fury

[left peak]

Its relative most likely youre either overcapping or mastery or got too little haste

[olive wraith]

20% chance

[daring granite]

guys i think arms might have drank too much koolaid

[edgy widget]

it's per cast, and it's 20% in 12.0.5

even if it was per swing instead of per hit, a 15% chance * 4 is still a 48% proc rate, so roughly every other Rampage will Reap - that's quite a lot
at the actual rate of 20% per, it would be a 59% proc rate

[undone flower]

My imagination of per hit was each hit of rampage so basically 20 for 5 targets

[static rock]

That's per mob, imagine like 3-4 more targets like that

[edgy widget]

no, my example was per swing, so limited to just one target

if it was per swing per target, that would be... dumb lol

[undone flower]

Spin 4 times per rampage

[static rock]

Ik, that's why i said it would be insane

[edgy widget]

but yes, it is just 20% chance per cast, which is pretty comparable to current - if anything it's actually a little bit better since you tend to Rampage more than you Bloodthirst

• you'll also never have to worry about enrage falling off between the cast and the spin
• and you'll always get the extra 3% bump from the Apex
• it concentrates damage a little bit as well, since you tend to cast more Rampage more during Recklessess
• you do lose potential procs during Bladestorm, but Bladestorm is getting a 20% buff, so that part washes out

[static rock]

the only way fury is stupid strong is in the warrior discord

[undone flower]

And you can press rampage back to back to gamba

[static rock]

is there a reason to BT in slayer anymore? like over RB

[edgy widget]

just enrage and raw damage

personally I do think they should have left it on BT for that reason, but it's not bad being on Rampage by any means

[fading sky]

Nah let slayer rb build

[undone flower]

They just want to dissociate more AoE/ st

[fading sky]

Let thane bt build

[edgy widget]

RB would need a big buff, BT still out damages it and has enrage benefits

[fading sky]

Yes rb needs a buff

[static rock]

That's wild honestly

[fading sky]

Could come from slayer tree

[edgy widget]

yeah I've been shooting for a Slayer's Malice buff for both Arms and Fury

+Execute/RB for Fury and Execute/Overpower for Arms would shore up their weaknesses p well

[fading sky]

Its a smart way to differenciate builds

Well it would be forcin a build somewhat

[static rock]

They already are

[edgy widget]

I mean I don't really care if RB overtakes BT

I'm completely fine with Slayer still prioritizing BT

but an RB buff would be nice to help its straggling ST

[fading sky]

But havin 2 hero specs play differently to me is a win

[edgy widget]

I agree, that's just not my main reason for wanting it

[static rock]

considering avatar is for thane and BS is for slayer. the builds are already forced

[undone flower]

Good bye my friend

[fading sky]

Y i also thought bladestorm lock was a fail

[edgy widget]

I think it works out well in practice

even if it's restrictive from a fantasy pov

[fading sky]

It does. But id prefer rav as arms

[edgy widget]

Ravager needs to be removed entirely

[fading sky]

Old rav

[edgy widget]

it's such a pos that just gets in the way

[fading sky]

I mean the fact that it doesnt just appear in avatar or cs

[young swan]

i think slayer would be cool if it swapped to ravager instead of bladestorm

[fading sky]

Is a crime indeed

[young swan]

kinda bored of the bladestorm bit

[undone flower]

My ravager propaganda works

[fading sky]

Nono in arms with unhinged i just wanns empower my ms's

Though realisticly the bladestorm lets me pool rage atm🤣 we need thay

[olive wraith]

Can goated take

[undone flower]

One day ravager will deals significant dmg, and you will see through my eyes

[olive wraith]

Bs belongs to arms

[static rock]

and what?

[young swan]

no i think slayer should just be a ravager thing

no more BS

just ravager

only ravager

[real cape]

It's such an awful ability.

[young swan]

its epic and poggers

the only awful things are tanks

[undone flower]

Since they added the ravager follow tech it’s fine

[radiant plank]

Ravager is awful

delete it

[real cape]

How that

If you mean tanks moving when ravvy follows mobs then you're throwing it at the most meme time imaginable

[young swan]

only bad thing about ravager is that tanks can move shit out of it

[real cape]

Aight man

[young swan]

clearly u have never played with pug tanks

[undone flower]

Bc you don’t feel you dropped ravager in the ground but imagine your orange blades spinning in circle dealing dmg

[real cape]

I like how I can throw my ravager at a druid then tank a clone

[young swan]

okay but imagine a world where slayer is the exact same but you have ravager with unhinged in execute phase

[real cape]

and it doesn't spin him

because it stops doing dmg if I'm in clone

because ravager is just such a trash ability

[radiant plank]

so TWW Season 2

specifically mug'zee

[young swan]

okay but half ur hero talent tree isnt disabled as well

[radiant plank]

Ooohh

That would suck dick

I hate ravager

[young swan]

what do u mean man

that would be so epic

[radiant plank]

Worst spell in the game

to press

[young swan]

most fun ive ever had playing arms

[undone flower]

It’s an animation ick ?

[young swan]

was in tomb of sargeras

[radiant plank]

like why is it on the fucking global

[jagged silo]

rav on arms is goated cant lie

[young swan]

go into execute

drop ravager + BC

[radiant plank]

does fucking piss

[young swan]

watch numbers fucking skyrocket

from 2 stack EPs getting autocasted

• sweep

[radiant plank]

flat 1.5min cd that ONLY buffs your cleaves for the next 8s

??

[young swan]

HOOOOLYYY

[radiant plank]

??

[undone flower]

It would be reduced with slay tree

[radiant plank]

Unhinged dont sweep

[young swan]

yeah but it used to

[radiant plank]

yeah for the entirety of beta

etagg

[young swan]

no for the entirety of legion

[radiant plank]

ooly

[young swan]

well

for tomb

until they fucking shot the tier set

cause arms was just gonna keep using it

had to nerf it to 1/2 ms for ravager and bladestorm

respectively

the ptr version was 4/6 ms

ICANT

fucking disgusting

[radiant plank]

thats how it should be

[young swan]

aint that the truth

[young swan]

u can come flame my gameplay if u want

[radiant plank]

I dont think I need to

YOu already know its flame worthy

[young swan]

wow

[radiant plank]

watching drattyD recap video

[vocal thorn]

omg that would be awesome

[young swan]

THANK U WESLEY WARRIOR

[sudden tusk]

ravager DIE

rend DIE

slam DIE

[fleet sorrel]

@slim coral ?

[waxen vigil]

Did u not kill it vil

Oh him

[fleet sorrel]

yeah we did some birb stuff after

[dapper goblet]

@waxen vigil kill hippo

[waxen vigil]

I like hippo he’s a nice guy

[fleet sorrel]

didnt expect to see you here

desolate place

[sudden tusk]

paladins boring

funny boss for melee

if its not purple on purple

its yellow on yellow

swine visuals

[radiant plank]

I wanna see Madox vs Mythic Crown of the Cosmos P2

[sudden tusk]

paladins just suck becuase the shield idiot runs away

tanks pull to idiot and you still have 4 sets of shields rolling through the hammers

skill issue but too much yellow

like whenever i talk

[eternal tree]

i get the feeling i'm falling back in m+ (doing quite casual +14 to +15 range) at around 120k ish overall at ilvl 271, granted my trinkets are pretty garbage, but are any fury warriors in similar ilvl and key range doing substantially better?

as in do i need to start figuring out what i'm doing wrong or is that about where the class is at?

