fury

[echo rapids]

Here is a top heroic log with a similar kill length as yours, id compare the two logs https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dxD6WXghmzkYwFAZ?fight=4&type=damage-done&source=24

Hes hitting 600k peak DPS in P1, you are hitting 300k

[hot shell]

Youll get 3 myth pieces a week if you roll in dungeons starting soon.

Best answer is sim it. Hunt SHOULD still be higher prio than 4 itemlevel

[echo rapids]

The damage amp on the voidwalkers in P1 is giga huge, timing your cooldowns for when they have a big amp is the way

[tight ruin]

Oh right I forgot about that, so probably better to just save unless the robot overlord tells me different. Thanks!

[shut pivot]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nprEJhtQcqUqv8w5wznYUG

any thoughts on what could be a good craft ?

[icy whale]

id say cloak

[hot shell]

In that specific case id craft cloak too

[unkempt oasis]

Getting a decent cloak without vers is difficult too

[shut pivot]

cloak shows only as a 0.1 %

might consider neck or a ring maybe

[icy whale]

guys what do i take

since you can roll mythic dungeon items with bonus roll soon

[unkempt oasis]

Sim...

[young swan]

gloves

ring isnt even bis for fury

[echo scarab]

tf how do you peak 600k in that fight

[icy whale]

i have 289 set gloves, its not that easy

[unkempt oasis]

Aren't those gloves bis?

[icy whale]

it is pretty much bis if i dont have mythic lura items

[young swan]

yes

[icy whale]

lura ring + platinum star band is just bis if you have them on mythic

[unkempt oasis]

I would probably take those then

The gloves

[young swan]

idk the gloves are an easy choice for me

[unkempt oasis]

1 less item you have to chase forever

You will never see them again

If you deny them now

[icy whale]

im just thinking because soon you can roll for dungeon mythic items

so i could farm seat

[young swan]

theres like

10 items on the loot pool

in that dungeon

also arent the item lists curated?

i cant remember how they actually work

[icy whale]

once you got one its removed from list

[unborn dome]

those just drop randomly right? We just have to complete the voidstorm weekly thing?

[icy whale]

so seat has 12 items

[unkempt oasis]

Can you do 2 per week?

[icy whale]

i think so

[unkempt oasis]

On one dungeon

Seems like a waste for just those gloves

And you'd probably get the ring from there

[icy whale]

you can do 2 dungeon and 1 raid per week

[unkempt oasis]

Which has vers

[icy whale]

im wondering what id go for then

probably a dungeon with weapon

if i dont clear vanguard by then

[unkempt oasis]

I will probably do Magisters Terrace

[dusk knot]

what are people using the 2 sparks on this week ?

[icy whale]

do you play 2 arcanoweave or 1 weave 1 hunt?

[spare steppe]

gloves

[icy whale]

also if you had tier gloves 289?

[spare steppe]

hmmm thats tough

cause the ring is a good set but it isnt bis

i'd sim and second guess every minute

[dusk knot]

anyone got a sim for like perfect gear ? like a goal sim

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTxbz0VzPWK0j2_1mNqcOGX0Lgrnha3kM6wvCgossscI08I_Hk-v1_D2crjD7h6Wo-FCrnJUn4W2CWU/pubhtml?gid=1484407191&single=true like this but updated

[echo rapids]

No I think you get 2 tokens per week, and a dungeon use is 1 and a raid use is 2

[olive wraith]

Think Bloodmallet does. What are you trying to check

[hot shell]

Correct

[icy whale]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8KXYcFYQf2eo3QeSrmcDjS

ring would be +1.3% and gloves would be +0.0%

[latent beacon]

hey all, im aiming to go for 16s all timed, should i stick with fury or go arms? seeing loads more arms warriors recently

[olive wraith]

Fury is fine for that

[latent beacon]

thanks

[ocean ore]

Whatever one your better at and can not die

[spare steppe]

then yeah I guess you go wrong

shame but its the best move

[icy whale]

i really feel like the bis list is not ideal to follow even if you aim for near max gear

[olive wraith]

Wdym

[icy whale]

lura ring on 289 is super unlikely

and without it my sim already changes

[olive wraith]

Bis is only bis if you have everything

[icy whale]

yeah but the question im having now is, to what extend should you aim for that in the first place

[olive wraith]

You don’t

[icy whale]

if realistically you cannot reach the 289 lura ring and 289 lura neck

[olive wraith]

You just sim

[icy whale]

i mean to some extend it is smart to plan ahead

[olive wraith]

Not really. You get it when you get it. Just don’t vendor stuff

[frigid temple]

csius

[icy whale]

i would always take bis dungeon items over tier set slots

since you can fill them up way easier later on

[dusk knot]

bis crafted things in the end with mythic weapons, whats the best crafted

[olive wraith]

No clue

Sims would know

[dusk knot]

ya but it gets hard to sim without end gear it could be skewed idk

[olive wraith]

Top gear it

Or

Ignore Bis list

And just craft based on current gear

[dusk knot]

ye but what if some drops from raid are better than crafted gear thats it

[dusk knot]

ill do that i guess

[olive wraith]

Raid first, then craft

[dusk knot]

i guess cloack and bracers since its lower stats

[slate cobalt]

Been mostly playing Fury, but do we basically want to switch to Arms on single target fights like voracius, beloren, and maybe fallen?

Or is it not worth without proper stat weight. My gears are mostly haste mastery

[wary salmon]

[slate cobalt]

Why the confusion? Warcraftlogs showing Arms doing much more dmg than Fury on those fights, so I am just curious

[lost thorn]

Fury is pure pad if you got a lot of padders in your guild you will probably lose because fury doesnt do it best

[vast gorge]

hmm crit flask simming higher than mastery now

[olive wraith]

Sim and check

[slate cobalt]

my sim shows Fury doing more damage on single target. I guess I just didn't want to believe it. Can try collecting more crit gear and sim again I guess

[fringe vale]

for the not enoug i know, stat weights have never been a good source of intel to dictate what to equip. Players here have forever said to sim in top gear to find out. Usually, ilvl>all but can vary in many cases. so when in doubt, sim it out.

