fury

[spring lantern]

And you don't rely on orbs for a parse as much

[past wyvern]

In hero the orbs literally dies before being grouped anyway

I dont bother hitting them especially anymore, they just get clapped while im still on boss

[rare garnet]

top arms logs are still padding the fuck out of orbs

but its probably more that arms is so bad at padding orbs, that they just kinda, dont worry too much, so have just low damage parses regardless, vs fury who has the tools to pad so its generally just higher pad

[tardy hedge]

why vers?

[spring lantern]

It's ~3% of whichever stat you take, multiplicative, all of them will give you similar damage, Vers will give you dr as well

The others will likely be a bit more damage sure

Idk if the change they made to the mastery one makes it multiplicative rather than additive, it used to be +85 mastery or something like that

[spring lantern]

Is this heroic or mythic? I didn't actually look into any logs just overall Vs boss dam for mythic

[rare garnet]

heroic

since that was specifically what was mentioned

but rank 100 arms log does have nearly 0 pad, so to get in the top 100 you really dont need to pad at all, which is different than fury

and thats probably more to do with just not having good tools to pad cause boss damage isn't really that much better than fury, if at all, so you do same boss, don't help with adds, and just generally seems like... but why, to me

[spring lantern]

Oh yeah on heroic it's pretty similar

I mostly just wanted to see how it felt in case I go arms for mythic, and enjoyed not having to worry about adds so much

Pressed whirlwind a couple of times when I couldn't resist, no idea if it was worth

[tardy hedge]

how ppl having 6 sparks when i see max is 5?

[olive cobalt]

There's an uncapped one from campaign iirc

[spark stone]

one extra from the world tour

[mossy lichen]

yeah that

[olive cobalt]

ha world tour

[spark stone]

from doign those weekly events in 4 zones

[tardy hedge]

so should i do first some other quest to get one more spark

[spark stone]

you take quest from lor'themar

[tardy hedge]

and then finish world tour

i m waiting for singularity to finish it

[spark stone]

it doesnt count in those 5

[tardy hedge]

oh

okay

ty

[untold yacht]

guys would you take mythic 2h from vault of mythic tier chest? Chest sims 2k+ dps, wepaon only 1k but its a weapon in offhand

i dont know what to choose

would also weapon being ilvl higher be better and putting main hand craft in offhand?

[summer quail]

Yes

[spare steppe]

2h are harder to come by than chest

[untold yacht]

oki

[spare steppe]

Since you can get mythic chest from DR, whereas 2h is from the 5th boss

[untold yacht]

I mean I am not mythic raiding 😄

[deft palm]

Are we always supposed to pop odyns fury before CDs?

[tardy hedge]

u want to pop odyn fury after cds u get 5 stack of rampaging berserker

first spell after pop up ur cds u got that 5 stack only for like 4-5 sec

[quiet osprey]

am I dumb? I always press bloodbath first, thought it gave a bleed buff

so all this time I thought it was bloodbath buffing bleed and not bloodthirst 🤦‍♂️

[dry hawk]

It's kinda amazing how much more damage you do when you ignore Tclap except when you have a tblast during 1-4 targets and spam BB/BT instead, obv keeping ww stacks up

[lofty seal]

dont you only spam clap when there are 7+ targets or am i doing it wrong

[dry hawk]

I mean, I spam clap/ramp on 5/6+

[lofty seal]

hm, im worried if i spam tb/tc too much its gonna suck when they nerf it in 1205

[dry hawk]

Hopefully they buff some ST to compensate

[lofty seal]

https://tenor.com/view/haikyuu-tanaka-praying-pray-volleyball-gif-27490673

[olive cobalt]

How do you all deal with the third boss in skyreach ? Eat the downtime ?

[hardy shuttle]

Praying the bird gets kited behind the pillar

[dense elbow]

Third is the crow? Ye, if you cant live it, ya just hide - it aint pure downtime tho, you can still slap the bird jr

[ember garden]

only spam clap at 7+ targets during avatar otherwise you're losing damage

[dry hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/thor-gif-20402854

[ember garden]

it is nice being able to just throw a tclap in there and not having to worry about absolutely squeezing out the iww buff though

[dry hawk]

Has it always been 7?

[ember garden]

no idea just what the current tuning is

[dry hawk]

I've been prot keys because people wouldn't take me as fury lol

[earnest tiger]

afaik yes people just constantly misread >6 as 6+

[ember garden]

yeah i had to grind out some io and ilvl as prot too just way faster doing it that way

[dry hawk]

I got declined to keys till I was 268/2600io prot lol

Then I swapped fury

[fiery hare]

the trick is to sign together with ret pally

[eternal compass]

Sign as uhdk or dev dh and swap after invite

[heavy dock]

oh.. it did feel like we had sparks a bit too soon makes sense lol

[pearl oracle]

slayer now better for m+?

[winter shoal]

Most people play thane but if you want to play slayer then live your life

[tight ruin]

Nerfs haven’t gone out so no

[somber elk]

do we know the % for the thane nerfs and slayer buffs already?

[smoky nacelle]

#updates-midnight message

[somber elk]

i Mean what we lose in aoe and st %

[smoky nacelle]

won't know till the changes drop and we sim it

[winter shoal]

-a few % in single target for both specs, thane loses more the higher the target count

not sure about slayer aoe

Just based on napkin math

Don't think those changes are in simc yet because there might still be more changes before .5 goes out so it'd be throwaway work

[south kayak]

Yep

There might be tuning for those changes

[winter shoal]

I wouldn't be surprised if they wanted to get functional changes in first and numerical changes in later

That's generally what they did during beta/ptr I believe

But they also marked the .5 build as an RC so

Maybe I'm just smoking that good good

[misty parcel]

Hello there, quick question. Is the prio stat now crit ? I've seen a lot of big warriors switching to the ~40+% mastery to like 20 so they can spend a lot more in crit.

Why is it that worth to switch prio stat for this season ?

[winter shoal]

For arms maybe, for fury probably not. The best answer is always to sim your own character based on the gear that you have available to you

[misty parcel]

I already do sim - I'm more like curious about the meta since most raid bis trinket are meant to skyrocket the crit's stat -

[winter shoal]

If you're simming your character you don't need to worry about the details of one stat vs another

[misty parcel]

If there's a reason between this crit rush.

[toxic flare]

Question when you guys sim do patchwork one boss or multiple?

[winter shoal]

the meta is to do as much damage as you can, and the sim will tell you what gear will do the most damage

[toxic flare]

Since raid has no single target fights

[misty parcel]

Well I would like to understand how the stat is working first..!

[winter shoal]

I do 1 target 5 mins and 5 target 5 mins

[misty parcel]

Multi ! ^^

[toxic flare]

Ok ty

[warm crag]

st since thats the only damage that matters really

[valid vigil]

i see alot of people switching to arms are we cooked?

[warm crag]

we're already overkilling pretty much every add that needs to die

[misty parcel]

Nerf on it's way.

On avatar's first empowered thunder clap.

Meanwhile, hunters :

[warm crag]

arms is really good for m+ and relevant for one boss in raid idk where you're seeing ppl switch to arms

[iron portal]

They stopped playing with their legs and switched to arms

[bitter palm]

most m+ are still fury for some reason

arms is better

[quiet geyser]

You're just seeing arms higher on the charts due to more guilds killing paladin bosss

Which is an arms fight

[serene kraken]

where can I find good UI, blizard have FUCKED me

[winter shoal]

Can't be saying ts man people will believe you

cone trying to rage bait in #fury , tale as old as time

[winter shoal]

There are still plenty of good UI addons - elvui still works if you've used that in the past. If you're looking for something premade and free, luxthos has profiles for all classes on his website, and critcake has his complete UI available for free in his discord

I generally encourage building your own UI tailored to your needs, but if you're just looking for something quick and easy, those are probably good starting points. You can also pay for things like atrocityUI, naowhUI, etc

[bitter palm]

[drowsy glen]

guys does thunder blast takes priority on single target after rampage when avatar is active?!

