fury

[honest trail]

maybe some RB buffs?

[upbeat plume]

they probably wont, blizz has been very okay with furys ST being horrific for many seasons

[honest trail]

10% would be nice

[olive wraith]

I was expecting rb buffs

Or slayer strike/AA buffs

[honest trail]

Yeah

Something around either AA or RB

To compensate

It may come

[livid arch]

Is it possible to buff fury st without making our MT ridiculous?

[honest trail]

i'd rather have RB to press cause I alrdy press it over Rend anyway

[lyric panther]

+100% auto attack damage

[olive wraith]

There’s def more avenues now

[honest trail]

With the way Reap procs on PTR

It's fine

Since it's based on 3 targets

[olive wraith]

Slayer strike/lightning strike

[drowsy heron]

how big of a nerf is the changes to Thane?

[honest trail]

Then can juste buffs/nerfs Reap to deal witrh our aoe dmg

& then check RB/BT/AA for ST

& base Execute also probably

[olive wraith]

Rb buff is also aoe buff though

[drowsy heron]

we NEED RB buffs

[livid arch]

lol. If only blizzard read this discord.

[honest trail]

Not by a lot

But sure

[olive wraith]

If you wanted to tune st independently it has to be slayer strike, as

I mean meat cleaver? lol

[orchid crag]

Why are warriors getting nerfs to begin with... Warriors aren't topping the charts

[dense elbow]

Or buff BS, the actual AoE tool that is a press and not a proc

[calm swallow]

Ugh well this sucks

[honest trail]

Mythic pants suck?

How

[drowsy heron]

do we know how big the nerf is? like total numbers wise

[quiet geyser]

dead

[livid arch]

But trinket!

[quiet geyser]

the nerf value is dead

[calm swallow]

Probably the only good pull tbh cause I already have hero tier pants

[olive wraith]

Don’t think so

[eager thorn]

blizz just hates warriors

[calm swallow]

Shit simbait trinkets and I have heroic gaze and a hea rt from Vorasius

[olive wraith]

Changes were announced not long ago

[eager thorn]

we cant be good for more than 1 week a season

[remote bobcat]

considering that theres an infinite amount of hero track gear, mythic pants is a peak pull

[round kelp]

guys any tips on how to acquire this?

[livid arch]

lol nvm then

[honest trail]

Still decent, an item to never change till next season

[olive wraith]

Did you forget s3 tww

[eager thorn]

no

[calm swallow]

I really needed a chest for 4pc >_< or an H or M weapon

[tardy lark]

warrior werent impressive in tww s3 until they changed how reap worked with raging blow

[livid arch]

I got lucky in keys so I have a heroic weapon already

[olive wraith]

So 80% of the season lol

[calm swallow]

Or a ring, fawk I coulda used a better ring

[hybrid yew]

i was finally doing good in dungeons and raids

now ruined

[orchid crag]

Well that nerf is forcing into Slayer I guess

[tardy lark]

i guess... for me the season sort of ends with last mythic boss dying

[remote bobcat]

myth pants is among the top tier vault items idk why ur complaining ngl

[orchid crag]

fucking dumb

[grave pike]

staying fury main since wotlk has been rough..

[dense elbow]

You can napkin math it, go to a ST sim, open execute portion and see Reap procs, remove that amount

Remove all reaps in fact.

Then go and add +20% to BS Pure dam (not BB portion that is most of it)

There you go

[olive wraith]

Didn’t the change happen in like week 4

[tardy lark]

no clue - happened mid dimmy prog

[remote bobcat]

"bugfix"

[olive wraith]

It was really early

If you consider 6-8weeks the entire season then sure I guess

It wouldn’t count

[tardy lark]

i care about how good it is for prog whether thats through fight design or tuning

warrior has been rough since after nerubar

[olive wraith]

Did it even really change anything for slayer in manaforge?

[tardy lark]

the reap change for rb?

[remote bobcat]

yea

much easier salhadaar platforms and way more useful aoe on dimmy platforms

[tardy lark]

the reap change made it so the button you hit the most, behaved the same as bt with regards to reap proccing. Bt reap chance scaled with amount of targets hit through meat cleaver. They changed it so rb did the same

[olive wraith]

I didn’t m raid

[tardy lark]

suddenly every button you wanted to press procced it a ton in aoe

[olive wraith]

I know what the change did

I’m not familiar with the fights

[tardy lark]

like cumulative 47% to proc on 5 targets or some shit

[olive wraith]

67

[remote bobcat]

the bugfix skyrocketed fury on at least 3 bosses in that raid

onto like top2 or top3

at least

[slim coral]

Not necessarily we don’t know what they will buff in return

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[remote bobcat]

[rotund ginkgo]

odyns fury 3% damage

[gleaming crag]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/t8NTrDz8k48mvQT3DL8cb3 only 86.6 single