[radiant plank]

Banger tweet from jet

[radiant plank]

Probably skill issue-ish

[eternal tree]

i figured it's mostly the middling-at-best single target in bosses when they start having around 200% hp really dragging down the overall, big AOE pulls i still blast with the best of them, but i've heard talk of people reporting much higher overall

[radiant plank]

You should be keeping up fairly decently in ST with both hero specs

[eternal tree]

and it feels like there isn't too much to figure out about thane; i'm fairly certain i'm hitting my cooldowns as often as i can, prioritising the correct things in my rotation and always dumping a rampage at 100ish rage

so i'm just wondering if it's not me and if it's the class, but i guess i'll have another look at what i'm doing wrong if the vault would decide to drop me a trinket and that doesnt make a difference

(running maxed out heroic heart of wind and solarflare prism because that's literally all i've been able to get so far)

[smoky vale]

XAN WASHED OR????????

[sudden tusk]

xeos goober keys

[sullen dove]

oh nah who invited erisxx to heal

[sudden tusk]

is your pfp dabi i cant zoom in enough

[edgy widget]

I'd still rather just have Bladestorm

[smoky vale]

i hate unskippable justscen

[radiant plank]

One change away from a good feeling arms bladestorm

[sudden tusk]

Collo just feels so weird on paladins

SS is ready to go but you know if you press it your CS in 8 seconds will munch over half of it

so you just sit there and dont 2 target

[sullen dove]

xan had a mmv one from this guy forever too

[pearl sequoia]

you shouldnt have much downtime on ss

[sullen dove]

think the jjk one

[smoky vale]

wtf is this

[sullen dove]

ninjaristic ninja goat

[sudden tusk]

oh its shmeku

[smoky vale]

oh deku?

[sudden tusk]

hes fighitng shmigaraki with his blackshwip

[sullen dove]

u blind bruh

berserker shout surely isnt only capped to party members right?

should be raidwide just so long as they in range?

or is it complete dogshit

[young swan]

psure it is

[sullen dove]

psure tremor is raidwide

is party or full raid

[smoky vale]

idk what the difference between group and party and raid is

[radiant plank]

Group 1

Group 2

Party & Raid

[sullen dove]

yea shaman directly states raid

[tiny cove]

Why does everyone say to use rampage >100 rage if you dont have to use it for frenzy? Is there a skill that increases the damage when it is over 100 rage or some reason or am i missing something?

[lofty delta]

enrage consistency

spam rampage too much, you might not be able to keep enrage up

pretty sure it says on wowhead if you hover over the blue "?" it does not

[tiny cove]

xD

So it’s purely for enrage uptime

[lofty delta]

ye

[tiny cove]

sounds good thanks

[lofty delta]

I see this question alot in the discord, is it maybe worth adding to the wowhead guide?

[edgy widget]

it is in the wh guide

[lofty delta]

i'm mising it then

[edgy widget]

It's really just stuff you learn through familiarity

[lofty delta]

it says to do it over 100 rage, but i can't see where it says because enrage uptime

though i could just be blind

[edgy widget]

if you press Rampage at 80 rage, you need to generate another 80 rage before you can Rampage again

if you press Rampage at 110 rage, you only need to generate 50 rage before you can Rampage again

you certainly can just press Rampage as soon as the button becomes available, but the idea is to be more efficient about how you use your GCDs

[lofty delta]

100%, absolutely makes sense, there's just so many people who don't realise it and then ask why the guide recommends to do it a certain way. It's getting repetative cause they can't understand the thought process xD

[vivid pollen]

I think the main point is you don't want to waste rage by overcapping

[lofty delta]

Then again, maybe people need to learn to understand the why rather than blindly following a guide without understanding

[edgy widget]

like I said, it's something that comes with familiarity over time

[vivid pollen]

If you send all your bloodthirsts at 110 rage, you'll find yourself with nothing useful to press a few globals down the line

[edgy widget]

that's another thing, by delaying Rampage you make more room for other abilities (e.g. keeping Bloodthirst on cooldown, instead of delaying it to use a Rampage immediately)

you're not mega throwing by not doing it either, so it's not hugely important that everyone understands and follows

the vast majority of optimizations are actually very minor, but they can add up

[vivid pollen]

Oh I think I've misread the question lol

[lofty delta]

I know this, i was just suggesting maybe adding one of those blue ticks to the end of the wowhead "100 rage rampage" bit with the caption "to help the consistency of enrage"

or something smarter and more accurate

feel like i'm getting things explained to me i already knew and understood xD

I also still can't find it on the guide and i figure even though it's obvious to us as experiences warriors, someone new might not realise the intricacies and it might be worth the little note to push the understanding in the right direction

[edgy widget]

there's already an explanatory line at the top of the page; frankly I don't like having too many of those "mouseover" tooltips, as I feel it detracts from the bulk of the guide (imo there are too many already), but I'll consider it

[lofty delta]

I think they're quite helpful and a good way to keep the overall guide looking clean and not busy; but i get where you're coming from

[edgy widget]

I think they can be helpful, I just don't like having a dozen of them

[lofty delta]

fair

[tiny cove]

Or only one rampage and rhen bloodthirst

Is it worth rampaging twice to get the stacking damage buff on bloodthirst?

[quiet osprey]

Guide wise I feel like the Maxroll one is the best presented, wowhead UI is a bit all over the place

[lofty delta]

i think people tend to skip reading the actual guide and just try to follow the rotation steps

[lofty delta]

if BT is off cooldown, you hit it

no matter what

well, no, if you're rage capped you rampage, but you want BT on CD as much as possible

[tiny cove]

Yeah makes sense

Only thing im confused by is when we get 3 bloodthirsts from tclap

do i just press it 3 times

or weave rampage inbetween

each one

[quiet osprey]

if you cap rage u press ramp

[lofty delta]

press it until 100 rage, then ramp

[quiet osprey]

if not u press BT

[lofty delta]

the only exception to that is Thunder Clap/Blast Spam in multitarget (6+)

[tiny cove]

thanks!

[lofty delta]

then you press thunder clap/blast over BT with ramps weaved in

[edgy widget]

only if there are no other higher priorities

e.g. if you're playing single target Thane and you have no Thunder Blast, you can BB - Rampage - Rampage - BB
but if you have Blast you'd prefer BB - Rampage - Blast - BB instead

[edgy widget]

they've all got pros and cons, I'm a big fan of "one page" guides, but the maxroll does kind of bury the important stuff behind a sea of "who cares"

though that's also the benefit of having multiple guides - you can pick whichever one you prefer

and Maxroll's is fine; there are some differences in presentation and explanation, but they're largely minor

[radiant plank]

All the differences between the guides makeup like max 0.2% difference in - or +

[edgy widget]

generally yeah, there's nothing really egregious, and we all tend to collaborate and communicate on the bigger points

[quiet osprey]

yeah ofc, but it has a bit more of a maintenance overhead, but the wowhead guide seems a little bit overwhelming for first contact with a class, but again variety is the spice of life

[edgy widget]

WH defintely has some aspects I'm not a huge fan of, but then they all do

is what it is

[zinc python]

Are any fury or arms talent builds playing well in ST right now? I feel like in ST im hitting like a wet noodle compared to some other classes

[edgy widget]

• Fury is p bad pure ST, but it doesn't really lose anything to AoE
• Arms is middle of the packish ST, but loses a ton to AoE

[zinc python]

Yea but with arms do you still have to sacrifice most of your cleave to get decent ST or is it better this season?

