fury

[brittle stone]

Im aiming at 90+ on heroic, got 75 with 0 cleave on the boss with Thane. I guess I should switch to Slayer for pure ST on salhaadar ? And Cleave a bit on the orbs whenever I get the opportunity?

[compact siren]

@lost saffron how is your cow?

[fading sky]

boss should be close to orbs

[tribal ice]

I tried out slayer in raids but i cant get any good damage in. Switched to thane and it just went better, still parsing grey but not single digits. Probably just because there’s easier padding in thane, I’m def not a good metric on which is better haha

[fading sky]

its kindda hard though as all my parses even in hc this tier is heavily tank dependant

take 1st boss

if u dont tank adds in cleave range

for meelee no parse

[tribal ice]

Noticed that as well, I parse green when I don’t get any mechanics to handle. But if I get just two or three mechanics I gotta go drop off away or such it’s single digits grey

[heavy galleon]

What's the new voidforge on 12.0.5 ? We can improve trinket and weapons ?

[fading sky]

should not be a thing though

what mechanics makes u loose dmg ?:D

voracious 100% uptime if u are just a BIT greedyt

dragons same

saladbar leap out late charge back in with orb

vanguard. pray tanks and healers can paly

cosmos go to bench next 2 repeat

[white nest]

Beloren is also kinda cooked for a fury log as a lot of groups are doing the one egg burst strat. If you do that go Thane as you get more burst damage than slayer even though it's st.

[fading sky]

Also

Thane and slayer st is ALMOST same

so

i mean

what is it 3-4% difference

[tribal ice]

We do orbs on sallad away from boss, and on cosmos I’m dropping a lot of dps when the obelisks come up. Or when I gotta run an arrow to the mini bosses

If I get early arrow I’m usually the one who has to leap across to get the further bosses ahead of time

[fading sky]

Wait u are tanking opposite day on cosmos ?

meh we just kill em 1 2 3

anyways dont trust me on cosmog my parse is 70

i cant get enough pad off in p1

[tribal ice]

i got like 7 haha so anything is good

Idk what im doin wrong, trying to figure it out and gather some data so i can ask for help better

[fading sky]

so what prio rotation do u do

in ST

in cds

whats ya enrage uptime ?

[brittle stone]

@fading sky how much did you parse on hc king ?

[tribal ice]

We sick everyone on 1, take first two arrows to 2 and 3

Let me boot my pc and get you those nums

[fading sky]

99

[brittle stone]

Ok slayer or Thane ? Where you able to cleave orbs with boss?

[fading sky]

i mean

it was early

very early

24 march

[brittle stone]

Oh

What you name in game

[fading sky]

same

but nah i played slayer and i mainly just killed boss

and what ever orb i could ww at

but y u try to kill em somewhat closer

[brittle stone]

Ok juste checked your fight are way shorter than mine like 1 minute shorter sometimes more

[fading sky]

yeah coz raid in gen is better

always helps esp going from like 85-99

my mythic parses are truer as it shows more limitation of our raid grp

well tbh chimera can go F it self

my vanguard rocks though at 67 place

obviously as arms

[brittle stone]

Yeah you did you 99 early so its lower today

I'll try slayer and hope to find a tank that let me cleave

[tribal ice]

I try to follow the prio rotations from the wowhead guide, I know I mess it up a whole lot. I'm struggling with how to train up my rotational confidence. I know I'm messing something up because I get pretty starved sometimes or I get overwhelmed when things happen and then I start goofing it up by pressing the wrong things.

Enrage uptime is way low at 70%

I've been hitting the dummies the past couple of days trying to get more confident in just uninterrupted standing still rotational practice, and seen some improvement, and then joined a pug or a raidfinder version of the fights for some low stakes rotation practice with mechanics involved. Like I know the rotation and prios, but when it's all going down it goes out the window

[fading sky]

i mean for real where

is youre Rage bar

and how does ya UI look like ?

[tribal ice]

I got it all centered with essentials and a health/rage bar right on my character pretty much

[tribal ice]

Saw immediate improvement getting it in there though, that was new this week

Pretty much that, hold on

[fading sky]

so basicly what i keep an eye on is rage at 100 send ramp

bt if u can

rb if u must

end of story

clap at 2 charges

if thane if slayer slot in Exe after BT

[fickle abyss]

Are we gonna play slayer on m+ after TC nerf?

[tribal ice]

Testing out UI adjustments, changing to this yesterday helped a lot

[fading sky]

i do feel ya need to center it a bit more

but its not bad

Also are u playing at 30 frames ?

what ui are u using ?

if u say elvui, we know why u pc be struggelins

[tepid beacon]

are there any guides for current Midnight Season M+ mobs that you can use spell reflect on?

[tribal ice]

Oh it's saying 30 cause I'm technically tabbed out of the game

[fading sky]

ah

[tribal ice]

I'm using a wago luna UI setup, just minimal UI adjustments and centered CMC bar

[fading sky]

oki i am an luxthos and UFF enjoyer

with sensei resourcebars

because lets be honest, i need it to look like it did the last 4 weakauras seasons i playee

[tribal ice]

Still trying to find what I like, I set all this up yesterday in prep for the raid and then I went on an alt and nuked my profile by accident

[fading sky]

or my brain goes into the dumpster

[tribal ice]

I like it pretty minimal, I want to know when my enrage is about to drop, I want to know when I have stacks, I want to know my whirlwind stacks, and I want to know when I'm at 100 rage

[fading sky]

so checking my voracious fight

on mythic my uptime on enrage

99.24

[tribal ice]

sick

[fading sky]

nah quite common and easy achieveable

keep in mind BT prolongs enrage

it should never drop off

in keys ofc different story coz keys and shit

Chimeras its 90, because theres downtime and i fucked up once or twice at adds coz i was panic interruptin for no reason

[tribal ice]

Checking the last couple of vora kills for me

Yeah, around 80-90% uptime, I think I might send rampage prematurely so I don't have enough rage to upkeep

[fading sky]

i mean its rather important outside cds ye

to have a bit of awareness towards that

in cds not so much

[tribal ice]

Chimaerus is my best parse, the only green

[fading sky]

rule is IF u arent enraged

send it INSTANTLY

if u can prolong and have spare rage room on bar send the bt

[hallow helm]

Do we feel like fury st is low? All logs shows padding but adds die way to fast now.

[fading sky]

LOL

YES

it simply is low

sims show it

[tribal ice]

You got any thoughts on a good way to just practice rotation confidence?

[fading sky]

when dks are 20k ahead and rets 15-18k

[hallow helm]

Can we shut down the discord so bliz buffs us?!

[fading sky]

for real

to me

only thing that works is keys

while maintaining a high focus on the rotation

because dummies for me does nothing

but i would suggest

[hallow helm]

Yeah let’s I fuck times 18s now

[fading sky]

dummy 30m look if u do it Rights

[tribal ice]

Yeah that makes sense

[hallow helm]

But raid is be lucky to get 90k st with a aug

[fading sky]

then try in 10-12s

nothing to high, but high enough that it matters

then again try to focus mainly on rotation when u feel it "sits" try opening up to dodge more mechanics as well

ucan survive a lot as fury in 10s

[fading sky]

Also MOST important thing EVER as melee

always hit boss

ALWAYS

when u dodge u dodge so u can still dmg him

because if u dont have 100% uptime we are cooked

[tribal ice]

🙌 really appreciate the advice man, i know what to work on

So fucking cooked

[fading sky]

i know it sounds super basic

oh y and just send cooldowns

never hold em

just send em take it from there later on

[tribal ice]

always sending them already, uptime on those is good i think

[fading sky]

sweet

well ofc if thane

make sure u have reck avatar combined macro easier if u cba to press 2 keys

[tribal ice]

Yeah I'm thane, I still had that macro from ye olden days

[warm crag]

Wtf

[tribal ice]

oh ill get on that

[oblique trail]

1 day latency

you certainly aren't meowing 5 times per second

[last vessel]

Odd question

Is the slayer buffs looking good or bad for fury in 12.0.5 so far?

