fury

[rare garnet]

Doesn’t slayer have bladestorm?

[edgy widget]

but in the grand scheme of things... these are pretty minor complaints
aside from Ravager anyway, that thing can go right in the trash

[stiff maple]

Arms execute feels pretty awkward for rage sometimes especially with no shaman

I dont like it much

[edgy widget]

Ravager doesn't compete with Bladestorm, Demolish does

or more specifically, Demolish is anagulous with Bladestorm, Ravager is not

[rare garnet]

That’s fair I guess. I also hate ravager so not defending it. But I hate it way less than slam.

Slam zzz

[edgy widget]

Like think about it - Bladestorm and Demolish are functionally the same button, used in practically the same way, they even have a similar cadence

[stiff maple]

I wish heroic strike was free in execute, or execute reduced the rage cost of MS or something

[edgy widget]

Ravager is the odd one out; it does something entirely different, used on a completely different cadence, and for different reasons - you (soon) won't use it on single target, for example

[stiff maple]

Or op generated rage again

[edgy widget]

Slam is non-invasive and serves an important role, the majority of hate it gets just stems from the fact that it's not very powerful (partially addressed in 12.0.5, though I think not in a way that will make it any more endearing to the layperson)

Ravager is invasive in practically every sense of the word - it quite literally gets in the way of the rotation

[dapper goblet]

-48 now but in 8 weeks it will be +400 maybe

[sullen dove]

it’s +150 to just make a cape no embellish

but think weapon stats are too bad or something or hunt embell actually doing work

maybe if crafted cape was max ilvl it’d be noticeably better but I don’t got the crests for allat

60 of em next week already spoken for on my pants

[coarse nest]

Hunt putting in work for sure

[thorny zenith]

What comp would be best for when im pugging with my devourer duo? Just normal brew/rdruid/aug?

[bitter palm]

whatever u can get into

unless ure doing 20s comp doesnt matter

[thorny zenith]

I mean ye but comp makes shit easier. And we're in 16s rn

[coarse nest]

Mm/rsham/brew

BM is probably better if the tank doesn’t pull big every 2 minutes

[stiff maple]

Man FUCK aug don't ever invite them

[thorny zenith]

Got it ty

My dmg always feels barely better by aug when the devourer damage is way higher idk what the issue is lol

[bitter palm]

warriors dont work with aug

[coarse nest]

The Aug stealing all your damage

[bitter palm]

either dps warrior and devourer just dont work together if u care a lot about comp

ddh wants aug lock/dk

[thorny zenith]

Ik im working on getting dk geared but want to do keys with war in the meantime

[bitter palm]

u dont

yeye just saying

im actively losing dps when playing with aug

[coarse nest]

I did a singular key with Aug and it felt omega slow

[bitter palm]

buffarms is 250 ilvl almost

[thorny zenith]

What's the reason for aug not working with war ive never understood that spec. Their buffs not come up in time for our cds or smth?

[clever stone]

guys the rogues have a sheet that shows the value they get from raidbuffs. do we have anything like that?

[vast gorge]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/bloodlust-for-warrior-please/2290673/ What do you guys think?

[last belfry]

why not

[coarse nest]

I personally do not want lust
And rally + battleshout is plenty of reason to bring atleast 1 warrior to raid

[frank dawn]

yeah idk, lust would be nice obviously. It feels like you're constantly seeing groups with no lust and one dps slot in the finder

[sudden tusk]

They will never give us lust becuase then we would be the only tank class with a lust

[frank dawn]

but I don't feel like they'd give it to us without taking something away, and I'm not sure that would turn out to be a win

with buffs to rally and some other stuff warrior feels like it's in a decent place tbh

but not having brez or bloodlust will always make pug slots difficult

[tender seal]

Prot is warriors Offspecc

[stiff maple]

I think drums should be stronger so lust is less necessary

[frank dawn]

that's a good fucking point actually. Idk why drums are nuked into the ground

[gloomy stag]

\

[vast gorge]

/cast Drums of War

[warm crag]

why do you wanna waste a gcd in your opener

[lean osprey]

Hot take but for just m+ lust and brez should be given to all classes so there is more diversity in comps

Would make a lot of people upset unfortunately

[fading sky]

I mean

Best dmg

Always comp choice

Besides any melee comp has blue guy

[stiff maple]

Well brez is already given to every class

Just costs a little bit of gold

[quiet geyser]

Not so Hot take the only thing that actually matters for m+ is damage. If our damage is stupid good you are a good spec, period

[foggy pine]

guys im watching a log of top war but i dont see him doing 3 blood when its on so im asking if its nerfed or what

[unborn delta]

bloodthirst?

you dont wanna waste rage

[spare steppe]

All tanks should get lust and all healers get a Brez

And remove from everyone else

[strange drift]

yoooo

[sullen dove]

?

[foggy pine]

yes bloodthirst

[strange drift]

no clue why it was greyed

[slim coral]

We are so back

[strange drift]

Pog

[twilit narwhal]

is this some Charge + Wrecking Throw macro?

[smoky vale]

no you can just throw then charge in

opposite way works as well

[grave pike]

jcan we craft gear this upcoming reset? or next reset

[dry hawk]

Do you think that addon will stay?

I almost downloaded the Meekauras and made a new UI with it

[lime sorrel]

this reset

[strange drift]

u know where can u find imports for meekauras?

[dry hawk]

No, I make my own haha

[slim coral]

it is meekauras

idk if blizz will ban it or not

[dry hawk]

Ye, I guess use it till they break it?

Obviously liquid used it

So some of the functions stay

Yeah I'm dumping Arcui and downloading that tonight

Well shouldn't say dumping, Arcui is great

[strange drift]

tbh blizz should just drop the facade and revert addon nerfsd

it changes nothing except being just more tedious now with hundreds of addons

also i want to track my laps around silvermoon

[dry hawk]

Considering I was the weakaura lua maker for my guild, I second this

[sullen dove]

chud auras

[strange drift]

also details broke

[dry hawk]

I wonder if it.can yell at you during combat like wa did

[late night]

hello guys Light's Potential or Potion of Recklessness for raid and mm+ ?