[steel shard]

Warrior bad

[zinc python]

It does kind of feel like we're not in a great spot right now

[stiff barn]

Yeah, but we are blasting in m+ and it skews the perception of the spec.

[vivid pollen]

re: fury being bad ST, it still wins out on fights like vorasious right?

and even then, thane seems better than slayer

(I mean when compared to arms)

[stiff barn]

Any fight with multi target we will do well.

[sick pagoda]

also with the amount of roots there are in m+ it feels annoying as f to not have a single root removal... They took that away from us too... So weird that this berserker talent isnt just a root remove but instead "movement imparing"

[edgy widget]

I mean that's not really a single target fight, so it goes back to what I was sayin - Fury's ST isn't good, but it loses next to nothing in order to AoE

whereas Arms can do well on Vorasius, but it's giving up a ton of its (only marginally) higher ST in order to do any AoE damage

so you really just need to choose what it is you're trying to prioritize

[delicate rock]

Well, of you put wcl on 1 week, warrior is actually only good dragons, saladbar and paladins with Arms.

All other bosses warrior looks pretty bad already

[edgy widget]

top vorasius logs as Arms are mostly ST w/ Bladestorm, rather than full Cleave though - adds just don't live long enough to warrant the investment

[zinc python]

Yea thats seems like a recurring theme across seasons for arms

[edgy widget]

I actually think that Dragons will become a Slayer Arms fight in 12.0.5 for the same reason - skip Cleave and just 2 target + grip -> bladestorm adds

[edgy widget]

strictly speaking, it's not a terrible balancing point, but Arms ST needs to be much higher to warrant it IMO

[zinc python]

I think fury would be more interesting if it had more options to lose some cleave and gain more ST

Agreed

[edgy widget]

giving up a lot of ST in order to do a lot of AoE is fine if you bring a lot of ST in the first place

it's a harder sell when your ST is only marginally better than the guy who gives up practically no ST in order to do a lot of AoE though

[stiff barn]

It does well enough, but yeah nothing amazing , especially if you're in high level guild.

[delicate rock]

You can play everything aslong as your Not top 10, Not arguing about that.

But ye, warrior looking Not to Hot atm. We wont be good on alleria and lura aswell once we have data

[sick pagoda]

Yeah I mean we are already not able to do burst damage with any spec (like 1 egg on belo) we struggle with cap on aoe (seems arms can do this) our ST is abysmall on all 4 specs in a pure ST fight. I mean something has to change.. I miss WW S3 Slayer tbh

[zinc python]

Yea they need to bring some serious buffs to slayer

[stiff barn]

Yeah you're right.

[vivid pollen]

tclap nerf is gonna dumpster thane in keys too

[zinc python]

Thane feels good right now if you want to cleave. But it would be nice to have a build that had some decent ST with decent cleave

[vivid pollen]

arms will be the key meta for sure

[delicate rock]

They should just make thane the aoe spec and slayer the 1 to 2 target spec for fury, bandage fix but better then the current state of Not having Real ST

[stiff barn]

I'd imagine for them to buff slayer, they would just increase the chance of slayer strike to proc and maybe more execute dmg.

[zinc python]

Doesn't have to do both well but right now between the two specs its either do strong cleave with awful ST or do halfway decent ST with no cleave

[edgy widget]

I think Slayer being high ST/short burst AoE and Thane being high sustained AoE works out well

• it does tend to lend towards Slayer being better in raid content, but if Blizz continues to make varied add fights, there could still be a place for Thane (as we saw this tier)

[steel shard]

idk i dont think warrior in general has been this bad at doing ST damage

in a long time

we are just undertuned

[empty cairn]

we had some of the highest ST last Tier

given that you have uptime

kek

[zinc python]

Yea season 2 and 3 tww were much better

[steel shard]

season 1 was uhhh

yknow

[vivid pollen]

I'm not even convinced slayer is better pure ST than thane is

slayer rampage and bthirst just hit like noodles

[edgy widget]

my ideal balance would be something like

• Arms Slayer = highest ST, moderate burst AoE
• Fury Slayer = 2nd highest ST, stronger/shorter burst AoE
• Arms Colossus = similar ST to Fury Slayer, highest sustained MT (higher loss of ST)
• Thane Fury = lower ST, highest sustained MT (low loss of ST)

[steel shard]

arms being this bad still

is crazy tho

like i think warrior is a wait for next tier angle

arms got buffed idk 4 times and is still way behind

[vivid pollen]

it is crazy how badly undertuned it was at the start of the tier

[edgy widget]

I mean... Arms has glowed up p well, it's actually better than Fury for the harder fights of the tier

now that we've seen March, I think Fury is actually on the downward trend

[delicate rock]

Fury is useless in the New raid

[empty cairn]

what about alleria und march bosses? Is it Arms angle?

[steel shard]

arms "should" be great on the birdboss

since a lot of cleave

[edgy widget]

arms actually is great on the bird boss

[steel shard]

but it get dumpstered by other classes no?

like why not just bring another hunter

[edgy widget]

it's more that ranged + immunities are even better

and the M version of the fight has dummy comp requirements (pre nerf anyway)

[vivid pollen]

ranged is just fkn cooked this tier

every melee spec down bad

[steel shard]

unh is fine

[edgy widget]

you need like a dozen fucking immunities for that fight lol it's crazy

[empty cairn]

i really like that list. But what im really missing in warrior for a long time is a decent burst window especially ST

[steel shard]

after the tww season 1

we are never gettting burst back

[edgy widget]

I think it's actually more, I think it's 15 lol

[empty cairn]

yeah but this was multitarget

pad basically

[vivid pollen]

warrior shtick has been for a long time just moderate burst windows but really good over a long fight

[edgy widget]

thing is the multitarget pad bosses are the easiest ones, it's Chimaerus, (M) Saladbar, and Dragons

[steel shard]

used to be king of execute damage

but here we are

[edgy widget]

so it's nice, but it gets outmoded very quickly

[steel shard]

i member dragonflight arms season 1

yea the fights in general are just shit for melee

[vivid pollen]

nah we still have that ability called execute

[edgy widget]

I have a very strong feeling that by the time we get to 12.0.5, Dragons is going to be a ST Slayer fight, just 2 target cleave the whole time and Bladestorm adds after grip instead of actually cleaving them

[vivid pollen]

it just does no dmg

execute kings

[edgy widget]

Warriors haven't been the king of execute in a long ass time

[steel shard]

it was really good in dragonflight tho

season 1

i member i fucking blasted razagath

last phase

idk i just think warrior is undertuned still

its like

[tight roost]

is there currently any memory game addon that works in combat?

