#fury

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gentle badge
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im relying on it and feel like im missing dps

sullen dove
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current baze is a maybe

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tbh did look like that tank touched orb first

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assuming tank with marker on head

misty edge
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P1 as in the easiest part of the fight in the first 2 minutes?

slim coral
dapper goblet
sullen dove
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hey pal

misty edge
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You have no idea what you are talking about

dapper goblet
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gettem pookie

sullen dove
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baze knows all

sudden tusk
sullen dove
gaunt loom
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slayer fury good now?

sullen dove
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not really

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little better in m+

gaunt loom
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Noo

sullen dove
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little worse on st

gaunt loom
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no more thane

sullen dove
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only thane

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or arms if u wanna be real

slim coral
gaunt loom
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thane is lil boring to me

olive wraith
hot shell
gaunt loom
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Idunno

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miss slayer

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bladestorming is much fun

hot shell
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Play arms slayer then

indigo arch
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fury slayer becoming smoother tues also

gaunt loom
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yeah i do in m+

indigo arch
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no more manual rends

gaunt loom
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but i want to play in raid

indigo arch
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other class angle if numbers wanted in raid

hot shell
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Unsless youre in a world top 100 guild it doesnt really matter what you play in raid, play what u like.
The problem over time isnt your specc but the players

indigo arch
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til tuning remembers warr st

gaunt loom
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i play meta build all the time

hot shell
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Gotcha, so youre playing unholy dk

modest condor
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@balmy shore does 😠

gaunt loom
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I only play warrior thou

hot shell
olive wraith
stoic galleon
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Is there a cap to how many group members Berserker Shout removes fear?

modest condor
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not that i know

stoic galleon
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Used it on mythic chimaerus when a fear went off in intermission and only some where removed

modest condor
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it has a really small range tho

stoic galleon
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maybe its the range then

random shadow
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Its only 24 yards

modest condor
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that's with the increased range talent

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oh right you're always playing increased range

random shadow
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Ye. The group fear removal is the talent only

indigo arch
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.5 tuning makes me wonder if colo will shake anything up in raid

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Easier to hit more vorasius add or dragon orbs if no dk, etc

random shadow
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I highly doubt it

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A debatable maybe in mythic. But .5 is also turbo boost ans the already strong add nukers are gonna get even stronger

indigo totem
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But I don't think there's a cap beyond that.

indigo arch
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Yea I'm curious to see how colo does vs the usual suspects

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Gonna be slinging demos left and right

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Keywise that is

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Raid yes probably nada

undone flower
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So 4 ppl in raid

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Bc I use it on chimaerus and literally a dude on top of me doesn’t get dispell

tiny seal
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especially now with good gear and turbo boost adds will die in 0.1 seconds

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maximum 3 globals

surreal token
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How's puzzlebox on Bird?

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mythic

mental nexus
worn yoke
tiny seal
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yea our single target isnt the best either but atleast its honest damage

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and not delaying cds or something like that for adds to be even able to compete

unkempt oasis
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I would never ever pad

worn yoke
surreal token
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devourer does everything we do, but better keks

unkempt oasis
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Not at wearing plate

surreal token
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or at being cringe

worn yoke
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not at being the true gigachad class

fading sky
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its mediocre

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and we cant burst

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😄

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though it would prob be closer to arms, if u every boss went for 100% boss dmg but u dont as fury

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so also skews it a bit

hushed ocean
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i love the fact that they're changing a skill in the tree that no one take, in order to let you press more a button that none of the spec want to press

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  • nerfing slayer ST.
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lol

stiff maple
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what skill are you talking about

hushed ocean
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Hack and Slash has been redesigned – Rampage has 100% chance to refund a charge of Raging Blow.

worn yoke
# hushed ocean + nerfing slayer ST.

is it confirmed they are removing reap procs from bloodthirst? i couldnt find a final answer on this, or if they are just adding the new rampage interaction too. Outside of that what other ST nerfs are coming to one of the worst ST specs in the game already?

hushed ocean
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maybe they have some project of buffing rb by a significant amount....who knows

fluid grove
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That Mountain thane nerfs seem like a lot

hushed ocean
hushed ocean
fluid grove
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this isn't coming?

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hushed ocean
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nope

fluid grove
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oh lord thank ya

hushed ocean
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at this point i would appreciate a RB/Rampage spam in slayer

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like back in the days

tired bane
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Hello !
I saw some of you mentionned a light ST Slayer dmg loss in the next patch, i dont see how ?

olive wraith
tired bane
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Sorry, answered litterally 5 messages abovr

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Haha

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That sucks

hushed ocean
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reap will proc with SD procs and with rampage hitting at least 3 targets

olive wraith
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Ye so you lose bt procs

young swan
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and not even that

tired bane
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Whyyyyy tho

sudden tusk
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class is just balanced like ass

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when rend is a better button to press then raging blow actual lmao

stoic star
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Just saw the wowhead post showing all the statistics for Fury compared to the other classes in the 95th percentile. 💔

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Glad they reverted the M-Thane changes though.

crisp ether
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Class is on shit and they still nerfing it…

compact knot
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i dont even think that was a bad thing to target

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but they didnt buff anything else

tiny seal
compact knot
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spamming tclap is ass

stoic star
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yeah it is

tiny seal
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theres multipliers for multitarget abilitys

stoic star
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i always look over it with a *oh yeah fuck i have to hit that again at full rage even though i just used it to refresh rend"

tiny seal
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why dont they include something liek if ramp hits 1 target dmg is increased by x

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or anything like that

compact knot
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i hate

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HATE

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HATE

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talents like that

young swan
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think its lazy

compact knot
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yup

tiny seal
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ofc its lazy

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but stupdi aura buffs are lazy too 😄

compact knot
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thats pretty much just a aura buff on ST but in a talent

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we already pretty much push rampage whenever possible

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(ofc not totally true but)

mossy pelican
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They could have kept storm surge cooldown nerf and not touched damage and it probably would have been ok

sullen dove
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would have been ok if they buffed all our abilities by like 10% probably

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but uhhh just that by itself heck no

compact knot
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mountain thane as hero talent seems pretty poorly designed

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i hate burst of power and storm surge

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bottom 5 talents in the game

sullen dove
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bop is cool if it lets you use it

mossy pelican
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I mean brother we need a 10% buff just generally