[hot shell]

I accidentally ran an whole dungeon in defstance and got called a dogshit Player cause my 260il warr didnt manage to deal more dmg than a 279 warlock

[olive wraith]

Why didn’t you beat a meta class. Shame

[unborn delta]

Whole dungeon dstance is crazy

What was the overall

[hot shell]

Pick what u want. If you got 0 vers reck, if u got some% lights

[hot shell]

Oh dude i also left and msised the first bl cause i had to Respecc, noticed i was in pvp Talents still xD

[lone plume]

Does the talent that trigger lightning strikes give me more burst of power procs? Does it work like that?

[lost saffron]

@warm crag @gleaming siren

[smoky vale]

@gleaming siren @sullen dove

[sullen dove]

what

[warm crag]

@gleaming siren @warm crag

[brisk ravine]

as fury what enchant we use on oour weapons?

arcane mastery ?

[hot shell]

The real answer is whatever Sims higher for your character

[brisk ravine]

the unofficial ??

[hot shell]

Mastery and/or rage

[brisk ravine]

we go with both encant same or?

understand

[dry hawk]

is it not on curseforge?

[slim coral]

nope

gotta download it on github

[sleek cargo]

is rends inital hit better than RB or the whole duration?

[sudden tusk]

you use rend for 2 reasons. one is it will deal decent damage over its duration, and two becuase we have to take BT talents for damage and cant take RB refund talents becuase of that, we use Rend to also make sure we still have buttons to press

you can easily get into a situation where you cannot hit RB/ not enough rage for Rampage/ and BT is on CD so by hitting rend early like this it means you dont run out of buttons to press for your action econemy

with the 12.0.5 changes we should be using WW as a filler instead becuase it applies rend in multi target situations so it might remain true for pure ST situations, but realisitically there is only one ST boss in the raid so you won't have to press rend much if ever after those changes

[sleek cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/giga-chad-gif-23143840

[dim spindle]

Bumping this question. Ran with an aug and the run did seem to take longer than it should have

I seem to get 10-20% boost to overall from them but that's kinda hard to accurately measure

I suppose 10-20% doesn't make up for the fact they're half a dps not counting the buffs to others

[tardy lark]

aug is a 2 min spec. Doesnt work that well with variable cd spec like fury/arms

[dim spindle]

Figured, makes sense. ty

So the epeen enlargement supplement isn't worth it. Sad.

[smoky vale]

[warm crag]

aug is still outrageously busted ye its more likely something else went wrong

[smoky vale]

also you lose out on other raid buffs that are potentially more damage individually for warrior

[compact knot]

the issue with aug buffing us

is our cds are fucking worthless

lmao

its not bad in dungeons when you consistently do damage but in raid you can switch your buffs to important people popping cds

like a mm hunter on 3t

[bitter palm]

idk i played with aj

from method

in some 19s and legit did less dps than without

[smoky vale]

hey calm down im sure breath with colo is good

[bitter palm]

was slayer tho idk maybe colo is better

[smoky vale]

but aligning it every time

zzz

[sullen dove]

or an arms warrior on 3target..

[compact knot]

idk you never buff a arms warrior on pull of paladins

but yeah

[smoky vale]

that speaks more to the outlier that is mm than warrior being bad

[compact knot]

buff the burstiest specs first then switch to the consistent ones outside of cds

[smoky vale]

only so many presciences

[compact knot]

then go back to the burstiest ones

[hot shell]

Whenever i see a MM im getting 1m dps rwf flashbacks

[frozen scarab]

why does wowhead recommend slayer for raids but everyone is using mountain thane

[smoky vale]

slayer in pure single target

(there are no pure single target fights)

[frozen scarab]

so is wowhead griefing

[smoky vale]

no

[tawdry cliff]

Salhadaar is a good example of solo target fight

Where Slayer is slightly better than MT

[frozen scarab]

top parses on warcraft logs all take MT tho 😭

[smoky vale]

yeah because in mythic you have to kill orbs

but in heroic they all die so fast you go slayer

[compact knot]

if you wanna do meaningful st you spec arms

otherwise play fury

[tawdry cliff]

Seems like my info is outdated. I clearly remember Slayer being in top parses for Fury

[compact knot]

on mythic slayer is meta on about 0 fights

so

[hot shell]

Im offended

[frozen scarab]

yeah idk i dont se any1 going slayer

which is why im confused why wowhead has it as the best for st

[compact knot]

it is the best for ST

there just isnt any ST fights on mythic

[tawdry cliff]

It is just bad on the rest of the bosses so people most likely don't bother to change

[compact knot]

vorasius exists but even then thane gains a lot of dps by padding on the adds

and you lose very little ST for speccing thane

[frozen scarab]

but salhadaar is a pretty ST heavy fight

[compact knot]

on mythic?

???

[frozen scarab]

are people stacking the orbs?

[compact knot]

the orbs respawn on mythic

btw

so at the end of the fight you are tclapping 10+ orbs

[frozen scarab]

i see

[compact knot]

heroic you can play slayer sure

the ST difference is very small though

[echo rapids]

If slayer had a big edge in ST it might be a more nuanced discussion

But a couple of percent isn’t enough to out weigh the noticeably better aoe of thane

[undone flower]

Only boss I play slayer is vorasius but whatever boss

[compact knot]

even then the top 100 parses are mostly thane

because they get to st the boss and pad when adds spawn

[undone flower]

Im one of them

[compact knot]

check boss damage only though it probably changes

[undone flower]

But slayer

62% slayer for boss dmg

On vorasius

[compact knot]

makes sens

e

[undone flower]

All the other bosses are thane even boss dmg

The first boss, slayer is bad for boss dmg or you need to absolutely grief not touch the adds

[scarlet swift]

I think cd timing is half the warrior issue, nothing aligns great with any boss

[young swan]

our line ups are fine

[scarlet swift]

Just send it and hope it aligns with the phase

[young swan]

they just dont do shit

in fact, i cant really remember a raid where warrior didnt have favourable line-ups

[scarlet swift]

Odyns needs to do (fake number) 100k raw dmg, then split among units hit

[young swan]

the issue has always been cd strength

at least in recent history

[scarlet swift]

Not just purely an aoe

Ww needs to hit for 50k, then divided by units hit

[young swan]

that sounds like ass

[olive wraith]

This guy needs to stop cooking

[compact knot]

they refuse to make reck a good cd

[tardy lark]

Our guild always memes about warrior cooldowns always lining up

[young swan]

its like kinda half good rn sorta

[tardy lark]

Especially if you hold a little

[young swan]

its like on the lower end of decent

[compact knot]

yooo lets use ww in st

🔥

aotd is like 10x the cd recklessness is

icl

[scarlet swift]

It would make it better on 2-3 target

[compact knot]

yeah and it would make you use it on st

ill pass

[young swan]

im down for them to put all of our power budget back into cds for a patch or two

[tardy lark]

Cds line up well on dragons… as long as you hold 25 sec on pull

[compact knot]

ww isnt the issue

[scarlet swift]

St is

[young swan]

also down for them to stop doing the psychic link bit

feel like meatcleaver has been causing issues since the current iteration was made

[tardy lark]

Meat cleaver has gotten 1 or 2 changes since inception no?