[upbeat plume]

furys ST sims are usually a trap, and arms is better at damage that actually matters in raid (boss damage) unless your literally the only person who can do aoe in your group

[fringe vale]

whats the margin of error of each? u might be tripping over a 0.000something%

[light sandal]

is it worth waiting the extra two weeks for crafted wep or check vault for mythic track?

or craft next lowest slot (boots, belt, cape

[fringe vale]

like for me pot of recklesness sims .6% better than lp but only with blood knights flask.

[fringe vale]

you must be able to craft wep + 2 items this week

unless u've used em elsewhere

[light sandal]

ah yes I crafted my main 2 hand and the wrist

[fringe vale]

which i assume is the case, both scenarios are kinda not worth to rush em, unless you are crafting a 2nd arcanowave. If not, hold because on those 2 weeks, you can get wep and a mythic track upgrade for a slot you craft.

oh in that case, craft ur 2nd arcanowave and keychain your wep to clean hunt

ure fine with crafted wep and hero track wep

just pray for vault

[olive wraith]

How are fury sims a trap

[upbeat plume]

sims give 0 indication of how good a spec is going to be in live fights

its just a tool to check gear upgrades

[fringe vale]

? variations exist, yes but sims actually tell you what gives you more damage, whats wrong there

how is that a trap

[upbeat plume]

its a trap to assume a spec does more damage then another from the sim

ala

arms and fury

which is the context of the original topic

[fringe vale]

it also tells you what do what and u can check opener and rotation/conditions met in quick sim when you scroll down

sure its a bot that does everything perfect but alas, it gives you a good solid idea

[upbeat plume]

it really dosent in terms of judging a specs efficacy in a live fight, great example is fury and arms

So fury sims higher then arms does in ST for most, what is furys current ST standing in the raid?

its literally dead last

[loud locust]

off topic question here but whats the new fast way to level rn? last week was spamming shadowguard point but i think thats changed

[fringe vale]

this feels biased imho, considering almost all warriors are running thane to pad on adds because every boss has adds. have you checked elsewere but the 99's percentiles?

[upbeat plume]

thane and slayer are barly 2% apart in ST situations

sometimes as high as 3%

[fringe vale]

most of the fights u leave boss to pad on adds, whats ur point

[upbeat plume]

my point again, is the person who I was talking to was asking about a ST sim, and wondering why fury was simming higher, and if your actuallly care about performance in raid or live anything assuming a spec is better then another based on a patchwerk sim is going to fuck you over

[mental jewel]

Im feeling a bit confused myself - alot of information pointing towards arms slayer and fury slayer, but from what limited information i can see on WCL, it looks like colossus arms and thane fury are outperforming at a high level

What am i missing?

[upbeat plume]

they pad better, when speaking about ST, (barring fights that have signifcant boss cleave like dragons and paladins) ST damage is the damage that matters in raid

M+ its thane and colossus for days

[woven valley]

the fights this raid seem to actively go againt our damage profile for the most part lol

and fury is hurting bad on boss damage as is as well

[hybrid cargo]

are there any fights in void spire worth simming as hectic add cleave?

[inland flame]

wait 12.0.7 raid is flex mythic no cap

wonder what the difficulty is gonna be like

[upbeat plume]

yep 15-25

[mental jewel]

That makes sense, which is why im confused because im seeing fury thane filling 90% of the top 100 on salhadaar, voracius, aversian, etc

[upbeat plume]

I assume somewhere close to a like a mid tier boss since its supposed to be a bridge for AoC guilds to get there feet wet in mythic

[upbeat plume]

its all pad damage yep lol furys boss damage has been bad for many many season with a few times where we were decent enough

[olive wraith]

If your fury st is simming higher than arms st (because of stats) how is that misleading

[winter shoal]

Top logs will always just be people padding crazy style, and thane is good at that

get your guild to agree to not touch adds and let you solo them = ez 100

[upbeat plume]

I suppose I generalized let me be specific, its misleading, if you are using that sim to determine what you should play in raid from a fight to fight basis

[winter shoal]

I would play thane on every fight in mythic raid personally

but top logs are inherently flawed

[upbeat plume]

oh theres no requirement to switch for sure

[mental jewel]

Yeah but even for belo'ren 🫤 must be alot of hidden logs out there with slayer at the top...

[olive wraith]

I believe the person was asking if they should switch

[winter shoal]

By the time you or I get to those fights, they will be purely mechanics checks, not throughput checks

We'll have so much from gear and raid buffs that the numbers are fake

just do mechanics and don't die

[upbeat plume]

depends on the group and how fast you are but yeah for most its not the most relevant question, ontop of that you can get CE playing literally anything as long as your solid at it and not in the top 100 basically lol

[leaden wren]

For rotation optimization would it be preferable to hold recklessness for a GCD to avoid overcapping the 50 rage or should I just send it?

[unborn dome]

Thane or slayer for Chimerus fight?

[upbeat plume]

if your not progging on mythic thane is going to do more damage overall

unless your group is giga fucking the adds

[unborn dome]

yeah we shit - so it's just heroic

[compact knot]

only way you see a 2nd warrior on l'ura

is a warlock pet

😊

we stay winning

[winter shoal]

you playing spriest?

or bench angle

[sullen dove]

W

(not good p1 for me couldve been like 10k higher)

[icy whale]

killed lura earlier with 3 or 4 warriors

[compact knot]

bench for now

[compact knot]

mythic l'ura

[icy whale]

of course

[compact knot]

we are seeing how we handle the grips in p1 first before deciding

[icy whale]

[compact knot]

could be drop rogue change pwar to bdk and add me (arms warriuro)

[winter shoal]

me when my raid has like 7 melee

[spare steppe]

holy shit nice

[slim coral]

look at warrior at the bottom classic

but gz bud

[slim coral]

Bench buddies lets gooooo

maybe we can theorycraft some godo warrior changes while sitting?

[mighty bloom]

what to craft after weapon and bracers?

[slim coral]

whatever your lowest item is

generally necks and rings can be pretty good

depending on what level you play at they can be hard to get on myth track

[mighty bloom]

would waist be bad?

[slim coral]

I dont' really think there is a bad option your'e really just trying to get a myth track item crafted basically

[mighty bloom]

gotcha

thanks!

[slim coral]

if you really want to know the max value craft simming is very helpful

[thorny jewel]

I've read through all the pinned PTR notes, I know it's not finalized, but will fury be getting a bit of ST buff? our ST is dogshit.

