Fuck with their data and they should listen
#fury
plush maple
dim spindle
"Save Fury, please... hurry"?
vast token
If Fury warriors all start performing worse as a collective, we could get buffed. Start sandbagging
dim spindle
"Down with mage, Up with RAGE!"
stoic loom
Isnt it a lot more than 5% on higher target counts?
quiet geyser
Considering most of our damage is avatar TC spamming.. no way its 5%
dim spindle
Alternatively we could catfish/honeypot the warrior dev and blackmail them into a +25% aura buff
stoic loom
If Fury warriors all start performing worse as a collective, we could get buffed...
Unironically a good idea
Every dk i play with lowkey makes unholy look garbage
quiet geyser
Alternatively we could catfish/honeypot the warrior dev and blackmail them into ...
"Warrior dev"
stoic loom
Not even balanced, straight garbage
olive cobalt
Alternatively we could catfish/honeypot the warrior dev and blackmail them into ...
Good luck catfishing an AI model
undone flower
Considering most of our damage is avatar TC spamming.. no way its 5%
you tc spam at 7 targets, and storm surge is not the only tc modifier
dim spindle
Hey I'm just brainstorming here
edgy widget
it was like 5-10% at the highest target counts
quiet geyser
you tc spam at 7 targets, and storm surge is not the only tc modifier
Even below 7 targets you basically use it every 3rd gcd. Still high volume
vast token
If Fury warriors all start performing worse as a collective, we could get buffed...
99% of what I say is irony or satirical, please do not take me seriously. I request a dent role so I can no longer be taken serious.
edgy widget
remember you replace those TCs with BBs, which ultimately gives you more Blasts and longer Avatar duration as a result
dim spindle
I'll just continue believing very very hard that all will be well (or even better than now) come the 21st. Surely Blizzard will address our concerns.
Surely.
plush maple
Good luck catfishing an AI model
Look at me I have 100gb of vram
quiet geyser
remember you replace those TCs with BBs, which ultimately gives you more Blasts ...
True, but isnt tblast also hitting quite a bit weaker than clap? Lol
dim spindle
If we all just BELIEVE, reality must bend to our whims. It's just science.
olive cobalt
True, but isnt tblast also hitting quite a bit weaker than clap? Lol
upfront yes
but guaranteed lightning strikes
olive cobalt
which in turns may give burst of power
edgy widget
TBlast is like 2% weaker than Clap, it's virtually nothing
dim spindle
But on a more serious note, personally I'm saving my spot carrying the fury coffin of doom until a few days before patch time with no changes. I've seen this same scenario play out too many times to assume the worst
edgy widget
but it has a guaranteed lightning strike, ground current, extra rage gen, and extends avatar
stoic loom
The fact tblast is weaker at all is kind of idiotic tho, no?
plush maple
The fact tblast is weaker at all is kind of idiotic tho, no?
It does so many other things like Archim mentioned
dim spindle
Altogether, very much not weaker
olive cobalt
I do agree that TBlast being weaker upfront is kinda dumb and ultimately pretty weird
It feels wrong at the very least
quiet geyser
Even still, 5-10% for m+ maybe.. but it destroys thane in raid (more so than its already down bad).
plush maple
They’re probably doing fuck ton of changes 20th of April anyways 
stiff maple
Its time to un target cap improved whirlwind
olive cobalt
Chain pull to grip targets and a bloodlust pls
plush maple
Pray for 4/20
20/4
dim spindle
spew
undone flower
My guess is the 17th
my guess is in 4 hours
edgy widget
Even still, 5-10% for m+ maybe.. but it destroys thane in raid (more so than it...
this is as mediocre M Saladbar kill - even if it were -10% overall (it's not really but let's just say), that takes me down from 2nd to 4th
is that good? of course not
but yall hyperbolic af
stoic loom
this is as mediocre M Saladbar kill - even if it were -10% overall (it's not rea...
Isnt that 1 of the 2 fury fights this tier
stiff maple
Its legit not over til patch is out
vast token
Insider knowledge goes crazy
plush maple
HASHSHAHAHA
stoic loom
I dont doubt you
dim spindle
I'm with Arch. BELIEVE, brothers in fury. BELIEVE
honest trail
I only comment when Archi adds a message to #updates-midnight
Untill then
Nothing matters
wise canyon
Warrior ST buffs??????
dim spindle
Dooming is fun and all but it does get a little repetitive
echo rapids
undone flower
Warrior ST buffs??????
in 4-5 hours
wise canyon
Why doom wheb you can be delusionally positive
edgy widget
I mean I don't like nerfs any more than the rest of yall, but god damn some people act like the sky is falling 
vast token
It is nice to have someone dedicated to a class giving active feedback to devs that listen though. Be happy team
stoic loom
Dooming is fun and all but it does get a little repetitive
Not as repetitive as seeing fury nerfs on the notes
wise canyon
All kf warrior feels good to me tbh
dim spindle
Not as repetitive as seeing fury nerfs on the notes
lol
wise canyon
Arms is okay in m+
edgy widget
Not as repetitive as seeing fury nerfs on the notes
Fury's actually been buffed for the most part so far this expac/season
wise canyon
fury is okay, and prot is fun
stoic loom
Fury's actually been buffed for the most part so far this expac/season
Im biased because i pvp
undone flower
yep, im really enjoying current warrior
south kayak
That's what I've been saying for weeks since that Thane change and I don't even have any clue of what's coming lol
stoic loom
And furys been eating pvp nerfs
edgy widget
Im biased because i pvp
well that's just setting yourself up for failure lol
dim spindle
Tbf, the sky actually might fall by the time 4/21 rolls around. Meteor, nazis, aliens, who knows
edgy widget
I'm sorry but anyone who still takes PvP tuning/design seriously these days is living a fantasy
honest trail
Tbf, the sky actually might fall by the time 4/21 rolls around. Meteor, nazis, a...
There's some american president out there
plush maple
It is nice to have someone dedicated to a class giving active feedback to devs t...