[gritty locust]

The stat priority for fury is diffrent then arms. Is it worth it to switch after nerf if your build is mastery heavy ?

[fading sky]

i mean switching just means what?

changing rings and amu

just farm em

[spring lantern]

i simmed swapping all my mastery i could swap to crit, and it was a 1% gain for arms, it really isnt that deep

i guess it would feel nicer to get more crit for rage gen?

[unborn delta]

and enchants and recraft and farming trinkets

[fossil oasis]

how big is the 4piece on aoe?

[smoky vale]

not as big as you think

most of your damage in aoe is tc and tb

[fossil oasis]

[haughty carbon]

why arms is "better" in higher key ? someone can explain?

[unborn delta]

pack live longer -> cd line up more better -> more dam in aoe

in 10s when group is good your stuff isnt up in time for start of next pack

[haughty carbon]

okay i see

[dry hawk]

Ava/reck are like 45s CDs in my groups, rampage is casted so much

[normal shuttle]

anyone have a way to have a sound notification when >100 rage?

[serene kraken]

How do I get a rage bar in the middle of screen

[winter shoal]

Lots of addons can do this, sensei resource bar is probably the easiest if you only want that

[serene kraken]

is it not possible with CDM?

[winter shoal]

Not in the CDM no

You can use the personal resource display but that'll also show your hp, and won't show the rage number IIRC

[serene kraken]

Man why did they have to do this shit

@winter shoal cheers for help tho

[winter shoal]

They had to remove addons so people wouldn't solve the lura memory game with them

Oh wait

[serene kraken]

@winter shoal for sensei do u know the command to open it

[winter shoal]

No clue

I don't use it

[serene kraken]

ok

[deft palm]

for how "brain dead" fury is tey got a decent amount of buttons to press

[olive wraith]

4?

[lofty seal]

who says its braindead

[jade crest]

Hi guys. What do you prefer for food buff? Secondary stat or main stat?

[buoyant gyro]

Hi, are you guys lacking in single-target as well? AOE seems to be fine, but on bosses i perform very poorly

[winter shoal]

<@&257983573498265600>

[olive wraith]

Wow it’s not Mr beast this time

[noble edge]

lawl dudee

[winter shoal]

nsfw discords are the wildest concept to me

like who is gooning and is thinking man I gotta share this with the homies

[proud vessel]

what are our best weapon enchants? My sim is different from wowhead guide

[somber elk]

what your sim says is correct

[tepid beacon]

for the crafted gear for BiS weapon and bracers, is it best to use missive of feverflare (haste/mastery) on both I'm guessing

[olive wraith]

Safe bet. Just sim the rest of your gear as you get it

[tepid beacon]

ok will do ty

[normal yoke]

Hey folks, I recall there being a site a while back that would show you the most common builds and gear people were clearing dungeons/raids with.
I'm trying to see if people in higher level keys (12+) are still using the Thane M+ build on Wowhead, or if there are relevant deviations from that build as you climb key levels.

[ancient imp]

https://www.archon.gg/

[quiet osprey]

https://murlok.io/

[haughty carbon]

little question plz, i know there is very good theorycraft here, ptr change doesnt seem to be definitive, but there is any chance war fury stay competitive in MM+ after 12.0.5 ? im pushing high key in fury and i think im gonna kill myself if i need to respec arms mid season

[olive wraith]

Pretty sure standard thane is fine up through like 15s

[olive wraith]

What’s your end goal

[remote bobcat]

french ben hello nice to see u again

[haughty carbon]

try to get 0.1%, actually im 3440 and only push in fury

[haughty carbon]

Hello haha !

and my dream is to stay fury x)

[olive wraith]

Slayer might be fine

Thane looks dead if nothing changes

[haughty carbon]

Yes for your answer i appreciate 🙂

[fading sky]

M+ or raid

And poor compared 2?

An uh dk with lust and pot?

Coz u will

[somber thicket]

Why is second trinked from dreamrift so bad roled on it 99....

[fading sky]

Thane could still be fine, though weird they want 2 reduce the mass aoe

[olive wraith]

If nothing changes? Idk man

That’s a shit ton of aoe

For keys I mean

[buoyant gyro]

Both raid and M, compared to majority of classes

I dont have 4 set tho, perhaps that a big dps loss

[fading sky]

Prio just changes to only clap like wf

[fading sky]

Sorry no

[olive wraith]

Wdym

[fading sky]

Also fury does sim on thr loe end

[fading sky]

Ww

So only to enable stacks

So bt-rb-exe more

[olive wraith]

Sure but you’re still missing out on a lot of aoe compared to live

Isn’t clap top damage in keys

[quiet osprey]

it is

[olive wraith]

And you’re also missing out on a little st too

Since I imagine rb>clap if avatar is up

[quiet osprey]

not sure I understand that? You rb > clap anyway (with no TB procs)? Or is cooeficient more efficient on clap?

[olive wraith]

I swear clap>rb if avatar is active

I’d have to check again though

[edgy widget]

Clap is better than RB during Avatar, if you don't have Wrath & Fury (which most Thane builds don't), it's even better than CB

after the PTR changes, that will no longer be the case, but I'm fairly confident they're going to do some amount of tuning, as the changes alone would otherwise constitute a massive nerf to all Warrior specs across the board
so I really wouldn't worry about it right now

[olive wraith]

Archi the beacon of hope

[edgy widget]

I'm not saying it's necessarily gonna turn out for the better, just that it doesn't quite seem like they're done yet

[quiet osprey]

hmmm, interesting, blow is 345% and clap is 236%*1.5 (from avatar)=354%

checks out, and I might be missing some clap modifiers

oh I was in slayer that's why 🤦‍♂️ yeah it beats CB as well

[winter shoal]

Raw AP% values also only mean so much

[edgy widget]

CB does generate more rage, so it's not quite as clear cut as it looks, but that's generally not a major consideration during Recklessness anyway

[fossil oasis]

i just hate thane so much

[edgy widget]

it's ok to be wrong

[fossil oasis]

it just doesnt do neuron activation like slayer

[quiet osprey]

yeah, u sim both, but ig it gives a general idea

[olive wraith]

What’s neuron activating in slayer

[edgy widget]

the spins

but Blizz is crippling that so...

[winter shoal]

Thane does have too much going on during reck but once you make peace with the fact that you ignore 75% of it, it feels pretty okay

[edgy widget]

it
that's all you need

[winter shoal]

Me when I let 2xSD expire so I can instead press a raw TC

[gusty fern]

hey guys
does shattering throw works on paladin boss ?

[fossil oasis]

you load up the big bladestorm

[quiet osprey]

too true

[fading sky]

Thane is the clapper. Im somewhat fine with cd increase, but should boost dmg so every clap claps more!

[fossil oasis]

and do insane spinning

[edgy widget]

frankly I think the real fault of there is that Thane shouldn't have to spec into SD to begin with

[winter shoal]

It does, but it's better if a priest mass dispels them so you can use wrecking throw on the sacred shield

[gusty fern]

ty

[fossil oasis]

thane would do neuron activation if the supa tclap was like a huge boom of damage, instead it just feels floppy to me

[lunar mountain]

something thats been on my mind for a while now
is there a practical reason that Improved Whirlwind is still hard capped on 5 targets and not at least soft capped at 5?
its been 10 years since target caps and we are the only class that still has hard caps

[olive wraith]

Thane fx is peak

I agree TB should do more damage

[fossil oasis]

fx is peak, but when it does nothing in damage numbers it feels stupid

[quiet osprey]

thane = shaman, slayer = warrior

[winter shoal]

Not sure I necessarily agree, I think a bleed-focused build prioritizing BT and exe should be viable for both hero specs, but either way that was just an example of my point

Which tbf they're addressing anyways via the tc change

[fiery tide]

theres not too much respecing needed, the bis pieces are kinda shared between the two specs

[fossil oasis]

also the tclap animaton should be instant, while now it loads up the foot and stomps

feels laggy af

[olive wraith]

Slayer=rogue

[fossil oasis]

rogues dont do huge bladestorming

[quiet osprey]

nah man, slayer really feels like conan

[fossil oasis]

slayer is barbarian berserker

[olive wraith]

Reap gives me fan of knives vibes

[lunar mountain]

what is best in life?