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Like yeah nerfing cd would have been a small nerf but damage nerf was just needless

tiny seal
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Since they nuked fury in tww season 1 its never been the same sadge

mossy pelican
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But then we would have been rid of clappa spam

compact knot
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it was fine in s3

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and s2

tiny seal
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Except last season yea

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With reap spam

compact knot
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this spec has many many lazy talents

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more so then any other spec

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these 6 (8) are like trash

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"yooo while your enraged bloodthirst and raging blow do more damage"

young swan
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can include avatar

compact knot
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and its like 100% enrage uptime

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avatar has existed for forever so it kinda gets a pass

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but it should have been changed

young swan
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just shouldnt exist

compact knot
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bake it into reck idk

young swan
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should be a passive that enhances reck

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yeah

compact knot
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yup

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jinx

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CSHB atleast generates rage

young swan
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cshb is only actually interesting when it makes you care about critting

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which it hasnt since like

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nerubar

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being generous

sudden tusk
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its becuase our class is boring nothing

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they cant add anything because there is almost nothing to modify

frank harbor
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are arms better than fury in higher key ? i see arms goes up to 800k on pack when i hardly reach 400 in fury

sudden tusk
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+%dam talents yippie

compact knot
frank harbor
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shit 😢

compact knot
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i mean ive been saying it awhile and it happens every tier, they just add +%dam talents endlessly and recycle old ones

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noting is interesting

sudden tusk
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where tclap on sudden death

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WHERE IS IT

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MY BELOVED

compact knot
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that was a fun arms tier set

sudden tusk
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thats the issue any good tierset we get just doesnt get added

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dh got auto throw gailve from a tier set

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we have gained nothing

frank harbor
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no

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we gain a lot of tears

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to cry

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hmm is the arms stuff the same than fury ?

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masetry/ haster > crit

compact knot
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haste = crit > mastery >>>>> vers

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crit is slightly better for colossus and slayer likes haste slightly more then crit

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but you play both in m+ rn so haste = crit

frank harbor
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ok ty

fading sky
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lets make it simple

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Fury now Sims within 5-10% of Uhdks Sims

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fury would be really good in raid then

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imho at least

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tbh though same would go for arms

native wadi
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Warr id doomed

fading sky
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i mean its not doomed but its not a wonder why its rough in raid

native wadi
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Too masculine for world of lovecraft

fading sky
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when dk sims 125k

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and warrior sims 100k

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like its a 25% disp

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and yes sims are sims rl are rl

native wadi
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Man just look at your talent tree

fading sky
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i like my talent tree its fine

native wadi
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You have a dhield for 6k

fading sky
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but i dislike i dmg

native wadi
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In your hero talents

fading sky
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we have stance mastery its fucking cooked man

native wadi
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Do you think they check anything

compact knot
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arms might undersim or is just very very rng heavy

native wadi
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For this class

fading sky
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but it is also very behind uhdk in st

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my point is more i think our dmg profiles are actually very very good for this raid ( exept we are melee )

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we just arent outlier dmg

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like

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dno what else to say

compact knot
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fury profile is ass i think imo

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arms is solid though

frank harbor
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we do shit in st

fading sky
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y but thats not PROFILE

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thats just coz we are tuned like wetnoodle

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ideally ofc furys lack of DMG came from buffing our burst window imho

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so making BB and RB thingy stronger

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would be nice

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and as arms i just want ms + execute to fuck

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simple guy

worn yoke
tiny seal
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i think weve seen and heard enough boys.. lets close the discord we need buffs

hearty geyser
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furry giga chad in m+

tiny seal
fading sky
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that warrior in general need to do at least same ST as Rets

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like thats a given imho at least

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purely st

compact knot
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Don't think it needs to be same as ret

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But both specs are in a dire state of st rn

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Arms has bdk dps opener btw

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X d d

tiny seal
fading sky
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again

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talents mean less

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its the tuning

compact knot
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This is my opener on mythic midnight falls

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fading sky
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like

compact knot
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Is that 👍

fading sky
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they could just make warrior slap

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as arms u could just make Collosus top ST

tiny seal
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ofc they could

fading sky
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with MS doing a lot of dmg

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that would solve burst for arms

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for Fury they could really just let u fuck during reck

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like i dont know why they arent buffing that talent i LOVE that talent

tiny seal
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but i feel like they have no clue how they need to address the class in terms of balance warriorbrain

fading sky
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let BB + Rbs truck

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that way u just make furys profile a bit more spiky

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for the "last" 10k dps we need

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its more the stupid warrior andys that wants a flat dmg profile

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that fucks us

tiny seal
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i agree

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our cooldowns dont let us feel like they are meaningful rn

inland sparrow
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sad nerfs

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smoky vale
inland sparrow
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Interesting

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Got that info from here

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yeah opening the link, the nerf is back it seems

smoky vale
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i think archimtiros said soemthing about not editing someones misinput

odd agate
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pretty sure blizz just messed up the patch note

inland sparrow
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They just coulnd't help themselves

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really hope so damn

smoky vale
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read this thread on what he said about it

inland sparrow
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Thanks @smoky vale, less sad now lol

odd agate
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still sad, we are so damn average

inland sparrow
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will still play fury regardless of nerfs tho

sudden tusk
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most of these kinds of thing are pre written and go up on a schedule

edgy widget
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there are no nerfs

sudden tusk
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expect a full set of potential tuning notes on friday

edgy widget
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we have an updates channel for a reason - read it

sudden tusk
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friday is literally my potential man rn

inland sparrow
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Yeah, got it. Thanks!

odd agate
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Surely we get last second buffs right? copium

tranquil sentinel
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More ilvl

shut night
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Do we have to switch to arms due to the lack of single target dps? Any thoughts on warrior state after tuning?

surreal token
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man waiting for schrodinger's buffs

radiant plank
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@jaunty ridge GZ on the US First VotW+27

native wadi
fiery hare
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Somehow arms slayer does kinda okish st it felt like , in m+

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Colossus feels so annoying to play, like do u send stuff on cd regardless of anything or save atuff for avatar or hold avatar for stuff

fallen sorrel
shut night
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Rng then?

fallen sorrel
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I was doing beloren zerg yesterday and dps to egg varied 100k-170k depending on procssadge

solid tusk
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my guild would be hard inting if they put me on belo'ren as warry right?