This! Archimtiros is a fucking blessing! Wowhead writer, raidbots dev, active and intelligent warrior theorycrafter! Only negative is being American but we can work on that together as a community
vast token
The Sky can't fall, this discord is Holding the Sky you know
dim spindle
There's some american president out there
precedent?
vast token
Sky-Hold ahaha
south kayak
The Sky can't fall, this discord is Holding the Sky you know
What are you doing here lol
undone flower
dim spindle
Nazis are pretty european
stoic loom
I'm sorry but anyone who still takes PvP tuning/design seriously these days is l...
Its only a fantasy when it comes to warrrior tho
dim spindle
But that might be a bit off topic, nvm
honest trail
precedent?
President*
stoic loom
I have a lot of fun in pvp when i play my mage or rogue
dim spindle
Ohh gotcha
vast token
What are you doing here lol
I don't know anything about anyone. I was brought here against my will and do not align with the views of this discord.
stiff maple
I'm sorry but anyone who still takes PvP tuning/design seriously these days is l...
pvp in this game is incredibly fun though
Itd be nice if blizzard cared more
dim spindle
I won't get into politics because yeah, but I will stand by the practice of backwards month/day being demonic
vast token
PvP has always been a more niche community tbf, they typically do some work on it.
south kayak
pvp in this game is incredibly fun though
I do wonder what caused PvP to fall so badly behind in terms of players
honest trail
talking about .5 changes, anything changed since the last PTR announcement in #updates-midnight ?
south kayak
No
silk obsidian
How can I get some traction on my log review discussion?
plush maple
Only did PvP seriously during BFA to get neck powers to rank 3 and if possible to rank 4
honest trail
oki
dim spindle
There is a new blue post with hotfixes. But 0 brown involved
undone flower
How can I get some traction on my log review discussion?
You can post the link of the post here, it might gain traction
plush maple
How can I get some traction on my log review discussion?
Create some fomo, say this nice log will only be up for 46 hours
south kayak
Create some fomo, say this nice log will only be up for 46 hours
lmao
olive cobalt
guaranteed myth gaze for anyone who provides a pertinent review of the log
rotund geyser
free gaze?
vast token
I mean, if you ask for input and point to your post people are more likely to click and go through it. Obviously if you ask in a genuinely inquisitive manner.
silk obsidian
Check out this log review post for free! No tax. No shipping. Completely free!!
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1492008336890269876
plush maple
*AI free post
rotund geyser
just reviewed the log You frequently skipped casting Rampage when you had at least 1000 Rage Rage.
recommend not getting 1000 rage
bro has an INTELLECT trinket asking us TO REVIEW THEIR LOG
dim spindle
1000 rage? Teach me your ways plz
dim spindle
Don't diss on the int trinket. We're clearly lacking in int
rotund geyser
i have 0 int low iq
dim spindle
It will help with mechanics or something
echo rapids
It’s a thing with how the data gets reported I think
silk obsidian
So don’t cap on rage, swap the trinket (lol oops)
rotund geyser
this site is kinda sick actually
vast token
Hey guys, just gemmed full intellect, feeling smarter. Thanks Skyhold!
silk obsidian
It’s the way
dim spindle
At least the int trinket does damage I guess
rotund geyser
yeah never want to lose enrge, odyns fury will help with that
silk obsidian
We warriors could use more
Ya I try to stay enraged as much as possible, but is tough sometimes
vast token
Very cool website though, not sure how accurate it is but interesting regardless
dim spindle
I see bigbowwl's name mentioned so it's 100% canon
olive cobalt
Hey guys, just gemmed full intellect, feeling smarter. Thanks Skyhold!
Don't get too much int or you'll start conjuring lightning like a filthy shaman instead of conjuring it with heavy foot stomps
dim spindle
1000% canon, even
vast token
Don't get too much int or you'll start conjuring lightning like a filthy shaman ...
Instruction unclear, rerolled Rogue
dim spindle
If this is a legit log question, chest and weapon enchants are pretty significant too
olive cobalt
dim spindle
But enrage and CDs are even more significant
Rings... like 7g a piece for those enchants
dim spindle
Not all, but the lower rank ones yeah
plush maple
Ah well then
dim spindle
Max rank not so much but gold flows like water
WoW's inflation is catching up to rl inflation
plush maple
That’s a big pet peeve I have, enchants, potions and flasks should not cost an arm and a leg
dim spindle
Gems are pretty nutso last I checked.
Flasks too ofc, lotus a bit too rare apparently
plush maple
Really annoying
dim spindle
Potions are pretty cheap if you get the lower rank
plush maple
How big is the difference between high and low grade?
dim spindle
uh like ~20% maybe? I'd have to check
Not very important unless you're at the tippy top of whatever content
plush maple
Probably but damn
dim spindle
Which reminds me I need to check sim to see whether the str or secondary pots are best. I've seen conflicting info lately
pots are pretty damn OP this expansion, too
compact knot
can have either
but reckless pot u need to think about gear more
if it procs haste its bad
you want to make it proc mastery
quiet fog
are these good for fury? only hearing paladins talking about them
ok, looked at the discord logs, they are pretty much bis huh
stoic loom
are these good for fury? only hearing paladins talking about them
bis for fury
cold sparrow
Hey guys, quick question about "priority" for sparks
I got my craft 285 main hand and bellamy's bis mass in hero track 276
Should I keep my sparks for a second crafted off hand ?
olive wraith
We don’t usually craft 2nd wep. Unless you’re unlucky entire tier and use your 4th/5th craft for that
compact knot
is it good with the Eternal Voidsong Chain?
the neck itself isnt very good but combined the gloves do proc the neck
the neck proc isnt much damage
less then the glvoes
lunar swan
After playing arms colossus, Ive decided the best way to continue playing warrior is to reroll ret
What a horrible clunky ass rotation
echo rapids
After playing arms colossus, Ive decided the best way to continue playing warrio...