It looks pretty good so far, but I may be not understanding it fully

[signal falcon]

You get some QoL in whirlwind applying rend

and Bladestorm will be buffed

But Reap no longer triggers in single target

And there’s nothing announced so far to really compensate for that

So doesn’t look particularly great

[fading sky]

yeah

so overall Tuning looks bad

but Qol looks good

[tardy lark]

you were described as "oh the guy that said meow" in sabo

[oblique trail]

rest in peace meow wa @clever belfry

[clever belfry]

gg

its so over

[oblique trail]

this can only be positive, and I left a mark upon them

[jaunty sonnet]

Any tips to getting an offhand ? xD been trying for 2 weeks now and 0 drops. got myth crafted mainhand 285. and still a blue OH

[vestal root]

Idk why but skyreach dropped like 3 times

Best tip is play with dk and ret pala and pray weapon drops so they trade you

You can get champion weapons from delves at least

[jaunty sonnet]

trying my best. its really annoying xD also looting in Arms specc

[white nest]

That doesn't make a difference anymore thankfully

[jaunty sonnet]

1H only drops for prot?

[white nest]

Yeah they changed it in pre patch

[jaunty sonnet]

thanks. quite new to warrior, trying out different classes to see what fits me 😄

[white nest]

Single minded fury doesn't exist as a talent anymore. It just lets you transmog two handers in to one handers, including daggers.

[vestal root]

Dagger warrior

We playin guild wars 2

[vestal root]

Didnt even know lol but ima keep on arms just because

[white nest]

Tradition 😂

[jaunty sonnet]

A weak OH does that mean alot towards ones DPS? i feel like im really low on DPS and im not sure if its my rotation or the OH that does it

[vestal root]

Ofc it affects your dmg

But as said go do bountiful delves and weapon is gonna drop surely

[white nest]

Btw it's mythic 0 week. So you get extra loot from the final boss. They could get you a quick champ one.

[vestal root]

Also true

Especially if you take other 2h specs with you

[white nest]

Or just hyper spam magisters terrace and pray

[jaunty sonnet]

i keep trying, else in a few weeks i can craft another weapon XD

[cobalt relic]

@vestal root hey baby

[vestal root]

hello there

[supple glen]

if you are not sure its rotation. usually its rotation if you think its not

so revisit that first

as for the oh you can just sim

[jaunty sonnet]

theres alot to my rotation, thats for sure no doubt about it.. im still learning the class and its skills.

[supple glen]

i like having the prio list on a 2nd screen to remind me sometimes haha

even if it kinda short

esp after trying out thane and slayer and arms and mixing thigns up

[jaunty sonnet]

i just feel like theres always atleast 3 skills to use at the same time. and GCD is a bitch xD

[supple glen]

there clearly isnt, but muscle memory just tends to send rampage early which is bad later on

and then you gotta fill tclap st like an idiot

🙁

[jaunty sonnet]

when do we raging blow?

to fill when bloodthirst and Rampe is unavailable?

[hardy cargo]

when you can do nothing but whirlwind

[supple glen]

very rarely given clean rotation and good rng it feels like

[jaunty sonnet]

ive read Wowhead. just like the extra confirmation from people who know abit more than me 😄

[unborn delta]

hi mopman

[supple glen]

cover blown

[tepid beacon]

do you guys bother talenting wrecking throw if it can silence casters in m+?

[coarse nest]

Yes

[fallen ginkgo]

always have it

a lot fo shields

[tepid beacon]

sweet

[knotty hill]

Execute cant trigger it?

[tepid beacon]

for spell reflects on trash as well as bosses, are you guys using any spell reflect guides? it would be cool to have an addon that explained enemy weaknesses, what can be reflected etc. right now I am just using the Maxroll link for spell reflects

[past wyvern]

It can, but only if it hits another target via iw

[knotty hill]

Why do they hate us

[granite crown]

90% of the time a sheet doesn't really change the decisionmaking imo. You press it basically on CD for DR anyway

[quiet helm]

Hi, quick question Is Mountain Thane basically over in 12.0.5, and is Slayer the only viable option now?

[tepid beacon]

yea but certain enemy abilties can't be reflected right?

[granite crown]

No but you get a magic damage reduction when you press it, so it's always worth pressing on basically anything dangerous

[tepid beacon]

fair play, ty!

[tepid beacon]

I'd like to know this too, nerf looks like it's gonna suck

[granite crown]

Couple weeks of tuning left, looks bad atm but anything can change at any point tbh. Might get UDK'd and cop a 20% nerf/buff depending on pure vibes idk

[quiet helm]

Thanks!

[novel wadi]

Spent days deciding on which class/spec I want and landed on Mountain Thane. I only really do Delves/Solo/Heroic/Low level Mythics/Raid Finder.. Am I going to be OK?

[junior oyster]

gonna be just fine

[tardy lark]

If you arent doing content where people are giga meta slaves, ThanE Fury is plenty good

[junior oyster]

practically invincible in solo stuff

[novel wadi]

Noticed this in delves last night. Have only got to tier 8 so far (lack of game time) but noticed my Fury warrior is sat at 100% HP where my Arms warrior was occasionally dying.

[junior oyster]

I barely break a sweat in 11 delves lol

Unless you go real dumb and dont pick up valeera's hearts, you'll have no issue

[tardy lark]

helps that your highest priority rotational button also heals a % of your hp every time you press it

[novel wadi]

Thank god for that 😂

[junior oyster]

and shit will die constantly putting your impending victory back up

[tender seal]

@tardy lark Gz on Alleria. I look forward to progging it the same way as you

[tardy lark]

yeah that kill was really hard for me

i really put effort in

so much effort that my playerframe turned hunter colored

not playing this dogshit design of a class rest of the tier outside maintaining it and getting bis before next tier

[stoic loom]

hopefully it also made you do 50% more boss damage

[tardy lark]

nah, i just play the new season 1 of war within fury

this just doesnt get nerfed for some reason while doing the same thing we did back then

[stoic loom]

useless pad?

[tardy lark]

i mean adds always have to die regardless

this time its ok that hunters are brought for that reason

but wasnt ok that fury was

[steep fable]

what do you guys think is better puzzle box 263ilvl or heart of ancient hunger 250ilvl

[tardy lark]

if you like cbt, then puzzle box

if you wanna vibe, then hunger

[undone flower]

Can a fury kill beloren ? We are not enough bottom in all bosses wcl page for buffs

[fickle vector]

Looking to do my first ever recraft on my 2h. I’m so noob to this, what are the best things to put with it besides mythcrests?

And what are the best secondary stats?

[bitter palm]

i love when my dh presses collapsing star on chimaerus adds

and the adds disappear from my screen

[tardy lark]

but its a 4 second cast so its ok 🙂

[bitter palm]

funny how they take 1 (one) talent that makes it aoe

meanwhile arms has 9 aoe talents

👍

[tardy lark]

yea i think im just a ranged alt player so i can reroll easily

[supple glen]

box has shown that people hate having downside to really good things. just let us be op, off gcd at best

[tardy lark]

theres kind of a difference when you are a caster in the first place

[supple glen]

4s is not okay

[tardy lark]

it doesnt feel horrible on mm hunter, but it does feel horrible on warrior

[bitter palm]

it's insane btw cause im gearing dk yeah

[supple glen]

but fair

[tardy lark]

but the amount of misalignment a 2 min trinket has with warrior also adds to that

[bitter palm]

their trees are so much bettee

like their class tree

is legit just defensives and random util

[tardy lark]

if one of our dk guys go back to enh sham main, im going dk alt i think

[undone flower]

Does Focused Ray still work on 3 targets ?

