fury

[honest trail]

I pray for .5 to save Slayer

[tardy lark]

like how tf am i pulling vanguard as arms with lust and im rage starved on pull

icant

[honest trail]

As we go further into this tier an being forced into Thane and I don't like it

[sullen dove]

i mean the further u go into the tier the more u get forced onto arms

and thank god tbh

[honest trail]

No way

[dense elbow]

Well, BS is getting a 20% buff in the o.5, so that will help make it feel a bit less Reap RNG fiesta and more like a build a button

So that is good

Basic rotation removes Rend upkeep, that is also a win

And you are more free to ramp spam in reck

I see those as wins

[tardy lark]

arms
best of the worst

[sullen dove]

fr

pwns dragons and paladins

better on alleria

supposedly better on beloren

but sample size of like 2 probably

[tardy lark]

wolsku didnt even play beloren

[sullen dove]

eroka did i thikn

[tardy lark]

yes, but you'd basically rather play any other melee

[sullen dove]

ya ofc

only talkin bout vs fury..

if ur playin dps warrior late raid which kekw

[tardy lark]

oh, ya, arms def better

[sullen dove]

but arms prolly clearing fury

and p3 lura

double dmg amp

in exe

ja clappa

[dense elbow]

But but, BS Fury burst strong

[sullen dove]

cluegi

[radiant plank]

I like how ppl hyped this to be an aoe raid

but last 3 are mostly St

XD

[sullen dove]

and any aoe that once existed is now gone

literally pallies and dragons only

[radiant plank]

Yeah devourers just collapsing star

[sullen dove]

p soon ur just gonna skip the fattest salhadaar sets

[radiant plank]

and my pad is gone

[sullen dove]

so that wont matter

[dense elbow]

We back to ask ppl to go full ST, so only you can pad, nice

Just how I want it

[sullen dove]

critcake motion

[tardy lark]

we are getting "incidental" aoe removed, meanwhile devo dh is straight up "incidental" aoe, the spec

[dull mirage]

What's the change that has everyone dooming to arms right now? Is it just arms buffs or are we getting hit by the shitstick?

[tardy lark]

dps warrior is dog

[sullen dove]

arms just objectively better for the late bosses in the raid right now

[tardy lark]

arms is the least dog dps warrior spec

[summer quail]

Fury
Storm Surge causes Avatar to increase the damage of Thunder Clap by 10% (was 50%) and reduce its cooldown by 25% (was 50%).

[sullen dove]

but coming up fury aoe gonna get hit hard

[summer quail]

this

[sullen dove]

and arms aoe just gonna go up lol

more tuning surely

cluegi

[dull mirage]

The fuck, that's silly

[sullen dove]

copege

[tardy lark]

can always hope the dk guy takes pity on us at some point

[summer quail]

yep. it's so goddamn dumb, the cdr nerf is fine. the damage nerf is the actual "what the fuck are you doing blizzard"

[dense elbow]

There is no way there wont be

Also might get that OF baseline buff that is on the backburner

[tardy lark]

whoops, 40% nerf to tclap damage, better revert it and then buff

[sullen dove]

if anything gets buffed doubt its odyns

does its job of quick easy pad on raid

[tardy lark]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[sullen dove]

tier already buffs byl ike 50%

[dull mirage]

10% damage increase, lmao. I mean, even reading that is just 'why bother?'. Are they just AI genning those changes at this point?

[dense elbow]

Only reason OF didnt get buffed, is the tier

Yet, as AoE weakens OF can get bumped

I believe, they will finally fix OF being weak baseline

[sullen dove]

i mean even if of gets buffed by double like nothing changes

st still dogshit

aoe marginally better

not as good as arms tho

[dense elbow]

I mean, doesnt make your day better, but mine

[sullen dove]

https://tenor.com/view/true-truth-nuke-super-truth-nova-truth-meme-gif-16889273424352737553

[dense elbow]

Win the battles you can, devs

Let the doomers doom

[honest trail]

I need to stop reading this channel, it gives me too much anxiety about my spec

[dull mirage]

I feel personally attacked. My 'main' since bc was warrior (haven't played much apart from bc/wotlk/legion, most other expansions like a 2 months at most). For midnight I took forever to find a class I enjoy, leveled 7 90s to find out. Settled on warrior again, just feels right. And then there's this shitshow. They hate me. Personally. Probably have a picture of me on a dartboard.

[dense elbow]

I feel personally attacked. My 'main' since bc was warrior (haven't played much apart from bc/wotlk/legion, most other expansions like a 2 months at most). For midnight I took forever to find a class I enjoy, leveled 7 90s to find out. Settled on warrior again, just feels right. And then there's this shitshow. They hate me. Personally. Probably have a picture of me on a dartboard.

[sullen dove]

true

[dull mirage]

They're streaming my gameplay, I know it. "Dude that guy is playing again, tune in and nerf the drops". And then they have a good old laugh and share popcorn. 100%.

[sullen dove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1311936702352330825/1491059955485380679/trim.363895D5-E5E0-444C-A085-F0C1AE90FCD2.gif

[dense elbow]

What is more likely, that take. Or that devs simply dont do even napkin math before they change things?

It got to be them watching the stream, ye?

[dull mirage]

My take, of course. It's digital gangstalking.

[tardy lark]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1181574946321870999/1487025108445954098/max-huh.gif

every race has such good memes

[undone flower]

It’s only when patch note you need to not look here, it’s usual funky OF talk

[sullen dove]

thd on gallywix

[tardy lark]

thd is a godsend

[undone flower]

This cannot be

[tardy lark]

gingi gifs are goated too

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/766349238941777931/1408953657579405372/gingifellatio.gif

[sullen dove]

yea he just gets mad at everything

or that

throat goat

[undone flower]

He always do throat emotes idk why

[tardy lark]

he gets memed a ton in the guilds im around in, but idk. I'd be slow to pop health pot/stone at my 14th raid hour as well i think

the mage reroll hes done has been a funny ride

[summer quail]

i still think of gingi as hunter&boomie

[tardy lark]

hes also a large enough streamer that hes unbenchable

[sullen dove]

yea i mean dont think he should get as much shit as he has think the issue is just like ego a bit too high for his britches

yea

like him complaining about pi in undermine or something that hopeful was getting it

when hopeful is just better

[tardy lark]

yeah his crashout on wippy during mdi practice was also not good

i mean gub is just better

but he doesnt bring in 10k viewers so tough shit

the hatewatch going on after the lost though

that was glorious

[sullen dove]

idk if rwf chatters could ever be like "fixed" to be normal again

[tardy lark]

i tune into stream when i got to work day after and the first chatter is just going "is this a rebroadcast? havent they killed it yet?"