I’d rather play udk but yeah
I can’t get into arms
dapper goblet
@sullen dove piggy
sullen dove
strong monolith
Or just keep playing Fury lol
lunar swan
Yeah just anticipating them nuking us into unviability
echo rapids
The saving grace here might just be that ST raid damage seems to be blizzards primary tuning target
echo rapids
They were pretty good at it in TWW
radiant plank
switch to devourer
wip
echo rapids
switch to devourer
When should we hear about whatever new class is coming in last titan? Evoker was announced at like the end of season 2 SL?
brittle crow
wat
radiant plank
i got demotivated after taking 3 years to get to lvel 82
level as havoc
brittle crow
no new class in the last titan
echo rapids
Surely
brittle crow
level as havoc
yea even then its slow
vast gorge
getting beat in a m+ by a ret and a dev dh with 10 less ilvl fml
echo rapids
Blizzard did a new class in 2nd expansion, 4th, 6th, 9th. Last titan will be 12th
vast gorge
when is fury going to get a break?
stiff maple
Blizzard did a new class in 2nd expansion, 4th, 6th, 9th. Last titan will be 12...
Warrior 2
brittle crow
never
fleet garden
when is fury going to get a break?
We have to kill guldan one more time first
cold sparrow
We don’t usually craft 2nd wep. Unless you’re unlucky entire tier and use your 4...
Soooo I can go with bis craft right now ?
olive wraith
Sure? Typically you grab your 2 emb fairly early. Then anything after that is just ilv upgrades
past pivot
sullen dove
truther
vestal root
holy heck i didnt know you can get random proc socket on helmets in m+
ancient imp
Bracers and belt as well. Just not jewelry
indigo arch
big hat
cobalt relic
nicuh
vestal root
ok ill do that
dim spindle
I mean it'll be obsolete eventually so the only logical decision is to disenchant
rare garnet
The one trick raid leaders hate
red berry
doesn’t even have leech or avoidance wtf
inland flame
when you're in a tert loving contest and your competition is me
brittle stone
So both dk and paladin ret are better than fury damage wise and utilities ? What about arms?
echo rapids
So both dk and paladin ret are better than fury damage wise and utilities ? What...
This is a pretty broad statement. Neither of those other classes have a raid buff and their utility is very sporadic, situational or requires good planing to use.
bitter palm
depends on content
in raid on some bosses grips are basically necessary
in m+ imo rets main util is the ability to offheal
dense elbow
BoP, sac, dispell, freedom
Need we go on?
bitter palm
warrior has battle shout which can be pretty big in phys comps
rally isn't bad anymore
dks have grip amz and can trivialize certain mechanics with ams
like voraxus soaks dk can just ams and clear them
dense elbow
We got SR tho, giga value
gleaming crag
theres no ravager on fury !
bitter palm
warriors have a fuck ton of stops
olive wraith
Good in what way
bitter palm
We got SR tho, giga value
situational very but can be absolutely insane
dense elbow
If you think Fury or warrior is bad in keys, you need to go touch grass
bitter palm
all 3 specs are insanely tanky
dense elbow
We got to so much good shit going on atm
gleaming crag
If you think Fury or warrior is bad in keys, you need to go touch grass
when thane nerf goes live we will be
bitter palm
dks being the tankiest cause they can straight up ignore a lot of mechanics
like first boss np the big ball drop that puts a huge heal absorb
u can just ams it and not get the heal absorb
olive wraith
when thane nerf goes live we will be
Slayer will be okay
bitter palm
there is genuinely no argument to be made against warrior util at this point
dense elbow
Just moving the profile about, its fine
gleaming crag
We are 100% fine, as long our dam is fine
we are getting take out back and shot and should close the discord in protest so they dont go through with the nerf like the pink ladies
stoic loom
Just moving the profile about, its fine
this is assuming we get compensation buffs
bitter palm
Idk how is ramp tc ramp tc enjoyable at all
stoic loom
but the direct damage buff seems idiotic
bitter palm
still 2 weeks to go
stoic loom
keyword being yet
bitter palm
ye swap to colo arms
stoic loom
There is also changes coming that ya likely will enjoy, so hey
ur uncle works at blizzard?
could've just said that
bros got the insider info
dense elbow
Less doom, more smile 
bitter palm
as someone who enjoyed tww fury for the most part
they absolutely butchered it in midnight
never had less fun playing it
stoic loom
definitely enjoy current thane fury more than i did raging blow spam of tww s3
and its not even close tbh
dense elbow
Slayer in 12.0.5 is getting there. Just need to move a bit more dam into ST focus as Slayer.
And maybe a buff to OF to make up for some of the AoE loss from the specs 
plz
And we there
dense elbow
I enjoy it, i dont enjoy Thane
It is very much about what you want
I love the SD reaps, and BS Windows
bitter palm
ye if bs ever aligned with reck
dense elbow
Skill issue 
bitter palm
they need to move ww cap to 8
bitter palm
5 is criminal
stoic loom
but getting burst of power procs as thane
dense elbow
5 is perfect
stoic loom
into thunder blast
bitter palm
not gone in aoe
bitter palm
sd reap will still be a thing in aoe
stoic loom
extends avatar
bitter palm
it does barely more damage than tc
stoic loom
procs more Bts
olive wraith
Blast needs to do more damage
bitter palm
5 is perfect
ye maybe in sl dungeons
stoic loom
i think it should do more than normal TC
but it does a bunch of other shit
still a good button that feels nice to press
i just like the gameplay loop
of burst of power
into thunderblast
back and forth procs
bitter palm
there is genuinely 0 reason tl play fury in m+
its worse than slayer arms at everything
dense elbow
ye maybe in sl dungeons
You know my stance
I dont mind 5t and high prio dam, with uncapped AoE coming from CDs (and SD reaps)
We like what we like
bitter palm
same st worse aoe much worse prio dmg
tankier ig which is looking like the limiting factor this season
bitter palm
You know my stance
I dont mind 5t and high prio dam, with uncapped AoE coming ...
if only fury had high prio dam
dense elbow
Yep
stoic loom
i dont even care about our dmg profile
or if we're good at aoe or st or prio damage
i just like the rotation adn want to feel like the spec is doing well
dense elbow
That to me is decided by dam profile and moments of glory
To excell at something
olive wraith
Iww being 5t isn’t an issue anymore. Blizz clearly wants our mass aoe to be clap/reap
stoic loom
the only thing advntage i see playing fury over the other spec si play
is that i have damage every pack
on enhance i do 0 without cds
fire mage sam ething
fury just sort of has damage every pack
stoic loom
having a bad tank when im on enhance / Fire mage is so fucking awful
if they dont plan pulls well
on fury idc
tank can do w/e he wants
small tinsel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOBuf_wQXnk
Been watching Noxiv whos obviously a giga chad however its usefull to see where he sits compared to previous seasons.