[olive wraith]

BS is still an arms ability to me

[fossil oasis]

thane should have been "the avatar of the titan" so make me huge and make me slowed but throw out stupid havy hits

[sly dock]

is it normal for bladestorm to be so low? when i look at sims bladestorm is usually much more of the total damage

[fossil oasis]

not this clapping bs

[quiet osprey]

to crush your enemies, see them driven before you

[lunar mountain]

what else?

[olive wraith]

Congrats you’ve described Colo

[quiet osprey]

we like women here sir 💅

[winter shoal]

Amen

[lunar mountain]

fair, glory be

[winter shoal]

Sims include both main hand and offhand for bladestorm, as well as the unhinged casts they trigger

[quiet osprey]

colo arms is a great fantasy for me, and slayer fury, thane is mountain king and part of the lore for a long time, but ehhhh

lightning warrior doesn't sit right

[sly dock]

oooh that makes sense

[fossil oasis]

i am just really disliking warrior this time around

idk

[winter shoal]

Then don't play it big dog

[stoic loom]

thing is at the end of the day this rotation minmaxing feels so small to me

[winter shoal]

Lots of classes in the game

[edgy widget]

I didn't say Exe shouldn't be viable, I just said that it doesn't need SD, yet it is forced into it

[stoic loom]

i often just send the sudden death instead of clap and do other lil mistakes like that

and still finish keys above 160-170k dps

still orange/pink log every fight

[winter shoal]

That is your right to do 🫡

[stoic loom]

its genuinely so small

[fossil oasis]

also like execute you are trying to kill off your opponent exploiting his low health and using all your power into a sngle huge hit

and it does like 20k?

[edgy widget]

it usually is

[winter shoal]

It is, and I agree with your implicit assertion that most people need not concern themselves with that kind of thing and would likely benefit more from improving their fundamental gameplay. I just happen to enjoy looking for and playing around small optimizations

There's no wrong answers if you're having fun

[stoic loom]

i didnt even know you were supposed to spam thunderclap every other global in high target count until recently and was still doing large damgur

[winter shoal]

(as long as you aren't griefing others)

[edgy widget]

Execute has never been a "single huge hit" it's just another attack you use

[quiet osprey]

i wouldn't exactly call that small hahahha

[edgy widget]

I mean it's not huge either

[stoic loom]

it really isnt as big as you think tho

[edgy widget]

vs 10 targets its like a 3-5% optimization or something

[quiet osprey]

but i play the same way when thane, i hate clap->ramp, feels clunky

[stoic loom]

over a long key it'll amount to a tiny differnce

im actually glad theyre nerfing the cdr to clap in avatar cos most of the time i still send BTs instead of clap every other global because it feels better

its the nerf to the direct hit that i think is problematic

and largely unwarranted

[quiet osprey]

I think that's the general consensus, yeah, double nerfs are always iffy

[winter shoal]

this is 8t with the TC spam line just removed from the APL

[stoic loom]

I honestly wouldnt be surprised if we got no compensation buffs after the 12.0.5 nerfs

but if archi is hopeful then we'll see 🤷‍♂️

[winter shoal]

I would consider that significant, but still much less significant in the context of an entire key than efficient routing and pulling

[stoic loom]

if it were 3-5% to your overall yeah i agree

but its 3-5% to a few pulls

[fossil oasis]

what's the target breakpoint where tclap becomes better than any other ability even while having cleavng stacks

[edgy widget]

outside of Avatar you mean?

[fossil oasis]

outside of cds yea

[edgy widget]

it'd be very high, didn't really bother to look because you use TClap close to on cooldown regardless

[fossil oasis]

in cds its prio 2 after odyn fury if i read correctly

[edgy widget]

it's not something you can just spam like Whirlwind

[fossil oasis]

is there an addon that can show damage even from aoe grouped up?

msbt used to do it last expansion but now it doesnt idk

[winter shoal]

I don't believe addons can read the combat log anymore, and they changed floating combat text as well

So I think the answer is no, but don't quote me on that

[undone flower]

you deleted the whole line ?

bc i get this if i delete tc spam and this if i delete the line (no ww stacks basically)

[quiet osprey]

there is 0% chance that no ww is -5.5%

[undone flower]

playing thane

[vale prism]

anyone got a good list of bis fury gear? im seeing so many different things on different sites

[olive wraith]

Ignore Bis lists for now

Just sim yourself

[vale prism]

ahh okay

[undone flower]

without caring about ww stacks you still have some passive ones (deleted ww stacks / tc spam line)

[dry hawk]

Bis is great if we don't get nerfed

[knotty hill]

So with the nerf to thane, will slayer pull ahead on aoe?

[winter shoal]

Oh good shout I removed the whole line instead of just the last bit

ty for fact checking me happy

[fiery edge]

does alt also have the chance to drop catalyst if your main already 4 piece?

[vale prism]

does this disc update the wowhead guides or icyveigns?

[winter shoal]

Yes Archi writes both

[vale prism]

nice

[undone flower]

dw i was just unsure bowl bc when i simmed the prio dmg difference of tc spam or no tc spam it was basically neutral, that's why i found it odd

[winter shoal]

I think it's one of those things that matters more the higher the target count is

But how often are you actually fighting 12 mobs in practice

[undone flower]

i dont remember which target counts soft 5t = 0 marginal gain

[winter shoal]

Well you don't do tc spam below 7 targets so

[undone flower]

or basically 0

[winter shoal]

That's probably the breakpoint

Or do you mean what target count starts the soft cap

[vale prism]

both updated 16th of last month??

anything more recent lol

[undone flower]

i mean at which target count above 5, an extra target add almost no dmg bc soft capped

isn't it like 15 ? i vaguely remember sry

[winter shoal]

Oh not sure, I pretty much never sim above 5t anyways

That'd be a question for archi or sarri

[dry hawk]

That is still fine, nerf isn't till .5 patch

[winter shoal]

Probably not because nothing of note has happened since then

[undone flower]

yeah i never sim with more than default number of actors / 10 being the max, but i remember soft cap 5 goes fast into oblivion, from ww monk cap issues

the reason algethar first pull you watch others have fun

i saw a shadow priest hit 1m dps

[woven valley]

Gotta love blizzard making rules for us but letting other classes do whatever they want

[stoic loom]

You re gonna love not even hitting 500k with more ilvl if the 12.0.5 changes go through kekw

[spark junco]

do we pop anything prekey

[undone flower]

Your combat potion if you really want

[winter shoal]

Yeah a nice drink of water to stay hydrated

[rare garnet]

After finally doing crown. What a lame pad fight.

[smoky vale]

consumables

theyve removed any prekey shit for everything

unless you can still do it for meta and uh incarn

[twilit temple]

What do I look for when interrogating logs? I’m parsing single digits on mythic while I’m 80-90s on heroic… I’ve tried to look into things but nothing is clicking

[unborn delta]

thats kinda normal rn

i would expect purple heroic parses to translate to green/grey mythics, I have all 99s on hero and high blue/low purple on myth

you can link logs here and bored ppl can examine them

[stoic loom]

purple hc parses definitely doesnt translate to grey mythics lol

you're probably just panicking with the new mechanics or poor planning with cds

[unborn delta]

if you arent holding cds for adds that would do it

[native wadi]

99s on hero mean nothing

Go rush a raid week 3-6

Parse 98-99 ensured

I respect way more a 75+ in mm, even with my alt 260 i parse all 95+ in hc while rushing

[serene kraken]

Is there an addon that let's you put a picture of your rotation on the screen

so u dont have to tab out

[sage ridge]

Anyone else have the issue where the edges of their nameplates aren't clickable when using plater?

