fury

[edgy widget]

if you're just doing 10s you don't really need to worry too much about pull size, just do whatever is comfortable - unless I'm with people I know, I usually go for groups of ~5-7, which is enough to let people AoE without being a tryhard

pulling entire hallways in a complete pug is just a recipe for run backs

[steel shard]

i pull depending on casters

really

if it is just melee bonk mobs

[edgy widget]

yeah I mean it varies by dungeon

[steel shard]

you can pull a fuckton

[edgy widget]

and how much I feel like I trust the healer

[steel shard]

shield block

very balanced

[brittle crow]

my dumb ass isn't used to not having 100% shield block uptime yet

[steel shard]

it´s those mobs on skyreach that apply the bleed

[brittle crow]

so i chain pull and then whoops shield block is gone

and i explode

[dry hawk]

yeah idk

[edgy widget]

also highly recommend you talent into BSV, which the default recommended build doesn't take for w/e reason; it can be a lifesaver in pugs

[brittle crow]

huh

[steel shard]

that is super fine

for 10s

[edgy widget]

your damage literally does not matter at all as a tank in rando 10-11 keys

[brittle crow]

bsv was in the build when i imported it

[steel shard]

not having ceath death

is trolling

who tf wrote the guide

[edgy widget]

not in their current one

[steel shard]

cheat

[dry hawk]

see thats what I thought

[edgy widget]

hasn't been there since the start of the season

[steel shard]

BSV is the BEST

tank cheat death

in the game

[brittle crow]

i miss nome

[steel shard]

on a 3min cd it is so good

[brittle crow]

can we make him come back

[fair talon]

guys i do not understand ONE thing.

why is catalyst boots BiS? should i catalyst my heroic Parasite stompers that have haste/mastery?

[steel shard]

sim it

[edgy widget]

no, you should sim your own gear and use the best of what you have available

[fair talon]

ye i know that it is just strange wowhead shows it as bis

[edgy widget]

BiS only matters in the context of having all of that gear available to you - it means absolutely nothing if you don't

[random shadow]

People and liking bis lists smh

[edgy widget]

because that list is a lot more geared than you are, and has very different stat considerations

[steel shard]

BiS list is such a classic wow thing

[keen kindle]

Bis lists are general reccomendations of gear to shoot for, not law

[fair talon]

do wowhead sim all available gear before making bis lists?

[edgy widget]

I already explained it twice

your shit gear != BiS gear

[random shadow]

Me debating if I wanna farm the gloves

[fair talon]

so bis gear does not exist

[edgy widget]

not until you have all of it, no

[gleaming marlin]

@edgy widget THIS FEELS GOOD

i just tried with lust

DAAAAMN

[fair talon]

ok now i kinda understand it

[olive wraith]

Individual pieces of gear are not Bis. If you have all pieces together then Bis exists

[gleaming marlin]

@winter shoal my goats

[random shadow]

Did you set it to 200?

[gleaming marlin]

yea

[winter shoal]

🫡

[lilac osprey]

bis gear is only the best gear if you have all of it if you dont have every peice a different combination might be better for you

[gleaming marlin]

this feels way better

[edgy widget]

good

now, you can leave it there, or you can try increasing it a bit to see if it still feels good

[gleaming marlin]

my G

im coming for that yellow name Arch

[edgy widget]

again, the idea is to stay on the highest setting that still feels responsive

[gleaming marlin]

okay boss

ty

[edgy widget]

and don't feel bad - people have been fooled by lag tolerance for years now
it's probably the #1 biggest piece of tribal knowledge in the game for high-haste instant classes like Warrior

[gleaming marlin]

yea bro i was legit tweaking

every pul on vorasius

my GCD's would like double go or i'd double press and was losing my mind

[edgy widget]

also btw, it's a persistent setting, so you don't have to reset it every time you login

[gleaming marlin]

W

[random shadow]

I had my set to 150 a while ago and forgot about it. Maybe I'll try 200. My pings like 50-68 is

[edgy widget]

yeah 150 is very low

[edgy widget]

I would start with about 250 for you

[oblique thistle]

Which setting are you guys talking about?

[random shadow]

Gcd doesn't feel bad tho

[gleaming marlin]

"spell queue window"

i was having issues with bloodlust and my CD's my haste was so high i was fucking up my rotation

[edgy widget]

that's the thing - lower always feels better, because it's more responsive, but you start clipping your GCDs, which is something you can't see

[fair talon]

if i have 4 set but want to upgrade champion piece to heroic. is it ok to roll for hc upgrade set piece in raid with pugs over someone who has no set or is it rude?

[random shadow]

Ic I'll try 250 when I get home

[edgy widget]

I mean it's a lil greedy, but you're allowed to roll as much as anyone else

[random shadow]

How do I tell the difference tho? Or if it's nice and works. Like between the 150 vs 250

[gleaming marlin]

@edgy widget do i need a special privelege to get Skyhold Streamer?

[olive wraith]

Imo it’s an upgrade. Roll for it

You might get hate whispers but oh well

[edgy widget]

basically, lag tolerance allows you to play ahead of the GCD

• play too close to it, and you'll fall under, which creates small gaps between your abilities
• play too far ahead of it, and it feels unresponsive... kind of "spongy" like you're pressing your keys and it lags for half a second before it goes off

The goal is to find a setting (usually between 200-300) that doesn't feel spongy, but doesn't eat into your GCDs either. Ideally, you want the highest number that still feels responsive

[edgy widget]

talk to Xan

[gleaming marlin]

ight G ty

[edgy widget]

you probably won't see a difference - 150 and 250 is 0.1 seconds, which is almost imperceptible, but as long as it doesn't feel noticeably worse, higher is going to be better in the long run

[random shadow]

Ic. I'll set it to 250 and try it

[edgy widget]

classes with a lot of hard casts, like traditional casters can get away with much higher numbers, because they're not beholden to the GCD the way melee are, that's why you commonly see advice to stay at the default of 400

[gleaming marlin]

@young swan give me skyhold streamer and (please*)

https://klipy.com/gifs/god-of-war-do-it

[fair talon]

how much for 80-100 ping?

[olive wraith]

Isn’t it user dependent

Gotta play around with it

[tiny seal]

so with normal ping of 20ish the optimal number would be like 150-200?

[mental grail]

does dungeon slice sim accurately for us?

[random shadow]

150 + ping

He says

[tiny seal]

oh ok

[mossy pelican]

alexa, what is 60 + 150

[edgy widget]

I said never go below 150 + your ping

[gleaming marlin]

need a #pin for this setting

[tiny seal]

had same issue where i would just double or triple cast rampage because of spam

[edgy widget]

that should be considered the floor, because if you go too low you start dealing with both latency and physical actuation time (the amount of time it takes to actually press your keys)

[gleaming marlin]

slap that shit in dps-faq arch

[gleaming marlin]

same

[random shadow]

Does this only affect gcd with high haste like lust? Or does this affect everything

[olive wraith]

57

[olive wraith]

Not really. What are you checking

[winter shoal]

It affects everything, the problem just doesn't really manifest at normal gcd values

It's only in high-haste situations that it really starts to matter

[mental grail]

droptimizer

[edgy widget]

yeah that's where the unresponsive or "spongy" feeling comes from

• with a default of 400, you're playing 0.4s ahead of the GCD, so you're queueing up Rampage pretty far in advance of it actually firing
• except one of the benefits drawbacks (in this case) is that it lets you change the queue before it goes off
  so your brain is thinking "Rampage, now Bloodthirst, now Rampage again" ...except what the game sees is "Cast Rampage in 0.4s... ok change that to cast Bloodthirst in 0.3s, ok change that to cast Rampage in 0.2s" before the ability ever actually goes off

[olive wraith]

What gear friend

[warm path]

So how boned is thane in 12.0.5? Is it gonna be all slayer all the time again?

