Almost def over bt not sure about ramp
#fury
sullen dove
sand thistle
Especially on aoe
sullen dove
Wowhead not say?
I think aoe sd better probably
procs reaps on more targets rly don’t want to munch those procs
sand thistle
Yea
sullen dove
Vs wasting like 10 or so rage
fading sky
Agreed
sand thistle
Feels like ye
Btw been playing ruin in aa and mt and its been pretty fun
As slayer
Catching up to ferals and rets on those big pulls
inner zinc
So now were back to SD being 100% proc and rampage proc'ing at 15% if 3+ targets?
sullen dove
20% but yes
inner zinc
oh man were so back
sand thistle
Slayer gaming baby
inner zinc
thane not being snipped is also pretty cool too
inner zinc
yeah, but i dont feel like its the last of the changes were gonna see >.>
sand thistle
It is*
edgy widget
Good thing that ww will apply rend too
it's almost more bad than good tbh
real bandaid fix that should have been addressed with rend specifically, rather than trying to shoehorn it into Improved Whirlwind
edgy widget
depending on how optimal you want to be, sure
just means never taking Enraged Regen again
sand thistle
real bandaid fix that should have been addressed with rend specifically, rather ...
Maybe they are planning something larger for 12.1 and this is jus as you said bandaid
Rend feels like a warrior signature ability but the implementation is very strange
inner zinc
Burst of power feels so clunky to use sometimes in aoe. Imagine if Tclap also worked with it. No more clunkiness in aoe just clap spam 
undone flower
just means never taking Enraged Regen again
not necesserly, if pure ST, you still can just keybind rend itself
and take ER
edgy widget
again, it depends on how optimal you want to be
a Whirlwind that generates rage and triggers Rend is outright better than Rend alone
undone flower
yeah i just checked dmg diff of ww and rend, it's so small
inner zinc
ww gets you closer to your next rampage though
edgy widget
the worst part about Rend is that its an global that doesn't generate rage
and however small Rend or Whirlwind's direct damage may be, getting both is still twice as good as getting one alone
does that mean you need to take Imp WW for purposes of applying Rend in single target? Of course not
are some people going to feel compelled to anyway? Of course they are
sullen dove
i mean i just never dont have it specced
undone flower
i never pressed slam in TWW so i'm not the target audience if it's too low of a gain
sullen dove
what pure st are you fighting in this game right now ever
normal vorasius maybe
who dies before even spawning adds
undone flower
what pure st are you fighting in this game right now ever
a new raid comes out in .7 and S2
sullen dove
yea and there may be some real st fights there
well.. the .7 one almost certainly wont matter in any real sense
just something fun to do
maybe itll be hard but would think hopefully not since everyones max ilvl by then
undone flower
Unaat returns 
sullen dove
and if its tuned to be omega hard for rwf'ers then just fuck the rest of us ig
undone flower
i have a hard time to imagine it being hard so late
sullen dove
altho it cant be easy enough for someone like liquid to kill in a few hours cuz then itd be more meme fuel for the fire
7peat kill a boss before eu even gets it on their reset
lean heart
im still baffled by this obsession they have with rend
sullen dove
even if fake boss that doesnt matter some people will be annoying as hell about it lol
inner zinc
im more baffled they cant make it work
sudden tusk
i gotta feeling its gonna have some stupid ring that has a sick damage proc you use almost the entirety of next tier
lean heart
sullen dove
that would be kinda fire ngl
undone flower
im still baffled by this obsession they have with rend
it's not really an obsession, they want to give us passive dmg it seems, they have a hard time to find how
sullen dove
the dumb .7 random power ring from last 2 expansions but off a boss this time
rather that than circlet and annulet real shit
make you work for it al ittle
lean heart
primordial stones pepela
somber elk
guess its still thane for keys in next patch right?
undone flower
thats a big gamba
sullen dove
yea tho slayer is slightly buffed
lean heart
its arms for keys to be real
inner zinc
if slayer is just slightly behind im switching anyway
sullen dove
reap proccing off ramp instead of bt generally better
but yea arms is owning both anyway
undone flower
and tier set rng 🔮
somber elk
reap proccing off ramp instead of bt generally better
damn rampage proccing reap now?
sullen dove
only on aoe but yeah
somber elk
ah damn, so no reap st?
sullen dove
sd exe will still work on st
inner zinc
SD procs reap now
sullen dove
just only that
sullen dove
probably somewhat arms had more changes than just for slayer i think
dont think fury's own talents were affected much at all just moving hero talent shit around
lean heart
slayer arms lowk slapping rn
sullen dove
like slam giving deep wounds n shit
inner zinc
is arms still made out of paper?
sullen dove
think arms arguably been tankier than fury... at the very least dbts is an op cd ur actually able to take
south lintel
On paper reap proccing more makes slayer look viable af no?
sullen dove
its not much more just a bit more
somber elk
bs buffs also?
sullen dove
just compare any amount of ramp casts to bb/bt casts, ramps probably slightly higher but not by much
sullen dove
ong
inner zinc
recklessness gonna feel more like a proper cd in aoe for slayer
undone flower
BB already hits like a truck
sullen dove
yea that too cuz it procs off ramp instead of bt even if its around the same number of reap procs overall they'll be concentrated more in your cds
since u get 50 rage rampages and hit ramp all that more often during them
so that should make slayer cds good bit better too
dense elbow
bs buffs also?
BS buffs, but BS can no longer Reap RNG swing dam 
no more low rolls
sullen dove
doubt comes close to thane either way but still improvement
south lintel
Took me a week to get use to spamming bt after not touching it all season
sullen dove
well ur still spamming bt
if rb hasnt been fixed yet
its just bt doesnt give reap anymore
and u might prio ramp a teeny bit more during slayer cds if that change even matters
like sending off one final 50 rage ramp before reck ends to maybe get that rage cost reduced reap still proc with reck up
lean heart
real shit unless they giga buff slayer fury somehow youre still prob just gonna play thane in raid
sullen dove
idk most of the thane bosses are kind of ass now
as everyone gets more gear and not to mention damage buffs inc
lean heart
thats true also
dense elbow
I will ramp ramp ramp, and noone will say I did a mistake 
spin and ramp again some more
sullen dove
and im psure there'll still be a turbo boost system where everyone getsl ike 7+ ilvl past 289 anyway
no chance thane is useful anywhere once that happens
fading sky
just compare any amount of ramp casts to bb/bt casts, ramps probably slightly hi...