[summer quail]

no chance. once a chat becomes like that it stays

[sullen dove]

at least the weird like nationalism ones

i think the wtf is a kilometer for na is kind of funny

but goin further than that lol

[torpid dune]

Is dungeon slice a good way to sim as fury? IDK is it the right place to ask 🙂

[tardy lark]

the glazing he has going on in his chat is also crazy

no wonder his ego is as big as it is

[sullen dove]

yea

ppl like "no matter what anyone says echo wins they killed shortest time since reset!!"

[tardy lark]

INCHES CUPS MILES

im danish wtf am i doing

[sullen dove]

w

[sudden tusk]

you're a pastry?

[sullen dove]

it funny how rend do many damage

[sudden tusk]

demolish 🤮

[unreal onyx]

Is it worth my sanity to play slayer in raid when I have to track rend and apply it manually?

[woven atlas]

Is the slayer buff live already? I can see the 20% proc chance on the talent, but mountain thane isnt nerfed yet, so i am confused

[summer quail]

crit you can take this one. i saw you typing

[tardy lark]

ill be sweet for you

https://tenor.com/view/rawr-minions-gif-19161086

can pastry be salty

it can right

cause i guess im mostly salty

[sudden tusk]

yeah prob

[sullen dove]

nice lil 5pack b4 3rd boss windrunner xd

[dull mirage]

Damn. Better nerf thane fury.

[sullen dove]

yep

[undone flower]

The only boss I played slurry is vorasius so whatever boss

[white nest]

You don't have to do that

[unreal onyx]

But rend good overall no?

[tardy lark]

you have to if you want to play optimally, but pressing RB over Rend rotationally isnt that big of a loss

[white nest]

Only more than one target but in this raid there are only 2 fights with big enemies that you would get value from it.

Any fight like that you should be playing Thane anyway.

Here's the top slayer fury vorasius log:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6pNBwKaP3YqLvbXC?fight=43&type=damage-done&source=110

0 damage from rend

[placid palm]

That's interesting

[white nest]

Button stinks

[agile kestrel]

good weekly chest

[tired bane]

Damn. Nice.

[white nest]

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[dense elbow]

Only part about that burst dam breakdown that annoys me is:

Demolish isnt clear #1

At that point, what is it even good for, other than being an 'efficient' global

"but if also grants you a hurricane jr effect" I spit on that logic

[tardy lark]

but would've been better if he pressed rend 15 times instead of 15 of his 45 raging blows 🤷‍♀️

[royal berry]

Quick question for people who also play other classes/alts: Are they also so rotation reliant as fury warriors?

[twin glacier]

would u guys take puzzle box?
Ive hunger mythic, gaze heroic.
Playin alot of m+

[red berry]

the children yearn for gaze of the alnseer on mythic

[tardy lark]

every class is rotation reliant

can you specify what you mean

[valid pulsar]

jo guys should i check these 3 settings for sims in m+ and raid with the void trinket or is this just open world ?

[royal berry]

Yeah for sure. Some days ago I asked in log review about feedback and got some really good

After doing another raid and so on I checked my stuff again with wowanalyzer and it felt like you really cant have some milliseconds between GCDs, no mistake is forgive as fury war for only like what, decent parses? According to what I can read on the web playing warrior feels less rewarding than most other classes.

[spare steppe]

What order are yall killing the 3 adds for crown?

[dull mirage]

They are global, but you need to have those points allocated in the voidstorm thing

[heavy galleon]

If you don't do raid, it's good trinket

[valid pulsar]

alright

[junior furnace]

Am I the only one, or are the rampages going nowhere?

[valid pulsar]

because the tooltip says "in voidstorm" so i assumed its not active in raid or at least not in the 2 raids outside of voidstorm m#

"whilte fighting enemies within voidstorm" it says

[dusky dawn]

Light's hope or Recklessness?

[red flax]

welcome to blizzard tooltips

[hollow leaf]

#updates-midnight message

[dusky dawn]

Thanks

[hollow leaf]

np

[unreal onyx]

Whats the easiest an "most decent" tank to get into rn?

No high keys, just fun gameplay that doesnt need 20 buttons to survive one mechanic

[heavy dock]

warrior

:D

[valid pulsar]

warrior tank is insane and paladin

[hollow leaf]

monk

they took away all of your defensives

you just stagger now

[heavy dock]

wouldnt call monk easiest

[hollow leaf]

fair

yeah warr ig

just keep shield block up and that's it

[heavy dock]

bear is pretty easy too

[blissful hound]

Doesnt need to be clear #1 imo but it should defo be more than just 10-15%

.5 will do that though

[remote notch]

Hey everyone, I'm feeling a bit bad, I'm having the worst parse for my ilvl.
I don't really get the priority, different site gives differents informations for Slayer (raid)
Raging blow (or crushing blow) is lower priority and Rampage is supposed to be used over 100 rage but still have a higher priority tthan crushing blow.
So, at minimum cost of rampage, I should use crushing blow or rampage ?
(if Bloodbath is in cooldown)

[hollow leaf]

rampage

[remote notch]

so you only use crushing blow if you have no option left and don't wait to get 100 rage to use rampage

[hollow leaf]

you use crushing blow if there's nothing else to press

[remote notch]

I don't get the first rampage 😅

prio 1 and 5

[warm crag]

Rampage if you will overcap

[remote notch]

oh ok

[warm crag]

5 is just rampage if you can over exe or cb

[remote notch]

exec is low prio during cooldowns, even at exec phase ?

wowanalyzer tells me I should "always" exec over a lot of thing

[radiant plank]

@winter shoal is this true

[remote notch]

This is their prio

[hollow leaf]

that matches what's on wowhead

[remote notch]

Ok ok.. thank you

[unreal onyx]

How is recklessness a CD that counts "outside cooldowns"