[olive wraith]

Trinks or standard pieces

[mental grail]

trinks, as is i wanna know what is better for M+, gaze or puzzlebox

[edgy widget]

• Puzzlebox is better for pinpoint burst, making well coordinated big ass pulls in a place like Nexus or Pit
• Gaze is better for raw throughput

[random shadow]

Use both in keys duhhh

No need to sim it

I'm not coping gaze or anything

[gleaming marlin]

do i have a "tism" for being able to feel the difference between 200 and 250

i just tried both with lust and 250 was some shit

200 feels like the sweet spot lowkey

[warm path]

Nah 201

[gleaming marlin]

ur profile pic is perfect for that response

[warm path]

Lol

[random shadow]

How are you testing this with lust?

[gleaming marlin]

flying around whispering randoms with lust

then going on the dummies

[olive wraith]

Holy based

[random shadow]

Lmao

[gleaming marlin]

whatever it takes

for my parses

@random shadow finna stream our raid tonight come flame me later

[random shadow]

O.o is that so

[charred flume]

can crafted gear only go up to 285 not 289?

[winter shoal]

Correct

[charred flume]

why is that ?

[winter shoal]

Because it's effectively free and guaranteed

[charred flume]

fair enough

[winter shoal]

and can also have embellishments etc that normal pieces don't

[charred flume]

wish they would from the 272-289 thing

felt like a bait lmfao

[charred flume]

true

[edgy widget]

also because you can pick your desired stats; if crafted gear could go as high as normal gear, then most of your best gear would be crafted and they don't really want to guarantee players an effective BiS piece every 2 weeks

even more so considering that you can recraft their stats as much as you want

[charred flume]

well i mean yea thats why we only get two lol

just weird how they kinda bait the player

[edgy widget]

you only get two embellishments, there's no limit to the number of crafted items you can use

[charred flume]

yea that is true

[next mica]

and it just so happens that the embelished ones are also bis : )

[edgy widget]

so again, if they upgraded to the same level, they would end up invalidating most actual gear drops

[edgy widget]

well its the embellishments themselves that are "bis" because their added power more than makes up for the loss of item level

[charred flume]

i mean it wouldnt invalidate tier peice no ??

i mean thats alot lmao

[edgy widget]

not tier, but everything else

[charred flume]

yeaa

[edgy widget]

you have 16 gear pieces, tier takes up 4

let's disclude trinkets, in which case it's still only 4/14

[charred flume]

ya fair

[edgy widget]

so 10 crafted items and 4 tier pieces - doesn't sound very good does it?

[charred flume]

why not tho lets break the game

lmao

[edgy widget]

you're not breaking anything

you're just invaliding the rewards structure

[undone flower]

Gotta heat up that raidbot sub

[charred flume]

yea

[edgy widget]

why raid? why even log in when you can just get a new bis piece every 2 weeks automatically

[charred flume]

i mean thats vault system in a nut shell just more hoops ig lmao

[edgy widget]

the vault requires you to actually play the game though

you only get gear based on the activities you do

[charred flume]

i mean yea for sure

[edgy widget]

and it's random, you don't get to pick the precise piece you want, with the exact stats you want

[charred flume]

true

[hearty stream]

how do you "Set" it to 250? i tried reading back to what u guys were talking about and dont understand but run into the same issue

[edgy widget]

like or not, RNG is an essential part of a game's longevity - too much RNG is obviously a problem, but too little is just as bad

[remote bobcat]

fuckin facts right there

[edgy widget]

this covers the gist of it
#fury message

[next mica]

i just wish the vault wouldent be lost if you didint do anything on that charachter for a week

[hearty stream]

tyvm

[next mica]

kinda makes me lose motivation to make alts

[charred flume]

lmfao

[edgy widget]

Well, I don't like rewarding players for not doing anything 😛

[next mica]

ye but what if you didint even have the char at max level yet

[edgy widget]

but I think the main reason is that it could lead to degenerate strategies, where players purposefully "stack up" their vaults

[charred flume]

wait so do i cast odyns into rampage then those other burst abilitys

[next mica]

i think thats a lesser evil

[charred flume]

i suck at my class lmao

[next mica]

compared to striping away incentive for alts

[edgy widget]

then you didn't need vault gear yet!

[next mica]

plenty of times i was demotivated to make a alt just cause i would have suboptimal gear

[edgy widget]

idk, I think alts get gear way too easily as is, so you're not gonna find much sympathy from me 😛

if you want it, work for it!

[compact knot]

especially after the turbo boost lmao

gear is crazy easy for alts

which is also like the most popular time for alts

and for good reason

[smoky vale]

@dapper goblet this piggie got fed

a chest boe

[next mica]

i just dont see how i could work for mythic gear on my alts cause its unlikely il be raiding mythic on them aswell (outside of vault)

i dont mind farming gear in m+ and stuff like that

[olive wraith]

That’s kinda the game though isn’t it

[next mica]

well im saying it shouldent be like that regarding vault

[olive wraith]

I’m confused

[next mica]

thats most likely cause you didint read

[olive wraith]

You want vault slots

Without playing

[undone flower]

They are adding a kinda catch up system soon

[olive wraith]

Am I understanding that correctly

[next mica]

no,

[grand vale]

alts get gear crazy fast

[compact knot]

you could go play cookie clicker

[next mica]

i want to be able to get vaultslots i missed

not saying you should just have them

[olive wraith]

You didn’t miss them though

You just didn’t play that week on that character

[next mica]

if you dont play a week the vault is completely missed

[grand vale]

I got my bear to 90 and could instantly run a t11 delve with the leveled valeera from the main and the warbound gear the warrior collected

You also have all the catalyst charges

[remote bobcat]

so you want an untouched character in week 5 to be able to have 5 vaults ?

[next mica]

what if the charachter dosent exist yet? and you just leveld him up

[olive wraith]

Ya this isn’t healthy lma

[compact knot]

if the character literally doesnt exist it doesnt deserve to get loot

[undone flower]

voidcore in .5 will do that kronzo

[olive wraith]

Then you don’t miss the vaults

[next mica]

• it really dosent matere if the charachter exists or not i still think you should be able to have a backup

[grand vale]

The alt had 240 ilvl without running a single dungeon or raid

in 1 day

[next mica]

wdym?