[supple glen]

what. dk tree has to be the most lame tree ever. not a single ability whre im like YEAH i want this

[bitter palm]

no idea

[supple glen]

you import from wowhead and done

[bitter palm]

ye bro ure telling me u don't want deaths echo

[bitter palm]

unholy is so mind numbing to play icl

rider at least

idk sanlayn

[supple glen]

agree

[bitter palm]

epidemic scourge strike scourge strike epidemic scourge strike

👍

[supple glen]

echo is nice to have at best

idk, personally i went through the dk tree and 90% was some dmg increase id have to sim to know ifi want it

even warrior has shit that i clearly want

and where im sad i have to decide for something else or when the sim says to not take it

[bitter palm]

yeah shit u clearly want but cant take

like why is our class tree

so offensive

[somber yarrow]

warrior smash

[bitter palm]

why are we still talenting into our defensives in spec trees

[supple glen]

meta builds will always be a thing unfortunately but at least i can dream until i visit wowhead

[dense elbow]

No need to dream, I dont even check wowhead and I get to do what I want of content either way

just do what you want

[supple glen]

play windwalker, loving the rotation

wish itd be good

[dense elbow]

It aint bad, so hey

Just play it

[supple glen]

i will, just hard to get invites bringing nothing

[dense elbow]

So they say about warrior, I still get invited

Monk also got nice tech in a lot of dungs to help out

[supple glen]

i regularly get pug raid invites only for bs

and my main is kinda well maintained with 274 so i think thats helping

[dense elbow]

Ye, I would invite that for HC

271+, is my HC invite limit atm

Then i chill on my 230

[supple glen]

230 raidleader only inviting different armor types 🔥

[burnt oxide]

bold of you to assume that they have above 200 ilvl

[unborn delta]

i had a 170ilvl protp ally hosting a hc chimaerus

[dense elbow]

Then you reduce the chance to get your token, all of em same type, all overgearing it so they cant need

[supple glen]

kek.

[dense elbow]

As the trinky sells for 1 to 2 million gold, ye, I do that too

[supple glen]

damn i saw something offering 200k yday

cheapskate

[dense elbow]

Kek

[supple glen]

mythic even

his angle was that you unlock it in the vault

[dense elbow]

Mythic prob gotta go for at least a mill, even if the group dont have 25 ppl bidding

Surely

[candid sorrel]

Does 170 ppal even survive the adds?

[plush cypress]

what is the best trnket combination for m+ if i have 276 heart?

[gleaming crag]

this coulda been a box 🙁

[flat river]

balls?

[supple glen]

shoulda called them drakeballs to evade copyright claims

[bold forge]

Do the epic boes from raid drop the same version from all raid difficulty? Or is it scaled to difficulty same as boss loot?

[rare garnet]

Hey, no issues with that. They’re serving value by being willing to organize group. I don’t wanna sit there and invite people so I’m happy to carry one person!

[plush cypress]

?

[red storm]

is rampaging ruin not worth it?

[gleaming crag]

i run it cause why not free dmg on one of our top dmg abilities

[red storm]

why is it not suggested in wow head

[echo rapids]

It makes your rampage do more damage to more mobs at high target counts

But less damage to your target, and way less if you only have 1 or a few targets

It also costs a point and we are always strapped

[white portal]

what addons you all rocking for arms warrior

[white portal]

fury warrior is pretty trash right now in all honesty

[gleaming crag]

fucking back to back

are you kidding me

[echo rapids]

It’s not trash

[gleaming crag]

itll be better after they nerf us eye roll

[white portal]

It's not in a good s tate though

[glass steppe]

there is any hope for slayer in m+?

i just feel that is so much effort to make it work recently

[white portal]

fury warrior is strong in mythic keys (MT)

[echo rapids]

If our ST was tuned a little better we would be in an Amazing spot for this tier

[gleaming crag]

I just take a point out of this and throw it into rampaging ruin

because 5% bt and raging blow dmg isnt much

[echo rapids]

This is like the greatest raid season for our damage profile in a long time

[glass steppe]

yea in raid it rocks

[echo rapids]

But our ST tuning holds us back

[white portal]

fights like belo'ren make a warrior feel like a hinder

[echo rapids]

We can take either good burst aoe (slayer) or good sustained aoe (thane) at like zero cost to our ST

Our ST is just ass

[white portal]

100%

that is the problem @echo rapids

[worn rain]

bruh

[white portal]

and so much of the raids are ST

There are AOE opportunities and warriors have the stat pad around those moments

in order to optimize a parse

Even then warriors don't have the best AOE.

is is somewhere between good and great, but many classes will make us sweat on aoe

[earnest tiger]

This is just a straight up DPS loss across the board right

[dense elbow]

We aint the best at anything, but we are ok at everything

perfect for most non-RWF guilds

[white portal]

^^^^^^^^

[dense elbow]

[echo rapids]

Think of it this way. I can take good aoe without losing ST, so other raid members can go full ST

[gleaming crag]

when you press raging blow like none of the time and rampage more than blood thirst I like running it

[worn rain]

read RR again

it's 35% damage loss for your rampage at bonus of not being hardcapped 5 target

[hushed dust]

So what are we doing for m+ after 12.0.5 fucking guts thane

[echo rapids]

Also I feel like pad is over used. It’s only really pad on like saladbar and crown p1

[worn rain]

closing discord

[hushed dust]

If only

[echo rapids]

Adds do have to die

[earnest tiger]

range dps are the ones who are padding on crown p1, at least our "pad" (that directly benefits the raid with damage amp) kills the blobs on top of the mob (most of the time anyways)

[gleaming crag]

I vote we do

[white portal]

I agree with both of you here.

[gleaming crag]

worked for ret

[echo rapids]

The real pad on P1 is saving cooldowns for when the voidwalkers get stacks lol

700k bloodbath crits!

[earnest tiger]

i mean if it means you do more dps then it's also not pad since they must die

I'm trying to think if there is actually any true pad this tier

[echo rapids]

Definitely

Mythic salad bar?

I mean all adds have to die

But charging over to blow them up instead of cleaving them as they come in is kind paddy

[earnest tiger]

idk mythic salad bar so can't comment

but most of the time adds are just where you are anyway / or they're the prio

[echo rapids]

Yeah

Imperator adds are sort of pad since it’s really the big add that has to die fast

[honest tapir]

Hey anyone know the nerfs* people were worried about on pTR or upcoming patch?

Also. I don’t have the luxury of a farming guild or group. But in pugs where DPS meters determine if you can stay or not. Or if you are in guild on farm for bosses. There’s no reason not to pad.

[lyric panther]

12.0.5 on april 21st NA

[lean osprey]

April 21st

[gleaming crag]

we should close the class discord before then so they dont go through with the nerf lol

[white portal]

warriors are getting nerfed?!?!

[last belfry]

the correct is when isn`t

[white portal]

lol

[lyric panther]

Think colossus is getting buffed, thane and slayer nerfed.

[spare steppe]

Colossus is an abomination

[tardy lark]

arms is up good thane is especially down bad in 12.0.5

[outer talon]

Arms is up so fury can be down, if fury is up arms will be down, this is the only way Blizzard knows how to balance warriors

[lyric panther]

needed to play arms anyway for vanguard mythic next week, might as well get practicing early

[dim spindle]

Surely blizzard will be buffing other abilities to compensate before the 21st.

Surely.

[worn rain]

[last belfry]

[gleaming crag]

I feel like they missed their mark with warrior in general they tried to simplify classes and specilizations across the board right? But with warrior dps specs they over complicated them.

[supple glen]

it doesnt get any easier than fury?