[steel shard]

why bring one when other classes are just way better

and prot warr is hela strong

[fair talon]

guys

i have the basic and nob question maybe asked many times but still

[empty cairn]

yeah i think in First Tier TWW the burst dmg in aoe wasnt even that "pad" at the important bosses to some degree. Adds on Broodtwister and Ansurek "adds" were important to kill fast

[fair talon]

Is it better to spam keys of abilities or just chilly click them ? when nervous i insanely spam abilities even during GCD

[empty cairn]

but other than that our burstprofile was basically only padding

[steel shard]

dying to aggro even after waiting 5 seconds in m+

banger

[edgy widget]

It wasn’t that they were pad, the issue is the speed at which fury did it made it practically impossible for other classes to

And that’s a really hard thing to design - you wanna give people strengths, but not invalidate everyone else’s

[steel shard]

then why does every class in the game have better execute than warrior

[fair talon]

wym execute?

[edgy widget]

For exactly the reason I just said

Their execute being stronger doesn’t invalidate ours

[steel shard]

what is our strength then

[edgy widget]

It isn’t as though we don’t get to execute because someone else did, the boss doesn’t die in one hit to the first person to use a <20% ability

[steel shard]

I fail to see anything warrior does better than any other class

am i just not looking hard enough?

[edgy widget]

Rash/Ansurek adds did die to the first person to AoE them, which was almost always the warrior

[edgy widget]

You realize there are like 39 specs in the game right? There aren’t enough niches for everyone to be the best at something

You’re looking for something that doesn’t exist, something that can’t exist

[vivid pollen]

we are the best at being warriors

[restive fiber]

Zug zug

[steel shard]

blizzard did say they wanted arms to be the best 2t spec

but idk

they just say random shit at this point

another 5% buff to the new dh spec

[vivid pollen]

its waaaaaay better at 3t than 2t I've found

[steel shard]

yea lol

even then hunters exist

which seems to be good at everything?

[vivid pollen]

it always is isn't it

hunter will never ever be shit

[jovial dagger]

deserved , clearly underperforming , made kush not go devourer , better havoc ik ik

[restive fiber]

We have good survivability

Imagine being like enh shaman

[fair talon]

"The minimum setting you should use is 200 ms + your ping but I advise you to just leave it on 400 ms."

found this on Maxroll
is it true?

[delicate rock]

@fair talon need to test that yourself, depends on your connection and how fast you Spam your buttons

I play on 50 and feel a lag at 70 for example

[vivid pollen]

where is that setting btw

[delicate rock]

Its a wow command

[silk wharf]

NOt available by default

[vivid pollen]

oh

[silk wharf]

You can use a command or get an advanced ui addon.

[vivid pollen]

does it determine how long it queues your button presses during gcd or something?

[silk wharf]

Its the spell queue system. It allows you to seamlessly chain abilities by precasting them slightly so that they fire off asap when it's available to do so.

The default is 400. or .4 seconds.

[delicate rock]

Just Start at 200 and stop once you dont feel any Kind of lag on a dummy

[silk wharf]

Personally, I find anything above 200 to be sluggish and unresponsive at best and totally unplayable with large amounts of haste such as temporary buffs like bloodlust.

But you should find what is good for you.

[tired bane]

How to set it to 200 ? Ty 🙂

[fair talon]

is Mounthain thane rly better on all voidstorm bosses except two of them as it is shown on wowhead?

[lean haven]

omg, is that some kind of joke? Who da hell created that bad designe? Like cancelaura macro for optimal St durring M+, for example. Now i understand where is my dps.

[silk wharf]

The addon "advancedinterfaceoptions" (all one word) will give you a convenient slider you can adjust for the spell queue.

[fair talon]

some addons also set it automatically based on your gameplay and ping

[vestal root]

You dont use rampaging ruin atm

[fair talon]

i forgot that whirlrind exist totally useless ability this season yet

[vestal root]

Useful on slayer

[lean haven]

You God Damn right, thats what happens, when you starts analazing ur talents not just copy past. Trully, i dont use them.

[vestal root]

Imo shit talent they should remove it lul

[fair talon]

oh guys whilrind casts automatically ??

so during bosses we have to cancelaura it?

[vestal root]

You cast whirlwind once for the whirlwind buff every 5 attacks

And no as said because you dont use rampaging ruin

[fair talon]

Thunderblast casts it automatically so we have to cancelaura it on 1target encaunters???

or not?

any body knows?

[vestal root]

Why would you cancel it

[fair talon]

cuz lower dps

[vestal root]

Am i missing something?

[fair talon]

ye

[vestal root]

From what

Whats losing dps

[prime saddle]

he didn't read that you don't take the talent atm

[vestal root]

Check your talents

[fair talon]

dont ee take this on mohnthain thane

[vestal root]

No

Its a worse cleave

[tired bane]

@silk wharf thanks

[quiet osprey]

rampaging ruin exists soley for us to discuss how we don't need a cancelaura macro

no one ever picks it

[fair talon]

ok but why dont we use it in mythic plus?

[quiet osprey]

because it halves your priority damage on rampage for minimal aoe gain

it's good if there were like 7+ targets with identical HP for a long time

[fair talon]

ok then useless talent. needs rework

[quiet osprey]

but that's almost never the case

[silk wharf]

Because the target number you need for it to be better than just a normally cleaved rampage is too high and it nukes your single target damage both during cleaving from a main target and during st encounters.

[quiet osprey]

u can cancelaura on ST but yes, it's janky

[fair talon]

ok but we can /cancelaura anytime and gain advantage on big pulls without losing anything no?

so we can clear mythic+ dungeons fsster

for example first pull of Algerths academy

[quiet osprey]

no, because if you cancelaura nothing else cleaves hahaha

[fair talon]

i hate that pull tank aleays dies

[quiet osprey]

yea it's a bit better for clap spam i guess

but that's dead next patch anyway

[fair talon]

ahh ok then

[vestal root]

Slayer fury stocks invest now

[summer quail]

arms colossus stocks rising more

[vestal root]

Tank dps st

And jankiest melee spec?

I really gave it a shot

It feels worse than tww

[summer quail]

demolish the spec. gonna be pressing it ALOT

[vestal root]

Demolish the spec yes rework it take it apart

Slayer arms is "ok"

Ok as in still sucks but its playable

Fury just flows 1000x better

Things chain into one another, things are not so desynced, never rage starved

But coloarma keep pumping on big cleave, so fury can get buffed

[summer quail]

people been asking for arms rework for a long time for a reason. spec is weird af

[sullen dove]

ts goes hard

(died anyway)

[vestal root]

Mastery on arms is prime example why its primed for a rework

[sullen dove]

yea i was like shellshocked when i realized a few days ago arms mastery taken off deepwounds and is just "do more damage"

which i mean is kinda nice probably

but p boring as shit

[vestal root]

But its boring and bland and it feels wack

Remove rend and ravager and spec becomes 5 times better to play insta

[summer quail]

it is better than tww/df mastery yeah. mostly just coz your first ability isn't "nerfed" anymore but it's the most chicken blendered mastery out there

[vestal root]

Arms is an abomination stitched from various arms versions

Because 5 dudes who love arms cant let go

[uneven path]

Tbh it took me bit of time, but I am starting to agree with a friend that hero talents were not a good decision for the game.