[grand vale]

no crafted item either

i think that's fast enough

[olive wraith]

You don’t have access to the vaults

So you don’t miss them

[next mica]

ok bro

[olive wraith]

If a brand new player joins the game

[undone flower]

You can catch up with crafted items

[next mica]

i dont think its that hard of a concept to grasp

[olive wraith]

They shouldn’t be able to get max ilvl day 1

[next mica]

ofc they should he is a brand new player and is now later in the season

he just needs to play 100 m+ for all the vault slots

[compact knot]

its not hard to grasp

its just kinda a wrong statement

the progression of this game is through gear

[olive wraith]

What a take

[grand vale]

Vault is not really necessary tbh

[compact knot]

and you want the progression to essentially all be skipped

[olive wraith]

I think we understand each other

We just disagree

[compact knot]

on characters that dont even exist yet

[next mica]

thats not progression thats just catching up

[compact knot]

nah thats progression

[undone flower]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/bonus-rolls-are-returning-in-patch-12-0-5-with-knockout-system-380757

[pliant jackal]

Wow purposely has reduce the grind for gear.

[remote bobcat]

No he'd still be doing everything that everyone else did every week, he just doesnt want to be timegated, instead he wants a non-timegated version of the same progression up to the point where you match everyone else...which i dont like personally but yea

[pliant jackal]

The average wow player is a working man

[compact knot]

ik working men who still get 8x vaults on 4 characters and mythic raid 5 days a week

[remote bobcat]

^

[compact knot]

so

[pliant jackal]

Well that’s all they do as hobby then

wtf

[remote bobcat]

My buddy is a higher up at Redbull, bro is on events and doesnt have a good schedule and he still goes for cutting edge

so like

🤷‍♂️

[olive wraith]

But also

[compact knot]

if you dont have kids or a significant other its pretty freeasy

[olive wraith]

What you’re describing is low key crafted gear isn’t it

You run the keys for crests

And craft 8 pieces

[charred estuary]

20% chance to reap on rampage does not feel like enough

[undone flower]

Or new bonus rolls of .5

[remote bobcat]

yes except everyone else gets vaults AND crafted gear, so theres more mixing and matching

[next mica]

• arent sparks farmable anyway later in the season? isint that essentialy same thing as skiping prog?

[remote bobcat]

They are not no

u get 1 spark per week.

[undone flower]

You catch up sparks

[olive wraith]

Sure. But the people who have been playing probably still have 4~ crafted items max

[compact knot]

this sounds even more cancer for alts btw

[undone flower]

A dude who gets vaults don’t craft all his gear

[compact knot]

not time gating m+ vaults

[pliant jackal]

They is nothing wrong with gear being easier to get

[remote bobcat]

you'd only be removing the "past" time gate, but you keep the one week to week kha

are u dense

[olive wraith]

Gear being too easy is a problem

[compact knot]

thats not what i mean

let me do

32 keys in 1 week on my alt

cancer

[remote bobcat]

literally what we did in turbo boost on main

[undone flower]

new player friendly

[remote bobcat]

and then on alts too

[pliant jackal]

Well it depends on what you define as gearing being easy

[compact knot]

nah

i did

4 keys

and upgraded all my crests because i saved my shit ones

[remote bobcat]

Not everyone gets to bank crests

Banking all crests is the optimal case

[pliant jackal]

I think midnight gearing is perfectly fine

[remote bobcat]

hard disagree lol

[next mica]

flightstones were hardcancer im prepared to die on a hill 4 this 1

[compact knot]

you are right

awful mechanic

[warm crag]

man prepared to fight war against literally no one

[pliant jackal]

Other then the game tuning being off

[remote bobcat]

literally everyone agrees

[next mica]

ez war then

[warm garden]

anyone know the breakpoint for haste and mast, ive tried going thru the faq and several sites and cant find anything, new to fury 😄

[olive wraith]

Doesn’t exist

We sim

[remote bobcat]

theres no such thing

[pliant jackal]

Gearing is fine it’s the content being on the easy side that is the problem

[warm garden]

interesting i didnt know that

[remote bobcat]

that hasnt existed for years

on most specs

(some very small exceptions exist)

[warm garden]

simming doesnt tell me if there is a breakpoint lol

i main outlaw rogue

[next mica]

what they mean is when you hit that "breaking point" you will start siming higher when other stats aswell

[remote bobcat]

tbh it absolutely does if you work it out

[warm crag]

there is no reason for you to know about breakpoints, simming your currently available gear and simming potentially acquirable gear through droptimizers/top gear sims with items added into it will answer any question that is worth asking

[next mica]

its essentialy a non problem as long as you sim yourself constantly

[warm garden]

gotcha im used to some specs where its like you need x haste minimum for example

so fury is just stack haste mast and regularly sim

[olive wraith]

Fury is sim constantly

[warm garden]

im simming will let me know what gems to use

[warm crag]

even those specs dont specifically need you to know that you need x haste the sim will just cover that for you

[undone flower]

X haste to unlock what ?

[remote bobcat]

some specs needed a set amount of haste to even out energy generation or like a set amount of mini cds within big cd

but those are the vast minority

[warm garden]

you unlock whatever is the reason the haste percent is needed silly 🙂

[rigid prism]

does anyone have a tip or trick for a newby fury warrior trying to learn the rotation, Im having issues remembering the prios of thunder blast and execute in aoe and ST and with CDs and not

[undone flower]

Bc breakpoints were stuff like 30% crit on frost mage is 100% crit chance on that

[warm garden]

appreciate the help lads

[olive wraith]

It’s just practice bud

[stoic kindle]

i just press buttons tbh

[remote bobcat]

Btw try to avoid thinking like that. As a rule of thumb: yes we want haste mastery. As a strict rule: Absolutely not.
We are very prone to "overcapping" (if you wanna call it that) a stat, to where it drops below both crit and vers in value. That's why we just sim and call it a day in like 99% of cases

[slim coral]

Buggy mess?

What bug are you running into?

It's ran flawless for me

[civic hemlock]

The bottom row of my bars turn into super small icons in combat

[warm garden]

so i should start paying reall attention if im ever getting near dr. i honestly think based off the advice nonstop simming will ensure it doesnt happen ty

[civic hemlock]

And the enrage bar randomly disappears during combat

Despite it being active

[slim coral]

that's not an ayjie thing

that's on blizzards end

[pliant jackal]

Jesus what’s with this chat today

[olive wraith]

Today?

[slim coral]

also that sounds like something wrong with the settings rather than the addon

[remote bobcat]

Yea so the easy way is calling it "just practice", but in reality I'd recommend you look at individual things.
Initially, i think you should tailor your UI to where you track all the necessities for the current priority list. Main ones being Enrage and Whirlwind stacks.
Then just kinda work on target dummies or dungeon fights. Think about one thing at a time. Like really focus on rampaging at the right rage amount. Ignore whirlwind stacks ignore other priorities. Just keep that one thing in mind until you build muscle memory.
Once you feel you got that done, go focus on the next thing

[ocean hearth]

You don’t need to sim if you don’t want to. You can just aim for these %’s and you’ll do fine for most content. Just adjust targets for m+

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/warrior/fury/secondary_distributions/castingpatchwerk

[remote bobcat]

nonstop simming? Meh you kinda get a feel for it once you sim enough and the upgrades turn into sidegrades

[olive wraith]

This is silly advice

[remote bobcat]

this is bad advice.