[smoky vale]

no

[slim coral]

one can only pray for that day

[keen kindle]

Warriors st in general for both dps specs is lmao

[woven valley]

blizz is scared as usual to make warrior good

anytime we are good at something they slam us

[fringe vale]

it might had to do with the fact that the raid is full of pad

devs went and designed in consideration of that

[woven valley]

and yet they let every other class pad to hell

so thats a flimsy reason

[fringe vale]

its different teams that work on the different classes

[woven valley]

we dont even need aoe buffs for the most part

we just need single target buffs

[fringe vale]

st affects our aoe

directly

[woven valley]

they can fix that easily by changing the percentage on meat cleaver like they have done in the past

[fringe vale]

i dont know man im not a class design dev

[keen kindle]

Just like they did for outlaw

[fringe vale]

all we spew here is but yapping without having the whole picture

[woven valley]

blizzard has just had a hardon for making this class as little fun as they can lol

better to yap here than say nothing tbf

[keen kindle]

Idk

[fringe vale]

oh yeah ofc

[thorny cove]

dumb question, but will pugging for 1% be extremely difficult on fury? should I just reroll unholy now?

[slim coral]

Birb down

[compact knot]

bired

[inland flame]

u did it

[compact knot]

"u"

[slim coral]

true I was in

[inland flame]

i mean he was there

[slim coral]

I killed it

[modest condor]

grats

[compact knot]

wtf?!

[slim coral]

[modest condor]

im sure they couldnt have done it without you

[inland flame]

massive burst class

[slim coral]

surely they didnt sit the warrior dps

[modest condor]

when was the last time fury actually had burst that lasted longer than 10 seconds

(st burst)

[fringe vale]

when was the last time fury actually had burst

[modest condor]

uhhh

[fringe vale]

im memeing

[unkempt oasis]

Before the last rework

[modest condor]

may i remind you of a certain raid

[slim coral]

ST burst never

[compact knot]

amirdrassil

[slim coral]

atleast since I've been playing

[inland flame]

he doesn't member Nerubar

[compact knot]

it was pretty good

[woven valley]

give us 100 percent crit for 10 seconds again

[slim coral]

Season 3 with anni

was not too bad

good prio

[unkempt oasis]

s3 was good times

[modest condor]

nah you only had the 2 OFs and the buffed bbs after it which was basically 10 seconds

[compact knot]

fury had some STUPID execute burst in s3 df

[woven valley]

s3 was great in df people fucked us in s4 voting for s2 tier

[atomic fulcrum]

I'm sure someone has already said it but we should just shut down the discord boys

[modest condor]

after that it was just normal reck which was still piss burst

[woven valley]

it wont work. blizz doesnt care about brown class

[unkempt oasis]

We aren't THAT bad

[atomic fulcrum]

neither were paladins but it worked for them lol

[unkempt oasis]

we just aren't very good...

[slim coral]

one thing I do mis

[compact knot]

ret was pretty fucking bad

[slim coral]

is execute itself actually doing damage

[fringe vale]

maybe because s2 warrior tier was the only sucker among the thers lmao

[compact knot]

but they where getting buffed anyways

so

[inland flame]

Legion with the Draught numbers go brr

[woven valley]

i mean fury boss damage in raid is abysmal

[unkempt oasis]

if you buff our ST, our Aoe will go too crazy

[atomic fulcrum]

they weren't "shut the discord down" bad

[modest condor]

"we'll buff the tiersets appropriately so pick for playstyle" biggest lie of the 20s

[fringe vale]

[young swan]

maybe like

wod?

[slim coral]

not really there is ways to fix it

[fringe vale]

3.3.5 icc

[unkempt oasis]

nerfing AOE...

[modest condor]

i dont think our 5 target sustain dps would even be that obscene if you buffed our st by 10% right now

[woven valley]

they can literally just lower the meat cleaver percent and increase our single

[inland flame]

if i had a nickel for every time my DPS was carried by a legendary axe...

[woven valley]

easy tradeoff

[modest condor]

such a big part of our aoe is clap/blast

[slim coral]

I mean stat wise fury is not taht good in keys

if you look at dps

compared to the top classes

[woven valley]

our burst is just behind too many buttons

[modest condor]

i think you'll be surprised what kind of dps fury can do

[unkempt oasis]

I won't argue with that, lol

[woven valley]

you hit like 3 buttons before you can even really burst

[modest condor]

saw nox do 200k+ overall today

[unkempt oasis]

I saw a dk and devour do like 600k

so

[compact knot]

is 200k overall in a +19 good

[modest condor]

was that a +2 where they pulled boss to boss?

[inland flame]

i mean when you're pushing keys that high and timing them whatever your dam is is obviously good enough

[compact knot]

i had a 220k overall as arms in a +10 so idk what that would be in a +19

[unkempt oasis]

it was a +21

[modest condor]

it's not arms but it's respectable

[modest condor]

ok so basically do the first pull into wipe

[slim coral]

its ok

depends on what key

[compact knot]

was yoda playing ret or prot

surely not prot in a +19 or +20

[modest condor]

nobody does even remotely close to 600k dps in a key once you're past the first pull

[slim coral]

if it was 200k on a pit that would be insane

[unborn dome]

lmao
Hunter in my raid is 3 ilvls below me, parsed 34 lower than me, but out dps'd me

this class sucks

[modest condor]

isnt pit one of the higher overall keys

pit and caverns

[fringe vale]

blue aprse

parse

insane

actually good

gj

[hot shell]

Wdym? Were fiiine

[fringe vale]

bro flexing

[slim coral]

kind of ye

[compact knot]

i think pit is 2nd highest

[slim coral]

This is the top page

[hot shell]

I dont even know who that warrior is

[fringe vale]

proxy flex

[compact knot]

dont think any dungeon has higher then 250k dps rn

[slim coral]

arms on the othe rhand

actually cranks

[compact knot]

this guy geniuenly mogs

[slim coral]

This is a caverns

[inland flame]

Yeah cleave goes cray I just wish Col ST wasn't so painfully bad

[modest condor]

it has really good funnel

[red berry]

it’s okay :) three mobs makes it good :)

[unkempt oasis]

Alright, so it was with Aug. But still. That is some crazy pumping for end of pit.

