fury

[sullen dove]

coulda tp'd away

she does that alot

https://tenor.com/view/pondering-pondering-my-orb-my-orb-orb-pondering-my-pondering-my-orb-orb-gif-24060364

baze aura farmin

[chilly zodiac]

is 73k on vorasius mythic bad

[slim coral]

she took the ley lines

to the worldsoul

it was talked about in the story that the sunwell has leylines under it

[smoky vale]

anyone else just insta skip the cutscenes

[slim coral]

no

[slim coral]

https://tenor.com/view/im-getting-mad-tina-templeton-the-boss-baby-family-business-i-am-getting-angry-it-makes-me-angry-gif-22838229

[smoky vale]

https://tenor.com/view/kaoruko-waguri-kaoruko-waguri-gif-13173670899908374147

[flat river]

just like how you insta skip some bit- sorry

[smoky vale]

u rn

[sudden tusk]

https://giphy.com/gifs/kaoruko-waguri-kaorukowaguri-4R7no5e7E7OoeEGWjr

[smoky vale]

banned from cooking

[undone flower]

tbf I already watched it on YouTube and confirmed why I skip cutscenes

Portals kill wow lore since forever

[brittle crow]

i dont get ppl who skip cutscenes

da whole point of da game is to get to da cutscene

[flat river]

i watch cutscene once

if again i skip yeah

but you have to watch it once

smh

[smoky vale]

i dont play this game to watch cutscenes

[hybrid yew]

heroic chim 99% parse 2nd time in a row 😎

[chilly zodiac]

does anyone knowis 73-76k on vorasius ok as fury?

mythic

[tardy lark]

you could just check warcraftlogs

[chilly zodiac]

is there a way to jump to that amount?

[charred path]

i'd go to stats and look at percentile real amounts

for example

[fiery hare]

80k must be some insane gamer

Or have actual trinkets and not crusader locket

[supple sinew]

how do I get something crafted on my dead server 🙁

[slim coral]

that's the neat thing

[undone flower]

your guild, or you have to do weird shit like join the guild of the crafters, if you want to do cross server crafts

[trail bane]

join a guild with players from other servers who can craft stuff

guild orders are cross server

(I dont know any of these guilds)

[charred flume]

anybody know how much damage u lose on open burst window like reck avatar, OF being on cd

how much should i be losing during that window cuz i lose about 20k dps and go down to around 50-51k single

[undone flower]

in a 20 sec window ?

if you don't have your CDs, you are here

[charred flume]

Ahh

9 k under hmm

Me problem

[pliant jackal]

i can't believe i died to the spinning hammers on lightblind vanguard

fucked my parse

[undone flower]

it's a sim of my character

[charred flume]

U have decent gear

[undone flower]

im 275

[charred flume]

Yea ok hmmm

Just tryna see where I’m at ig

[undone flower]

but anyway, if you dont have your CDs, well, you do the dps of a fury war without CDs

[charred flume]

I’m 265

Yea im just tryna understand cuz im spamming bloodthirst and ramp like non stop and doing my priority’s like 85% right im just not able to hold at anything above 50k

[pliant jackal]

well the easiest thing to say is get better gear

[gleaming juniper]

this is a weird RWF

are we like supposed to pretend L'era is the final boss

L'ura

[compact knot]

its final boss difficulty for sure

but yes its the final boss

[somber zephyr]

do you ever switch to defensive stance

[gleaming juniper]

yes

when you need a defensive

lul

[young swan]

it is the final boss

[gleaming juniper]

like bear form for druids but we can still do damage

[somber zephyr]

for preemptive incoming damage?

or for like a ticking dot

[gleaming juniper]

I mean for anything but yes

Honestly it’s probably not worth it in anything lower than a 12

But in higher keys yeah you definitely want to be using D stance

[junior gale]

both but yes its mostly used for a quick swap to live incoming dmg and swapping off after

Dstance is your best friend.

On demand DR is insanely strong in the hands of people who actually use it

[somber zephyr]

hmm just realized its not on the global CD

[gleaming juniper]

Correct. The only limitation is that it has a CD

[somber zephyr]

always thought it took a global so never seemed worth it

[gleaming juniper]

Like i said anything lower than a 12 i wouldn’t even worry about it, but once you are doing higher keys you absolutely need to use it to live

We are really tanky if played correctly

You can also use spell reflect as a DR for magic damage

[undone flower]

i started to stance dance in 15-16s

[somber zephyr]

yea theres spell reflect, enraged regen,

[gleaming juniper]

We don’t have ER

Well tbe builds were playing rn shouldn’t have it

[undone flower]

you are allowed to take it

[gleaming juniper]

Idk how w/o losing damage

[undone flower]

massacre -> ER

[gleaming juniper]

I mean you CAN take any talent lol

[somber zephyr]

i dont feel right without it lol

[gleaming juniper]

yea that’s a dmg loss lol

[undone flower]

st/5t on my char

[gleaming juniper]

valid

Tbh i have been playing almost all arms keys this week

That is def worth taking

[undone flower]

i don't feel i need it in 16 but higher i most likely take ER

#fury message

before 15s it was just spell reflect or eat everything natty

[cerulean junco]

Can someone help me out with what I am doing wrong? My rotation appears to be right (looking at dmg breakdown vs top parsing warrior) but i do 24k dps lower with worse gear...
my log - https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Vw1kapGLWrqnyRD3?fight=32&type=damage-done&source=8
top warr log - https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fTMzDbCtJAZ3wgPk?fight=33&type=damage-done&source=22

[sullen dove]

9 more casts per minute than you including like 20 more rampages which also results in 1 less avatar/recklessness use, you waste like 400 rage across all your abilities where critcake wastes like maybe 70 total, he also had full enchants where u only have about half of them

all in all a little concerning to be like 16 ilvl higher than him and doing 14k less but having 80% of the rampages is probably pretty significant so would say trying to be hitting ramp more often especially when youre at capped rage would be good cuz you were capped a good bit

[pine cave]

is arms outperforming fury now or am i looking at wcl wrong lol

[sullen dove]

and just in general hitting things quicker on the gcd, 9 cpm is kind of a big difference can probably just automatically assume thats like... +10-15% damage lost from not matching him in cpm

[random shadow]

are you folks still using big wigs or dbm?

[sullen dove]

youre just not hitting 10 out of 70 casts you could be hitting that critcake was

[unborn delta]

is their haste lowert

[sullen dove]

stats and haste will slightly affect that but not much more than by like 2 or 3 probably

[unborn delta]

🤔

[sullen dove]

would also say dump your log into wowanalyzer might also give a simpleish breakdown of things to work on

[unborn delta]

damn my cpm is 75

[random shadow]

theres a cpm section in logs?