[rigid prism]

thast actually a great tip ty

[civic hemlock]

Oh actually? If it’s a blizzard problem, how would I go about fixing it? I’ve messed with the settings a few times to try and fix it but had no luck

[slim coral]

There is nothing you can do

[ocean hearth]

Explain how

[slim coral]

We just have to wait for blizzard

[warm garden]

ill give it a look

[stoic kindle]

use the buff icon

[warm garden]

gotcha

[civic hemlock]

Ah well that is unfortunate and yea I guess I’ll have to switch to just using the buff icon until it works properly

[warm crag]

genuinely terrible advice please dont do that again

[civic hemlock]

Thanks for letting me know

[warm crag]

if you want to give an "easy option" just equip ilvl and you'll probably be within 95% of optimum in your bag

[remote bobcat]

You're essentially guesstimating without actually understanding your character (more specifically how your character functions with trinket procs and consumables)

[ocean hearth]

That’s not an explanation of why that’s bad

And it’s not guesstimating. That’s a BiS scenario. The %’s check out

[warm crag]

do you have bis gear

[remote bobcat]

oml you cannot be saying BIS scenario

[stoic kindle]

67% of the percents are made up

[ocean hearth]

No. Bit the %s still apply

[warm crag]

they do not

[remote bobcat]

They do not

[ocean hearth]

They aren’t made up though lol. It’s the stat weights of the gear

[warm crag]

yes they are the highest simming gears stats on a random race you dont even know

do you have all that gear right now? if yes you're currently in rwf and on the bench

[ocean hearth]

You don’t need that gear. It’s the stat weights

That’s the point

[remote bobcat]

cantrip effects, trinkets, consumables

[warm crag]

the stat weights assume you have the highest ilvl gear fully assembled and it also assumes you are playing the race that sim is simmed as

do you know what race the sim you linked is?

[ocean hearth]

Races sim a 1% difference if that

Are you dumb

[warm crag]

it will affect stat weights

[ocean hearth]

It doesn’t

[remote bobcat]

it does

Some races benefit more from crit than others

[warm crag]

you are unaware of what you are speaking about and you should stop giving advice in public forums

[remote bobcat]

for example

[warm crag]

if you want to parrot shit advice at least parrot to just equip highest ilvl cause then people wont grief themselves feelycrafting stat weights that are optimal in 4 weeks

[slim coral]

Telling someone to not sim alone is just not good advice. How would they know which trinket is better without a sim

[remote bobcat]

Endzy the reason it is bad advice is because you are justifying a lazy way of looking at the game which can and will lead to an infectiously lazy way of looking at the game. You are damaging the curiousity of a player asking for advice

Yes you can get through general content with it

[ocean hearth]

No, I’m giving him a casual approach

[remote bobcat]

but the advice is bad nonetheless

[stoic kindle]

whats your current pawn string?

[ocean hearth]

It’s not bad advice. It’s casual advice

[warm crag]

the obvious casual approach is to just equip ilvl

your approach will have people actively grief themselves by equipping shit trinkets because it gives them a stat the main stat bis trinket wont give them

[olive wraith]

It’s essentially “just stack haste and mastery”

[remote bobcat]

the casual advice is to not worry about too much and play what feels best since thats all you need for casual play

[ocean hearth]

The website has trinkets. What are you on about

[warm crag]

so your advice is to have people sift through sims they dont understand to try to piece together some stat weights they dont understand including trinket sims that dont model their character or the content they are trying to do instead of just telling them to equip ilvl or to just sim themselves

[ocean hearth]

Not at all

[remote bobcat]

• Equip top trinkets on bloodmallet
• Aim for bloodmallet % breakdown
• realize you're more than variation away from bis after doing a single sim
• regret

[olive wraith]

Let’s phrase it this way. If you go to a class discord and ask a class specific question. Would you want a casual answer or the best answer

[remote bobcat]

Amen dawg

[ocean hearth]

someone asks about breakpoints
you reply there arent breakpoints
reality there are breakpoints and DR's apply

[warm crag]

i mean casual oriented questions are asked commonly and deserve answers too

[olive wraith]

There are no breakpoints we follow

[warm crag]

where did someone say there are no breakpoints

[remote bobcat]

No there are no breakpoints what are you talking about

unless you have some magic definition of a stat breakpoint

[warm crag]

nvm instantly disproven

[sudden tusk]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1212528993283088384/1228863090368450592/ezgif-2-db49a54415.gif

[pliant jackal]

lol

[remote bobcat]

Diminishing returns are not the same as stat breakpoints, in case you're thinking about that

[pliant jackal]

Arms or fury player

[sudden tusk]

fury ofc

[olive wraith]

Correct me if I’m wrong. But typically breakpoints are like “stack haste to 20% then move on to other stats”

[charred flume]

why is aoe thane better for some raids why is like more dominant then slayer ?

[pliant jackal]

Sweet dog tho

[remote bobcat]

if can pad, pad

[charred flume]

word

[sudden tusk]

https://giphy.com/gifs/jojo-true-zeppeli-Yk6YtiXC2cNrhICanJ

[stoic kindle]

someone has to kill the adds

[sullen dove]

colossus on dragons is kind of cinema

play it @sudden tusk

[sudden tusk]

Smorbsmish needs to position behind the adds to hit dragons with cleave too

[sullen dove]

later

[winter shoal]

Swordish joined a good guild

actually progging

[sullen dove]

looking at paladins

gg

boss will not explode in hour and a half

[winter shoal]

dragons did not explode in an hour and a half for us

[sullen dove]

was awarded boe chestplate tho

poggers

[winter shoal]

got to like 25% in 2 hours

[sudden tusk]

boe holy

[sullen dove]

first piece of myth loot awarded out of raid is a boe

large

[sudden tusk]

ill put my time in the mines on paladins

[remote bobcat]

Yes but breakpoints specifically refer to a point where one stat below will not allow you to do something where one stat above will allow you to do something.
Diminishing returns exist continuously regardless of breakpoints, and they also apply before and after breakpoints so it's like 🤷‍♂️

[sullen dove]

dragons is funny cuz u just kinda kill it if you live 2nd intermission i feel like

[sudden tusk]

for now i enjoy fury on dargon

[sullen dove]

no new mechanics

tanks just have to live

[sudden tusk]

30s with nothing ya

[sullen dove]

i liked arms on dragons cuz u didnt have to worry about cd timing or holding or anything as much

i still missed some add sets with cs/demo cuz i am too ethical for my own good

but its so easy to hit every set

vs "oh god i need my uptime for avatar cdr oh gosh"

[olive wraith]

Frost mage was like this with crit or something right?

[sullen dove]

using all cds on pull is just kind of flame

they come back in like 20s

[remote bobcat]

Dont know. I refuse to look at mage information as much as possible

[olive wraith]

[remote bobcat]

other classes sure but not mage

Mage specifically can get shot and die

[next mica]

i rly miss dragon's roar in academy :' )

[remote bobcat]

I want summer to come back just so i can kill more insects

[next mica]

not a fan of the tank dps on the first pull

[charred flume]

is rampaging ruin better over massacre?