[hollow leaf]

well if you're outside cooldowns

you want to go into cooldowns

[unreal onyx]

By that logic top prio outside cooldowns would be "use cooldowns"

[hollow leaf]

which it is

[unreal onyx]

Why is avatar not there then

[oblique trail]

you must meow 5 times per second during your rotation

get it right

[unreal onyx]

Or bladestorm for that matter

[hollow leaf]

ask archi

[unreal onyx]

I find the reck on top prio outside combat somewhat not understandable

Since thats like a main CD

Arguably OF too, but not as big

[grand vale]

Avatar is not there because you don't pick avatar in slayer st

and bladestorm is to be used during cooldowns, not outside of them

getting the 4pc bonus will only emphasize odyn's fury being top priority in any case more right?

like if it's ready always use

[torn oriole]

Guys, what's the real percentage damage difference between Slayer and Mountain Thane? I really want to play Slayer focused on Mythic+, I'm not a 0.1% player but I want at least a 3200 rating and impress my friends with big numbers.

[drifting token]

It'll vary from dungeon to dungeon but something around 15% is the last I heard from here

[undone flower]

You can sim your character talents

[torn oriole]

lol 15% is huge

[paper ocean]

puzzlebox, right?

[fading sky]

Heln

Fuck puzzle

[native wadi]

Helm

Fuck puzzle

Only good for padding

[short sand]

Hey guys, I am currenlty 3.4 m+ score, and feel I am a bit behind on dmg in +17 keys

Anyone have some tips they can share?

[radiant sentinel]

cleave more

[paper ocean]

already have helmet. forgot to say xD

[short sand]

@radiant sentinel Thanks, didnt think about that :X

[radiant sentinel]

have any logs? #1347646810457636974 has given me some really good feedback in the past

without them, kinda hard to say.

[short sand]

Have a lot of logs

[bronze merlin]

Drop a sword

[short sand]

Can I just sahre logs there and get some feedback?

[radiant plank]

yeah

[short sand]

Arms is much better?

[unborn delta]

Take puzzle go slarms

[dense elbow]

If you aint #1, you lost. Not #1 = pointless, worthless, deleted

[short sand]

Is arms performing better then mountain thane in high keys?

[dense elbow]

They are still basically the same, top dog is Fury atm, followed by prot, then arms, all at the same level of play

Note, that Arms is up there with a lot more popularity, yet Fury is top dog thanks to die-hard players.

So one could argue that Arms is the better spec, but not to a degree where it will noticably handicap a player.

[short sand]

Understood, do you know if there is any top player that is running coaching sessions?

[blissful hound]

skill >>>>>> spec as usual

[dense elbow]

I know there are, but the way to get that is pretty exclusive. My best advice for top dog coaching is going through the pipelines, if you don't have word of mouth on your side

[short sand]

What pipelines?

[radiant plank]

???

Its like polar opposite of this statement LMAO

[dense elbow]

???

[drifting token]

Yeah was gonna say pretty sure fury has not been "top dog" anymore since the last round of arms buffs.

Arms is THE m+ spec

[short sand]

What dmg difference are you seeing?

5-10%?

[dense elbow]

Yuki is top last time I checked today

[radiant plank]

18k parses for Fury vs 1.9k for Arms

"arms is more popular"

[dense elbow]

top end, should be, no?

[radiant plank]

and then in keys

700k keys logged fury vs 150k arms

[dense elbow]

That is the overall bracket or 15+ or stuff?

[radiant plank]

95th%

[dense elbow]

Seems like I stand corrected then, guess I got bamboozled by arms stats

[radiant plank]

More like arms is showing up good cuz only its dedicated playrs keep plaaying it

[dense elbow]

I mean, both arms and fury is showing up good

that being the core point

[drifting token]

Last week vs this week

[radiant plank]

Arms has the 5th least logs in all logged keys this seazon

dmg wise sure but

not playerbase wise

[dense elbow]

You hyperfocused on number of logs, not potential, in a question of potential

Checking updated numbers, I am sad to say, Fury no longer is top dog. Ace took over Yuki. Prot is now current king for the hour

I am just happy to see Arms, Prot and Fury all up there. Basically as swapping 1 to 3 top positions for warrior

means we are in a really good spot

[short sand]

We arent though

I am getting outdpsed in every key I do...

[dense elbow]

We arent what?

Oh, reread what I wrote

your warrior brain is showing

[vestal root]

issue with warrior atm is you gotta funnel or tryhard giga hard to even compete with some classes

[dense elbow]

Warrior dont funnel, so dont worry about that

and I just chill in my keys, and top meters

[short sand]

+17 key vs hunter and uh dk

[dense elbow]

[vestal root]

like come on, this is rank 1 on crown

[short sand]

SOT

[dense elbow]

Well, fair, ya gonna get shrekt

[short sand]

I am doing 15% less dmg

Dont understand if its me or the class

[dense elbow]

But - this is when you do the copium jutsu move

AP buff = your dam

[drifting token]

Could be both you and the class

[short sand]

Thats what I am trying to find out

[dense elbow]

This makes me smile every time

[short sand]

But 0 resources to do so

[undone flower]

I did triumvirate 17 and ended second dps

[vestal root]

better than 3rd

[dense elbow]

Take logs to #1347646810457636974, vods also help. Then you will get help

Just remember to save yourself some time: Make sure your core rotation is on point first

[radiant sentinel]

you're over complicating a very simple solution. Post logs. Or do some log comparison against other top logs for the same keys.

[dense elbow]

SR last boss MORE

fool

[undone flower]

Third was just a bad player

[dense elbow]

wait

[vestal root]

thats me

[dense elbow]

last?

2nd to last

:>

[undone flower]

You mean SR the beams ? It reflects ?

[dense elbow]

Nah na

2nd to last boss

I did try to correct myself in time

:c

[undone flower]

Dude with orbs and tentacles ?

[jagged silo]

mass void infusion yeah?

[dense elbow]

Ye

SR his bolts

giga dam

[undone flower]

What can you reflect ?

[lean nacelle]

I did see something about reflecting for last boss in seat

[dense elbow]

Taunt SR gameplay

[livid arch]

Aren’t his bolts only on tank?