When watching him play 18 keys in the war within he was usually always matching his squad if not on top.
This season hes often bottom of the group.
Obviously take from that what you will as hes still a god but to me its showing that fury is defo worse of this season than TWW
bitter palm
ye true my perspective is from 19s with a premade group
its worse and also pit is like
the worst dungeon for fury
idk how they pull but we pull absolutely massive
i assume they do too cause its pit
dense elbow
Pit is the worst? I know there are some giga pulls, but Fury is great for last boss and there are good refoects
bitter palm
and fury just cant keep up
idk how is fury great on last boss when i can think of many specs that beat it
dense elbow
Would have to play more go get a feel of the rest, but I dont feel bad in pit
Stops for days
bitter palm
i mean he isnt even that behind
dense elbow
Maybe it is the worst, I kinda dont doubt it
bitter palm
so clearly fury is good enough to be timing 20s week 2
or week 3 w/e
i cant think of a dungeon with bigger pulls
maybe magisters or maisara
dense elbow
Lets see what happens after "turbo boost" as and 12.0.5, then doom if things look bad
I will argue for the 99% it is good times for Fury atm
This aint TWW where we 15% behind and no utility value
bitter palm
colo arms takeover in m+ prolly
bitter palm
gonna have good st and prolly best aoe in the game
dense elbow
But that is a high end question, ppl shouldnt worry sbout
bitter palm
idk changes for other specs tho
im gearing a dk anyway for title if warr isnt very good
dense elbow
Ye that makes sense
stoic loom
its actually so fucking braindead
and yet
somehow
all the unholy dks i pug make it look balance / actually garbage
dense elbow
If you go title, just make it easier for yourself if you dont have a super dedicated team
dense elbow
Higher you go, the more things start to show
bitter palm
also it never tops from the chinese +20s ive seen
but is just immortal and still does insane dmg and has good util
insane st as well
works well with aug
dense elbow
UDK do bring silly ST too, and solid AoE
bitter palm
i mean if u have a dk that can press defensives
ur healer never needs to look at him
dense elbow
True, but arguably true for Fury as well
bitter palm
kinda but not to the same level
stoic loom
ye but defensive stance press
dense elbow
Ye, but being "only super tanky, but less than super tanky tanky" is still strong
Just dont want the avg Joe to get the wrong impression
dense elbow
This convo is scuffed, i get your point and agree
Just dont want casual readers to get the wrong info out of it
dense elbow
Aight, time to 
Fight off the doomers for me
bitter palm
bedge for me too
dense elbow
the time of doom has come
Gl
earnest fox
Why is everyone going arms? i just ran a bunch of sims and furry is much higher for me
am i doing something wrong here lol
bitter palm
in raid or m+
earnest fox
simmed for Patch and Dungeon Slice
bitter palm
in m+ it just does more damage
earnest fox
so min max situation should i switch to arms?
fading bane
Arms is kinda just generally better now
strong monolith
Yeah sticking with fury lol
earnest fox
i will cry myself to sleep tonight
bitter palm
get crit jewellery
stoic loom
Fury is good enough for whatever ure progging anyway
bitter palm
ye
stoic loom
playing fury well will be better than playing arms mediocre
earnest fox
just weird sims are saying furry for more i know the lack of crit is not helping but like its a big diff
fading bane
Arms wont sim more
its just better for most fights
Fury got good AoE without dropping ST
but the AoE is way too bursty
lean haven
Correct me if im wrong, during aoe burst and after applying Bloodborne/Odyns Fury, should i spam clam/rampage? Or i do need to implement bloodbath, cose always on cd rule/ more prio over rampage, when its not 100+rage/enrage status)?
fading bane
Clap + Ramp combo only really for 6++ targets
idk the exact number
Dragons add spawn you would clap ramp clap ramp for example
lean haven
well y, i mean big pulls
fading bane
on big pulls like academy tree boss area
you do the most dmg if u just press clap and ramp
until the .5 patch at least
when it gets gutted
vale folio
appears to be in 2 resets
fading bane
21st/22nd
upbeat plume
yeah I get they want to retune where our damage is coming from, but 0 recompense buffs yet is kind of crappy (still can happen in the 11th hour before the patch but shrug)
vale folio
yeah, i don't mind fury getting a bit weaker but the transition to arms seems needed for most circumstances
lean haven
Well, i know the rule about Bloodborne/ Odyns Fury rule. Its like should i implement BT/BB inside rotation outside cds, cos eof the Rampage rule?
earnest fox
i aint changing screw it
lean haven
Like, u get enrage after BT, have 101 rage, who have more prio in aoe? Rampage on Clap? (even without proc)
+i feel if u just spa, u waste Scent of Blood
and optimal still gona be insert one bt/bb after 2x rampage
warm crag
keen kindle
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/952949762032803940/1053435491992735814/...
NO
YOU CANT MAKE ME GO BACK TO BRICK CITY
royal oxide
with 12.05 on the horizon are we droping thane for slayer in m+?
glad coyote
rocky hornet
Clap + Ramp combo only really for 6++ targets
Tested this on dummies (5 targets) many times and I do significantly more dmg with clap - ramp - clap - bt combo than anything else
even on 4 targets it's pretty close
fringe vale
Those changes that have not been implemented are still subject to change
rocky hornet
I don't buy the 6 targets for tc thing
lean haven
Tested this on dummies (5 targets) many times and I do significantly more dmg wi...