But opens up for rb buid
south lintel
Increase reap dmg
fading sky
Thats the interresting part
dense elbow
https://tenor.com/view/radio-disco-polo-polski-rock-mp3-pozdrowienia-gif-1456085...
Perfect
sullen dove
yea i mean not sure if bt being better than rb had everything to do with it proccing reap, maybe bt value will go down slightly from this but i think just like baseline bt is still a much better button
and also having some execute value too for free
possibly take a few more rb talents if it comes to that might spice things up a little bit
but idk still have a potential like week and a half to get more tweaks
will have all the talent technologia by the time .5 releases 
dense elbow
So what you are saying, there is still hope to see OF buffs
sullen dove
as a converted arms enjoyer tho i be chillin
maybe
idk if super likely but just maybe
dense elbow
Maybe it is
sullen dove
see its like not op in m+ and its not op on st its just kinda op for shitter adds that die in raid
and the faster they die the better of is
quartz wharf
are they going to fix the whole running out of buttons whirlwind filler thing with slayer?
sullen dove
shouldnt be a very common occurence
psure on a 5minute st sim slayer hits ww maybe once or twice
in that entire time
u have a lot of other buttons to press
dense elbow
That happens? Sounds like you dont play around your rage bank
sullen dove
ramp/exe/bt/rb/rend/wrecking
inner zinc
also why does Tblast still do less dmg than Tclap 
undone flower
That happens? Sounds like you dont play around your rage bank
Yes but similar occurrence as TWW like 1 or 2 on a raid fight
sullen dove
yea thats like the weirdest thing feel like tblast should be buffed a tiny bit to make your cooldowns feel like cooldowns but all the other procs n shit it does tend to make it better
dense elbow
Yes but similar occurrence as TWW like 1 or 2 on a raid fight
Reminds me of annhi rotation, where ppl said they had dead GCDs all the time
And that only happened if you were bad (or once every 3-5 min)
sullen dove
i think because tblast is stormstrike damage and if im not mistaken tclap is only physical dmg, psure with like combined damage type spells it accounts for the type that has the least resistance, like tblast might do more to mobs because its skipping the armor since part of stormstrike is nature damage and magic ignores armor, but the physical only tclap is still reduced by armor
so tooltip to tooltip they can look the same but one does like 20-30% more damage
i could also just be making some shit up tho that would be fun too
undone flower
yep
sullen dove
ik the damage types of each spell says that im just not sure if the stormstrike ignoring armor thing is correct
i think it is and ive heard that somewhere
but shrugga
sudden tusk
Tclap is just in this akward spot where it technically does more on paper damage, but it doesnt guarentee proc a lightning strike/ and more aoe through ground current, while also having a higher chance to give you burst of power through that guarenteed lightning strike
edgy widget
yea i mean not sure if bt being better than rb had everything to do with it proc...
na BT is still better
sullen dove
yea tblast is without a doubt still a better button its just not super clear
inner zinc
ground current does pretty poor dmg
sudden tusk
so Tblast IS better and givning you more BTs to get more tblasts is good
ground current is kinda mid, but its still somethin
edgy widget
ik the damage types of each spell says that im just not sure if the stormstrike ...
stormstrike does ignore armor, that's the whole point of it!
undone flower
i don't mind tblast=tclap dmg basically, i like the rotation it turns into, if that has any influence
edgy widget
Tclap is just in this akward spot where it technically does more on paper damage...
also what people don't realize is that the guaranteed lightning strike from Flashing Skies is an extra strike in addition to the random chance
sudden tusk
even i didnt know that
undone flower
it's more tclap=tblast really i think that really matter
edgy widget
which is to say that a single cast of Thunder Blast can trigger two lightning strikes
- Flashing Skies will always trigger one
- and there's a 25% chance (32.5% during Avatar) to trigger a second as well
timid tide
And also tblast adds a few seconds to avatar, right?
sudden tusk
ya
edgy widget
its an important distinction because it means Thunder Blast gains absolute value (of a whole extra lightning strike) instead of just potential value (compared to the default chance of triggering one)
undone flower
i like milking the random avatar proc
timid tide
It's really hard to fit tblast and bloodbath during your burts 😁 I've been neglecting bloodbath and suffered such a DPS loss
undone flower
sullen dove
megumirot 🥀
inner zinc
yeah burst of power is pretty clunky to use in aoe
i wish it also worked on tclap so we can just clap away
sudden tusk
alright enough shitposting bed time
sullen dove
what why is that a cook tho
edgy widget
I mean you are clapping away lol, you don't want to not use Rampage
edgy widget
no that would be not great lol
undone flower
burst of power + 
=
sullen dove
edgy widget
cause if you were low enough on rage to want to TC twice in a row anyway, you would just as easily TC -> BB instead
sudden tusk
i mean a lot of thanes power is that they want BT to be a great button, so more bts is big dam
sullen dove
yea but tc being a powerhouse on aoe would assume hitting it more is good
obv itd feel dumb to play
sudden tusk
tclap is also only suped up during avatar as well
sullen dove
just like a somewhat ok way to make use of a proc that otherwise is kinda worthless during cds on aoe
sudden tusk
so you can get lost in the tclap sauce with no avatar active
edgy widget
would it be stronger? Maybe, but who cares?
you don't make design changes to make things stronger, you make design changes to solve a design problem - that idea doesn't
if you want something to be stronger, you just tune it
heavy galleon
Our stronger spell is BT right now ?
undone flower
Rampage
inner zinc
i mean the only reason i want BoP to work on tclap is because BoP makes aoe clunky
sullen dove
just think it would be ideal to not look at a burst of power proc in a 20 target pack and just look at how shiny and press-able 3 bb's in a row is and not ever do that
sudden tusk
?
edgy widget
i mean the only reason i want BoP to work on tclap is because BoP makes aoe clun...
that's the point though, it still would be
sudden tusk
you just alternate BT.clap bt clap ramp clap
idk its a bonus more then a need to consume all stacks NOW
sullen dove
yea its not necessary to do so ofc anyway
edgy widget
- if you're high on rage, you'd still
TC - Ramp - TC - Rampregardless - if you're not high on rage, you'd just trade
TC - BT - RampforTC - TC - Rampinstead; you're not actually affecting any meaningful change
inner zinc
yeah but sometimes you have BoP and you got stacks of Tblast and both proc each other
sullen dove
probably...