[remote bobcat]

rampaging ruin is a very poorly designed talent in its current state, afaik there is no content in which you'd want to take it

[winter shoal]

No, rampaging ruin is extremely stinky

[charred flume]

cool, thank u

[olive wraith]

Pretty sure current kit is better aoe than any DF season

[mint moat]

are we sending execute over BT in ST thane with no cds up?

[olive wraith]

That sounds wrong

[mint moat]

or is it only SD procs

[sullen dove]

bt should always be better than exe as thane im pretty sure just about always

we like bt in this household

but can exe right after if u have it up still and dont need to hit ramp

[mint moat]

so it essentially becomes BT execute ramp until we get two stacks

then TB BT ramp

[winter shoal]

There's no fixed rotation

[mint moat]

if we arent rage starved

certainly not its always something going

[olive wraith]

Ramp for enrage or more than 100 rage

Double check wowhead if you ever get confused

[mint moat]

i get it but min maxing is the difference

its not straight forward or everyone would be 100% parsers

[olive wraith]

Knowing the rotation is different than executing it

[finite moon]

cape or bracer

[gleaming marlin]

@random shadow come king

[slim coral]

Belo finally dead

Now it’s mythic Lura time

[modest condor]

that was a quick pull

[sullen dove]

inb4 lura 10 pulls

tho idk

like 5 hours left in raid day

would think small going dark angle but maybe too much time not streamin

be a bit too cringe

they just had to tactically be like 3 hours slower in killing bird

then wouldve kept strats hidden

[modest condor]

that's a lot of interrupts you need

[winter shoal]

3 melee btw

[feral ivy]

anyone ++12 WS? i just need to check how much points u got

[sullen dove]

eh just prot warr interrupting shout

heres a 1 chest seat ran like last week

oop mouseover lul

365

but prolly like idk 10 more points maybe for 2chest

[feral ivy]

we were like 5seconds away from 2 chesting it but sadly didint so i wanna know if its a major diff in point

[sullen dove]

idk doubt its much more than single digits

[winter shoal]

scott said it didn't work

avengers shield did though I believe

[edgy widget]

I think Wrecking Throw works

it's actually kinda hard to find in the log, cause it's not listed as an interrupt, but based on timestamps it looked like it did

[astral root]

Is Arcanoweave wrists and Hunt wep still best embellishments?

[faint hearth]

yep

[astral root]

Cool. Ty 😊

[rare blaze]

are we just spamming rampage during reck

even if under 100 rage

[bright ledge]

rampage >everything

yes

[modest crater]

in mass aoe is it worth fishing for a tb proc with bt in between thunderclap rampage spam?

[sullen dove]

youll run out of rage to press rampage eventually so ya that'll happen

but only when you know u wont overcap rage from tc > bt > tc

[modest crater]

i guess in cooldown windows when i have perma ragge

[sullen dove]

yea u cant do that forever

but yea

[bitter palm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1472976965353996413/1487209436526415993/ezgif-260a04d1d1163691.gif

[sullen dove]

dratnos moment

[modest condor]

honestly i would do that at least once if it wasnt gonna brick the key

[slim coral]

I’m doing that in the next key I do

[pliant jackal]

lmao

[sudden tusk]

slayed

idk what the yare gonna do with logs becuase actually lmao on the amount of pad in this raid

[pliant jackal]

yall got any more of that 1k gold world quest

crafting and consumables are drying my money

[unborn delta]

im a spoonfed chudmonkey

[rare blaze]

even bloodbath? or weave that

[sour frigate]

u cant rampage without bloodbath eventually

[sour frigate]

TURBO

[slim coral]

The correct order is rampage when over 100 rage and then bloobath when under 100 rage, then you rampage if you cannot bloodbath anymore

[gleaming marlin]

@sullen dove this beloren parse was for you

[charred flume]

am always 100% of the time maxing my rage to 130 then rampaging ?

other then when my enrage is falling off ofc

[slim coral]

no

you ramp at 100 rage

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/race/latest?region=1&subregion=1

@fleet sorrel

we're back

[fleet sorrel]

?

[slim coral]

you pinged me yesterday asking where we were at

[fleet sorrel]

washed

[dapper goblet]

cant post that if you're not in

[sullen dove]

is pjer one of baze’s mirror mains

[smoky vale]

xoes did you witness the piggy (soredish) getting fed

[sullen dove]

that character got more loot in the splits I’m assuming than his main

[slim coral]

No gm is tryign to split play time

[sudden tusk]

lura harder then dragons

heroic boss lmao

[dapper goblet]

pardon

[dapper goblet]

why would you split time on the end boss

[slim coral]

belo is looking more like the end boss

although L'ura is looking kinda good

[smoky vale]

bro got boe chest

big suckling

[young swan]

good

yeah

definitely good

definitely not impossible for anyone not in liquid or echo

[slim coral]

I mean no one is reaching the end boss the first week besides them anyways

fuck it

[thorny sparrow]

Question on the recommended raid talent tree being slayer, unless I'm missing something the vast vast majority of top parses are all in mountain thane and it seems to be overall doing better than slayer. What's causing this discrepancy?

[slim coral]

Moutain Thane = Pad

[young swan]

slayer does like 1% more ST at the cost of 15% less aoe

[slim coral]

and raid has lots of pad

[thorny sparrow]

I considered that but voracious where pad barely factors due to the adds being low hp and not up 90% of the time still has thane as way ahead, Salhadaar is the exception where Slayer is objectively better, but even as pad given the raid are numbers shouldn't it be recommending thane for those fights where it performs better than slayer? All things being equal

[slim coral]

there's still ads on vorcaious tho esp as you get towards the end

they are in cleave range off of boss

hitting 6 ads and boss = stonks

[young swan]

where are you looking for the "recommended raid build"

[thorny sparrow]

The pins here

In this discord

[young swan]

simply put, its information made for the masses. The average discord goer will just look for a build and use it. That said, we have recommendations on a per boss basis, so im not really sure what you're referring to

[thorny sparrow]

Yeah but even the per boss listing has slayer for over half the fights and in the numbers says Slayer is strictly better but even taking padding into account it isn't reflected by the logs. The per boss recommended pins are what I was talking about as well.

[young swan]

yeah i mean people are lazy and there are differences between mythic and heroic

most of those suggestions are made through the lens of heroic, just because logs dont reflect whats recommended doesnt necessarily mean the information is bad. It's more so that people cant be assed to swap when theres such a subtle difference

[jolly quail]

fury in myth so far feels kind of bad IMO. Feel like without the pad our ST is garbage comparative to other classes

[frank dawn]

that's because it is lol

the only thing keeping us remotely relevant atm is our add pad

[woven valley]

yeah spec feeels rough af

[slim coral]

its wild becuase warrior has 2 dps specs neither are really that good, meanwhile casters have 3 dps specs and 2 are meta a lot of hte time

[woven valley]

blizz hates brown bois

its honestly a bit crazy they nerf us when theres classes that are huge outliers

[restive peak]

They don't like the tclap spam, which is fair, it's the lack of compensation that makes zero sense to me

We are honestly not great currently, and we will be very not great at everything soon

[modest condor]

50% tblast buff incoming

[restive peak]

Imagine

[rocky chasm]

I feel Like the higher the Key Level our dps gets even worse. Bigger pulls, less frequent and Boss Fights are longer.