@rocky hornet isnt ramp-clap-ramp- clap-bt/bb ist optimal?
olive wraith
I don't buy the 6 targets for tc thing
Wdym
rocky hornet
<@237655696273833985> isnt ramp-clap-ramp- clap-bt/bb ist optimal?
yes, but wowhead and most ppl say on 6 or more targets, but I always lost dps not doing that on less targets
fringe vale
U have to drop smt in between during ava for it to reset
rocky hornet
even on 5
eager thorn
Its 7 targets for ramp tc spam
fading bane
you could also just play wrong rotationally
its impossible to fuck up clap ramp rotation
rocky hornet
you could also just play wrong rotationally
been playing warrior for quite a while, I am not a super good player or anything, but I parse 99 on most fights and every fury prio is very easy
there's not a lot of room for me to fuck up
unreal onyx
lean haven
@rocky hornet but u still start with ramp after burst, or rage wasted. Like Burst CD>ramp>clap>BB,>Odyns fury>then it can be ramp>clap>ramp>clap>bb. U say, i can skip second ramp and go bb?
earnest fox
can someone link the changes coming for warr i can't find it
rocky hornet
<@237655696273833985> but u still start with ramp after burst, or rage wasted. L...
that depends, both are close, what I am saying is that, that type or rotation gives me much more dmg on 5 targets, than only using tc on tb procs or to reapply cleave
earnest fox
tyty
lean haven
@niko well 6+ targets
rocky hornet
🤷♂️
lean haven
Like BD pulls
fringe vale
<@237655696273833985> but u still start with ramp after burst, or rage wasted. L...
If its not over 100rage and enrage not dropping sure
The conditions of sending ramp are 99< rage and enrage not dropping anytime soon
So if you have less than a 100 rage and enough time for enrage to send a bb and smt else then ramp
Do it
I explained that very poorly but u get what i mean
lean haven
@fringe vale that understandable, and on standart aoe packs like 5 and lover, bb/bt have more value. Question about 6+? Like 99 rage, enrage fine, it feels like clap have more value then bb/bt? or not?
Even standard clamp
fringe vale
In my head yes clap is better, realistically? U gotta test it
Or ask someone that has tested it
If you sim a patch of 6 targets in a quick sim you can see what the bot uses
Then test it on 5 and over 6
lean haven
Thats actually good idea
fringe vale
Maybe thats how to? Im not sure
lean haven
@fringe vale interesting, even on 6 target+ bot hold on for calp>4 ST abilities, spamimg only blast procs, also breaking the rule of 100 rage, using rampage when its possible.
I wonder, how @edgy widget could comment our conversation 🙂
rocky hornet
it also clap spams when bb/ramp is on cd, even on 5 targets
but that is just a sample of 1 interation
edgy widget
<@142144373449031681> interesting, even on 6 target+ bot hold on for calp>4 ST a...
multitarget also has a 100 rage rule, but again that is not the only time you use Rampage
it just means that it has a higher priority when over 100 rage
So assuming you have a high number of targets, you're keeping Clap/Blast on cooldown, using Rampage if your rage is high, and using Bloodbath in between, all of which generate rage that will push you back up to that 100 rage mark
- if you don't have 100 rage though, you'll still use Rampage if TC or BB aren't available
it's the difference between - TC - Rampage - TC - Rampage - TC - Rampage
- TC - Rampage - TC - Bloodbath - TC - Rampage
dull mirage
Oh man, they reverted the fury thane bullshit. But now I tried arms and I... really like it. Damn it.
keen kindle
Oh man, they reverted the fury thane bullshit. But now I tried arms and I... rea...
Oh no, two cakes! Whatever shall I do!
dull mirage
It do be like that
summer quail
Oh man, they reverted the fury thane bullshit. But now I tried arms and I... rea...
arms currently better in m+ anyway
dull mirage
I only have one mouth, man
echo rapids
Honestly I didn’t hate the CDR change to thunder clap
Ramp clap filler Ramp clap filler is fine
It was the damage
edgy widget
arms currently better in m+ anyway
idk, Thane is way more chill to play, I feel like its got better consistency since there's less concern over positioning too
edgy widget
Honestly I didn’t hate the CDR change to thunder clap
Fury gameplay would be fine with some tuning, but it needs a more robust fix to reconcile the issue for Prot
echo rapids
Fury gameplay would be fine with some tuning, but it needs a more robust fix to ...
Yes the prot impact was gonna be tragic
rare garnet
Is slayer saved chat
echo rapids
Clever by blizz, revert some awful changes and we won’t even ask for needed ST buffs!
quiet geyser
i mean slayer is still nerfed in ST no?
we get SD proccing on ST back.. but lose BT proccing it
or maybe the bladestorm buff counters that?
modest condor
we will still ask for st buffs
small tinsel
I’m rather new to wow with TWW being my first ever season
And fury just seems that little bit more janky and less smooth this expansion.
I was consistently getting some good parses in heroic in TWW and this season I’m about 15-20% lower on my parses
Could I ask if that’s reasonably normal and is hitting 90% + parse consistently realistic ?
edgy widget
You're very early within a new and popular expansion, which means there's not only more competition, but also higher geared Mythic raiders still doing Heroic and skewing parses
smoky vale
most mythic raiders will stop or are stopping doing heroic now
only thing that might affect it seriously is boosting
but even then most boosts are private logged
sullen dove
man that shit goes hard
"all those changes that we were danglin infront of your face for 3 weeks to ruin your class... nah just kidding"
olive wraith
Let’s hope it sticks lol
floral arrow
hello ppl!! arms or fury for who is new in warr class?
floral arrow
i fell arms more slow... my eyes have a less hurt
olive wraith
Arms has a tiny bit lower apm
next canopy
💪 
Real and true
twilit narwhal
why are the recommended talents (according to archon) not run enraged regeneration? is it that bad at the moment?
keen kindle
why are the recommended talents (according to archon) not run enraged regenerati...
It is currently a dps loss
twilit narwhal
fr? wow, they need to work out the tree
chilly fractal
I sacrificed Massacre for Enraged Regen in keys at least
regal marten
Look what this legend posted
Thane is saved
Although I don't understand how Critcake has 20k more dps overall as Arms than Farover Fury on any key
brittle crow
cuz arms does more dps in aoe
regal marten
I heard Arms also competes quite well with Fury in ST if Slayer somehow
regal marten
cuz arms does more dps in aoe
But is Fury technically better because of smaller pulls and helps clear faster or?
regal marten
Even 3 targets-5 targets?
brittle crow
idk specifics
regal marten
Aight aight
undone flower
I heard Arms also competes quite well with Fury in ST if Slayer somehow
As bottom as fury in ST*
But your message is still right
regal marten
I got the message xD
Thane ST is not that bad tbh!