sudden tusk
tclap is stronger then rb
sullen dove
i think with zero cds on st that is untrue
timid tide
RB is there to press it when nothing else is available
sullen dove
but with 50% dmg from avatar thing up yea
heavy galleon
RB feels so bad I hope they rework it
edgy widget
it depends on whether you have W&F talented, but RB generates more rage which is why it's prioritized slightly higher outside of Avatar
sullen dove
psure guide says rb>tc on st yeah
undone flower
sullen dove
furys always just like been a revolving door of which filler is the strong one and which one is the piece of shit one
most of the time rb is the best and bt you hit with a weakaura when it has a lot of crit or basically never
undone flower
but its not a very big diff from vague memory between rb>tc and tc>rb
sullen dove
now its the opposite
timid tide
But even on st our of burst you have bt, rampage and execute procs, so kindo no room left for rb
edgy widget
anyway, the real solution to your issue @inner zinc is exactly what they were trying to do with the Storm Surge change - adjusting Thunder Clap's cooldown results in a better cadence, where you can consistently Rampage - TC - Fill - Rampage - TC - Fill, with the filler being Bloodbath/Sudden Death/Odyn's Fury/whatever
sullen dove
i mean out of cds u arent rampaging that often, still like 3-4 global gaps at least and bt can only be pressed once during that time, and unlikely to be banking that many exe charges like u def do somewhat hit rb with a decent ish amount of space for it, but again only for single target and there are not many only st opportunities in the raid where you would play thane for them. the moment u have an iota of aoe to cleave suddenly ur rotation filled with a whole lot more tclaps to keep iww up
timid tide
Do you guys hold on to your executes to have 2x sudden death or press it whenever it's available?
undone flower
sometime it even fade off
inner zinc
anyway, the real solution to your issue <@353356222025564160> is exactly what th...
Do I just ignore BoP when in 6+ target + Avatar up situations?
sullen dove
but outside of cds you'll press exe more often
edgy widget
Do I just ignore BoP when in 6+ target + Avatar up situations?
you ignore BoP all the time lol
inner zinc
I see
edgy widget
just follow the priority
heavy galleon
God, I miss the slayer rotation of fury S3 TWW
sullen dove
yea u pressed like half as many buttons as now
tho it was alot more effective
cds > ramp > bs > 5 rb's in a row > ramp when u cant press rb > repeat
sullen dove
think the craziest thing was just letting it be a 150% dmg reap the entire patch if im not mistaken that never got changed
timid tide
I was prot back then 😁 only started fury with the midnight rework before release
sullen dove
i think dropping it to 125 or even keeping it at a normal 100% strength reap coulda been somewhat warranted for how strong that tierset was
but they gave an olive branch and let us get a taste of what it was like to be almost meta
undone flower
i miss 2p SD giving back a slayer strike 
fading sky
Ghis
sullen dove
yeah as fun as 4set was for m+ losing 2set was actually painful
heavy galleon
Tbh, I miss fury when hero talent doesn't exist
sullen dove
kind of criminal they didnt add that 2set into the 3 new hero talents for slayer
fading sky
yeah as fun as 4set was for m+ losing 2set was actually painful
100%
sullen dove
that thing single handedly made st not feel like complete ass
and would omega fix all of the terrible bs rng on bosses
like 50-60% of the time bs keeps up with reck and ur fine but when it doesnt u wanna just end it all
inner zinc
yeah more sd procs just makes slayer so much smoother
undone flower
the kaching frequency of 2p 
heavy galleon
MT feels like I'm playing prot warrior as fury
undone flower
i wouldn't say smoother, just more dopamine
timid tide
It revolves around tblast
sullen dove
its def smoother in the sense of more reliable procs and more visibly reliable cdr
fading sky
2p shouldda been worked into tree sonehow
timid tide
But MT has a better flow of rotation compared to slayer, I think
undone flower
2p shouldda been worked into tree sonehow
i did bet it would stay
sullen dove
like on some real shit i'll have 50 seconds left on bladestorm and i'll randomly hit 3 executes in a 5 second window and it turns into 15 seconds left on cd
and that can just happen sometimes
heavy galleon
I hope slayer become the go to for M+
sullen dove
other times u can not hit execute for like 20seconds straight or if you do they give no cdr
fading sky
U can play it now
inner zinc
and that can just happen sometimes
followed by a long dry streak
heavy galleon
U can play it now
Yes but MT does a lot of AoE than slayer
fading sky
I mean cdr + rng sucks
undone flower
at least 20% bladestorm buff might fix the bs hold in ST
fading sky
Yes but MT does a lot of AoE than slayer
Its not that vad
heavy galleon
Even Noxiv stop playing slayer in high key
timid tide
Yeah and like BT/BB to do more ST DMG for Thane, so it does better
sullen dove
think thane aoe basically doesnt change anymore from what it is right now if im not mistaken and slayer only goes up a little bit
so gap should be smaller but thane prolly still better
fading sky
"Problem" is thane has almost same st
undone flower
i guess slay st will go lil bit higher no ?
timid tide
It should
undone flower
just with bs buff
inner zinc
make Reckless Abandon transform execute
sullen dove
slayer i think losing some st actually since ramp reap still only on aoe xdd
even tho they get to keep sd reaps
thane st might be higher now!!!! cluegi
heavy galleon
They should buff RB for slayer and make it as TWW.
BT for Thane
RB for slayer
inner zinc
TWW s3 2p feels like a good fix for ST dmg
radiant plank
tho maybe 20% bs makes up for the single target random reaps
idk the random reaps were like 7% of furys dmg
radiant plank
y
sullen dove
wot
sullen dove
that has to be both bt and sd exe
undone flower
how do i check where my reap proc comes from in logs ?
fading sky
Nah
fading sky
Not 7% of only bt
sullen dove
which is im sure most of the reaps
so cant be more than like a 2-3% loss on bt-only reaps surely
sullen dove
i mean bs is good on st
but yea
reap only bt's is like 1.5%
we keep the 4% off execute
and another 1%ish lost from bladestorm unhinged
so 2-2.5% loss or so
radiant plank
fading sky
4%
marble quarry
Hey guys, sup?!