[rotund ginkgo]

all damage increased by 3% odyns fury increased by 10%

reduce tclap damage by 10%

[tardy lark]

unless they do something about ranged specs, they'd need to buff warrior a fuckton

[rotund ginkgo]

rampage now strikes 3 times

[olive wraith]

Down from 4

[remote bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/theyre-the-same-picture-the-office-pam-the-office-us-gif-20757621

[olive wraith]

Rend now applies raging blow

[dense elbow]

I would take that deal, less sustained mass AoE, for more ST/5t and burst AoE dam

[slim coral]

surely

[remote bobcat]

why dont we have odyns fury emote on this server

[dense elbow]

Cause the peeps on top dislike it

This is known

[brittle crow]

fury is dead long live arms

[remote bobcat]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148898720803586048/1114308309143519383/IMG_3926.gif

[brittle crow]

what stats do i need to recraft wep to

[tardy lark]

crit haste

[brittle crow]

how bad is my haste mast

[tardy lark]

haste just increases rage expenditure

[dense elbow]

About 3 cachings worth

[tardy lark]

where crit is rage positive, so kinda bad

[olive wraith]

Change jewelry first

Its biggest secondary stat swing

[brittle crow]

wise...

[olive wraith]

You have a month to get arms gear

[brittle crow]

is puzzle box arms gear

got one yesterday

[drowsy heron]

moreso curious how the thane changes nerf the numbers, i'm always going to love slayer lol

[eager thorn]

i love slayer when it doesnt feel fkin ass to play

[stoic inlet]

time to grind out arms gear

[drowsy heron]

feels pretty good right now, just wish RB was stronger

[restive peak]

Holy fuck the 2nd ring finally

[eager thorn]

hard disagree personally

[restive peak]

And @olive wraith

[lavish sierra]

wait thane or slayer on l'ura

[restive peak]

Slayer feels awful currently, as someone who forced slayer into title keys, slayer is ASS rn

[olive wraith]

Kek

[drowsy heron]

numbers wise or rotation wise?

[restive peak]

And thane will be slightly more ass than now but it isn't THAT big actually, we really just need a minor ST buff on both specs

[restive peak]

Numbers wise

[drowsy heron]

i mean, just buff RB

[eager thorn]

i think thanes gameplay loop is gonna benefit from it cos spamming tc in 7+ feels a bit weird

[drowsy heron]

idk, i'm pulling similar numbers in both specs, but i also run Rampagin Ruin in some dungeons for the extra AoE

[olive wraith]

Did you like tww s3

[eager thorn]

but losing dmg still kinda stinky when other classes are still clapping

[restive peak]

The problem is buffing RB/Ramp/Exec w the way imp WW works

And yeah the issue there is your ST is giga ass then

[hybrid yew]

my damage in thane is ridiculously higher than slayer in M+ and AoE boss fights

it's wild

[eager thorn]

didnt play too much but it felt alright, feel like s3 gets overloved cos reap proccing every second doing big dmg made dopamine rise

[hybrid yew]

i miss reap spam

[olive wraith]

Rb spam was more intrusive than clap spam

[eager thorn]

but like passive dmg off of just doing ur rot doesnt really impact my enjoyment too much personally

[drowsy heron]

hate to say it but you might be doing stuff wrong then, NoXIV is playing Slayer in like all his dungeons and PUMPIN

[tardy lark]

we arent even spamming clap, i dont get it

[olive wraith]

In keys?

[eager thorn]

noxiv is also in a premade group where runs will be tailored to their specs strengths at diff points

[tardy lark]

yuh

shit has a cooldown

[olive wraith]

It’s every other global isn’t it

[eager thorn]

when in ava and theres 7+ targets

[tardy lark]

during avatar

[eager thorn]

which isnt exactly that common

[tardy lark]

make my fucking cds do something

like spamming clap

[drowsy heron]

idk, i'm pumping with both specs in M+ so not sure what to tell ya

[tardy lark]

instead of "add 20% dam" 💀

[olive wraith]

Thats the whole argument about the nerf lmao

[tardy lark]

yes, its idiotic

[rugged cedar]

Keeping up with the casters … gotta nerf it

[tardy lark]

incompetent even

[olive wraith]

But anyways people who complain about clap “spam” but praise rb spam. I don’t understand

[tardy lark]

the only point of it is to try to make rb a more compelling button

instead of just buffing rb

what mental gymnastics are they doing

[olive wraith]

Ya that shot rb too much

[restive peak]

Fury being spammy isn't the problem; it's why fury is fun. It's just the lack of ST dmg that feels awful, and will feel worse in .5, that bothers me

[tardy lark]

cause rb made reap proc, which was cool. A choice to be made whether to fish for reap procs or not

[rugged cedar]

The same gymnastics to buff devourer over and over when they were shitting on everyone

[olive wraith]