[sudden tusk]

gang

[sullen dove]

think hero talents are fine if they're like.. treated equally

or at least like both have their uses

its not much different than a dps class like swapping specs right

[sudden tusk]

idk so far one hero talent just crushes the other depending on the content

[sullen dove]

"in what situation do u play arms vs fury"

[sudden tusk]

if slayer wasnt so annoying to play it would be a better choice

[sullen dove]

and then hero talents r just another branch of that "which hero talent is better for x thing"

[vestal root]

For class fantasy i like them for balancing its hard yeah

[sullen dove]

its just currently yea slayer is kinda fuckin worthless

i think slayer should be doing like 10-15% more single target than thane

pure st

and then it'd be fine

you have a reason to pick both

[vestal root]

Cant wait to be worthless slayer fury next patch

[sullen dove]

its just when one is so bad either tuning or mechanically u dont want to play it its mid

[uneven path]

I mean, it feels that it kinda forces them to make the specs blend and add flavour with hero talents

Which then becomes balancing nightmare

[vestal root]

Blizzard does it to themselves

They tune according to 0.1%
Then for trinkets
Then for certain boss niches

Like how hard is it to go to wow logs and see numbers

[uneven path]

Since I would love to see warrior lean more into exe, but then it would be only slayer.

[vestal root]

Hunter and mage outdpsing everyone? Nerf warr

Like its not hero talents at that point

Its AI thats in charge of balance

[heavy dock]

is it time to finally roll a frost mage alt

[uneven path]

Kinda agree, crown feels like Boss fight made by AI and some human adjustments

[sick pagoda]

also the emergency buff to UDK, cause then at least they have one viable (OP) spec... meanwhile all 4 warrior dps specs sitting at bottom for ST

[uneven path]

Frost mage stocks are dropping hard now from what i've seen

Go demo lock

[vestal root]

Its too late to reroll for me anyways but god do i enjoy fury but feels shit having bad numbers while tryharding

And knowing blizzard has your number and hates you

[uneven path]

What actually baffles me is that Blizzard didnt even try to fix the rampaging ruin

Feels like if they could nail this talent it would fix sooo many issues for them on fury

[sick pagoda]

Maybe they will turn it into rampaging rend....

[vestal root]

Rampaging ruin should get removed i like fury cleave as is, they need to make the spec do dmg

[sick pagoda]

yup

s3 ww slayer ❤️

they had it

and make thane big aoe

[vestal root]

Pull lust i see MM hunters and other classes doing crazy numbers meanwhile im sitting there smol pp

[sick pagoda]

merge recklessness and avatar

make blade storm into thunderstorm for thane

[stray bolt]

Thunderstorm sounds awesome

tons of flavor

[vestal root]

Warrior has crazy potential for class fantasy but blizz thinks we want to be classic wow warriors

Like nah gimme blademasters, mountain kings, chieftains

[heavy dock]

ew..

[vestal root]

Mirror image,bladestorms, shockwaves, who cares about rend man

[stray bolt]

Rend definitely feels like a relic of the past; bleeds aren't really a part of Fury's identity, and it doesn't interact with anything

[uneven path]

I want exe and rampage be big D buttons

[stray bolt]

Yeah, Rampage shouldn't be seen as your rage dump that you "have" to press, it should be a button that you want to press

[uneven path]

Yep

[calm shell]

Hi guys, im new on Warrior.
This is my logs - https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/tarren-mill/retieret?bybracket=1
I can see that my rampage is doing extremley low dmg comparison to other top fury warrios on logs.
If anyone can help me understand whats happening i would like to get some help!!!

[stray bolt]

Feels weird when you have Surge of Power or Thunder Blasts but you go "aww man I have to dump rage first"

[heavy dock]

i still cant believe they didnt make rampaging ruin just dmg your main target and do the shockwave on all the targets other than your main

was such an easy fix.. lol

[uneven path]

That is what I ment when I said it would fix a lot of issue for them if they fixed RR

Not all but mostly aoe problem

[signal falcon]

Just really want Fury to have some kind of single target burst

[remote bobcat]

we already do on one condition

[uneven path]

I would be ok with really good sustain singel till exe

Then we would go legion mode again

[quiet osprey]

idk thematically, you're too angry at that point and just lashing out, if anything Fury is tooo good at getting angry (generating rage)

[uneven path]

Btw what do you think about exe having chance to grant you TB as MT

[signal falcon]

And what is that

[remote bobcat]

enemy having a shield

[stray bolt]

LOL Wrecking Throw?

[signal falcon]

Oh lol

[uneven path]

xdd

[stray bolt]

That was the last answer I was expecting

[remote bobcat]

[signal falcon]

I was hoping you were about to drop the secret tech

[stray bolt]

For real 😂

[uneven path]

idk I feel like we have good "burst" for how often we have our cds

[remote bobcat]

you strike me as someone who wants Siegebreaker @signal falcon

[signal falcon]

Siegebreaker would just add to the sustained/flat profile I feel

Another low CD but sort of anaemic amp

We don’t burst much because we’re built around high uptime on fairly weak CD’s, that adds up to decent sustained damage

[tired bane]

Bladestorm into thunderstorm.. oh the dream

[stray bolt]

Somebody get that guy a job at Blizzard

[tired bane]

^

[uneven path]

And how would the thunderstorm work ?

[fiery hare]

you spin and knock away all enemies

[plush maple]

Thunderclap should be locked to protection like before

[vestal root]

Bladestorm but thunder

[uneven path]

Yeh no thanks

[uneven path]

Sure

[vestal root]

Slayer gets condemn instead of normal execute too

[uneven path]

Instead of BTs it would call down lightning strikes on enemies hit by it

[uneven path]

LOGIN slayer

[uneven path]

But I recall the condemn was kinda problematic in pvp

[vestal root]

Pvp balance is not real

[uneven path]

xdd

I bet the guys over in pvp channel would be happy with condemn coming back

[vestal root]

So would we

Blizz makes everyone happy

Ggwp

But blizzard doesnt like warrs happy

Went into a hc reclear and getting embarrassed by paladins and mages like cmon man

[uneven path]

They need to keep their poster children happy (locks, mages and hunters)

[vestal root]

They think im being lazy but in reality im trying guys my class is just not that strong

(also im shit teehee)

[vestal root]

Waiting for a tier when locks arent big

[uneven path]

yeh I am not really good either but like WTF is this ?

Hc crown

[vestal root]

Im not good but has purples

Like cmon

If thats not good what am i then lmaoook

But yeah this tier is not that good for melee in general

Ranged tax is not real

[tired bane]

Be like me, sometimes gray sometimes purple
Be like water my friend

[uneven path]

I am always happy when raged in my guild try to tell me they have it as hard if not harder then melee

[vestal root]

Boohoo

[rose rain]

yeah especially with mechanics that make you move away from boss and stand still for a while

[vestal root]

Thats the way

[ember garden]

demo is basically a melee rn with how many cores it gets for insta casts

[vestal root]

Caster is not a real thing

Every "caster" has 20000 insta cast

[uneven path]

The friend from logs said, "well they made demo bit eaiser, but not by much"

I tried it since I dabbled bit in lock

They made it singel button ready

[vestal root]

Nice Heroes 3 profile pic

Anyways warrior sucks arms is janky mess and fury is shite but we will play it anyways because other classes are not like fury

[uneven path]

Slayer arms is "okish" and I love fury, but for love of god do something with rampage.

I think we will be getting exe and rampage buffs in .5 with coming changes

[fiery hare]

inb4 they kill our aoe but make us do giga st and then make all encounters aoe

[pure breach]

So what changes are we getting for MT ?

[vestal root]

Thane dying

[uneven path]

Storm Surge causes Avatar to increase the damage of Thunder Clap by 10% (was 50%) and reduce its cooldown by 25% (was 50%).