[unborn delta]

im pumping

[modest condor]

yeah but look at odyns fury

you didnt press odyns fury 65 times

[undone flower]

and stats will not make a 251 random dude demolish someone 267

[unborn delta]

NUH UH

I did

[sullen dove]

yea ig some odyns casts might be fake idk how that works

[random shadow]

im blind where is the cpm section

[unborn delta]

so u just subtract the odyns

its under casdts

[sullen dove]

still almost 5 rampages less per minute

[unborn delta]

it seems 18 rampages is the number to hit

[undone flower]

and what is going on with the light potential pot and the lust

[unborn delta]

my 1 measly crushing blow 🥺

[gleaming juniper]

Should be 0

lol that ability feels terrible to press

[unborn delta]

yea sometimes you just get unlucky

you can tell i ran out of shit if im chucking wrecking throws at them

i think during reck you do prio crushing blow over wrecking throw though right?

bc it gives more rage and ramp is cheaper so the rage is more valued even if dam lower

[undone flower]

if you are out of range you can thunderblast/thunderclap or wreckthrow if it's that far

[visual umbra]

is rampage supposed to be our top damaging move?

[unborn delta]

its our ultimate ability

[visual umbra]

sure, but like in a fight should it be my highest damage done abilility

[frank dawn]

ultimate is perhaps a strong word, but it is usually your number 1 damage source

[random shadow]

i mean its generally your highest since its our spender

as it should be

[visual umbra]

ok good

[cerulean junco]

thanks for looking into it bro, i def waste alot of rage when avatar is up cos i want to spam blood bath (if enrage is already up) to trigger thunder blast procs to extend avatar, perhaps i should stop that

[sullen dove]

yea rampage way more important than all of that

bb is next in line tho basically like youll still be hitting a lot of bb

ramp at high rage/rage cap > 2 stacks of thunder blast > bloodbath

then after that is like either rampage whenever possible or just send the 1 thunder blast - minutia probably not as significant as the first 3 steps

tho can prolly just slam the tb first for enrage duration extending

cuz while not as significant of a change u had 94% enrage uptime when he had 98%, its not like massive but should basically always be up, and hitting ramp more will do that

[sudden tusk]

Smorbsmish <t:1775365052:R>

[unborn delta]

yap yap

[sullen dove]

https://tenor.com/view/uncanny-emoji-angry-hakayaki-hakayaki-angry-emoji-gif-13101565263917230073

[livid arch]

anyone know any good m+ communities in NA?

[static rock]

Hey, are we still simming 5T for 5 minutes?

[sudden tusk]

there arent really any you can just join

most of them are invite only once someone you play with is in a high enough key

[livid arch]

i figured, no one in my guild really pushes except for me. so im just stuck mostly pugging

[static rock]

for M+ i mean

[sudden tusk]

yeah we sim ST for everything

[static rock]

No, i mean 5T

[livid arch]

yea

[zinc python]

is it just me or does it feel like fury ST is in the trash can right now?

[sudden tusk]

we have good pad

but we dont do great ST

[nova vessel]

heya

for simming aoe should i use patchwerk 5 targets or just a dungeon slice?

[keen kindle]

Try wow made easy

I've had okay success with it

It's at least active

[zinc python]

my devourer demon hunter is like 20 ilvls lower and doing nearly the same ST as my fury warrior

[keen kindle]

Yeah because devourer is overtuned

and fury is not

[smoky vale]

smorbyapish

cluegi

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/760970662474547271/1490212870644957419/DOGNERD.gif

[sullen dove]

@covert blaze

[keen kindle]

wha

[dapper goblet]

@sullen dove alright lets key it up

get xan

[covert blaze]

free title angle

[sullen dove]

https://tenor.com/view/uncanny-emoji-angry-hakayaki-hakayaki-angry-emoji-gif-13101565263917230073

you get xan he's your boy toy

[smoky vale]

xeos when we gonan do keys

[smoky vale]

am i your boy toy

:3

[dapper goblet]

i will suckle keys at any point

[sullen dove]

chat castrate this man

good lil piggy

[covert blaze]

https://giphy.com/gifs/blue-archive-hoshino-takahashi-mlLLkiLcdtbhuG2DFQ

[sullen dove]

https://tenor.com/view/h2di-piglet-happy-pig-happy-gif-11790163727987666887

gromnak

[smoky vale]

pig

https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWFlZWNjYzExOGM4M2p2MG5kcXo4dnVqZjYxbHk4N3dqZ2dybHBzZGM4MzNuZHl3eiZlcD12MV9naWZzX2dpZklkJmN0PWc/2qBul5zTnq36HUUxCe/200.gif

[sullen dove]

also no have a key so need xan

[smoky vale]

he got ran down by a bdk

lol

[sullen dove]

gio jr

camillax jr

[smoky vale]

i aint ever trolled a key

[sullen dove]

fury

not intentionally

[smoky vale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1345566321542299668/1401456123097383003/attachment-12.gif

[dapper goblet]

litewally online

[sullen dove]

o you a hordie or something

[sudden tusk]

why am i gearing alt 3...

[sullen dove]

i can game but you have to acquire a 10 key haver

[sudden tusk]

bored moment

[sullen dove]

babyvomit has a 10 surely

must level alt for sales

[sudden tusk]

babyvomit has windrunner spire 10

[sullen dove]

make gold

babyvomit has xeos added surely

inv both of us

[sudden tusk]

i do not have the wonka

but i am horde on this man

[sullen dove]

kill wonka

[smoky vale]

amen

[sullen dove]

good 1 key

[dapper goblet]

xan is just a useless piggy

remember this next time he asks us for help

[bitter palm]

ig bro

[sullen dove]

Can’t tag valks on mobile ig

@static kiln kill this man someone

[bitter palm]

ye same

[sullen dove]

Or is he gone already

pog

coulda deleted msg tho ig but idk if woulda seen name then

[inner zinc]

you know if they just made it so that storm surge works all the time instead of during avatar that change wouldnt be so bad

burst of power should affect tclap

[lyric ibex]

What is the rotation/ability priority order for ST damage in the M+ build?

[tawny sonnet]

Are you guys planning ro respecc after the nerf?

I dont know the impact of the changes.

[random shadow]

Respect into what tho

[pliant jackal]

go check wowhead

for fury warrior and look at rotation

[random shadow]

We're still weeks away. Maybe they'll be buffs or changes before then

[oak raven]

:3

[sullen dove]

https://tenor.com/view/oguri-cap-true-eating-eat-uma-musume-gif-6958309401336282549

[pliant jackal]

anything under a m+ 10 shouldn't be allowed to use the competitive label. It doesn't mean anything but its fucking hilarious

[random shadow]

I think the label system is pointless

[pliant jackal]

yea its funny seeing 6+ labeled as competitive its so meaningless it doesn't change anything

[hollow leaf]

Same but 12

[eternal sundial]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1170378356588552214/1463241180635726022/z9v6sxkm5jeg1.gif

[sullen dove]

holy peak

truepher

[eternal sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/true-truth-nuke-super-truth-nova-truth-meme-gif-16889273424352737553

trvthernova

happy easter swordfish

[random shadow]

I miss old pfp why this one

[sullen dove]

idk Saul has done his duty

him and miyabi live happily ever after

[random shadow]

Nah this dont fit you sir. Go back

[undone flower]

I type valkmod

[violet raft]

everyone struggle with mono on m+ or i have rotation issue ?