Psychic link has gotten 7 million changes while it’s largely the same “tuning knob”

[bitter palm]

idk why we dont have

ramp casts ww

in some form

make it only during reck and it would make slayer

a lot smoother

[young swan]

its not gotten as many as psychic link but its fundamentally the same and has gotten a number of tweaks over the years

[olive wraith]

Either give us a hard cap of 5 with really good prio/st or lower iww by a lot and make reap/clap/tb our top aoe

[young swan]

its bounced between 40, 45, 50, 55, and now 65 over the years

[olive wraith]

Get rid of this in between shit

[scarlet swift]

I want this, maybe just “every 3rd rampage procs ww”

[slim coral]

incoming "Why does fury hit like a noodle" daily post

[sudden tusk]

lmao @young swan i just posted about this without looking in here

[hot shell]

Why does fury hit like wet bread

[tranquil sentinel]

alright ill take the oposite stance, remove all of furys cds, Just flat stick

[olive wraith]

Why does fury hit like its using 1h ers

[tranquil sentinel]

No reck no avatar not even rage, just 3 abilities with cds and 1 spamabale

[hot shell]

Why do hunters deal 8x my dmg with 3 Buttons

[tranquil sentinel]

nevermind i just built tbc ret without wings

[hot shell]

Why do monktanks deal more dmg than me

[slim coral]

Official notes

[scarlet swift]

Fury hits like a flat earther logic, plz fix

[olive wraith]

So was clap reverted?

are we saved

[scarlet swift]

For Prot

Is this prot?

[compact knot]

that is prot yes

it isnt reverted for fury

just go play arms

[olive wraith]

That’s honestly hilarious

[alpine kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-laugh-laugh-laughing-hysterically-lol-lmao-gif-16299678

[hot shell]

Yall remember the arms is dead meme from 4 weeks ago

[scarlet swift]

Gonna level the Hunter tonight

[hot shell]

Some1 needs to change that to fury

[scarlet swift]

It’s time

[sullen dove]

aint no way

[olive wraith]

4 weeks?

Clearly they forgot to copy past thane changes into fury as well

[latent beacon]

glad i got 3k on fury last week, rip fury

[olive wraith]

Nah slayer gonna be fine

[latent beacon]

but the claps felt so good

[olive wraith]

Sure

[red berry]

glad they reverted the nerf but golly what if buffs

[olive wraith]

But it’s not like 3k is that high either

[hot shell]

Noxiv Pit19: 184k
Critcake pit19: 220k

[olive wraith]

Might be prot only

[sudden tusk]

WHERE SINGLETARGET BUFFS

[upbeat cedar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1285353121102561311/dead-fury.gif

[olive wraith]

People acting like slayer is dead

[sullen dove]

"wait for final notes"

cluegi

slayer is now just defacto better

but its still kinda ass

[sage owl]

only reverted thane for prot lol gg

[sullen dove]

thane might be better st tho!!! fun world to live in if true

[flat river]

for both

[olive wraith]

No shot lol

[hot shell]

It doesnt say that

[sullen dove]

its probably not but slayer is losing st and i dont think thane change hurts its st much

[hushed walrus]

can't decide between two shitty specs

[sullen dove]

almost like friday isnt today

[olive wraith]

Only a tiny amount

[sullen dove]

look at new notes/wowhead

its losing like 2% probably

about how far behind thane is now anyway no

[olive wraith]

Check the notes bud

Thane loses some st too though

[sullen dove]

yea idk its just the thunderblast dmg buff maybe

but i dont think thats that crazy on st

[stiff maple]

WAIT

[sage owl]

i mean next patch just go arms or re-roll

[olive wraith]

Isn’t clap>rb during avatar

On live

[stiff maple]

i didn't even notice it was only prot

LOL

[sullen dove]

maybe but even still that doesnt happen too often i feel like

[hot shell]

Time to reroll dk i guess

[sullen dove]

usually enough bts/ramps n stuff

[compact knot]

just play arms yo

[hot shell]

I havent touched arms since Cata man

[vast gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

[compact knot]

if u mean m+

its in one of its best states ever

10x more fun then fury

[vast gorge]

not about to re-run mythics to replace all my haste/mastery gear

[compact knot]

heres the funny part

you dont

just recraft

[serene socket]

choosing to practice arms this week is about to pay off

[compact knot]

slap a crit flask

and ur good

thats what i did atleast

to be fair i already had very good arms pieces in my inventory because well...

i havent sold any item so far

[hot shell]

I see so many dupes

[olive wraith]

Replace jewlery

[worn yoke]

[worn yoke]

WE BACK BOIS

[compact knot]

its rough

[worn yoke]

[compact knot]

i need to replace my fury gloves

i have the seat gloves and they have vers

[bitter palm]

i got seat gloves

at 289

[compact knot]

lmfao

major L

[worn yoke]

AKA no changes to reap and tclap/blast heading into 12.0.5

[hot shell]

Ill just Stick to fury and pray to.. idk who yet to make fury great again

[sage owl]

? bro its only to prot

[rugged cedar]

How big of an st buff is this?

[olive wraith]

Check again

[worn yoke]

i got way too excited. sad themes can resume

[worn yoke]

the slayer fix made me unable to read for a moment there. disregard

[compact knot]

need to spam some windrunners for those gloves

drops some haste and gets 70 crit

[olive wraith]

It’s still a nerf pretty sure

[compact knot]

very good pair of globes

then i can use recklessness potion for crit

• weapon proc + vorasius trinket

[bitter palm]

ye im reck potting

[compact knot]

i have 100% crit

BANGGG

[bitter palm]

xdd

[hot shell]

The 2x random myth track rolls will be implemented next week too right ?

