fury

[turbid bay]

honestly im kinda enjoying arrms atm

[compact knot]

the spec was doing the same aoe on beta btw

[turbid bay]

i havent touched it much until the last couple of weeks

[compact knot]

but

people didnt believe it

xdd

[echo rapids]

Rage pooling will never be fun

[compact knot]

then we put it f tier in every tierlist

because nobody knows how to play colossus

[grand basalt]

Awesome! thanks. I haven’t tried Arms yet. Kind of would hate to because I don’t feel like I’ve got thane down pat.

[compact knot]

gg

[turbid bay]

arms is probs in the easiest state its been in since i started playing war

slayer is pretty cruisy

[compact knot]

not a chance

slayer maybe

[turbid bay]

colossus has some buttons tho

[echo rapids]

Do you like managing multiple cooldowns all with different dynamic cdr? Because we have the spec for you

[undone flower]

There is a world they wait one 0.5 raid week to see the horror in wcl raid rankings before tuning

[compact knot]

even slayer had cdr management

[echo rapids]

Collosus is more complicated than most dps specs now

[compact knot]

but colossus is a spec of doom with cd management

[turbid bay]

i mean yeah nott false

[grand basalt]

I’ve been feral since BC if that counts?

[compact knot]

its the hardest spec in the game most likely

and its almost not close

[turbid bay]

colossus is all about lining up your small cooldowns

[undone flower]

Me when 5 micro cd to manage

[brittle stone]

What management?

Besides rend

[compact knot]

talking arms

[turbid bay]

well rend isnt really a cdr is just upkeep

[brittle stone]

I know what about it

[turbid bay]

its more just lining up colossus smash and demo

ava

[compact knot]

just blindly sending cs avatar or bladestorm

[turbid bay]

keeping up yourr sweeping strikes

[compact knot]

ruin the specs dps

[undone flower]

Ravager

[turbid bay]

yeah that too

old colossus does have a bit to manage

but its kinda fun

[undone flower]

Thats 5 CDs

[compact knot]

you have to align bladestorm and cs or bladestorm is worthless dmg in aoe

but its also annoying because the cdr isnt consistent

[turbid bay]

your almost never sending any cooldowns by itself

[compact knot]

it can be 1min cd or 15 seconds

[brittle stone]

Like you have to align BS and Reck with fury slayer, how is it difficult ?

[echo rapids]

I still can’t believe they shipped arms like this lol

[turbid bay]

your usually bundling 2-3 minimum

[compact knot]

because fury slayer procs SD twice as much as arms lmfao

[modest wave]

is it best to save avatar with bs + smash?

[compact knot]

it has infinitly more cdr

[modest wave]

or just send with cs

[compact knot]

BS and reck as fury naturally and consistently line up better

[echo rapids]

Fury gets enough cdr that it always has BS ready for reck

[smoky vale]

gm 57

[undone flower]

And fury holds bs for 30 sec if it needs to

[compact knot]

BS as arms could be a 20 second cooldown or a 80 second cooldown

you cant control it

[lavish sierra]

i mean avatar isn't always up for every cs. right?

[brittle stone]

So for arms you can send avatar alone but shouldnt send BS without CS ? Avatar alone is okey, CS alone is ok but not BS alone ?

[smoky vale]

no

[lavish sierra]

just a weird spec

[turbid bay]

kinda surprising that you guys think arms might be on the harder end of dps specs. are other specs just that easy atm

[compact knot]

they are yes

[lavish sierra]

dk is hit army and spam deathcoil

[compact knot]

dk is 1 2 1 2 1 2, mage specs are 1 2 1 2 1 2

[turbid bay]

thats kinda nuts

[compact knot]

shadow is fairly hard but its just insanity management

and spreading dots

[turbid bay]

meanwhile arms busting its butt to do tank dmg

i kinda like where arms is in dungeons tho

but im definitely a slarms enjoyer atm

[compact knot]

its in a good spot

you can play either spec in any dungeon

[turbid bay]

gives me a break from all the thane fury in raid

[compact knot]

colo st is insanely good if you can stack mobs onto a boss

slayer has pretty good st

[turbid bay]

i might have to brush up on colossus

[compact knot]

both have good aoe and crazy sustained healing in aoe

[turbid bay]

whats making it do more dmg in st with additional mobs?

does it have funnel noww?

im a bit outta touch ngl

[compact knot]

it has probably the most funnel in the game

[turbid bay]

oh ngl forgot about this talent

[turbid bay]

we had this in s3 no?

of tww

[compact knot]

we had it in s3 but it didnt make it do 50% increased damage

and no heroic strike

[turbid bay]

mmm ahh i c

oh fucking shit

is it proccing the heroic strike

i had no idea

[compact knot]

it does yes

[turbid bay]

thats good af

[compact knot]

makes heroic strike sweep and hit the main target for upwards of 200k

from what ive seen

[turbid bay]

wow

i was wondering why my heroic strike proc was getting munched

on vanguarrd

[compact knot]

i did like 110k on the first boss of algethar when i told people to not hit the little adds and let me funnel

shit is crazy

(110k on the boss itself)

[turbid bay]

yeah sounds goated

[compact knot]

you also get crazy good demolish cdr on 3t

[turbid bay]

good to know tho ill have to read up on it again cause im kinda keen to hit arms more in keys especially the way the changes are looking

[compact knot]

so thats also another funnel aspect

[turbid bay]

well demo is going to have crazy cdr after change

its going to 5s

the uptime on demo will be insane

[lavish sierra]

wait, you mean like, just ms and heroic or something? for funnel?

[steep rose]

Hiya quick question for this.. where it says thunderclap. if you don't have WW buff activated and it is less than 6 targets do you not get WW stacks back until you have thunder blast proc?

[compact knot]

cleave

[echo rapids]

Isn’t the issue that if we can’t fit a full additional demo between CS windows we will have to hold to it anyway?

