fury

[tranquil sentinel]

all ourt ools are just other classes tools but worse

congrats, we have worse incap worse burst movespeed worse sack

[quiet geyser]

Spell reflect? Rally?

Wouldnt say all

[lunar swan]

Spell reflect is underwhelming imo, is there a good way to use it besides just dmg reduction during aoe?

[dim spindle]

many good ways

[tranquil sentinel]

spell refelct when good is cracked

[lunar swan]

We arent gettin hit by single target spells

[dim spindle]

You can chunk some mobs/bosse spretty good with it

[tranquil sentinel]

i ahve fun reflecting spells

[chilly fractal]

Spell Reflect has a wicked low CD

For what it does

[tranquil sentinel]

rally is good now

[dim spindle]

The trick is having that cast not get interrupted 90% of the time

[tranquil sentinel]

after it being buffed

[crude crater]

The big dominaar in voidspire leading to the dragons is awesome to reflect

[quiet geyser]

Bro almost everything in this raid is spell damage lol. SR is literally 1 of the most busted defensives

[tranquil sentinel]

Im not saying our defensives are bad

im saying our utility is pigionholed

[mint moat]

Do we got firm numbers yet on 12.05 changes

[tranquil sentinel]

defensivly we are fine, dstance still nasty as fuck

[dim spindle]

Honestly I don't really have any complaints about our utility (m+ brained btw)

[tranquil sentinel]

throw up them ds and shaking my dot off like a dog getting a bat

[quiet geyser]

Dead.

[dim spindle]

Other than our temu stampeding

[tranquil sentinel]

everyones got a flavor they like tizz all good

I just wish for the talent price, it was better. Ill take a longer cd but please

something spicy something i hit and go damn, i did that

[mint moat]

I thought we were getting buffs after they kill thane

[quiet geyser]

Speculated but nothing announced yet

[mint moat]

Or is the reap the storm buff the only one

[dim spindle]

We ARE getting buffs. Believe.

[mint moat]

Gotcha

[dim spindle]

Believe with all your might

[tranquil sentinel]

intervenes a channel like bladestorm now, for 6 seconds parry/reflect all spells and attacks cast on the party, cap of 10 attacks.

30 minute cd

see now its both old warrior and new warrior

everyone happy

[mint moat]

Would be a cool defensive

[tranquil sentinel]

im just giving an example it dosent have to be busted like amz or barrior

[dim spindle]

30 minute cd? Those were the days

[tranquil sentinel]

but its got to be cool thematic

Not dogshit

[dim spindle]

Was it shield wall that was 60 minutes before mods? What a time

[tranquil sentinel]

P.Howel should be a renamed and removed, give it some shit like marching orders, All players in the warriors party/raid moves 5% faster

7 day cooldown for flavor

[dim spindle]

7 day cooldown? Now we're cooking

Reset nights go crazy

[tranquil sentinel]

or like stance mastery working like old aura mastery

imagine giving the entire raid dstance

or bstance

10% dr for 5 seconds or some shit bstance could be root reduction like old banner/pvp banner

Fury stance could just be as

[unborn delta]

skull banner

stormlash totem

taste of blood overpower procs

[tranquil sentinel]

Yeah but archi will kill us if we got it back

[dim spindle]

banners were ehhhh

[tranquil sentinel]

Banners are fun with friends and meh with pugs

[unborn delta]

fury colossus smash

csmash reset procs

[tranquil sentinel]

i dont think we need more raid buffs to clutter stuff but i think if we have utility, having something be both long and powerfull beats our current skill tuning

could just gve us demo or taunt banner back

[unborn delta]

40% increased raid crit dmg would be utility

[tranquil sentinel]

It would be a warcrime and u know it

[dim spindle]

How about the warrior version of lust be 40% crit instead of haste

[unborn delta]

and it stack with lust

🤔

[dim spindle]

Oh heck yeah

Totally balanced

[tranquil sentinel]

sweet were a xalathat afix

awsome

[unborn delta]

our lust spawns orbs on entire raid and we all have to touch each others balls

🤔

[tranquil sentinel]

lol

[dim spindle]

Exactly what this season needs. more balls

[tranquil sentinel]

ball pit raid

[dim spindle]

And birds ofc

What are these BALLS doing here!!!??

[tranquil sentinel]

but yeah the warrior tree has good ideas in it, just feels like we pay a premium for the very weirdly somehow both usefull and useless utility

but maybe thats every class, maybe all the utility feels like a strange tax

[dim spindle]

And they're not just any balls. They're blue/purple balls. Ouch.

[tranquil sentinel]

like usefull on paper and cool in theroy

but just, idk i havent exatly P.Howeled for speed except for maybe walking faster to trash packs.

[dim spindle]

4 seconds just aint it

[tranquil sentinel]

maybe the right scenario hasnt happened. maybe its strictly for pvp. Idk

and only 30% 2

its funny on crown if ur leeping platforms i guess?

but theres already so many established tools

and maybe thats the real problem, maybe theres so much utility already that adding 1-2 more that are diffrent/weaker versions just isnt enough

[frank dawn]

yeah idk why they nuked P Howl really. Like it's a comparable idea to similar abilities, but it's drastically weaker

"we are changing this cooldown to be the same as similar abilities, but absolutely fuck off with any buffs to make it as strong as those similar abilities"

-warrior dev, probably

[tranquil sentinel]

It also dosent stack right?

cant like Use Speed howl to go from a sprint to a supersonic car

[frank dawn]

nobody can answer you because no one has used it

[proud bough]

Most speed boosts don’t stack together, so it’s reasonable to think it wouldn’t stack, but yeah I genuinely haven’t tested it like that myself lol

[tranquil sentinel]

Sweet something to confirm later 2night!

(it probably dosent)

[proud bough]

If it did that would be kinda sick though

Almost makes up for its lack of general usefulness

[honest trail]

Guys: Avoidance or Leech enchants?

[past pivot]

Speed 😄

[proud bough]

We already get leech from warrior tree, so I went for avoidance personally. But speed is funny

[honest trail]

i usually go avoidance for high keys

[proud bough]

Yeah I think we can get like 5% total with just enchants or something

[honest trail]

wondering how valuable leech is

[proud bough]

With a leech roll on an item or two, plus talents and enchants, I bet you could hit like 10% leech, which might be kinda cool

[edgy widget]

generally speaking, avoidance is better

• mitigating damage is almost always better than healing it back up, and you already have an external source of healing in groups

that said, tertiary stats do diminish and there are times where it's worth skipping a small amount of DR for a larger relative amount of leech or even speed

[honest trail]

I usually go as much avoidance as I can y

Like shoulders + feet avoidance enchants

[sullen dove]

avoidance i think is 50/50 whether it works or not

some seasons/bosses its a lot more prevalent than in others

think its probably good now i think

cept maybe doesnt work on alleria or something idk

or maybe thats the rogue dmg reduction im thinkin of that doesnt

[edgy widget]

that is true, there are times where it inexplicably doesn't work on some stuff, though it seems like they've been better about it in recent expacs?

its also pretty annoying to try to test

[sleek light]

Speed is the solution for everything, just walk away faster. If you aint near the problem, the problem doesnt exist

[sullen dove]

i think speed shoulder enchant is insane

its like 6% movement speed

[edgy widget]

a little bit of speed actually does go a long way

[sullen dove]

when the helm and boot enchant is literally like 1-2% each

speed shoulder omegabis

[edgy widget]

same thing in TWW, speed bracer enchant was like 4% by itself, whereas you would instead get like 1% avoidance or leech on that slot

so while I normally advocate avoidance, I will go w/ something else if there's a pronounced enough difference

[maiden cedar]

Yall beautiful, keep up the good work.