[forest ginkgo]

I mean i feel that this is one of the more difficult iterations of warrior atm

In terms of prio list and so on

[supple glen]

arms feels annoying

[gleaming crag]

its way more complicated than TWW fury

[forest ginkgo]

Atleast fury warrior*

[rare garnet]

I feel like rend needs to just go away from both specs. Slam needs to die already. And make OF and bladestorm give WW stack. Coming out of a BS and potentially needing to WW is da poop

[supple glen]

lol

[forest ginkgo]

Is way more difficult than other iterations

[supple glen]

theres like 1 condition on when to press rampage

[forest ginkgo]

The idea isnt that overall its difficult

the idea is that its the more difficult iteration

[stoic loom]

Not even true anymore

[forest ginkgo]

I mean im not complaining, i love it

[supple glen]

its not easy bc yougotta decide fast. but the rotaion isnt complex

[forest ginkgo]

And its not like it is "hard"

[stoic loom]

I picked up fire and frost mage, shadow priest, mm huntrr

[forest ginkgo]

But it is harder than different versions of fury

[stoic loom]

None of them are harder than fury

[supple glen]

crazy

[forest ginkgo]

Yepp

I have played devourer dh, unholy dk and demo warlock

Muuuuch easier imo rotation wise

Or prio list wise

But again, its not like fury is per se "hard" to play

If anything this new version is more fun

[supple glen]

maybe im baised bc i played warr for a while and its jsut the same button as always with a similar prio

[gleaming crag]

I enjoyed the TWW version send cds and spam raging blow

[quiet geyser]

Fury is pretty forgiving. Ya the AoE rotation looks pretty convoluted, but pressing something out of order, as long as its rampage/bt/tc isn't that big of a deal

[tender seal]

Nooowayyyy aagardhuntergodx?

[main geode]

Could anyone link me where the class changes are posted?

[frozen cosmos]

I miss the old RA design I feel like it would flow much better with the apex talent and make RB not a dead button

[tender seal]

Stærkt navn 👍

[tardy lark]

was between agrdhontas and aagaardhntas

[gleaming crag]

40% less thunderclap dmg all you need to know

[quiet geyser]

First xeos.. now aagaard. Bobby is taking all our brethrens

[tardy lark]

i am not playing whatever dogshit this version of warrior is so im hunter rest of tier lol

[tender seal]

Maybe i should bring Kongsbigdik out from retirement... hunter is lvl 80 lol

[quiet geyser]

Ya fully agree with you. my passion is completely gone this tier

[tender seal]

Warrior is okay fun in keys tho

[tardy lark]

same

[tender seal]

But only okay

[tardy lark]

sometimes wish i cared about keys

[quiet geyser]

For now. .5 will change that atleast for fury

[gleaming crag]

for 2 more weeks

[tender seal]

Arms is good fury is meh

[gleaming crag]

my arms single target for raid sims 5000 lower

[tender seal]

Was still talking about being okay in m+ 😄 raid is just .... Meh.. both speccs

[gleaming crag]

I tried slarms it wasnt as good aoe wise

[tender seal]

If only we where allowed to have more upfront burst 🙂

[quiet geyser]

Burst isnt an issue

Fury just sucks. Period. Absolutely sucks

[lyric panther]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/1205-ptr-development-notes/2270121/4

[tender seal]

Could always be worse

[inland flame]

Lowkey I just want Enraged Regen back without having to lose dam, altho at least it's a small amount of dam

[quiet geyser]

Thst could legit be fixed by just swapping ER and fresh meat

[inland flame]

Just make ER baseline 5head

[stoic loom]

Nerfing ur only uncapped aoe by 30% when you re not even one of the good specs

[quiet geyser]

Well no, most classes need to take defensives in their tree, but like arms, just a more mandatory spot.

No1 takes invigorating fury so just get rid of it, and fresh meat is so useless but needed for pathing

[stoic loom]

Ye i guess it could be worse, they could just delete the spec

[quiet geyser]

Literally just swap the 2 spots lol (ER and fresh meat)

[inland flame]

Aoe Ramp being usable would also be kinda nice lol

[tardy lark]

this version of the fury tree going live where its optimal to not take your defensive is illegal

[inland flame]

Blizz trying to teach more people to use dstance

[quiet geyser]

I just dont know why they made DBTS mandatory but ER optional (and a dps loss to take)

[gleaming crag]

puzzlebox goes up for roll i roll afucking 3

like come on

[sullen dove]

game did you a favor

[frank dawn]

Real and true

[gleaming crag]

I want something to use my hero badges on

[dry hawk]

Why do I feel like due to BT/BB Crits it's gonna remain ok. The button fucks shit up

[mossy pelican]

Cause those buttons aren’t where the damage is

But we’re holding out for more tuning announcements because surely they won’t delete warrior the way it is now

Surely ™

[supple glen]

im taking er instead of warpaint lol. prob not a great decision but taking dps loss feels worse

[modest condor]

warpaint is significantly better than ER

if you want to take ER (which you should, i hard disagree with this whole "don't take ER" thing that everybody is doing) you should drop one of the smaller dps nodes

[supple glen]

my reasoning is that i suck and id rather have a real defensive for when i clipped shit on the ground again. if you really push keys the 10% dr will be noticeable overall ofc

[stiff maple]

Not taking ER is cringe behavior on anything except easy reclear for sure

[supple glen]

ya

[stiff maple]

You have dstance, healthstone, and health pot

Really just take both. Take warpaint and ER

[mossy pelican]

Idk I’ve done fine without it, first 4 + chim are free, play arms for paladins and get benched for crown 😎

[burnt oxide]

Dont forget sr

[stiff maple]

But if youre gonna choose please go warpaint

[supple glen]

x)

ya fuck fresh meat ig

[burnt oxide]

Cant skip it due to talent pathing iirc

[dense elbow]

[olive wraith]

Cap

[supple glen]

sorry massacre

[stiff maple]

If i saw a warrior join my key on any real level not speccing into ER im just kicking them

[quiet geyser]

The fact we HAVE to take fresh meat

Is even more cringe than ER placement

[burnt oxide]

Not sure if deep wounds or massacre might be worse to drop

Never really checked

[supple glen]

im thinking about m+ mainly

[olive wraith]

Massacre is almost surely the better removal

[stiff maple]

Its pretty annoying this issue hasn't just been fixed by blizzard though

[supple glen]

for raids no clue ya<

[stiff maple]

Yea remove massacre

[stiff carbon]

What levels are we talking about? I've never felt like I missed it ER

[olive wraith]

Sim to double check

But dw pretty good

[burnt oxide]

+15 was fine without, but it would have helped on few occasions

[stiff maple]

Idk, 17's I guess is what im running through rn? But really any key level that is progression to you

[supple glen]

idk man, DRs come in handy all the time.

[stiff maple]

Literally like

[supple glen]

or pop preemptively to save healer mana

[stiff maple]

Oh my healer died and released, slam ER now and I just get to live

[stiff carbon]

I'm just doing 12s

[quiet geyser]

Its pretty understood that they just dont know wtf they're doing with fury at this point.

Kinda sad too cuz we were so good (raid perspective) in tww s2 and s3.. not broken but def one of the better specs

[burnt oxide]

Thats how it usually went in tww

[modest condor]

even in weekly 10s

[stiff maple]

I mean yea youre gonna be fine in a 12 but

You SHOULD take ER

[supple glen]

soak the knockback of that big mob in AA without taking 10% damage reduction from dstance

ER is fucking great

[stiff maple]

I always do for my weeklies when I play fury

[modest condor]

you cant trust tanks in that level, ive had tanks die and ER saved me then

[stiff carbon]

I'll ask my healers if they want it

[stiff maple]

They will

I shall answer for your healer

[stiff carbon]

Sounds like you really want other people to do what you want

[supple glen]

i use it to pop the things on the first boss in skyreach when someone placed them badly

or i place them badly myself for uptime and pop em after

[frank dawn]

I buy the argument to not take it in raids way more than keys.