I have a min-max issue here..
How much of priority is execute?
Example..
- Last charge of WW
- One of those: Bloodbath proc OR Execute Proc
- Thunderclap
- Rampage
- The remaining One (Bloodbath OR Execute)
And what if its not bloodbath, but Bloodthirt?
radiant plank
3-4%
sullen dove
Hey guys, sup?!
I have a min-max issue here..
How much of priority is execute?
...
exe is below most of that as thane
undone flower
on a sim basically 23 reap are from BT and 30 from execute
sullen dove
ramp/bb to consume the ww charge then tclap after and go from there
gleaming siren
I think Fury needed the 3% nerf considering Aug gets nerfed by 1%
sullen dove
yea so all 4 sources of bb/bt and both of those during unhinged is the same amount of reaps as sd exe does alone
undone flower
quiet osprey
I think Fury needed the 3% nerf considering Aug gets nerfed by 1%
devourer also getting a fairly decent buff so it all makes sense
fading sky
But does 20% bladestorm equal 4% st?
fading sky
devourer also getting a fairly decent buff so it all makes sense
Thats joke r
quiet osprey
they gonna do like 2m on algathar first pull now lol, they are uncapping the soul stacks, currently it's at max 20 stacks and they will uncap it (huge in aoe, and like a few % in st)
sullen dove
But does 20% bladestorm equal 4% st?
combined 7% so 20% more is like 1.5% more
so not rly lol
my claim of thane may do more st is coming true 
or gap gonna b extremely small now
thane unaffected and slayer losing like 2%ish overall
undone flower
they gonna do like 2m on algathar first pull now lol, they are uncapping the sou...
when?
bc dh has 0 change in the patch note
or i missed it
fading sky
thane unaffected and slayer losing like 2%ish overall
Y snd thane was at best 3% behind
quiet osprey
12.0.5 I think? [here](https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-12-0-5-ptr-development...
or maybe this is outdated and I'm ootl?
undone flower
12.0.5 I think? [here](https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-12-0-5-ptr-development...
thx
wise canyon
Oky gang, I have perhaps the weirdest question. But it has been an issue during the patches I played a lot…
My keyboard arm’s shoulder hurts after a period of playing, be it raiding or m+.. am I just cooked
quiet osprey
fury is not arm friendly
wise canyon
Neither is prot seemingly, guess I am an arms player now
smoky vale
@young swan can this be a sticker?
undone flower
<@137363315817971712> can this be a sticker?
im on a skyhold sticker and not you
undone flower
one day he will tell us what is hidden in his heart
smoky vale
also w linking rank 1 mythic chimaerus hof pug
undone flower
deserved
smoky vale
also happy did you see the one comment the video has
undone flower
envy is his sin
flat river
In my opinion they should buff reap again
Since it's 15% chance on rampage now
And same for arms cleave
Low chance = higher damage
No?
Also, since BT no longer procs reap
Shouldn't they change unhinged to rampage
And while they're at at change the BT crit = next BT 20% more dmg to a talent that buffs rampage like "each crit hit of each rampage attack increases the damage of your next rampage by 10%"
flat river
And then make RB main ability for slayer not BT
flat river
also its 100% on sd
Shhh let me cook
flat river
nah bt still keeps our enrage up
So does rampage?
flat river
Ok and
fading sky
inside bladestormin
flat river
We're spinning anyways
fading sky
he would be concussed afterwards
undone flower
Since it's 15% chance on rampage now
it's 20% on ptr no ?
flat river
undone flower
fading sky
basicly ramp would be spin holy spin of spin
undone flower
remember when originally it was WW
#updates-midnight message here it's 15%
flat river
yeah
i said 15%
someone said 20%
so i said last i checked was 15%
maybe they buffed it
undone flower
yes me bc latest ptr reap % change is the first update link
polar narwhal
Does Whirlwind still apply Rend on PTR?
flat river
so i can spam rampage as slayer in keys
polar narwhal
They should let Odyn's Fury apply Improved Whirlwind again :(
flat river
real
fading sky
They should let Odyn's Fury apply Improved Whirlwind again :(
Real
just for ease of use rlty
subtle lagoon
I guess arms took over lfg, I'm not getting invited anymore and it's been days 
brittle stone
So slayer will be the go to ? Rend applied automatically, ST untouched and MT buffed ?
fallen ginkgo
I dont think slayer will beat thane but its playable for sure
hard rampart
is thane also generally better in raid? I thought for sure it would be slayer, but warcraft logs shows people using thane for almost every boss
undone flower
wait 1 0 sec
loud pine
So is it over for fury mains this season? At least for mythic?
fading sky
???
subtle lagoon
It's jover for fury in m+, but raid should be okay
loud pine
Because.. I parse 95s just for a 250 d wl do more dps than me?
Haven't been invited into a pug in 3 hours
fading sky
M+ parse no meaning
loud pine
It impacts my day so significantly that you don't believe me.
subtle lagoon
arms is more value in aoe for m+
loud pine
Yep..
fading sky
But fury has more st
subtle lagoon
meh
fading sky
Arms is slightly better atm
loud pine
It's so great that m+ is mainly st
fading sky
It is very important in m+
Very
Doesnt show in overall dmg
But if that is what u look at
subtle lagoon
fading sky
U are a dumbass
loud pine
Now that is just rude
fading sky
Nah
undone flower
Pug never pick me xd
i wait more in the group for a tank or healer than in lfg 
fading sky
i wait more in the group for a tank or healer than in lfg <:keks:936231610850897...
This
undone flower
like this 16 NPX i waited 10-30 sec since i started tagging in keys, i waited almost 10 min in the group for a tank
undone flower
i like overall dmg
undone flower
i absolutely obliterated the dmg amp boss
loud pine
Whiff deep
loud pine
When you go into your mom's bedroom perhaps
fading sky
Furys droppin
undone flower
reroll so the avg dmg of fury goes up
brittle stone
M+ or raid ?
undone flower
M+ or raid ?
m+
brittle stone
Overall damage or boss damage ? You can't tell me we're that low on overrall
marble quarry
It's so funny reading the arms/protection channels, then reading back here.
undone flower
Overall damage or boss damage ? You can't tell me we're that low on overrall
overall
fading sky
Its across all keylevels?
loud pine
13-21
quartz musk
Guys, can I ask how the Fury is doing after the tuning? I'm mainly interested in M+, thank you
rain talon
Hey guys, I have a question about crafting. I already have the sword made at item level 285. What's the other item I need to make?
quiet osprey
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1237307555961634826 you have a rundown here, most likely wrist
rain talon
or where I can see what I need to bring and so on
undone flower
Guys, can I ask how the Fury is doing after the tuning? I'm mainly interested in...