[rose rain]

I did not think we were that amazing in aoe anyway compared to some other classes...

[uneven path]

Mt has to get some insane buff to TB

[vestal root]

Feral doing 1mil aoe pulls is fine

[uneven path]

Or no buffs and blizz will be like, ok MT and Slayer now both suck equity, great job we can forget about warrs till last titan

[vestal root]

But us doing decent with thane? Nerf

[uneven path]

And slayer is getting fucked on singel

[pure breach]

So maybe gonna try arms for a bit

[heavy dock]

I feel thane is always nerfed to allow slayer to dominate both st and aoe

I feel this has happened nearly every season

[uneven path]

Not S3, they just buffed slayer with tier set

[heavy dock]

Or slayer is just mega buffed

[vestal root]

I thought so too then i played arms and felt like vomiting

[uneven path]

And tbh I enjoy slayer more, but not at cost of MT suffering

[vestal root]

Arms feels so bad compared to fury

[pure breach]

I felt it the same last night when I did a phew keys with

[rose rain]

I just feel good in dungeons right now, not overpowered...this changes baffles me.

[heavy dock]

I find slayer very boring idk

[pure breach]

At least slayer but I need to try colossus

[uneven path]

I pref this approach instead of making both shit make both good

[vestal root]

Ill just play slayer fury and suffer until they buff us back

[heavy dock]

I stopped playing in s3 cuz i has to play slayer

[tidal pumice]

so what's the best in like every case, slayer or mt ?

[vestal root]

Slayer is playable colo is giga janky

[uneven path]

lol I wanted to quit S3 cuz I would have to play MT

[heavy dock]

Ig i also quit cuz i got 0 upgrades in vault for 4 weeks straight lol

[rose rain]

In raids though, i remember parsing 97 on normal crown, and this frost mge 10 ilvls below me parsing 80 something did more dmg 😄

[uneven path]

Warrior curse

[pure breach]

Colo is huge in aoe

[uneven path]

I almost took socket this week

[vestal root]

Yeah it is its crazy but has tank dps on single. And it plays wack because you need to sync 3 cooldownsy and have to play ravager

[heavy dock]

I have never seen a 2h myth wep btw

Through all my seasons combined since df

[uneven path]

Hmmmm we are same

[vestal root]

I did from nerubar first boss on mythic

[heavy dock]

Thats like 6 combined months of vault loot

[pure breach]

Maybe I’ll keep playing fury but Slayer

[vestal root]

Thats the last myth raid i did

[heavy dock]

I mean from vault

[uneven path]

Listening to friends saying "oh no staff again, or one hand etc"

While I had to craft second weapon cuz of rng

[vestal root]

Same, rather than stress about it ill wait for buffs and enjoy my time as fury

[heavy dock]

Yea funny enough i made a tank alt and first vault he gets is myth wep

….

[pure breach]

But that nerf will come this next reset ?

[vestal root]

Nah

[uneven path]

Nope this is planned for 12.0.5

[vestal root]

Maybe they will change or revert the nerf until then so keep eyes open on updates channel

[uneven path]

I think it should be all in updates-midnight channel

This one

[pure breach]

So going to enjoy the last minutes of it

[uneven path]

I think we will be getting some sizeable buffs

For Slayer and MT

But we will have to wait and see

There is no way, they would nerf singel for Slayer and aoe for MT without buffs right, RIGHT GUYS ?

[vestal root]

Yeah...

Right....

[uneven path]

Good

[vestal root]

🗿

[pure breach]

I feel like Thunderblast a nice ability to press it

[vestal root]

It sounds cool too

[pure breach]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[pure breach]

It’s absolutely peak ngl

[honest trail]

PTR update when

[red berry]

thunder blast would be cool if it did more damage

imagine that concept

[summer quail]

don't worry it will do way less in 0.5

[signal falcon]

Since they’re nerfing clap

[summer quail]

assuming nothing changes ofc

[signal falcon]

They should make blast and lightning strikes do infinite damage in avatar

[red berry]

i do kind of hope they make thunder blast stronger again

with the CD being cut in half for avatar you have more room to press bloodthirst

idk. uncap ground current. it tickles anyway

[livid arch]

I wake up, I see no news post saying they will revert fury changes on ptr, I sad

[honest trail]

I mean they're pretty nice for aoe

Just need st buffs to compensante

[red berry]

i would not describe it as 'nice' for AoE since its a direct nerf to our damage

[honest trail]

I'm sorry if you're a Thane enjoyer

[red berry]

look dawg i love slayer its fun

but it doesnt leave slayer in a better position

and any buffs to abilities also benefit thane

which was not far behind in ST to begin with

it actually is ahead if you take into consideration the reap change in ST

as far as im aware, anyway

[honest trail]

No need to keep writing, discussion is over the second you wrote "dawg"

fml

[red berry]

shrimp be ballin

girl what do you want from me

[tropic cradle]

hey. i picked up a fury warrior recently and i am at 250ilvl. I know my stats are kinda messed up considering i started gearing only recently, i was just curious about m+ specifically.

I was in algethar, on the first pull with alot of enemies. How do I keep up with dmg? I just felt super low in comparison to other dps, the dmg just feels low. I only ever played fury last season with slayer, I cant get the mountain thane to work properly for me.

So any tips on big pulls? And is slayer much worse then thane rn?

[honest trail]

Slayer is particurlary low on this pull

otherwise it's doing fine

[signal falcon]

Any time you’re over 5 targets as mountain thane you want to use Thunder Clap on cd

So every second global

Realistically you will cap out at lower than other classes with stronger burst aoe though

[honest trail]

If you still wanna keep Slayer, on very high counts, keep up Rend at all times

It does good uncapped dmg

[signal falcon]

I think Noxiv as slayer was even using whirlwind as higher prio filler on really big pulls

[tropic cradle]

yeah i was trying mountain thane for that one. Its probably where I messed up, ty

[honest trail]

yes WW>RB over 3 targets

[signal falcon]

Oh it’s as low as 3 damn

[tropic cradle]

and rend applied through clap on aoe right?

[signal falcon]

RB down horrendous

Yeah for thane you don’t have to worry about rend

[red berry]

raging blow does barely more in ST, and when you have three more targets it does 50% more damage

[signal falcon]

Because you’re applying it constantly through TC

[honest trail]

As Thane yes

[red berry]

whirlwind will apply rend in 12.0.5

but not yet

[heavy dock]

[honest trail]

😄

[tropic cradle]

i see, ty! Sorry if all this is obvious, I mained dk for as long as i coudl remember and dipped into war just recently as an alt, so I dont really have the full understanding yet 😄

[red berry]

i honestly really think slayer is more enjoyable then thane, i really do

[signal falcon]

No it’s fine just trying to help you understand

[tropic cradle]

and i appreciate it greatly, thank you!