radiant plank
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yesno

tired bane
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Noyes

fiery hare
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Spine of deafwing all over again

hallow helm
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Rets do it all the time

native wadi
ashen geyser
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We're not bad players

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So no closing

icy topaz
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Truth has been spoken

hallow helm
river loom
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we need some buffs

dense elbow
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Fury is atm just fine, we can do all the content (just not optimal for HoF prog) and we aint shackles for the team in m+

Buffs would be neat, not needed

Do I say we should not get a buff? No, I want to see some more power into our burst AoE and ST (sustained AoE is fine and strong)

unreal onyx
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Fury dead

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Arms dead

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Time to main prot

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||paladin||

mossy pelican
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Somehow I think something about this isn’t fine

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willow cradle
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Raid I'll goes up

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Adds die quicker

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Less pad

mossy pelican
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Oh i hadn’t realized

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Yeah man

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And we aren’t the ones doing it

white nest
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Gotta join a pug of stinkers for those pad parses after the first few weeks.

trail bane
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Kind of the same as it feels playing a dps warrior this tier.

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It simply isnt true that "fury is fine". Unless fine means that every spec is always fine.

willow cradle
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I feel like we're pretty far behind on ST

trail bane
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We are

willow cradle
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Us and Enhance really

rich palm
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So i should be killing dragons Monday, would i be trolling my raid not playing arms?

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on paladins ofc

trail bane
willow cradle
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They could easily buff RB and it wouldn't even impact AoE by much

trail bane
rich palm
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I hate it, but I can play it.

trail bane
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Arms is one of the best specs on paladins

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Fury is middle of the pack at best

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I did however notice that you will probably cry your eyes out even as an arms warrior on that fight if your guild decides to do some criminal anti-melee strat.

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And at that point it probably doesnt matter what spec you play :D

regal marten
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They are really going with the 40% dmg decrease on TC

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Wth is this

kind crystal
regal marten
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Well

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This was posted 16h ago

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And if you scroll down it's still there

sage ridge
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It's not

regal marten
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Unless they forgot to take it out

sage ridge
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They aren't doing that

regal marten
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Alr then maybe I can still push resi 19 with thane

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Ty guys <3

valid pulsar
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hey, i use jundies platynator profile and sometimes especially on bigger pulls nameplates overlap and i can not see an important cast properly. Does anyone know how i can fix this or is this a blizzard issue and not something that can be fixed by the addon or by a setting ?

honest trail
toxic plank
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hi what to choose? looking on top 50 on murlok only 3 of them plays puzzle if i choose ring i will get set from it

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native wadi
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I would take ring tbh

honest trail
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Ring

native wadi
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Dont care how box sims

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Just a padding tool no real value

valid pulsar
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cool

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love it

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i never had this issue prior to prepatch so

wheat kindle
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Look in the addon settings there will be something in there

kind bolt
dense elbow
trail bane
# kind bolt whats an anti melee stra?

Bringing the bosses apart when you dont have to so you cant cleave. Running around a lot during the hammers so melee cant focus on dpsing and instead has to focus on dodging hammers. Small stuff that adds up during a 7 min fight.

trail bane
remote notch
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hey, i'm not really sure of the impact of the next patch on dps. It's a big buff to arms and a slight buff to fury ?

valid pulsar
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îs it possible to make the border of the nameplate glow or highlight it in some way when in execute range or <35%?

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or is this something that is not possible due to blizzards restrictions

frank rover
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what do people use for raid frames and hp bar for ui

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i would ask the guild but they keep flaming mine

burnt oxide
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default one is enough for dps imo

dense elbow
# trail bane I would argue that Fury is in its worst state in a long time. And again, all sp...

I will politely say you didnt play SL, nor TWWs1, if you spout that

You also had moments in DF where Fury was so bad, that you were actively trolling your M+ team bringing it, even for not top-end keys, just in general. Being 20% behind on overall.

We are currently performing up to top-end standards in M+ and PvP, we are only lacking in one aspect: Boss dam in raid

We are more than fine

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Your argument is likely a "if we aint #1, we are noone" perspective, I simply dont agree to that line of thought. It simply doesnt work in WoW.

I care more about being able to keep up and not feel like a clear handicap. Currently, we aint.

tiny seal
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calm down

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this is noot good but back then people got laughed at for playing fury especially sl s1

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tww s1 we got nuked into oblivion tho

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because they designed fights perfect for fury and wondered why fury did hella dmg

hearty geyser
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furry pumping 16 caverns

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dense elbow
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Worst part, raid aside, we were already behind in TWWs1 launch M+

sour anvil
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hi, can anyone clarify how Opportunist works for Slayer? wtf is the stacking if you would cast RB in order to reset it

dense elbow
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RB resets itself

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so when it does, your next RB does more dam

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simple as that

sour anvil
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yes, but how the stacking works?

dense elbow
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(use the BT mod talent tho)

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wdum

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RB got two stacks

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well, charges

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Or do you mean as a dam mod%?

sour anvil
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it says it stacks up to 2 times (the dam mod)

dense elbow
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Oppertunist? Dont remember that, but it does simply increase your dam of your next cast of RB

sour anvil
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is fury slayer nowadays also prioritizing BT since you mentioned the other - BT - talent

dense elbow
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Yeap, you take the 20% dam amp for BT over oppertunist atm

safe orbit
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So blizz nerf Thana fury but buff unholy dk. Nice tunning Rampage

sour anvil
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https://www.wowhead.com/spell=444774/opportunist

Wowhead
Opportunist

ArmsWhen Overpower has its cooldown reset by Tactician, your next Overpower deals 10% additional damage and 10% additional critical damage. Stacking up to 2 times. FuryWhen Raging Blow resets its own cooldown, your next Raging Blow deals 10% additional damage and 10% additional critical damage. Stacking up to 2 times.

dense elbow
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Oh, for arms

torn oriole
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So… Slayer is our best HT now guys? 😁

dense elbow
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Wait, huh

trail bane
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I have played warrior since the start of Legion. Yes we were bad in SL season 1 and TWW season 1. I didnt say we havnt been bad. But this season is the first time ever where i feel my guild would probably do better with me on the bench.