[compact knot]

cleave funnels hard when you hit 3 targets

the demo cdr change wont change much in aoe

you will just wait for CS

but its INSANE on st

[echo rapids]

Ahh

[compact knot]

like very good

[turbid bay]

ahh bummer

mmm interesting

[compact knot]

which is colossus biggest issue

[turbid bay]

was demos cd on average going to look like in st

[compact knot]

the st component of the spec when not funneling

on average im not sure

i feel like on st its ~33 seconds

right now

which is essentially 3-4 mortal strikes assuming 1 crits

now 1 crit ms will give you 10 seconds of cdr

[turbid bay]

fuck me

[compact knot]

so it could cut it down to ~26-27 possibly

[turbid bay]

you could just luck the fuck out man arms is so crit dependant

[burnt oxide]

If no ww stacks, you clap, the text above the rotation should also make that clear

[compact knot]

which lines it up fairly well with cs

[echo rapids]

First key I tried as arms I forgot cleave was a cone 😂

[compact knot]

since cs is typically a 27-30 cd button

less probably

[echo rapids]

Used to that fury 360

[turbid bay]

yeah i really liking the way cs feels this season

its such a nice button

[burnt oxide]

I am still not sure why cleave is the upgraded one instead of other way

[echo rapids]

Is there any reason to swap to arms slayer over fury slayer

[valid pulsar]

i do it sometimes for m+

arms slayer is fun in m+

[compact knot]

they cant seem to make whirlwind feel good for arms

[burnt oxide]

Depends if you want to be identified as slurry or slarms

[compact knot]

its a issue the spec has had for awhile

they suck at making whirlwind feel like a good button to push

it was ok for bonegrinder windows

[steep rose]

Ok thanks was just making sure

[burnt oxide]

What i meant is, why isnt it just other way around in every way?

So full circle

[compact knot]

idk but i much prefer the mini game of player positioning to cleave

its weird and doesnt make much sense

[burnt oxide]

Yes and no

[turbid bay]

i kinda wish cleave had more range

[burnt oxide]

It does make sense that cleave is a cone, always was. kinda

[coarse nest]

Cleave is like a 180 “cone”

[turbid bay]

its less than 180

[coarse nest]

You basically can’t fuck it up if you even remotely try to pay attention

[turbid bay]

its more like a 120 ish degree cone

but yeah managing cleave is kinda fun

just frustrating when mobs arent grouped right but feels like less of a problem this season

[smoky nacelle]

its 180 cone in front of you

[turbid bay]

mmm did they change it was doing testing in tww and it didnt feel like 180

[smoky nacelle]

always has been a 180 cone in front of you since it was introduced in vanilla

aside from the normal damage changes over the years, the only thing to change is the cap on targets to be hit..been playing warrior forever

[coarse nest]

Me too friend

🤝

Warrior owns

[modest condor]

hi, cleave is not a 180 degree cone

[smoky nacelle]

you're wrong but ok

[modest condor]

im literally fighting dummies right now seeing cleave not hit 180 degrees but ok

[stiff maple]

Definitely wasn't even a cone from vanilla-wrath

[wide wren]

If you feel it’s not 180 cone, do share your reasoning and sources of information to add validation.

Simply stating it isn’t doesn’t support the claim

[stiff maple]

Simply stating its a 180 cone doesn't support much either does it

[wide wren]

I’m not the one making a claim

[modest condor]

see the one on the far left not being hit

the one i have targeted

[covert blaze]

r/skyhold

[trail bane]

Cleave is not a 180 degree cone

Its closer to 160

[smoky nacelle]

Cleave strikes "all enemies in front of you"

[trail bane]

Also, is 180 degrees a cone?

[smoky nacelle]

180 is everything in front off you

[trail bane]

A 180 degree semicircle

[stiff maple]

Brother

[hollow leaf]

friend asked me to come tank keys for him and his gf
says gf went to do her eyelashes and should take 15 mins

[thick finch]

if you reach your arms out directly to your sides that is not in front of you

[smoky nacelle]

its definently not a cone either

[trail bane]

Im pretty sure "In front of you" is also not 180 degrees

[chilly fractal]

Know why they call it the XBox 360?

[stable leaf]

What’s easier arms or fury

[hollow leaf]

both are easy

[turbid bay]

fury

[thick finch]

fury much easier

[coarse nest]

If normal melee range is 5 yards and cleave is 8 yards stretching the apex of the half circle from 5 to 8 would slight shrink the far left and right of the half circle so in theory it’d be slightly less than 180 degree “cone”

Also I just cooked that made up shit I have no idea what I’m talking about

[hollow leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-math-math-cat-numbers-cat-funny-gif-13385485103134761656

[coarse nest]

Lmfao

[burnt oxide]

In fron of you is stuff i can see

Therefore 120°

[coarse nest]

You just have to add so much text to your bullshit that people blindly follow it

[thick finch]

this is very easy to test on a dummy and it is 100% not 180 degrees

[hollow leaf]

mine's 0 then because I'm fucking blind

[turbid bay]

yeah i self tested

[burnt oxide]

Yes

[turbid bay]

cause i wantted to make sure i was cleaving as much as possible

[terse ether]

Is it worth doing Prey? Hunts

[grand vale]

You get heroic crests

not many but

champion gear and heroic/champ crests for nightmare hunts

[compact knot]

its aight for atls

alts

[grand vale]

for alts probably the best is to push valeera up and delve renown

So you get heroic loot out of there

[compact knot]

delves and prey good to slingshot alt ilvl for m+

do 3 prey -> collect beacon -> do 4x bountiful delves + use beacon

[grand vale]

you also get warbound veteran gear out of delves

[compact knot]

should give you ~ 10 pieces of gear

[grand vale]

idk about champ

[compact knot]

you get champ from bountifuls

[grand vale]

yeah but warbound too?

[compact knot]

yes

warbound vet

[grand vale]

with renown 8 yeah

then you get warbound champ

i'm at 7 now and only get warbound vet

i'm only doing bountiful 11s

but it's easy to bring your alt into t11 delves once 90, valeera just shreds everything

great to equip healers if you cba to run low dungeons or dont want to respec dps to quest

[winter shoal]

Wowa assumes single target so yeah

[warm crag]

i do much like this gif you have found

[warm crag]

man cannot go 23 seconds without shilling his product

[undone flower]

refuse to call it wowanal

[vestal root]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-lebron-james-lebron-james-meme-gif-13813867165701134767

[vast token]

https://tenor.com/view/lethal-company-gif-2665742826959095609

GM Slayer enjoyers

[vestal root]

noooooo i dont wanna rend

hello slayer cutie

[vast token]

I'm a Thane enjoyer

[modest condor]

look at these gamers

[compact knot]

holy

[vestal root]

learning

[compact knot]

load it up

[supple perch]

Learning

[compact knot]

learning is aura

[vestal root]

1 bleed tick instakills a dps?

also paladin tank huh

[plush maple]

Buying midnight right now to learn new dungeons with them

I wanna learn doing +32 too

🙂

As slayer fury of course

No rend

[vestal root]

who would ever invite warrior.....

unless your group ofc

[unkempt dagger]

honestly

[plush maple]

^ Brothers help brothers

[unkempt dagger]

true

im reading this and im being salty and im trying to think how to flame u

[plush maple]

Unless from the usual suspect servers

[unkempt dagger]

cant

ur right

[vestal root]

unless prot warriors idk what happened but i didnt have a single bad experience with protwars

[bitter palm]

that happens on 20 too

xddd

[vestal root]

i use heroic leap just so i can get grabbed by the gargoyle in pit of saron

[sleek parrot]

getting vastly different results on sim, in patchwerk 272 puzzle sims best, in dungeon slice 256 guidon and in hectic add cleave 256 crucible (renown trinket)

[modest condor]

we dont have a dungeon slice apl, dont use it

[sleek parrot]

what about hecic add, any better option for aoe sim?