I was wondering why I was missing clicks on them but for whatever reason the edges don't register as clicking the nameplate

[brittle mauve]

How strict is the press rampage over 100 rage ? I'm finding my enrage uptime to be a touch low. For keys. Thane. Like 10% less than comparable players and key levels. Thanks.

[dapper kite]

is this the better method to sym myself for m+ on fury, or the is another better

[low folio]

id have to log a key run to check my buff uptime now dont i

[serene kraken]

whats the best place for rotations

is maxroll.gg dogshit?

[young swan]

nah its good

there are minor discrepencies between maxroll, wowhead, and icyveins, but they're just that

[dense elbow]

If you aint #1, you are noone

[young swan]

i personally prefer maxroll's layout

but wowhead is often the go-to

[deft palm]

everyone that plays wow

[fast mural]

still way more complex than BM or devourer

[edgy widget]

it's not, but also casting Rampage if Enrage is not up (or about to fall off) is an even higher priority, basically the highest behind OF

[undone flower]

Fresh meat BT

[brittle mauve]

So are you saying that I can press ramp at like 80 rage even if enrage is is up?

Idk how to get enrage up more tho . I swear I'm on top of it

[edgy widget]

there are a lot of conditions for pressing Rampage, it's not just >100 rage

[brittle mauve]

Can you elaborate on that plz

[edgy widget]

what I said there was that if Enrage is not up, or if it's 1 GCD from expiring, then Rampage is your highest priority

[brittle mauve]

Right agree with that. But beside 100 rage and enrage coming off...what are the conditions

[edgy widget]

you don't only rampage at 100 rage, you just delay it to 100 rage if Enrage is up and more important abilities are available

[edgy widget]

e.g. Thane will use Bloodbath before using Rampage at 70 rage, because it's more efficient to delay it if Enrage is up
but it will use Rampage at 70 rage before using Crushing Blow, because Rampage is just a much better button

[brittle mauve]

Ok the second part there is what I've not been doing. I've been holding Ramp for crushing blow in those situations. Damn..

[undone flower]

If you played ret paladin it’s the same logic to wait 5 charges to use spender

[edgy widget]

kind of, yeah

[brittle mauve]

I've been Giga strict with the 100 rage stuff

[edgy widget]

it's just about using your GCDs efficiently

[undone flower]

You don’t lose the spender if you don’t overcap your ressource

[brittle mauve]

But I'd argue the prio list somewhat doesnt expose that nuance archi

Well I guess it does at the bottom.

Never mind

Rampage is second to last . Ok I get it

[undone flower]

I think it’s more of an issue of understanding how a priority rotation works and needs to be read

[brittle mauve]

Ya I misread it and misunderstandood it

[edgy widget]

^ there's also a disclaimer for that at the top of the page, which explicitly explains how a priority list is meant to be read

you read top to bottom and restart at the top every time you can complete an action

[brittle mauve]

Yeag

Frankly I didn't remember that ramp is at the bottom before CB

That's a huge loss on my end lol

Thanks for clarifying

[edgy widget]

it's weird, but the best way to explain how a dynamic priority works - trying to explain it in more absolute terms of A -> B -> C is extremely difficult with so many different variables to acccount for

[undone flower]

Yes but I usually need to paste the screenshot of the disclaimer when ppl ask rotation stuff

[edgy widget]

it's just something you learn over time

[brittle mauve]

Y'all have helped me resolve a fundamental misunderstanding of the list for me. Ty

[undone flower]

Just to be sure 100% they understand what we say

[undone flower]

when we say stuff like rampage>BT>RB it's not a sequence, we are talking as priorities

[brittle mauve]

Yep. Reset to the top after every gcd

And reassess

[undone flower]

if you fully understand how to read the priority, you can guess a thane ST opener, to see if you really understand

without checking

[brittle mauve]

I think it was just that lack of rampage use

Which is kinda huge tbh

[calm dock]

is there a channel for log reviews? im doing smth very wrong with my fury rotation but unsure what and kinda looking for help

[undone flower]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1347646810457636974

[olive wraith]

You can also plug your log into wow analyzer

[echo rapids]

Let’s see, same as MT opener but you should BB after the first rampage and then depending on whenever you get another TB proc or not it will diverge?

trying to remember when you hit the rage thresholds

[undone flower]

you have 2 charge of TB when you press your CDs

[echo rapids]

Yeah so TB ramp BB

Does that BB take you back over 100 rage?

[undone flower]

rampage at 100> 2 TB

[echo rapids]

Oh right ramp TB

[undone flower]

it is a useful way to see if you really understand ^^

[echo rapids]

That TB is back over 100 rage again iirc

[edgy widget]

in single target, you basically only prio TB at 2 stacks, 1 stack it's just a filler; so it's something like...

• charge + of + cds
• Ramp -> TB -> BB -> Ramp -> TB -> BB -> Ramp -> Ramp -> BB -> Ramp -> TB -> BB... etc
  the ideal is to keep Bloodbath on cooldown as much as possible, using Rampage and TB as fillers (without actually capping rage) between its cooldown

[undone flower]

don't go too far in the gcds after 5+ sec it becomes pointless

for the exercise

[echo rapids]

Right will start diverging as you get lucky or unlucky With TB

but the weave of those 3 is very smooth

[undone flower]

but it's something i ask ppl who REALLY wants rotation help like DMs and such, i will not continue until they can guess an opener without checking

[echo rapids]

Fair

Current 12.0.5 changes wouldn’t have an effect since it’s just a change to TC damage?

[undone flower]

learning how to read a priority is the basic stuff, and i will not have other messages if they switch to another spec or rotation is updated

[undone flower]

tuning of TC = it might (it will) move thunderclap and/or thunderblast in that list (i took aoe rotation as example)

so you might see stuff like crushing blow>tc during cds maybe

and so far down that a thunderclap for ww stacks line pops up, in the wowhead rotation

[quiet osprey]

Why is Odyn's Fury pressed before cds (since you get 20% dam + strength)? Do we just not want to waste gcds during Reck?

[olive wraith]

Pretty much

Plus a lot of OF damage is the bleed so you’re not really missing the entire thing

[undone flower]

and you have more chance to have double OF cast in avatar

[dry hawk]

I have the Ava/reck bound to OF after the cast

[quiet osprey]

makes sense, catch the tail end of cds with another OF

[undone flower]

but you don't hold OF or if it comes back up in the middle of reck, you press it

[stoic loom]

lads can i get some advice with my vault

not taken it yet

puzzle box sims a 0.5% dps upgrade in ST at full upgrade

and a dps loss in aoe

[young swan]

that shouldnt happen

[stoic loom]

ive got 276 gaze and ancient hunger

[waxen vale]

should be reverse no?

[stoic loom]

yea is why im confused lol

[quiet osprey]

pick flare and don't delude yourself that puzzle box is better

[stoic loom]

flare simmed a dps loss in both ST and aoe

[undone flower]

did you sim puzzle box at 289 ilvl ?

you can send the report here

[stoic loom]

yes

i'll sim again since i simmed yesterday and lready closed

[undone flower]

if you have an account it is in the history

[waxen vale]

it saves your history for a bit

[gaunt marsh]

Do people not like fury for m+ havning a really hard time getting into groups, trying to get into 6-7s. i have ilvl 260 and raider.io of 1714. Like I apply to a group and they end up inviting 2 ret pallies or 2 dh instead of a war

[calm dock]

dumb question but is there anything higher prio than casting thunderclap with 2 thunderblast stacks?