[modest condor]

like really good

[red berry]

yeah lmao

[modest condor]

that's 280k not 600k

[compact knot]

think he means combined for some reason

[modest condor]

and yeah an arms warrior can do that too with aug

[unkempt oasis]

It was an early meter I saw...

[compact knot]

which with a aug isnt really that crazy

[fringe vale]

when funnel, it kinda slaps

[woven valley]

arms isnt fury sadly

[fringe vale]

but then, that's a group tech or tank has to know ur spec lol

[woven valley]

kek

[inland flame]

ya i know just don't always have the opp

[modest condor]

idk what kind of dps fury can do with aug tbh

[slim coral]

Aug actually needs to get shot

its so disgusting

[modest condor]

havent seen any furys play with aug yet

[red berry]

cleave also being an execute

[unkempt oasis]

it is gross

[slim coral]

Balanced btw

[lean heart]

fellas what do we play on bird

[compact knot]

fob is top 5 talents in the game rn

so

[fringe vale]

no way XD

[lean heart]

i only see 2 fury logs both with thane is that the play

[compact knot]

it is

[compact knot]

thane fury or slayer arms

[fringe vale]

almost no slayer fury in keys

not sure if noxiv was playing it bc he likes slayer

[lean heart]

im talking abt birb

[fringe vale]

but he might swap to thane in higher keys

[compact knot]

noxiv is playing thane

on bird

[fringe vale]

ah he swapped

[compact knot]

like

the boss

in the raid

not algethar academy boss

[fringe vale]

yes i realize that like 10s ago

me dumbdumb

[compact knot]

@lean heart do u mean only fury

cause i lowkey think arms is just better that arms log is really not good

[lean heart]

i can play both

[compact knot]

ic

thane fury prob slightly better in p1 at kill lil birds

arms better at intermission egg damage

[lean heart]

theres zero arms kills for bird

yeh true

[fringe vale]

thane arms?

[inland flame]

dam the thane arms dream is real

[compact knot]

thane arms yeah

[unkempt oasis]

I do that when I take off a sword

[compact knot]

the check is mostly in killing the intermission egg

[compact knot]

there is 1 but its like

disgusting

[scarlet swift]

anyone still slumming thane fury in keys? this is a seat 10...does the breakdown at least look accurate?

[inland flame]

how do you even make beta be able to compete with gigachad

[compact knot]

u cant

[fringe vale]

man idk, but i think ur blast clap dmg kinda low?

[scarlet swift]

im spamming it like crazy, but maybe? if only there was an addon that showed casts...details used to...Blizz...

[fringe vale]

maybe not its ur 2nd dmg if we add all

[inland flame]

dont mention details I miss him so much

[compact knot]

like idk what is up with this log

[inland flame]

pour one out every day

[compact knot]

he was just worthless

[lean heart]

oof i see it

[young swan]

isnt it deadass like +50% damage on prio target when u have 3 targets

like its just ridiculous

[compact knot]

i dont think anything changes on the egg phase from heroic to mythic

but i do

like 230k egg dps on heroic in 30 seconds

and he is like 140k in 30 seconds

oh

i think he fucked up his recklessness pot

LMFAO

bro this potion is so bait if you dont know what you are doing

its insane

[slim coral]

what do you mean

why do you have to know what you are doing

is it not just a normal pot

[compact knot]

no

if a weapon procs for example

itll change which stat is highest

and if you proc haste during lust

its worthless

like -50k

dps

[slim coral]

ah

[compact knot]

it happened to my dk in our guild

he was using guidon before reck pot and proccing a haste potion

[scarlet swift]

just unclick lust and enjoy your pot

[compact knot]

and was losing 60k dps in the burn

lmao

instead of a mastery potion

actually maybe he didnt

his crit % is really high but he did literally 0 dps

[fringe vale]

basically if you know its bl at pull u pop pot before the actuall pull to ensure it goves mastery

if lust is midfight u might be fucked

[compact knot]

no thats not it

[bitter palm]

more than a 100%

[compact knot]

it takes the flat number of stat

[bitter palm]

my st more than doubles

[compact knot]

not the %

[bitter palm]

farover did 115k on garfrost in pit

[compact knot]

so lust doesnt actually effect it

[fringe vale]

oh, still with fury it translates well tho

[compact knot]

but hunt embellishment + haste wep proc it can still change it

and beloren procs haste

on the hunt embellishment

fortunately he potted crit but he still did 0 dps in the burn

[fringe vale]

so a lp is better in that scenario?

[hot shell]

Ive never used reck. My char got 0 vers. Will it just Substract nothing or go of the third highest

[compact knot]

think it must be

[compact knot]

subtract noting

but if you vantus for example itll remove alot

[fringe vale]

imagine he goes to negative vers and insta dies

XD

versatile illness

[compact knot]

arms doesnt use reck pot rn so that means fury DEFINETLY doesnt use reck pot

fury big fan of main stat

[fringe vale]

if only you could track what stat is the pot giving

but can't anymore

[unborn delta]

FUUCK

thanks kha

[maiden sphinx]

fury gang

[sullen dove]

bottom when it’s 8th but ok

[maiden sphinx]

bottom of the meters feels good

🙂

[sullen dove]

also could’ve easily been like 6th with more favorable p1 rng

atrocious p1 pull for me feels quite bad

would’ve been like +12k overall dps if won in that phase

[compact knot]

grey parse for arms i think

but crank

[sullen dove]

chadge

[maiden sphinx]

my tanks dont know how to stack

I tried arms

and im like uhhhh

game is too easy tho

8 fury warrior parses lel

[sullen dove]

@dapper goblet killed for u

[dapper goblet]

that is beast mode

show damage

[sullen dove]

Up there somewhere

[dapper goblet]

what does that mean

[modest condor]

something like that, like the boss in pit of saron where you can bring the immortal adds, ive seen crit do 110k dps to the boss

someone linked a farover log yesterday as well with something similar

[bitter palm]

ye he did 115k

[young swan]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1DNk7d8PFZabB9n4?fight=last&type=damage-done

[dapper goblet]

oh wow

swordish is a beast

[bitter palm]

nah arms is just broken

[dapper goblet]

his first HoF and he gets r1

thats why he's yellow

[sullen dove]

would be 12k higher with good p1

but what can u do

also true

[young swan]

only phase that matters

execute spec

[sullen dove]