So much random shit can go wrong in keys, and ER is a free out every 2 minutes

[burnt oxide]

Agreed

[olive wraith]

If your tank dies it’s most likely a wipe

[burnt oxide]

Way easier to plan your intake and play around not having it

[supple glen]

not with er

and stance

and rally

[olive wraith]

You can’t tank a mob for 20 seconds

[stiff maple]

Not rly

[burnt oxide]

Why did you not press rally before he died tho

Had multiple situations with a tank dying and me being able to either lockdown or kite for a good duration

[supple glen]

i tend to do bc i have a very nice frame that shows my party members health

[stiff maple]

"Most likely" sure but anytging you can do to save that pull you should take

Related note fuck piercing howl now

[olive wraith]

If your tank is dying in the last 10 seconds of a pull the key is joever

[burnt oxide]

Me trying to make pulling easier for tank by giving speed boost

Actually i made it worse by slowing the already pulled mobs

[stiff maple]

I just miss it having a 30s cd

[burnt oxide]

That thing is kinda useless rn

[stiff maple]

Was really useful tbh

[robust forum]

Im sure I didnt play perfect this key 17 POS but is there any world where I compete with this

[stiff maple]

I have absolutely saved pulls and keys by just instantly slamming wall and shockwave and leaping out

Your tank dying does not always mean it is instantly over

[dry hawk]

Were the pulls massive?

[quiet geyser]

Ret is like turbo S tier, and also 2 buttons to play. So prob not

[supple glen]

do another dungeon with different pulls yea

but prob not

[robust forum]

Should just play arms but so snooze

[supple glen]

but you bring BS to raids so thats nice

[modest condor]

i mean can fury warriors compete with that? maybe not with the ret but definitely with the hunter.

can you? no clue

[burnt oxide]

[vast token]

https://tenor.com/view/lethal-company-gif-2665742826959095609

Gm Rend Enjoyers

[burnt oxide]

[storm kestrel]

I have a hero 276 solarflare, and a 263 champ radiant plume, raidbots sims the solarflare as better, but bloodmallet says the radiant plume is better, which one should I be following?

[gleaming crag]

sim is better

[storm kestrel]

mk, ty

[vast token]

Your dog looks very happy. Nice dog

[gleaming crag]

because it takes ino account your personal gear not the skeleton given by bloodmallet

[storm kestrel]

thank you ! hes my treasure

[fluid wyvern]

Hey guys - noob question here (I only started playing WoW TWW S3) , currently I'm not a major key pusher (10-12 comfort zone) Will the upcoming patch fully kill off Fury for my level of gameplay or is it only going to be noticeable in the top percentage of players? Been having thoughts of changing to Prot so if Fury is ded this might be the time lol

[unborn dome]

I have 100 myth crests. Already crafted my weapon. I have myth bracers (vault). What's next best item slot to craft? Just whatever my lowest ilvl is? (Which is a ring).

269 ilvl

[hollow leaf]

at your level of gameplay you can play whatever you want since it's only weeklies

but yes .5 will kill fury in any relevant content

[fluid wyvern]

Including normal & hc raid?

[hollow leaf]

they're fine

[gleaming crag]

we will also have to deal with the games opinion of our class and changes

[hollow leaf]

you can sim but probably worth to craft an offpiece

[fading sky]

App slayers ok

[fluid wyvern]

Nothing changes then 😂

[hollow leaf]

for raid ye

[fading sky]

M+ as well

[unborn dome]

Why is 12.0.5 gonna nuke fury warriors? Am I misreading something? These all seem like little buffs

[echo scarab]

raging blow still sucks

[hollow leaf]

they're destroying the damage from thunder clap

from like 50% bonus damage during avatar to 10%

[unborn dome]

oh, so that's just not in these notes

or am I unable to read

[hollow leaf]

#updates-midnight message

[fading sky]

Which suck but u will clap less so loss isnt as big

[thick cypress]

hi new here , is this for classic too or retail warrior ?

[hollow leaf]

retail

[fading sky]

• slayers better

[hollow leaf]

try fight club discord

[olive wraith]

Slayer aoe got buffed imo, st got nerfed. Thane aoe got murdered, very minor st nerf

[fluid wyvern]

So basically thane is ded, slayer is just about playable

[gleaming crag]

they took warrior thane out back and shot it

[olive wraith]

Slayer is still ass at st

[hollow leaf]

ye

[gleaming crag]

so our single target as fury that was middle of the pack gets nerfed

fucking lovely

[olive wraith]

Assuming nothing else comes

Yes

[modest condor]

middle of the pack is giving it too much credit

[frank dawn]

yeah....lol. It's def not middle of the pack

[potent geyser]

Why did I reroll from Mage to Warrior for this bros

[fluid wyvern]

to suffer

[frank dawn]

you done fucked up A-Aron

[modest condor]

so it's your fault

[olive wraith]

Maybe cause mages are lame

[vast token]

Because warrior is a dope class

Do it for the love of the game.

[potent geyser]

Warrior is fun, fury feels great to play, but why do they treat you guys like this

[fluid wyvern]

has potential to be the coolest class in the game if it wasnt straight ass and constantly nerfed

[potent geyser]

Fury literally feels fun as fuck to play. Full blown frothing berserker hack n slash thundergod

[frank dawn]

don't worry guys they'll emergency buff DKs the day after the patch when they see that fury warrior is bad

[fluid wyvern]

whats cooler than running around with 2 massive swords and slapping shit

[frank dawn]

wait...

[flint elbow]

where did you find the class changes for 12.0.5?

[fading sky]

St didnt

[unborn dome]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/1205-ptr-development-notes/2270121

[unborn dome]

and #updates-midnight

[fading sky]

Bladestorm buff should make up for reap nerf

St

[flint elbow]

tyvm

[olive wraith]

Thane st?

[vast token]

It's always been the coolest class in the game, regardless of nerfs 👍

[frank dawn]

slayer AoE is more or less the same while catching a pretty decent single target nerf. Thane single target is more or less the same while catching a significant AoE nerf

great time to be a warrior, for sure

[tender seal]

[fading sky]

I mean 20% bladestorm is significant

[fluid wyvern]

hence why I picked it, badass orc with 2 huge swrods

[mossy pelican]

Give us good tuning and give us a summoning helicopter

[fading sky]

But we 100% need a st buff

[frank dawn]

yes, but you lost all reap procs during Bladestorm

which is why they did that

[olive wraith]

Thunderclap nerfs def hurt thane st a little

[fading sky]

For st

[modest condor]

bs is like what, 10% of your damage? 20% buff to that is 2% damage

meanwhile reap was easily 3x that

[frank dawn]

you still don't get reap procs when using bladestorm on aoe either, where unhinged would still proc them before

not guaranteed of course, but you did get them

[fluid wyvern]

from pumping in big pulls to then using a wet paper towel in boss fights is very sobering

[potent geyser]

Is Arms gonna be good bros

or is it equally as cooked

[fading sky]

Collosus will be fine

[edgy widget]

it more or less makes up the damage of Reap from bladestorm, it doesn't make up all ST Reap damage

[unborn dome]

so why are warriors getting fisted when they already like... last in dps?

[fading sky]

Because

[frank dawn]

if you can find the answer please let us know

[fading sky]

When blizzard

[fluid wyvern]

its funny to someone at blizz

[fading sky]

Reworks warrior

[potent geyser]

Maybe its time for warriors to become housing mains

[fading sky]

We get shafted

Good gameplay = no dmg or bad gameplay and dmg

[thorny arch]

Because Bliz is using an AI trained on years of WoW balance patches to make these changes. And based on that it decided "fuck warriors".

[edgy widget]

because the intent isn't really to nerf, it's to redistribute... the redistribution just happens to be a nerf if they don't do any compensatory tuning elsewhere

It's also very important to note that we still don't know they won't - final patch notes have not been released and they've been doing weekly live tuning

[somber thicket]

Wy gad funn with suden death for a month😂

[fading sky]

I mean who doesnt remember the 20% ms 20 % exe 30% dw nerf we got as arms

Still havent come back from that

Sry 60% dreadnsught

And op

[edgy widget]

players never forget imagined slights, no matter how many years ago they were

[coarse nest]

Can we trade ravager for skull splitter

And add condemn

[fading sky]

I mean it was this beta🤣

[heavy folio]

do you think it is possible that one day we get ancient aftershock/banner/condemn instead of spear? has that ever happened with other classes?