World first Ansurek: 2 fury warriors
World first Silken Court: 2 arms warriors

World first Denathrius: 1 arms warrior (with also a prot warrior)
World first Stone Legion Generals: 1 arms warrior (with also a prot warrior)

This tier we had 0 dps warriors for the last 2 bosses because we are so bad that its better to just get BS from a tank and skip our dps. That hasnt happend for as long as i can remember.

dense elbow
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Well, RB can only resets its own CD once a cast, so it doesnt matter - WoWhead seems a tad scuffed

torn oriole
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Love the fact that we will don’t need to press Rend anymore

sour anvil
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Is it possible that HnSlash counts also as an RB reset towards this talent?

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Otherwise the stacking doesn't make sense

dense elbow
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You are arguing against yourself at this point, Hård

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I agreed about ST raid DPS

trail bane
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Sure, i just dont understand how anyone can say we are fine :d

dense elbow
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because we are

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in all but 1 scenario

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a very non-issue scenario, if you aint in the top 0.01%

trail bane
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Then suddenly im not arguing against myself. Because agian, if we are fine now then no class has ever been not fine.

dense elbow
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I dont even

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you are looping in on yourself

trail bane
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Even when survival was the most dogshit it has ever been, people could get CE and push high keys with survival.

dense elbow
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I cant change your tone nor mind

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So doom away, but just know - facts point at: we are fine

trail bane
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That doesnt mean survival when it was the most dogshit it has ever been, was fine.

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Its not dooming, its just actually describing reality instead of living in some fairytale world where class balance can never be problematic because its always possible to carry 1 bad class in all the content.

dense elbow
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You saying Fury is carried in M+?

trail bane
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Yes

dense elbow
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Ohoho

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we so done here

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have fun mate with your delusions

torn oriole
trail bane
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Why not tag Farover instead?

dense elbow
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He plays arms atm, no?

trail bane
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He does

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I wonder why

dense elbow
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that would be why you dont tag him

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are you daft?

trail bane
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Maybe hes playing arms because hes not a fury onetrick who would still play fury even if it made his eyes bleed?

dense elbow
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You are so trying to twist your own reality so hard atm, that soon you will be squeezing out unicorns into reality

undone flower
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Hard ? Did you prog araz ?

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As fury ?

trail bane
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Yea no your're right. Reality is that fuy is fine. Doing 40% less dmg to bosses in raids while also being shit at killing adds is fine because Noxiv is doing 20s as fury.

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Yes

dense elbow
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His performance is also fine atm, he aint behind

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This aint the other cases

dense elbow
undone flower
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#fury message
ive only read this, kinda weird he didn’t feel the same on manaforge bosses

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So I was just curious

trail bane
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What should i have felt on manaforge bosses?

undone flower
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Like your guild would have been better with you on the bench ?

fleet moon
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Hey guys, I'm a healer doing 18s and have a question about Enraged regen talent. Apparently you guys aren't playing it anymore in high keys because you have spell reflect, warpaint, defensive stance etc, is this true? Can some top ranked fury warrior speak to me about it please cos it affects how i feel about warriors in my group going forward 🙂

dense elbow
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we bring it

trail bane
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The reason i didnt mention Manaforge is because nobody said we were bad during it, you only mentioned SL and TWW season 1.

But no i didnt feel bad about playing fury during manaforge because while we didnt get brought for RWF it wasnt because we were horrible. It was simply because we didnt fit the comp. Even if the dps profile on a boss didnt fit me well, i could still do enough damage to the boss where i wasnt closer to the tank than the top.

fleet moon
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I mean, is any dps warrior ever going to go into defensive stance in high keys

dense elbow
#

if needed

trail bane
undone flower
#

In 17s i stance dance and I take ER

dense elbow
#

I stance dance and use ER in a +0

fleet moon
tiny seal
#

easily

radiant plank
#

Dstance + warpaint goes crazy

trail bane
undone flower
#

Yes but in highest keys if you don’t drop that massacre for ER monkahmm

trail bane
#

Since the guide isnt really for pushing +18s, its more a guide for the average joe.

fleet moon
#

ok so for 18s, if the question is SHOULD they be playing it, the answer is no

tiny seal
#

correct

undone flower
#

I would say yes imo

trail bane
#

I spec into enraged regen when i do any push keys

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Because the limiting factor isnt dps, its survival.

fleet moon
#

I'm happy for them to not take it as long as they are good with def stance and reflecting

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what's the 30% dmg reduction you have?

dense elbow
#

That would be ER

undone flower
#

ER

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Enraged Regeneration

fleet moon
#

do defensive stance and spell reflect come to 30% anyway?

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dmg reduction i mean

undone flower
#

It does not work like that

fleet moon
#

oh ojk

undone flower
#

It’s not additive

fleet moon
#

ok

dense elbow
#

If a warrior dont bring ER, I would skip em personally, if we talking PuGs

undone flower
#

ER is better than SR+ def stance but you survive without it for quite some key lvl

dense elbow
#

not bringing ER to a PuG enviroment sounds stupid AF

fleet moon
#

Hmmmm true

trail bane
#

A hit dealing 100 dmg would be reduced by 10% from warpaint, then if its magic damage it would be reduced by another 20% from spell reflect and if in defensive stance its yet another 15%.

So 100 * 0.9 * 0.8 * 0.85 = 61.2 , or 38.8% reduction.

fading sky
#

which is why layering is so good no ?

undone flower
#

Yes, fury should start thinking to take ER in 18s, massacre is not that big

dense elbow
#

Happy, what if Slayer tho sadge

undone flower
#

massacre being the talent we drop for it

potent elm
#

Does anyone have tldr for 12.0.5 fury tuning?

dense elbow
#

(answer is remove the WW dam boost talent)

trail bane
fleet moon
#

THanks for the info guys

potent elm
trail bane
#

Slayer is basically the same on single target. Thane is basically the same on multi target.

pearl lance
dense elbow
# potent elm Does anyone have tldr for 12.0.5 fury tuning?

Slayer:
BS dam is less RNG, no longer can high roll, no longer can low roll. It got buffed 20% up, to make up for that.

Reap now comes from Ramp, instead of BT, and only on 3t, so a bit more dam during Reck window, about the same on rotational. We did lose a bit of ST potential, that hasnt been really made up for yet (BT ST no longer reaping)

WW now applies rend, you still keep rend bind for ST press over RB to reapply.