It’s not the spam that’s an issue for me it’s ignoring buttons

[tardy lark]

clap spam is kinda cool in the same way 3x cleave casts after warbreaker kinda slaps

[olive wraith]

Ignoring ramp and bt to push rb is bad imo

[tardy lark]

i think thats a fine tradeoff in aoe

that spamming RB is better as long as enrage is up

[olive wraith]

Like the whole tier you didn’t press bt. Basically how rb is now

[tardy lark]

you are still gated by rb not guaranteed resetting

[olive wraith]

Pressing less buttons is less interesting imo

[tardy lark]

boy is arms for you then

[mossy pelican]

How do they have no clue what they’re doing with warrior fr

[junior gale]

they havent had a clue in almost a decade

[olive wraith]

It’s not

[eager thorn]

arms seems fun but it also seems not as spammy as fury :/

[tardy lark]

incompetent people with not enough time catering to dumdums complaining about incidental damage hitting yellow mobs in open world

icant

[tardy lark]

"cool and calculated spec"

also known as rage starved waiting for auto attacks

🙂

[olive wraith]

Idk just stop making us ignore our buttons

[eager thorn]

yeah

[junior gale]

We even have a sick amazing talent to support this called Master Tactician =

[eager thorn]

ive not practiced it too much but ive sat at dummies for a bit and having no rage isnt very poggers

[junior gale]

[smoky turret]

lets fucking go

i love getting nerfed on ptr

[supple sinew]

I got in Xaryu's heroic midnight falls group and we wiped at 5% to be 3rd group to kill it...

[signal falcon]

I’ve never really liked that the talent tree is split into “only press bt” or “only press rb” halves

Best fury iteration was DF S2 because all the buttons were strong

[olive wraith]

Huh

[tardy lark]

annihilator 💀

[olive wraith]

That’s s3

[upbeat plume]

yeah s2 was awful everything hit like a pool noodle lol

[olive wraith]

Tbf tier stacked bt was decent

[signal falcon]

Press BT at max stacks to drop the nuke
RB as main filler
Onslaught as infrequent but strong builder
Exe when it procs

[stoic star]

Are yall sending Myth Bracers with Arcanoweave Lining now?

[signal falcon]

Ramp buffed by the tier too

[olive wraith]

Exec didn’t hit hard though

[upbeat plume]

and all of that led to one of our worst tuned seasons to date lol

[olive wraith]

It was just a rage gen

[upbeat plume]

we were awful for damage that tier

[olive wraith]

This is cap lol

S2 Df was above average

[signal falcon]

We were fine that tier yeah

[hushed dust]

Can we shut the discord down over these stupid thane nerfs

[signal falcon]

Doing some retroactive dooming

[olive wraith]

S1 Df, s2 tww were worse in terms of tuning

[pliant jackal]

Warriors always start off rough

[olive wraith]

False

[silk wharf]

Exceptionally strong at the start of tww then got kneecapped 4 times.

[rotund ginkgo]

yall forgetting s1 tww after 2 weeks

KEKW

we did less ST than aug

good times

[rotund ginkgo]

man we really pumped for heroic week and for heroic dungeons

was great

[olive wraith]

Tww s3 was our strongest season recently

[eager thorn]

a classic

[flat river]

nerf arms

[brittle crow]

goat is back in town

[hybrid yew]

looking at fights i did high 90 parse in in raids, it looks like i only casted thunderclap about 6-7 times while Avatar is up in total per fight

so...maybe nerf isn't so bad 🤓 but it will hurt in M+

[summer quail]

and how many times did you cast thunderblast? coz everything that buffs clap buffs blast as well

[hushed dust]

nerfing our aoe when we're middle of the pack in m+ is fucking insane

[rugged cedar]

Just off the top of the head but I think this guys m+ thane

Guts

[hybrid yew]

warcraftlogs shows only thunderclap not thunderblast?

[hollow ibex]

I came in here solely to see if there was some math that I was just missing at higher gear levels or some such.

[summer quail]

click the little arrow beside thunderclap

[hybrid yew]

ah, i mean all 7 are thunderblasts...cause i set the filter for avatar only

[summer quail]

you can do regular thunderclaps in avatar as well

[hybrid yew]

oh, so for this fight, with avatar filter on, does this mean i cast thunderclap 7 times and thunderblast 7 times separately, total of 14 times?

sorry got confused

[summer quail]

yes total 14 times

[hybrid yew]

oh...in which case oof

[olive wraith]

Youll also reduce the number of claps you’ll do

On top of the damage reduction

[hybrid yew]

right

oof

[full rivet]

I heard that we're running Thane on a few raid encounters--which are those??

[frank dawn]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/1205-fury-warrior-feedback/2280247

Feel free to post on the forums!