[undone flower]

Oh you want me to taunt reflect

[livid arch]

Or lmao

[dense elbow]

Yep

[livid arch]

That’s RISKY

[dense elbow]

does a billion dam, trust

[livid arch]

lol

[dense elbow]

worth

boss doesnt auto between 1st bolt and 2nd, always safe

[stable leaf]

Did anything recently happen to fury? I logged on last night and I felt like it was taking longer to kill things

[undone flower]

I did 160k overall without that I’m fine

[dense elbow]

Reflects would push you to 180k

get that game on

[jagged silo]

arms would get you to 200

js

[livid arch]

lmao

[dense elbow]

Arms would die to being arms

:(

[jagged silo]

dbts

[undone flower]

Massive doubt bc arms have a def cd

[dense elbow]

There is a ton of great reflects atm tho, I am happy

[jagged silo]

remember when sr was a pvp talent

[dense elbow]

SR was PvP only? Oh, that gotta be long ago

when was that?

[jagged silo]

shadowlands iirc

could be making shit up

[undone flower]

Im still rolling with no ER in 16s-17s

[dense elbow]

Nah, no way, right?

[drifting token]

what the heck is a pvp

[dense elbow]

I could swear I played with SR since forever

decades of warrior makes it all just a blurr tho

[cobalt relic]

@dense elbow hey baby

[undone flower]

Shadowlands was the group SR leggo

[jagged silo]

ok no

bfa it was pvp talent

[dense elbow]

https://giphy.com/gifs/cat-kitten-gzae-xinkUUmE1ww5mbOd8E

[stoic galleon]

am i blind or can i not track executioners wrath with the cooldown manager?

[remote bobcat]

whats the current warr patch? Is it already reap rampage and thane nerf patch?

havent been playing warr last 2 days

[drifting token]

Not yet

[undone flower]

Maybe in 2 weeks

[dense elbow]

that is asked every 30min, eh

[vestal root]

my turn tmw

[dense elbow]

I for one, am actually looking foward to the 12.0.5, with Ramp Reaps and SD reaps, no Rend, life sounds better

BS buff, no more Reap RNG for AoE dam window

Ye, life is good

[vestal root]

ssshhhh

dont say that

[dense elbow]

[vestal root]

blizzard is listening

[drifting token]

As long as some kind of st buff also comes to compensate, sure

[dense elbow]

There are rumors, but it is not set in stone, yet if it shows up - I can promise you will be happy

[undone flower]

Yeah I’m fine with the changes

[vestal root]

yep they are buffing protections dmg

correct

[drifting token]

pls

[dense elbow]

https://giphy.com/gifs/cat-clone-cloned-9S706ievhjXVfG9s9Q

[fading sky]

I guess 100% aa dmg

For fury and arms

[vestal root]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cat-sunakook-tired-exhausted-gif-24687868

[dense elbow]

I take that

[fickle cedar]

we need more singletarget damage

[dense elbow]

100% AA dam, will make RB build path so insanely much better

[fading sky]

Ikr

[vestal root]

warriors are just used to bare minimum like 1% aa dmg celebration

[fading sky]

Arms needs 100%

Fury gets 40%

[undone flower]

Delete aa

[dense elbow]

Arms should have AAs do 80% of their profile on ST, being their actual swing of the weapon

[fading sky]

More aa

[vestal root]

make it so you have to press LMB like a rhythm game to time your AAs for actual dam

[dense elbow]

Hold up

cooking

[drifting token]

Arms should get skyfury effect baseline

[vestal root]

real

[dense elbow]

"perfect" "perfect" "perfect"

100 log

[vestal root]

like playing Lost Ark raids

[fickle cedar]

there's a fellowship character that is like that, taric i think

[vestal root]

yeah

[drifting token]

i'd like to see these supposed rumors if they're readable somewhere. I promise to take with a grain of salt etc etc

[white portal]

Does critcake do one on one coaching by chance?

[vestal root]

dont think so

maybe if you pay him tons? lmao

[warm crag]

he did one on one coaching on me can not recommend

he just screams at you to press more buttons

[vestal root]

did he flame you hard

[white portal]

LOL

[warm crag]

he became red

[drifting token]

I dont see the issue

[stoic galleon]

can someone explain the reap increase on PTR, the talent says that bloodthirst has 20% chance to trigger already?

[white portal]

in my happy gilmore voice "but my fingers hurt."

[warm crag]

@mossy fox confirm

[dense elbow]

on PTR numbers different, it was 15% or whatever it was, upped to 20% or whatever it sits on atm

Ignore PTR posts if you dont actually do PTR testing

they will go back and forth, up and down, turn around

doesnt matter at all

[warm crag]

bt won't even proc reap anymore or

[dense elbow]

Reap was moved to Ramp and SD

[drifting token]

And only if hitting 3+ targets

[dense elbow]

10/10 changes for Slayer, so far

[drifting token]

Wait I thought it was ramp and ww, not SD

[cobalt relic]

wtf..

[dense elbow]

What ya get for being washed up

[cobalt relic]

not washed up..

on my chess arc only..

[dense elbow]

Prove it

hah

[cobalt relic]

NO

[dense elbow]

Chess arc, well, I hope you meet Magnus in person and win

[cobalt relic]

im 250elo

surely

[dense elbow]

ez clap, and then you try to not be sheit warrior, surely

[cobalt relic]

[dense elbow]

[cobalt relic]

@dense elbow why mean

[dense elbow]

Sheit, I forgot

I am going into old toxic habbits

I mean:

Good job, you got this!

[cobalt relic]

ye behave noob

[brittle stone]

On Chimaerus HM can we go on both phase to pads on more adds ? Or does it kill us ?

[dense elbow]

I am sorry, I will do better

[cobalt relic]

it's ok

don't ever slip up again

[dense elbow]

I wont, if I do, Jakey will ban me

[cobalt relic]

He better do

[dense elbow]

Just @ him if I do, trust

[fading sky]

U dead

[dense elbow]

Try to, what doesnt kill you makes you stronger

[fading sky]

Also hm?

[dense elbow]

Hardmode

[fading sky]

Hardmode?