[tropic cradle]

slayer fits more with the class fantasy, at least for me

[red berry]

ive always loved bladestorm in spite of its problems

[sick pagoda]

Maybe this is where I went wrong, maining the F tier spec all the time and having OP alts maked me mald and hate my main even more. This dude does it the other way.... Hmm

You might be on to something

[heavy dock]

id love slayer if the sound effects had more oomph to them but they are so boring

nothing compared to a crunchy clappa

[signal falcon]

Execute needs have the classic “squelch” sound effect

Not this dull thud

[red berry]

i honestly play with my sound off because i find it so incredibly overstimulating

so i cant really comment on sound design

[signal falcon]

You’re missing the goat voice acting this season bro

WHAT ARE THESE BIRDS DOING HERE

[heavy dock]

hey atleast we have the ding back

[signal falcon]

Wait what ding

[tropic cradle]

I lvl the warr to have an alt to help out my friend's guild. besides. When I am done with a dk for the week, it is nice to have a change.

[signal falcon]

Like the BT weakaura one

[heavy dock]

no

just the classic execute ding

sound effect

i know it got removed at some point

and got added back in df or tww? cant remember

i know i was using a goddamn addon to bring the sound back xD

[signal falcon]

Idk if I’ve ever noticed a ding for execute

Gonna need an impersonation from you

[honest trail]

The "ding" was on the WA ppl used

?

[heavy dock]

its back now

been for a bit

same sound that rogues had on rupture in classic

[honest trail]

i only play since TWW

(yes we exist)

[heavy dock]

yea then u should know it

when u press execute theres a higher pitched noise that comes with the weapon hit

[honest trail]

Very small yes

[calm shell]

Hi guys, im new on Warrior.
This are my logs - https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/tarren-mill/retieret?bybracket=1
I can see that my rampage is doing extremley low dmg comparison to other top fury warrios on logs.
If anyone can help me understand whats happening i would like to get some help!!!

[honest trail]

Comparing with mine if you want

1 ilvl lower than you, fight bit shorter tho

[honest trail]

How often do you press RB/CB?

Cause you do a lot

You even seem to prio Rend over RB yet still 34 of them on Vorasius

While I prio RB over Rend cause I don't wanna press it

& only did 19

Which means lower casts on Ramp & BB for you

Cause other that that your uptime is good, dmg for each spell as well

(You're left, am right, my parse on it was 99, 266 ilvl, your were 267)

& your trinkets are so much better 🙁

[sick pagoda]

for ppl in the know, is it realistic that classchanges could be up for grabs now that WF is done? Or doesnt it matter?

[clever iron]

are we able to craft something next reset?

[honest trail]

No

I mean not tomorrow

1 week more

[unborn delta]

Are vaelgor pad parses just cooked now if your group got
Too much burst aoe

[tiny seal]

Daily reminder that blizzard hates warriors and we should close the dc

[tardy lark]

that and the groups that have 2 blood dks to actually stack them properly

[south lintel]

I miss s3 slayer 🙁

Felt so satisfying proccing reap and st felt so good

[charred flint]

we all do

For the first time in a big time fury was goated in M+ and actually good in ST

[south lintel]

Yeaah man this pad shit it just doesn't feel right at all

[honest trail]

You don't have to padd

Just look at bosses dmg parses

[tardy lark]

and cry when a 99 is a gray for other classes while they also do 2x your damage to adds

🙂

died for our sins in nerubar

[honest trail]

I don't see why you'd compare yourself to other classes

Unless in pug M+, with no one taking us

but in raid, it's w/e

[tardy lark]

cause you are competing with other classes for raid spots

[honest trail]

Find less meta slave raid groups

[tardy lark]

constant battle of not wanting to play with people who suck has you end up here

[honest trail]

We are 2 fury in our raid guild atm & it's all fine

[tardy lark]

"works for me, so must work for you too"

[honest trail]

No, am just saying

The guild plays at a decent level

If you wanna play warrior, play it

[tardy lark]

decent level is very subjective

[honest trail]

If your group doesn't like that

Change it

[honest trail]

Sure

What's your goal?

Hof?

[tardy lark]

raided wr 20 in tww

joined my wr 60 guild again

so kinda jailed by class and meta

[honest trail]

I guess then yeah warrior might be weak there

[tardy lark]

so we are kinda playing different games

[radiant plank]

Whats a more different game

wr 20 v 60

or wr 60 v 200

or 200 v 1k

[tardy lark]

200 v 1k for sure

[fading bane]

You benched too?

[tardy lark]

ofc, but my hunter might not be lol

[fading bane]

Same haha

[honest trail]

I couldn't be forced to play anything else than fury slayer

So I'm happy with the 1k-800 ish

[tardy lark]

cursed with a meta driven tank duo

[fading bane]

First time ive ever been benched on a relevant boss

And its purely class

At least i get hero achievement next week on my DH

[tardy lark]

i kinda feel we are inting somewhat constantly rerolling classes for optimal comps

[fading bane]

So my hunter will get 276 hero almost all slots

[fading bane]

Same

If we 2nd bdk instead of prot war

[tardy lark]

that might be guild leaderships decisions, but also somewhat influenced by having a liquid player on roster lol

[fading bane]

And warrior dps, i think we couldve been further into prog

[tardy lark]

we started as brew/guardian tank duo and warrior was good on most bosses

then liquid got to crown and i knew i was gone lol

[fading bane]

Grips are too good and melee is too shit

[fading bane]

I at least got to oull the boss first hahahah

[tardy lark]

melee tuning is also just shit

[fading bane]

Warrior is so shit for the relevant parts of fights

Dmg profile is horrible for last 3

[tardy lark]

like warrior timings are even good for add spawns on l'ura but we dont have comparable burst and our st giga blows

[fading bane]

The adds die to MM before u do anything

[tardy lark]

yea, but let nerubar warrior loose on that shit and we are worth the spot

[fading bane]

Nerfs every week

[tardy lark]

and now we are left with pressing fucking rend in st icant

[fading bane]

Mm untouched

[tardy lark]

i hate warrior so much man

basically all 4 builds are atrocities

[fading bane]

Arms feels good to play ngl

Tried it on Alleria for p1 dmh

For execute with amp

In p2/p3 i was competing with tanks

[tardy lark]

i hate how nothing lines up as colossus and bladestorm cdr is way too random to rely on for anything

[fading bane]

It was 1 pull sample and i got many mechanics, but still

[tardy lark]

i got myself giga benched for crown by sending eroka dm screenshots to officers xd

[fading bane]

Ravager in keys is so ass

Never lines up

[fading bane]

What did he say haaha

«This class is griefing»

[tardy lark]

my rl just replied with 👋 to that

lol

i figured "its fine, rogue gets to play a boss"

[fading bane]

Figured hahah

[tardy lark]

then march came out and i figured i wouldnt see another boss lol

[fading bane]

Our rogue is venched too

[tardy lark]

talked to walli and got basically same response as eroka, just with regards to their plans for l'ura lol

we dont have enough ranged to fill every spot, but hes the only non dk melee

[fading bane]

Im sure there will be a big tuning patch soon tho

After race

[tardy lark]

and tclap will get nerfed

[fading bane]

Im at least playing bird and if i play better than 1 of the main hunters

Then i may play lura as hunter too

[tardy lark]

depending on prog i might as well as hunter

cause our second hunter main is on vacay for a week and a half

[fading bane]

I was considering sacking wsrrior myth crests to gear hunter

But luckily dh had enough to do it

[tardy lark]

thats my plan tomorrow

i am not playing warrior during farm

fuck that shit

[fading bane]

Aslong as i grt a non wep/belt in vault

Need 20 crest save

50 keys this week to cap dh and gear hunter

[tardy lark]

my hunter is struggling cause im holding every crest and craft

so im barred from pugs lol

[fading bane]