I kind of pounded alleria tho no cap

[young swan]

tiredawoo

[sullen dove]

psure we missed 1 arrow too one of p2

[dapper goblet]

gapped by a pink guy in execute

[sullen dove]

I died for like 5 seconds

some terrorist range obelisk killed 3 of us

but uhdk insta brezed me

That guys a chad for that

[young swan]

why is ur aug doing zdps

isnt aug just the most broken spec in the game

[sullen dove]

only 1 so gg

I may have also done a little bit of trolling in the last like 15 seconds that could’ve caused a wipe but fortunately didn’t

[bitter palm]

bring back playing 3 arms on fights where execute matters

[sullen dove]

mugzee if it was designed well

“Bring 4 arms or die”

[bitter palm]

bring back arms being an execute spec

[sullen dove]

holy chad boss

If only

[bitter palm]

if only exe didn't get a random -15%

before the patch even dropped

cause of sims when the spec is literally unable to do aoe without dropping all st

[sullen dove]

Need warr buffs for this reason btw

she rly fun boss tho

like 30x better than heroic

[bitter palm]

time to push m+ now i guess

nothing to do

unless they are chads and play dps warrior

surely r1 means ure in on beloren

player>class type shit

[hybrid cargo]

puzzle box always poipped with reck/avatar right?

[sullen dove]

yea I mean next to 0 chance I’m not unless someone’s whipping out a prot war

also highest ilvl in guild kinda nice

(still only given 3 pieces of raid loot)

The 1.5mil I spent on boe boots for +3 Ilvl on em this week + being able to take socket from vault was reason for kill btw any truers???

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1170378356588552214/1463241180635726022/z9v6sxkm5jeg1.gif

[bitter palm]

🍽️

by blizz i guess

[sullen dove]

It’s actually crazy how much better spec would be tho if they gave half of arms talents the simple qol of making their buff duration last 1min instead of 30 seconds

[bitter palm]

yep

i love counting down colossal might and heroic might

[sullen dove]

so ur telling me my 4-5stack CS that lets me do 12-15% more dmg to boss during lust/pot window just falls off mid intermission for fun

[bitter palm]

while waiting for the forced rp to end

[sullen dove]

and like… a skillful player could maybe extend it by some grace of god if you think u can melee the boss a few times and get a lucky heroic strike

but tried that like twice and u just insta die

if only we had deaths advance

[bitter palm]

idk why does it even have a duration in the first place

[sullen dove]

Mickey Mouse class devs

[bitter palm]

just classic blizzard

u know it's a blizzard game when it has random cbt

for no reason

[sullen dove]

They buffed fatal mark duration like 4 times during raszageth tier

but this one not the real end boss so they prolly dgaf

[ocean ore]

Nice

Gz on hof

[sullen dove]

ty chadge

[ocean ore]

We're you building another set for arms the whole season or just jewelery/ gem swaps?

[sullen dove]

just kinda morphed fury into arms like 2 weeks ago for paladins

which wasnt much else other than farming a pit necklace, recrafting my gear and catalyzing like 2 items that happened to be good arms stats

belt and boot

[ocean ore]

Gotcha, I need to get on that aswell. Should be well through paladin prog but lost a tank this week and didn't help reclear lmao

Bro looted a 3m boe and gquit to avoid giving it for gbank lol

[sullen dove]

lol

kinda wack but also like 2% based

but yea i mean gold aint that deep lol

what u gonna buy wit 3mil

housing decor wowzers

[unkempt oasis]

a new guild for 1.5

[sullen dove]

truegi

[young swan]

@compact knot

[random shadow]

so if you kill say 3 mythic bosses, does your one slot share all 3 boss loot tables?

[compact knot]

sup

ohhhh

pretty

[radiant plank]

arms p1 dam looks so good there

[compact knot]

i said itwas bad in p1

smh

[radiant plank]

bro ur competing with the augs on details

omegalul

[smoky vale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/760970662474547271/1490212870644957419/DOGNERD.gif

[hot shell]

Avoidance AND socket procc? My luck for this season just ran out, i guess

[random shadow]

if only myth

[olive wraith]

Shares loot tables of latest boss and below

Iirc

[scarlet swift]

Alright im lazy and cant figure something out...i made a cast sequence macro, it work on dummies but when im in a dungeon it doesnt work...what happened?

[random shadow]

so all 3?

i tired rn, brain to small rn

[hardy cargo]

lets say you kill mythic averzian, vorasius and crown of the cosmos

your singular vault slot will share the entire raid pool of loot

because crown was teh 3rd boss

[hardy cargo]

^

and if you killed salhadaar as ur 3rd boss itd only be loot from him, vorasius, and averzian

[random shadow]

oh, so first two bosses of void then dreamrift would just be those three

[slim coral]

@compact knot I will be in for midnigh tfalls we are no longer bench buddies

gg

[random shadow]

since its up two and just dreamrift self

[random shadow]

did you get benched for birdie?

[slim coral]

yeah but we killed it tn

[random shadow]

F

[slim coral]

so I'll finally be back in for prog

[fading sky]

Fury for lura?

[slim coral]

I'll test both

[fading sky]

I hope 2 get there in a month or 2

[slim coral]

I always prefer fury cause its more fun to play most the time

[fading sky]

My guess would be thane or collosus

In 12.05

If demolish aligns somewhat

At least if our dmg is supposed 2 try and.matter🤣

[random shadow]

i can imagine col would be strong next week considering

[fading sky]

It could be. I guess some fervor // cleave build? For o1 adds funnel dmg into boss?

Dmg still matter there riiight?

[random shadow]

probably, boss takes reduced damage tho if im not mistaken or thinking of different mech

[fading sky]

When adds are up?

[random shadow]

i think i got the mechs messed up, the kicks are the one or whatever

not sure if boss gets reduced when the crystals pops up

[compact knot]

the only thing that gets a damage reduction

is the crystals you need to kick

so you wouldnt be blowing your load on those

[sullen dove]

Does mythic matrix even reduce dmg it takes

[random shadow]

ah ye thats what i was thinking about

[sullen dove]

The heroic version does cuz it’s called “safeguard”

But think mythic one doesn’t and it just kills you if u miss

Afaik nothing else should be giving anything a dmg reduction the rest of the fight aside from that

which is heroic and lower only

[random shadow]

thats also true , liquid did wipe quiet a bit on that first few hundred pulls

[dapper goblet]

shotgun to the face

technically i think you could miss a kick and it not kill anyone

[stiff maple]

Just dodge lol

[sullen dove]

Yea if it’s pointed away from you

it’s a frontal coming out of boss

in that adds direction

could be on other side and ur chill bill

other times boom headshot entire raid

[dapper goblet]

download hacker man auras and unpossible to miss a kick

[sullen dove]

It’s just a simple macro no?