That is deffo hardmode tactic

[white nest]

On heroic I think you can do whatever you want

[dense elbow]

Reminds me, I got to do that stupid boss for trinky chance

[fading sky]

My guild has seen

1

So far

On splits

[dense elbow]

I seen 2 a raid, each week

[fading sky]

• on our mythic kill

1 on hc

[dense elbow]

You guys making sure to top the raid with 30?

[fading sky]

After doin normal and hc split until this week

Yes

[dense elbow]

Insane unlucky

[fading sky]

Yeye

Wednesday

Imma pull it from vault

So allg ood

[brittle stone]

You sure ? It won't insta kill me?

[dense elbow]

Yeye

you safe

trust

[brittle stone]

Ok so I guess it will kill me or the raid

[mossy fox]

yes

[blissful marten]

is the wowhead bis gear for fury the best to go for?

[dense elbow]

If they did their total sim chains correctly, then in theory: to minmax sim dam, yes

[white nest]

70% sure

[dense elbow]

https://giphy.com/gifs/from-tarantino-drago-3ZDt0NI6vC0mI

[supple glen]

is it time to arms?

[dense elbow]

Never is time to go arms

[blissful marten]

bring shadowlands arms back plz

[white nest]

If you're just going for heroic. Otherwise it's impossible unless you have 9/9 mythic on farm

[supple glen]

i havent tried yet, maybe its fun

[dense elbow]

it aint

[supple glen]

is it more or less fun than unholy dk

which i have tried

[dense elbow]

yes

[white nest]

For prog you have to get creative. Just do whatever will get you to big mastery and haste + a bit of crit.

[dense elbow]

[supple glen]

[dense elbow]

I sim 66k now btw

[lament lagoon]

server reset?

[supple glen]

leave dmg for others

[lament lagoon]

wa da hek

[supple glen]

ah fury hotfix is going live

[short sand]

Dropped for me in a mythic pug week 1

I rolled 1 😅

[lament lagoon]

1 hour maint

warrior buffs only explanation

[warm crag]

if you have everything at mythic ilvl assembled its probably the best gearset you can assemble

it requires you to have everything at myth ilvl at the same time so you shouldnt use it as a gearing guide

[fading sky]

Exept 4 4p

And trinkies

[warm crag]

i mean even these are malleable

bis will have voidclaw gauntlets but if you get early myth set gloves you should use those instead

[fading sky]

But u shouldnt get em?

[foggy folio]

Is the Thane build better in raid then the slayer build atm? I feel like im greifing playing the slayer build atm. It could just be that Thane feels better.

[fading sky]

Just thane then

Its little difference

Even on vora

[wind ether]

yup don’t apply to my key without it bud

[fading sky]

And 4k score

[blissful marten]

thank you all for the info. Last question, how much dps you all pulling in march of Q raid on heroic?

[earnest tiger]

feel better play better

[fading sky]

Ye its not arms

Where collosus is unplayable

[wind ether]

slayer felt ballz to me ever since rip onslaught

[fading sky]

Or bis in 1 figts

[wind ether]

thane is goated

[fading sky]

Slayer 2 me is shit

[turbid bay]

has anyone tried slarms on vanguard?

[fading sky]

Coz we dont go rb route

[fading sky]

No point

[turbid bay]

its probs not that bad yeh?

[wind ether]

i think you probably could go rb

on slayer

[turbid bay]

but yeh colossus would beat it out

[wind ether]

i would

[fading sky]

Col arms is made for 3t

[fading sky]

Its worse

In 12.05 u might though

If they buff aa or rb

[wind ether]

mmmmm don’t think it’s worse

maybe it is

[foggy folio]

Amen brother, you right

[wind ether]

it probably is

but also don’t think anybody knows

[fading sky]

M8

U are jokin r?

Like

Sims are out

[wind ether]

what are we talking m+

[fading sky]

Archie spongie

[wind ether]

yeah but sims aren’t perfect

[quiet geyser]

With reap no longer being attached to bt in .5, I think most definitely RB build would be better for slayer. It won't be good.. but 🤷‍♂️

[wind ether]

you don’t have 100% uptime

[fading sky]

Every1 has talked

[wind ether]

on everything

yeah

[fading sky]

• the aa nerf we took with rb.nerf

Hurt that side biggie times

[turbid bay]

bt back in the bin

[fading sky]

Not rly

Its tuned higher than rb

🥰

[quiet geyser]

Fury back in the bin****

[wind ether]

only reason i’m not slayer is because thane is so damn fluid and i don’t have to hamstring anymore

we get onslaught back

and slayer is GOOD

give it back blizz

[turbid bay]

man the warrior changes in .5 just suck no?

not sure why they are nerfing

itt

[compact knot]

colossus changes are good

but

everything else kinda sucks

[wind ether]

if they suck on week 1 they get giga buffed week 2 because they overcorrect

still stonks

[turbid bay]

i mean sure its just colossus tho

[compact knot]

im sure they change more so

[turbid bay]

everything else is turbo bin

[fading sky]

Reap changes

All good

All changes are good

But we havent been compensated

For st loss

Is all

[quiet geyser]

Yes, not being able to proc reap in st soo good

[fading sky]

Yes?

[wind ether]

you can proc it in bladestorm no?

[fading sky]

It makes it defined

[wind ether]

it throws out bloodthirsts

[fading sky]

12.05 reap isnt st

Bt doesnt reap

[wind ether]

oh wild

[turbid bay]

yeah so unhinged sucks

[fading sky]

Nah

[quiet geyser]

Do you see compensation buffs yet? I dont. Therefore as of now, not good. Dog shit change

[fading sky]

M8

[wind ether]

i don’t play pve but i’m never that worried about tuning i feel like i could have fun playing daggers

[fading sky]

If u ever think about changes only from tuning

[wind ether]

doesn’t matter

[drifting token]

Hes saying the change is good design-wise, not numerically output wise

[fading sky]

U will never be happy

[unborn delta]

🔮 🔮

[fading sky]

When warrior gets a good change comes with nerf

[turbid bay]

i mean sure the clappa stuff on thane was degen but

idk

[wind ether]

clap was busted

[fading sky]

Clappa cd change good

[wind ether]

it was doing too much

[quiet geyser]

That was actually a good change

[fading sky]

But then clap should do more dmg per clapp!!!