Some pulls I keep 70-80k some pulls 50-60k
The 50-60 is concerning
bitter palm
arms does better everything
slayer arms
and it doesnt seem like its gonna change
if anything arms got buffed
regal marten
Nerf fury I guess
bitter palm
Even 3 targets-5 targets?
infinitely better at 3t
keen kindle
Blizz really won't let TWW S1 go
undone flower
Thane ST is not that bad tbh!
Both hero are not very great, but fortunately in keys you tend to fight mobs + bosses in higher keys
bitter palm
thats what arms is best at atm
sullen dove
colossus arms does 300k there
regal marten
I wish we still had RB proc Reap of storms
bitter palm
colo gaining st and not losing any aoe is huge
bitter palm
more st more prio same aoe
sullen dove
yea
bitter palm
even more prio axaxaxxa
bitter palm
yep
sullen dove
deep wounds taken a way a tiny bit and 1 less cleave during cs
bitter palm
deep wounds on slam
bitter palm
demo applies deep wounds too
sullen dove
omega stack that siht
altho it'll be cringe that even more depends on tank positioning
keen kindle
arms is probs disgusting for paladins
sullen dove
to get as much 3stack boss fob as possible
mine did everything they could to make sure i never hit 3 for more than 2 seconds
bitter palm
regal marten
I'm running into a bit of an issue if anyone can tell me. Atm I have Puzzlebox and Alnseer and somehow still have 20-40k below top fury warriors (Unless it's a tank pull issue or I still need major rotation switches). Will running Vorasius heart increase my dps by a lot bcs of Crit?
sullen dove
i will not accept i was supposed to have the whole time
bitter palm
exe dead on st outside of sd afaik
undone flower
may have to actually bind slam on bars for colo
You don’t bind slam as clarms ?
keen kindle
i will not accept i was supposed to have the whole time
Have fun having your macro break evrey time
bitter palm
exe dead on st outside of sd afaik
and very high rage
sullen dove
my macros never messed up
there are sparse occasions i can hit no buttons but ngl thats big rage generation angle
bitter palm
troll..
bitter palm
insta rage starve as both
in m+
i swear i do less dmg in exe phase
no skyfury moment
sullen dove
need exe to generate cm stacks back
ong add that shit
actually feel like it was only a good thing
"oh no the spec that does way less single target than slayer gets a little more value out of execute phase"
undone flower
No u
sullen dove
only should exist as fob fodder
bitter palm
idk exe is slam with a diff animation at this point
sullen dove
ya
undone flower
nah ill take everything you have
They should at least make same cdr on more Col CDs
bitter palm
cs and demo should always align now on st
on aoe u should be able to extend ur cs to fit 2nd demo
sullen dove
?
limpid tide
wish gaze was dropping like that
mossy pelican
Changes reverted, they are bullying us i stg
granite elbow
Mountain Thane is saved
sullen dove
they do be just throwin shit at a dartboard huh
mossy pelican
They got us up against the locker pretending they gonna punch us
stiff maple
fym you know
granite elbow
No, the warrior dev is really a mage dev who is mad that his woman ended up with a warrior main.
stiff maple
Im sure it was a trustworthy source
undone flower
on aoe u should be able to extend ur cs to fit 2nd demo
I always hold everything on CS rn, I accepted to learn arms for paladins 
undone flower
It’s more imagined complexity since you only do 1 rotation on paladins basically
limpid tide
wait really i got told if theres 3 u do the aoe rotation and 2 is st
undone flower
Maybe I missed that point, but the diff in the two is not just MS > Cleave ?
limpid tide
yea kinda
limpid tide
somthing with sweeping strikes windows
has a fury killed m paladins yet
yea 3 of them nice
modest condor
reminds me of uldir when the first fury kill for the later bosses was in like a world rank 200 guild or something
undone flower
I did few pulls as fury I didn’t find it fury specific bad, it’s just arms being among the special kids category
oblique thistle
Maybe I should talk in <#148898720803586048> about this it gets too specific
I mean fury is basically just general chat
I've seen people talk about prot and arms in here all the time lol
undone flower
yes but when we talk about VERY in depth about smth -> just go on that class discord tbf (or channel)
i've already got scolded bc we log reviewed a bdk in #protection
undone flower
or we collectively learned wtf is vdh to help someone on sprocket a random day lel
keen kindle
Archeus is that bad they won't go there?
fading bane
reminds me of uldir when the first fury kill for the later bosses was in like a ...
This tier is so cooked wallahi
Havnt progged as ranged since Uunat
oblique thistle
Archeus is that bad they won't go there?
not really just sometimes it takes a long time for ppl to respond in some of the other discords
modest wave
Fury stonks back up
undone flower
Archeus is that bad they won't go there?
i do not understand why it was kinda not rare in S2, ppl from other tank specs coming in prot channel
oblique thistle
like skyhold is pretty damn active for a class discord
modest wave
Just when I was getting used to arms
oblique thistle
Arms will still be great
keen kindle
like skyhold is pretty damn active for a class discord
True, this is absoutlely the most active class discord
modest wave
Colo prolly gonna go hard though
modest wave
Yeah
modest wave
Gonna be eating good
river willow
Wait is there a new build up
oblique thistle
hotfix on ptr, changes are not announced and not final
but I really hope they go through
woven valley
I still feel like we need a single target boost of some kind
But we are in a decent place
oblique thistle
tuning is tuning
they need to do another tuning pass in general
shits kinda wack rn
modest wave
I mean we are gonna be blasting aoe
echo rapids
True, this is absoutlely the most active class discord
Warriors are known yappers, we speak because we can’t read
keen kindle
Wait this is fury
modest wave
Slarms ST isn’t that bad tbh
oblique thistle
Wait this is fury
oblique thistle
Slarms ST isn’t that bad tbh
nah but colo is
modest wave
Turn off details on boss fights so I dunno
oblique thistle
Probably
woven valley
But overall we aren’t dead
olive wraith
They both need st don’t they
woven valley
Yeah but thane makes up for it with its huge aoe
woven valley
Slayer doesn’t do anything better thane thane really
I mean yes it’s st is better but it’s so small
fading bane
Spins more
woven valley
I mean both fury st are pretty bad in practice
We mostly shine when there’s constant aoe
If there are long spans of one target it’s painful 😓
fading bane
Fury M+ boss dmg is fine, Fury raid boss dmg is awful
woven valley
Pretty much the tldr
fading bane
Everything about fury in raid rn is pretty awful
The only thing you excel at is consistent AoE
Which is not real
odd crater
The trick is to just play with people worse than you to make yourself feel better
fading bane
In the raid
undone flower
I mean yes it’s st is better but it’s so small
yes i wouldn't switch for ST if i was not comfortable on my slurry
- im on paladin, the only boss i play slayer is vorasius
gotta milk that boss dmg 
velvet current
So what is everyone's thoughts on Fury, Are you going Slayer or Thane?