TLDR: Nothing really changes, tho you wont throw your computer out of the window when BS wiffs.

scarlet yacht
#

With this u think guys slayer will come on top for m+

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esp with big m+ pulls and procing of reap

dense elbow
#

Nop, BS would need to get some solid buffs for that to happen

scarlet yacht
#

Reap was uncapped right?

tiny cove
#

Guys i have a question now that we have 2 spark should we craft a second myth weapon?

dense elbow
#

Reap didnt change, only the condition to reap

scarlet yacht
scarlet yacht
undone flower
#

Reap is soft cap

dense elbow
#

Always been softcapped, reduced at 8

scarlet yacht
#

I would craft a low item u have

scarlet yacht
dense elbow
#

Sure, you can think of it like that

scarlet yacht
#

Cuz at murloc im seeing more slayer now

dense elbow
#

Slayer is just fun

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so ppl play it

undone flower
#

Slayer arms okayge

scarlet yacht
#

Arms is big dmg but i just dont enjoy it

#

Isk

dense elbow
#

Slayer arms would fill the lists too, but we talking fury here tho

undone flower
#

I did couple keys, it might be my favorite warrior spec gameplay wise for m+

scarlet yacht
#

Slayer arms?

undone flower
#

Yep

scarlet yacht
#

U need shammy buff tho right?

undone flower
#

Idk I’m noob at arms I just did few keys / progging paladins as Col arms

#

I did like 5-10 keys as slarms, it is very fun, it is close enough to fury slayer, which I prefer for fury

scarlet yacht
#

Ah i see idk i wnaa try it but thing is

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Atats r not optimiEd

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For arms

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I barely have any crit

undone flower
#

I wear ring sets, pit neck, catalysted a belt and boots

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To plays arms

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You are free to catalyst anything

#

The rest of gear is my fury gear

scarlet yacht
#

Guess il try the slayer part

#

I didnt like colosus

undone flower
#

I don’t, my fun chart currently : slarms> fury thane > fury slayer > col arms

#

Rend kills a lot of fury slayer vibe while not as arms smh

rare garnet
#

Just don’t press rend. Ez.

remote pulsar
#

Dunno if people already talked about it

still silo
#

have they just gutted warrior again in the latest patch notes?

remote pulsar
#

But nerf is still coming to thane?

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snow edge
remote pulsar
#

Thought they were going to revert it

#

Tyty

brittle glacier
#

man feels bad, given all slayers dmg is thane padding on adds

still silo
#

is this the return of slayer in raids? or you reckon thane will still be better?

brittle glacier
#

prob slayer, wont fix the boss dmg issue though

still silo
#

yeah, our incredibly low ST

undone flower
#

rn the only boss I play slayer is vorasius

brittle glacier
#

yep, im honestly thinking of switching to arms, pad is not that important given adds get nuked moment they spawn

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not sure if the numbers arent inflated due to paladins and drakes though

still silo
sharp epoch
#

yo is there a collection of useful stuff we can do in high tier keys? for example shadowmeld things and stuff.. I am asking cuz i have not found a single mechanic yet where our berserker shout or avatar helps us to remove stuff like nexus point xenas rings or shackles in seat (i know these are meld able for example)

snow edge
#

There are multiple snares in dungeons this season

undone flower
#

You can spell reflect many channels or scary dots

sharp epoch
#

found most of them are magic and cant be removed by berserker shout.. Magisters terrace

sharp epoch
brave thorn
#

Can reflect death bolt in pit

undone flower
#

Pit of saron you can dispel yourself the frost dot with berserker shout

sharp epoch
viral folio
#

is it time to give up on fury and just go arms as a mythic raider? My group runs all meta classes and what they have done to the spec is just a joke. Can't parse unless you play to pad and what rl's look at boss damage. Might as well be a hunter.

sharp epoch
brave thorn
#

Add “reflecting don’t kick” ez to your macro

undone flower
#

The adds one and boss one yes

brittle glacier
#

wondering about the swtich too

sharp epoch
undone flower
#

Last mobs of seat you can spell reflect the channels

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The last boss of algethar ofc

viral folio
brittle glacier
brave thorn
#

This has to be the worst tier in the past 3 expansions with amount of padding in raid affecting your parse.

tardy lark
#

arms has been largely the same since DF s1

brittle glacier
#

yeah but it got progressively worse and worse at st i feel like, last time it was viable was in undermine tier

tardy lark
#

2 tiers of being sort of bad isnt unheard of though

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its just a compounding effect of prot war being a good tank spec for a while now coupled with dps warrior not really having a niche anymore

undone flower
#

And you only need tank grabs 2 mobs to have good boss dmg

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Or play slayer arms

viral folio
#

fury had boss damage last tier which was better than what it has now.

undone flower
#

Last 2 tiers*

viral folio
#

i rather be capped at 5 and 8 than be a left at the bottom and arms not being much better in st.

tardy lark
#

If we still had the "delete adds" niche, there'd be a reason to bring us to a lot of fights, but that has been neutered and taken by hunters while they still do good ST

#

arms being the goat of 2 target cleave hasnt been true for forever now

undone flower
#

Smh it’s 3 target goat

viral folio
#

our class on cosmos is terrible.

bitter palm
warm crag
viral folio
#

beloran

bitter palm
#

damage profile doesn't align

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in the slightest

viral folio
#

whatever they did in the midnight beta fury was for the worse not better.

#

maybe in terms of mythic plus it is better but not from a raiders perspective.

tardy lark
#

only fight i remember execute blasting was where 2 target execute was useable

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the second left side boss in abberus and to some degree sarkareth

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but that felt mostly like it was a farm thing

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my viewpoint of this is also just giga skewed i guess. Relevant part of tiers for me are the first month. If my class isnt saved by week 2 or 3, its gg

viral folio
#

out of the 4 hardest fights this tier we are viable for one fight.

bitter palm
#

ye like 10.0.5 arms was probably way ahead of every other spec in exe

tardy lark
#

are there 4 hard fights this tier

bitter palm
#

but tbh the entirety of df

brittle glacier
#

belo, lura, cosmos, paladins

bitter palm
#

arms was bad early

tardy lark
#

a 25 pull boss isnt hard though

tardy lark
bitter palm
#

lura and cosmos seem like the only 2 hard fights

tardy lark
#

beloren is hard but its mainly the coordination of it

#

dps check is meh now

viral folio
#

beloran isn't a pushover.

tardy lark
#

there are a lot of jobs on beloren

brittle glacier
#

im talking mythic version, not HC

tardy lark
#

i am also talking mythic

viral folio
#

but that just more makes my point the final 3 bosses and warrior isn't good for any?