[unborn delta]

Magical orb says they are going to change our damage profile so much that we become not shit enough to bring to march on queldanas

[fading sky]

Less claps but bigger claps

[turbid bay]

it is but compensation, tune it plz blizz

[quiet geyser]

No, just put the dmg in TB instead

TB SHOULD feel gigga good to press

[fading sky]

Nah bigger clap!!

[unborn delta]

Remove clap replace with tb

[wind ether]

yeah let me aoe slow the entire room

[unborn delta]

Button always glows

[fading sky]

Lol

M8 for us to get into raid

[turbid bay]

perma tb in avatar we clapping

[lavish sierra]

is march rough for wrariors

[fading sky]

We need to be tuned at dk lvls

Which is like 15-20% st buff

And even rhen we suck

[unborn delta]

they will add cat avatar

[turbid bay]

i mean march is pretty garbo for us i cant speak for lura but prettty surre we suck on that fight as well

[unborn delta]

second avatar that stacks with avatar but it makes you a cat

[wind ether]

they should just give us a third two hander soot

slot

[fading sky]

Tbh fury needs more dmg

[wind ether]

i am PUKPING

right now

[fading sky]

It id actually pretty goos profile wise

[wind ether]

but maybe it sucks in pve

[quiet geyser]

Thats the thing, i genuinely think most people dont know how bad fury actually sucks right now (speaking from raid perspective). + .5 nerf/changes.. furys gonna need MASSSIVE buffs to be relevant

[hot girder]

damage is ok, problem is target cap. my opinion

[dense elbow]

Holey, Aln trinky sold for 1.5million gold on HC

[turbid bay]

yeah thats right fury is going to feel so bad after the changes

why would you take us on beloren

[wind ether]

battle shout then kicked

just roll prot

ez

[modest wave]

guild using prot war now and Im fighting for my mfing life

[wind ether]

i’m always a pvp guy but whenever i do m+ i go prot

ya the magic dmg

it’s nuts

[fading sky]

We are bad now

[turbid bay]

dont ever look at furys damage profile on the egg

[wind ether]

we don’t have the magic dmg reduction

[fading sky]

I parsed a 95% on vora mythic

[wind ether]

you need well timed reflects

[fading sky]

Dont break 100k

Warrior only chance

[turbid bay]

thats competing with other classes 70-80 percentile

on vora

[fading sky]

Was collosus having insane st

Coz it has burst potential

Just tuned like shit

[ruby scaffold]

sigh.

[lavish sierra]

it's werid because the warcraftlogs rankings over the range of a week for all bosses have fury middle of the pack and arms abovce ww monks

elemental shaman surprisingly last

[quiet geyser]

You realize fury dropped 13 ranks in 24 hours right

[turbid bay]

i mean those classes make up for it by filling those niche spots in fights

[quiet geyser]

And if you really wanna puke, switch to boss damage

[turbid bay]

where the st does matter

[tardy lark]

ele sham is the best shaman spec and their raid buff is non negotiable

ele shaman 2-3 target cleave is like a 15k dps increase lol

[turbid bay]

ww and ele shaman both has the best st burst profiles

[lavish sierra]

gross, 2nd to last

[tardy lark]

as our resident shaman put it "if there are 3 targets, you just pick your favorite one and ST that"

[fading sky]

And arms propped up by 1 boss

And massive pad outside

Allowed pad where raid lets em

[turbid bay]

i feel like that is classic arms at this point

[dense elbow]

Our shaman just screams curses at the tank for not getting more targets

[turbid bay]

was the same last tierr

[wind ether]

that’s because the patchwork dummy sims don’t really sim all the imperfect gcds, forced downtime from pathing, general dead zones, and team comp / buffs

but at the end of the day if something isn’t being played at r1 level then it shouldn’t be a concern to you at all since that is an entirely different game and even if you are a weaker pick it won’t stop you from doing your 13s

[turbid bay]

it was padding

[fading sky]

M8 it does

Fineøy

[quiet geyser]

And only reason arcane is lower is cuz no1 plays it lmao

[fading sky]

We sim 84k

As arms

I sim 90k as fuey

It perfectly sums up my dmg

[wind ether]

what’s the difference

fury benefits from haste massively

[fading sky]

My dk st 12 ilvls below sims 100k

[wind ether]

i mean mastery

arms from haste

[fading sky]

Nah arms just suck

Its tuning

[turbid bay]

the balancing is just fucked atm

have a look at the rankings

[wind ether]

in pvp arms is great

fury great too

but yea

[lavish sierra]

is it the balancing or just shitty raid

[fading sky]

St balance is madly bad

[ruby scaffold]

No servers and am logged off in an AOE build, but that's simming at 87k for me right now

[wind ether]

sounds miserable over there

[fading sky]

Yeye

[lavish sierra]

m+ it feels kinda nice but

[quiet geyser]

Both

[fading sky]

Always sim "aoe" as its same

[turbid bay]

gokke is right you go compare classes ST at the moment it is a wide swing

[oblique thistle]

The ST disparity between top and bottom is absolutely huge this tier

[tardy lark]

balance in general is in a horrible place and raid is very unfriendly to melee

[fading sky]

Yup

Aoe tuning actually seems betyer

Than st

🤣

Thats mad

[turbid bay]

not false

[oblique thistle]

Which is new honestly

[fading sky]

Then theres dh and mm ofc

[oblique thistle]

Its usually the other way around

[drifting token]

Good thing there's barely any ST content at all this entire expac then huh

[turbid bay]

mm damage on some fights is illegal

[compact knot]

try playing shadow in dungeons rn

[tardy lark]

why the fuck they thought vanguard should have a 200k random hit on melee on that fight on top of everything else is a wonder to me

[compact knot]

that shit is not fun

[fading sky]

Thing is

[lavish sierra]

@quiet geyser when you say rankings, you mean like as far as all stars (dps)?