[undone flower]

Singletarget*

Mono is french

If you do 70k it’s very fine

[burnt vine]

is there a way for sensei class resource to change the rage bar colour if Rage >100? or other addons that can do that?

[dense elbow]

Oh no

it is happening again

[digital ore]

Don't post this, ret paladins will close their discord over it.

[steel shard]

so frost got buffed to be better than warrior now as well

bet

[coral fiber]

What is the current consensus for warrior in M+ and raid with Fury and Arms?
Are they head to head on those scenarios?

[dense elbow]

currently you would say so

[loud field]

the incident...

Also I hope yall are doing well

[radiant plank]

whys it missing bizentein 19's

[dense elbow]

No idea

I just took a snapshot to show how close it was between the two, not to show who is #1

[verbal steppe]

how are we feeling about the new nerfs with mountain?

[dense elbow]

https://giphy.com/gifs/celebs-muppets-elmo-jPAdK8Nfzzwt2

[native wadi]

Sucks unless there is more tuning

~10% loss and avatar losses identity as you would not spam claps

[placid turret]

Unsure if there's an addon but elvui let's u set a different color when full iirc

[verbal steppe]

how hard is arms compared to fury? rotation wise?

[radiant plank]

like 10% harder

if you play colossus

about the same if u are slarms

[dense elbow]

I would say it is about 23-72% harder depending on conditions

[pure breach]

Just zugzug

I’m still playing fury no matter what

[pseudo bone]

wait fury is bad for keys now?

[stoic loom]

It will be in 12.0.5 if we dont get additional tuning

We already do some of the lowest boss damage, and we'll be getting a pretty big aoe nerf

[pseudo bone]

but i just leveled her -_-

[quiet osprey]

I mean you get a ST nerf as well right? Thane looses some clap bonuses and slayer loses reap the storm on ST

though you will get 20% bladestorm damage

[stoic loom]

Yeah

Not looking great

Im sure we'll get some compensation, cope

[quiet osprey]

arms will still do fine at least, especially colo

[pseudo bone]

i keep picking the b and c tier meta picks.. lol

[quiet osprey]

but either way, fury will not be bad for keys, it will still do good

[pseudo bone]

i dont wanna struggle to get into key groups though lol

[fiery tide]

spoiler: you play dps you always have it hard getting into groups

[lofty seal]

they are literally just telling everyone to go play DK or lock

[quiet osprey]

and warr has other things going for it (shout, rally, very tanky), but will be a bit harder for solo play if you don't have friends

[pseudo bone]

not true - i play tanks and heals too

[dry hawk]

Funny thing about that, if you playing a dps you struggle anyway. I switched to tank spec and immediately got groups

[pseudo bone]

Guess its time to make friends..

[quiet osprey]

none of my friends wanted to dps this season hahaha, settled on aug, blood and resto druid feelsgoodman

[red berry]

really curious how they’ll tune the numbers. buff the shit out of slayers strike? I’d want the frequency increased. having it back on AM would be nice but that’s not gonna happen lol

[lofty seal]

unfortunately i would put money on that they keep the changes without any extra tuning lol

[quiet osprey]

I feel like there is room to make execute even better without feeling clunky priority wise if they wanted to push our ST on slayer while keeping Colo somewhat neutral, or hit OP again to affect both (for arms); I'm more worried about Thane, not sure what they do there

[stoic loom]

Most likely

Warrior not allowed to be good

[lofty seal]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-the-rock-anime-sad-gif-27615865

[red elk]

For raids on a single target, Odyn's Fury comes back up first, I think you just send it on cooldown (?), but after Avatar etc comeback up about 10 seconds before OF, do I wait to send all at the same time or just pop avatar, recklessness on cd?

[neat plume]

hi there guys. Long time prot warrior switching to fury here. What buffs should I be tracking that will effect my rotation, other than enrage uptime?

[quiet osprey]

u pop cds asap and when OF becomes available you press it

[low folio]

man i cant replace this veteran trinket i hve because most the dungeon trinkets just suck

[quiet osprey]

not as nicely presented I don't think, but you can look at timelines of wclogs, it's a bit shitty to parse visually tho (example)

[grizzled mango]

I think I found what I was looking for

Under casts by players

[bitter palm]

idk bizs character isnt on wclogs

[undone flower]

Me when I want to lose money

[dim tinsel]

anyone got a good intercept interpose mouseover macro ?

[smoky nacelle]

#showtooltip Charge
/use [@mouseover,harm,nodead] Charge; [@mouseover,help,nodead] Intervene; [@cursor,known:Interpose] Interpose; [harm] Charge; Intervene
/startattack

[edgy widget]

You don’t need startattack macros in the modern era of wow

[smoky nacelle]

tell that to A.I.

[wispy slate]

Is wowanalyzer reputable for my logs? I ask because WCL shows that i'm not doing well but wowanalyzer gives me a different %?

[keen echo]

i’m sure it’s been asked a million times already but is slayer the move after tuesday?

[dense elbow]

Nothing changes, so if you want to move then you move, if not you can stay still

[gusty cloak]

is there any addons or anything to track stat dr's?

[dense elbow]

Sims will tell you when you need to care about em

For a tool, you would have to do a Google, or Copilot it as my best recommendations

[winter shoal]

It should be pretty accurate for pure single target, but it can't know about things like holding cds for damage amps, or when there are periods of cleave vs single target

[dense elbow]

Fix your program

[sullen dove]

so saying you sent a bad macro made by ai that has a bunch of extra crap

[dense elbow]

If it works, it works

[winter shoal]

It would be many orders of magnitude more work to account for those things, and the net gain would be minimal

[dense elbow]

But think of the children! Get to work

Chop chop

[smoky nacelle]

it works

[dense elbow]

Did you delete saying it works, to say it again

[smoky nacelle]

to reply correctly to sword yeah...

[eternal tree]

i'm blizzard-illiterate, there seem to be a lot of changes in the PTR news but most of them not seen in the class tuning blueposts, do we have any timeline on when to expect this? (considering change to slayer in m+ due to the reap changes)

[dense elbow]

Guess that works too

[smoky nacelle]

k

[dense elbow]

3 weeks or more ish?

Dont worry about em

[low folio]

i must have misunderstood the reap changes, i assumed they were worse

[dense elbow]

They changed em a few times

For a while it was Reap only from WW

[pure breach]

Play prot like I’m doing it or going out touch some grass

[low folio]

someone stupid was in charge of that idea

[pure breach]

Or play other games in a meantime

[eternal tree]

well as far as moving it to rampage it's an excellent button to hit as it will take some prio off bloodthirsts and you just worry about rampaging as much as possible which is great for the apex talent, odyn's CD reduction and overall smoothness of the rotation as far as i can tell

[dense elbow]

They changed it, so hey, no dam done

[low folio]

will the new version of reap give less reaps in general? the old version let fury have higher chance per target hit

[dense elbow]

Yep, but i wouldnt worry about that

[low folio]

wouldnt that mean even less aoe damage

[drifting token]

Moving it to rampage was fantastic for aoe but losing reap completely for ST is still a rough time

[modest condor]

hasnt worked like that since prepatch

[pseudo bone]

already do but thanks for the less than helpful comment..