smoky vale
velvet current
I havent played Arms for a LONG time
sullen dove
no time like the present
but fury is survivable now
that they reverted 2 of the worst planned changes
vernal mulch
for aoe, what is our stat prio?
and are st sims more accurate for us than 5t-xt 40s and 5t-xt 5m?
sullen dove
u can sim all of the above if u want to but they should for the most part result in pretty similar sims anyway
vernal mulch
sims tell me i need more haste then mast but when i look at warcraftlogs everyone has higher mastery than me
and aoe is crit then mast right?
burst aoe
sullen dove
only thing that may sharply shift is which trinkets u use
ya u dont rly like hard gear around aoe that much
fury is mostly haste mast and still enjoys a respectable amount of crit but its not like somethin ur trying to focus on
regal marten
Is Vorasius heart that good for overall in m+?
sullen dove
probably yea
maybe drop it if you want like an on use and use gaze or something
but it is like our 2nd best passive trinket for the most part
smoky vale
thats fine
regal marten
With alnseer and puzzlebox
For my gameplay the haste is just right but something feels a bit off
If I switch to vorasius I'm thinking to get less crit and more haste/mastery
vernal mulch
ya u dont rly like hard gear around aoe that much
what?
sullen dove
idk u can sim like 5target 5minute with both combos of trinkets and see if this is just for m+
vernal mulch
u can sim all of the above if u want to but they should for the most part result...
i am simming but sims seem to differ from what the top logs are
sullen dove
what?
you dont have like 2 sets of gear to swap between st and aoe you pretty much just wear the same stuff for both, only maybe swapping some trinkets sometimes and even rarer some jewelry but usually not significant
regal marten
idk u can sim like 5target 5minute with both combos of trinkets and see if this ...
Good idea
sullen dove
whats diff from top logs for u tho, cuz i mean ppl have different gear and sims only really work for your own character
sullen dove
yea
smoky vale
why not 10?
sullen dove
cuz 6s is faster
smoky vale
man i dont have hero of the whatever man
regal marten
6am pushing is crazy
rain sierra
is thane still better than slayer for M+
sullen dove
what does that mean
sullen dove
6am pushing is crazy
11pm for correct continent individuals..
sullen dove
is thane still better than slayer for M+
yes
undone flower
6am pushing is crazy
Ruski ?
regal marten
Romanian
smoky vale
cluegi
undone flower
Or Eastern Europe I guess yes
undone flower
It is the time lfg turns into hieroglyphs
regal marten
I am 3275 rio and ppl get some 3100 frost mage
Thanks blizzard for removing my RB RoS proc
undone flower
I took a 2700 rio Aug in a 16 but he was 7/9 mythic
regal marten
The fact hack and slash gives 100% refund doesn't warm my heart
regal marten
I took a 2700 rio Aug in a 16 but he was 7/9 mythic
Those are real gems
Today I did the same with a healer and he saved me bless his soul for fury have no more denfensives
The more I play fury the more I fall deeper in this rabbit hole
I just checked simms to see that I've been doing rotation for 5 target wrong for a long time now
undone flower
yes, you don't tc spam in 5t
regal marten
What about no avatar?
undone flower
wdym
regal marten
TC doesn't have the 50% buff if you don't have avatar
Which is like 10-15% of a fight sometimes
Wtf am I saying
Gn guys
vernal mulch
you dont have like 2 sets of gear to swap between st and aoe you pretty much jus...
yea but there are some same slot items that sim a bit differently so
was tryna min max
sullen dove
if ya wanna sure
vast gorge
what should we be crafting after weapon and bracers?
sullen dove
maybe fill your lowest ilvl piece or if u get a 2hand can make a 2nd arcano yea on cape or belt or something
vernal mulch
but ive been told that ST sim APIs in general are more accurate than aoe ones so i should put more weight to the ST sims
was curious if that was accurate for fury
undone flower
but ive been told that ST sim APIs in general are more accurate than aoe ones so...
it's more that the game puts more weight to ST, you can sim AoE if you wants to
vernal mulch
it's more that the game puts more weight to ST, you can sim AoE if you wants to
but a lot of raid encounters tis season and keys in general has a lot of burst aoe and some sustained aoe tho
and the person specifically said ST API is more accurate
undone flower
raid is about killing the boss
sim 2 targets for dragons, you do not care about min-max add dmg
sim 1 target for chimaerus
undone flower
and the person specifically said ST API is more accurate
APL*
vernal mulch
sry APL lul
i want dmg
ill worry about not ratting when my RL tells me to or when i need to lock in during prog
undone flower
Are you not progging ?
undone flower
It's the time I get invited into keys
river willow
Wait did they revert the thane changes
undone flower
river willow
Oh ty sorry didn’t see that
shy bronze
What does one gotta do around here to get a 5% aura/10% Rampage/BT buff?
humble plover
be a better class
dapper goblet
warriors never allowed to suffer
rare garnet
warriors always winning
vestal root
Thane jail
tulip tundra
What does one gotta do around here to get a 5% aura/10% Rampage/BT buff?
seriously
sullen dove
warriors never allowed to suffer
your voodoo will not work here
unborn delta
we still going arms 💪
cloud pond
guys hello, we need to use rend on our rotation of mt fury?