[fading sky]

Nothing is worse tjan m+ and do 40k st dmg

Arms col

[lavish sierra]

last boss of academy is a slog

[turbid bay]

st will always matter because at the end of the day that is what kills the boss

[oblique thistle]

Arms col ST fighting brewmaster on bosses

[fading sky]

Yup

[ruby scaffold]

I did the "burn the egg" strat on Belo this weekend and I could barely break 130k during the burn, meanwhile the MM was doing 215k, felt bad lol

[modest wave]

ye, arms slayer feels better for sure

[oblique thistle]

Absolutely criminal

[quiet geyser]

Tuning around AoE is dumb as shit though. Any1 who thought fury was a good raid spec the first 2 weeks cuz it could blow up small adds but do tank boss damage needs a reality check

[wind ether]

even if we are nerfed to fuck it’s still gonna not be that big of a deal unless you’re like an actual gamer but you wouldn’t have to deal with PUGs

[turbid bay]

fuck that shit man it feels so bad

[oblique thistle]

But you do more damage than God in aoe

[wind ether]

basically

[compact knot]

our damage is super rng on that boss its dumb

[wind ether]

if you’re at a level where your team is your push team

it matters

if you put

you’ll be ok

pug

[compact knot]

i did like 200k on the egg in my first kill then 140k my 2nd kill

because i got like 4 more executes

[fading sky]

Just reap more

[ruby scaffold]

not enough time <=35% health too to get any extra dmg on BT too

[lavish sierra]

arms slayer feels like compromise from both a st and aoe damage perspective and from a class design perspective

"here have weird bleeds sometime who cares"

[ruby scaffold]

I miss TWW S3 Slayer so much already lol

[fading sky]

Arms slayer is a random luc

[wind ether]

me too bro

[fading sky]

I dont miss all the rb reaps

But i do miss being tuned

At top st

[compact knot]

RB reap is less rng then what slayer arms is rn

[fading sky]

Even flat st

[lavish sierra]

rb reap felt like pure chaos and it was actually kinda nice

[modest wave]

dont care about being top, just in a competitive spot

[fading sky]

Season 3 tuning fury would be top on vora

[wind ether]

https://youtu.be/zxu4SgpSPtM?si=zN4xjXBoVnJBGQZB

i made my own custom pvp apl for simc and it mogged raidbots by almost x2 my sim

tww s3 was goated

[oblique thistle]

Thats definitely arms in m+ just dont look at the majority of fights in the raid

[ruby scaffold]

I do know the Sudden Death reaps feels incredible and really hope that they don't do that reap change in .5

[fading sky]

I do

It will feel better

Ramp reap is goates

[dense elbow]

SD got fixed so it reaps on AoE, dont worry

[compact knot]

im confused by this

the sim doesnt do pvp ilvl sims lmao

id hope you do more damage in game on a pvp dummy

[wind ether]

yes, it doesn’t

[ruby scaffold]

Oh, they updated the .5 changes again? I've only seen the first notes I think

[compact knot]

ic

[wind ether]

that’s why i added scale_to_itemlevel=

my sim is against my pvp i’ll

[dense elbow]

PvP ilvl = doesnt matter, PvP ability scaling tho, giga

[wind ether]

ilvl

[wind ether]

most of its nerfs actually

only ihhh

[oblique thistle]

This is going to be cool, might make me come back to fury

[wind ether]

exectute

[lavish sierra]

pvp abilities hit different though

[wind ether]

def stance

[oblique thistle]

But I am enjoying arms way too much rn

[wind ether]

wrecking throw

[fading sky]

Yeye im happy, just scared we will have arms lvls of s then

[compact knot]

oh i see

[fading sky]

Oh wait arms also gettin rawdogged

So

[compact knot]

makes sense

[fading sky]

We will do tank dmg

[oblique thistle]

Yes arms slayer is deadge in keys

[fading sky]

Once again ❤️

[oblique thistle]

Colo all the way

[compact knot]

colo arms wont be bad

[turbid bay]

at least colo will be good in keys

[compact knot]

its getting st increases

[fading sky]

Yeye

[oblique thistle]

I already prefer colo anyways so it works for me

[wind ether]

if it super sucks then it gets buffed next week

we will be aight

[fading sky]

We are not

Dk

Or ret

[turbid bay]

when are the changes coming through btw

[oblique thistle]

.5 patch

[fading sky]

Dk was bad for 12 hours

12 hours was all

[turbid bay]

yeah when is the patch tho

[smoky nacelle]

2-3 weeks for .5

[wind ether]

frost dk was ignored four 4 entire seasons before now broski

[turbid bay]

yeah right

[oblique thistle]

Not far out

[lavish sierra]

blood tanking is boring as hell

[vague pivot]

Guys, resto druid took Eternal Voidsong Chain is it a gg

[fading sky]

Nah

Fdk was pretty good

[compact knot]

its better for him anyways

[wind ether]

oh maybe in pve yea

in pvp it was dead

[fading sky]

M8

Go in pvp channeø

[modest wave]

brother we are talking pve

[fading sky]

This is pve

[wind ether]

i dont do pve im learning

[oblique thistle]

FDK got reworked coming out of a season where it was performing extremely well in M+

[lavish sierra]

it's hard to find a class that has everything

[fading sky]

Dk

[lavish sierra]

cept like mage

[fading sky]

Paladin

Druid

[turbid bay]

the class doesnt need to do absolutely everything just have it good at something

[oblique thistle]

Paladins are rhe poster boys of does everything well

[turbid bay]

atm we arentt

it

[compact knot]

mage rn doesnt really have much going for it

frost is good sure but the other 2 specs are

[wind ether]

i just realised blizzards design dillema. they saw ffxiv pvp where tuning got so out of whack u need to learn an entirely different class for pvpz

so they are trying to balance a spec that is dominant in pvp and garbage in pve without actually changing how that feels too much

[turbid bay]

i mean mage still has a good spec

[compact knot]

we kinda do too

its called ARMS

[turbid bay]

ehh

[compact knot]

xdd

[wind ether]

mage pumps bro

prio damage is nuts

[undone flower]

and war was meta last season

[wind ether]

we will be this season tooo

[compact knot]

unfortunately arms is worthless on the last 3 bosses because they are all so ranged favored

wcyd

[modest wave]

entire raid is ranged favored

[compact knot]

nah not really

melee is pretty good until crown

[turbid bay]

vanguard

[compact knot]

then it falls off

[turbid bay]

isnt melee friendly

on mythic

[compact knot]

it wasnt that bad when i killed it

[wind ether]

well here’s some good news guys: when you release something strong and nerf it, your players hate you. when you realise something weak and slowly buff it, they love youx

when you’re trying to find the sweet spot the latter is the path to take and it is how blizzard operates too