Or did they not release it

I think that’s how they finally solved it

[dapper goblet]

2 macros

[sullen dove]

dynamic macro targeting the bossframe and if one add dies it moves up the chain

[compact knot]

2 macros and a weakaura

[sullen dove]

dang idk what 2nd one is for

unfort then

[dapper goblet]

set focus 2-4

then kick your number

airhorn loud

[random shadow]

and they wanted to remove weakauras and addons but yet here we are

[sullen dove]

o can u not just auto kick your set focus

but ig that works tbh

[dapper goblet]

i think you can if you're first kick

[sullen dove]

you’ll always have the correct one set focused even if others die first

[dapper goblet]

i'm first kick but i just press both

[sullen dove]

where the 1 macro would have to like move your kick depending on if boss4 was alive or if its not then it targets boss 3 or something

I thought that’s what liquid did but maybe not

or they just haven’t released the tech in which case fuck em

[compact knot]

how do u do this 1 btw

[sullen dove]

Just like /setfocus bossframe2/3/4 no or something like that

[dapper goblet]

correct

[compact knot]

i came in from the bench on the last like 40 mins so i wasnt prepared for the kick shit

[sullen dove]

whatever the syntax for it is idk

[dapper goblet]

MY group

[sullen dove]

But I think 1 macro would be like /target boss 4 > kick, ok boss 4 doesn’t exist so target boss 3 >kick etc

[dapper goblet]

[radiant plank]

range kick cheater xeos

[dapper goblet]

i think non ranged melee can kick noobert

[compact knot]

damn thats lowkey easy

[radiant plank]

running after my kick target to hit a pummel

[dapper goblet]

so your raid leader hates u

not having you kick 2

actually i guess it just depends

[compact knot]

/cast [@focus] pummel

thats it right

[dapper goblet]

owned melee rangers

[radiant plank]

how about I just dont kick

since its 12 kicks now

[dapper goblet]

yes

[radiant plank]

:)

[compact knot]

k sweet

bang

done

ty

[dapper goblet]

helping my opps

[eternal sundial]

Surely if you all use the funny razageth kick macro you might get all the thingies too

Without any benefits

[sullen dove]

I mean shit just rotates no

2 could be other side of boss when it’s ur turn lol

https://tenor.com/view/get-rotated-get-rotated-idiot-rotate-rotation-shark-gif-24511062

[dapper goblet]

feel llike i corrected myself

gooberfish

[sullen dove]

maybe

[dapper goblet]

do not speak unless spoken to

[sullen dove]

But also walhe right

only need 12 kicks

Range only job

melee will be focusing boss ty

[spare helm]

melees dont ahve kicks!

Range jobs

(jokes)

[dapper goblet]

i think we do have our rogue and old man warrior on back up

by the time swordish gets to the boss there will be only 1 kick and 1 add

🥀

[eternal sundial]

Real melee dont

Fake like dk shaman dh do

[sullen dove]

https://tenor.com/view/deal-damn-good-deal-good-deal-id-make-that-deal-gif-27676387

[dapper goblet]

you were 3 when that movie came out

[sullen dove]

Surely belo only takes like a week or two

[dapper goblet]

[hearty geyser]

Why there is nothing in patch note about furry up 😭😭😭

[sullen dove]

https://tenor.com/view/kicking-shooting-trash-garbage-shoot-gif-16611364

warr devs with everything but colossus

[dapper goblet]

devs plural

[plush cypress]

What are the must have addons for m+ and raids? I want to lower the amount of addons to the minimum so my game can run better

My laptop is bad and i want to run wow with better fps

[dapper goblet]

you got the blizzard hq janitor workin on that class

[sullen dove]

bigwigs or dbm probably still somewhat helpful, think no damage meters is kinda big for performance too

at least details Ik used to be intensive not sure if in game meter is any better though given the rest of their in game systems would presume still not great probably

although its recording/displaying less info than old details so maybe

kill details for our sins to let laptop enjoyers be able to play the game

[plush cypress]

I have naowh ui but i think it is a big hit for fps considering all de additional stuff in it

[tepid beacon]

You don't use details? I've used it for ages now

The only thing is my performance on this xpac has been a bit gash, got a really good rig but sadly I do get a lot of fps drops

[sullen dove]

I’m using it yeah it looks 10x better than blizzard

just saying if performance on a laptop is bad can try going without it and see if it helps

it might not affect anything tho since they neutered like 80% of the things dmg meter/details can see and do so maybe that’s a reason for it being less intensive now

[plush cypress]

Gonna try to go with ui maybe like @scenic quest, it doesnt seem that intensive

[slim coral]

MY group

[drowsy coyote]

Hey guys, Im trying to figure out what to craft this week, and I wonder if 2x arcanoweave insight performs better than 1x weave and Hunt on the offhand.

I have a myth track main hand

[slim coral]

honestly simming crafts is the best way to see

[dapper goblet]

4 preds

[slim coral]

my raid leader doesnt hate me though

I got kick 2 so w

just don't lose to DMG bud

[dapper goblet]

[slim coral]

Tell Max yall gotta lock in

[dapper goblet]

You know we got to the planet phase right

So I’m not sure what goober site you’re looking at

[slim coral]

You know I expect you guys to have killed it by now right

You are not meeting my expectations

Infinity is suppose to be THE guild

[dapper goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/uh-wtf-gif-18188575

[slim coral]

lock in you goober

Better die before reset

[sullen dove]

revolt when he babyrages about mythic gallywix

(easiest boss in the last 15 years)

[slim coral]

hey man don't come illprepared to a fight

I bet max had some raiders who came in lost he'd be pissed too

[sullen dove]

yea but a 50 line discord dissertation

😭

[slim coral]