brittle glacier
undone flower
brittle glacier
#

you would rather have another unholy

bitter palm
#

will see how it goes for kha

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as arms on lura

tardy lark
#

did he actually gaslight vodka

#

thats impressive

brittle glacier
#

you only need one to buff your huners anyway

bitter palm
#

his tank doesn't wanna play pwar

tardy lark
#

i fucking wish man

#

both my tanks are meta slaves (justifiably so)

bitter palm
#

man idk arms isnt bad from what ive seen

#

from his stream

undone flower
#

Brew and bdk so I’m purpleface

tardy lark
#

in general arms isnt bad, its just not better than anything

#

if you have a pwar, there is 0 reason not to have another hunter/dk/dh and so on

radiant plank
#

arms isnt bad

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everything is just better

#

ofc waiting to see what his p3 will look like

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:))

bitter palm
#

arms wouldve owned

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if it wasnt simming 30k less

tardy lark
#

you can macro ddh so its straight up 2 button dps rotation and it does so much damage and is so tanky

viral folio
#

i haven't seen a dps warrior clear m lura either

bitter palm
#

soon u will

tardy lark
#

i dont think one has yet

undone flower
#

Poptart is playing dps warrior no ?

tardy lark
#

vodka prolly will this reset or early next

bitter palm
#

kha mogs the boss in p3

radiant plank
#

useless for 75% of the fight

undone flower
tardy lark
#

ayo poptart actually did what i suggested my guild do

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double bdk for p1 consistency

viral folio
#

we have 1 dps warrior and 1 prot, the prot war is also our bdk. so that is my only chance.

bitter palm
#

vodka was kinda owning p1

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very few wipes

#

mmm weakaura to solve memory game

#

weakauras removed btw

tardy lark
#

we've had WAs for vanguard, crown, beloren and lura lol

summer quail
bitter palm
tender seal
#

Truly wild to join a new guild specifically as a DPS warrior onetrick, and this is the first tier with them gg. Probably going to have been benched for Alleria, Egg & L'ura.

native wadi
#

Yup we started progress of Alleria

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(Benched)

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Will be for sure benched in egg as well

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And hopefully by l ura we got buffed

chilly fractal
#

#bench

native wadi
#

I did 99 yesterday in L ura

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I was 13th

chilly fractal
#

Hold on

native wadi
#

(Hc)

chilly fractal
#

We got a good picture for this already made from Sanctum

bitter palm
#

holy goated times

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arms ownage

mild thunder
#

Hah. Fury was cheeks in Shadowlands.

native wadi
tardy lark
#

fury was decent in SoD and the best warrior spec in sepulcher

iron portal
tardy lark
#

some changes came in and made arms good

iron portal
#

Sepulcher pre nerfed NEcro Fury

tardy lark
#

at least good enough to where i played it on jailer progress

iron portal
#

mmmmmmmm

tardy lark
#

yeah mulwarri and i played fury on every boss except jailer at least

bitter palm
#

sod arms

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...

tardy lark
#

I've never had so free 99th and 100s in a tier

#

just loot wep from vault week 1 and 3 set start of tier

jaunty ridge
flat river
fading sky
#

Only arms is not up there often🤣

blissful marten
#

I just dont get it lol. So in a +15 alg key on first pull as fury, I max out around 470k dps. I watch other warriors as fury (and now arms especially) hit almost 700k with same ilvl and around same stats. Our rotations are virtually the exact same. What am I missing lol

burnt oxide
#

Did you pot, is his statspread better, better gear in general

#

There are alot of factors, which we cannot grasp without any wider context

blissful marten
#

Yep I have rune / flask / oil / food buffs and I combat pot on the pull plus pop puzzle box since I dont have alnseer yet

jovial dagger
#

what comp u had vs what comps other wars had etc also matters

fading sky
#

And how mobs are pulled

burnt oxide
#

Tbh a log would be best suited

blissful marten
#

Ya I mean like a sham gives 2% mas buff but it still doesnt explain a 230k dps diff lol

#

See like here, that first pull im pretty much at 450k, I just do not see how guys are hiting around 700k lol

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balmy shore
thorny basin
radiant plank
balmy shore
#

we killed crown last night

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supple glen
undone zinc
#

that reap the storm change is a nerf for slayer ST right?

#

gz for the kill

balmy shore
supple glen
#

tonight i might stay around to finally get crown in a pug

#

gz to mythic kill

jovial dagger
fading sky
#

Buff

undone zinc
clever stone
#

hey guys did quick sims on raidbuffs for warrior in ST, these are with 0 raid buffs on except the one listed

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supple glen
#

is there any comment why they kick the bottom class even more

fiery tide
#

we pad too hard

supple glen
#

or just common warrior hate based on a lack of creativity about what to do with the class

dense elbow
supple glen
#

okay so blizzard takes the role of wcl idiots asking to remove useless adds everybody knows are useless so their shit class looks better on the meter?

drowsy heron
#

blizzard just hates warriors

granite trout
#

My sim is always telling me to keep this crucible of erratic energies at champ 6/6 lol it feels like that can't be right. Also, it says to replace my oozing vestige with this new puzzle box for a gain of 583dps. Is that really worth needing to deal with the cast time every 2 minutes?

vague stump
#

I am playing hero plume over myth puzzle

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it ligns up so bad I end up having to hold cds or not get as many uses of puzzle

spare steppe
vague stump
#

BS best

granite trout
#

That's my worry with using it for sure

vague stump
#

battleshout*

fickle cedar
graceful mural
#

Grey parsed Alleria last night

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Was just playing so bad

#

Overdoing mechs

spare steppe
vague stump
graceful mural
#

I mean, uh, yay AOTC clueless

spare steppe
#

Kinda wild it has less kills than mythic dragons

graceful mural
#

I think some of this is probably on the rest of the group and I’m not adjusting properly but it feels like I have pixels to stand on for the entirety of P1 and P2

drowsy heron
#

real zugzugers hate puzzle box

bitter palm
#

real humans hate puzzle box

coarse nest
#

Myth puzzle box week 1 was such a mistake

vague stump
#

what has less kills than myth dragons?