[honest trail]

So like

Shoulders avoidance & feet speed

Is a nice combo

or opposite

[sullen dove]

i think shoulder speed is epic

[edgy widget]

just for the sake of comparison (without factoring any DR)

• Helm gives 0.8% leech, 1% avoidance, or 1.8% speed
• Shoulder gives 2.4% leech, or 3% avoidance, or 5.4% speed
• Boots give 0.4% leech, 0.27% avoidance, or 0.9% speed
  37 avoidance = 1%
  69 leech = 1%
  12 speed = 1%

[radiant plank]

thats alot of speed

[terse ether]

I guess you should change the enchants to speed now in guides XD he made a good point 😂

[sullen dove]

still the most survivability too

shoulders just the highest ig

but whatever u want

not like speed needed on most fights

prolly rly good on paladins or something

they go all over the place

but dragons for example kinda wtv

paladins also hit like trucks tho so other reason to pick survivability enchs

but up to u

[merry scaffold]

How much of an impact does tertiary stats typically have?

Like do they make or break anything or just more fine tuning

[sullen dove]

not rly just a little extra padding to potentially prevent deaths

like if youve ever seen yourself die to like 1-2% overkill dmgfrom a raidwide

maybe avoidance wouldve saved u

doesnt do too much to help from like hard misplays but is some nice padding for some of the more unfair 1shotty mechanics

mostly only relevant in higher keys and hard hitting mythic raid bosses

but also the raid bosses eventually will start to tickle with max ilvl and stacking dmg/healing buff

so less needed for raid as time goes on

but might as well

every lil bit helps

[buoyant hatch]

Is it just me or does it feel all the other classes scaled way better with gear than we do? 1-2 weeks ago I was topping meters in the raid, now I am struggling to break top 5.

[sullen dove]

scaling mentioned

[modest condor]

scaling

[sullen dove]

but yea thats probably less about how good specific classes scale vs the entire raid's ilvl going up and 1shotting any adds you couldve possibly padded on in the earlier weeks

theres a lot less time to hit adds and so aside from a few fringe cases where warr is still a decent padder on salhadaar and dragons youre getting forced into boss dmg competitions alot more

and we are just atrocious at that

[dapper goblet]

@sullen dove feed me piggy

[sullen dove]

on what

i require glove and cape from windrunner or magister

you may have the rest

[edgy widget]

little to none, it's really just preference

[honest trail]

Does Clap slow work on Saladabar orbs?

[sullen dove]

doubt it

clap damage does tho

(for 2 more weeks)

[rare garnet]

12 days till buffs?

[elfin harbor]

so im wondering, Is MT in voidspire first boss or in the chimaeron fight not really good? I deal a lot in M+ with it but it seems in raid on almost every boss like Chimaeron // Imperator // Dragons i do way more with slayer than MT. Maybe i do something wrong. Or is it because adds die to fast on Heroic?

[sullen dove]

the dying too fast thing definitely massive part of that

slayer does more aoe in a shorter timeframe, where thane does higher aoe for like 20+ seconds

so atp probably only slayer most of those early bosses

thane on heroic dragon probably still fine but maybe not by much

[olive wraith]

Yes. Just not warrior

[honest trail]

I went Thane there but they wanted me to stay on boss & cleave adds only when they're close

So had very little aoe to do

Still fine

It was a rekill for the rest of the group

[honest trail]

Yeah Slayer usually best on all bosses except Paladins in Heroic

& arguably still pretty good on some early Mythic ^^

Like the first 2

[karmic ridge]

As Arms slayer, Do u use Execute on low health outside of Sudden Death procs?

[edgy widget]

I assume you're talking about a multitarget build, but the answer is yes either way

you just don't focus it as hard without Critical Thinking talented - use Overpower more to keep from starving

also this is #fury

[karmic ridge]

Sorry😅

[wicked eagle]

Do we take enraged regen on mythic vorasius, seem to die from ticking damage after using hs etc

[edgy widget]

DStance exists, but you can swap Exec Wrath for ER quite easily

[wicked eagle]

Was using ds still seem to be dropping

[wheat lantern]

Is fury still cooked in 2 weeks'ish or just thane gone. Havent been following changes

[modest condor]

if no further changes fury is cooked

[wheat lantern]

Holy RIP and arms is the most disgusting not fun boring spec , might have to finally reroll toons boys

[modest condor]

never hurts to prepare multiple characters depending on your goals, but also fury is so down bad that it's pretty much confirmed there's more tuning coming

[echo rapids]

[mossy pelican]

Delete demolish

[indigo arch]

I still can't figure out the reason for these changes. Has to be the same dev that thought arms needed nerfed in the beta.

[mossy pelican]

Tbh thinking of fury slayer or arms on dragons atp, adds in my group die in literally 3 globals

[modest condor]

i mean there is logic behind the decisions, i just dont agree with them

slayer changes: reap should be the aoe effect
thane changes: 1 talent is way too strong, also clap every other gcd is unhealthy (we've had it before in bfa and they nerfed it then too)

[wheat lantern]

@modest condor ive enjoyed fury all my life, i dont hop toons. Ive done great dps in my casual keys that people are surprised im beating them in dps. It was fun

[modest condor]

i guess the thane one i kinda agree with, assuming we get more uncapped aoe in other ways

[wheat lantern]

Is slayer fury at least even viable just a bit lol

[sullen dove]

it'll be as good as thane

[modest condor]

not if the changes go live with no extra tuning

[spare steppe]

How is it confirmed??

I think we’re just going to live down here 😭

[modest condor]

read the words before that word

[wheat lantern]

Lets do what the rets did. Lets shut down the disc. Wrap it up

[spare steppe]

Pretty much?

[spare steppe]

No it’s still fun to play, ride or die

[modest condor]

we're already one of the worst on st, they're nerfing our st, it's really not that far fetched to assume there's gonna be singletarget tuning they havent announced yet

[wheat lantern]

If i need to go arms for what i did to thane , im not riding or dying. Rather delete. Since i just took gaze which isnt good for arms. How troll

[uneven path]

I kinda hope they wont default to just aura buff, but bit more targeted buffs.

[modest condor]

i hope they at least make raging blow worth pressing again

[echo rapids]

I wish I believed we would get a thoughtful redistribution of damage

[ocean ore]

Its insane that raging blow is pretty much irrelevant

[nova atlas]

just unsub honestly, easiest and most impactful way to tell blizz to fuck off

[modest condor]

speaking of raging blow, who else has whirlwind on their bars as thane because it does more damage on aoe?

[olive wraith]

Aura buff is probably not happening

[floral hull]

crafting a weapon- does it matter which you craft? Mace/sword/etc? Hard to find a definite answer

[modest condor]

no

purely cosmetic

[rare garnet]

Raging low is such a boring button. It’s fine as filler. It’s fine as my main button. I don’t really care. I just want big damage at this point and I don’t care where it comes from. Buff RB. Buff execute. Moon rampage. Fuck, if you wanna make me hit giant rotational impending victories. At this point I don’t care our boss damage is embarrassing.