[tulip bear]

it looks like the storm surge revert is only prot?

and fury thane is still being hit?

[hollow cove]

Did they reverse the change just for protection?

[olive wraith]

Seems so

[languid willow]

Yea change is only reverted for prot

And I guess minor buff to ST slayer

[quiet geyser]

I think that was just a typo/mistake on their end

[tulip bear]

devs are genuinely clueless at this point

[olive wraith]

Overall nerf no?

[quiet geyser]

theres no way they revert prot but leave fury thane ass

[languid willow]

I mean if they didn’t revert the change to fury thane

[worn yoke]

watch them. we will all be slayer in 1.5 weeks

[hot shell]

Fury is the most fun spec. Blizzard doesnt like fun.

[languid willow]

We are looking at like a 8-12% aoe nerf imo

But that’s just a snowball guess

[spare oriole]

Well, on the PTR the change is reverted for Fury as well. So perhaps it's just a goof in the writing of the notes folks.

[scarlet swift]

Where st buff

https://tenor.com/view/huh-what-where-why-how-gif-11254825541557537884

[languid willow]

It’s just you don’t need 2 targets to proc reap

In slayer

[olive wraith]

For SD

[languid willow]

With sudden death

Yea

[olive wraith]

You’re still losing bt reaps

[spare oriole]

And BS got a 20% buff.

[olive wraith]

Ya so it’s roughly net neutral I’m guessing

[languid willow]

Yea but ww procs reap now guys

Yipee

[wind token]

it doesnt

[olive wraith]

It doesn’t

[languid willow]

Oh I thought it did

On ptr?

[olive wraith]

It’s on ramp in aoe

[languid willow]

Oh wait nvm

It does

Rend

Nvm

[languid willow]

So just made that a useless button

Who knows maybe the rend change on ww

Idek I’m playing dk for keys anyways so it’s whatever, after I saw those thane changes it was over

[hot shell]

Atleast we get free rend as slayer now eh

[spare oriole]

Making WW proc Rend is a really good change imo. But I also think they should delete Rend from the game so... 👀

[olive wraith]

It’s counter to their “iconic” stance

[sage owl]

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/eu/12-0-5-ptr-development-notes-610519

maybe it is changhed for fury too

[upbeat cedar]

i ❤️ rend

[hot shell]

Rend was an arms thing.
Bladestorm is a warrior thing.
Make bladestorm baseline.

[sage owl]

doesnt say mt nerfs in there

[spare oriole]

You mean you don't love choosing between BS and Avatar?! Shocking! /s

[dusk knot]

i wish they would go all in on the rending meta and give us more bleeds to inflicts kinda like an affliction warlock

[olive wraith]

We have 5 bleeds

It’s that more dots than aff rn

Isn’t that*

[dusk knot]

ye but we should have to manage them and keep them up manually i think it would be more fun

[olive wraith]

No thanks

[hot shell]

Lets talk about the fact that the first Boss in seat is immune to bleed effects

[olive wraith]

They literally changed feral off of that

[cloud carbon]

no thanks, i prefer to stop playing the game xD

keeping dots on things as melee is not fun

[sage owl]

you guys see this? notes just now and i dont see mt nerf for fury anymore, guess the other was a typo for just prot

[dark sable]

wait yeah they are goen here

[red berry]

didnt even notice that LMAO what a joke

[dark sable]

is that a typo on their end they forgot?

[spare oriole]

There is a server restart on PTR in 12mins, we'll see then I guess. No Thane nerfs on PTR atm.

So it looks like a typo.

[sage owl]

hopefully was just atypo for only prot lol

[scarlet swift]

Regardless of all typos.

No st buffs?

[dim spindle]

I'm betting 5 gold that it was a mistake and it's reverted for both

Hell I'll make it 10 gold. That's how positive I am about it.

The chance is greater than 0. THat's all I'm saying

[hot shell]

Ill bet 20 gold that if they revert it for fury we will get nerfed somewhere else

[dim spindle]

No takers? I thought not.

[red berry]

idk why they've been a little slow to buff underperformers in the niches they need tuning in. not specifically just speaking about fury here

[olive wraith]

Bs is an arms thing

[strong crag]

10 ounces of gold RL or ingame gold?

[dark sable]

ARe you on to see if they are there or not

[scarlet swift]

Lbs

[spare oriole]

Yes, I'm online on the PTR right now.

[dark sable]

after restart yeah

[spare oriole]

Yeah I'll see if there are any changes.

[dark sable]

both

[humble knot]

If we’re not top dmg shut down the discord, worked for both other plate classes

[red berry]

on the note of PTR, why do the crafted weapons go down in level

[spare oriole]

No idea, I was so confused when I logged in to this! xD

[scarlet swift]

Realistically, pretend it’s m14, fury vs arms, as is now, what’s the diff overall? 10% 40%? Trash and boss

[strange drift]

Thus

[bitter palm]

.

called it

[hot shell]

Overall its roughly 15-20%

Just watch noxivs pit 19, critcakes pit 19 and compare the numbers.

Arms does double aoe, sometimes more

[red berry]

is slayer arms getting any changes aside from the 20% bladestorm?