[unreal onyx]

I think the go-to is still just using the build you wanna sim in a 1T 5/6min sim

since our aoe is basically our ST with a TC in between

trinkets are a bit more nuanced, but I personally just go by the wowhead list

[ruby thicket]

how many stats does arcanoweave give you and a partner at 285?

[unborn delta]

40ish and 10ish

[random shadow]

what makes raider io score from your main to show on your alt? is it certain Io on the alt or wait till database updates?

[fading sky]

Certain io i think

[static bison]

is this any worth?

I tested that U can remove the shit now with berserk rage

[dry ether]

depends on what u already have im guessing, trust the robot

[burnt oxide]

depends if you need the berserker rage for smth else

[warm crag]

why did they randomly turn that into a fear wtf

[winter shoal]

Man's talking like I get paid

[warm crag]

get paid in yellow fame

[vestal root]

is it me or even though paladins are like the most popular class, there are barely any in m+ and raids?

ret specifically

[sudden tusk]

If you aint seein Ret you aint lookin

the Weeds of Warcraft

[vestal root]

i see them arounf

afking

but so far i didnt play with any in m+ lol

guess its just like that

[valid pulsar]

do i still follow the st prio when fighting 2 or 3 targets as fury thane ? For example vanguard

[sudden tusk]

anything 5 or below its ST with ww stacks

[wicked eagle]

When did slayer go from recommend on like half the bosses to thane being all but 2

[waxen vale]

2 weeks ago

technically 3. but widely 2

[undone flower]

Since I play wow, paladin is nº1

[fast mural]

i see so many evokers i cant belive they are this low

[vestal root]

im not disagreeing im aware of this

[undone flower]

You mean there is so many evokers in the top 1% keys ?

[vestal root]

its just i feel like its kinda bait, i assume most pala players are just giga casuals and the actual tryharders are a smaller %

[fast mural]

even in 12s there is always one

[vestal root]

wtb evokers

[olive wraith]

April 21st friends. Doom incoming

[vestal root]

well, we didnt see patch notes yet no?

[fast mural]

but maybe its just cause im a warrior and i apply to groups with bloodlust

[undone flower]

Wowhead news

[vestal root]

no ive seen that i mean this is just overview, not final changes list

to see if fury is getting compensation buffs

[undone flower]

There is no final list

You are on the boat until wow2

[vestal root]

wow2 warrior is still getting nerfed weekly

[viral folio]

how badly are we getting nuked in 12.0.5?

[vestal root]

if you enjoy mountain thane its bad

[viral folio]

my guild already just wants to bring a prot warrior and call it a day.

[vestal root]

your fault, play ranged next time

[smoky vale]

play colo

[vestal root]

colo is good on like 1 fight in voidspire

[viral folio]

how dare i think that I can play the spec I love and raid.

[vestal root]

just get used to slayer fury i guess you can still clear the content anyways

[static mountain]

Isnt slayer gona be dead too? Or atlesst its ST?

[viral folio]

Maybe we can have a ranged warrior spec... the Heroic Thrower...

[scarlet swift]

With the Warriorcaust around the corner, what alts are we building

[vestal root]

ill still main warrior but cant decide if i wanna have ret or dk as alts

[viral folio]

is unholy getting the boom as well?

[frail spire]

is it GG in next patch? has anyone messed with slayer on PTR?

[scarlet swift]

gg for fury and prot

[vestal root]

prot can play colo

[scarlet swift]

i think i need to suck it up and learn to be a caster

[viral folio]

seeing fury so low on St hurts my soul

[scarlet swift]

they never get nerfed

[red berry]

honestly miss deep wounds for prot it feels so strange

[frail spire]

I know the thane changes are wild, but figured slayer changes might be okay?

[red berry]

slayer is worse off in ST then it was before which is very strange to me

[vestal root]

slayer does get bladestorm buff

[red berry]

and two targets

since they decided reap will only proc with 3 iirc

[scarlet swift]

yup, so ST giga-dead

[frail spire]

aw beans

[viral folio]

sweeping executes strikes?

[vestal root]

issue is playing caster, being immobile sucks ass

i guess if you play hunter you can have all

[frail spire]

be a BM hunter, solved

[scarlet swift]

most casters nowadays have moving spells

[vestal root]

true

200000 insta cast procs

still

[red berry]

the nerf to thane is still something I frankly don’t understand

[vestal root]

if i really had to reroll id go DK or Paladin, just cant decide

[scarlet swift]

i LOVE melee and especially warrior, but its just not the game anymore, and melee ground effects are ridiculous nowadays

[frail spire]

yeah our aoe was sick but not like wildly broken

[red berry]

like I’ve said I can get cutting the cooldown reduction, that’s healthier for the rotation

[brisk root]

Blizzard staff runs on warrior tears since they ran out of breast milk

[frail spire]

nerubar palace all over again rip

which means we'll get more pity buffs two weeks after this goes live

[undone flower]

Half melees are not even melees

[scarlet swift]

exactly, only warrior is

ret has 40yrd range on 80% of its hits

[undone flower]

Nah still some remains

[viral folio]

warrior and maybe rogue

[vestal root]

upside is, i think warrior is gonna get a nice rework at one point

so we can cope and hope

[scarlet swift]

in 2028

[frail spire]

been coping and hoping since DF

[viral folio]

the last titan is actually warriors comeback tour

[undone flower]

That’s a downside for me bc I like fury

[vestal root]

well i think core will stay the same probably

[scarlet swift]

the last titan, is the death of warriors, he is the last

[frail spire]

i want S3 slayer fury back

from tww

[vestal root]

its just that warrior players need to accept modern class design if we want buffs and comfy gameplay

[scarlet swift]

was that 20stack bloodthirst?