[modest condor]

grats

[olive wraith]

Kit still has almost no bleed interaction still

So not surprised Blizz is all over the place

[rare garnet]

Remove all bleeds leave that shit for the cats

[dry ether]

slammed so hard with reap the storm on a boss today and just got reminded that its gone soon 🙂 alexa play mad world

[warm dove]

What is the website you can use to put in logs and have it tell you how to improve? I’ve seen it here a few times but never bothered asking what it was. Looking to improve more in raid and m+

[olive wraith]

St?

[dry ether]

yea

[rare garnet]

I’m fine with content being added regularly. But man… IDK if I want like class changes and redesigns every 8 weeks.

[frank dawn]

they didn't make class changes in the smaller patches in TWW likely for reasons along those lines

but Midnight changed classes too much to just let them sit untouched until 12.1 imo

but then of course...they make changes like ours that feel half finished and they ran out of time again

idk

[rare garnet]

Just feels like no vision for the specs. Not building on and improving upon the design goals and how a clss should play. Like, fundamentally changing what abilities proc off… feels like something that should be locked in and understood as a baseline for the class. Not changed every 8 weeks.

[frank dawn]

I don't disagree, and to be somewhat fair I guess...I think we're the only class experiencing that? lol

wtb a designer that gives a damn

[worldly gyro]

i rolled a warrior because it looks cool but my single target dps is pretty bad no matter the spec, i know im new and bad at the class but is the single target lacking overall for fury or just a me issue?

[frank dawn]

warrior single target damage is one of the worst in the game at the moment

even if you ignore the raid design that sabotages boss damage further due to how you have to play to parse, warrior is still in the bottom third basically of single target potential

and I'm pretty sure Arms is still dead last on pure single target (even if quite strong on AoE)

[worldly gyro]

i see, i got used to the rotation but my damage was still not great on single target fights

[quiet geyser]

Fury is worse

[frank dawn]

is it actually on single target? or just how boss damage is in the raid? My sims say my arms spec kinda suck ass still on single target lol

[steel shard]

warrior in general

is just bad

for ST

[frank dawn]

yes

[maiden sinew]

is there a spell reflect spreadsheet for all m+ dungeon mobs etc?

[modest condor]

yes it's in the faq

[stoic loom]

12.0.5 in 2 weeks lads

[quiet geyser]

Using top dmg to bosses for voras (assuming there's atleast a fury ethical furys), arms still higher

[steel shard]

is that when the arms nerf hits

[stoic loom]

Im sure we'll get additional tuning to the fury thane nerfs

Copium

[uneven path]

Surely slayer buffs as well

[quiet geyser]

Brother its been said, fury legit needs god to be relevant. We already suck ass currently, and thats without the .5 nerfs

[uneven path]

[shy bronze]

HA! I sat myself from the raid because the dps is so low compared to other classes. Hunters/DH's are doing 40k more in st.

And we're getting nerfed hard in a few weeks

[steel shard]

its a wait for next tier angle

just play something else for raids

arms in keys is good tho

[shy bronze]

Keys are ok. I usually tank...then that;s getting nerfed to shit too

This yoyo tuning shit is really turning me off

[turbid bay]

It would be fine if the devs were actively tuning stuff

[olive wraith]

Thane st is hardly hurt fwiw

[steel shard]

they are

warrior just rolled the undertuned dice this time around

[shy bronze]

"this time around" as in the last 6 patches?

[turbid bay]

And the difference between the top and low end is pretty big gap

[shy bronze]

LOL

[olive wraith]

Well this is just untrue lmao

[steel shard]

huhhhhhhhhhhhh

[olive wraith]

Fury was really good tww s3

[steel shard]

warrior was good in all the raids

in tww

like for all of it

[quiet geyser]

Fury was pretty shit in s1

Great on brood and ok for queen

Shit everything else

[steel shard]

well

it got nerfed to shit

[proven hornet]

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[dim spindle]

Surely

[compact siren]

low pick rate

[lost saffron]

I hate warriors

[scarlet swift]

I started a Hunter, the transition has begun

[frank dawn]

I also finished leveling my hunter last week xd

[hushed gust]

been running arms while i farm Pit, and- yeah, no wonder fury's being turned down. wariors are eating their own lunches again.

at least it seems we still have stronger single target? at least in my sims.

[olive wraith]

.5 lowers slayer st

[stoic loom]

Stronger single target than who? Tanks?

[scarlet swift]

Prot gets nerfed too, no tclap spam

[unborn delta]

ima start using draught of rampant abandon

says its like 500 dps increase seems like a no brainer

[stoic loom]

use draught of rampant abandon of the warrior class and reroll hunter

its a 40k dps increase

[unborn delta]

one of our warriors from last expac rerolled dk then rererolled hunter

[wicked eagle]

As it stands we’re fucked in two weeks then?

[compact knot]

in raid yes

[echo rapids]

Surely they won’t just eliminate a proc doing 6-9% of our ST dps without compensatory buffs

Surely

[olive wraith]

Aa +20%

[dense elbow]

Dont worry, ya will love what is coming to fix the ST loss for Fury Slayer. Trust

[winter shoal]

+253% OF buff?

[chilly plume]

If I'm just add padder supreme on mythic dragons, do I play slayer and send CD's on orbs?

[dense elbow]

Wouldnt OF+Tb be more dam to them? Depends on how long they live, I have no clue about that

On HC they die before they gather, is all I know

BigB will know

(also, I said you all will, not me)

[chilly plume]

yea im lookin at logs now seems like fury thane is the way

[summer quail]

nah play thane

[dim spindle]

Surely 🙏

[summer quail]

i was big addpadder on dragons. thane good

[chilly plume]

was considering colo arms

[dim spindle]

Gross

[winter shoal]

colo arms also decent, just feels like ass to play imo

khazix and swordish played it I think

[summer quail]

it's good but setup is longer. so if you have 2 devourer dhs i wouldn't

[dense elbow]

No way you get a perfect demo, without the team lining it up for you - right?

[summer quail]

and relies more on getting grips to you

[winter shoal]

I was gonna be add padder extreme but I forgot to hold cds on pull so I ended up getting rank 3 boss dam instead

[chilly plume]

I am the gorefiend's target

:3

[winter shoal]

only 2 gorefiends sets though innit

[summer quail]

matching me the opposite way. got rank 3 regular damage xD

[winter shoal]

this tier is a joke

[floral hull]

How much does your offhand impact rampage damage? I’m still using a champ track offhand and it feels like my rampage damage is lower than it should be

[dim spindle]

Would be a lot cooler if it was gold

But your name covers it I suppose

[dim spindle]

That's the ticket

[olive wraith]

Just your ramp “seems low”?

[dim spindle]

👑 I got this at BK when I was 12. I think you deserve it more than I.