Jtp brought it on himself

[sullen dove]

goat

[slim coral]

bro could not live to save his life

[sullen dove]

infinity trial in amidrassil

vil asked me about him

made some shit up apparently

[slim coral]

word on the streets are your vouch is no longer useful smh

[sullen dove]

i mean think that the one and only vouch ive given and been asked for ever

thought he was chillbill but ig standard compared to my old guild diff

he def cranked dmg when with us but idk vil said he just apparently didnt really know where to stand for tindral or something lol

which maybe depends on a good guild strat vs bad guild strat or something not sure

[slim coral]

I mean he was a parse andy

[sullen dove]

prolly

my old guild def groomed a lot of high ego players for sure

im like half of one of them but its warranted for me

[slim coral]

he would not sac his damage for a mechanic

[sullen dove]

but def like 5+ came into our guild as nothing and left as like a hotshot "im the best mf there ever was" a tier or 2 later

jtp was one of those

[slim coral]

[sullen dove]

he joined us i think on vault of the incarnates or something

[fleet sorrel]

tardy 1 and tardy 2

[slim coral]

bro tried to sabotage infinity by giving them a bomb gg

[sullen dove]

https://tenor.com/view/hsr-castorice-honkai-star-rail-amphoreus-castorice-hsr-gif-17415631750537495522

oh no their like 1-2 reclears in week like 673 of amirdrassil

[radiant plank]

Goat mentality

[sullen dove]

common denominator is almost all of them started pushing high m+

randoms that barely ever mythic raided before joining our guild

get a CE or two feel good about the game start doing high keys

on account of doing high keys get mad when they dont get more loot out of raid cuz they "deserve it" over others

which is like 5% true

but remember specifically a key pushing priest or something got very upset that he didnt get a tier token on mythic kurog that wouldve been like a 3-6 ilvl upgrade for him and I got it instead cuz it finished my 4set and i had been on vacation until like the week prior so massive uppies for me, i think at least it was this priest was warr/priest on same tier token in vault? either way someone got mad

but yea not very long after that said priest dipped and has been gaming in vulgar since

he mightve been on evoker tbh

since warr/evoker def shared tier tokens in df

gios maybe the most normal individual who followed that pipeline of join my guild start doing high keys build a slight ego

but nowhere near as massive as the others

pretty sure he didnt rly do anything in the game b4 my guild i could be wrong tho

@smoky vale w mans

[vocal thorn]

@smoky vale

[gaunt loom]

slayer fury has really easy rotation

it feels nice to me

[slim coral]

All the ego andies start there

[sullen dove]

kind of impressive what title pushers have done to the games player economy last 2 or so expansions

dont think they were this insufferable in shadowlands

not as much at least

[undone flower]

Loot spec

[slim coral]

I think it’s because in high end m+ damage actually matters and the mechanics in m+ are basically just kicking and dodge, but in raid there are actual mechanics that push you

[sullen dove]

probably

say what you will about gromnak but he is right about 1 thing out of like 5000 other things he's wrong about

m+ers are a disease in raid

99% of the time

they are forced to uses defensives in m+ tho so thats at least 1 small bonus maybe for them in raid

[slim coral]

True

[native island]

it really does. Slayer fury feels like the "old" fury before hero talents. whirlwind every 4 attacks. But i gotta say, i love the thematics of Thane and clappin cheeks

[smoky vale]

hi coach

[fading bane]

Ive played with several really high pushing m+ players

[smoky vale]

hi coach @fleet sorrel

[sick pagoda]

They should expand on this "theme" like I mentioned before.. Thunderstorm instead of Bladestorm.. Maybe a ligninght shock dot instead of rend etc.

[fading bane]

99% are shit

(In raiding)

[smoky vale]

one of them tmy?

[fading bane]

Yes

[smoky vale]

[fading bane]

But he wasnt one of them tbh

More about players thst push keys and get into raiding

[smoky vale]

do you not remember the guild i raided in before yours

[fading bane]

Not raiders that also push keys

[sullen dove]

yea i mean ik it was a pred guild

[native island]

dude that would be sick

[sullen dove]

but not a good one no

[smoky vale]

it was a kitui guild

💀

[fading bane]

There was one mage

[gaunt loom]

ive been playing thane and arms warrior this season. didn't know this easy

[sullen dove]

you didnt do m+ while in there no

to the degree you do now

[smoky vale]

no

[fading bane]

Who did not have raid frames

Only party frames

In raid

[smoky vale]

i did m+ after i left your guild

[sullen dove]

my statement stands

ehh

[native island]

Depends on what form of arms. colossus needs some thinking i feel, but slayer is just BONK

[smoky vale]

man i miss btc low key

[sudden tusk]

M+ is good for reps

[sullen dove]

btc is like top 1 vibes for sure

[smoky vale]

so fire watching kezpie randomly explode every pull

[sullen dove]

just if we had to prog a hard boss strap in

nice 4-600 puller

[smoky vale]

and just trying to not to blow up

sprocketmonger lockenstock

[sullen dove]

didnt u never even play a hard boss with us

didnt join until undermine

maybe like u were there the like 200 pulls of sprocket we had i think

[smoky vale]

left after sprocket reclear

[sullen dove]

prolly our hardest boss

[smoky vale]

[sullen dove]

that tier

lol

[smoky vale]

i did like

before intermission of mugzee

[gaunt loom]

slayer arms is quite tough to me especially in execute phase. colossus is just too hard

[sullen dove]

chudge

[smoky vale]

my favorite part was getting aids with jugg

[sullen dove]

man rewatching my kill pov im so stupid bro its insane

[smoky vale]

[native island]

because execute doesnt feel like it did before. in execute i feel rage starved to hell

[sudden tusk]

sproket second hardest boss in undermine

[sullen dove]

forgot this was the pull i accidentally ripped a fat bladestorm in p2 with cs and avatar up and i just didnt hit them

before entering bladestorm

ts so fire

[fading bane]

Bandit was definetly harder

[smoky vale]

swordish yes or no have i gotten better since i met you

[sullen dove]

i mean would hope so

[smoky vale]

not for worse guilds bro

[sullen dove]

but apparently still benched every boss by chud guild

[fading bane]

Think it got big nerf at one point

[sullen dove]

i mean bandit was easier cuz only like 4-5ish people REALLY had to know what was going on

but u depended on absolutely all 20 players in sprocket

to not fuck up

and that is NOT my guild's forte

[fading bane]

I absolutely despise bandit

[slim coral]