Unchanged
undone flower
still mid/fine yes
fading sky
Slayer looses some st
undone flower
Pug never pick me xd
30 sec
fading sky
Happywar is known war
subtle lagoon
16s, kek
rain talon
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1237307555961634826 you have a r...
armbands or hands?¿
i have sword 285
static mountain
im on the ptr now and mybe im just very unlucky but reap seems to barely proc from rampage. it feels less than 20% chance. and its per cast not per rampage hit.
rain talon
I have a question about crafting. I already have the sword made at item level 285. What's the other item I need to make?
armbands or hands?
quartz musk
Can someone explain to me why there is a special group in the tier list for Icy veins: Physical Comp? And what does that group entail besides doing physical damage?
subtle lagoon
armbands or hands?¿
if you can read, it clearly says bracers
fading sky
Can someone explain to me why there is a special group in the tier list for Icy ...
Because?
Its a physical comp?
Which means stuff like monk buff
Warrior buff
Matters more
quartz musk
Because?
So nothing special. This group didn't exist before or I haven't seen it anywhere.
fading sky
It always has existed
Mby not on icy. But its always been a thing
Stackin buffs to maximize dmg
south kayak
Why did they do all these changes just to revert them?
low folio
Better reverting them than just nerfing us
merry jetty
brown is meta
fading sky
Truest
merry jetty
160k all 3 of us, I as arms would've done more if we had 1 add to funnel
undone flower
okok thx i did a good one rn in 16 where i did 178k i was curious what arms do if funnel
dense elbow
Looks to me that we could fit in a solid 50% on OF there, +5% overall would even that out
undone flower
Crackling thunder truly a dmg talent
brittle stone
How do you guys do 166k damage ? I usually sit at 110k, 130k in my best day
vestal root
well i only get big overalls if tanks pull well
brittle stone
One thing I dont dont do often is spamming TC, I only use it to refresh WW and when it's TB?
vestal root
as funky said
summer quail
One thing I dont dont do often is spamming TC, I only use it to refresh WW and w...
oh you're missing out bigtime on largepulls then
undone flower
How do you guys do 166k damage ? I usually sit at 110k, 130k in my best day
On the jellyfish, it really comes down to the tank + ofc you need to be able to 100% dps when it does the pull
bleak topaz
Hey guys, do u know whether hunt is going to stay bis emb?
brittle stone
Usually I use the TC>Rampage> TC> Rampage/ BB only when there is 6 target which isnt so often
Is it viable to do it at 5 targets ?
vestal root
Hey guys, do u know whether hunt is going to stay bis emb?
bis is arcanoweave once you obtain myth wep
bleak topaz
Right. . What about the wrists emb?
fading sky
I think hunt is bis s offhand aint it?
undone flower
Arcanoweave is the wrist embellish
fading sky
Or do we 2 x m weap
vestal root
arcanoweave is on wrists and cloak
honest trail
Aren't 2 Arcano with 2 myths weapons the best?
undone flower
Last time I checked wowhead bis, it was weap + wrists
fading sky
Yup
bleak topaz
😂 so I've got now myth wrists with Arcano, need to farm some more myth to recraft weapon, I've been wondering whether to change emb as well
fading sky
Turbo boost coomin 2 soon tbh
undone flower
Can change
Can just be a m+ diff, like in TWW
indigo girder
So there are no real changes for thane fury ?
dense elbow
Turbo boost coomin 2 soon tbh
If we gonna have turbo boost holding m+ season hostage till it releases, I rather want to see Turbo coming early 
fading sky
I mean u could split it in 2
undone flower
If we gonna have turbo boost holding m+ season hostage till it releases, I rathe...
Just wait the last patch of wow
If that bother you so much
dense elbow
Should be the other way around, as one side is waiting and the other want to delay the wait for... No reason
indigo girder
So there are no real changes for thane fury ?
Can you confirm that ?
dense elbow
There is no point in not wanting turbo boost as early as possible when it is a thing
undone flower
Can you confirm that ?
forest berry
uhhhh ? what
heavy folio
do you guys also feel like in bloodlust cooldown manager cant keep up with refreshing icons?
undone flower
Yes, and I have the worst pc ever
heavy folio
i have a good pc but when I play thane in bloodlust it is just not as snappy as old wa packs
undone flower
The only time it doesn’t keep up is bc I’m lagging
heavy folio
i use cooldown manager centered addon though
undone flower
I use bcdm
brittle stone
oh you're missing out bigtime on largepulls then
So you spam TC only at 6+ target ? What about at 5? Most pulls in my m+ take 5 mobs
Also 6+ target TC spam only with cooldowns or also without them?
upbeat cedar
Also 6+ target TC spam only with cooldowns or also without them?
in avatar
earnest tiger
Also 6+ target TC spam only with cooldowns or also without them?
When >6, so 7+ targets
pastel spoke
so isnt the craft axe better than the craft sword ?
also the mace has lower max dmg but higher min dmg
radiant plank
doesnt matter
pearl sequoia
sword variability is 113 while axe is 158 yes
pastel spoke
sword variability is 113 while axe is 158 yes
mace has lowest variability
bleak topaz
It doesnt make a difference due to the same speed and dps. Dps=(Min + Max)/2 × Speed, should be the same
pearl sequoia
speeds the same right its just averages, unless ur a gambling man and want max rolls over 5 minutes lol
bleak topaz
It makes a difference in gold if you're a BS and did spec into e.g. swords only so far, so its free repair 😜
pearl sequoia
as a blacksmith ive never used those repair hammers
the cost to make them outways the repair cost themselves
bleak topaz
No not these ones 😂
You get one for the whole node you spect into
For free
Also for any other weapon kind and armor you fully specialized in
pearl sequoia
oh thats how it works?
crazy didnt know
doing armoursmith so guess i guess free repairs
bleak topaz
Its always the very last "now you can repair your own kind of armor/weapon with your repair hammer"
Need to carry it with you at all times though and I did forget to do so the fist like 500g lol
So used to just hit the all repair button
But after some hard=expensive m+ started not to forget 😂
mossy anvil
which buff should i take in algethar academy?
rocky chasm
fury mt is not that far behind slayer arms for m+? or is it because im mediocre on fury and bad on arms?
remote veldt
Are we totally ignoring SD proc during avatar/reck to spam rampage bloodbath ?
reef cape
pretty sure it just comes down to rage management
fading sky
fury mt is not that far behind slayer arms for m+? or is it because im mediocre ...