Ye pugging is cooked

Im missing 3 slots

And im doong first boss mythic tonight for wep

[tardy lark]

aagaardhntas is a 192 boot enjoyer

[fading bane]

Boot is boe slot at least

[tardy lark]

im hoping for a passion proc mythic alt run tonight

[fading bane]

I would let you join our m 1st boss run

But there is only space for 1 hunter reroll

Gg

[tardy lark]

you should do 2-3 splits of march trash for boes though

[tardy lark]

2 guns trust

[fading bane]

We did one yday

[tardy lark]

we are prolly doing that before actual reclear tomorrow

[fading bane]

With mains, cus we are generally against any overtime

[tardy lark]

its not overtime

its passion procs

[fading bane]

I dont count it personally

Takes 15 min

[tardy lark]

as dr atnos says "if 20 gamers want to game on a saturday, let them game"

[fading bane]

Im prob gonna try to convince ppl to do it after mythic

[tardy lark]

we did it after prog time sunday

[fading bane]

Surely u dont need more than 10 ppl for it too

[tardy lark]

prolly not

[fading bane]

If i had it my way we would have done 4 runs. 5 mains 5 alts per run

[tardy lark]

we just split 26 people on 3 runs filled with rats

[fading bane]

And you do 2 simultaniously

You got any boes?

[tardy lark]

3 splits and got... 4 i think?

3/6 myth track, so definitely worth it

[fading bane]

Pretty good

[hollow leaf]

any idea why revvez had piercing howl assigned on paladins?

[tardy lark]

execution sentence spread shortly after the giga raid damage that people stack for is my guess

[fading bane]

It gives move spd

Assuming you didnt know

[hollow leaf]

I did not

[jaunty trellis]

Only if you’re talented into the bottom right on the warr talent tree

[flat river]

no

its baseline

bottom right increases range

[jaunty trellis]

Oh

Oops

[tardy lark]

budget druid except way worse and way longer cd

[smoky nacelle]

Temu Roar

more of a kiting utility

[fading bane]

Its more useful in keys as its a bit slow too

[split elk]

jeez i start pc after a day and i see arms is higher in lists

what a bad day

[heavy dock]

from complete ass tier to S tier

must be nice

maybe next expac we must have fury be total garbage unplayable tier so they buff us into s+ tier

i dont think this has ever happened for fury but istg it happened 3+ time for arms

[split elk]

i mean i really hate lining up the cds on arms to do dmg

but i guess when u get a hold of it it deals more than fury

[coarse nest]

It’s not that bad

Everything plays around colossus smash

Whatever cooldowns are available with CS, send it

[wicked imp]

Is fury still ahead of Arms or does it depend (Bosses, m+)?

[coarse nest]

M+ arms is ahead
Raid can play both but thane fury does adds the best

[quiet geyser]

Lists aren't even complete. Fury is still missing logs from 3 bosses, and arms 2. Bosses they aren't very good at as well

[split elk]

ye I was talkin about m+ sry didtn clarify

[wicked imp]

Thanks bud. So i should respec to Arms for m+. Are the secondary stats similar to the fury ones (haste > Mastery > crit > versa)?

[coarse nest]

Not really you’ll run less mastery and more Crit but arms plays fine in most fury gear just swap a ring or two or neck or something

[tardy lark]

colossus with low crit feels horrible on pull, but when bloodsurge does its thing on aoe, its fine

[split elk]

hope its not that much better in m+ than fury, hate to swap if i want to push high keys

doin +16s rn and just fine with fury

[solid dock]

you can stay fury and be fine

[wicked imp]

I am feeling fine too with thane in m+. Doesnt feel underrated in +10 - +13 Keys

[ember garden]

the thunder clap focused damage profile is pretty horrendous so it probably looks better on meters than it really is

altho you could also just not spam it if you have prio targets

[quiet geyser]

Fury is still 1 of the better m+ specs dude. Atleast until .5 😅

[split elk]

.5 is gonna fuck up fury?

[low folio]

how do i start a vote to end

[split elk]

thought that the reap the storm from rampage aoe should be fine

[charred flint]

Is this what you guyses damage splits look like in a M+ too?

[quiet geyser]

Pending further changes, thane will be dead. Slayer will get an AoE bump, but will lose like 6-8%ish single target damage

[supple laurel]

Aren't we already shit at ST?

[quiet geyser]

Correct

[wicked imp]

So we are gonna swap to arms for raid and fury slayer for m+?

[lofty seal]

math seems right, buff mage

[supple laurel]

[split elk]

well rn people swaping to arms m+ xddd

[quiet geyser]

The general consensus is there's still gonna be changes announced for fury, whether it be post race tuning or more .5 changes

[worn rain]

(c) Blizzard

[lofty seal]

really, is there anywhere they explicitly said this? or is this just speculation

[quiet geyser]

Its kinda hard to believe blizz would leave fury the way it is. But then again, history has shown when fury gets the hammer, it doesn't recover very well

[quiet geyser]

Speculation

[lofty seal]

just a big huff of hopium

[charred flint]

We had that terrible fury in Dragonflight that was buffed quite a bit, but we didnt go to S tier, no

[quiet geyser]

Sure, but that hopium comes from the Yellows and archim himself. Generally when he talks, we listen.

[lofty seal]

im on a lifetime supply

[quiet geyser]

Which tier?

[charred flint]

first one

[quiet geyser]

Fury was good in df s1 due to a bug lol

The onslaught bug

And I wouldnt even say good, it was decent

[charred flint]

bug or not, it happened lmao

[uneven path]

It was deemed one of best melees in S2 cuz other melees were just utter dog water.

On S3 we were actually good something like A or A- I think ?

[heavy dock]

I wonder why blizz will never let fury be the best or top 3 dps in the game at least 1 season

[charred flint]

We at the beggining of tier when we played that terrible ass talent that gave us CB

[heavy dock]

Surely it cannot be simplicity of the spec cuz bm hunter has been there

[charred flint]

were bad

then got buffed to like

top 4 spec?

[quiet geyser]

Fury was arguably the best melee and 1 of the best specs overall in the start of s2. Then Aug got released and a whole bunch of patch notes completely missing fury buffing everything else up, then fury took a hit

[charred flint]

We literally were last season.

[heavy dock]

Were we now

[quiet geyser]

Fury has been amazing both the last 2 tiers (tww s2 and s3)

[charred flint]

And we were goated in both m+ and raid

[uneven path]

I am pretty sure every other melee was just bad

[quiet geyser]

Ret was strong in s2

[low folio]

how do i initiate a vote to stop a key

[charred flint]

right click your name

[heavy dock]

Idk i just want a season like frost dk had in s1 tww. Absolutely stomping every other melee and they dont get touched but the competition gets nerfed lmao

[uneven path]

Yeh cuz of rework from S1 right ?

[heavy dock]

Like imagine

I will never forget that

The absolute joke that season was for balancing

[split elk]

well now what u get is that people swaping to arms in m+ xddd

[charred flint]

who cares

[uneven path]

What I love is us getting 3 or 4 tapped on TWW S1 cuz we were too strong on adds, but MM just solo deleting every Mythic add is ok

[charred flint]

just play what you like more

[low folio]

ah /abandon. i was trying /ff and /surrender

[charred flint]

my only real gripe with fury right now besides ST being dog