[waxen vale]

ramp 100

[quiet osprey]

OF

[waxen vale]

avatar/reck

[stoic loom]

what do you use for aoe sims?

[pliant jackal]

Aoe sims are kind of for fun

[bitter palm]

hello guys im full bis trinkets

ahh

[undone flower]

i don't do a lot of aoe sims, idc about m+ that much, but i do 5t patchwerk if i must

[pliant jackal]

Most people just stick to single target

[stoic loom]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/16rPSjgPDPkeKHShXy3FA8

this is the ST sim, its saying a 0.8% upgarde now

[stoic loom]

for how long

[undone flower]

5min

with/without lust

[bitter palm]

sim socket

u can socket bracers safely

[olive wraith]

Just dps things

[pliant jackal]

You got people already 270+ ilvl

[stoic loom]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/o3dqDHrQyU1SofrfrouQEQ

puzzle box in 5t 5 mins

[bitter palm]

i would never take puzzle box there

[pliant jackal]

And 3k io score

[bitter palm]

fuck ass trinket

[stoic loom]

0.8% upgrade over a 276 trinket seems kinda cringe

considering its a disgusting 2 second cast time tirnket

[bitter palm]

it is cause u got 2 best trinkets

sim socket

[quiet osprey]

i can't believe hero heart is better than myth solflare

[calm dock]

also if im using puzzlebox is it worth holding rec for say 20-30 seconds so i can use puzzle box into rec or just use rec and then use puzzle box on cd

[quiet osprey]

they kind of do the same thing

[undone flower]

if you sim under 2 min it will not cast puzzle box twice

[lapis wolf]

yo people! Why shall I use TB with 2 stacks outside of cooldowns instead of just sending it when it procs? If I don´t get a second stack the proc just goes into nothing no? or am I just getting it wrong and TB just goes down in prio when it only has one stack?

[stoic loom]

its a 5min sim

[undone flower]

yes it's just to say

[bitter palm]

dont take it its not worth the headache of using

i would take socket and socket bracers

[undone flower]

but yeah i'm avoiding puzzlebox myself tbf

[pliant jackal]

On use trinkets are weird with all the cd reduction

[bitter palm]

nah its a puzzle box thing

its just mega cringe to use

[calm dock]

i got a hero puzzlebox and havent gotten dreamrift trinkets yet so using it it just feels akward

[brittle tinsel]

Hi , i need help , i have a lot of dps , try make the rotation perfect but i dont make the dmg for my ilvl , i dont understan what im making wrong , help https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/54815732?zone=47&metric=dps

[undone flower]

the cast solo ruin the trinket for me

[quiet osprey]

i would only take puzzleboxc if it always lined up with some 2m cd (like havoc meta or something)

[bitter palm]

i would take it if i didnt have to stand still for 2s

its the mental overhead of thinking about it

[quiet osprey]

that feels not cringe, even with the cast

[bitter palm]

that pisses me off

[quiet osprey]

but otherwise

hell no

[calm dock]

i just dont get if i should be using it on cd or hold rec for like 20 extra cds so they lígn up

[bitter palm]

its like transmitter

its annoying cause i have to think about it

[stoic loom]

ye i dont really wanna play puzzle box

unless i have to

[quiet osprey]

bro another reason algathar academy sucks

[stoic loom]

its just taking socket in week 1 for 3 of my 4 characters

might make me suicidal

[bitter palm]

just take socket

i mean what did u expect

u have gaze and heart

at 276

[pliant jackal]

It’s not 20seconds if you are ramp

[bitter palm]

mega overstatted trinkets

[calm dock]

well say i have 20 cd left on puzzle box do i have rec so they lign up thats what i mean

[pliant jackal]

Oh I see

[calm dock]

or do i just rec here and then cast box on cd

[undone flower]

do you track your WW stacks ?

[quiet osprey]

imagine channeling during rec

[pliant jackal]

I rather just get the two easy passive trinkets from the raid

[stoic star]

How can you find info on which addons blizzard removed since last nights RWF prog?

I see Max Twitch Stream title says it but cant find any wowhead info

[calm dock]

yes but in the mean time im using the hero puzzle box as it gives 806 mastery for 20 seconds which is insane

[stoic loom]

Funniest thing is my shamans and my warriors vault was exact same

solarflare / puzzle box

[calm dock]

exactly what im running

[undone flower]

you have a ww stacks issue

[pliant jackal]

Da fuck

[undone flower]

and maybe your prio between execute/rb/bt/tc is messed up

[pliant jackal]

Go watch critcake for like 5 minutes and youll understand what you are doing wrong

[undone flower]

@brittle tinsel message me if you need more help

[brittle tinsel]

Now hes playing arms i suppose , but ye i follow him and see a bit

[brittle tinsel]

Sorry , what is ww

[undone flower]

whirlwind

read improved whirlwind talent in the spec tree

[brittle tinsel]

Ah, but is the same than thunder clap right ?

[undone flower]

yes

[brittle tinsel]

I mean the buff

[undone flower]

you need to actively track it

[brittle tinsel]

Ye im tracking them

[undone flower]

here you are in your CDs hitting more than 4 ST abiliies between each tc/ww

[brittle tinsel]

Probably need make bigger the icon

[quiet osprey]

you make sure to have it up for every ability you press, in the example happy screenshoted you pressed 7 dmg abilities between 2 claps

[undone flower]

you can make it a bar with addons if you prefer

like sensei does it

[lapis wolf]

yo people! Why shall I use TB with 2 stacks outside of cooldowns instead of just sending it when it procs? If I don´t get a second stack the proc just goes into nothing no? or am I just getting it wrong and TB just goes down in prio when it only has one stack?

[brittle tinsel]

I have my bar like this

[undone flower]

whatever what is your UI, you need to pay more attention to ww stacks, whatever you end up with

[brittle tinsel]

So , my only problem is the ww ?

No, right ?

[undone flower]

no it's not your only problem

[winter shoal]

@proud bough I've got a PR up for wowanalyzer to fix the APL issue you found the other day. I also found a rather nefarious bug that affects a lot more than just warriors, which I fixed as well, so many thanks for your feedback 🙂

[brittle tinsel]

Hold , i go swap the language

[brittle tinsel]

If u can tell me in md if u want , really i want improve with the warrior, probably my dps is lower than the mid , ppl with 260 is toping me

[undone flower]

go in private bc it is too floody here

[brittle tinsel]

tnx a lot

[winter shoal]

You're likely to use the first stack naturally anyways, so as long as you aren't overcapping, there's no opportunity cost of holding it. You'd rather save it in case you would otherwise need to RB than send it when you had other buttons to press and then have to use an RB later

[potent thicket]

Any tips for thane ST?

[proud bough]

Woooo! You’re the goat, nice job!

[radiant plank]

is wowana for arms

up to date

[dull wolf]

Quick question regarding the APL - do we consume sudden death / execute over rampage during reck? From what I understand the reduced rage is also reducing the CDR from AM at a reduced rate (50 vs 80 rage) and rage is finite anyway, so I don't think we should be spamming rampage during reck wasting the rage between autoattacks.

The APL says Rampage > execute if reck is up:
actions.slayer+=/odyns_fury
actions.slayer+=/bloodbath
actions.slayer+=/rampage,if=buff.recklessness.up
actions.slayer+=/execute

[olive wraith]

Tbf you’re also gaining rage faster. And ramp also gives apex stacks

[full pumice]

hey guys should i prio my second crafted 285 item or max out my myth item?

[olive wraith]

Ramp does a few things

[dull wolf]

fair enough, makes more sense now

[calm dock]

anyone tried the new plume trinket is it any good?

[ancient olive]

is there something warriors can use to get rid of chains in seat of triumvirate?

[full pumice]

does bladestorm remove it? or nah

[dark bramble]

Yes u can remove with Berserker Shout but u need to play with [Fearless] talent.