[edgy widget]

considering the current role of spear vs those other abilities, probably not

[mossy pelican]

Ancient aftershock goated

[spark coral]

should i be holding the puzzle box use for when my next set of avatar/reck is up, or sending it on cd

[potent geyser]

I wish prot was more fun

I'd milk this tank drought

[pearl cloud]

I miss Roar and Ravager...

[frank dawn]

colossus prot might be pretty fun with the patch?

[coarse nest]

I hold it for cooldowns

[frank dawn]

lots of demolish lol

[undone flower]

But ST dmg

Mb Col prot

[frank dawn]

I honestly have no idea how the prot specs compare

[undone flower]

Even now it’s good, you just have slight dps loss compared to prot thane

It’s like, not noticeable until higher keys

[edgy widget]

Colossus is gaining a good bit of ST in the patch

[vast token]

Classic wow warrior players

[gleaming crag]

but nerf warrior aoe....

[modest condor]

i mean that screenshot says literally nothing

[regal aurora]

Low key

[vast token]

Speaking of, for Throne Prep i remember seeing Archimtiros in like some old Ji-kun clips. Was definitely a full circle moment lmao

[modest condor]

could be the first pull in academy in which case all that's telling us is that the only one who knows how to press their buttons is the hunter

could be 5 target dummies in silvermoon

[undone flower]

Even if it’s first pull of academy, I obliterate that hunt

As fury

[gleaming crag]

bridge algo low key

[edgy widget]

no offense, but getting gapped that hard in any single pull isn't indicative of a balancing issue

even with no context whatsoever, it's very clear there's a gameplay difference going on there

[graceful mural]

It’s also not necessarily indicative of any skill gap either it’s just like useless nothing data

[edgy widget]

not just between you and the Hunter, but even the Warlock and you

[undone flower]

Buff demo lock

[tender seal]

Demo looks real bad (in that picture) they need buffs

[edgy widget]

I was there... three thousand years ago....

[hardy cargo]

finally deciding to yap in the real warrior discord I see 👏

[wispy thistle]

Hey at least they decided to nerf thane warrior after we got to use it in some of the content instead of the week before raid release

[echo rapids]

Progress

[white portal]

anybody else here suffering with Spectrum internet? I'm experiencing over 30% packet loss and it's making WoW virtually unplayable

[vast token]

Only to post the rend gif

[flint elbow]

Man, after these kind of ner- i mean changes, we surely will have an easier time getting invited into keys 🥳

[vast token]

Fun raid, sad this go around they left it a buggy fucking mess though

Infinitely better version of 4p for the players though

[honest trail]

& the redistribution so far goes in a decent direction imo

Just need some st buffs

[lost thorn]

Pala Discord would already be gone

maybe the answer is to doom more

and make them listen by crying like little girls

[gleaming crag]

I agree

[fringe vale]

They just need to reweork the class, change stuff remake stuff, we been playing with the similar working kit for like forever

[regal aurora]

We’re warriors. Not pretty light fairies.

Discord stays open >:O

[gleaming crag]

yeah but take a page from their book

[fringe vale]

This silly ahh thing of cant buff st because it directly buffs aoe

But nerfung aoe kills the class is old story

[echo rapids]

Same spender for ST and AOE is always gonna be an issue

Or at least will be with the way blizzard designs

[fringe vale]

How hard is for them to make another rampage called idk moshpit, and be the spender with dmg for 5+ targets and rampage have a bonus dmg if hitting only 1-2 targets

[frank dawn]

ehhhh, I don't really agree with that. with abilities like Reap, Odyn's Fury, Bladestorm, Thunderclap all operating outside of the whirlwind mechanic it shouldn't be that hard to use various knobs

[echo rapids]

This is literally how they fixed DKs

[honest trail]

Worst idea ever

[frank dawn]

has kind of sucked ass at doing that? well sure

[honest trail]

Don't make fury trash like Frost DK

[edgy widget]

I didn't like throne of thunder all that much tbh

[lyric panther]

can rebuff autoattack damage for ST

[honest trail]

With 2 buttons donit the same shit

[edgy widget]

Ji-kun in particular was never a fun fight for me eihter lol

[honest trail]

1 for st 1 for aoe

Worst design ever

[frank dawn]

Do Frost DKs feel very fixed right now? XD

[echo rapids]

This is also UDK and it’s very smooth

[fringe vale]

Udk has the same concept and it works

[edgy widget]

I wholeheartedly agree with this - I look at FDK and wonder why so many abiities do the same thing
but then I remember it's because they only have like 8 abilities now total

[echo rapids]

Because they made the ST spender cleave 3

[edgy widget]

there's no need to create a separate multitarget spender for Fury
in fact, Fury doesn't even have a multitarget problem in the first place right now

[frank dawn]

I really don't feel like Frost DK is some gold standard of design. Seems to be a popular ask to just separate all of our shit out like them

[edgy widget]

have yall even looked at Rampage damage in keys?

[honest trail]

I can't wait for the day where they will understand that having every single ability cleave by default like proper modern games & then tuning mobs stats accordingly with soft capped dmg on target/numbers

Is just best

[edgy widget]

despite hitting 5 targets, it's still like top 3 ability damage lmfao

[fringe vale]

Yeah the problem is st, but if they buff at they buff aoe

[edgy widget]

I swear sometimes people just look for "solutions" to non-existent problems because they think change for the sake of change is going to end up better

[mossy fox]

people love basing everything off the first big pull of a dungeon

[frank dawn]

they can buff ST and reduce the whirlwind bonus, it shouldn't be hard if they need to

[edgy widget]

have you looked at Rampage damage in single target? it's literally #1-2

[honest trail]

Rampage is great atm

It's not an issue

Even soft cap is not

[echo rapids]

No one is complaining about rampage, it’s good

[edgy widget]

like hello? lmao

[undone flower]

rampage is so doggo it’s not nº1 in prio under 100 rage gngngngn

[echo rapids]

We are lamenting blizzards seeming inability to find a balance between our ST and aoe

[fringe vale]

Why all of a sudden this went to imaginary thinking rampage is bad?

[warm crag]

how terrible that spending resource has some decisionmaking involved

[echo rapids]

Both of the fury changes seem trying to fix that

[edgy widget]

that's not an ability issue

[echo rapids]

Although we might know what blizzard was thinking if we got some blue text

[honest trail]

Cause Archi said this

We all reacted

[edgy widget]

I'll tell you right now what the problem is

[undone flower]

Yes sometime I’m lost with some Reddit-type of comments

[lean osprey]

Browns be quiet the big leagues are typing

[edgy widget]

the problem is players want the capability to be competitively-best at everything

• they want an option to absolutely blast AoE
• they also want the option to dominate single target
  players love options, because it allows them to do whatever content they want to do and still excel at it

and there's nothing wrong with that

[burnt oxide]

but i want to do both and be better than anyone else at it

[edgy widget]

but on a design level, you have to account for the other 39 specs to also excel, you need to create varied and nuanced situations where different people can shine

[somber thicket]

Fury S3 tww had all

[lost thorn]

I think we deserve an OP season tbh who decreed that warrior can't be on top for a change it's always keeping us underwater while they poke with sticks and it's fun last season of the expansion then the cycle repeats

[edgy widget]

so generally yes, if you're really strong in AoE you shouldn't be top tier single target and vice versa

[honest trail]

TWW S3

[proud basin]

speaking of aoe damage, what would be the best way to do as much aoe as possible in AA when your tank pulls all the trash in the tree boss's area?
with current live tuning as thane fury

[tepid beacon]

I always wondered why warrior never had bloodlust, to me it makes sense that we'd have it, with rage and generally being a class on the frontlines throwing their weight around

Would probably get us into groups more often as well

[fringe vale]

Isnt it far to say that the class needs a redesign tho? The kit has been the same for decades, and there are old classic classes that got redesigned.