[low folio]

oh i havent played slayer a lot, i just assumed it was the same

well i havnt played slayer a lot this season

[pure breach]

Lmao ?

[eternal tree]

on another topic, any preferred nodes to take instead of rend? i just really fucking despise that whole button and wondering if anything is generally considered a good swap?

[undone flower]

Came here for Prot info...nice to see it’s the same old slop as all of the internet...ie, ignorance thinking it is educated

[eternal tree]

brother this is the fury channel, no?

[drifting token]

It's just free dmg at this point there's no point in dropping it now that both TC and WW will be applying it soon

[eternal tree]

oh i didn't know about WW applying it soon

cash money

keeping it then, i just find it so redundant as a standalone button

[drifting token]

It might as well just be a passive

[eternal tree]

yup

[hearty bay]

What is everyone using for raid? Slayer or Mountain Thane? I am seeing alot of high parses as mountain thane but the guides say use slayer. Which i was surprised at since to me, slayer is lacking in damage.

[undone flower]

I played slayer on vorasius, thane on first, chimarus and saladbar

[opaque solstice]

is the gap for slayer fury and thane fury massive in m+ guys?

[drifting token]

Yes

[opaque solstice]

🙁 damn

[compact knot]

It's good enough for low keys

[opaque solstice]

i never go above 10+

[compact knot]

If u push though (15+) then it does matter

Ah

[radiant raven]

i just go slayer every boss. adds dont live enough to justify thane. maybe in mythic they do, but then again i only raid HC

[compact knot]

You can play slayer it's fine

[drifting token]

Slayer is good for 10s yeah

[compact knot]

It'll be worse probably but it's not unplayable

[opaque solstice]

ill just go for it then hell yeah

thank you guys

[eternal tree]

i get lower overall dps but definitely more prio damage which is nice in a lot of dungeons

(on slayer that is)

[opaque solstice]

yeah can see that being very helpful in some situations

[eternal tree]

and as for my personal experience it just feels like i need to be a bit more mindful about where to press cooldowns on slayer, whereas on thane it literally doesn't seem to matter like any pull is worth all your CD's because they come back so fast

[bitter palm]

idk slayer is just a mess

nothing ever aligns

[opaque solstice]

yeah i got that feeling when i was hitting dummies

felt all out of sync

[bitter palm]

yep

[compact knot]

I hate hate hate rng cdr

It's the worst thing ever

It happens for arms on both hero talents though less egregious as colossus

[bitter palm]

i hate cdr

[compact knot]

And it does happen for both on fury but not THAT bad for thane

[bitter palm]

ye slayer fury is just

awful

gameplay wise

so is arms but not that bad

imo

[compact knot]

Slayer arms hasn't clicked for me idk

[bitter palm]

idk where my dmg is coming from on st

[next canopy]

Are we still running DN?

[compact knot]

Need to do some slarms keys

[bitter palm]

like im randomly doing

90-95k st in keys

i feel like i have no power

over my dmg

its so stupid

[fast mural]

SD rng ?

[compact knot]

Yes

[bitter palm]

sd blord tact rng

and on top of that the mosti mportant rng

crit

[next canopy]

Yes we run DN?

[bitter palm]

yes

[compact knot]

Yes

[bitter palm]

its 1 talent point that has huge value in aoe and decent value on st

[fast mural]

HS rng for the CS dmg is also big

[next canopy]

Ty

[honest trail]

Slayer for every content and difficulty

[compact knot]

Ok that's just not true

[honest trail]

That's what I do. To each their own

[fiery edge]

why's log running thane

[compact knot]

It's just plain better on some fights

At the end of the day play what you want but there is a better hero talent for what you are currently doing and right now it's not always slayer

[spare steppe]

thane is going to be better for council, chimerus, and probably in a lot o mythic when you want sustained aoe

[fossil oasis]

why are most people on l'ura hc playing mountain thane?

[undone flower]

Saladbar until big orbs just dies

[rapid forge]

hm is our single target shit? even with 90 + parses im trash

[undone flower]

most

[rapid forge]

yeah im basically playing only that

[warm crag]

ye theres specs that just sim 20% higher than us

cant really win

[rapid forge]

sucks

like im trying and it once adds die fast you are just before the tank

i mean eversyone is parsin 90 + but still

[fossil oasis]

am i wrong xdd

[undone flower]

50/50 -> undecided

[fossil oasis]

54/46 is a bigger gap

thats like comparing porsche 718 and bmw m3 weight distribution

[undone flower]

Idk I have a Ferrari

[fossil oasis]

which one

[undone flower]

Red one

[fossil oasis]

fast?

[undone flower]

Red

[compact knot]

Red?

[undone flower]

348 one

[unborn delta]

i got a brown ferrari

[undone flower]

But to be more serious, thane will likely be the one to do more overall dmg I guess, similar to crown, ppl play slayer bc boss dmg check

Which will disappear with ilvl

[sullen dove]

i mean theres literally 2 sets of adds on heroic

no way u dont just hold bs for them

and just play slayer

thats what r1 at the time yesterday did

slayer and held reck/bs p1 for adds

i was thinking of doing that in my head when i killed but just sent a reck early on accident autopiloting and just said fuq it and just was ethical single target man or something

thane seems like useless as hell they only live like 8 seconds

[fossil oasis]

yea but

thane is doing more damage on the boss

raw numbers

[sullen dove]

seems pretty unlikely unless the slayers are just playing bad

or well it shouldnt be happening and those players would do more boss damage as slayer most likely but its probably similar to the like perceived breakdown between specs of a class like the good players will play "the better hero talent" so naturally they perform higher than average than the other ppl who play slayer, and think its been cemented enough that u can just play thane basically the entire tier not as many ppl bother to swap back

[fossil oasis]

look at

[sullen dove]

but like when say for example frost mage is the best mage spec and it looks like its 20% better than the other two on logs when in reality its only like 10% better but all the good people are playing frost and none of them are playing the other 2 specs at their full potential

similar thing here probably

[fossil oasis]

#1 and #3 log

slayer

thane

this is only l'ura damage

[sullen dove]

yea i mean the thane definitely played better and also has 20 more rampages over the course of the entire fight, as well as better trinkets and item level, and 6% more enrage uptime on account of the 20 more rampages

like slayer should be better but also the slayer holds his cooldowns for adds in p1 and loses some st damage for that

the thane also wasted actually only 18 rage in the entire fight that is crazy

never seen that shit that low

dude actually played like a robot

the slayer wasted like 600 rage

[fossil oasis]

how do you check that

[warm crag]

why is this guy yellow

[fossil oasis]

i wasted 500

[sullen dove]

wot

[sullen dove]

why is this guy fuschia

[sudden tusk]