Rampage early, rampage often

Okay maybe not too early

[floral hull]

I am new to warrior so I wasn’t sure if rampage was any different with multiple hits, but yeah overall most abilities feel lower than they should be. It seems like the off hand item level is the culprit

[dim spindle]

Offhand is pretty substantial towards all damage so yeah I'd say champ vs mythic (or even heroic) would be noticeable

APM, uptime, enrage uptime, and not capping rage are even more noticeable than that ofc

[merry pewter]

might be a dumb question, but if I macro combat pot with any ability as the same macro will that ability still gain the effects of the pot? or do we use pot first then a macro after.

[heavy folio]

did you guys like onslaught as a button?

[storm meadow]

Good question, I usually macro with avatar/reck so they dont impact with the pot itself. Sequencing within the macro itself is important however.

[storm meadow]

I used to love it in DF

[spare oriole]

Absolutely not.

[mental bay]

hi guys! playing my war fury as an alt, should i double craft 285 wpn ? is this a thing or ? im not raiding so im wondering if its a good idea or not

[unkempt dagger]

it is

[mental bay]

what weapons should i craft ? One Blood Knight Warblade with embellish and ?

[summer quail]

it is not

stop giving bad advice

[mental bay]

im gathering data anyway its ok

[summer quail]

what happens if you get weapon in vault from m+? you just wasted 80 crests for no reason

[mental bay]

well i could wait til next xpac if i dont have any luck

[merry pewter]

that makes sense.

yea I have the pot first in the macro

[keen kindle]

Play colo arms

(I am sorry this is a legally mandated suggestion]

[summer quail]

got other crafts that are worth more atm. crafts that you won't replace no matter what

[chilly plume]

I feel like u may be biased, idunno

[obtuse palm]

Fury
Mountain Thane
Thunder Clap has been renamed to Thunder No Clap

[keen kindle]

Just a lil

[keen kindle]

Even so, 8 sparks is a pretty massive ask

[indigo arch]

Really hoping they unfuck what's coming in .5 for fury

every time I go to target dummies to see how arms feels I remind myself I hate it

[dim crypt]

im doing mythic raid and im at the bottom of the dps just above a shadow priest and augment evoker on occasion.

nerfing fury when its not overperforming makes no logical sense

[indigo arch]

Hey it made sense to nerf arms randomly during beta

while basically not touching devourer or demo, and within the day reverting nearly all the unholy nerfs

Now they buff arms and randomly nerf fury

pure dartboard

[unkempt dagger]

if you get weapon from vault you do more damage with auto attacks ? i dont get your point

as a first craft on an alt weapon craft is just ez descision

[summer quail]

read what he fully said. he said craft 2 weapons

crafting a weapon is big good. crafting 2 is horrible

[unkempt dagger]

ih

oh

i am stupid

sorry

[fringe vale]

at that point he should just craft the embelish one and the other no emblesih no spark one with the crests no?

[stoic loom]

helm or ring lads? what we thinking

[fringe vale]

if he has like no luck looting

[unkempt dagger]

he can get weapon embelish and other item embelish, i think its 7 sparks this week\

oh i see

im just too tired bro why am i even responding

LMAO

sorry, i get your point

[fringe vale]

yeah he can get wep embelish + bracers or belt or wtv embelish

and can craft the no sparky wep with the hero or champ crests

if he needs a 2nd wep

[unkempt dagger]

ye true

but still i wouldnt waste gold

[fringe vale]

what gold

its like no gold cost at all

u do 1 round of wq and get that gold

[unkempt dagger]

run magisters every day and youll get the axe eventually cause last boss drops 2 items

[grave pike]

not in m+

[unkempt dagger]

ye m0

[vestal root]

hey guys we still doomin?

[scarlet swift]

Shut down the Discord, it’s joever

[vestal root]

[olive wraith]

Just unsub instead

[scarlet swift]

Why unsub when i can reroll

[olive wraith]

Then no need to close discord

Yw

[scarlet swift]

Works for the other specs

[dry hawk]

Arms isn't dead

[olive wraith]

Sure bud. Keep dreaming

[full topaz]

is anyone else using the novice neck piece

or am i dumb

[stoic loom]

its good

[slim coral]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-arm-woody-toy-story-gif-13984228

[vestal root]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1486613675413475439/screamifyoulovefury.gif

[humble plover]

https://klipy.com/gifs/leonardo-dicaprio-cry

[fair wharf]

as a rule of thumb I'm guessing it's not worth to channel puzzle box if reck/avatar is running but if it comes off cooldown in the middle of a pull outside of cooldowns I should still send it?

[winter shoal]

You should probably hold it to use right before your next reck/ava

Or if it's at the very end of a raid fight and you're not gonna get another use out of it otherwise

[slim coral]

weapon illusion unlocked

[fair wharf]

I see thanks : )

[indigo arch]

How flashy is it? Half a mind to shuffle it out

first enchant since shadowflame to make me wanna q again

[slim coral]

its' really flashy

I don't have vfx cranked up rn

[indigo arch]

all I gotta hear

bonk it is

[slim coral]

It's pretty easy too and big

[indigo arch]

Fuck, I need to make blue/purple mogs

can only run ashkandi+shadowflame for so long

[upbeat plume]

Ive been using two like classive fist weapons so they are barely visible on thane, stomping and smashing the ground as a kul tiran warrior looks so good lol

[indigo arch]

reminds me, need to make a mog with the bladefist (tbc and updated) now that they did the mog thing

[balmy shore]

@dapper goblet voodoo

[sudden tusk]

xeos "actually red" wonka

[brittle crow]

nobody warned me how fuckin tight motorcycle helmets are when theyre fresh

i only ever wore broke in ones

[dapper goblet]

i'm just a tourist

[balmy shore]

it's ok im also red......

[sullen dove]

just brown anyway..

[dapper goblet]

I should be pink

but cant be pink and red at the same time

unless i wanted to be like

pinkish red color

magenta

[sullen dove]

is it pink?

[quiet geyser]

remember when xeos was blue

[dapper goblet]

i remember when i was brown

abberus was many moons ago

[quiet geyser]

last time u were brown you got us nerfed on live stream

[dapper goblet]

the only one to ever be honest on a max tier list stream

[balmy shore]

a mistake

[livid arch]

when you see someone from skyhold in general chat lol

[neat nacelle]

I haven't played since beginning of The War Within, did Fury change much and are we good

Do we need this or can we still drool while hitting 4 buttons and win

[brittle crow]

is there a better way to use cds on averzian

im doing like 75k and i feel WORTHLESS

im using on pull then using again each add spawn and on intermission

[scarlet swift]

welcome to warrior, where the nerfs happen and the CDs dont align

[slim coral]

it's changed in terms of rotation but cds and buttons are pretty much the same

[neat nacelle]

As long as I can still unga bunga and hear Raging Blow go thunk

[gleaming crag]

Am I doing something wrong or is our opener that weak ?