Ofc not?
Both specs are quite good
warm crag
is the "quite good" in the room with us
honest trail
If there any way to check on WCLogs the average instances of a buff over a fight?
For example, what was my average number of Berserker stacks
echo rapids
For example, what was my average number of Berserker stacks
I don’t see a way to view your current stacks on the timeline, only instances of gaining it
echo rapids
Not sure it’s worth pursuing, follow the rotation and it is what it is
honest trail
Just have my Rampage do very low average Hit dmg
Compared to most I check
& I wanna see if it was either those stacks management or Executioner's Wrath uptime
Cause my stats are fine & I usually do more casts
But y it's fine 😄
royal scarab
Sorry off topic - Whats currently the most reliable source or site to determine Fury BiS gear/talent builds/consumables?
honest trail
WoWhead, Maxroll, IcyVeins
For BiS
Then Raidbots for your own character's optimization
Which is quite often different
But much more precise & reliable if you know how to use it
dry hawk
macroing Ava/Reck directly after OF isn't bad is it?
royal scarab
Im noticing my dps is significantly lower than what it should be. Now its probably a rotation issue, but Id like to at least correct what i can at the gear spots
dry hawk
As Thane, you do that
Thane is all I play lol
echo rapids
Wait what
honest trail
But still track Avatar usually, cause prio can be different
During Ava+Reck
Or just Ava
& Avatar lasts longer
echo rapids
Are you saying you macro avatar, reck and odyns all together
honest trail
You can
dry hawk
Are you saying you macro avatar, reck and odyns all together
That's what I did yeah
dry hawk
The bleed is what you care about, but the on use is still macroable
echo rapids
There will be times where that is not optimal
honest trail
I don't do that cause I usually use OF after a couple of Rampage for more Zerk stacks
8 sec of initial Reck stacks
So like 2 Ramp to get around 6-7 before OF
royal scarab
Is it optimal to OF the same time as Reck/Ava?
royal scarab
How about max dps output lol
echo rapids
We don’t have that many buttons yall
honest trail
We don’t have that many buttons yall
Probably the most out of dps specs this seaon!
fiery tide
Im noticing my dps is significantly lower than what it should be. Now its probab...
lower compared to sims?
echo rapids
like first boss in raid, I’m popping cooldowns when the add spawns but waiting a few seconds for more adds to group up to odyns
royal scarab
lower compared to sims?
i guess i havent properly simmed my character... i was comparing myself to another fury warrior in a recent raid with a similar ilvl to myself
dry hawk
I'm normally waiting for around all 3 to be ready to line em up
Like 5-10s max tho or I send it
fiery tide
i guess i havent properly simmed my character... i was comparing myself to anoth...
just run a quick sim with just battleshout and then hit a target dummy if you wanna check your rotation, should give you a rough idea
scarlet swift
I made a post in logs, can someone review it and tell me why i need int buff? I’m full zug on parsing
opaque valley
Does anyone know if spell reflect reduces damage from blitercreeps exploding?
woven valley
If it’s magic damage it should
sand chasm
our healers bitch about the dmg all the time. asking us to slow down. but zugs gotta zug
runic acorn
wtf I love blizzard now?
iron portal
Do you though
proud portal
Playing fury is is so much fun atm
lost saffron
@young swan Do your balls hang low?
young swan
what kind of question is this man
lost saffron
Can you swing them to your toes?
sweet python
Any good videos out there that go over fury and arms rotation for raid?
radiant plank
what kind of question is this man
Valid question tbf
dense elbow
what kind of question is this man
Answer the man
dapper goblet
twin cave
I heard that there's a big fury-thane nerf on the ptr right now. Is that set to arrive with the 4/21 update or next season?
twin cave
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069
shit my bad, ty.
gilded belfry
echo rapids
It’s a bit up in the air. Looks like the bad stuff got hotfixed but hard to say what will actually happen
I think sudden death coming from rampage vs bloodthirst is maybe a slight buff? Like really slight
We will still be a bottom 3 spec as far as boss damage
Which is a bit concerning
olive wraith
I think sudden death coming from rampage vs bloodthirst is maybe a slight buff? ...
Reap? Agreed
echo rapids
Sorry yeah reap
echo rapids
How dare you dismiss throw like that
olive wraith
45s isn’t rotational imo
static mountain
Moving reap from bt to rampage will make us reap far less
olive wraith
Moving reap from bt to rampage will make us reap far less
How
inland flame
ya what
smoky vale
its over 🥀
olive wraith
Bt has cooldown. Ramp doesn’t
echo rapids
its over 🥀
Big Congo rats!
undone flower
its over 🥀
L
undone flower
is it your average putting you at 2 ?
smoky vale
yeah when i look on my character it says 2
static mountain
How
I think cuze u press ramp less than bt. Tested it on ptr and it feels bad. I think they shud buff it to 30% chance
olive wraith
Do you?
inland flame
Only thing I can think of really working against it is its a flat 15% chance instead of an independant chance for each thing Ramp hits, right?