[bitter palm]

@radiant plank

im actually a prophet or what

[humble knot]

Isn’t arms still gonna be trash on bosses unless they play slayer

[bitter palm]

no

[noble cliff]

🌭

[scarlet swift]

Ya i watch crit, I’ve been fury forever, he’s my benchmark

[red berry]

🌭

[hot shell]

But... but.... critcake prefers arms

Noxiv is your fury guy. Critcake is your arms guy

[bitter palm]

if u can pull something on top of boss colo mogs both

both fury and slayer arms

[scarlet swift]

He prefers to be good, and that’s arms right now

Anywho

Buffs when

[olive wraith]

It didn’t

[hot shell]

Any melee who prefers to be good is playing unholy

Then again, unholy is a range specc at this point

[bitter palm]

unholy "melee"

[scarlet swift]

Ret too

[bitter palm]

rets a lot more melee than uhdk no

[scarlet swift]

Warrior is the only melee plate

[indigo arch]

Really hope next week adds some fury tuning to prevent going colossus lmao

[bitter palm]

boj is melee or am i lost

[humble knot]

Yeah I play unholy it’s a ranged dps

[bitter palm]

wait no boj isnt melee i dont remember

last time i played ret was in s3 df

[hot shell]

Boj has range

[indigo arch]

The entire ret rotation has some range

[bitter palm]

is it 30yd like unholy chatting

[indigo arch]

Including the wake cone

only part that isn't is the autoattack holy power gainer talent

that's it

Nearly as ranged as unholy is with it's 20 yd scrouge strikes

wonder what utility warrior brings that enables melee ranged specs that do more dam

surely it's that 1.5m 30% movement speed buff

[hot shell]

Now, lets list warriors glorious range dmg options:

1. Heroic throw. Great for onesotting bosses. In old content.
2. Wrecking throw. Great for running out of melee range to kick that one caster none of your group Kicks cause they all deal more dmg than you

[bitter palm]

colo gonna own both in .5

[indigo arch]

I hope it at least does that

[bitter palm]

already does in aoe

[indigo arch]

because trying it so far I despise it lmao

[bitter palm]

colo or

[indigo arch]

colossus

[bitter palm]

idk what is there to despise

[indigo arch]

slayer feels a bit better but straight up does heaps less dam

[bitter palm]

uhdk is fucking awful to play

[tranquil gazelle]

so do i have to learn arms

[bitter palm]

2 button rotation

[indigo arch]

if you are doing keys, yes

[hot shell]

Do u wanna be good ?

[bitter palm]

most boring spec ive ever played

by far

[indigo arch]

unless you have a 5 stack enabling you playing fury

Arms just flatout slaps fury at present and it's gonna get worse with .5

(in m+)

[tranquil gazelle]

F

[hot shell]

Thing is

If they nerf cleave, arms will die a lil death again

[indigo arch]

Arms deserves the strength it is getting

fury doesn't however deserve to be dogshit

to further enable it

These back to back buffs shoulda been happening in beta

[tranquil gazelle]

time to google babys first slayer arms guide

[indigo arch]

not well into the season

prob should be happy they remembered a warrior dps spec to begin with during s1

and let it be

[olive wraith]

What keys are you pushing

[astral path]

I’ve been playing colossus and man that shit is stupid

Why can’t fury pump like that

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/760970662474547271/1490212870644957419/DOGNERD.gif

[hot shell]

I just cant warm up with arms. I love my glorious Button mashing Berserker playstyle

[bitter palm]

[astral path]

Fury slayer should be doing 1m dps surely

[astral path]

Once I got the hang of it

It’s almost as much buttons to mash

Kinda a little less

Give us like 25% aura buff pls

Or discord shutdown

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1044053532866773052/1253374913453228152/togif.gif

[hot shell]

I played a bit of arms in tww s2 when fury was in a real bad state

[indigo arch]

Entirely remove target cap on odyn/thunder blast/clap and make rampaging ruin simply cast off of rampages as a damage proc

gg, fury saved in keys

the fact that rampaging ruin DOESN'T blast a big aoe and fundamentally makes rampage suck is wild

[bitter palm]

20 maisara

[random shadow]

hm might be the time i swap to arms next week

[bitter palm]

i dont think 25% would make slayer fury do this much

[scarlet swift]

Warriors are so forgotten that they forget to update their patch notes

[indigo arch]

25% wouldn't make thane fury do that

tbh

[hot shell]

Blizzard should be forced to play their own game, all classes included

[indigo arch]

10 fury keys 18-20+ range a day

every day

they get to eat if they top dam

They either starve or start tuning

[scarlet swift]

Pugging?

[indigo arch]

absolutely

no 5 stacks

[scarlet swift]

I can’t even get invited to 9s

[indigo arch]

feels like warrs getting invited mainly if they took week1 off

to get early io

can't imagine trying to get invs as lower io as dps warr

shit would be CBT

[scarlet swift]

I started last week

[indigo arch]

rip

[spare steppe]

so MT still is getting nerfed 😭

[indigo arch]

no, it's not

[scarlet swift]

265, 1450 io, aotc heroic raider

[spare oriole]

I get insta-invited on my warrior. 👀

[scarlet swift]

265ilvl

[indigo arch]

thane nerf was revoked

[random shadow]

prot got its changes reverted but no mention for fury

[spare steppe]

it was revoked for prot

[indigo arch]

the issue is, thane also requires buffs

[bitter palm]

ye same when i sign up to 11s at 3700

xdddd

[random shadow]

so its safe to say fury didnt get reverted

for thane

[indigo arch]

Right from the updates channel

from archi

[spare oriole]

I did before I even did any 12s. Just full 10s. My ilvl just carries I guess.

[hot shell]

Archi is not blizzard

[hot shell]

Bluepost says prot only

[random shadow]

right from their notes

[olive wraith]

You’re joking right

[scarlet swift]

Imagine giga nerfing warrior with zero qc, then immediately cancelling it because you’re so fucking incompetent

[indigo arch]

I'm presuming they simply forgot to add fury to that patch note

otherwise lmao

[scarlet swift]

No?

[latent beacon]

pls

[indigo arch]

Because otherwise this is the same dev that nerfed arms in beta, a warrior player 110% put some blizz dev in the corner chair of the bedroom to watch

[tranquil gazelle]

brother i play on a steam deck, switching specs is a 5 hours job

[olive wraith]

Saying you’re not getting invites at 1500 Rio gotta be bait

[indigo arch]

invites been weird

I got declined to a +10 nexus trying to farm the ring for arms

Needed 3600 instead of 3450 obv

[olive wraith]

There’s probably 29 others in que

[indigo arch]

probably is actually nvm

everyone tryna 2pc

[hot shell]

Im not even getting invited to 10s. I gotta leech off of my tank friends

[scarlet swift]

I posted this in critcord

See what takes me?