[turbid bay]

its a fight where you want to stack range tho

[wind ether]

so for a new patch

that’s the reg

we will be fine

[compact knot]

you stack mm's because its bugged on that fight

augs to buff the mm's

[turbid bay]

wcyd it takes 4-5 spots in the raid

kinda crazy aug is up there with mm on that fight

they just get juiced so hard

[echo rapids]

You stack ranged because why wouldn’t you

[turbid bay]

exactly

[wind ether]

take champions spear and intervene a lot, it’s not bad

[compact knot]

if there was more melee on the boss it would feel less scary as melee

but its ranged stacked cause the ranged dps just do more 3t dps

except for arms

thats like the only melee thats competitive with aug and mm

[turbid bay]

uhh i mean the first page is nothing but aug and mm logs but yeh arms is the next best spec

[compact knot]

the bug makes mms 3t stupid

so its w/e

[turbid bay]

its nuts it hasnt been changed

like in all honesty

really

[echo rapids]

If it was a warrior but it would have been hotfixed

[turbid bay]

yeah cant have bladestorm or odyns fury nuking stuff

[echo rapids]

If they could nerf arms on that fight without totally designing thr class they would

[compact knot]

its actually crazy how much damage it adds

[turbid bay]

but mm being 10-20% ahead of over dps

yeah thats fine

[compact knot]

its pretty much 20% aimedshot damage the whole fight

[wind ether]

https://murlok.io/meta/dps/m+ it doesn’t look too bad

[compact knot]

hydra is marking all 3 targets when it should only be the main target and making aimed shot just do 20% more to the 2 secondary targets

[echo rapids]

Arms and fury are fine in m+

[compact knot]

which also massively reduces aimed shot cd because its consuming more marks

its like that in m+ rn also

[turbid bay]

we get that war is fine in m+ its raid tuning

[unkempt dagger]

i feel like with fury u just hit a ceiling and u cant move past it

i wish they made it so in recklessness u can hit more targets or sum

[wind ether]

are you doing mythics

[unkempt dagger]

without making it broken idk

[lavish sierra]

Actually I definitely feel dumb but like I see people always taking intervene but the real use there is a mystery

[wind ether]

i feel like heroic raids can be done with daggers

[turbid bay]

i am progging mythic yeah

[wind ether]

okay yeah so it actually matters to you

my bad

[turbid bay]

yeh

[lavish sierra]

Do we just use intervene to just scoot around the battlefield more

[compact knot]

yeah

[turbid bay]

pretty much

[compact knot]

i dont bother taking it really

[wind ether]

you can also save your team with it

[turbid bay]

can be handy on higher keys for intervening a dps or healer

but eh

if you see a bolt go off on them

[compact knot]

its worthless in raid

[turbid bay]

yeah its pretty rare you need it in raid and if you do its poor movement planning/cd usage on your part

[undone flower]

only use will be like ansurek, where you need the movement of intervene

[wind ether]

can you still intervene reflect ranged attack cc

[compact knot]

isnt that a pvp thing

[wind ether]

no it’s dead

intervene reflecting is gone

[compact knot]

ic

[wind ether]

curious if there’s any use for it here though

[undone flower]

in raid, no, in dungeons VERY rarely

[compact knot]

idk i literally dont use the button

if you position well and know whats happening you dont need it

can talent into survivability

[undone flower]

and usually intervene tech are prot only bc you don't survive as dps

[coarse nest]

Yeah intervene isn’t worth over second wind or the healing passive

[quiet geyser]

We had the onslaught bug for an entire tier lol

[wind ether]

we live in different planets

intervene is mandatory every game in my world

[undone flower]

i play without intervene or stormbolt

[compact knot]

i mean intervene literally doesnt do anything in pve

except for the niche scenario in m+ where it can save someone

[wind ether]

there’s that new buff it gives from thane

so you can use it all the time

for no reason

and just shield

but yeah

it’s not worth taking

for sure

[undone flower]

the shield is so ridicule

[compact knot]

i wouldnt even use it over the storm bolt one in m+

[turbid bay]

just take the stormbolt one

the shield is a meme

[compact knot]

stunning more targets is better then a 10k hp shield

[wind ether]

yeah the shield is pretty bad

[burnt oxide]

The shield is basically non existent as dps, even as tank its not good

[undone flower]

just play with red talent thane

[wind ether]

i take it because i don’t want 40s bolt

[burnt oxide]

Yeah i see it being bad drawback in pvp

[turbid bay]

that choice talent is so meh

[burnt oxide]

But in pve, a multistop has more value on average

[wind ether]

yeah

another reason i don’t take it is because if you’re with a rogue or something

you’re going to be fucking his drs up completely

i wish blizz would release hero talents that made sense

what’s that one

you gain two charges of thunderblaat after recklessness

but we get it from avatar too

are we meant to stagger those or something

i don’t get it

[compact knot]

does reck give thunderblast

oh its that talent

psure you dont take that talent

[quiet geyser]

Hes just saying that talent doesn't make sense lol

And hes right

[undone flower]

since reck=avatar, you always have 2 TB when you press reck

[compact knot]

idk it isnt wasting charges though

its only 1 charge

it doesnt give 2

but yeah

[undone flower]

the world where we dont macro reck+avatar

[burnt oxide]

In a world in which we desync our cooldowns, maybe it would make sense

[compact knot]

you can kinda minmax it but its hard

you would avatar tblast reck

[quiet geyser]

Simple fix would be to just remove the 2 charge cap

[compact knot]

avatar resets the gcd on tblast for some reason

[grand basalt]

New to warrior. With incoming nerfs to Thunder blast in .5, will we still prefer Thane in m+?

[compact knot]

yes

[grand basalt]

Gotcha

[compact knot]

the alternative hero talent isnt any better

[echo rapids]

It’s also maybe not any worse

[compact knot]

i would recommend going arms if you mean to push any meaningful content though

[echo rapids]

But thane is fine for weekly keys

[turbid bay]

unless we get re-tunned, arms will be the play

[quiet geyser]

Realistically every1s expecting some decent fury changes in the coming weeks. Stay tuned and we'll all find out together!

[turbid bay]

yeah thane is fine for casual 10s

[compact knot]

i am a arms believer right now