[echo rapids]

Cooldowns, ramp clap ramp clap

[honest trail]

Ramp-TC-Ramp-TC-BB-TC-Ramp-TC

[fringe vale]

Same for arms

[honest trail]

Most aoe you can do

At high targets

[edgy widget]

the problem is that WoW is incredibly complex and tuning rarely ever works out that cleanly - it's quite common for a top ST blaster to also end up top AoE (or vice versa), even though they shouldn't, and Blizz is far too slow/pussyfoot at addressing it

[proud basin]

was this the season with the empowered bloodbaths and odyn's fury interaction?

[edgy widget]

and then everyone else see's that objectively overpowered blaster and says "well why not me?"

[honest trail]

I only play since TWW

[proud basin]

so clap on CD

[honest trail]

So anything before Idk

[burnt oxide]

was slayer RB spam with tierset

[echo rapids]

Frost mage and demo lock have been amazing for months, it’s true

[proud basin]

bro I can't read, I was thinking of dragonflight

[edgy widget]

or the opposite problem, some people are just too low - I think this applies to Fury, in that Fury really shouldn't be a top tier single target damage dealer for how easy it AoE's, but they should definitely be better at single target than they currently are

[vast token]

Fair, Ji-kun is mid.
I really enjoyed Prim/Qon/Council/Horridon. Soaking Crashes on Lei Shen with Zerker stance is also incredibly fun

[honest trail]

I play Slayer Fury for its ST flat uptime dependent dmg profile

I love it

[undone flower]

People thinking we are due to be OP bc class takes turns

[honest trail]

But tuning atm is bad

xD

[tepid beacon]

Is it true Thane is being nerfed, will you guys keep playing it?

[edgy widget]

wait for final patch notes

[burnt oxide]

i play for the thane, and not for pure numbers

[lean osprey]

Are they likely to finalize the day of or will we know prior? From recent history I mean, I know we don't see the future

[lost thorn]

maybe it's just time to doom and wait

[frank dawn]

it will be interesting if they keep tuning this week, last friday was the last set of tuning they had guaranteed and promissed in their post

[echo rapids]

I think we all loved this about s3 TWW fury; above average ST with the niche of having good cleave and solid aoe at almost no opportunity cost. This feels like the hangover from that

[honest trail]

Alrdy not playing it

[edgy widget]

likewise, I do believe that Arms should be a lot better in single target, to compensate for how much it loses when swapping to multitarget, but that also results in a weird situation where Arms can just... do both. I really don't think any spec should have the capability of being the best at multiple things like that

[honest trail]

If I can help it

[vast token]

⛈️ 👏

[undone flower]

I don’t exclude them waiting 1 raid week of 12.0.5 before moving

[lost thorn]

we need less being reasonable and more shutting down discord

[edgy widget]

ok you first

[lean osprey]

Give him the power

[edgy widget]

no I meant he can shut down his discord first

[lean osprey]

Lmao

[vast token]

Arms being better single target compared to fury never sits right to me.
Class fantasy always has always had arms better AoE and Fury ST/low target cleave better

But maybe I'm too old warrior coded

[edgy widget]

"class fantasy" is whatever any individual person wants it to be

[graceful mural]

Fury would have less control over its weapons no

[vast token]

Fair

[gleaming crag]

Idk how arms is better for people its 5k less sim dps for me

[fringe vale]

Master bladesman built for duels has to be worse than moshpit machine?

[graceful mural]

It’s just Mountain King vs. Blademaster

[lean osprey]

Even larger for me, ~20k dps even in higher target counts I'm assuming it's my secondaries

[vast token]

I guess with the like hero talents, the specs can be different idk

[languid willow]

I just don’t want to have to reroll dk to get invited to 17s atm that’s my class fantasy

[burnt oxide]

sounds like me dropping my fork over and over again because i am stupid

[lost thorn]

ok I did but I felt lonely

[keen talon]

Arms was also about MS and big Execute phases. I think they should generally be better than fury for ST. But add in cleave spam and we'll, here we are.

[burnt oxide]

then swap to you leveling your key, then it might be possible

[languid willow]

I do but also just less time than the avg gamer so is what it is

Fotm saves time

[fringe vale]

Arms must be better at st than fury, no question about it. The problem is that raids are never pure st and mythic fights are always full of padding

[languid willow]

And no one will ever make a warrior go “boss dmg spec” to compensate for lower boss dmg

There’s just classes that do it much better

[brittle stone]

Any tips to get a 90+ parse on hc Chimaerus ? Actually at 86

[modest condor]

why "must" arms be better on st?

[stiff maple]

I think its okay for a class to be good at cleave and at singletarget as long as its not the same talent build for both

[stiff maple]

Id like to say there is a question about it

[burnt oxide]

sync your cds with add wave and cleave them down

[languid willow]

If you’re the first soak group

[burnt oxide]

better parse is always better pad

[languid willow]

You’re not going to parse

[burnt oxide]

and that

[edgy widget]

I mean this is ultimately a matter of personal goals and expectations

• there is no way to create an uncapped scaling system that doesn't pyramid into a meta. No amount of fine tuning will solve this - it's practically impossible
• so if your goal is to push keys at the expense of everything else, you need to be prepared to play meta, whether that's DK for the 7th season in a row or some other class

[brittle stone]

So I should be second group so my burst come back up?

[gleaming crag]

atleast we never have to worry about charges

[edgy widget]

G1 is actually better for Chimaerus, cause you get an extra set of adds at the end

[languid willow]

Yea I’ve accepted that at this point, just sucks my favorite class since vanilla just hasn’t been one I’ve been able to enjoy for an entire xpac

[stiff maple]

Catalyst change is incredibly good

[lean osprey]

Or just run your own group and keys like I do, I'm on to 18s right now

It performs perfectly fine

People just ape brain tier lists imo

[edgy widget]

I mean this is the real answer - there are plenty of Warriors who play push keys and title range, even when Warrior is down

[brittle stone]

Oh ? But then when I burst at the pull I dont have anything for the first soak

[languid willow]

For mythic that is true for us but hc it just melts

[edgy widget]

but again, it's down to personal goals and expecations - you can't always have your cake and eat it too, you need to decide what is more important to you

[edgy widget]

don't CD on the pull

[languid willow]

Yea you right

[astral ice]

You dont

[edgy widget]

CD like 20 seconds in so they overlap with adds

same general idea as Dragons

[brittle stone]

So I save my CD if first group ? Second group I don't ?

[odd crater]

Just tell your RL to be in second group

[quiet geyser]

Issue with this, is for the most part for raiding, ST damage is just too important to be bad at, outside of a few outlier bosses of course like brood from tww s1.

I think all specs should have the capability of being atleast decent in ST, but maybe differ in how they do it. Take fury from s2 or s3 from last expansion, it had 1 of the highest sims/ST damage, but low burst so still missed out on amp windows

[edgy widget]

I agree, ST damage is almost always more important than MT, even if it's not as flashy

but the opposite is also true in keys so it's tricky

[lean osprey]

Depends on comp, prio dam and st can be fat in keys over aoe

Saving minutes sometimes

[quiet geyser]

But like you said, and this point is very true, quite often the specs turbo good in ST also end up being great AoE specs just due to being over tuned lol.

Funny part is fury is probably 1 of the easiest specs in the game to tune around ST and AoE with how WW buff works (outside of quick initial AoE burst). Oh st sucks and AoE too good? Buff all rotational abilities and nerf WW cleave %

[echo rapids]

No this is too complex

Better fundamentally alter the rotation

[quiet geyser]

Lol

[brittle stone]

Ok I thought the first was the best

[chilly fractal]

Perhaps Blizzard could provide us a way where we only hit 1 button

[low marten]

You can only fix those problems if you start major homogenization of classes, some classes will perform better for amps because they do more damage inside CD windows, some sync CD's better as classes have different cooldown durations which causes better timings for different encounters. Also sims are somewhat bad measure, because some classes require higher uptime for sim dps which means if encounter has downtime, you might miss CD reduction etc.