#

hero alleria?

clever stone
vague stump
#

tbh I have myth puzzle and I do play it in 2 keys

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seat and npx

#

outside of that tho shits in my bag doing nothing

#

just dmg amp phases seem good w puzzle

feral acorn
#

which keys we play Ruin ?

vague stump
#

none

#

its too much of a prio target nerf to be useful

unborn dome
#

Can someone tell me if I should be sad or not for 12.0.5?

modest condor
#

no st buffs so sure go ahead

unborn dome
supple glen
fickle cedar
#

we're last on damage to bosses deadge

granite trout
#

I'm going to give it a go and see how much i hate it or don't

supple glen
#

yeah true, fuck puzzle box actually, theres no point hating my life for that outcome

#

id still not want to do dungeons without it

#

so i dont look as bad on the big packs with hunters and paladins and all the actual classes

echo rapids
fickle cedar
#

no they probably mean heroic lura

echo rapids
#

Ahh yeah I was gonna say

#

Release a heroic raid after people are onto mythic, without a bunch of must have loot, no wonder

spare steppe
#

Yeah heroic Lura

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And true, plus it having individual responsibility

rare garnet
#

I don’t like this raid release schedule.

abstract tulip
#

so are the 2k rep costs normal

haughty carbon
#

Hello, fury change look's very cool, Slayer gonna be playable in high key mm+ ?

rare garnet
#

What do you consider high keys

haughty carbon
#

18-20

bitter palm
#

yes

#

but not optimal

smoky vale
#

its just less damage than thane by a lot

bitter palm
#

which is a lot less damage than slayer

#

arms

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which is a lot less damage than colo arms

smoky vale
#

but play what you liike

rare garnet
#

There are some 18-19 slayer logs already. So I imagine you can play slayer especially when we see ilevel increases.

haughty carbon
#

Ok, playin arms to push, but arms can be cringe when tank dont play for u..

rare garnet
#

Can’t you just play slayer arms then

bitter palm
#

i mean if u want to push u should find people to play with

hardy shuttle
#

Thane and slarms are probably very comparable. Slayer just more prio, thane more pad

bitter palm
#

slarms more everything

#

except defensives

#

but i was living just fine in 19s doing 20s today or tomorrow

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as slarsm

hardy shuttle
#

I actually feel tankier as arms against anything but rot. Way easier to take OP dstance

bitter palm
#

i mean as thane i think u drop executioners wrath for er and same as arms for stance mastery

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javelineer and crushing force

#

for resonant voice and stance mastery

#

@smoky vale i saw some guy drop barbaric

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as arms

rare garnet
bitter palm
#

more criminal than sitting in dstance all key

haughty carbon
#

Understanding what u say, asking the question bcz arms's fun but for me, is more fun to play fury in my personal opinion

bitter palm
#

both do nothing

#

at least slam can proc tactician

#

ig rb generates rage

dry hawk
#

Remove slam and give back the legion 30% damage to MS button off global Rampage Arms

rare garnet
dry hawk
#

Just bring back MoP or Legion class design KEKW

bitter palm
#

u do cleave over slam right now

#

but its gone in .5

smoky vale
rare garnet
#

Nooooo cleave getting attacked without reason

smoky vale
#

is that cleave damage?

wheat kindle
#

Can you catalyst crafted gear

bitter palm
#

no

vast gorge
#

Should we use the voidcore on our 285 crafted weapon on Tuesday?

sage ridge
#

I don't know exactly how often you get them but I'd save it for a myth weapon that isn't crafted

vast gorge
#

You can upgrade a 285 to 298

random shadow
#

isnt crafted gonna be reduced level like the normal crafted is tho ?

#

so like 295 or somethign

sage ridge
#

I think so

vast gorge
#

yeah its 295 or 298, i cant remember

random shadow
#

well consiering 298 is what a 6/6 myth weapon would be ima assume 295

kind bison
#

ye im curious if they want crafted stuff to be the same as raw M drops as a catchup mech

vast gorge
#

i believe so but i'll wait til tuesday to find out

kind bison
#

ye wonder if anyone will peep on PTR

random shadow
#

ill probably send it on to my myth weapon first anyways

#

they drop from all content, not sure on drop rates tho

#

can just do 4 quick bountiful devles on tuseday to determine

vast gorge
#

Decimus will offer Nebulous Voidcores to the player in exchange for a choice of valuable resources including gold, Voidlight Marl, and Veteran Dawncrests. The total number of Nebulous Voidcores available to a character increases by two every week for the remainder of the season. Due to the smaller loot pools and the exceptional power of raid items, these rewards will require two Nebulous Voidcores upon defeating a raid boss. Other endgame content, such as Mythic+, will cost only one.

random shadow
#

thats the bonus rolls

remote drift
#

Do we just not even use whirlwind in aoe as thane?

random shadow
remote drift
#

Lame

random shadow
#

clap/blast does what whirlwind does

vast gorge
#

i see, i was thinking they were the same thing. so the ascendant are like manaflux

remote drift
#

Wait they give your abilities cleave for 4 hits?

random shadow
#

with the one talent yes

remote drift
#

Oh shit I gotta look again

vast gorge
#

i use ww if im out of range and moving

random shadow
#

i like the option to just buy the bonus rolls for gold or crests

#

and having the ascendant being drops from content is fine

#

considering we only have 4 slots to use those in anyways

remote drift
random shadow
#

yes

remote drift
#

Does it just not say it on the tooltip

vast gorge
#

i think i will use ascendant on my crafted weapon and mythic gaze trinket first

random shadow
#

ill use them on my weapons first since theyre the highest amount of stats, then whenever i get a myth gaze and/or heart ill uyse it after

#

but i think we'll get a bunch of them by doing content anyways so ill just upgrade all trinkets anyways

vast gorge
#

you could use on heroic trinkets in the mean time for a small damage boost

random shadow
#

we'll see on tuseday, my weapons are getting it first no matter what anyways, so thats 2 just on weapons

vast gorge
#

hopefully sims are updated on tuesday to account for the voidcore upgrades

spare steppe
#

It’ll be fun deciding between crafted and mythic weapon

vast gorge
#

do you have a mythic weapon?

random shadow
#

Almost alaays myrh weapon

spare steppe
#

I do! Most likely the myth weapon sims better

random shadow
#

Its just more stats from being higher ilevel then crafted assuming the crafted ilevel penalty is there

spare steppe
#

I do hope that it applies to the type and not just the item but I doubt it

candid falcon
#

i wonder how the currently useless talent that makes rampage hit more targets in AOE will interact with slayer's upcoming reap change

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it would be really funny if it was either gigabroken in aoe or just flat out didnt work

brave idol
#

Can someone tell me why bladestorm hits like a wet noodle for Single Target slayer? I sim my character and it says it should be doing my second most dps and I use it off CD but it basically does nothing

bitter palm
#

it counts unhinged

uneven plaza
bitter palm
#

as bladestorm damage

brave idol
#

Thanks a lot I will look into it

candid falcon
random shadow
drowsy heron
#

Wouldn't be surprised if it didn't work properly

random shadow
#

Plus doesnt rampage couldn't hit 5 targets anyways with IW

candid falcon
#

I'd bet it wouldn't work at all, but i would really want it to work like current reap where it does count every BT target

random shadow
#

Does it currently?