[echo rapids]

She doesn’t simcraft show warriors?

[ornate mesa]

fellow prot warrior looking for your feedback, what do you think of this 256 ilvl fury warriors usage of skills? 😛 this is post key overall

[radiant plank]

horrific

[wary salmon]

[brittle crow]

woa..

[ornate mesa]

lol ty thats all i needed to hear, it was painful

[brittle crow]

elite

[echo rapids]

Rampage being 7% of overall is wild

[ornate mesa]

wdym! hes a pro he managed to make rampage do more dmg than auto attacks!

/s

[undone flower]

[random shadow]

Rend is doing third most is scary

[ornate mesa]

100% agree haha

[supple bronze]

Do I have to use a cancel whirlwind macro on ST if I'm thane? I see it mentioned on maxroll, but not icy veins. It makes sense, given the 65% damage number during whirlwind, but I just want to make sure.

[random shadow]

No?

[undone flower]

The cancel macro is only if you use rampaging ruin which you should not use

[supple bronze]

Ok. I'm not using that, so I should be good. Thank you.

[undone flower]

The 65% is for the enemies you are cleaving

Not the main target

[supple bronze]

My dps is still dog shit, but at least I know that now.

[winter shoal]

Should be yeah but I haven't double checked the APL since launch day

[dry hawk]

Gaze really that sought after for every class O.o

[full pumice]

is a crafted wrist the go to? or should i craft something else (i already have weapon)

[smoky vale]

you should try to wait and see if you can get one from the first mythic boss

[dry hawk]

I see why everyone wants that Heart of Ancient Hunger and Gaze of the Alnseer now...

[limber garden]

hi which SimC do you use for m+? dungeon slice ?

[hearty stream]

do u know what u should drop for this?

[smoky vale]

what do you have talented

[velvet rover]

is there any real difference between the crafted weapons? why is the warblade listed as bis? tooltip says it does the same dmg as the crafted axe or mace, can any1 explain?

[velvet rover]

just searched the chat, no it doesnt make a difference

[willow heath]

Should i train and hoard gear to swap to arms next patch ? will it be that much diff betweenfury and arms ? Sorry question prob got asked a lot

[olive wraith]

We love a self directed king

[olive wraith]

🔮

[quick dock]

“Should” is a strong word. Fury will be fine. Play what you like

[willow heath]

Aight thank you i'll wait a bit more and see !

[dark bramble]

U have this 2 option [Berserker Shout][Fearless] and u drop first one for Fearless

[winter shoal]

It never hurts to be able to play both, but 99% of the time you can just play what you prefer and you'll do just fine

[random bough]

slayer or thane for M+ ?

looks like slayer is performing better?

[smoky wraith]

will arms outperform fury ?

[random bough]

according to arhcon

archon

[untold heart]

Sword is probably the easiest to get crafted. Axe is a raid dropped plan

Otherwise no difference

[dry hawk]

arms still uses the 2 trinkets right?

[hearty stream]

mt m+ build from wowhead p much

[hearty stream]

dont have berserker shout talented

[smoky vale]

idk what this means man

show me the page sir

[hearty stream]

lemme swap over 1 sec

[hardy cargo]

isnt that the choice node between root break zerker rage and aoe fear remove zerker rage

[hardy cargo]

just drop piercing howl or the reduced cd one on the right to take the root break no

[edgy widget]

drop piercing howl, it's pretty pointless now

[hearty stream]

sounds good

[modest condor]

it's not a root break btw, just removes slows

[hearty stream]

been helping me get to the first pull sometimes even tho its kinda trash

[modest condor]

important distinction considering there are some roots in this season as well

[edgy widget]

roots and snares are two very different things

[hardy cargo]

oh its snare removal that sucks I glossed over the wording assumed it was root break 🙁

[edgy widget]

use interpose if you wanna get around faster, it's much better

[orchid crag]

Is that 40% Thunder Clap nerf out yet?

[modest condor]

is it 12.0.5 yet?

[edgy widget]

it's not really a 40% TC nerf, and no

[orchid crag]

How is it not a 40% nerf lol

[hearty stream]

then id drop the berserker rage talent for that ? i dont really need both on seat and thats the main thing im looking for (for the snare break)

[orchid crag]

going form 50% to 10% lol

[modest condor]

going from 150% damage to 110%

[edgy widget]

Because that's not how math works, lol

[modest condor]

that's like a 25% nerf or something

[edgy widget]

150 -> 110 is -26.6% and only during Avatar

[orchid crag]

Stm;; osm

Still isn't needed

[edgy widget]

it's still 4 weeks+ away, so don't worry about it rn

[orchid crag]

Like I have no earthly idea why Blizz is even touching us

[edgy widget]

very high likelihood there are going to be other changes between now and then, don't stress

[harsh bobcat]

only stress

Get the heart rate up, it's free anxiety cardio

[dry hawk]

i wish I could earn extra hero crests 🙁

[plain bough]

I have 255 bracers with embelish ment but just had some 266 drop i cant upgrade bracers atm is it worth swapping to the 266

[olive wraith]

Sim it

[inner zinc]

blizz has that bad habit of only posting half the changes and making us doom

[quiet geyser]

https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/class-tuning-incoming-–-7-april/614441

0 warrior notes -_-

[vagrant osprey]

Would love for either spec to be respectable in ST but that’s not in the cards for this season

[quiet geyser]

community perception is a bitch. If you look on WCL, warriors look great. Then you realize its all pad damage that realistically at this point doesn't even matter

[pure echo]

Love when the damage i’m supposed to do can’t even be done bc I have to charge around like crazy on mythic saladman to kill big balls. 😂

[quiet geyser]

that boss is prob 1 of the worse for inflating fury looking good

when its not

[warm crag]

why are you doing that

boss should be tanked next to the ball you're killing in ww cleave range

[quiet geyser]

😅

[frigid temple]

guys if I have actually 0 vers and we arent using vantus, I should still use reck pot right

[trail bane]

True, Saladking is one of the few pad bosses where we actually get to pad.

All the other bosses where padding is a thing it feels like ww monks, warlocks and dev dhs are just stealing all the pad

but i play in a guild where most of our dps just look at top 100 logs and aim for add damage while sacrificing boss damage

which is why our dev dh on dragons got a 20 boss damage log and leaves my amazing fury boss dmg to pick up the slack

[modest condor]

reck pot is still better than light pot, the reason we changed default to light is because reck pot causes really annoying issues with gearing where a single piece can be like a 2-3% dps difference just because of which stat is your highest and light pot is only a little behind.

If you have the correct gear for reck pot (aka haste is not your highest stat) then feel free to use it

[frigid temple]

OHHHHHH Okay I got you.
Ty ty

[drowsy heron]

the life of a warrior, always a 45th class citizen

[quiet geyser]

I mean, fury was very good the last 2 tiers

just kinda stinky this tier. We always seem to start an expansion off shitty the first tier

[scarlet swift]

Confirmed zero warrior devs exist, can this Discord owner please apply?

[slate light]

well we were quite decent in nerubar iirc,cuz of out aoe burst

[modest wave]

guys we were OP in classic, is that not good enough?

[quiet geyser]

we also did tank damage in Nerubar, its the same situation we're in now

padding small adds doesn't make a spec good

[slate light]

is it padding if they had to die? we were the best at killing them

[quiet geyser]

all adds "have to die", but if not having a fury warrior and those adds die .3 seconds later with literally no harm to the raid

ya i consider that useless pad

[scarlet swift]

Might as well give battle shout to hunters and delete warriors

[quiet geyser]

like if we're referring to nerubar, fury was good for brood and queen. Legit dogshit every other boss

[eager stirrup]

I played TWW S1 and came back for Midnight S1 🤡

[quiet geyser]

i'm sorry for your loss @eager stirrup

[scarlet swift]

Nonstop algethar for you huh

[eager stirrup]

lol seriously. But honestly? I know we had a rollercoaster in TWW S1 but I felt like I did well

[lilac plinth]

Thane is so good rn

[formal jacinth]

Gents - Is there like a % difference (for mythic+ specifically) between thane and slayer? I'm just curious what like the actual numbers would be on average between the two

[quiet geyser]

Thane is great for M+ (about to get nuked), and stinky poo poo for raid except killing adds

[haughty carbon]

its better to sim on dungeon slice, or on patchwerk 1m 6 target for mm+?