sullen dove
it mt means mountain thane then no but if it means multi target as slayer then yes
though in 2 weeks i think that yes also becomes a no
cloud pond
ty
pure echo
@edgy widget sorry to ping, but is that change for imp WW applying rend still in 12.5?
bc if so nice from a gameplay perspective
undone flower
it's still there yes
the current changes are : reap no longer on BT -> ramp when imp ww, rend on ww, 20% bladestorm, hack n slash is 100% 1 rb reset
livid arch
blizzard doesn't hate us!
somber elk
So with Updates Theres still no reap from bt and sudden death?
undone flower
Sudden death reap is back to what it is rn
somber elk
Atleast that
undone flower
Yes it’s slayer talent
vestal root
Yeah yeah
undone flower
somber elk
Wonder with spec is Best now in m+
vestal root
Thane probably still
undone flower
Still slarms for highest keys I guess
dapper goblet
your voodoo will not work here
piggy
undone flower
winter shoal
DH afk or
undone flower
DH afk or
no, he just has a tank friend
wrong to expect ppl higher rio than me to be decent at wow
dapper goblet
fotm red oinker
if i had it my way i'd be pink piggy
undone flower
if they could be gnome i would be a pink piggy
sullen dove
if i had it my way i'd be pink piggy
maybe tell ur guild what ur playing instead of the other way around
undone flower
but xeos is a bottom, he can't do that
jaunty sonnet
Do you use odyns fury before or after Recklessness and Avatar?
dapper goblet
well i'm like a versatile beast mode handsome player
sullen dove
bottom'd by vil
sullen dove
i am as versatile as it gets
yeah
and he is a beast
unfortunately i am god himself on this brown class
so wcyd
dapper goblet
undone flower
dapper goblet
do i get rainbow sorbert or cherry vanilla icecream
butter pecan
dapper goblet
@foggy thicket your guild?
foggy thicket
kinda close ngl
foggy thicket
yeah..
unborn delta
Is that real
foggy thicket
thx man :)
undone flower
Is that real
they ended up killing it https://youtu.be/63hGdTPq5cw?si=R6yiywJij0JQ816n
unborn delta
earnest fox
Gonna start stashing crit gear in case a snowy day comes
unborn delta
Woah
undone flower
a testament to the perseverance of laval
squishvegan was as perseverant as laval ? or he joined later
unborn delta
those adds lived forever
Must be nice
the devourers just slurp them all up immediately in my guild
sullen dove
was there before i joined
unborn delta
I have to go Colo to steal orb pad on dragons
undone flower
just hold OF for adds and be enlightened boss dmg
wary salmon
patent osprey
So my 230 ilvl Sub Rogue that i hit 90 with yesterday is out dpsing my 264 ilvl fury war (with myth main and crafted weapon offhand)...what am i doing wrong
oh and sub rogue i'm using single button dps...
undone flower
I have to go Colo to steal orb pad on dragons
ethical pad (void orb dmg)
vernal mulch
Are you not progging ?
we are early into mythic so im not too concerned
and i want as much dam on reclears too
so is st apl more accurate than aoe or no
keen kindle
Generally yes
winter shoal
so is st apl more accurate than aoe or no
What do you mean by accurate?
Doing top dam on reclears will largely depend on everyone else in your group not padding so that you can
vernal mulch
Generally yes
does it not change from spec to spec? ik someone said that for arms i wanna see if its true for fury
vernal mulch
Doing top dam on reclears will largely depend on everyone else in your group not...
yea i want to control what i can
like capitalizing on burst when adds are alive
undone flower
Best pad capitalism move is to have your CDs when adds are alive so it depends on many factors
No sim will tell you you need a PI (or more haste) to consistently have CDs on a specific add spawn or stuff like that
edgy widget
ethical pad <:okayge:917646812519739433> (void orb dmg)
your Devourer must have been on vacation
undone flower
your Devourer must have been on vacation
milking boss dmg i guess
im too devourer unknower to visualize
sullen dove
saved from itself
saved on the whole however ehhh
think could still use a nice lil fluff up to make us not complete dumpster dogshit on the last 3 bosses of the tier
altho arms might be himothy on alleria based on my p1 experience however the few pulls i saw p2 did not look pretty, but led to believe it should go up by p3 with some nice exe 2t cleave surely
fading sky
saved from itself
Oh ye saved from absolute asss gameplay
south lintel
Wait is ww spam optimal with .5 changes
fading sky
I just like sd reaps
Our tuningstill dog for raid
We have low st and low burst
So we want full uptime for mediocre dmg
In season 3 at least when we had full uptime we blasted
sand thistle
Guys as fury slayer should i always cleave sudden death with ww stacks or if im at 2 its ok to send even if i dont have improved ww?
sullen dove
Wait is ww spam optimal with .5 changes
hasn’t been entertained since like 2-3 weeks ago no
when they had reap be a proc chance off ww
fading sky
Guys as fury slayer should i always cleave sudden death with ww stacks or if im ...
Wdym
If more than 1 targer
Y u wanna hitnem
sullen dove
should always just have ww up
fading sky
No reason not 2
sullen dove
free dmg no reason to give it up
fading sky
Now slayer needs a buff to aa + rb
sand thistle
It feels bad sometimes that im at 2 sd stacks, no ww and at 90 rage. So then i have to ww then sd
sullen dove
I think it’d be pretty uncommon to sit on 2 stacks of sd that long
but yeah
unless u like just came out of a bladestorm or something
sullen dove
I mean execute is your third in like button after ramp/bt
sand thistle
Yea
upbeat plume
also maximizing rage to that degree is extremely negligible if even noticable performance wise
sullen dove
eh I mean you can if u want to get some easy cdr on it after
sand thistle
So that i sd after for cdr
fading sky
But then it shouldnt feel bad
sullen dove
but like you most likely should just have ww stacks up before going into the bladestorm
fading sky
Coz tjatsbtge choice u made
sullen dove
in this hypothetical
fading sky
Y
sullen dove
phone moment
sand thistle
Theoretically yea but sometimes you forget 😆
sullen dove
Yea I mean at the end of the day if u skip it for like a single global kinda whatever
just in practice try not to
just free “make my execute do 50% more dmg on another target” button for the most part
sand thistle
But 2 stack sd is prio even over bt and ram right?