[olive wraith]

I got bad news

[compact loom]

use p much off cooldown, if adds are coming up in the next 10-15 secs hold but you can get a few more recklessness cooldowns out if you dont want and besides people are melting those adds and boss damage is major

[slim coral]

I'm sorry to inform you

Raging blow is dead

[scarlet swift]

you dont use raging blow anymore

[neat nacelle]

But it go thunk

What go thunk now

🤔

Why is it called Crushing Blow now

[slim coral]

it is only CB when you are in reck

due to our capstone

[neat nacelle]

Oh that talent is good now? I thought it sucked in War Within

But I stopped playing pretty early

[slim coral]

well one of the reasons it sucked is becasue it was competing with anger management

which has now been moved to the class tree

[neat nacelle]

Bloodthirst is the main filler now

I always kinda hated Bloodthirst it felt weak and floppy every time I used it even if it did good damage. I wanted it go make a sloppier noise

I'm assuming the infinite Raging Blow talent build is dead looking through the talents now

Pit Of Saron is a Mythic+ dungeon? Lmao

If they didn't change it that's like a 15 minute dungeon

[unborn delta]

Yeah it’s the same as icc

[neat nacelle]

Garfrost has a stun now it looks like, besides the health threshold ones when he makes a new weapon?

And we have to break the ores? I thought you needed the ores to reduce your stacks of frost damage

[dim tinsel]

Anyone playing mt has issues keeping st high but is doing just fine on aoe

[neat nacelle]

OH BOY SKYREACH

BRAWWWWK, SKYREACH. I HAVEN'T BEEN THIS CLOSE TO HER IN MANY YEARS

[silent lava]

Sorry to Interrupt, but o have a question.

Ist there Amy threshold i should aim for in the secondary stats?

I mean mainly haste, mastery i guess as much as i can get

[spiral ermine]

i think haste is like 1000-1100

and mastery starts to sim better

[gleaming crag]

guide bis gear shows so much crit its weird

[silent lava]

Yeah i know, i mean ITS good for some bloodthirst Talents but the damage increase from mastery Hits different

[gleaming crag]

still feels weak as hell opener wise, and do we want to get a few stacks of rampage before letting letting odyn fury and bloodstorm rip or just insta ?

have to farm hero puzzle box

to replace coe

[indigo arch]

ngl I was afraid it'd make us fly and subject us to that fucking bird at the start again

[indigo arch]

Tank breaks the ores, the people targetted simply place them smartly with tank breaking far one, and people hiding los behind other

[neat nacelle]

They definitely changed the dungeon if we break the ores lol

Did they remove the stacking frost damage aura you need to stand behind the ores to reduce or die from? I closed the tab without reading everything lol

[dry hawk]

at least we have

https://tenor.com/view/copium-copium-gif-gif-16769069044176343234

[indigo arch]

No, you need to los behind boulder or get melted

Ideally tank pulls boss behind boulder too, so ppl can dps

he doesn't stay near the wall when doing the ice shit now

[vast gorge]

so much fun dong m+ and busting ass to just be 3rd high dps while mage and dh are 1 and 2 with less ilvl

dont get me started on raid st fights

[gleaming crag]

I would take the aoe nerf if theyd buff our ST

[vast gorge]

i fucking hate having to rend with slayer build

i dont even worry about rend with thane build

[indigo arch]

I wouldn't, I just wanna blast in m+

[pale dragon]

Is it me or thane now superior to slayer in raid?

[indigo arch]

It is

With very few fight exceptions

[winter shoal]

For mythic yes, for heroic I'd only play thane on dragons, paladins, and maybe lura

[pale dragon]

Im seeing top parses for other bosses also be thane

[winter shoal]

Top logs are just going to be padding on adds

Generally in groups that have very low dps, or in groups where they've arrange to be the dedicated add killer

That's not necessarily bad, but it's also not necessarily useful, nor is it necessarily transferable to your runs

[pale dragon]

I have been running as slayer strictly in raids so far and im having hard time being competitive

[frank dawn]

fury is not good right now, as any spec

you can pad the shit out of some adds

that's it

[pale dragon]

I am a long time fury warrior....since vanilla

I am having the hardest time doing competitive dps in raids and im getting sat out because my dps is dog shit

[dim spindle]

I consulted the tea leaves and thane will be getting a +12% aura boost to compensate for the tclap nerf

Oh and mage will be getting a -12% aura nerf

Some would say it was just a wet dream. To them I say NAY

[winter shoal]

Unless you're in like a hall of fame guild, sitting players for spec balance reasons is very questionable

Good players on bad specs will almost always do better than bad players on good specs

Certainly for progression where dps checks aren't particularly relevant in comparison to just doing mechanics

[pale dragon]

How is wow analyzer for fury right now?

[winter shoal]

Should generally be up to date, but as always you have to take its output with a grain of salt because of the limitations of reading logs

[pale dragon]

I've been slayer strictly since its inception and I am considering switching to thane

[frank dawn]

I generally prefer Slayer but it feels pretty trolling atm in almost all the fights

[pale dragon]

Yeah I am not having fun

[digital ore]

Slayer shit until they fix Rend and bake it into something

[winter shoal]

I mean I think slayer is strictly better for most of heroic raid unless your group is like actively ignoring adds

But clearing heroic raid is entirely a mechanics check at this point

Your dps really doesn't matter as long as you're pressing your buttons somewhere in the general vicinity of correctly

Just a very weird tier where there's a lot of padding on adds, but the adds don't live long enough to be meaningful on normal/heroic, and our single target damage isn't good enough for us to justify outright ignoring them either

[restive peak]

Use logs to make sure your rotation is right, don't stress getting 100s on pad fights lol

[pale dragon]

I just feel like im so far behind the other raid dps in my guild....barely dpsing above tanks

[restive peak]

We are pretty meh right now

[winter shoal]

You should definitely be above the tanks tho

[restive peak]

If you're raiding with highly competent people, or people at your exact skill level, they'll likely beat you

Not tanks though that's like

No

[pale dragon]

I am above them but not by much

[winter shoal]

Could be a gear issue, rotation issue, cd timing issue

[restive peak]

Outside the odd AOE pull with no CDs going in vs tank going HAM, I wouldn't say I've had to fear the tank dmg at any point

[pale dragon]

Im not padding on adds as good as I could

[dim spindle]

Smash buttons, smash the meters

[restive peak]

So it's likely you're in the habit of over RBing still or something

[winter shoal]

You seen the beloren guardian druid logs?

[dry hawk]

my RL doesnt think we getting nerfed could I get the patch note post

[restive peak]

Just find a good log with a similar killtime to yours and see how different your ramp/BT/RB etcs are

[pale dragon]

I've tried to prioritize bloodthirsty but maybe I am hitting rb too much

[restive peak]

DONT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT BOSS AS DPS WARR NOW DO WE BIG?!

😛

[winter shoal]

#updates-midnight message

[restive peak]

Doing the log comparison is the fastest way to self diagnose

For example if a top log is throwing 70 ramps and 100 BTs and you're doing 55 ramps and 60 BTs...you've found your problem

Random number examples

[winter shoal]

In shit guilds like mine I will, we don't have the roster or player skill to be able to bench specs per-fight lmao

[restive peak]

Lmao GL bro I wish you the best on your 100 parse that is below the 20 parsers of other classes 😛

[winter shoal]

On that fight in particular maybe

It's usually not that dire though

Fury is a bit shit, but it's not THAT shit

[dry hawk]

ty

[restive peak]

Nah I know I'm memein

I actually haven't felt like a burden at all, raid or M+ wise

I'm certainly not giga crankin top tier chart droppin but we're not costing kills or anything, it's not that dire

[winter shoal]

I actually just played myself try to conjure up evidence to support my point

Mythic first boss, I did alright, solidly middle of the pack with some okay play

[restive peak]

LOL

Let's say this

[pale dragon]

Are you thane?