Bandit with the add spawn rng was dumb asf

[fading bane]

Coin lines cutting off

Tornados going into walls

[slim coral]

5 meter diff on their spawns was dumb

[smoky vale]

sometimes youd proc a zolshee run down

or do tank damage

[fading bane]

Then reappearing with no warning

[smoky vale]

actual peak

[sullen dove]

yknow i think u missed prime zolsh meme hours

[gaunt loom]

sad slayer fury is not meta this season

[sullen dove]

he did get quite a bit better from when he came

[smoky vale]

i mean i was there watching nerubar

[sullen dove]

still dies somewhat

[smoky vale]

ansurek was crazy

[sullen dove]

but like a respectable green/blue parser now

i dont rly remember hard offenders on ansurek

boss lasted forever

[smoky vale]

focus up

rip pp

[sullen dove]

with some purples sprinkled

yea

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIeeCg6VIX0

big zolshee mage

half a bdk's dmg on mythic rygelon

mightve been fated idr

cinema

[smoky vale]

bro you sound like a squeaker no offense

but ig

[sullen dove]

sure man

[smoky vale]

6 years does that

bro my voice sound the same since 7th grade

[sullen dove]

yea u are not that guy in 7th grade

relax

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/pig-electric-shock-pigman-electrocuted-electric-gif-13739997527188393816

[smoky vale]

maybe in 9th i had a period where i got aids when trying to sing

perma voice cracks

can you upload focus up

incase you get banned again

cannot lose that

or xan being a chud

[sudden tusk]

what are you talking about dog

[tepid beacon]

yo guys, just a quick question for people here. Last night I posted my gear and a lot of it was being looked at like "dafuq did you add this for" 😄 That's fine but really want to understand where I was going wrong, I have simmed and used guides like WoWhead. My sim was previously telling me Kroluk's Warbanner (mythic trinket) was a good option to use, but a lot of people last night said its actually a pretty gash trinket for this class. How do you discern what is a good option if your sim is suggesting you get a piece of gear like that?

[sullen dove]

do not tihnk focus up needs to be uploaded

[smoky vale]

go to ish twitch search his clips

[sullen dove]

the 2 5war key clips did go hard tho

dont forget u hard throwing in one of em too

[fading sky]

problem is its a 10000% ST trinket

[smoky vale]

yap yap

[fading sky]

and there is not rly any 10000% st

[sullen dove]

https://www.twitch.tv/swordish__/clip/ArtisticSwissBillPeteZarollTie-iCLR3OPd3UFIp5T3

[undone flower]

Idk I have prejudice with ppl who do high keys, multiple times guilds I’ve been in recruit top 10 spec rio WR and he is inhuman bad, we recruited a top 5 brew in undermine it was so bad it made me quit tanking raid and my previous co tank gquit

[sudden tusk]

lmaoooo

[sullen dove]

https://www.twitch.tv/swordish__/clip/BoxySpookyCodGivePLZ-qpT7Txs7y513YVAF

[smoky vale]

who is that celicaxx guy

[tepid beacon]

ohhhh ok

[sudden tusk]

i remember that one

siper solid

[native island]

honestly, idc about meta. i got orange parses on normal yesterday with it. So im happy. it feels very fun to play and i usually raid with my guild anyway, so not too pressed about getting invites etc.

[sudden tusk]

bringin it back

[sullen dove]

top 10 images ever

[sudden tusk]

https://www.twitch.tv/3madox/clip/FancyConsiderateWebDatBoi-lwtFQl_Bt28QKieq?filter=clips&range=all&sort=time

bro ive lost weight look at this old ass clip

[sullen dove]

w

goatnox

[smoky vale]

my favorite madox clip

[sudden tusk]

only good clip i have is the zhai one where im yapping

[smoky vale]

yeap

that one

man season one was fun

even though i was in hell

[iron portal]

Why no all dps smh

[smoky vale]

how do you live

rotate dtbs on cd

zzz

[iron portal]

With skill

[undone flower]

Rotate dtbs and intervenes

[iron portal]

We did it as fury warriors in SL

Very doable

[sick pagoda]

Mountain Thane!

[heavy dock]

those teeth look disturbing

[sullen dove]

@hallow sphinx thank you

done the world a great service

[digital mauve]

Fury or ret which one is more meta this season?

[undone flower]

Ret

But they equally meta since they are both not meta

It’s 1/0 thing, you are meta (one of the three) or not

[dense elbow]

Being more meta, sounds so stupid

You either meta or your aint

[smoky vale]

why did you let gajeel get a rank1

[dense elbow]

Cause I got paid in cat gifs

[red berry]

being 'more meta' just means you are less likely to held back by tuning, i think

although there's always a wall

[undone flower]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-قطة-funny-cat-قطة-مضحكة-gif-2240904742585875068

[red berry]

https://tenor.com/view/hideo-kojima-magic-magician-kojima-metal-gear-gif-15881283245065910001

[digital mauve]

crafting the 'neck is worth it ?

[red berry]

if your sim says its worth it for you, its worth it

[daring granite]

guys, I'm pushing keys 14+ and feeling a bit weak, what should my target overall be looking like

[fading sky]

theres no answer

enough to finish keys

its all depends on pull counts

and such dungeons

[daring granite]

I did 110kdps overall but the ret and udk were both 150k+, proabblky just skill issue?

[somber thicket]

140 to 200k depent on your tank pull

[daring granite]

okay, guess im just cheeks

[fading sky]

but u should do good nah fam

200k is fucking madness

[fading sky]

u should prob be closer to em yes but apart from that

[undone flower]

140-160k, minus magister terrace where you can go beyond more or skyreach where it’s lower

[daring granite]

it was in Algethar Academy

[fading sky]

y but 200k where the hell do u do that overall as fury ?

in a 14

[undone flower]

Yeah it’s really a high number idk what he smoked

For fury

Idk about other specs

[fading sky]

ITS A HIGH NUMBER FOR ALL NO? :d

EVEN ARMS

[undone flower]

Idk I did 190k in magister terrace as fury, I guess some can do more

[fading sky]

yeah but whats ya gear like ? 😄

i was also watching farover stats

but he has like gear for days

[undone flower]

279

I got 1 raid loot

[fading sky]

well u got lucky i guess ?

ive taken my socket

[undone flower]

So I guess only m+ ppl are 278?