7 and under

[modest condor]

last i checked thane was still 50%/50% for fury on the ptr, so it may just be blizzard making a weird bluepost

[indigo arch]

See that's what I figured

shit's a typo/forgot

[random shadow]

questioning why i decieded to come back to the warrior every week of this season

[scarlet swift]

The incompetence is criminal

Nothing will be done but it’s a joke that we pay

[indigo arch]

They already got verbally slapped hard for letting arms go live like this, if they effectively killed fury when it's already middling too that'd be peak head dented

[modest condor]

you'd be surprised how often blueposts dont line up with reality

[hot shell]

https://tenor.com/view/i-too-enjoy-pain-pain-national-theatre-live-oliver-chris-gif-16794468

[modest condor]

sometimes changes they announce just never even go through

other times the numbers are completely off

just as often a change that happened never makes it into a bluepost

[gleaming crag]

We need to cry harder and get it reversed for fury too

[scarlet swift]

/cast ignore pain

[indigo arch]

tbh we need far more than a revert at this point

everyone has their tier

it's gg

[hot shell]

If they actually played their own game before deciding to Release changes, the notes would not even be changed that often

[olive wraith]

Pretty sure people been complaining

[indigo arch]

people have, nonstop

they have their earplugs in

[scarlet swift]

So basically we’re net the same, assuming revert, while everyone else gets a real balance in some form.

So purely neglected

[indigo arch]

can't read feedback from their braile monitors with their braille keyboards

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[latent beacon]

give us mas rez shout cd with no cast

:]

[random shadow]

id like lust

[indigo arch]

Aoe bres shout would actually be fire nvm

[latent beacon]

crazy we dont have lust

[indigo arch]

I hate having to locate the dead person to physically run up to

[random shadow]

it kinda make sense tho

warrior should dbe able to lust

[hot shell]

The fact that we do not have a shout that has a bloodlust effect is infuriating

[echo scarab]

mass brez shout but its Kill or be Killed

[latent beacon]

that sounds great

[random shadow]

but noo shaman hordes can have bloodlust

but not the raging warrior spec

[scarlet swift]

Kill or be killed should be ankh, but last for 90 seconds

[latent beacon]

im sure they mentioned about having the idea of giving warriors a brez in tww

then we got nothing

[hot shell]

A dragon that warps time, a hunter that cries.. but no warrior that shouts to Inspire his alles?

[random shadow]

idc about beraz tbh

[bitter palm]

idc about either lust or brez we have good util

[scarlet swift]

We do?

[hot shell]

We. Need. A. Bloodlust. Shout. With a very specific sound

[bitter palm]

if u think our util is bad idk what to tell you

[hot shell]

https://tenor.com/view/warcraft-we-will-never-be-slaves-hell-scream-wow-slave-gif-5506190

[bitter palm]

we have 34095384 stops

infinite defensives

group defensive

[scarlet swift]

Infinite?

[spare oriole]

Dstance is insane

[bitter palm]

im 274 and i dont take dmg on 19s

[scarlet swift]

Enraged Regen should be free baseline

[bitter palm]

as slayer arms

the squishiest warrior

[hot shell]

Dont say we in fury Chat if you talk about arms

[bitter palm]

just drop executioners wrath or massacre its not a big loss at all

ye it sucks that u can just not take ur wall

but not much u can do about it

if im not taking dmg as slayer arms

fury is taking even less

especially thane

[scarlet swift]

Taking dmg isn’t even an issue, it’s doing dmg

[bitter palm]

we were talking about defensives not damage

fury is literally just behind dk in tankiness

[scarlet swift]

Defensive were never an issue though, why is it brought up

[bitter palm]

u brought it up

i listed our util

[hot shell]

We are also "just behind dks" in dmg

[bitter palm]

defensives is util

[slim coral]

arms is too

holy its so reliant on def stance in high keys

either that or you need a goated healer

cause pug healers struggle

[bitter palm]

idk most high damage casts are predictable

[slim coral]

talking about aoe

unavoidable

[bitter palm]

idk i just dbts if i dont know whats gonna hit me

[slim coral]

like the first pull in winrunner

on a 18+ that shit fucks

[bitter palm]

ye i just dbts there and cc chain the pack

[dark sable]

i feel like we should just get lust

seems fair

[rigid stirrup]

why waste dbts when you can dstance n save it

[bitter palm]

cause u lose dmg

by dstancing

[indigo totem]

Save it for what? The next pull is piss.

[rigid stirrup]

like you're def not popping dbts if you get the line break mech on first boss of nexus point

more than once

[bitter palm]

ye ofc

u just dstance it

we were talking about big pulls with random unavoidable dmg

like after 2nd boss magisters

when u pull everything up to tyrant

might be an illegal pull on 20s+ but on 19 its doable

i never died there despite us being sloppy as fuck with casts going through

[slim coral]

yeah just saying you notice how squishy arms is in comparison

thats all

[bitter palm]

compared to fury ye

fury can just not dstance

just natty take everything

but also dk explodes to phys if ibf on cd

[rigid stirrup]

just want fury slayer to come back for keys

[bitter palm]

i feel tankier to phys dmg

[rigid stirrup]

so burnt out of thane

[hot shell]

It might do in 0.5

[bitter palm]

i can dstance phys as dk i can just spam death strike and pray

[scarlet swift]

You don’t like tclap every 2nd cast?

We can revert to raging spam

[bitter palm]

ig sanlayn helps a lot

[rigid stirrup]

rather spin than clap tbh

[hot shell]

Slayer feels more natural

Get rid of thane, give us something cool

[rigid stirrup]

yeah idk how they can design it to be more interesting

[hot shell]

Give us Support barb from d3 instead of having a dragon in the group

[rigid stirrup]

kinda ape brain to say but just proccing random spins gives much dopamine

[hot shell]

https://tenor.com/view/wing-dopamine-beatbox-gif-15981338118522649203

[red berry]

nah reap is a b last imo

[scarlet swift]

Blademaster spec

[hot shell]

Sooo... arms?

[rigid stirrup]

give mirrior images back to warrior

that would go crazy

[hot shell]

Remove OF bonuses from setpieces and give us back hero Talent specific setbonuses

[scarlet swift]

You get onlyfan bonuses?

[hot shell]

You dont ?