[olive wraith]

Bigger pulls aren’t as problematic these days

We have soft capped damage now

[woven valley]

id rather see a buff to bloodthirst and bloodbath to push us toward fishing for tblast more

but either will work

we already dont use raging blow kek

[modest condor]

st/5target doesnt matter in m+ if you do 0 uncapped aoe tho

and the reduced cdr on the thane talent already pushes us to more bb casts

[woven valley]

i know im just saying no compensation buffs is rough

its just gonna make us worse than we already are compared to top end classes

but we will see what they do

[restive peak]

Bigger pulls/longer pulls in high keys benefit us if we get 3-4 CD rotations

But it will be a ton weaker after .5

[woven valley]

its gonna be night and day

[unborn delta]

.5 gotta go arms m+ a la s2 tww

sadly

[restive peak]

M+ will be arms for sure

[unborn delta]

or maybe happily

[woven valley]

i already am not having fun in raid if they kill mplus for me too?

[olive wraith]

Tb buff and a more reliable charge gain

[unborn delta]

colo gonna feel so good

always up

[restive peak]

But raid yet to be seen, considering we're already basically a bench role for the most part

[olive wraith]

Like every 3 seconds in avatar gain a tb charge

Or something

[unborn delta]

my guild cant bench me they ahve sunk cost fallacy from giving me so much mythic loot

oink oink

https://giphy.com/gifs/piggy-CDMe5rnR7ZRx6

[woven valley]

slayer needs some heavy single target buffs

and thane needs some compensation buffs for the thunder clap nerf

[spare steppe]

Both arms and fury ST leaves a bit to be desired

[unborn delta]

12.0.5 they just give us mfo tier 🤔

[astral path]

One of our mages that dies like every pull tried to call me out for dying to this 😭

Let’s get some pro analysis on this image

[sullen dove]

what

[unborn delta]

The skeleton got him

[weary void]

@edgy widget Hei, want to say thank you for the guid in wowhead first.
Is it possible to update the BIS List with a column "Alternative from M+". Until we manage to get Overall BIS, would be helpful to see which one is bis from the m+

[smoky vale]

the best way to do that on your own is to run a droptimizer for the dungeons

[edgy widget]

don't worry about bis whatsoever until you're full mythic geared and finished with progression

[weary void]

@edgy widget Yea, was just thinking it's nice to follow some items from M+ while spamming them ^_^

[indigo arch]

Puzzle box, seat glove, skyreach trinket

There's the relevant m+ items

[empty sandal]

Hey boys, when we're in our cooldowns and have bloodthirsts, rampages, executes and thunder blasts spewing out our ass, should we just smash thunder blasts and rampage primarily so our cooldowns come back faster and odyns fury comes back faster with 4 set?

[uncut widget]

Hello guys, so I have been gearing up my fury warrior and did some research about stats prio (Haste >= Mastery > Critical Strike = Versatility), is that right ? However every veteran/champion items I get in bags/quests etc.. have a lot of crit ! Am I doing something wrong ? Is it ok to leave "Fury" as loot spec ? I was thinking maybe puting arm would give me more Haste/Mastery items, no idea, any infos appreciated!

[smoky vale]

then you should listen to my suggestion

you shouldnt worry about stats on gear until you are way higher ilvl

and loot spec does not affect the stats of the gear you are getting

[forest swallow]

Once you get to M+ you'll be just fine (you'll have actual choice)! Keep on cruising!

[uncut widget]

@smoky vale Alright, thanks, I'm just worrying about upgrading champion/hero items with crest even though they have crit

[sullen dove]

yea crit is not bad for us really

only thing thats particularly poopoo rn is verse

but later season's we'll go back to wanting to gobble it all up

[modest condor]

ilvl > stats

[sullen dove]

and yea

upgrading is more strength which matters more

[modest condor]

you dont start caring about what stats are on your gear until you're farming m+/progging mythic raid

[uncut widget]

Thanks a lot !

[smoky vale]

but youd only do that after you have everything 3/6 hero

another day still r1

[weary void]

yea, I will definetly do that, but I was thinking as an improvement for wowhead, something that everyone can use fast. I guess it's the same bis bis for everyone, but droptimizer help you get things up from where each person find itself

[smoky vale]

bis bis is so far away

its such a joke

robot is best

[hearty stream]

in 6+ targets is thunderClap better than bloodthirst?

[smoky vale]

during avatar

[hearty stream]

ty

[fading sky]

Yet rwf guilds at 280🤣

Never have i seem em so geares

[spare helm]

Did any of u guys do beloran on HC yet?
My parse is giga ass bc my guild is to stupid to do it properly and we meeles have to run around the fking arena for the soak -_-

Fking hurts that a guild is ti stupid to properly pull thr boss and the soaks are in thr middle of nowhere that 58 hurts gotta pug that away today 😂

[lucid epoch]

All things equal, how do I know when to prioritize Bloodthirst/bath, rampage, or execute?

[gleaming marlin]

🐷

[gleaming marlin]

yea

[chilly zodiac]

bloodthirst/bath > rampage>execute. if rage capped or will be soon, rampage

[spare helm]

Gimme

[gleaming marlin]

take it

[spare helm]

My guild fking had birb in middlr and all soaks on the corners of the arena on the wall such BS

No way to keep uptime

[gleaming marlin]

i didnt get a single soak

and i didnt move to a single soak

😄

i just wait for the adds

to come back to the big bird

and start cleaving

[gaunt loom]

back to fury

arms too hard

[fading sky]

It is such a fight y

To parse get no soaks

[spare helm]

@gleaming marlin i never cleaved once actively bc played slayer
Prolly gonna pug mit MT and cleave that way so it looks better fk moving i want a bette rparse
58 hurts

[gleaming marlin]

you cant parse with slayer

unfort

there isnt a real way to pad

[indigo arch]

Really hope thane doesn't get taken out back and shot, arms is so fucking clunky

[spare helm]

Ye i tried slayer for ST on 1 try i was at 85k tho but we dies at 2% left

Id be happy with 85k without pad

But nooooo we play it like morons

Fking annoying me sooooo bad

[sullen dove]

it be like it do

[spare helm]

Ye still hurts i tried to tell them but i only got shouted at and told its stupid and wed have to little space for movement in egg phase

Markers are where soaks are and tanked in the middle so we can attack
I still dont see to little space 🙃

[sullen dove]

idk when i did it whipping a pug group into shape as a tank i just had everyone drop them along the wall basically

wherever u put the soaks shouldnt matter too much so long as you keep middle clear and tanks can always keep boss nearby to almost have full uptime

but for heroic p1 they put em against the wall by moon then p2 other corner

was pretty chill as hell

p2 its nicer too to go to an edge as soon as possible so you can deal with 1 color of wall right away and not have to worry about the 2nd, whereas if you dropped them closer to middle near markers very likely you have to deal with 2 opposing color walls in very quick succession or possibly even during the soak which is just gonna turbo kill you

so think its just giga easy entire raid moves 1 direction, clear the closest wall to you then both soaks go through, then infinite time to handle soaks and can worry about second wall after its done

[spare helm]

Why doesnt it safe my colouring 🫠

Ok it doesnt show for some reason 😂

But basicly whrr u see the trees

That where te soaks had to be

[compact knot]

this tank comp

deja vu

[toxic iron]

guys how is my build atm?

should i have more crit like 24/25%?