[restive peak]

I get why RWF didn't run a warrior

[winter shoal]

I go to boss dam -> it's default sorted by %ile -> okay I'm ethical eric

[restive peak]

I don't get why world 500 guilds are concerned

[winter shoal]

I sort by dps instead -> still on top

Wait no, the default sorting is lowest->highest

That's right baby

My 98%ile boss dam was the lowest raw boss dps in the raid

[winter shoal]

Brother I'm more concerned by my healers getting 1shot by salhadaar beams and fucking up the lura memory game than anyone's dps output

[restive peak]

LMAOOOO

[winter shoal]

By the time I'm getting CE, we'll have so much damage from gear and raid buffs that it won't matter anymore

Literally just "can you not wipe for the next 7 minutes"

[restive peak]

Nothing like my boss dam being 4k below our UHDK at a 99 vs his 46

Ye that's my mindset now too, luckily my new casual homies seem to be mechanically good

So we should be fine

[dry hawk]

is there a blizzard/wowhead post yet?

[winter shoal]

About the complete list of .5 changes? I don't think so

It's been in bits and pieces over the last few weeks

There'll probably be a big post in the week before .5 goes out, so sometime next week or so

(completely guessing btw)

[dry hawk]

you good haha

[scarlet swift]

did you look?

[keen kindle]

I love how

Blizz decided avatar feeling like an actual cooldown was bad

[strong monolith]

[keen kindle]

Nice

[strong monolith]

I dont even try to parse

[slim coral]

Pugging 16s be like

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-tired-sleep-deprived-exhausted-sleep-deprivation-gif-3654455578281021969

[keen kindle]

Bro is just him

[keen kindle]

HOLY GAPPERS

[sullen dove]

colossus arms does 200k there

[slim coral]

yeah but then you have to play colo

[sullen dove]

this looks like only a benefit

[calm swallow]

What buff we get for AA?

[young swan]

prob mastery

[keen kindle]

Guys question

Is fury still mostly target capped?

[compact knot]

i think its unironically not mastery

[sudden tusk]

prob crit

[keen kindle]

In DF the logic was

take a stat we don't stack

[compact knot]

well

[keen kindle]

So I remeber like arms went versa

[compact knot]

you get 3% mastery or 3% vers

[sudden tusk]

they got nerfed

[compact knot]

its 3% flat

[sudden tusk]

so its 3 not 5%

[compact knot]

^

[keen kindle]

Ye ik

[compact knot]

you would just take 3% vers instead of 3% mastery

in all scenarios

so its 3% vers haste or crit

think its either crit or vers ngl

vers seems op cause thats 1.5% less damage taken

[keen kindle]

The versa still seems like best option

[compact knot]

like arms will also never take mastery cause vers just does the same thing but more

(and crit/haste is probably just always better)

[keen kindle]

And it's just worse value cuz it does the same thing and you get DR

[potent mason]

The people on log review, help or is just wasting time?

[young swan]

is it 3% for mastery

im so sure i saw 4%

ive only done the dungeon like... 3 times or something tho

so

[brittle crow]

do i just do shit dps on voracious

do i just accept that i exist to parse on dragons

[olive wraith]

Well doesn’t it depend on how much rating gives mast %

Compared to vers

[compact knot]

3%

[astral path]

go slayer and pop cds immediately when they come up

huge dps potential

[brittle crow]

thought mt wasnt very far behind even in mostly st

[stiff maple]

its 4% mastery

unless it got nerfed within the last like 2 days

[young swan]

i thought so!

[stiff maple]

oh yea it did get nerfed lol

[thorny cove]

im an idiot I didn't spend any of my hero crests went from 269 ilvl to 274 just from upgrading gear lol

[stiff maple]

OH

it changes based on your spec

so, 4% mastery on fury 3% on arms

[pearl lance]

Guys ist the sim for Gems and Enchants kinda broken?

[stiff maple]

funny

[pearl lance]

I carry the best Gems via Sim but when i Change 3 and sim again it says its already the best so im a Little confused

Same with ring enchants

[sweet juniper]

Are dungeon slice sims reliable for Fury?

[restive peak]

No

[young swan]

reliable? sure. useful, eh? most of the data you would need to make decisions about gearing for dungeons will be given to you via 5 min patchwerk

the only decision there is to make is trinkets, but we dont have very many great options in that regard anyways

gaze, heart, plume, guidon

you could maybe think about puzzle box as well

[silk holly]

Am I throwing by playing fury on dragons?

[fringe vale]

gems and stat enchants are so little add that most of the time they are irrelevant

[sullen dove]

fury good on dragon

[fringe vale]

save cds for adds

[sullen dove]

arms maybe probably slightly better

but fury good nuff

[silk holly]

🫡

[gentle badge]

is there a thread or something i can see arms vs fury in m+? my sims have arms doing more aoe but fury doing more st

[young swan]

if you can play with a coordinated group, arms is kinda just better all the time

think fury is probably generally better for pugs

[junior gale]

Slarms says hello

[gentle badge]

i just did a 16 pit and on first pull, the feral and ret did like 500k dps and i did like 250k lol

as fury

[young swan]

play arms then

[gentle badge]

im sure im trash, i got 16 resil as prot and wanted to use my own key to learn dps these dungeons

[young swan]

fury kinda stinks unfortunately and it'll probably only get worse

[brittle crow]

arms time

[gentle badge]

i figured having odyns fury every pull would suffice enough in pugging

[young swan]

yeah its hard to justify it when OF is just worse than demo

[gentle badge]

thats true lol

demo is up nearly as often too it seemed like

[restive peak]

I mean 250k on 1st pull pit w lust is also a rotational issue

But arms just giga clears fury most likely atp

[junior gale]

demolish 15 sec cooldown in 11 days

[restive peak]

We are excite for this

[junior gale]

I only pray slayer remains decent enough that it still feels competitive with colo

gonna suck to feel like the only option is colo again

[carmine crescent]

Don't give in and become an Arms Apologist

[restive peak]

IMO colo feels better than slayer on arms

[junior gale]

Funny enough I guarantee you everyone would drop colo if they just gave arms fury bladestorm

instead of 10 year long cutscene

[restive peak]

That is prob true

I was absolutely mind boggled by my 1st slarms bladestorm

Like why am I afk

[junior gale]

its one of those moments that make you think am I lagging?

why is it still going?

[restive peak]

Legit I said I lagged out on disc and then realized

Fuckin 12second bladestorm

[fading sky]

imagine IF

col actually had a bit more rage

• Rav's cdr matched avatar

i would never fucking touch slayer then

but mismatching cds just makes me wanna quit

[dawn dove]

Any chance we get a last minute buff?

[vivid idol]

Ya it’s comin

[restive peak]

Ye the whole rav sub 35% spam cleave thing is also stupid

They really fucked warr up

[somber elk]

you guys think its slayer fury in keys next patch?

ww spam?

[fading sky]

nono ww spam is gone

[fading sky]

its not rly a thing anymore

[somber elk]

may come back with these changes^^

[fading sky]

no

seeing Rampage procs reap

i doubti t

[restive peak]

If thane gets ST buffs it may be thane still, the nerf hurts but it's not the end of the world, but otherwise it'll be arms

Slayer would need ST buffs that were notable imo to overtake arms in M+

[keen kindle]

To be fair

Fury has to have better ST then colo arms

right?