[winter shoal]

I do 1t 5m and 5t 5m then use brain to compare

[heavy ruin]

What is brain?

Zugzug?

[haughty carbon]

k thx

[trim tusk]

wait what

what's the nerf

[undone flower]

#updates-midnight message

[trim tusk]

man what the fuck

[quiet geyser]

its not till .5

[stoic loom]

its not tho xd

[stoic loom]

this

[plain bough]

what you guys using your dawnflux on once you got 4 set

[stoic loom]

we are literally the 3rd worst spec in the game at boss damage

but we do be pretty good at killing the piss voidlings on dragons i suppose

[quiet geyser]

we're actually good on dragons regardless since its constant cleave not ST

arguably the 1 boss i'de say we're pretty good at

[undone flower]

Hero 3/6 tier slot pieces or worse stats items

[plain bough]

i see ty and we still shooting for mast/haste?

[undone flower]

We still shooting what the robot god says

[plain bough]

still tryna figure out raidbots

[undone flower]

And not every catalysted items are haste/mastery

[plain bough]

do i just use droptimiser?

[undone flower]

If you have a sub you can droptimizer all dungeons, idk if there is a catalysted items options outside

[tropic wasp]

A question we crafting something or saving spark for 2nd 2h sword?

[plain bough]

is the sub worth aha

[undone flower]

Just steal the account of a friend

Or sim in top gear

[plain bough]

ahh cheers

normal raid i only need that neck from last boss it seems

[undone flower]

You can catalyst your gear on the little + in topgear

[plain bough]

im 270 atm so tryna squeeze out as much extra upgrades as i can

[undone flower]

Don’t pay the sub if you are not that stinky about it

If you have a guild maybe they have an account for everyone

[plain bough]

nahh we are super casual, but ty i'll just do it without sim

[undone flower]

Yeah the free stuff is enough

You can just ask a guildmate or someone who has a sub to do it for you

If you really want

[plain bough]

thankyou 🙂 so if i wanna compare two items do i just sim 'top gear'

[undone flower]

Yes, you can sim multiple pieces of gear you have in your bag, or add one you don’t have, sim different talents or enchants etc

In topgear

[plain bough]

awesome ty

[undone flower]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/how-to-use-raidbots-and-run-character-simulations-6050

The article start to be old but it explains most of the stuff

[modest condor]

these glaives on lura got nothing on the bullet hell you have to deal with in an academy pug last boss

[trail bane]

Worse than a pug is the end of week demon keys that your friends beg you to join

"I need a weekly 10 on my 241 tank alt wanna join?"

Then suddenly you are in a group with 4 friends and their sub 250 characters carrying a 10 AA

[light eagle]

Those are memories to be made though

[undone flower]

What can I say, 3 of my 240 rat alts got a myth loot vault this week

[light eagle]

Me too, 3 of em 😭

[dapper goblet]

@sullen dove warrior bad yet some how no buffs...odd

curious..

[undone flower]

Make war

[plain bough]

they hat eus

[gleaming juniper]

Im 274 w no mythic raid drops yet, if you aren’t 270 u ain’t tryin

[modest condor]

can confirm, im ilvl 267 and im not trying

[gleaming juniper]

haha

my alt shaman is like 262 and i stg i play it like once a week

They’ve made it so easy to gear up

[modest condor]

i havent farmed any crests yet this week

i would probably be like 272-273 or something if i did and spent them

[vocal thorn]

@dapper goblet you must save us

[dapper goblet]

stop doing luna splits

maybe start with that

[vocal thorn]

LMAO

it was worth I think

[dapper goblet]

cope

[vocal thorn]

true

[spare steppe]

im having fun though

[stoic star]

Cant find weapons to match the Yellow LFR / Normal Red / Heroic Green of the Tier Set Appearance.

Tried to do the Fyrak Legendary with red but they are just super orange.

Which is better?

[restive peak]

Faaaacts

[sudden tusk]

did you get a giga neck tho

[young swan]

I used the pvp appearance for the artifact weapon for green

looks mint

[vocal thorn]

no

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/im-out-of-here-gif-24981088

[scarlet swift]

What dps potion ya'll popping in raid/mythic?

[keen kindle]

I don't want to bother with reck so I just go light's potentional

[edgy widget]

never craft a second weapon, you already get discounted upgrades

[tropic wasp]

ty sr

[scarlet swift]

ty

[dapper rain]

people how do i sim better my fury war in raid bots to sim a m+ dungeon ?

like wich setting do i have to put ?

[unborn hearth]

Where can I get the actual APL for fury?

[trim moon]

I have NO idea wtf Im doing on slayer fury - I am just horrible at it I guess. Holy ass nuts

[winter shoal]

Like the simc APL or just the general rotation?

[swift lintel]

I feel like my dps isn't what I want it to be, and one thing I've been wondering is this -- should I hit bloodthirst over rampage, even if my rage is near cap, so long as enrage+berserk has time?

[winter shoal]

Below 100 rage, generally BT. Above 100 rage, generally rampage

[coarse nest]

during reck its alot faster flow

so you pretty much BB on cd and ramp when you cant

if you cant do either then sd proc, wreck throw, or crushing blow

[swift lintel]

yeah that's what I had read, but (and I don't really have something to back this up) I feel like I'm hitting rampage more often than I'd prefer, especially with bloodthirst not on c/d

[indigo crystal]

Next patch is a win tbh, we didnt get nerfed :3

[vast gorge]

Is fury just not really good compared to other classes? In M+ im constantly being beat by mages, warlock, boomkins, and unholy dks

[sudden tusk]

we are okay

those classes are great

[charred flume]

i think the question he is asking will a good fury ever be top damage on the board compared to those classes lol in a mythic

[robust forum]

I feel like ret pally is insane or am I crazy

[sudden tusk]

Fury by design unless we get a disgusting tier set like last season will probably never be top damage in real keys

Arms has far more potential in that regard

[charred flume]

whats real keys ?

13 plus ?

or more

[sudden tusk]

15+ prob

[sullen dove]

oh boy

all the

omni tokens that boss drops

wow

[dapper goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/happyeaster-easterbunny-easterbasket-eastereggs-glitter-gif-10718643018172936936

[earnest crag]

hey I remember hearing there was a macro to cast thunder clap even when you have a thunder blast proc and I was wondering if anyone could share it

I mostly just want to see how it works so I can try and use it for another class :)

[winter shoal]

thank you xeos

[fiery edge]

Man foory is mid again

[summer quail]

It's the classic, seems good til tierset then everyone gets tier and fury falls off

[fiery edge]

Tier set is just also mid

[keen nimbus]

feels impossible to get into 15's

[south kayak]

Always mid tier sets

Well, not always

Usually

[fair talon]

guys is it time to play arms instead of fury?

[fiery edge]

I guess so

Potentially going back to slayer

[spare steppe]

got my voidclaw gauntlets!

[brittle crow]

who was the cursor addon

that makes u not lose ur cursor

[winter shoal]

W

[winter shoal]

eqol has this idk

[golden panther]

It's been a while since I played fury, do we not use neither whirlwind nor execute by ourselves?