[normal shuttle]

that was awful. spam rb nty

[viral folio]

at least give us the ST

[frail spire]

i just like to spin

[undone flower]

Azeroth is a warrior

[vestal root]

yes ret is braindead but they are not whining when theres a pointblank aoe

not saying we should be rets

[red berry]

they also have good ST

[scarlet swift]

and brez

[vestal root]

but we need to accept that modern wow has no place for old warrior

[scarlet swift]

and self heal

[vestal root]

its just how it is

[scarlet swift]

thats not our fault, they need to fix their class

[normal shuttle]

warrior died when DH was released and its been trying to find purpose since imo

[viral folio]

we bring a buff... we need a tank one and a dps one that stacks

[vestal root]

well yeah

havoc is better warrior

[normal shuttle]

yepp

i main both and always question why i hang onto my warrior.

[vestal root]

but warrior players are saying "arms is the best thing ever" meanwhile its the jankiest piece of shit spec

[viral folio]

warrior was good in legion

[undone flower]

Paladin is better warrior*

[viral folio]

it was after legion it died

[frail spire]

colossus arms is very janky imo, but slayer arms seems fine?

[vestal root]

so ofc they dont change warrior because we are eating shiz and saying it tastes good

[humble plover]

mages are better warrior

[native island]

Let’s all play Druid

[normal shuttle]

cold steel hot blood killed warrior

[vestal root]

remove rend give skyfury baseline and yeah it can work

[undone flower]

Leave brown class so I get all the loot and the ladies

[vestal root]

yknow what version of warrior i think they shouldve worked on? DF s3

[native island]

I’ll start my own class. With Blackjack and Hookers

[scarlet swift]

https://tenor.com/view/bender-shutupbaby-iknowit-futurama-courtroom-gif-4885109

[undone flower]

Oh that’s ChatGPT in the Simpson ?

[vestal root]

siri

[frail spire]

i mean they just need to address rage right, i havent tried arms in a hot minute so idk

[vestal root]

yeah execute phase is gg for rage

[native island]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-awkward-gif-20874314

[heavy galleon]

what's void forge ?

[vestal root]

i think we gotta just ask big blizz to "modernize" the class as much as i like current warrior, because im convinced they dont know how to balance warrior at this point

[vestal root]

bonus roll

[undone flower]

press simple execute
0-20 rage for 20 sec

[native island]

Every class discord has someone saying this about their class.

[olive wraith]

Imagine if we actually had an execute profile

Then maybe we would have a niche

[undone flower]

We have an execute profile

[olive wraith]

Instead of a bad jack of all trades

[vestal root]

issue is encounter design

[olive wraith]

Do we?

[vestal root]

some encounters you dont really get to execute a lot

or some end on earlier %

[undone flower]

Yes but bc of mostly

And execute ofc

[vestal root]

while encounters like we had where bosses start at 40% or something, warriors would do well and then blizz nerfs us for it

[worthy geyser]

take me back to uldir
the glory days of demolishing every dps meter

[olive wraith]

How much of an increase is execute phase

[vestal root]

does paladin have executes nowadays? i remember hammer of wrath got removed or somn

[normal shuttle]

warrior class balanced by some nerd who got beat up in vanilla by one

[vestal root]

i mean arms has execute niche kinda

2 executes 1 ms for big dam

fury not rly

its "there"

[olive wraith]

That’s hardly anything lol

[vestal root]

idk

i like warrior but im not gonna lie its hard to like it for sure

maybe why ppl play pala is because its such an iconic class so they always get good changes

low cortisol gaming

cant say the same about DKs they are either nuclear level good or mid af depends on tier

[undone flower]

Bc it’s one of the most fun class, pala was nº1 played from bfa to today (since i play)

Even in patch it’s doggo dps

[vestal root]

dont gotta tell me i used to be pala main from legion up to one point

[spare steppe]

April 21st 🙁

[red berry]

its okay they’ll buff thunder blast and our ST :)

[drowsy heron]

2 weeks until Thane get gutted

[dusty cove]

So the upcoming change to storm surge, that only effects thunder claps damage? not thunder blast?

[deft light]

short question - if i have an crafted myth weapon and get a second twohand weapon for offhand in hero track.
can i upgrade the second one without crests?

[undone flower]

around 10k dps

[lunar mountain]

yes, go for it

[lean heart]

april 21st its over

[crude crater]

Yes, if you swap to arms, then swap weapons. It'll be free to upgrade.

[deft light]

ty

[livid arch]

R.i.p. thane

[smoky nacelle]

Just means more BT less TC

[livid arch]

Well AoE dps will be significantly less for m+

[kind bison]

wonder if we still play fury in raid

[frank dawn]

20% aura buff inc

[livid arch]

lol that would be NICE.

[kind bison]

do we have official 12.0.5 patch notes yet or just assuming based off PTR still?

[frank dawn]

no final notes yet

[smoky nacelle]

Ptr

[livid arch]

They will ship it as is

Seen it before

[smoky nacelle]

Seriously doubt they will re tune

[livid arch]

They will retune May 5 I bet…. Hopefully

[echo rapids]

We arnt getting any ST compensation, maybe after a few weeks

No one at blizzard will connect the dots

[livid arch]

I think you misunderstood what i meant. I meant I’ve seen them release shit tuning before

[echo rapids]

I mean isn’t that what this will be?

[clever iron]

patch hittin us at 21.4 lets see what will happen to warrior 😄

[echo rapids]

-7-10% ST damage for slayer

[livid arch]

Sad part, that’ll be only viable spec for m+ Sadge. Even with that ST nerf

[heavy galleon]

So we are dead in 2 week

[quiet geyser]

As it currently stands, yes

[vestal root]

arms angle

[smoky nacelle]

So I need to clear mythic raid before then. ✅

[brisk dragon]

arms is getting a nerf on cleave too isn't it?

[kind bison]

is the 20% reap change not going to benefit ST at all?

[brisk dragon]

no because you cant reap in st anymore

[vestal root]

you dont proc reap on st

bladestorm buff tho

[kind bison]

o fk, ty gamers

[vestal root]

[proud bough]

At least they seem to be tuning regularly/frequently. Hopefully they’ll see our single target drop and give some buffs a week or two after

[smoky nacelle]

They'll probably do something like buff RB again

[quiet geyser]

Its not even just ST man

Fury already needs god

Then getting nerfed

Sorry, changes that result in a nerf*

[lavish sierra]

Fury, arms or yes

[frank dawn]

I mean we've been dropping every week and they ain't done shit with the tuning passes

idk, if there's no final update notes sometime later today my confidence is not high

[quiet geyser]

Fury more so.

[echo rapids]

If only someone could look at logs and see that reap is 6-9% of our ST damage and you know

Anticipate that

[proud bough]

Yeah I mean, it does feel bad that some of us are probably only raiding this week because we bring battle shout lol… but it’s not like we’re absolutely dog shit on every boss.