[echo rapids]

You can’t use the imp WW percentage as a tuning handle for aoe/st balance, please ignore the shadow priest tuning that did just that

[stiff maple]

Time for meat cleaver to start getting the psychic link treatmebt

[quiet geyser]

Tbh im ok with thunderclap getting nerfed, if TB gets giga buffed. Fact tb hits so weak is weird. Like you should feel like thor pressing it

[echo rapids]

Remember the way way back in time of…last season when TB hit hard

[low marten]

and m+ is not just purely about raw damage output, you will have to survive also.

[quiet geyser]

Dude with the massive pruning they did with midnight, it only a matter of time before homogenization of classes drastically starts anyways

[echo rapids]

Warrior dev: ohhhh we were supposed to prune in midnight?

[stiff maple]

tbh its primarily about dps output lol

[quiet geyser]

You already see it now. How many classes have a brez? How many have a lust? Execute mechanics?

[edgy widget]

Yeah I think a lot of complaints usually just come down to poor tuning

and Blizz being unwilling to react strongly enough to mistuning

for the past several expansions, Blizz seems to have had a sort of philosophy of "frequent but not meaningful tuning" by which I mean they will adjust the top end down a little bit or push the bottom end up a little bit, but they will very rarely change the overall balance

• their goal is to make the underperforming people feel less bad about being on the bottom, but not make the FotM rerollers feel bad for spending time/effort investing in those characters
  Which is fine in theory, but the result is that very little changes, because most people don't care if they're being beat by 10 or 15%, it's all practically the same to them

[undone flower]

To me 10% from top to bottom is good tuning season

[edgy widget]

I mean it actually is, especially when you consider how varied WoW combat situations are

[undone flower]

Like S2 and S3 was really good

[low marten]

How so? Lots of godtier meta classes are also really good at surviving or if they are not, then the group will aid them but you cannot stack such classes.

[stiff maple]

You dont tend to stack classes anyway

For raid buffs

In keys

Its pretty rare that the best few classes for keys are also all extremely squishy

If that ever happens

[undone flower]

For keys specifically it is about timing the key, so it’s not only about overalls but very specific combination of dmg

[stoic loom]

Small tuning unless its fury

Then its a 25% nerf to thunderclap

[edgy widget]

again, wait for final notes

those changes haven't happened yet, and if there's anything any long term enjoyer of WoW should understand it's that nothing is final until its final and even then it's probably not actually final

[echo rapids]

I’m honestly less angry at the numbers and more at significant changes just throw in some “release candidate” notes with out even a sentence from blizzard

[undone flower]

release candidate in the notes is wowhead clickbaits

im sorry if you fall for it

[edgy widget]

no it's not

release candidate is an actual thing

[undone flower]

yes ik but ppl think it's the final note

CLICKS

[edgy widget]

I mean that's their problem

but claiming clickbait on everything you don't like or understand is stupid

[undone flower]

blizzard flagging a game version for RC is tech structure no one knows why except them

[edgy widget]

I mean... I know it

[echo rapids]

I hate the whole warrior = bad schtick but it’s hard to not feel it when blizzard is capable of and has explained changes when they are posted and ensured commonality buffs

[edgy widget]

I'd reckon that most informed people know what it means

[brittle stone]

What did you guys think about pal ret this ? Utilities asides cuz no brainer, what about ST, MT, and survivability ? Easy to play too?

[edgy widget]

and even if you don't know what it means, it's still a strong indicator that the patch is coming soon, since RC almost always happens in advance of an actual release date announcement

so even if you understood nothing else, it serves to inform people that the patch is likely to come soon, and changes are likely to slow down in advance of it

[edgy widget]

I think you should ask that question in the Ret discord

if it's still open

[graceful mural]

OWNED

[brittle stone]

Lol yeah just wanted opinion for war main. Been thinking of doing an alt ret

[stoic loom]

Ret unironically insane

And yeh very easy to play

[stiff maple]

I find it fun and its simple

[undone flower]

imo, it's the closest spec to fury + flashy dopamine animations, so go for it if you hesitate

[stiff maple]

You should alt it if thsts what you wanna do

[stoic loom]

I feel like that would be enhance

But enhance is also in the bin, even worse off than fury

So definitely go ret

[undone flower]

both are, but current version of ret is as old as current version of fury

[echo rapids]

Didnt Ret get more of a prune?

[undone flower]

idk, but core gameplay has not changed since bfa

[olive cobalt]

complete emissary of war
get Undreamt God's Oozing Vestige

It's over for me

[unborn dome]

I got gaze of the alnseet from the emissary of war this week

went and bought alottery ticket

[knotty hill]

I got pants. Woohooooo

[stoic loom]

Ive heard ret is 3 buttons now but people usually exagerate, ive not played it since shadowlands

[undone flower]

you don't have holy strikes anymore

they are autoattacks

but thats a TWW? change

[bitter palm]

crusading strikes were a thing in df

[undone flower]

mb crusade strike

[bitter palm]

i think ever since 10.0.5 rework

cause i had it in s3

[undone flower]

and now you care A LOT about expurgation dot, if i understand correcly, it's the buff they maintain or 0 dmg

wtf is ts

[stoic loom]

its cos you're not playing panda

[vast token]

Male Panda supremacy

https://tenor.com/view/dance-world-of-warcraft-dance-wow-pandaren-male-lmfao-party-rock-anthem-gif-27495538

[stoic loom]

do u have buffs turned off or something or is it a demonic character

my alt warrior is 266 and sims a lot higher than that xd

[brittle stone]

Cool what about the damage profile ?.better than fury?

[stoic loom]

is there any spec with a damage profile worse than fury?

genuine question

[brittle stone]

Really ?

[undone flower]

i don't know ret enough to tell you their dmg profile im sorry

[brittle stone]

We'rre the worst?

[stoic loom]

wouldnt surprise me

we have literally zero burst

zero boss damage

[plush maple]

Please don’t unironically use ”ts” this ain’t TikTok

[vast token]

But we have 2 big fucking weapons

[stiff maple]

?

[modest condor]

ts is teamspeak

[undone flower]

yes i simmed with the buffs i had in my key

[vast token]

So that makes up for everything

[low marten]

Because they cannot be, you would never pick a dps that does more damage if it cannot survive (Unless dps does so much damage that dying wont matter, which will most likely never be an option). After certain point in keys you will limited by either damage output or capability to survive, and the survivability problems tends to happen a bit earlier than damage output limits.

[stiff maple]

Usually the classes that have good profile for keys also will just live

[quiet geyser]

Its funny, cuz this time its kinda copium waiting so we dont absolutely suck, in the past it was waiting till the very last minute to see if we get left strong. Shadowland still gives me nightmares with all the last minute fury nerfs lol

[plush maple]

We’re civilized so we say ”This”

[stiff maple]

And if you have 1 squishy class, this is okay

You will just support them

[stiff maple]

ts does not even stand for "this"

[plush maple]

Fuck am I the brain rotted one

[compact knot]

ts = this shit

[mossy pelican]

Yikes

[edgy widget]

I mean even with the nerf, Thane isn't going to "absolutely suck" - it's like a 5% loss or something overall

[stiff maple]

This

[compact knot]

tspmo

[stiff maple]

A lot of people have taken ts and started using it as just "this" but its incorrect

[undone flower]

🥀

[dim spindle]

What if we all congregate to blizzard HQ with signs and a catchy chant

Surely they'd listen

[quiet geyser]

For AoE? 🤨 the nerf seems like A LOT more than 5%.