Spongie73

[warm crag]

he gave me a wrong talent string in 2023 he is not to be trusted

[fossil oasis]

bladestorm u waste a ton of rage tho anyway

[sullen dove]

yea bladestorm is maybe reasonable

but usually if ur like half rage before bladestorm u dont lose "that" much

[fossil oasis]

yea i lost 120

[sullen dove]

like i pmuch will always sling a ramp right before bs

[fossil oasis]

i am trying to understand if i am doing something fundamentally wrong

to have a 20% gap from other warriors with 268 ilvl

[sudden tusk]

If we didn't have unhinged we probably wouldn't even pay bladestorm still

Very mid button

[sullen dove]

uh i mean just comparing you to the slayer it seems u have a decent bit less rampages and way less bloodbath casts

[fossil oasis]

I didnt plan to join a guild so I didn't do my homework as usual but i joined and we are progging lura now and both warriors are bottom feeding

[sullen dove]

which might be a simple like priority checkup again on wowhead

and consequently like 11x more crushing blows than r1 slayer

so i think u should be trying to hit bb over cb in about every situation

in cds bloodbath is like your number 2 button after a rage capped rampage

then execute is like third

like bloodbath should be your 2nd highest damage probably above bladestorm

[fossil oasis]

I didnt get to execute much this time, I was soaking out of melee range

[sullen dove]

at least it is for this guy

yea its not like execute phase execute i mean mostly just the sudden deaths u get throughout the fight are important

[fossil oasis]

in p3

[sullen dove]

it still is nice to hit extra exe's in p3 but thats not a big deal

like a tiny part of executes value just being the like natty <20% executes that supercedes raging blow as a filler

[fossil oasis]

i am usng a bunch of impending victory too i guess

6

which is kinda cancer

[sullen dove]

eh yea i mean ideally you use zero but thats not a huge deal if ur gonna die u have to press it

the crushing blows are a far bigger issue

[fossil oasis]

i see

[sullen dove]

actively hitting a worse dmg button when i presume bloodbath is available

since u have half of his bb casts

[fossil oasis]

for sure

i played tww s1 and now this i am playing it almost like i did in tww

[sullen dove]

yea fury flip flops a ton between which button you spam press

most of the time its raging blow against everything in the game, in twws3 you even spammed it like 200 rage over rage cap which was stupid lol

but now staying under rage cap top priority for everything and bt/bb mogs rb/cb in every way

[fossil oasis]

enrage uptime is about same

92.7 top guy and i am 91.8

[sullen dove]

yea youd have to be playing pretty badly to have a much bigger than like 5-8% difference in enrage the games pretty forgiving in having you keep it up

top guy did also have his pretty low too

he pressed a lot less rampages than the thane

probably because he was holding reck/bs for add sets which means less rage gen and stuff

[fossil oasis]

i am doing that too

[sullen dove]

yea

[fossil oasis]

we are close to not killing them sometimes

[sullen dove]

its fine to do that just knowing it costs you a decent amount of boss dmg

yea having dks on that fight is pretty huge

especially blood dk for gorefiend

but yea i mean aside from just trying to have more casts of everything def focus alot more on bb and way less on cb

[fossil oasis]

this is our breakdown on adds

[sullen dove]

u also have more rb's and less bt's than him which is also not ideal

bt is king

depending on how much gold u have too looking at your beloren kill since most recent thing that was logged i can easily see getting chest/pants enchant is pretty significant

also if you have the myth crests from m+ to recraft your weapon to 285

[fossil oasis]

i did i did

[sullen dove]

o ok epic

[sullen dove]

uh i think there are better enchants for both of those idk what mark of nalorakk is

but something better than nothing at the least

[fossil oasis]

ok i am not made ofmoney xdd

they are like 20-25k gold

[sullen dove]

have u also simmed to see which feather is better? idk between crit/mast

yea thats fine then

your pbox does give mast tho so maybe yea you dont wanna use that one

[undone flower]

I mean, the first graph has a valley of 0 dps

[fossil oasis]

nalorak is 40 str instead of 50

[sullen dove]

o yea also true did the slayer die?

oh he did lmao wow

died in intermission

[fossil oasis]

i swapped in and out of it to test, ended up syncing with the crystals so it felt better

[sullen dove]

died and still r1 fury

kinda chad

[fossil oasis]

but i kinda hate it

[undone flower]

So don’t

[sullen dove]

yea box is pretty bad on most single target fights

and it could have some use for these adds sure but it shouldnt be crazy

they dont live that long

would say try to replace with some other raid trink as soon as possible

either vorasius or chimaerus would be the most ideal

[fossil oasis]

my other trinket is solarflare prsm

[sullen dove]

yea thats not horrible i think actually

[fossil oasis]

or the vestige

[sullen dove]

if u put the feather to mastery and use taht for crit

[fossil oasis]

all of them sim to like 0.% difference

[sullen dove]

but wow yea i didnt even realize this slayer was dead for 20 whole seconds on that lura kill

still rank1'd

bladestorm pad must be op i guess

now im sad i lost to him

[fossil oasis]

is it really padding if it lets other ppl spec single target and clear faster

[sullen dove]

@smoky vale mentality

w

i mean its not like egregious pad

they are significant adds that have to die

[undone flower]

loboz disciple

[viral urchin]

hi guys, can you please explain what enchant for weapons is the best? saw on wowhead that it's mastery or haste but on murloc a lot of players fo with streight one

[sullen dove]

its just like when it detracts from your own single target somewhat significantly then maybe its less ethical

tho if you are wiping to adds exploding then you gotta do what u gotta do

[fossil oasis]

its a threshold of aoe damage which must be met

fury ST is kinda dogshit anyway, you probably lose like 2-3k dps ST to let someone else spec pure ST and gain 5-10k

[sullen dove]

ppl sim enchants on raidbots to see which is best for them, most ppl probably using strength since at lower ilvls it's more powerful when you have less main stat and the enchant gives a bigger% of stats, but as you get more and more ilvl and get closer to max gear you'll have the most strength you can get and strength buff wont be as strong then, so thats when more secondaries to multiply with the higher strength probably starts winning out

like im using double strength at 276 and its already saying swapping to secondary stat enchants is like +100 dps but im not doin allat for 100 dps, when im like 285 or something then i'll prolly send it since it'll presumably be worth more, and also whenever i'll have a new myth weapon probably makes the most sense to swap over vs re-enchanting a heroic that'll hopefully be replaced within a few weeks

[viral urchin]

i see, thank you. so if i'm around 270 then can go with streight and come back to this question around 280-285 i assume

[sullen dove]

i mean if u really wanna know can try to plug your character into raidbots and pick all the enchants you want to try

but they should all be relatively even anyway yeah so its not a massive deal whichever one u want to choose if you dont want to sim

but strength or mastery is probably the safest bet since they both basically do the same thing, haste is cool too maybe but can mess with some potion of recklessness stuff if you use that one

[viral urchin]

understood, thanks a lot!

[haughty carbon]

Did u see top fury warior didnt cycle rampage and tc in higher key ?