[twin pulsar]

sim

[toxic iron]

already did

it say 84.8k dps

is it good?

[worn rain]

with current ilvl range this meme is even more relevant

[compact knot]

a dps sim doesnt tell you anything

use top gear

or droptimizer

also yeah secondaries are the least important right now because main stat just gaps everything else

which is also why arcanoweave is so disgusting for us

because it gives a lot of main stat

[heavy dock]

Yea i honestly dont understand why people keep doing this instead if doing 1 sim

[compact knot]

The only sim people know how to do is quick sim

Which doesn't really do anything for you except bait people into think they are playing the spec wrong because they are for some strange reason doing 20k less dps then the sim that hits a patchwerk boss for 5 mins with lust and every raid buff and consumable, vs them hitting a target dummy with only bshout.

I do like quick Sims to send to people though to stomp on their sim dps it's fun.

[toxic iron]

i was using drptimizer to be fair

[compact knot]

Try top gear

[toxic iron]

but as i already said here

im lacking crit

and i see it on the screen

[compact knot]

You are yes

[toxic iron]

i dont need any program to see that

to be honest

i mean, numerically speaking on the monitor

i played alot of arms

and never played fury before

the difference in crit is huge

but i dont know if its for the spec difference

or because my secondary stats is unbalanced

[compact knot]

Spec difference

[toxic iron]

for exemple droptimizer say that i lose 4.3k dps if i put a crit right

naa i never even think about hitting the same mark of the sim

because is perfect condition

and as u know there is not something like that on raid

expecially if u are pugging only

i dont have a guild

but i want to know how much difference there is between 21% crit ( like the top warriors) and mine 10%/11%

and it seems more evident in single target then packs

my mastery before was even higher at 51%

following wowhead without thinking is not a good choise

and im here not to get trolled but to be advised by people more expirienced then me on this spec

[compact knot]

@toxic iron what Stats is that bottom ring

[valid wedge]

Hi, is this rotation good, or can I improve it?

[supple glen]

idk if its cool or sad that i dont have troubles getting invited to pug raids, but its because im the only warrior often times

[quiet osprey]

I have like 50+% crit on fury because I oriented my gear towards arms 😂

[compact knot]

Your biggest issue is that you cant really replace any of your jewelry with crit pieces without hurting your mastery or haste

Like removing that ring hurts your mastery too much for crit to be better

Ideally you get the 2 nexus point rings so you can use your neck proc

And they both have very good stats

[uneven path]

Or get the gloves from seat

[compact knot]

He can't get the gloves from seat

He has 289 gloves

Is a downgrade

[uneven path]

Oh yeh

[compact knot]

But yes gloves from seat would be the best way to proc the neck

[uneven path]

idk I think even the ring is down grad due to mastery loss

[compact knot]

His sim might not even want more crit also

[uneven path]

Yeh, I think for fury he has enough, I think sims will want him to push haste

[compact knot]

Issue is all characters are different and want different stats

[uneven path]

Yeh pretty much, tbh my robot loves to push me to insane amouth of haste.

[compact knot]

I could help him more if I wasn't tired and also on my phone zzz

[radiant river]

Hello everyone, I'm hoping someone can help me because I'm going crazy. I need to track the four Whirlwind stacks during a fight because I always lose count and consequently my DPS. Does anyone know how I can do this?

[native wadi]

Sensei resource bars addon

You can copy critcakes set up

Or cook something

Its fairly easy

[radiant river]

Does it work like Weak Aura?

[supple glen]

try cooldown manager?

[radiant river]

@supple glen I tried to use it but I don't understand how it works, I wasted hours on it 🙁

[fiery tide]

you just drag the whirlwind buff to tracked buffs and thats it with cooldown manager

[heavy dock]

Does anyone know a setting in plater that makes nameplates not stack into eachother? But go on top of each other? I’ve been having this behavior since prepatch but didnt bother to fix it. It is a bit annoying ngl tho

Didnt happen before that tho

[toxic iron]

thanks to everyone for your suggestion boys

[elfin mauve]

Hello, guys. Sorry for the exhausted question. Every guide i see is saying to Rampage to Enrage or to exclude rage overcapping, even in our CDs. But im opening top logs and people there just spam Rampage as much as possible as soon they have rage on it. So we giga Rampage during CDs and without them just following >100/Enrage maintain rule?

[toxic iron]

ye i was thinking about changing hands but its impossible being mythic..

QQ

[placid turret]

Prolly cuz of the 4 set but don't quote me on it

[tepid beacon]

is there a reason the dialog won't allow to show an upgrade to max ilvl here? just greyed out

gewtting that error

[proud vessel]

why is arms ranked higher for m+?

[fast mural]

cause you dont have enough crests selected
you can press "max all" so it works

[tepid beacon]

oh ty

[fading bane]

Cus it does more overall/arms players have higher score than fury players

[hushed ocean]

really think about switching to arms...u can't actually pad in fury

everyone pad stronger than us

[digital tundra]

how much worse is slayer than thane in M+?

[potent thicket]

padd?

[hushed ocean]

adds are dying way too quick

i mean, chimaera, saladar, voracius

[jovial dagger]

because it has better cleave and the buff compensates the st

[jovial dagger]

u gotta also click max currencies above

add max or however its called

[past wyvern]

I was thinking around the same, + my wrist honestly start hurting after a good 2 hours of prog

[uneven path]

Same, tbh if the slayer was better, then I wouldn't even consider it, but Mt being better at least for parsing... And playing slayer just feels like self sabotaging I might try arms for raid.

[native wadi]

Had the same till i changed my binds

What do you have for ramp rb bt?

[past wyvern]

Ive got 2 3 4 for the them three

[compact knot]

Arms is kinda even more sabotage for boss dps

So

[native wadi]

Not really in voralius I slap

And I can help with add without turning

In mythic it helps

[uneven path]

Idk after last rounds of buffs it seems to be fine, not great but fine

[native wadi]

Specially when we were 268/9

[compact knot]

It's aight on voracius

That is the one fight arms boss damage is good

[native wadi]

Now probably doesnt matter

I just die of aids playing slayer

[compact knot]

Slayer arms is awful

[native wadi]

Cant do it in single

[compact knot]

Idk

[native wadi]

Wdym

[digital tundra]

whats wrong with playing slayer?