[echo rapids]

They certainly immediately give compensatory buffs to mages and dks

[proud bough]

Would be nice if we had that technology, but alas

[smoky nacelle]

Don't forget rally

[proud bough]

Oh true - and of course our mini roar now

[smoky nacelle]

That was nerfed into oblivion

[quiet geyser]

Fury is.

[vestal root]

Mages are blizzards fav class since vanilla no?

[proud bough]

4 seconds of our closest 2 friends going a little faster is insane wdym

[smoky nacelle]

In comparison to other classes

I mean why even nerf it is my point

[upbeat plume]

I mean they are letting devour sit like 10% ahead of everybody else atm so logic is out the window lol

[last belfry]

bcs blizz hates warriors

just that

[keen kindle]

-No there's logic to that

[proud bough]

I realize haha - I’m being mega sarcastic - I think our “mini Roar” is a joke.

[echo rapids]

Anyone who didn’t see that coming is blind

[smoky nacelle]

This the way

[keen kindle]

new spec has to be op

[last belfry]

they didnt even hired a dev for warrior since DF

[keen kindle]

They did the same shit with Aug

[echo rapids]

New spec being overtuned!!?

[keen kindle]

Literal law at this point

[last belfry]

a janitor in blizzard is being our dev

[vestal root]

Oh yeah wasnt aug like giga busted

[keen kindle]

Yup

until blizz shot it for S2 of TWW

[vestal root]

But tbf aug was new in its support dps

[echo rapids]

Whatever class comes out in last titan will be busted

[rigid stirrup]

New specs are gonna be giga busted on release

[vestal root]

Titanborne

[echo rapids]

Hopefully tinkerer

[vestal root]

Its warrior but better

[smoky nacelle]

I dream for an overnight buff to warrriors like fucking rogues

[rigid stirrup]

Surely we get some more love w the .5

[vestal root]

Being a rogue player is worse than warrior

[quiet geyser]

Go flood the forums. Probably does nothing.. but hey bitching seems to solve every other class when they suck

[last belfry]

yeah will need like 5 posts like before

[crude crater]

If it's gonna be poop, at least let me hold the SBA down and do the same damage. If I'm gonna do poorly, I'd rather not also have carpal tunnel.

[rigid stirrup]

But honestly happy to see thane get headshot. Its fun for a bit but loses charm quickly imo

[last belfry]

honestly idk why nerf thane and they are nerfing even prot together with this change

[quiet geyser]

Theres a couple already. But warriors have this disorder (myself included), where we'd rather sit in discord and bitch about how bad we are instead of actually making forums posts

[echo rapids]

Prot has been so fun to just shield slam and clap through +10s

Rip

[quiet geyser]

Second ret or dk is not a top 7 spec, there's like 15 posts up and discords shutting down lmao

[echo rapids]

What’s funny is this is an amazing tuning season for DK but there’s not enough single target fights for it to be obvious

Their aoe has too much ramp

[quiet geyser]

They were brought for the race so doesnt matter

Obviously a very good spec

[echo rapids]

Yeah of course because a RWF guild will plan

[vestal root]

Tuning for 0.1% is wack

[echo rapids]

I still can’t believe they are a pseudo ranged spec lol

[vestal root]

Yeah its kinda turning me off from them lil bit like i wanna play an undead juggernaut

[echo rapids]

Frost DK: am I a joke to you? (Yes)

[vestal root]

Yes

Frost dk is like arms its jank

[frank dawn]

Frost DK might be the only spec worse off than warrior come next patch lol

[spare crypt]

Blood dk it is then

[frank dawn]

(idk if they are getting good changes)

[vestal root]

Blood dks gigachads

[spare crypt]

[echo rapids]

Also maybe I missed it but why are warriors not on the simcraft rankings?

[spare crypt]

Nobody knows when imma die not even myself

[vestal root]

At this point i firmly believe DKs are in tankjail

[echo rapids]

Unholy DK hiding how absolute shit the class is

Blood might have its worst iteration in a long time

[vestal root]

UH still has turbo opener then 1 button rotation until turbo cds spam again?

[smoky nacelle]

Took long enough

Hero classes killed warriors

[echo rapids]

Pretty much

It’s very cooldown heavy though, I’m not a fan

[vestal root]

Adhd sim

[echo rapids]

Like outside of CD it’s boring and low damage

[vestal root]

Ahhh

Thats what i dislike

Thanks

Ret pala alt it is

[spare crypt]

meanwhile i play Ret as my main DPS and just click 5 buttons

me no thinky me press big hammer me do dam

[vestal root]

Survival hunter looks real fun lowk

[spare crypt]

it does i saw my friend playing it and im like damn that looks cool

[vestal root]

Has a shotgun

[spare crypt]

i dont have a mail class leveled yet so i might roll one finally

[torn oriole]

They Nerfed Moutain Thane ?

[spare crypt]

my resto shaman is at 81 but i was slacking during timewalking week

[vestal root]

I didnt level anythin yet lol

[drifting token]

Can confirm survival is a blast, pun intended

[vestal root]

Too lazy

[spare crypt]

i have a 261 warrior 275 paladin and a 253 DH

[frank dawn]

warrior not highest ilvl...TRAITOR

[echo rapids]

Ret go burrr

[vestal root]

Id main dh if there were momentum or inertia or similar shite

[spare crypt]

group wanted me on paladin for M+

[echo rapids]

It’s the real fury warrior these days, constant damage, very zug zug

[spare crypt]

i might be getting yeeted over to prot warrior though in our M+ group our main tank wants to dps

and unfortunately he is objectively better at hitting buttons than me

[vestal root]

Luckily prot warrior is turbo good

Tho also gettin nerfed in thane lol

[spare crypt]

yea really chill to run with i was zipping through a bunch of 10s last night at 245-250 ilvl while gearing up

[torn oriole]

There is a new patch note? I didn’t see that ç.ç

[spare crypt]

the pulls get spicy sometimes since im so used to DK being able to just say no to half the mechanics in a pull

[vestal root]

Ptr cchanges check updates channel

[potent geyser]

Seeing lots of people rocking Thane in Raid. Is slayer no longer the go to for raid?