[hybrid yew]

Averzian, Vaelgor, lightblind vanguard, Chimaerus

[full rivet]

So almost all of them oo

[hybrid yew]

yeah, slayer is for the more purely single target

like vorasious, saladbar, and crown

Thane on the AoE/Cleavey fights are pretty good

[full rivet]

What's the single target difference? Sorry this is probably in FAQ

I vastly prefer Thane

[hybrid yew]

you can get by fine, i dont think it's a huge difference

[frank dawn]

Thane is only like 2.5% behind slayer on single

[hybrid yew]

it's slightly noticable i think, but you'll get by fine

[eager thorn]

Thane is pretty good on every boss tbh

[frank dawn]

You can 100% play Thane on every boss if you want

[eager thorn]

Imo slayer is prob only salhadaar

[full rivet]

I'm not a fan of the RNG nature of Slayer reap the storm--but I'm tryna stay competetive in a guild of sweaties

[drifting token]

Then you def don't want slayer

[frank dawn]

Thane is by far the safer choice for every boss imo. Slayer can maybe shine on a few if you feel confident with timings and such

And don’t mind sudden death procs completely fucking off every couple of pulls regardless

[hybrid yew]

do we need to use sudden death at all for anything

[full rivet]

Bladestorm cd

[frank dawn]

For Slayer? It does several things lol

For thane it’s low prio

[hybrid yew]

yeah for thane, sorry

[quiet geyser]

too bad Archi has too much balls to pull a ret paladin discord move

man if the discord did a walkout/closure everytime we got fucked

[red berry]

i dont think throwing fits actually work other then looking really really pathetic

[full rivet]

What are they doing to us? I'm behind on the times ig

[red berry]

and it looked really pathetic of that particular person who did that, it really did

[olive wraith]

Man if closing the discord actually did anything

[brittle crow]

rolled a 3 on heroic gaze

im tired boss

[languid willow]

so should i just be learning how to play slayer ig?

thane probably going in the gutter

[brittle crow]

should be learning arms

[languid willow]

or that

[full rivet]

My arms sims lower 💀

[quiet geyser]

slayer gonna be just as bad

[upbeat plume]

yeah not awhole lot of positives going into .5 patch atm

[languid willow]

well time to pull out the dk for m+ ig

[olive wraith]

Colo got a pretty nice buff afaik

[upbeat plume]

true I should have specified fury lol

I do like colossus but its never going to be the raid spec for arms sadly

barring outlier fights like vanguard

[quiet geyser]

i mean, if everything else just fucking sucks and you have no choice..

[upbeat plume]

this, is also unfortunantly true lol

[olive wraith]

We kinda said the same thing about thane

[indigo arch]

So let me understand this, they nerf unholy after being overtuned the entire beta and near immediately rebuffed it, but they're randomly nerfing thane because?

[upbeat plume]

true I havent really looked into arms enough to have a sound opinion on its current stuff, main reason thane is okay in raid is its a barely behind slayerin ST right now

[indigo arch]

Guess fury was too good at killing week 1 adds before tier sets, where have I heard this.

[olive wraith]

Which was true for thane in tww

[hybrid yew]

do they listen to forum comments

[quiet geyser]

I think the thane changes were more about gameplay. just spamming TC is kinda lame. the issue is, they didnt put that major loss of damage anywhere else

[muted owl]

the more I play warrior the more I realize that the dev team is preparing us for the cope cycle of rework is on the way each season

[olive wraith]

No

[olive wraith]

Spamming rb was lame and went untouched

Clap is tied to a cd at least

[warm wharf]

where find the changes?

[crystal summit]

Anyone else feel like I can't hit buttons fast enough in raid with all the bugs and list going ?

[olive wraith]

#news

[crystal summit]

On dummy I do great then raid comes and feel like I'm missing gcd

Im spamming BT and rampage like a madman

[indigo arch]

Same devs that randomly nerfed arms and then didn't notice til now that they hit a spec doing tank dam

Wild how they do literally nothing to compensate

[somber thicket]

I think the same should be clap on proc prio and normal clap 4 abilities refresh

[olive wraith]

So exactly like slayer?

[stoic star]

wtf they nerfing warrior. jesus blizzard. get a grip

[warm wharf]

i dont see the change anymore

[last pewter]

We broke into the top third. Cant have that

[last belfry]

blizz likes it

so resuming we going slayer

[stoic star]

yet mage is S tier / dk is S tier / warlock is S tier nearly EVERY DAMN TIER

[olive wraith]

Clap with avatar actually made you feel the cooldown

[stoic star]

exactly

[upbeat plume]

the cdr nerf was fine the main complaint is that the damage nerf on top of that is what feels unfair

[olive wraith]

I’d prefer the damage nerf over the cdr

[somber thicket]

Same, same but difrent😂

[stoic star]

blizzard just doesnt agree with our dmg profile ever being good for some reason.