undone flower
why does it still show im rank 1
🥀
inland flame
mite b dum tho
quiet osprey
I'm pretty sure you BT more than you Rampage, yes
inland flame
I mean that just changes with the changes tho rite
quiet osprey
it's 15 (didn't they revert back to 20? not sure) per keypress
olive wraith
Is part of that because bt is higher prio
quiet osprey
not per mob hit or whatever you thought
olive wraith
it's 15 (didn't they revert back to 20? not sure) per keypress
20 on ptr
inland flame
Like in AOE you're going to Ramp if you can full stop I assume
If you have WW stacks
quiet osprey
I think there was a tuning point on the PTR recently that caused us to spam Whirlwind, which sounds godawful, hopefully it's not like that
quiet osprey
sick
echo rapids
It would be very zug zug if this change made us just ramp whenever we could
quiet osprey
but it still doesn't make sense to ramp as soon as you can, no? you can still pool rage without losing ramp, you don't have to send it until 110+
you don't ~~reduce ~~ increase the absolute # of rampages by pressing it earlier
olive wraith
Time will tell
sudden tusk
The reason people talk about ramp over 100 rage is overall action economy
olive wraith
But part of the reason we delay ramp is because bt is a big button
echo rapids
Isn’t part of the math on ramp because BT is so good
sudden tusk
BT and other spells like tclap have a CD.
olive wraith
Bt losing reap lowers the prio in aoe a little
sudden tusk
If you can cast them without overcapping rage you simply put yourself ahead on action econ
quiet osprey
Isn’t part of the math on ramp because BT is so good
i mean even if bt did next to nothing it still would make sense to send it before ramp (it goes on cd faster = more rage, etc)
inland flame
Yea like we're gonna have to gen rage somehow ig its just how best does that fit in to things
olive wraith
Really depends
inland flame
idk im makin shit up lol
sudden tusk
The only time you want to dump ramps is right before reck ends so you gain as much damage as possible from the lower cost ramps
echo rapids
i mean even if bt did next to nothing it still would make sense to send it befor...
I mean if it costs you a lot of damage
inland flame
Well and maybe to get a last chance for a Reap right before something dies maybe
quiet osprey
I mean if it costs you a lot of damage
but there is no situation it costs you damage though, except what Madox said and maybe in cases where mobs die before you get to press ramp (but then the rage just goes into the next pack)
inland flame
Think new Reap you have to hit 3 things with Ramp or sumn
quiet osprey
but those are not rotational things, just judgement calls
echo rapids
Yeah I suppose slayer is already super prio ramp in cooldowns
olive wraith
Again, we won’t know for sure if it changes prio. We’re just guessing rn
inland flame
I'll never stop missing the Manaforge Slayer 4p for keys 😩
olive wraith
In aoe ramp prio sounds like it increases. And bt will decrease slightly
quiet osprey
I have a mental bug where I have to send rampages when I press reck (to try and get a strength % stack PR)
echo rapids
Also should I still be bursting higher on 5t as slayer compared to thane?
Or is that burst literally just during bladestorm?
sour cloak
im using the droptimizer to sim for mountain thane and its telling me that heart of wind trinket is an upgrade but i thought puzzle box was bis?
am i doing something wrong
inland flame
Wasnt there also an issue where we were casting it after blowing cools in sims at one point? No idea if thats true or if it got fixed.
quiet osprey
but eval it in 5t cleave or something, should give you a better idea than dungeon slice?
smoky vale
Someone else's parse hasn't locked in
its over man
sour cloak
but eval it in 5t cleave or something, should give you a better idea than dungeo...
this?
i thought dungeon slice is what we should go for
quiet osprey
just put patchwerk and 5 targets
sour cloak
oh
quiet osprey
it's the "ideal" circumstance
sour cloak
quiet osprey
but puzzlebox generally doesn't sim too well i think (since it's disproportionately valuable in some situations, when you're doing big pulls and stacking cds, like algathar first pull)
forest berry
i sim more with renown trinket + umbral plume vs gaze hero + plume, ALRIGHTTTTTTT
inland flame
also am i buggin or could we move while casting Puzzy B during DF?
modest condor
also am i buggin or could we move while casting Puzzy B during DF?
we couldnt
sour cloak
just put patchwerk and 5 targets
patchwerk 5 targets says 296k dps
indigo arch
here's to hoping arms changes don't propel arms ahead of it too much in m+
inland flame
I swear I have memories of hitting it and charging in while it casted but that might have been another one or something else idk
sour cloak
Now im even more confused
compact knot
I swear I have memories of hitting it and charging in while it casted but that m...
no
inland flame
yeah got it bud thanks lol
normal shuttle
is it possible to make rampage 'glow' or something when at <100 rage.
olive wraith
Filthy arms tech
inland flame
Yeah just download WeakAuras and- oh.
pearl jewel
How does fury feel in midnight? I haven't played it yet and I'm looking to swap probably. I'm not a huge fan of how cool down reliant unholy is
normal shuttle
Yeah just download WeakAuras and- oh.
yyeah rip 🙁
compact knot
How does fury feel in midnight? I haven't played it yet and I'm looking to swap ...
its not the worst imo
not a good state in raid right now, pretty decent in m+
the gameplay could also be much worse but its ok right now
not as cd reliant as unholy since we get them like every 45 seconds and we do dps outside of cds
this spec is kinda the opposite of unholy dk in that our cds dont really do a whole lot
(compared to other specs like unholy, ele or mm hunt for example)
inland flame
There's the whole Arms thing too, I think Arms is a bit better in keys rn if that's something you care about, not that Fury is bad
compact knot
yeah you can play arms in raid as well, think its just better in general now
unborn delta
sad but true
compact knot
the new dh spec they released kinda just does fury's job but better and at ranged
lmfao
normal shuttle
There's the whole Arms thing too, I think Arms is a bit better in keys rn if tha...
slayer or col?
unborn delta
either
unborn delta
im just mad bc i had to recraft everything and farm a bunch of jewelry
compact knot
idk i was certain fury was just the best spec on nexus king for example, then i saw the boss damage and realized arms was just miles ahead because other specs pad better then fury anyways
unborn delta
and learn how to play a new spec 😠 i dont play this game to get smareter
inland flame
Col does better AOE and Slarms does better boss dam but they both really good, prolly even depends on the key
I like Slarms more in general tho
smoky vale
im just mad bc i had to recraft everything and farm a bunch of jewelry
why didnt you farm it in the 2 week sof nothing
unborn delta
why didnt you farm it in the 2 week sof nothing
i was playing other game and chilling
i only did like 40 keys in total so far
pearl jewel
What's the deal with rampage over 100? I thought it was just dump when you can?
unborn delta
its like
what if you use it early then run out of buttons to press
now you're pressing whirlwind
compact knot
What's the deal with rampage over 100? I thought it was just dump when you can?