[vestal root]

Because thane ST is almost same

[spare crypt]

i run slayer because bladestorm is a funny button

[vestal root]

Fair

I also prefer it

[smoky nacelle]

Thane in raid feels weird

[spare crypt]

i might swap to arms if i start raiding on my warrior tbh

arms is just a feels good spec even if it is kinda whatever

[vestal root]

This tier is generally shit for warriors and melee

[potent geyser]

yup

Big time

[spare crypt]

well its a damn shame cause i only play melees or tanks

[smoky nacelle]

I would like to not move as much for once

[vestal root]

My rogue friend basically feeling even worse

[spare crypt]

i did hear rogues were pretty down bad

[vestal root]

My enha shaman guildie is elemental now

Not because of balance

[spare crypt]

ngl now that i think about it most of my friends arent even bothering rolling melee specs

[vestal root]

Rogue is somehow worse than arms in terms of outdated and jank

[vestal root]

Same here im the only melee lol

[spare crypt]

most of them are playing range specs as their main

to be fair 2 of them are always range players primary though with mage/lock

[smoky nacelle]

What was there like 4 melee in the RWF

[spare crypt]

1 of them flexes and is on blue DH

[vestal root]

I thought even less?

[smoky nacelle]

Just the DKs haha

For grip

[vestal root]

I thought 2 dks was it

[drifting token]

are you inlcuding the tanks in that number

[mossy pelican]

Rogue for DR

[smoky nacelle]

Nah dps

[vestal root]

Ah true

I wish i enjoyed ranged more

[smoky nacelle]

Something about just standing there and throwing spells out from a far feels weird to me

[spare steppe]

I don’t mind ranged it’s just less fun

[vestal root]

I like melee greed and movement

Its why i love warrior

[spare steppe]

The constant bouncing around and spinning is fun

[vestal root]

Heroic leap and charge are my 2 fav abilities

Leaping out with aoe last second then charging back in

[spare steppe]

I wish we got intervene baseline too

[vestal root]

Like its so good

[smoky nacelle]

Leaping to catch an orb on dragons then rushing back in feels dope

[vestal root]

Yeah

[spare steppe]

Fury definitely has the best vibes of the melee

[vestal root]

Also unnoticed is;

Talent names

Holy F

Metal as hell

[prisma raft]

what do fury war sim nowadays?

[vestal root]

Fueled by Violence

kill or be killed

Cruelty

Like how awesome

[spare steppe]

Middle of the pack

[calm dock]

might be a dumb question but why do we take spell reflection in pve content? if its just so we can get honed reflexes that seems a waste of 2 talent point even more so since currently alot of builds arent running ER am i missing smth?

[obtuse palm]

-20% spell dmg reduction is huge

[spare steppe]

It’s one of the best defensives

20% magic dr on a 25s cd that can also completely negate spells or mechanics

[calm dock]

fair

[spare steppe]

And since it’s early class tree, we aren’t really sacrificing throughput

Unlike stance mastery and enraged regen

[obtuse palm]

So now that they announced the date for. 5, that's when our aoe as Thane will be gutted with no compensation?

April 21st?

[spare steppe]

Yes

[vestal root]

it can borderline save your life

you can reflect many spells and you really need DR for higher content

[balmy maple]

Can you spell reflect Gale Surge in Sky Reach?

[vestal root]

dont think so?

[remote charm]

I’ve been blessed with a hero track eternal void song chain necklace from the weekly quest. Is there even a possible use for the « equip » portion via weapon enchants/trinket or something else for a fury warrior ?

[bitter palm]

me when solar construct in skyreach is casting solar flame on me

and i reflect it

[vestal root]

rings from nexus point or gloves in seat

[balmy maple]

I swear you can't spell reflect anything worthwhile this xpac

[bitter palm]

take 0 dmg and the mob explodes itself

[vestal root]

you can spell reflect many shit from trash packs, nullaeus debuff

[calm dock]

what did they change with thane i thought only slayer got changed

[thorny arch]

Pretty much any interruptible direct cast spell is also reflectable. Saves an interrupt and does a lot of damage.

[obtuse palm]

You can spell reflect polymorph in Magister terrace

[drifting token]

Also when slayer's st is gutted with no compensation

[vestal root]

pyroblast from pyromancers in mt too

all shadowbolts in pit

and so on

[thorny arch]

You can also reflect the pyroblast

[vestal root]

light bolts from nexus point

[chilly fractal]

Oh hell yea

[vestal root]

🗿

[dapper goblet]

already in that discord

[calm dock]

mods?

[balmy maple]

Somebody got hacked

[calm dock]

lmao even

[chilly fractal]

Or they just wanted to spread the goon

[vestal root]

girls in warrior discord? big mistake

nobody here talks to girls

[balmy maple]

How do I know if I'm the target though?

[spare steppe]

There’s an addon for that!

I miss weakauras 🙁

[vestal root]

you can see even on blizzard plates

[chilly fractal]

Using your eyes also works

[thorny arch]

Entropic Leech and Blistering Smite in nexus point are both uninterruptable but reflectable

[livid arch]

What’s the add on?

[spare steppe]

Targeted spells. It’s also targeting you too

[balmy maple]

That's my problem with spell reflect on trash. So many casts hard to tell what is targeting what.

[livid arch]

You rock. Thank you

[balmy maple]

I'm blind actually. I play entirely by echo location

[chilly fractal]

Using someone else’s eyes then

[vestal root]

just cleanse the blind debuff bro

[balmy maple]

The add on is called targeted spells? I'll add it to the list

[toxic pivot]

anyone know what addon causes this window?

[remote charm]

Awsome, I forgot the gloves from Seat ?

[balmy maple]

Warriors don't get a cleanse

[vestal root]

just ask a healer....

[thorny arch]

Maybe Zerker Rage?

[calm dock]

man thane getting fucking slammed in the patch notes and slayers aoe got gutted aswell

[vestal root]

[calm dock]

is warrior just gonna have terrible aoe all around?

[vestal root]

just dont play warrior

[balmy maple]

I really don't get why this is happening. Blizzard just hates warriors I guess

[spare steppe]

Arms has amazing aoe

It just feels awful to play and is dog water ST

[vestal root]

thats colossus

slayer arms is the way

decent st decent aoe

[spare steppe]

But does it feel bad

[languid girder]

yes

[vestal root]

slarms feels way better

like proper arms

[calm dock]

well yea and now both slayer gets hit with aoe nerfs and thanes aoe got gutted

[spare steppe]

Cause there’s no rhythm for collo

[vestal root]

colossus is abomination

[languid girder]

yes

[vestal root]

slayer arms is lowK pretty easy

just dont spam execute in execute phase

and pray for shaman in party

[spare crypt]

me having 2 friends that rotate playing shaman so i can always get windfury

[fresh creek]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dB4ZFaqpjVyfWvYx?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=157 can someone tell me what i am doing wrong

[calm dock]

playing warrior

XD

[vestal root]

kucky

[vestal root]

lmaoooo

[calm dock]

nah fury is pretty damn good rn

[young swan]

fuck it is

[quiet geyser]

Are you high

[calm dock]

yall can complain but objectivly we are doing on average really good damage

[jolly ridge]

fury clearly will be even more stronger once we get that thane adjusted

[vestal root]

posting this again

kek de la llel

[quiet geyser]

Bro ur using an old picture lmao

[young swan]

only 1 crafted item, undreamt god's oozing visage sucks, seems u arent holding CD's for add spawns which would disproportionately effect your damage

[quiet geyser]

Go look today

[clever iron]

😂

[calm dock]

its from 2 days ago

[quiet geyser]

Again

[fresh creek]

boots and weapon crafted

[quiet geyser]

Go look today.