[smoky vale]

@ me but ignore my dm

[sullen dove]

was that cuz it was noxiv who doesn’t have tclap and was playing slayer? Or it was a thane doing this

[smoky vale]

🥀

[haughty carbon]

Thane doing this, try it in key and yes, its good

[sullen dove]

either way I mean yeah ramp/tc cycling is done for the most overall/pad on 7+ targets but at that level it might not be unreasonably to focus your st/prio rotation if there are big mobs that need to die and a lot of small shitty mobs

[haughty carbon]

its more like : spend 3 rampage in the openner, and then, rampage > bloodbath > TC / TB / > rampage > bloodbath etc..

[sullen dove]

I’m sure ppl doing top keys are like thinking more about where damage needs to go most vs just mindlessly trying to get the highest dps number possible in the key

team work makes the dream work as they say there’s probably a lot of classes that can do waaaay more uncapped damage than fury can like mm hunters and shamans and stuff, so fury might just be focusing more on the priority targets

[sudden tusk]

Too much pad in the raid

I'm going to have to specifically play for pad if I want a base parses

[smoky vale]

its not pad if others st more

[sullen dove]

the best part about colossus arms is how you get more st by padding

essentially

[smoky vale]

its okay i got my first rank 1 i beat the expansion

[sullen dove]

or like the pad is a free bonus effect as a result of doing st

Demolish cdr farming with sweeping strikes is so pog man

[smoky vale]

new colo finna crank

[sudden tusk]

Well when the boss hits enrage and I've been killing 4 thousand echos on saladar I'm griefing

[sullen dove]

Could actually see arms going sicko mode on salhadaar too

just need surgical tank movement

Although if u hit enrage on salhadaar think it’s ur raid thats trolling…

[smoky vale]

can you cc the orbs or nah

[sullen dove]

no

[smoky vale]

so just cancer positioning

gg

[sullen dove]

yea mine were not stacked very well on kill

[smoky vale]

bc arms could just oneshot them surely

[sullen dove]

lost like 20k dmg from that probably

[smoky vale]

as arms i think youd need orbs to live through all of cs

which is like 20s

[sudden tusk]

Depends on your guild/situation

No right answer to pad or boss dam

[sullen dove]

Y u need allat

[smoky vale]

to get the most of the cd?

[sullen dove]

if they just are stacked and u have cds ready, war breaker demo cleave spam boom they die in like 10s probably

Then sweep the 2 big orbs

[smoky vale]

idk how long they live

[sullen dove]

chillbill

[smoky vale]

ive only killed one boss

[sullen dove]

decent amount of health

like 1.5mil maybe

not crazy but not nothing

[smoky vale]

[sudden tusk]

Yeah I have a dev evoker doing 40 gorillion pad with deep breath every set

[smoky vale]

its yime to level

[sullen dove]

deep breath poggers

dev evokers need to die on dragons stealing my pad

it’s actually crazy I thought the mm hunters in my raid were exploding balls with cds they were like 50k above the next highest dps like 2min in

but no that’s just them doing bonkers 2t boss dmg

sure man

[smoky vale]

laval

can i go group one

[sullen dove]

15mil dmg to both bosses 1mil dmg to balls

[smoky vale]

today

[sullen dove]

in doing like 8mil orbs and 6mil bosses

what does that mean

idc

[smoky vale]

chim

[sullen dove]

doubt you’ll parse higher anyway

[smoky vale]

[sullen dove]

Actually like 1 in a million situation u had

[smoky vale]

yap yap

[sullen dove]

Entire raid so bad as to not do any aoe but just good enough to barely kill the boss

[sudden tusk]

Mm hunter will not survive the fortnite

I play BM like a real hunter

[sturdy kindle]

Furt slayer is fun in mythics. I am having trouble keeping whirlwind up though hahhh any advice?

[sullen dove]

I like how hydra got nerfed from 65 to 35 And they’re still 40% higher than next dps on paladins

[sullen dove]

Just kinda hit it more

[sturdy kindle]

Word 🤣

[sullen dove]

There are some addons to show u stacks if u want

[warm crag]

Furt

[sullen dove]

or using in game cdm

[sturdy kindle]

Im using them i guess skill issue. Any good macros for it?

[warm crag]

what do you want the macro to do

there isnt one that trivializes the ww every 4 gcds minigame

[sturdy kindle]

Gotcha thought id ask.

[sullen dove]

yea u just simply have to hit the ww button every 5th button unfortunately it isn’t fun but it’s just the way it be

Thane feels a little nicer since u more naturally want to hit thunderblast/clap

[sturdy kindle]

Till it gets nerfed by 40%

🤣

[sullen dove]

Well yea fury is currently cooked come 0.5

but surely compensatory buffs

Cluegi

[sturdy kindle]

Is slayer fury cooked?

[sullen dove]

eh I mean it won’t change much

it’s just not that fantastic but it might be better than thane as it is now tbh idk

small quality of life with ww applying rend

[undone flower]

is it really pad ? (10T, i guess with giga pulls clap gets soft capped nerfed hard yes)

[sturdy kindle]

I guess arms is the play come 0.5

[sullen dove]

yea I mean hitting tclap on cd instead of bb is def detracting from main/prio target cleave but it’s not like it’s a 20% loss or anything

[sullen dove]

Colossus arms looks money as hell rn

it’s already op in keys and seems to just be getting better

[sturdy kindle]

Yeah fury needs 2 charges of bladestorm 👁️👄👁️

😭

slayer arms is pretty money right now as well

[sullen dove]

ya I think some small qol ups for that it’s just losing reaps on single target will hit both arms and fury st pretty bad

aoe should be mostly unaffected

but it’s not as though they’re particularly insane on aoe either

so surely both get some kind of compensation st buff

like “execute does 50-100% more damage” or something on hero talent tree

[spark coral]

darkmoon trinkets worth using?

[sullen dove]

basically replace what we lost with sudden death reap

probably not but can sim them

[valid pulsar]

how is it that arms slayer is top on salhadar heroic

[sturdy kindle]

Yeah i can see it. Only time will tell

[sturdy kindle]

💀💀💀

[junior gale]

[junior gale]

Slayer arms actually loses pretty much nothing only 1%

thanks to the talent change for Mortal wounds and BS buffs

[sullen dove]

3% pull

ig no secret phase so max just lying out here

[modest condor]

im pretty sure if there was a secret phase it would have been all over wowhead

[sullen dove]

idk max seemed to believe there was a few days ago when asked he's like "yea 99% sure"

but idk

[young swan]

isnt it like already a 10 minute fight

unless if it goes to like 12, which they havent done since like... jailer, i feel like its pretty unlikely

[sullen dove]

something happening at 5% couldve made sense but since they passed that almost guaranteed not possible anymore

unless they pull like a hard troll and its guldan style didnt you have to fully kill guldan for illidan to spawn?