[olive wraith]

This doesn’t change the damage profile like at all

[last pewter]

Nerfing warrior at all and especially prot when brew is miles ahead with no nerfs is unfair

[olive wraith]

It’s a gameplay change

[stoic star]

they never let us be S Tier or top 3 ever

[indigo arch]

Fury went into s1 being too useful in keys

[upbeat plume]

ny guess is top people at blizz dont play war anymore lol

[indigo arch]

Had to enforce the class fantasy

[fleet haven]

what should i take

[indigo arch]

I'm sure they'll get around to things in s3

[summer quail]

don't think they have for atleast 5 years

[fleet haven]

i'm thinking prism, its techincally ranked higher on the trinket tier list

but i'm svery stupid so any help is appreciated

[tiny jewel]

Well looking like its back to tww S3 Slayer in m+. Sucks Thane feels so much more fun to play

[midnight mason]

I'm seeing people on mythic are just sticking with Thane for raid?

[digital ore]

Logs aren't always the best measure of performance between hero specs. Depends a lot on the player and raid setup.

[olive wraith]

Not even close to s3 slayer fyi

[digital ore]

But a lot of Thane players right now because numerically on average it's pulling more.

I still saw some alright Slayer logs between the first few mythic bosses.

[eager thorn]

best option is to just sim

[warm wharf]

forced to go arms

now

[eager thorn]

and cos slayer feels ass to play

[olive wraith]

Y

[brittle crow]

i need to bitch

these fat fucking tanks refuse to pull the lieutenants for weeks

i force them to

AND THEY GET THE BOE

[chrome wraith]

Ok

[digital ore]

Yeah slayer is kinda shit ngl. I wish they removed the fillers.

[chrome wraith]

Thane is the best fury has felt in years

[olive wraith]

What’s bad about it

[chrome wraith]

Meanwhile slayer is dogshit

[digital ore]

Having to press Rend makes me cringe every time I do it.

[flat river]

best way to deal with sudden death RNG CD reduction is to add back fury 2-set from last season

[olive wraith]

What fillers

[chrome wraith]

It just feels bad pressing rend and raging blow

[digital ore]

Rend/Wrecking Throw is filler.

[tiny jewel]

Im not sure what the point of adding Rend back was when they wanted to prune

[digital ore]

Higher prio than raging blow.

[indigo arch]

Looking like an arms s1 angle

[digital ore]

It's because we're being balanced by Chat GPT.

[indigo arch]

Not gonna press rend manually in aoe

[digital ore]

Thane has rend baked into Clap.

[chrome wraith]

Wrecking throw cranks with all these shields

[indigo arch]

Yes, and thane is randomly catching nerfs

[flat river]

more like angy blow

[digital ore]

Tickle Blow.

[flat river]

pillow blow

[chrome wraith]

Thane is catching nerfs because warriors are balanced around themselves rather than the field at large lol

[tiny jewel]

Big nerfs a whole 40% is wild

[fleet haven]

For thane, is rend a higher prio than raging with nothing else to press?

[olive wraith]

Only on refresh and 45 seconds

[chrome wraith]

Slayer underperforming? Better nerd thane to bring it in kine

[digital ore]

You don't press Rend on Thane.

You apply via clap.

[last belfry]

u dont press rend as thane, is applied via thunder clap

[fleet haven]

Thanks

[digital ore]

It's still only PTR. There's chances they might revert it.

[olive wraith]

40% during avatar for clap

[chrome wraith]

Seems they're doubling down

[indigo arch]

Ngl with the ongoing arms changes it might still be an arms angle

[last belfry]

well if we make another post like for slayer, prob but will need like 4 posts

[tiny jewel]

Hey S3 Slayer becoming good was a simply hot fix nobody saw coming so who knows

[indigo arch]

S3 slayer didn't have rotational rend

[last belfry]

wish they could insert s3 tier set into slayer tree, but blizz don`t like us as it seems

[indigo arch]

Whatever happened to that change to make ww apply rend

[summer quail]

still there

<@&257983573498265600>

[indigo arch]

I haven't seen Mr beast slop in a bit

[fleet haven]

I also just got my 4pc, i'm spamming odyns fury whenever its up now right?