some buttons have higher prio then just a normal rampage outside of cooldowns, but the biggest prio is to not waste rage
(and to stay enraged)
smoky vale
i only did like 40 keys in total so far
im at 5x that by now i think
smoky vale
pretty sure swordish has more hours than me
compact knot
@smoky vale can u carry my dk
pearl jewel
My guild lead deadass did 67 in the first week alone
smoky vale
with how much he was pugging riad
compact knot
i need to gear it for mythic l'ura
smoky vale
im just about to start a 17 man
compact knot
hmm
compact knot
its not fun 😠
smoky vale
i never said it was
quiet osprey
wym blood is not fun
compact knot
i tanked 4 keys yesterday
quiet osprey
you do crazy damage
unborn delta
deathbringer
compact knot
im going bald cause of it
unborn delta
biggest prob of tanking
compact knot
and when im bald my life is over
sullen dove
unborn delta
see
sullen dove
inland flame
erf narms
normal shuttle
im considering doing slayer arms for dragons (i only heroic raid) because the orbs die instantly and i can only get one odyns fury off if im lucky. its my lowest parse by far and trying to think of ways to get it better. tried slayer bladestorm and they're pretty much all dead before anything meaningful too. any recs?
normal shuttle
slayer arms top boss then?
compact knot
you do a lot in p3 as slayer arms
sullen dove
I gave away a cloak out of kindness to a less fortunate individual and it’s like the only item I needed out of m+ for arms apparently
quite unfortunate
sullen dove
I ain’t spending 80 crests on dat shit
maybe at 272
but then my ilvl lower and looks bad
sullen dove
still no myth 2hander so nah
Yea I had that as option this week
Took voras trink instead kek
sullen dove
real
quiet osprey
i mean it does let you skip upgrades tho, right? so you don't "lose" 80 crests?
unborn delta
3/6 -> 5/6
quiet osprey
of lose 0 if you don't have cloak
from mythic
but it does force those crests to a specific slot so ig that kinda blows
unborn delta
agg rend
woven valley
GM rend enjoyers
So no one?
vast token
Everyone loves rend
quiet osprey
i always wake up rendy for a new day
edgy widget
we crarft cloak tmw
depends on what you're doing/what you need
- Fury is better off sticking with hunt in the offhand
- Arms is better changing weapons and running double arcano
clever raft
guys why is retri pala outdpsing me? there need to be regulations involved here
delicate rock
guys why is retri pala outdpsing me? there need to be regulations involved here
Because we are Not good and data will get worse with alleria + nightmare falls kills
clever raft
😢
woven valley
I mean data showing worse means buffs…right? Right?….
delicate rock
keen kindle
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/430539702160850964/1491913290119381208/im...
sword is literally playing a different game
That overall is crazy
keen kindle
guys why is retri pala outdpsing me? there need to be regulations involved here
because blizz dosen't want them to throw another baby tantrum
undone flower
Snoredih is reformed arms enjoyer
sullen dove
sword is literally playing a different game
Only like a +10 or 12 lol
I think Windrunner but idr
Might’ve also been like a 6 tbh not sure
keen kindle
Still impressive to smoke people that hard
sullen dove
yep I am himothy this is true
sullen dove
Snoredih is reformed arms enjoyer
converted
drifting token
Did the other two die a bunch of times or smth
sullen dove
maybe one or two times don’t think that much tho
drifting token
Yikes
vital torrent
Kind of losing my mind a little bit the last few days. Does anyone else feel like they are having some input lag while spamming instant spells? My demo lock feels great but my fury warrior is feeling clunky
smoky vale
is your spell queue window at a weird value?
brittle crow
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/430539702160850964/1491913290119381208/im...
teach me
or i switch to dh
either works ..
smoky vale
brittle crow
third time the charm
sullen dove
what he said
undone flower
what he said
are you slarms gaming ?
undone flower
col st 🥀
sullen dove
still like 60-70k in keys I’m chillin
brittle crow
tho the slarms m+ spec does less st than tanks too doesn't it
summer quail
and when im bald my life is over
join me
modest wave
Slarms ST def isn’t that bad
supple glen
man i am playing around with the cd manager and the integrated sounds.. theyre all so long, who wants a 3 second soundbit for when a cd is ready. what can they get right
edgy widget
It’s at 100
that's way too low
edgy widget
man i am playing around with the cd manager and the integrated sounds.. theyre a...
wait till you find out that some sounds just don't go off at all when they're supposed to
supple glen
🔥
brittle crow
man i am playing around with the cd manager and the integrated sounds.. theyre a...
all my soundbits are short
mossy nimbus
There is no difference between Fury or Arms lootspec anymore, right?
brittle crow
there's plenty of short ones
foggy flower
Im currently on 2x mythic crafted arcanoweave insight, is it better to keep those or to craft a darkmoon weapon next week? Currently on myth + hero weapon
supple glen
still not enough basic 1s bongs and pings
supple glen
even the most basic bell is two sounds and rings for a second after
unborn delta
you will be wasting 80 crests
brittle crow
still not enough basic 1s bongs and pings
i use cash register and the guitar chug
cash register a requirement to play warrior
burnt oxide
indead, it tells me when to exe
very important
but the cdm is bugged as hell, so it sometimes comes 10 secs after or when sd is already consumed
tribal yacht
guys is it correct that the puzzlebox trinket is lower rated than the crucible / reputation one? always thougt puzzlebox is kinda s tier
?
burnt oxide
not very smart
brittle crow
but the cdm is bugged as hell, so it sometimes comes 10 secs after or when sd is...
what's your condition
spare steppe
guys is it correct that the puzzlebox trinket is lower rated than the crucible /...
Puzzle box good. Puzzle box shit to play
brittle crow
are you looking for execute available to use, or sudden death buff
supple glen
why the "realistic" actual sound of opening the drawer
burnt oxide
what's your condition
rn it is just execute being usable, it worked on SD itself way better
brittle crow
rn it is just execute being usable, it worked on SD itself way better
yea, that's bad
set it to the SD buff
works always that way
burnt oxide
yeah might have to
brittle crow
i stg 90% of problems people have with the new ui is user error or just hating change
it's not that bad i swear
supple glen
i try to use it...
burnt oxide
can u make 2 symbols occupy the same space via arcui?
supple glen
its just very obviously a huge downgrade