Fury dropped like 13 ranks in 24 hours

[calm dock]

jesus

[quiet geyser]

Oh wait nvm

Ur pic is accurate

[chilly fractal]

This week I feel noticeably weaker and I’m not doing anything differently

[quiet geyser]

But how does that look good to you?

[young swan]

so u do

[calm dock]

source is https://www.wowhead.com/news/augmentation-evoker-tops-boss-damage-in-mythic-march-on-quel-danas-midnight-381136

[quiet geyser]

We're bottom half overall and almost deadlast on boss dam

[young swan]

beast mode spec

very good for sure

[jolly ridge]

with thane nerf in 12.05

it will be even more shittier

[frank dawn]

oh damn we are beating arcane on boss dam now

nice

[calm dock]

where can i see the current logs?

[young swan]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/46?dataset=95&metric=bossdps

[quiet geyser]

First half of your name is pretty accurate if you think fury is in a good spot

[jolly ridge]

i mean to be fair, we are in a good place for M+

[quiet geyser]

For now lol

[jolly ridge]

its not that bad but it will change with 12.0.5

[calm dock]

sry i didnt realise the article from 2 days ago was that out of date

[coarse nest]

Ahh yes the cool relevant section!
Boss damage!

[quiet geyser]

Bunch of shit got buffed (except us), adds dying faster. Who woulda thought a useless ST spec that can only kill adds would dwindle 🤨

[young swan]

not even

[calm dock]

damn and we are still getting nerfed

crazy

[frank dawn]

the spec is not rampant dog shit in M+ like it is in raid

so if that's good, then sure I guess

[quiet geyser]

Tbh, thats a pretty linear line minus demo lol

[vestal root]

my warlock guildie tells me lock is fine and not that ahead of others

[calm dock]

isnt it also that alot of specs only recently got access to 4 piece bonus and fury got a really weak one

[quiet geyser]

Locks say that every tier

Even when they're like 20% ahead of everything

[vestal root]

he misses half of his CDs and still blasts us on meters

but its me i guess

[unborn delta]

the demo locks in my keys are driving down the average

always on some 70k overall shit no pots cds not bound

[vestal root]

giga tanky, borderline not a caster class, crazy cleave

but nerf warriors i guess

[echo rapids]

Our actual good lock is top a lot in raid

[vestal root]

devs are scared of making locks NOT top 1

idk why

[chilly fractal]

Because in Vanilla they couldn’t apply their dots freely on bosses /s

[fleet garden]

Guldan is secretly a developer

[vestal root]

i believe it

[spare steppe]

Slayer fury being worse ST than slarms is kinda surprising

[echo rapids]

And demo is such a goated spec

[warm crag]

opinion on the vessel of horror that doesnt horrify anymore it fears

[young swan]

maybe good maybe

idk

maybe

[warm crag]

i simmed it its horseshit even if you fix that sim thinks you ahve to be dispelled

[quiet geyser]

Kalamazi would have an actual heart attack if lock didn't have a spec in top 5. Blizz just looking out for his health

[vestal root]

[echo rapids]

It’s like controller ready

[spare steppe]

Every m class should have a spec in the top 12

[calm dock]

maybe a dumb question but why are the thane changes listed under fury? dont they apply to both specs?

[vestal root]

hero stuff can differ depending on spec

[dim spindle]

So is it time to raid the arms' channel's warehouse full of abandoned coffins and start marching?

Surely daddy blizzard won't neglect us. Surely.

[limpid tide]

It really makes me wonder what they look at when they nerf things or is it just off vibes

[dim spindle]

My heart tells me that they have other plans we haven't seen yet and the nerfs will be compensated

[silent lava]

Hey guys, are is there a haste threshhold i should aim for? I dont find anything useful if im googling it

[limpid tide]

If this goes through as is on the 21st fury warriors in the gutter

[twilit narwhal]

I can understand that we are bad on L'ura, but most fights have an adds/aoe component? Fury is good in cleave/adds fights naturally

[dim spindle]

My microplastic poisoned eternally depressed brain says "we're cooked"

[lean osprey]

This is what I hope as well, currently the degenerate tc spam in keys during cds is not the most satisfying gameplay imo

[dim spindle]

So my strategy (for real life as well) is to just ignore my brain.

[lean osprey]

But if we get no compensation dead spec I guess

[limpid tide]

At least it does dmg though

[dim spindle]

Hope, my friends. Hope, thoughts, and prayers.

[chilly plume]

i gotchu king

[dim spindle]

There it is

[limpid tide]

Still 2 weeks out surely good changes come

[dim spindle]

Don't call me shirley

[timid laurel]

hi, im new to this game and have a question, to copy talents and such should i use icy veins or wowhead? ty

[spare steppe]

[chilly plume]

icy

[dim spindle]

But, yes. I agree.

Surely.

[limpid tide]

Warcraft logs

[spare steppe]

Should be the same

Both are archi

[timid laurel]

🫡

[dim spindle]

If they don't compensate I'm heading straight for the official blizzard forums and filing an official complaint.

I might even have chatgpt write it for me, for extra oomph

They'll HAVE to listen

[echo rapids]

Surely

[dim spindle]

Surely.

Anyway, for completely unrelated reasons, I'm going to go finally get my lock to 90.

[calm dock]

i mean it worked for unholy and ret they cried loud enough and got help

[dense elbow]

Hoy, relax, dont bring nukes to a snowball fight!