[compact knot]

colo st is getting buffed a lil

[keen kindle]

I am aware

But like

[compact knot]

but uh

[keen kindle]

I'm not sure if it's enough to be out of "just barely beat the tank" territory

[compact knot]

idk

[restive peak]

Probably close after buff

[keen kindle]

I also think colo REALLY needs a good opener

Like if you can't go into boss with 10 stack demo you are kind afucked

[restive peak]

Also as the resident ST/prio demon here, fury is just weak man

[keen kindle]

Makes me sad to see fury down bad

It's still my off spec

[restive peak]

I like gear my parses towards prio dam IDGAF and even I can admit fury ST is just giga dogshit tier

I just don't like how weird arms feels to me rn too

Only thane feels good

But still weak

[keen kindle]

Why can no spec I like have okay ST for keys

besides outlaw ig? It's not the worst thing I've ever seen

And sub is meta. But like...damn warr st makes me sad

And I say this as someone who really likes how arms feels rn, with a few major gripes (ravager and cleave to name a few)

[restive peak]

Yeah they fucked up with a lot of these designs, on a non DPS note we just like

Lose dmg or lose enraged regen

Fuckin stupid

And not like oh irrelevant rando maybe dmg like wrecking

[keen kindle]

The enraged regen node makes me mad

[restive peak]

We lose real dmg

It's garbage design

[keen kindle]

Like sure, it could be an interesting choice I guess

If it wasn't ENRAGED REGEN

Your MAIN DEFENSIVE

I don't even think stance mastery is a good excuse for that design

I love how midnight feels like we got a lot of what we asked for (well for arms, fury not so much)

But nothing we actually wanted

I mean techincally fury got better uncapped aoe with Ruin....In theroy

In practice it's tuned like dog

[restive peak]

Well that's the real thing right, our new AOE is dogshit and our main defensive is not just avail

[keen kindle]

Honestly I don't even think this should be a hot take

[restive peak]

I was saying before I think arms may win high keys purely off DBTS alone

[keen kindle]

But main defensives shouldn't be talents

[graceful mural]

Yeah its crazy

[restive peak]

Agreed

[keen kindle]

Like we were kind of here with when certain specs had interrupts as talents that you could just not take

[restive peak]

Or should be 1 of the forced unavoidable if you want it to be not avail lvl 1 or w/e

[keen kindle]

The funny thing is \

Arms is forced to take Die

You literally cannot not take it

Why is this not the case for fury

[graceful mural]

If you’re going to wipe my action bars don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater

[keen kindle]

I swear blizzard is actually afraid of fury becoming too tanky if they can take ER and stance mastery

[graceful mural]

I have 6 buttons and you’re incentivizing me not to take a really important 7th

[keen kindle]

And even though I like stance mastery, I am still extremely confused as to how we got that in a pruning expansion

[restive peak]

Yep lmao

[keen kindle]

Like wasn't one of the goals to reduce defensive power across the board? that's why Lichborne for DK got gutted, and it's why shaman lost Bulwark totem

[restive peak]

They designed it so we can't get stance well either anyway xD

[keen kindle]

So how the actual fuck did warrior, one of the better off defensive classes imo, get more tanky

Like actually make it make sense

[restive peak]

I understand tuning being off, shit happens

Once we degen everything and liquid/echo do shit, it happens

But how the fuck did that get through lol

[keen kindle]

Yeah I can forgive the tuning

Because it was clear from a mile away that this season's tuning was gonna be dog

But a lot of the design I can't

Ravager (and avatar to a lessar extent) existing for arms, cleave being absoutlely broken, rampaging ruin being what I can only assume is a meme talent at this point just so blizz can say "hey fury is uncapped now"

The ER node shit show that i genuinely didn't think was gonna go live but it did

I guess I can add kill or be killed to the list because why is a pvp talent in the spec tree lol

But honestly I don't care that much

OH YEAH

REND

[graceful mural]

Omfg Rend

[keen kindle]

I can forgive rend in arms mostly

I don't mind it as much, it's whatever. But....in fury

[fading sky]

and on Thane

[keen kindle]

I'm sorry

[fading sky]

u are a clappa

[keen kindle]

It dosen't fit. And thane literally just dosen't care

[fading sky]

y rename rend

to

Thunder

STRUCK

and it works

[keen kindle]

I don't get why fury needs dots now

[graceful mural]

Moving the fingers that god gave you to press fucking rend fucking sucks

[fading sky]

1 is enough

aka OF

[keen kindle]

I mean do we still have Cold blood

eh

[fading sky]

also its to mitigate the EXTREMELY HIGH BURST

[keen kindle]

don't really care about it

[fading sky]

right?

[keen kindle]

isn't fury flatter then my chest

[fading sky]

i know

😄

im coping as to reasons why

[keen kindle]

To be fair

[fading sky]

to be fair the PVP changes to col i can get behind

[keen kindle]

I do remeber in past xpacks when OF absoutlely demolished shit

[fading sky]

i mean it did not reaaly

but imagine creating 1000 Small critters that die almost insta

when fury can send of avatar of bladestorm in 3 globals

and u wonder why we win the pad

[keen kindle]

I mean also yeah

blizz is afraid of another Palace obviously

[restive peak]

1 of the reasons Thane is goated is because don't have to do rend

[fading sky]

yeah 100%

[keen kindle]

No I still have not forgiven blizz for that

[graceful mural]

Bro literally

[fading sky]

i mean i dont just understand

[fading sky]

we agree that mm is allowed to destroy shit

[restive peak]

Slayer having rend

Could not feel any fuckin stupider

[fading sky]

well u wont

in 12.05

[keen kindle]

12.05 fury dies

[restive peak]

I mean thank god cuz what dogshit design but fury sitll gonna be dumpster fire but worse

[keen kindle]

Nerfing the ava node

that hard

makes absoutlely zero sense

[lean osprey]

Well you see

[restive peak]

It's not AS bad as it would be if we weren't so weak on ST, and behind most other classes anyway

I understand nerfing that button, I do

I am fingers crossing we're going to see some tuning that balances it

Because otherwise it doesn't make sense, it's just wrecking the only thing we can do

[keen kindle]

I mean I'm hoping for warr tuning too

[restive peak]

And leaving us dead

[keen kindle]

Because slayer is also in a bad spot, at least for arms

And I'm salty because slarms in keys rocks

[restive peak]

Which is a weird weird decision, and I personally think arms is a bit of a clunky mess rn

[keen kindle]

And I only get like 2 months to enjoy it

[tawdry cliff]

Could you please share a link for changes?

[keen kindle]

And I don't even disagree

[tiny sonnet]

Do you still 5 target over dungeon slice for sims?