[scarlet swift]

I don’t pay, wouldn’t know

[rigid stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/higuruma-higuruma-hammer-throw-higuruma-hammer-higuruma-gavel-throw-higuruma-gavel-gif-8401914417557667405

warrior range spec and have it be like this guy

[scarlet swift]

https://tenor.com/view/gilgamesh-laugh-gilgamesh-fgo-gif-188492253119784609

Gilgamesh

[hot shell]

https://tenor.com/view/random-bullshit-go-moon-knight-random-random-bullshit-gif-25725102

[rigid stirrup]

axe thrower spec might go kinda crazy

maybe have some draven like shit where you ramp based on how many you catch

[scarlet swift]

Throw barb

[echo rapids]

Imagine that kind of mechanic in mythic raiding lol

Sorry gotta yeet into a puddle to catch my axe for +5% dps

[rigid stirrup]

I mean granted its a range spec right

[spare oriole]

Healer issue.

[rigid stirrup]

so it wont be that degen

[echo rapids]

You gotta go soak but your axe went the other way, sorry

[hot shell]

Sounds like gingi during rwf

[echo rapids]

😮

[red berry]

yoooo the PTR gameplay is LIT

[spare oriole]

I thought it was just me! 😄

[echo rapids]

Folks I think the DK grip = raid buff thing is true, M dreamrift without dks is not the play

[rigid stirrup]

not ideal but doable

[wild copper]

What makes a warrior better than dk and paladins to be taken into PvE content?

[olive wraith]

Shout

[dusk knot]

better single and aoe damage

[spare oriole]

2 swords > 1 sword.

[hot shell]

Youll find a new gymbro

[wild copper]

in other words, nothing.

Sad...

[honest tundra]

This

More swag

[wild copper]

Yeah that's cool but that's all.

[hot shell]

Realiatically if a warr and an udk have the same rio the warr is the better Player

[scarlet swift]

Doesn’t matter

[hot shell]

Deep inside it does

[scarlet swift]

This is reality

Doesn’t matter if you’re top 10 in world in your class

[hot shell]

Is that real

[sullen dove]

top 10 world hmmge

[scarlet swift]

Yup

You know what i mean, crit is a high level top tier warrior

[sullen dove]

yea and infinity killed the boss with apook

[young swan]

pretty sure he asked to be benched

[sullen dove]

like its not really necessary/significant atp

[scarlet swift]

For the guild

[young swan]

its still significant just maybe not necessary

only reason infinity played apook is because they're committed to no warrior tank

like 67% sure

[wild copper]

Top warrior have alt mage...
I think blizzard just hate warrior.

[young swan]

its more like weaponized incompetence

[hot shell]

"If you like warrior, play classic"
-Blizzard

[scarlet swift]

brother, classic warrior is the worst until endgame, and it takes too log to pug to that

[stiff maple]

bro is just sayin shit

[red berry]

we'll be able to see soon.

[stiff maple]

i mean everyone has alts

[hot shell]

Its still a whole week until 0.5
Wouldnt be surprised to see unexpected changes

[wild copper]

yes, but a mage from supplement to supplement always has at least one specialization in the highest tier list and mage have utilities.

[sullen dove]

w inflexible tanks

[scarlet swift]

mages/hunters you cant go wrong

[sullen dove]

"all other players and dps will play meta except for us"

[stiff maple]

not like that guy is main swapping to mage?

i dont understand your point

i dont think warrior is particularly bad in keys

[sullen dove]

67

[young swan]

pretty sure they prep all tanks they just didnt prep prot cause it looked stinky diapies and fury looked solid

and like

[sullen dove]

fury looking solid???????

[young swan]

if fury looks solid and u have apook and gillneas

[sullen dove]

when and where

been turbo dooming raid since like expansion launch i feel like no

[young swan]

they fell victim to the vil and xeos propaganda in the first month

[sullen dove]

classic xeos

spreading falsehoods and lies

[compact knot]

anything look off...

+15 btw

[spare oriole]

Org Cloak? xD

[compact knot]

he was wearing it the whole time

[spare oriole]

But did you still top damage?

[compact knot]

we timed it

[hot shell]

https://tenor.com/view/a-lot-of-damage-gif-21579882

[compact knot]

i kinda full wiped our party lmfao

but didnt die myself

[stiff maple]

#beastmode

[compact knot]

did like 600k dps on a pack at the end of maisara

the ones when their shields exploade do like big aoe burst damage

i popped sr but my party did not

[hot shell]

Now do it as fury

[wild copper]

I mean, if you choose who take into key warrior, dk or paladin, it's actually a choice between dk and paladin.

[olive wraith]

Warriors have a lot of solid stops

[compact knot]

why would i play the worse spec

yo let me just do 200k dps on a pack with 10 mobs

ill pass

[stiff maple]

idk not rly

i'd take a good warrior over a mid dk/pally

[hot shell]

Why does the truth always hurt so much

[stiff maple]

you're pretty tanky and you do good dps

[olive wraith]

Pick Rio/highest timed

[stiff maple]

of course people are going to shift towards the meta game but they're also stupid

bshout is great if you have other phys

[scarlet swift]

not many phys left

[stiff maple]

dk and ret and hunter are pretty strong

[olive wraith]

And isn’t brew good rn

[compact knot]

brew very strong

[stiff maple]

brew is the tank in like 90% of keys lmao

[compact knot]

the meta healer and tank slot is either druid or monk in both of the slots

[stiff maple]

idk if its actually that oppresively strong but its at least the most common by a lot

[compact knot]

its bear/brewmaster or mw/rdruid

[olive wraith]

Pretty easy to make a phys comp then

[scarlet swift]

where lust

[olive wraith]

Hunter

[sullen dove]

a shaman lol

[compact knot]

hunter

[sullen dove]

or that ig

but warr like shaman

sky fury

[compact knot]

ele isnt bad but

doesnt fit into a phys comp

[olive wraith]

Could very well do resto sham then

[modest condor]

resto shaman feral druid

[sullen dove]

get big feral in there

[olive wraith]

Easy

[compact knot]

last slot maybe dk

[olive wraith]

Pretty flexible

[compact knot]

dk unkillable, good util

[hot shell]

Dk deserves to be bad for the next 5 xpacs

[stiff maple]

any knowers on what spec is hitting the egg the hardest

[modest condor]

windwalker

[stiff maple]

im playing slarms and i cant imagine its much different between anything else

sorry idid mean. warrior

[modest condor]

oh

in that case

windwalker

(bench the warrior)

[stiff maple]

that was my alt but we dont have a prot warrior!!