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I never really noticed. Dont think it does tho

candid falcon
#

Hang on does it? It did in TWW

random shadow
#

Cause surely im not that unlucky on 5 targets at 15% chance

#

I dont see my self spin more then once or twice after a cast

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Test it rq go wack 5 training dummies

candid falcon
#

I might be spreading old information ngl

random shadow
#

I would test if I was home

candid falcon
#

i'm not home either 😭

random shadow
#

Ggs go next

candid falcon
#

Anyway at one point it did, and even if it doesn't why would you not cleave your abilities in aoe

#

so doesnt change how you play

#

but it would be interesting for rampaging ruin to actually get a niche use instead of being straight buns

random shadow
#

Nah you would anyways. It would just be a lot stronger if all 5 proc

#

Think yoy might be thinking of last season eith the tier set change

candid falcon
#

god I miss last season

#

the power of the spin

merry jetty
#

Is there a tldr for buffs/nerfs coming in 12.0.5?

candid falcon
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Slayer buffed

random shadow
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Look at upfafe channel

olive wraith
undone quartz
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any ideas on if there is any changes to the build for Slayer M+ with the changes?

oblique thistle
candid falcon
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That is how they'd do it

olive wraith
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Not probably. I am right lol

river rose
bitter palm
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arms buff too

oblique thistle
olive wraith
candid falcon
river rose
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The 2 > 5 Seconds is a massiv up ? ok I wasnt sure

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Never played arms

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Nice then

stiff maple
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Has it not always worked per cast?

olive wraith
olive wraith
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And then s3 tier was per target

undone quartz
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i loved 5 target guaranteed reaps

oblique thistle
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Bt reap has and always was per cast not per target
The reason the tier set was so good is because rb reap was per target not per cast

olive wraith
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Bt reap was per target in tww

candid falcon
oblique thistle
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Im almost certain it was not

olive wraith
frank dawn
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BT reap was per target in TWW

candid falcon
olive wraith
candid falcon
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Good to know

verbal sluice
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wait so is mountain thane nerf going through i looked at the patch before and the changes were crossed out but now it shows it again in the 12.0.5 patch

oblique thistle
random shadow
verbal sluice
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I see that

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but the updated patch shows it back in

random shadow
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Read what mr archi said

oblique thistle
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Archi in the update says he confirmed that it has been removed

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You can trust archi

remote drift
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So with the changes is thane still going to be better for keys? Or is slayer going to become better

drowsy heron
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hoping the Slayer Fury buffs means i can stop playing Thane for a while

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need that slayer gameplay

smoky vale
olive wraith
drowsy heron
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I would think they would be closer again, I know Slayer was doing decent even before these changes

remote drift
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Also, how much better is it? Is it close or in aoe does thane just do way better? I played slayer last season and I think I liked it more

verbal sluice
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i think slayer takes the lead

olive wraith
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Slayer only gains a little aoe

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The burst is better though

spare steppe
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Moral question for yall; if you have a trial who failed to meet requirements for 2 weeks without explanation, should they be surprised their trial has ended?

drowsy heron
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Slayer = Burst AoE, Thane = Susatain AoE

remote drift
drowsy heron
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Slayer probably better for lower keys

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cause the ST is better still right?

verbal sluice
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not having to cast rend at all is a huge dif

remote drift
olive wraith
remote drift
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According to the patch notes

verbal sluice
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exactly

spare steppe
drowsy heron
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yea taking rend off my bar forever lol

remote drift
verbal sluice
remote drift
drowsy heron
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according to Archon Slayer is only like 1-2% behind Thane in most keys, so i would think it would be better after changes

verbal sluice
spare steppe
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Appreciate the sanity check, felt like I was going insane

olive wraith
remote drift
spare steppe
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We normally push to the penultimate mythic boss

remote drift
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Dude just wanted to flex his use of penultimate

verbal sluice
spare steppe
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Consistently for the past couple expansions, haven’t been further 🙁

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They keep changing how many bosses!

drowsy heron
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Waiting for mythic lockout removal so plugging mythic is more viable

remote drift
olive wraith
spare steppe
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All g I just wish I could say 6/8 consistently

olive wraith
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I guess 5% reap chance increase. But that’s not a lot overall

remote drift
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Also no hate but maybe make your trial requirements a little more stringent?

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One 10 a week is pretty lax

jade fable
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hey guys. im new to wow. i just have a question. Im play warrior in tbc and trying to go for a fury build. im just confused as to what talents i should have rn and what kind of gear i should have. any help would work thank you

spare steppe
remote drift
spare steppe
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But they argue that if we aren’t CE it’s not hardcore and not needed to be as strict

remote drift
spare steppe
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Nah we maintain ~25

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Yup

unkempt oasis
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You should look to get everyone on the same page effort wise. Otherwise you create friction.

charred radish
remote drift
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Sorry btw didn't mean to derail* the convo to raid requirements lol I don't even raid

spare steppe
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Behind in crests/ilvl and just not a great player so we were surprised he is surprised

remote drift
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What spec?

olive wraith
spare steppe
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Just needed to ask outside of the discord for external perspective. He’s a ret pally

charred radish
unkempt oasis
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Ret..

spare steppe
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Yeah having a roster spot rotate in thats undergeared and unreliable ain’t fun

unkempt oasis
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kick him

spare steppe
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Thanks, appreciate yall

remote drift
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Some people don't care about holding others back I guess

jade fable
olive wraith
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👍

drowsy heron
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i dont really get the HnS redesign since RB is such trash

olive wraith
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Lmao

drowsy heron
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same

remote drift
drowsy heron
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are we getting any more tuning after .5?

olive wraith
warm crag