[uneven path]

I guess I will stuck with slury for now. Now way I will touch MT

[compact knot]

It's so shit

You have 0 buttons

[native wadi]

Arms slayer is fire

[compact knot]

Like

[native wadi]

What? You have 6 in the basic rotation

Fury has 3

🤣

[compact knot]

That is not the point I'm making

[native wadi]

I cant do slayer fury

Prefer mt if i cant mt i go arms

Thats my to go so far

[compact knot]

It has too much downtime

[native wadi]

But im 3/9 not super progressing

It has 0 down time

[past wyvern]

I would personally would've loved fury if i could just be slayer 24/7

[heavy dock]

i hate slayer

i want to clappa all day

[uneven path]

Same, so I said fuck it and just play slayer all the time

[compact knot]

I dont really count pushing slam 3x in a row as uptime personally

Shit button

[native wadi]

Clappa is the best for me so far

[compact knot]

SD doesn't proc enough

[native wadi]

I love avatar and go clap crazy

[native wadi]

You shouldnt

If you are managing op correctly

[strong monolith]

Yeah slam is ass

[native wadi]

And not just doing op > slam

[compact knot]

I promise you I'm playing correctly

[native wadi]

Maybe is because I have 950 hasta

In arms

Dunno

[compact knot]

It's good in m+ but cringe in st

[native wadi]

Sometimes it happens but just in a cursd try maybe

[compact knot]

Gameplay wise

[native wadi]

I agree it can be improved

But execute dopamine is goated now

[digital tundra]

why do you prefer slayer over MT?

[past wyvern]

I like bladestorm

[compact knot]

Slayer rotation is consistent and easier to follow especially in st

[uneven path]

To me it feels more fun, plus bs and exe are dope

[digital tundra]

how is it easier?

MT doesnt seem too difficult

[quartz musk]

Do you think that after the buff arms will be more playable than fury in M+?

[uneven path]

Already is

[compact knot]

It kinda was before

[native wadi]

I did 190K as arms yesterday

Impossible to get that close as fury

[uneven path]

And Mt single/prio feels shit compare to slayer

[native wadi]

But when i play arms i never have the feeling im blasting

Then i check the recount and im like wtf

Other way around with Mt

[uneven path]

Like if I wanted to pad aoe just go arms

[fiery edge]

And they decided to nerf thane

[native wadi]

Yeah hopefully more changes to come

I love the avatar full clapping

Skill clap skill clap

Feels good man

[uneven path]

Melee destro lock xdd

[quartz musk]

Thane will be nerf? 😮

[fiery edge]

AI taking jokes feedback to nerf warrior

[fiery edge]

Didn’t u see the ptr changes

[quartz musk]

No 🙁

Im feel sad

[native wadi]

We dont know final notes

But you can see they trying to fuck that up

Which i dont get because everyone likes clapping

Probably rend for MT too?

[supple glen]

no clapping sucks but at least did damage

[vivid pollen]

Thane literally dead in keys if those changes go through

You'd be inting to not play arms

[jagged socket]

at least thane syncs up nicely

playing slayer and having three cooldowns with different lengths and reductions is wack

[supple glen]

idk about playing a class you gotta justify with "at least" in a game you play for fun

[vivid pollen]

Slayer flows really well

[jagged socket]

it was fine last season as bladestorm came back generally in time for avatar/reck

but tier now makes reck come back way sooner i feel

[supple glen]

slayer just lacks an attack

[steel shard]

tier?

[vivid pollen]

Tier doesn't change that

[supple glen]

or buff raging blow and give it giga resets

[steel shard]

AM just does not work with bladestorm

anymore that is why

for some reason

[jagged socket]

u right mb

[steel shard]

but works for avatar because???

[vivid pollen]

You need to be sending your reap the storms

They generally line up within 20 sec

[storm meadow]

Question for M+ Thane : spamming TC/TB is ALWAYS better (even outside of any burst) in high target count ?

[jagged socket]

that was it

[vivid pollen]

Yes

[supple glen]

they wanted SOME difference i bet instead of having both specs just macro their shit together

[steel shard]

and now bladestorm just sucks ass

ok

wp

[vivid pollen]

Wat

Bs does mad dmg

[supple glen]

yea huh

[vivid pollen]

The real issue is 15% for slayer strike such a dog shit low chance

And you need three to reduce the bs cd

[steel shard]

idk warrior is just undertuned

[jagged socket]

gamba on 15% is poor form from blizz tbh

[steel shard]

in general

[supple glen]

my complain is, that you wait over a min to do nothing for 4sec

[vivid pollen]

Which creates a lot of variation between pulls

[steel shard]

it is a next tier waiting room

[supple glen]

which is cool on the meter but gameplay wise isnt great

[stoic loom]

Nah blizzard thinks fury is pretty good, hence the nerf

[steel shard]

[stoic loom]

ignore the 2 unholy dks 3 augs 3 frost mages 4 mm hunters in every boss in rewf

[steel shard]

yea so many fury warriors in the race

dont mind the 3 hunters etc etc etc

[paper cipher]

hi, how far behind in m+ fury slayer is comparing to mountain thane?

[steel shard]

hell the bird boss looked like a good fight for arms with some cleave

but it is just so undertuned it does nothing

[supple glen]

i mean it looked good on wcl. but there is a lot of room for padding on unimportant stuff

[vivid pollen]

Lower slayer strike damage, up the chance for it to trigger

Spec fixed

[supple glen]

which thane and a cheeky bs handles well

[magic prairie]

Will Slayer on M+ be viable after 12.0.5

?

[stoic loom]

i am genuinely convinced fury thane is getting nerfed because of the voidlings on dragons

[jagged socket]

cant have shit

[steel shard]

?

dev evoker DELETES those

more than we do

[supple glen]

yea evoker just has something every wave qq

[vivid pollen]

All the ranged specs do

[supple glen]

evoker gets to be good bc its new tho

[jagged socket]

this is just ranged tier tbh

[vivid pollen]

The most ranged a tier has ever been

But let's nerf war

[supple glen]

cope

they dont care about your class buddy

[steel shard]

no shit

they nerf warrior because of this

[spring lantern]

It's evokers 8th season xD they aren't new

Unless you mean devourer

[stoic loom]

they do tho

literally the best fight for fury thane this tier

[steel shard]

and we are far from being the top

ok bet

[sharp epoch]

what you guys use for tracking interrupts? I have Interrupt tracker but i guess it only works if all have same addon and no one seems to have it

[jagged socket]

i dont

[sharp epoch]

great ty

[spring lantern]

Exwindtools

[jagged socket]

sorry friend

[supple glen]

sry mb yeah i meant devourer

regarding vael

[spring lantern]

❤️ then yeah it's new and they wanted it to be insanely good

It was good, and then they buffed it 🙂

[tardy hedge]

guyz how i can sim in raidbots academy buff? which stat is better

[spring lantern]

Based on heroic week lmao

[stoic loom]

we are bad and then get nerfed

hell yeah

[spring lantern]

There probably is a way but you end up just taking vers probably

Mastery more damage haste faster Vers more damage and dr, up to you

[spring lantern]

I don't even want to play fury on dragons id rather play arms

Perma 2t boss and everyone oogabooga orbs no ty

Will fury if the orbs takes ages to die ofc

[spare steppe]

thats only for mythic right

Otherwise it’s just in p3?

[spring lantern]

Yeah

I tried arms on heroic reclear yesterday for dragons and preferred it as well tbh. You just send into boss and if you get bladestorm or CSmash for adds then cool. Still get the 2t execute with BL at the end