[sinful blaze]

got a dm a few days ago seems to be the trend again

[indigo arch]

Who unironically falls for that shit

[last belfry]

till ur burst come back again, u`ll use more 1

[tiny jewel]

Yeah but its not game changing

Shitty 4 set tbh

[last belfry]

resuming, meanwhile u wait another burst u can use more 1

1 burst 2 odyn

[fleet haven]

they should get rid of the %damage increases on set bonuses and bring back shadowlands type abilities. 4pc gives us condemned

i flipping love hitting condemned

or whatever that empowered execute was called

[olive wraith]

I’m honestly more surprised there hasn’t been rb buffs

[last belfry]

ah man, they had almost 4 months to fix everything bad at our talent tree, and most of actual problems are like solved reverting like war was in DF

[charred flint]

RB being so bad

that is preterred by rend

Is so fucking weird

At this point just give 2 bt charges xd\

I just miss having defensives

[red berry]

i dont really mind raging blow being bad since frankly we have a lot to press as is. i think it'd be healthier for the spec to just remove rampage being cheaper from the apex

a month in and i still really hate how that feels

[tiny jewel]

Rend is just such as awful ability. Again they wanted to prune so they give us back a bleed that half the abilities were already applying lol

[burnt niche]

when aoe burst window clap and rampage or clap 5 times hit after clap

[red berry]

not that the cdr being cut in half isn't healthy it is, just not the damage

[charred flint]

I mean, in Slayer it wouldnt be like that

[stoic loom]

so why exactly is mountain thane getting nerfed?

from raid logs, we're the 9th best spec on overall damage, the 3rd worst on boss damage

[charred flint]

I liked how it was last season with Thane being BT and Slayer being RB

[red berry]

and i hate cheap rampage as slayer

[charred flint]

last season fury was just fucking goated tbh

[red berry]

i still don't really think raging blow is great to press and i dont think it'd be 'better' to press if it actually did damage just with the way the rotation works now

[tiny jewel]

Last season deserved it S1 and S2 were average to bad

[orchid iron]

the Duality of WoW

[tiny jewel]

Again it seems like rather than boost the performance of slayer.. let's knock Thane down to being aversge asf and bring it in line lol

[winter shoal]

will we lock in?

been farming rank 2 boss dam all night

[sullen tendon]

im startin to agree with that guy on twitter

[quiet geyser]

whats the addon called

that alerts when in D stance

[winter shoal]

https://addons.wago.io/addons/defensive-stance-reminder

I got you big dog

[quiet geyser]

got a 96 on first boss M and was in D stance for 35% of the fight

[dry hawk]

council style boss is still Thane yeah?>

[quiet geyser]

massive -_-

[opaque nova]

where have these nerfs been posted? cant find anything on wowhead

[charred flint]

L,AST NIGHT I RAIDED 3 BOSSES

WITH DSTANCE

XdDDD

[versed dock]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-12-0-5-ptr-development-notes-for-march-31st-weapon-sheathing-transmog-and-381068

[mystic kayak]

Saw a whole argument a while ago. Do we actually hold bladestorm all the time to only use inside reck?

[opaque nova]

whats the point in nerfing fury exactly

[summer quail]

for the most part yes. IF reck is on a 30+ sec cd you send bladestorm if not hold

[safe carbon]

they want you to enjoy the arms buffs more

so you respec

[opaque nova]

nerfing A tier specs that bring zero utiliity and get no invites except if they do good damage

sick

[safe carbon]

it's the routine

[summer quail]

ughh not this utility conversation again...

[safe carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[opaque nova]

not really trying to start an argument lol I just genuinely don't get it from a design pov

how nerfing fury makes sense xd but yea routine I guess

[scarlet swift]

I’d brez or blust myself outta this conversation, but I’m not allowed

[olive wraith]

There’s no logic behind this

[indigo arch]

They nerfed fury just in time for ret buffs and unholy nerf revert

[tawny sonnet]

Are some people skipping 4p on purpose?

[indigo arch]

Peak timing

[safe carbon]

shouting on comms for every shout ingame is the best utility warrior players bring

[tawny sonnet]

They nerfed Fury?!? WTF

[opaque nova]

Ahhhh! (mike used piercing howl, good call)

[safe carbon]

[stoic loom]

liquid brought ONE fury warrior for ONE encounter

but it gets nerfed

ignore the 4 mm hunters

or the 3 warlocks

or the 3 frost mages

[opaque nova]

I mean its still ptr

when does 0.5 even hit

we gotta do it like the rets

[summer quail]

it's already release candidate

[fleet garden]

that 4 mm stack was egregious lol

[opaque nova]

and shoutdown the disc

[tawny sonnet]

Frost mage is stupidly OP. Why are they always picking on warriors??

[fleet garden]

but not a peep about it from bliz

[stoic loom]

fury was just very oppressive to the voidlings spawn on dragons

please understand.

[tawny sonnet]

First they fuck arms. Now fury?

[earnest shuttle]

can't fk one class without fkin the other hehe

equality

[pallid pelican]

So what spec are we running for single target now

[olive wraith]

Man I wish people would stop saying close discord as if it had any influence

[earnest shuttle]

should we buff arms to be usable? nah, let's nerf fury so they match arms }

[tawny sonnet]

My blind ass missed every one of those voidling 🤣

[safe carbon]

[dry hawk]

clap was, clapping to hard

[safe carbon]

the frost mage cleave on dragons is funny though

[tawny sonnet]

So whats the damage? What are they nerfing in fury?