[winter shoal]

Slayer uses whirlwind, thane doesn't

Both use execute

[summer quail]

ultimate mouse cursor

[brittle crow]

yea thats it

ill try it

[golden panther]

I see, but do we ever use Slayer? I only see Thane builds

[granite badger]

I played some keys with ret and hunter....did a 17 maisara finished 185k, did 19 pit finished 164k.... The spec feels so bad to play imo compared to previous seasons... spamming clap on avatar and only rampage and BB or BT is insanely unfun....I love warr especially fury... is just that rn feels so terrible....also what the actual fak we are so so behind and we get 0 buffs....aight idk, they really do hate warriors right?

[winter shoal]

Slayer is slightly better on pure single target (3ish%) and better at burst aoe, but thane is better at sustained aoe

I'd generally recommend playing slayer in normal/heroic raid, and thane in mythic raid and M+ dungeons

[pure echo]

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-pascal-gif-22055472

[golden panther]

I see ty, I was looking at logs and was wonderin that execute had no casts shown in Damage tab, but they do in fact use it it just shows weirdly in wcl

[empty ice]

did the TC nerfs vanish or are they still hovering on the ptr

[tulip tundra]

so when we getting some ST damage?

[covert coyote]

we used our allotment of ST for the decade in S3, sorry

[fiery edge]

Next expac

Fury reworked

[olive wraith]

Didn’t vanish

[olive wraith]

Weren’t we mid in st

[empty ice]

[fiery edge]

We’re kinda mid already

[olive wraith]

In s3 I mean

[fiery edge]

Oh

[olive wraith]

For st at least

[fiery edge]

It’s still kinda aight like mid plus

[olive wraith]

Live were on the low end of st

[covert coyote]

I felt like I was cranking on bosses in M+

[olive wraith]

Key st is diff

[covert coyote]

but even like loom and rocky boy I was usually top or 2nd place in M raid

[olive wraith]

You’re clearly just better than your guildies

[zinc python]

did they nerf thane?

[olive wraith]

.5 patch yes

[undone flower]

Top both S2 and S3

In raid

But not first + dmg amps + prot war

So rwf didn’t play war dps

[sudden tusk]

Well in a race setting the issue isn't really doing damage, its solving a problem

Warrior damage profile is/was good especially after the tier set hotfix, but it still didnt really DO anything special

[undone flower]

yeah but being second at fixing the issue disqualifies you whatever it is

for rwf stuff

[sudden tusk]

yuh

[sullen dove]

one was def in for mugzee no

[sudden tusk]

revvez played mugzee

liquid played another ww monk

[sullen dove]

but yea dont think any on any endboss since ansurek lol

[sudden tusk]

wolfdisco was also in on gally, but they brought in a fourth or fifth mage instead

[sullen dove]

when we were magically actually perfectly op for the raid/boss

[undone flower]

and war was strong for gallywix, but you can just bring another monk

and prot war

[sullen dove]

eh like "strong"

[sudden tusk]

on ansurek our boss damage was garbage

[sullen dove]

but didnt do anything special

[sudden tusk]

but we did our job of add murder

so we solved that problem which is why we were played

right now warrior doesnt really solve any problems. Outside of battle shout

[dapper goblet]

suffering from success..

[sudden tusk]

even now warrior isnt bad enough to not play

also i dont know if its true but if you focus a target on lura people have speculated melee kicks cant hit it if it rotates away

but i have no idea if thats true

[sullen dove]

idk u just move closer to middle of the boss methinks

cant imagine thats a real problem

just follow it

[undone flower]

wrecking throw BIG

i will likely be on it after .5 tho

[sudden tusk]

javalineer lowkey goated

hidden strength

[undone flower]

i put it in my infamous macro

tab wrecking throw macro

[sudden tusk]

i have to save myself from my own laziness man

do you have any idea how much i just want to macro avatar and reck into rampage

head empty no thoughts only rotation

[undone flower]

i don't about m+ enough to go hard on kicks

i just kick on cd

it gives me 5% more dmg

[sudden tusk]

M+ is simple if you play with the same people just called partner kicks

2 sets of 2 people. kick in rotation fill gaps with ccs if needed

[young swan]

echo played revvez and walli but didnt win obviously

[sudden tusk]

was walli also in on gally?

[young swan]

yeah

[undone flower]

[sudden tusk]

yeah they played 2 warriors

liquid was just ww pilled

[young swan]

max just hates playing dps warriors

cause he has a negative impression of them

[sudden tusk]

does he even have any say in comps?

i have no idea how that guild opperates

[undone flower]

xeos is the culprit

[young swan]

im sure its a group effort

[sullen dove]

i mean i think it is a pretty objective breakdown

[young swan]

but theres a reason why they've cycled thru 5 million warrior mains since atrocity

[sullen dove]

especially considering all the st sim doomposting

warr dps is just kinda dogass

for most important things on these bosses

warr dps wasnt anything special in s2 either

worthless tierset

[sudden tusk]

well wolf i think is flex he can play w/e

[sullen dove]

flat ass profile just kind of exists

[sudden tusk]

riku kinda got demoted i think

i dunno what happened there just full guess

[young swan]

riku def got put in the dirt after ansurek

[sudden tusk]

rafkar not sure if he saw play

[young swan]

died to that fight like it was his job

[sudden tusk]

Walli showed some warrior, but they just wanted more overpowered mm hunter

[sullen dove]

boomie was on warr i think then and kinda clapped him

[sudden tusk]

and now hes on the no fun allowed DK grip is a raid buff

[young swan]

boomie was just more consistent

[sullen dove]

or i think max made the analogy is like boomie is way more consistent but riku has the higher potential to hit more dmg

[young swan]

when riku lived he put boomie in the dirt

[sullen dove]

and some cases u prefer one over the other

[sudden tusk]

Boomie is a healer for them now hes also flex

[sullen dove]

yea kinda chad

[young swan]

boomie is a beast

[sudden tusk]

boomie kind of a nuts player

[sullen dove]

pulls up multiclass/multirole's rwf in like 3 races

[undone flower]

tobo is healing too now

[sullen dove]

psure nerubar was his first

[young swan]

it was yeah

[sudden tusk]

i mean im like 90% sure almost anyone in that roster could play a class to 98% capacity

[undone flower]

replace every healers by dps players

[sullen dove]

not sure its possible for thd to play anything other than warlock

[sudden tusk]

but thats nost good enough

[sullen dove]

he might just explode

[sudden tusk]

like having a pocket trill is just kinda crazy mode

you saw what he did to that bird

why am i not getting 100 parses on my first kills on boss damage

[wintry oak]

can someone help me figure out why my rampage damage is so low compared to another warriors rampage damage?, with similar amount of casts and same ilvl

[sudden tusk]

surely its my trinkets

[split comet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1MgH6cCQ4FdxuN4wPEQFNp - should i send it on this neck craft?

[sudden tusk]

go do the pvp quest that has 4 steps

mastery heavy haste neck

takes 8 training mode bgs

[pliant jackal]

i almost lost one of the training bgs lmao

[split comet]

and then craft his ring?

this*

[undone flower]

arathi ?

[split comet]

@sudden tusk **

[pliant jackal]

yea i think so

[sudden tusk]

youll still want to craft a cloak or bracer to add the Acrano embelishment

you cannot ad that embelishment to a ring

and every other slot has guarenteed good stats

[split comet]

kk

[sudden tusk]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=266314/novice-combatants-necklace

[exotic swallow]

is slayer useable in m+ at a similar lvl to mt? i prefer the aesthetic but my avg dps is lower than if i take mountain thane

[sudden tusk]

this is the necklace

[split comet]

kk

I find slayer doing more dps

tbh

in keys

and way more boss dmg

[sudden tusk]

Thanes aoe is about 13-15% higher then slayer i beleive

but in any like weekly 10 it does not matter what you play

[exotic swallow]

i've noticed similar madox. any tips haytham?

[undone flower]

idk why meta comp mental sickness is already in 15s and 16s

[split comet]

press execute when it lights up

[sudden tusk]

i mean i saw people doing 12s asking for aug