[limpid tide]

True

[echo rapids]

Yeah but blizzard likes those classes

[limpid tide]

Also true

[echo rapids]

They are warriors with actual theme and flavor

[dim spindle]

Yeah but do they zug

I thought not

Okay maybe orc DK does

[echo rapids]

Ret and DK are the two hero specs of warrior

[dim spindle]

But other than that, we've got them covered in the zugzug category

[echo rapids]

We are playing vanilla

[dense elbow]

Imagine if they dont compensate us for the lost performance, because it is "after the rwf focus", and we just got to sit there for a patch, get buffed for the next one, nerfed on raid launch - repeat

[dim spindle]

Grok would be the true nuclear option

[dense elbow]

blizz would never do that tho

surely

[echo rapids]

Surely

[dim spindle]

Surly

[dim spindle]

Hope

Prayers

Thoughts

Think positive, mon

[frank dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-care-no-fucks-given-never-gonna-give-a-fuck-dancing-gif-15460621

The Blizz dev looking at those thoughts and prayers

[dim spindle]

If we all just believe really hard that we'll get buffed before the 21st it has to happen. Manifestation

[obtuse palm]

The just have to revert the nerf, we're not even OP in any situation

[dim spindle]

It worked for Jack Parsons

Until he exploded anyway

[stiff maple]

30% aura buff is coming

[last kettle]

Guys I am getting really pissed off with my fury warrior I am performing badly I know its me but I cant figure out where the hell I am going wrong, could someone please take a look over my log for Averzian and tell me what the hell is going on https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DHyRkg7PhFC4naLK?fight=53&type=damage-done

[dim spindle]

That's da wey!

[quiet geyser]

Even if they revert the .5 stuff, fury warrior still sucks ass

(Raid)

[dim spindle]

This is not da wey

[spare steppe]

Fury didn’t even have much of a role in RWF

[dim spindle]

Prot is a role

[quiet geyser]

We killed a few adds on early bosses

Thats about it

[dim spindle]

So at least they had a sliver of brown

Personally I blame the Arms enjoyers. They took our damage

[obtuse palm]

That's why I expected them to buff cleave or ST

I'll miss clapping

[quiet geyser]

We ALL except it

But blizz is blizz

[echo rapids]

Melee hits being above odyns seems way off

[dim spindle]

I except NOTHING

[echo rapids]

Your parse on that fight will be “we’re your CDs up for every add phase?”

[dim spindle]

Isn't that the majority of raid parses?

[echo rapids]

definitely this season

But imperator is a strong example of that

[last kettle]

Honestly I was that pissed off I logged straigh off so I couldnt tell you

[dim spindle]

Knowing CD timings is right up there with actual uptime

[echo rapids]

I looked at it and I think you must not have been synced up

Top parses have like 3 times as much odyns damage as you

[dim spindle]

btw, about this screenshot - how many total fury parses are included in those stats?

Compared to DH

Is that just the #1 fury parse out of like 3

[echo rapids]

What stat

[dim spindle]

How many other parses is that gold rank warrior actually compared to

[quiet geyser]

About 3

At that time

[dim spindle]

See, an important lesson. Math LIES

You can't trust numbers. They're of the devil

[last kettle]

Right ok, thank you.

[echo rapids]

If you don’t have full cooldowns up for each aoe add phase you are cooked

[weary plume]

are the fury changes for 12.05 going through?

[white portal]

fury warriors have a ton of competition when it comes to parsing

[echo rapids]

Which isn’t actually helpful for killing bosses

[white portal]

anythin gabout 70+ you're rocking

80+ your killin it

90+ godlike

[dim spindle]

gold or bust

[heavy ether]

take the boss damage pill

[echo rapids]

I’m a simple man, purple is a nice color

[white portal]

correcct me if im wrong but doesn't fury warrior have the most competition

for parsing

[dim spindle]

Not sure but doesn't seem likely

But it has a healthy amount I'm sure

[modest condor]

not quite http://puu.sh/KLk2k/61086853a5.png

[dim spindle]

at least in heroic and non top 500 level content

Mages

[echo rapids]

Frost mage comfortably most played spec

[dim spindle]

I take it back. I don't blame Arms for our woes. I blame mages

[lunar swan]

My boss dmg has gone from pump to 💩

So sad

So we goin SLarms for all situations now or

[dim spindle]

Sure, they have time warp. But they wear dresses on the battlefield

[vestal root]

that was or still is rank 1 on crown mythic

[unborn delta]

yea just slam slarms

you will want to practice arms for pallys when you eventually get there

then you will want to gear a ranged class for last 3 bosses

[dim spindle]

Right but I'd wager there's still only a small number of fury parses it's competing with

I'd bet at least several gold

Not saying it would be a whole lot better even if there was 1000 parses, just that context like that is important especially this early(ish)

[lunar swan]

Seeing all the ret and unholy in grps and no no brown when queueing for m+ is sad

[vestal root]

man i queue for grps i barely see rets

idk why

maybe unlucky

[dim spindle]

But the point of the SS still stands. DH good, fury not so good atm. I'm just nitpicking

[lunar swan]

But like, why bring us when we give less damage, hardly any defensives

Give fury bloodlust, only answer

[dim spindle]

Sounds fair to me

[tranquil sentinel]

Why take us when they can take any other spec with lust

not really a route u wanna go

[lunar swan]

Tru

[vestal root]

how about modernize and rework the class

[chilly fractal]

You gotta show em some skin

[vestal root]

no lust needed

[chilly fractal]

Put your leg out

[radiant plank]

we dont do that here

[lunar swan]

I usually just beg

[vestal root]

right my bad

[lunar swan]

“Smarter than a paladin”

[dim spindle]

Knowing blizz they'd give us a filthy lust like how they did our stampeding roar dirty. 10% haste for 15 seconds. Shares CD/debuff with big boy lust.

[vestal root]

"i like janky arms it feels great!"

[lunar swan]

“Please love me”

[tranquil sentinel]

If anything id like our utility to be usefull rather then ok on paper and useless in practice

[lunar swan]

Yeah arms feels like trash to play tbh

[quiet geyser]

Lets not get into the whole lust/utility convo. Let's just focus on the class just doing acceptable damage

[tranquil sentinel]

I was so excited for new intervene

to bad its mid lol

Speak had grip

oh not anymore ok

[lunar swan]

It should be an area that doesnt require a player

[hallow cipher]

fury is dedge next patch

calling it

[lunar swan]

And gives dmg reduction aura

[dim spindle]

I miss intervening straight into my death at least once a week. I guess charge still does the job ok

[quiet geyser]

Its already dedge now

[hallow cipher]

always dedge

[tranquil sentinel]

Super rally does feal nice ngl

atleast in 5 mans

[clever stone]

do we have to spell reflec spreadsheet somewhere for m+ this tier?

[tranquil sentinel]

and i like the idea behind it

[dim spindle]

Rally is pretty tasty

[tranquil sentinel]

but intervene just needs like a little more

its like our roar giving ms

like there so scared of it being good that its just bad

movespeed not mortal strike

[dim spindle]

I want to take the movespeed roar so bad but in practice it's just lame