[olive wraith]

Check the news

[opaque nova]

nerfing thunderclap damage and cooldown reduction during avatar

[scarlet swift]

Shut down the Discord, it’s the only thing that works

[olive wraith]

It doesn’t

[scarlet swift]

It did for ret and dk

[olive wraith]

It didn’t

[flat river]

they'd give battleshout to another class wdym

[olive wraith]

Class discord such a small number of players and it has no effect on subs

Why would closing discord do anything

[opaque nova]

its not even that theyre like "we think clap spam is degenerate and shifting damage elsewhere" they just straight up nerf without compensation

rip

[tawny sonnet]

I just rad the notes. Seemed like they buffed slayer to be better at cleave. It is a little weird that thane is this raid's choixe

Read*

[safe carbon]

we should stop battle shouting in group content

as a sign of protest

[olive wraith]

This is dumb

[safe carbon]

[olive wraith]

If you care that much unsub

[safe carbon]

you sure took it seriously

[opaque nova]

[olive wraith]

When people are unironically asking to shut discord thinking it does something

Idk where your statement stands on sincerity

[charred estuary]

im fine with the changes if they buff TB damage

[safe carbon]

that shit meme has been around for years

on almost every class discord

nobody is shutting down any discord and shutting it down does nothing anyways

[olive wraith]

The discord thing?

[safe carbon]

yes

[rare garnet]

holy fuck what are you regards dooming about now

[olive wraith]

People don’t think it’s a meme dude

[tawny sonnet]

Its a discussion thats going nowhere

[olive wraith]

Thane nerfs be dumb

[olive wraith]

They need to make tb more reliable too

[rare garnet]

i mean if anyone thought thane was gonna keep doing all that aoe should know better

[tawny sonnet]

Im kinda looking forward to testing slayer in a raid now

[stoic loom]

"all that aoe"

9th best spec on overall damage in raid

3rd worst spec on boss damage btw

[olive wraith]

They also coulda just nerfed clap damage

[rare garnet]

yes, but warrior not allowed unrelenting aoe

[tawny sonnet]

Guess we are gonna spam raging blow a little more too

[safe carbon]

warrior dps st is generally bad

[olive wraith]

No

[rare garnet]

agree our ST is poo

[safe carbon]

blizzard is cooking, it's ok

we're way overcooked but still

[stoic loom]

Yeah so if its acceptable for us to do some of the worst st in the game, and we're not allowed to do good aoe either, then whats the point of having a warrior

[safe carbon]

more tank players

arms shit, fury shit

only prot left

[opaque nova]

I want my sparks back then

kind of like how you get a full dust refund in hearthstone for a card that gets nerfed

[stoic loom]

should just play warlock actually

wont ahve to worry about your class ever not being top 3 dps

[opaque nova]

I am actually

But I wanted warrior to pop off

clapping was fun while it lasted

[charred estuary]

I mean this is the preliminary blue notes for a ptr

1 week ago we were at 15% to reap on WW

I think we can relax

[tawny sonnet]

Are ptr changes final?

[restive peak]

The meme is rets did this last tier and it was made fun of endlessly

[fallow otter]

is fury dead?

[restive peak]

It also appeared to work, although it's more likely the buff was already planned, but yeah they did that and then a buff came through

Fury is slightly lower than it already is in .5, not "dead" but not good

[rotund ginkgo]

yes i decided to kill fury

[restive peak]

Can confirm Ragish hates fury

[fluid cedar]

John blizzard is choosing violence

[digital ore]

It worked. They got buffs.

[charred estuary]

If shit my pants at 6am and the sun rises, that doesnt mean I can control the sun

[restive peak]

Yeah well the timing was such that it's likely that patch was already planned, that's why I said it appeared to work lol

[digital ore]

And when DKs cried, it wasnt even a full day of changes and they got hotfixed damage buffs.

[restive peak]

It's actually quite unlikely blizz was planning them untouched and then tacked it onto a patch posted like a day later

[digital ore]

How could Blizzard have gathered any data on DKs without even a full day of patch release.

Just cry louder, then you get buffs.

[restive peak]

I meant the ret 1, I didn't pay attention to the DK shit

Was prob when I was away

[tawny sonnet]

Please shit everyday at 6am

[charred estuary]

I mean thats provably not true we have been crying for uncapped aoe for 10 years and we still dont have it

Its actually such a stupid take that I feel stupid disproving it

[digital ore]

Yeah you wont ever get that. You gotta cry for something reasonable.

[rotund ginkgo]

also nerfing fury has been a meme for literally 3 years now

all over EVERY WOW PIECE OF CONTENT EVER

and its still being done

so

[restive peak]

Same way always > we're weak, some fights prop us up but ST is low > we get nerfed for AOE > we don't get ST compensation

[digital ore]

"it'll get fixed in season 3"

[indigo arch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1285353121102561311/dead-fury.gif

[restive peak]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

This GIF should be pinned for everytime this happens

[tawny sonnet]

Thats depressing. Im gonna go level a lock

[restive peak]

It's so normal now I just expect us to be mid at best

[digital ore]

Just press more buttons or something idfk I'm following that dude and leveling a warlock.