[young swan]

yeah

[sullen dove]

maybe something like that xalatath just pulls up right after u kill boss lol

[young swan]

yeah the only thing thats weird is that you have the illidan crystal just like chilling the entire fight

[sullen dove]

i think that would be like... cinematically really cool/interesting but psure racers would haaaaate the fuck outta their lives

[young swan]

so its hinted at

[sullen dove]

yea

[young swan]

theres like actually nothing hinting towards it here

[sullen dove]

idk i mean xal does just kind of appear out of nowhere in the middle of the beam in the cinematic moments after boss dies

[young swan]

i feel like the "secret phase" that max was talking about was just the raid being split for p3

[young swan]

yeah thats true

[sullen dove]

could see some crazy theme supernova of her popping out and sylvanas like helps u fight her lol

tho that would be so out of left field

[warm crag]

sylvaner

[sullen dove]

yea they already kinda like right away knew that was happening in dungeon journal tho

[smoky vale]

who got 3%

[modest condor]

liquid

[young swan]

liqid

[sullen dove]

i dont think jailer p4 or illidan phase on guldan was in journal

[modest condor]

no but jailer p4's existence was known about before the raid even opened

[junior gale]

yeah wasnt it datamined

[sullen dove]

yea i mean idk how easy/common knowledge it is to find that info like that is what max had said that every time there is a secret phase they know before hand

but idk echo seemed really surprised that sylvanas didnt die at 50% hp

[warm crag]

you are a max shill

[sullen dove]

ok

[modest condor]

if it gets datamined then wowhead will know about it and make an article about it

[warm crag]

get cooked bud

[sullen dove]

sauteed

[modest condor]

technically they could have known about that, it just wasnt 100% sure

[sullen dove]

yea

[modest condor]

there was a mechanic that had a value of 50% on heroic and 45% on mythic

it's just

how do you link that to the hp the boss dies at

it could be literally anything

[sudden tusk]

Youd expect a 10 or 15% to be a secret phase

[warm crag]

why is lura dying not a psosible secret phase trigger

[sullen dove]

jailer was 5

[young swan]

it could be that the phase just remain encrypted until l'ura dies or some shit

[sullen dove]

yea thats also possible

[young swan]

wasnt the aberrus legendary just like

[warm crag]

like illidan

[sullen dove]

guldan was on death

[young swan]

almost 100% invisible

[fast grail]

Is there a mastery cap when we get diminishing returns?

[young swan]

until the kill

[smoky vale]

no

you just wear what robot says

[sullen dove]

yea i mean they could have potentially gotten better at hiding secret phases too

it has been like.. over 2 expansions since the last one

[fast grail]

what robo

[smoky vale]

raidbots.com

[warm crag]

does gally count

[sullen dove]

copium i want to see something crazy at the end of the boss

i dont think so

[modest condor]

we knew with fairly high certainty that there was something about a legendary in the tier, we just didnt know the details

[warm crag]

i mean he had a new phase

[sullen dove]

they knew some shit was up with an incomplete dungeon journal

but like.. nothing was that out of the ordinary

was just completely recycled heroic mechanics for the most part

[modest condor]

but that's usually how secret phases work as well, something gets datamined that isnt in the dungeon journal and doesnt seem to be anywhere in the fight

[sullen dove]

like gallywix is same as alleria p2/3 but idk if that really counts as a secret phase either

like something is up with the bosses for sure but its not as secret as like, absolutely 0 mention of jailer in dungeon journal i think

though tbh they do actually resemble argus and nzoth

who both had like a flavor text p3 that didnt describe any mechanics

so ig that is how they've looked in the past

guldan's doesnt mention illidan at all though

so i suppse guldan and jailer are the main two like "true secrets" that have 0 reference to anything extra happening in journal, where argus/nzoth/gally/alleria all had a similar "something extra happening is here and we're telling you it exists but you dont know what!!!"

so possibly lura is like jailer/guldan

[smoky vale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/760970662474547271/1490212870644957419/DOGNERD.gif

u rn

[sullen dove]

shut the hell up mane

[young swan]

i agree with swordish

die gio

[smoky vale]

@crisp hawk why he bully

[sullen dove]

w

retweet

[smoky vale]

will laval play destro today

or will he be shot

[sullen dove]

on destro bosses ya sure

archimonde also has the p3 flavor text journal but no ability mentions

guldan and jailer stay winning i guess

think mythic vs heroic garrosh is the same p3 name too though

so ig that doesnt mention the special stormwind phase

garrosh joins the chads of guldan and jailer truegi

[vestal root]

fellas genuine question because im stoopid, arms or fury for futureproofing? i prefer fury kinda but i dont mind arms that much

[sullen dove]

holy xan 2

thought xan 1 was typing

[vestal root]

ah shit

i got that last time i was here

oh i got newbie badge again

awesome

[smoky vale]

holy xan 2

[sullen dove]

fury is prolly more jack of all trades

[vestal root]

i know thane is getting kinda fudged but i dont mind slayer fury

[sullen dove]

but barring some possible fury buffs surely arms is definitely about to demolish it (haha literally) on aoe come 0.5

[modest condor]

xan 3 you mean

[smoky vale]

bro also has similar looking pfps

[modest condor]

@queen coyote

is xan 2

[sullen dove]

fury/arms probably about even st tho after nerfs

just same caveat arms loses a lot of st to do aoe fury loses like nothing

idk no harm in trying/figuring out both

[modest condor]

fury is getting nuked in 0.5

[vestal root]

:/

[smoky vale]

also arms aoe

is a lot more burst

and less over long periods of time

[vestal root]

blizzard not nerfing warrior in season 1 challenge failed

[sullen dove]

thunderclap very strong!!

almost like 60% of another caster dps's add pad in raid and m+!

[vestal root]

i had to swap back and forth in TWW it kinda pissed me off ngl

[sullen dove]

nerfed cuz a dev playing boomkin complained a good warrior ate all his orbs on dragon boss

[vestal root]

i also blame casters yeah

[unborn delta]

🔮 magical ball please tell me: will fury or arms be better in 12.0.05

🔮 : swap to enhance shaman

[sudden heath]

random question, when does the gilded stash at the end of tier 11 delves start giving Myth crests? I've capped Hero and Champion crests and this bitch just gave me Veteran crests.

[sullen dove]

the orb speaks nothing but the truth

[vestal root]

id swap but i rly dont feel like regearing another class and getting professions up

[sullen dove]

need to have rank 4 delve journey but if you already opened all 4 gilded caches without rank4 delve you wont get myths this week

[vestal root]

maybe next expansion lol

[smoky vale]

@dapper goblet might have discovered this ball years ago

[sudden heath]

thank you

[unborn delta]

My stupid chud alt dk that only goes to guild splits got myth guidon + myth chest from vault so I might get forced onto that if they make warrior bench-tier 😔 and need 7 dks for final boss again

[vestal root]

chud knight

[marble swift]

i cant think of a more useless button than commanding shout

[vestal root]

Rend

[marble swift]

ok

well

[vestal root]

kidding

[marble swift]

i kind of agree lmao

[noble pulsar]

the play button to log into my warrior

[vestal root]

Arms shjould be big hits big crits big executes and not bleeds waaaagh

[winter shoal]

I think both fury and arms having viable bleed-focused builds would be cool

Different damage profile type beat

[smoky vale]

i hate bleeds

[vestal root]

i feel like we have a class that does that well

[winter shoal]

Something like deadly ailments support in POE where you have reduced initial hit damage but more dots

[vestal root]

shouldnt be on warrior too

idk, cant decide, wanna invest more into gear and upgrades but i worry if i all in on fury and it turns out arms is a better stable pick for rest of this tier ill feel like ass lule

[young swan]

feel like there isnt a single class in the game that makes more sense to have bleeds than warrior

not required up keep bleeds

but our shit should make people bleed

which is why bloodbath should be a cooldown again!