[keen kindle]

It's always been

But like god damn it

arms is my clunky mess that I like

[fading sky]

armses

[restive peak]

Basically you only care to swap trinkets for AOE Tood, and that's pretty like...free just look at the top warr M+ dmg logs

[fading sky]

in a Rage issue

[restive peak]

Otherwise sim ST

[fading sky]

which makes it feel like dog

[keen kindle]

I like fury too I'm just REALLY lazy to set it up

[restive peak]

When I was fuckin w slarms a bit, and I admit my UI was not set up for it, it felt like everythin was fuckin glowing constantly

[keen kindle]

Because blizz thought removing basically all our bonus rage was a good idea

it...it was not

[fading sky]

yeah

[restive peak]

But I know it's just turning your brain into press cleave press ms press cleave press ms

[fading sky]

just let OP give rage

[keen kindle]

I just hope like

TLT has actual good warr changes

[restive peak]

Rage is only cool as a minor limiter, the way it is for colo arms is anti fun

[fading sky]

i like beta arms

more

[restive peak]

Feels like classic at times

[fading sky]

I mean

[keen kindle]

I honestly thought they had a good idea in beta and alpha

[fading sky]

issue is

u cant have both

[keen kindle]

and then they ruined it

[fading sky]

Rage management and SUPER spiky rage OUTPUT
so

either

remove procs a bit

or remove rage cost of HS at least

[lean osprey]

So are we copium that there will be additional changes for fury in 12.05 or is it plausible

[fading sky]

like atm u cant plan the rage cost it feels 100% random

[keen kindle]

We're coping

Hardcore doomer coper hours

[fading sky]

i mean theres no way both warrior specs doesnt get a decent aura buff

[restive peak]

It is plausible and probable actually, that's all I'll say

[keen kindle]

I really hope slayer gets buffed

[restive peak]

We like a pipe that may need a wrench, we minor leak

[keen kindle]

And thane too

[lean osprey]

Having a lot of fun as fury in keys don't wanna swap classes

Painge

[restive peak]

There will be something, what it is no clue

But something

[keen kindle]

I'm a madman

[fading sky]

Lincc keep in mind in 12.05

[keen kindle]

Who plays rogue and warr

[restive peak]

Warr is DOA currently and that's not going to ship

[fading sky]

Collosus has same or slightly above st of Slayer 😄

[keen kindle]

Both are shit LMAO

[restive peak]

Rogue is a fuckin nightmare these days man, fuck that

Ye colo is the play during 12.0.5 barring additional tuning for SURE

[fading sky]

yes but that means collosus will 100% be the play

[keen kindle]

Rogue sucks because you have zero defensives

[restive peak]

But if thane gets ST compensation, or overall, there's a chance fury can compete

[fading sky]

u are LEATHER

[keen kindle]

If you can't cloak or vanish it, suffer

[keen kindle]

Ur telling me DH is as squishy as rogue is to insta fall over

[restive peak]

Do I go to bed post raid or play CS then sleep super late

[keen kindle]

Go to bed my man

I need to, got work in the mornin

[restive peak]

Actually DH is pretty fuckin paper too, or used to be

[keen kindle]

well, at noon but still

[restive peak]

I don't have clients til late but ye should probably not degen

[keen kindle]

I swear there's a couple leather classes that have okay durability

[restive peak]

Druids are surprisingly tanky

Monks too

[graceful mural]

Brew, Guardin

Sorry that was not funny

[keen kindle]

[restive peak]

Tm we commit a solid 5 keys to slarms and give it a real shot

[keen kindle]

God please give me a demolish emote archi

[restive peak]

Gnight homeskillets

[graceful mural]

Night boss

[keen kindle]

Ye ye

[smoky vale]

@radiant plank do i turn on the radio

for 1 key

[radiant plank]

sure

[smoky vale]

alr on

[radiant plank]

chill

[forest berry]

Hello guys quick dumb question, why should i press rampagne only at 100+ rage ?? i can't find why

[edgy widget]

You don’t only press it at 100+ rage, it just has a higher priority if your rage is >100

[forest berry]

to not overcap rage i guess, felt like i was pressing rampage too much during fights and was not paying attention if i was at 100 rage or less

ty for answering

[unreal onyx]

Is that realistically a big dps loss to use ramp whenever up vs using it at 100+ rage if possible?

Or just a minor min-max situation

[brittle stone]

On salhaadar how do we parse good if the tank doesn't stick the boss to the orbs and we can't cleave them? Pure ST damage on the boss isnt great I'm stuck at 77 parse

[smoky vale]

kill fast

but otehrwise cry

[brittle stone]

With the same damage profile if the kill is quicker the parse can get better ? Like 10 points higher ?

[forest berry]

not but u'll probably have better overall if he dies faster

[glossy mirage]

will there any rotational changes for 12.0.5? in fury or arms?
Still the WW meme going forward?

[brittle stone]

Or maybe switch to slayer for saalhaadar parsing ? Cuz I was thane

[smoky vale]

love having 261 tank in a 16

vdh randomly getting oneshot

[radiant plank]

dissing tjuan xd

[smoky vale]

the goat

[edgy oasis]

Parse is dependant on boss duration. 1min cooldowns you want the fight to end say 3.40. 4.40 or 5.40 to allow you a full use of your last set of cooldowns.

This plus many other factors. But yes. Add pad and uptime.

[fading sky]

ww spam not a thing

[brittle stone]

So I need to join groups aiming to improve their logs un order to have shorter/optimized fights ? Does that even exist ?

[edgy oasis]

Shorter not exactly. Optimal fights yes.

[sweet python]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CRbv4kNZK2AdWnHa?fight=26&type=damage-done&source=6&ability=-335096

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CRbv4kNZK2AdWnHa?fight=16&type=damage-done&source=6

Antone able to give some feedback/correction as to why this warrior is not doing well?

[unreal onyx]

#1347646810457636974

[brittle stone]

Groups for that exists ?

[edgy oasis]

Not exactly. I would argue all competent groups will be trying to parse high. Compared to casual groups.

Sounds like you need a different group.

[brittle stone]

For this boss really just a tank that gets near the orbs so I can cleave

[alpine palm]

Why not just swap off of boss to orbs

I get that in an ideal situation, you'd cleave orbs and boss but sounds like that is unrealistic in your case

[tardy lark]

if its mythic you are talking about, its entirely dependant on everyone else letting you blow small orbs up. If its hc, its better for you the longer the orbs live with tank movement to let your cleave for as long as possible

[brittle stone]

Because it change nothing it would still be ST, need to cleave

And I'm talking heroic

[alpine palm]

Oh sorry thought you were referring to Myth

[tardy lark]

then you are at the whim of your tank

[brittle stone]

Yeah that's what I thought, either the tank run far from the orbs or the orbs just get depleted too quickly

Maybe I need a progress group with lower dps with a tank that try to stick the boss towards the orbs ? But at the same time lower dps means the fight would be longer

[tardy lark]

just need a guild where people get better at fights

[white nest]

I've sacked off getting a log on heroic king. No use trying. Just full single target kill the boss for farm.

[brittle stone]

Yeah it's the only one I have difficulty getting 90+ with. I didnt try the two new bosses though

[fading sky]

i mean this is highly overrated

unless u are aiming for like +90 on mythic

then shit starts to get rly dependant

but if u are just parsing hc ( which is the only place u should aim for it this tier )

playing well nets u decent ones

[heavy galleon]

How is the difference between slayer and Thane for 12.0.5 ?

[fading sky]

hmm, ask us in a week or 2

coz surely we will get buffed

[heavy galleon]

I hope 😁

Will be good if Slayer get a good AoE