[compact knot]

ele and ww

actually

its aug

but

[modest condor]

im pretty sure you genuinely get more egg damage if you just dont bring a warrior

[compact knot]

i think arms is actually good on beloren but w/e

nobody plays arms in high guilds and im benched

[stiff maple]

thats what i felt too

[hot shell]

"Your specc doesnt matter for raid" is what they say

[stiff maple]

i've only seen fury but i swear arms has to be better

[compact knot]

it just is idk

[inner zinc]

Fury's girth is really helpfully during prog

[sullen dove]

eroka killed as arms psure

[compact knot]

psure its just better on paladins, crown, beloren and then its like 50/50 on l'ura

[compact knot]

hidden logs

idk if he posted tho

[sullen dove]

yea

[compact knot]

see if i can find a honestly stream

[sullen dove]

imagine zorthas has a vid

just idk if youll see much of the warrior on it lol

[compact knot]

oh yeah they lucked into a kill early into the week

[stiff maple]

yea eroka was arms

[compact knot]

9th

112k

[stiff maple]

🔥

[compact knot]

not sure how much of that augged

13th on the meters pmuch

cause of aug

[sullen dove]

think its mostly better in p1 just not like omega burst on egg

think he was talkin bout saving a 5stack heroic strike cs for egg tho

[compact knot]

idk it felt good on the egg in heroic

[sullen dove]

prolly worth

[drowsy heron]

wait, are the Thane changes only for Prot?

[young swan]

@queen coyote

[compact knot]

like i did 240k on the egg in heroic i think

got like 2 executes during execute off

i imagine the 2nd p2 intermission arms owns even harder

its rng though

you drop a mm hunter for a warrior then switch the other tank to either blood or a 2nd bear

first egg happens around 2 mins in

can get a 2nd avatar about 1 min in

have to make sure you have BS though

spec is too rng idk

[stiff maple]

i hate the rng

[scarlet swift]

Subscribble for more GPU saving tricks, see you tomorrow!

[keen kindle]

Why are you in dorn

[wild sonnet]

Game runs smoother there is my guess

[wraith wharf]

from their post, less people so game runs smoother but can still open vault

[keen kindle]

Wait

[sullen dove]

open that shit in shadowlands vault ong

[keen kindle]

You can open vaults in older content?

Wtf it was disabled last i saw for valdrakken

[slim coral]

wait that's cinema

I'm doing that

[coarse nest]

whatch that shit open bugged at 70 ilvl

[keen kindle]

Anyone remeber that one week

Where you could get duplicate items in the vault

That shit was hilarious

[modest condor]

i member

[keen kindle]

You get the same myth track bracer

Fuck you no roll baxk

[coarse nest]

imagine weapon in there

omega

[keen kindle]

You get a full vault of myth pit hammers

That is pure cinema

[chilly zodiac]

is the upcoming changes even relevant to anything?

[olive wraith]

Ya thane dead

[worn yoke]

think again. Changes reverted. Blizz update notes are just cooked

[frank dawn]

are they tho

lol

[olive wraith]

I mean, they clearly reverted prot

[unkempt oasis]

For prot...?????

[olive wraith]

And didn’t do fury

[sage owl]

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/eu/12-0-5-ptr-development-notes-610519

most recent notes

no thane nerf

[olive wraith]

Didn’t they revert the ww reap

[sage owl]

doesnt look like it

[olive wraith]

Bro that top section is from march

[sage owl]

its all the updated ptr notes.

[olive wraith]

By release date no?

The bottom being the most recent

[sage owl]

oh shit

yeh lmao rip

[olive wraith]

Feel like Blizz would have put reverted in fury as well

[sage owl]

aight yeh i read wrong, fury deadge then

[olive wraith]

Just thane

[drowsy heron]

thats what i was curious about, not sure why they only listed it under Prot

[sage owl]

slayer aint that better

[olive wraith]

Slayer got some aoe buffs I think

Maybe neutral st

Either way. It’s not losing much if any

So it’ll still be playable

[sage owl]

just gonna wait for the data ppl to do their thing

[worn yoke]

unless im not up to date, fury slayer ST down due to bloodthirst not proccing Reap anymore. But AOE is up with 3+target rampage proccing reap at 15% as well as saving globals on rend application as well as higher rend uptime through IWW

unless ive misunderstood the slayer notes and they are not removing the reap proc off bloodthirst ( and mortal strike)

[olive wraith]

They are

But bs buffs will shore up a little st

And they reverted the SD reap nerf

Also 20% proc chance

[drowsy heron]

yea 20% proc on ramp, 20% buff to BS and SD still the same

and i think we spam Ramp mopre than BT so its an AoE buff i think

will be nice to officially take Rend off my bars

[frank dawn]

good thing fury isn't the worst boss damage spec and has single target damage it can lose

(I like the changes) lol

hopefully some more tuning to come next week

[drowsy heron]

hopefully, would like RB buffs personally

feel like taking slayer back to RB would be big for our ST cause it would also boost AAs

[chilly zodiac]

Minus on ST

[frank dawn]

on one hand, I would like slayer to have the RB build be good. But also, I'm pretty firmly in the camp since they made the change that BT prio plays better

[drowsy heron]

still taking it off, it procs off WW

[chilly zodiac]

Only on 3+ targets right?

[frank dawn]

it reads like any whirlwind at all will apply rend to any number of targets hit

but I never downloaded this ptr to check myself

[hot shell]

Thats what it does

As long as u have improved ww skilled

[frank dawn]

yeh

[hot shell]

Doesnt matter if 1 or 50 targets

[copper parcel]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/more-class-tuning-for-druids-and-warriors-in-patch-12-0-5-ptr-development-notes-381217?utm_source=discord-webhook

its official ... thane is saved T.T

[olive wraith]

Read again

[copper parcel]

OW FUCK

[olive wraith]

Sure, still not trusting it

[copper parcel]

ah yea.. so it is saved

[hot shell]

Its saved once its Equally Buffed to arms

[copper parcel]

[olive wraith]

Don’t have to be equal to arms to be playable

[hot shell]

Noone said it would

You still will struggle getting into keys with the weaker specc regardless

[olive wraith]

You’ll struggle to get into keys as dps

What flavor warrior won’t really change that unless one is meta