[warm crag]

new xan just dropped

[vestal root]

idk, rogues and ferals do it well

[vestal root]

[winter shoal]

sin rogue type beat or

Me when garrote and rupture

[warm crag]

idk assa feels more poison coded than bleed coded

[vestal root]

how about both

[young swan]

why would an assassin focus on bleeding an enemy

conceptually it makes 0 sense

sin is definitely more poison coded

[winter shoal]

Xan who do you think uses a garrote

It's the first word

[young swan]

garrotes arent used to bleed someone u just kill them

[vestal root]

everyone dies by bleeding out :DDDD

[young swan]

why are they bleeding

[vestal root]

unless you are a ghost

[warm crag]

need to manifest another gingiemp

[unborn delta]

garrote makes you suffucute

rogue dot should make them not breate and the longer they hold their breath the more damage they deal 🤔

[eternal sundial]

MM hunter mogs you bub

[sullen dove]

arent garrotes literally slicing your neck open

vs bleeding from anywhere randomly

[modest condor]

i thought it was more about suffocating/cutting off blood flow

not slicing the neck open

[eternal sundial]

i thought it was like an iron wire

and you choke to death

but it will cut into the skin a bit cuz you pull on it hard

[sullen dove]

mayb

[eternal sundial]

idk i dont wanna be garroted

i think

[sullen dove]

figure yea a thin metal wire is cutting something at least

maybe not the primary function tho

yea probably good call

if i had to guess

[young swan]

i think this is just a byproduct but not the main purpose

the end goal is suffocation

and yeah usually its an iron wire

sometimes also piano string i think

[eternal sundial]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdIbILKWPFU

[sullen dove]

ok calling it need to see a guldan style secret phase on boss death or tier is cringe

[eternal sundial]

like this is what i think of

[young swan]

barbed wire garrote is a thing as well maybe but kind of pointless

[sullen dove]

https://tenor.com/view/absolute-cinema-raccoon-absolute-cinema-gif-17862327649353748812

[eternal sundial]

this tier is cringe

[sullen dove]

a little but boss is really cool

blizz just needs to farm some easy w's and pogchamps

[eternal sundial]

boss is cool

[young swan]

every tier since argus has been cringe #tbh

[eternal sundial]

staggered release is HORRIBLE

[vestal root]

REAL

[sullen dove]

i mean its horrible for us as viewers and them as raiders

[eternal sundial]

bro agreed wit himself

[sullen dove]

staggered release means nothing to us as raiders tho

[eternal sundial]

i liked fyrakk

but as echo if you lose this

[vestal root]

people talking about lura mechanics like its scifi but people in ffxiv did these mechanics with no addons lol

[eternal sundial]

this has to be a mega tilter

[warm crag]

im sending emps so we wont see a kill today

[sullen dove]

w spongus

[eternal sundial]

ff14 when ff15 comes in

[sullen dove]

yea i mean the only ff like mechanic is the memory game

[eternal sundial]

league of legend

[vestal root]

league of ancients 2: midnight

[vagrant rain]

Hi guys! 😄
Recently crafted my bis weapon... And I had some sparks left! Should I craft my wrists bis next mayhaps?

[eternal sundial]

simulation in the nation

[sullen dove]

but psure it wouldnt be possible to do that memory game in ff communicating over 3 different phases

at least cant like... think of how it would be done other than some other boss tells

like which way his pinky finger is pointing or some shit

[vestal root]

ultimate alexander has similar thing

people do it fine

[eternal sundial]

the pitch of its moans

are the colors of the symbols

clearly

[iron portal]

Last good boss was Hogger change my mind

[vestal root]

new mechanic: sylvanas moaning

hidden phase

[sullen dove]

does it actually make different sounds for the notes

surely not

that would be sick though

[eternal sundial]

i have no idea

[warm crag]

what if the hidden phase is just teleporting into sanctum and you do the mythic sylv fight again

all glorious 15 minutes of it

[eternal sundial]

what if it has no phase

[vestal root]

wasnt alleria kinda sylvanas 2 anyways

[eternal sundial]

and the race ends on echo going to bed

[eternal sundial]

counter argument

sylvanas 3

[vestal root]

hmmmm

xpac aint over until we fight all the windrunners

[eternal sundial]

alleria, sylvanas, forgot the name

[vestal root]

vereesa

arator too no?

[eternal sundial]

right the one that discovers cards

[iron portal]

There was also younger brother that died

Inb4 they bring him back

[vestal root]

im sick of windrunners man

bring back garrosh

[iron portal]

We used to be sick of thrall

[eternal sundial]

im so glad i dont care for story

[gilded smelt]

john windrunner?

[iron portal]

Then sylvanas

Now windrunners

[eternal sundial]

windrunner?

i hardly know er

[vestal root]

thing is, thrall was MC of warcraft 3 kinda

so as much as i was sick of him i didnt mind in the end

[sullen dove]

well then i think they would be well practiced and 1shot the boss true

[eternal sundial]

WC3 was 2000 years ago

[vestal root]

im not old ok

[eternal sundial]

change the comp then xddd

[iron portal]

What about wc2

[gilded smelt]

what about diablo immortal don't you have phones

[vestal root]

gonna hit 30 this year time to go into retirement home (warlock discord)

[eternal sundial]

WC2 = was created 2 (as in year 2 after christ)

idk man its crazy how wow classic is like one of the best games of all time

and now we have this slop

[warm crag]

you werent able to operate a car when that released

[vestal root]

argh fuggggkkk i like both fury and arms i cant decide

[eternal sundial]

you said you are 30

[gilded smelt]

why not both

[eternal sundial]

the choice has been made

[fading bane]

You dont have to decide if u just sit on the bench

big brain

[undone flower]

what about WCL

[vestal root]

maybe late in season but atm with crafted gear kinda hard yknow

im not as hardcore as some of you guys unfortunately

[gilded smelt]

aren't stats same idk

[eternal sundial]

if u swap rings and necks it usually is ok no

[iron portal]

And many people are rediscovering it now. It is indeed magical

[eternal sundial]

like from previous exacs u just crafted h/m

and ur fine for both

idk this tier

[vestal root]

mastery haste vs crit haste

[eternal sundial]

just hm and find big crit jewellery

[vestal root]

whats hm

[eternal sundial]

haste mast

[vestal root]

ah

[unborn delta]

Pit of saron neck + xenas ring + pit ring