Evergreen class.

[spare steppe]

anyone done heroic march?

how's it feel compared to heroic voidspire

[undone flower]

Yes your message was a stupid take when you just consider current and previous patch fury

[charred estuary]

previous patch? You mean an entirely new expansion with a brand new apex talent that fundamentally changes the way the class plays?

[undone flower]

What?

You are on fury channel

[eager thorn]

how does it fundamentally change anything lol

the apex is just more strength more reck duration and rampage is a bit cheaper

doesnt really change anything

[charred estuary]

Rampage is essentially a filler with it only costing 50 rage

[undone flower]

Man…

[eager thorn]

not really sure how that fundamentally changes the spec

[charred estuary]

you're not sure how the spender being a filler changes the spec?

[eager thorn]

you still only press it to enrage or if >100 rage

[sullen tendon]

oohhhhhhh i get it

its an april fools joke

april fools joke nerfs

nice one blizzard

[undone flower]

Bobby are you pepega second account ?

[eager thorn]

this doesnt actually change the gameplay though?

[undone flower]

Because I talked about you few hours ago to pepega and you show up

[charred estuary]

in 11.2 could you press rampage 3 times in a row yes or no

[sullen tendon]

i dont know waht that means

[eager thorn]

whether ramp cost is 80 or 50 the conditions on which you press the ability is the same

[charred estuary]

I mean literally no

but gl

[eager thorn]

if ur pressing rampage 3 times in a row ur playing suboptimally so idk what ur point is

[charred estuary]

I can tell you dont

[eager thorn]

yea cos i dont follow the rot incorrectly xd

[undone flower]

There are times you press rampage back to back

[charred estuary]

like often actually

[undone flower]

Happens more as slayer

[compact knot]

ok

arms

is the prog spec

on dragons

btw

LMAO

holy fuck

[eager thorn]

maybe, i dont play slayer

[summer quail]

screenshot meters

khazix

[compact knot]

210k before we wiped

[clear wing]

So did fury jus get nerffed? Wtf

[eager thorn]

but idk if ur often pressing ramp > ramp as thane then gl i think

[summer quail]

holy

[digital ore]

Colossus?

[summer quail]

forsure

[undone flower]

What is the pad status on this 200k ?

[silk wharf]

Can we get a hover over targets damaged?

[clear wing]

What do these patch notes mean is this ptr only? Did it go live?
Did we jus get hella aoe nerf on thane?

[undone flower]

It’s ptr notes

[charred estuary]

who said thane

[undone flower]

But you have arms buffs today

[eager thorn]

same person who said this was abt slayer

[clear wing]

When do the prt go live? Is it set in stone?

[undone flower]

4 weeks I guess

[fluid heart]

seeing as bracers drops first mythic boss, is lcloak a better myth craft first if its about equal upgrade for me

[clear wing]

Wtf cant i jus be happy where furys at for once???

[undone flower]

When voidcore forge is forged

[eager thorn]

its certainly an option you can consider

[compact knot]

it is

im top boss damage

bro

and top add damage

the spec is fucking gross

[undone flower]

Oh yeah baby

[compact knot]

well yoda is still doing more orb damage then me

but less boss dam

(he is ret)

[undone flower]

Browns shine as tanks and dps

[low folio]

It feels weird that they are so heavily netting slayers aoe for arms and fury on the .5 patch for seemingly random reasons

Nerfing*

[undone flower]

Not random reasons

Just reasons you don’t know

Or I, so we can play the guess game

[indigo arch]

Just an arms season

https://tenor.com/view/warrior-blizzard-wow-classic-push-hank-hill-gif-27417019

[winter shoal]

@compact knot cds on cd for salhadaar ya?

or do you hold for amp

[worn rain]

reasons aka silvermoon dummy testings

[little gust]

is it just me or is crafting the spellbreaker's resolve (hands slot) a pretty good option? the next best hands is embergrove grasps (haste crit), or Incarnadine Gauntlets (crit mastery). no good options from raids?

[worn rain]

cantrip gloves from dungeon

[winter shoal]

These gloves good

[summer quail]

wait are you eu bowl?

[winter shoal]

No

[undone flower]

You saved 9 voidcore tokens

[summer quail]

ahh thought maybe vault was up early for some reason

[lunar mountain]

i mean why

why is blizz nerfing thane A G A I N

[little gust]

oh i didn't see that additional shadow damage... does that more than offset the versatility?

[lunar mountain]

frost, ele, unh and dev are smashing m+

[undone flower]

bc Blizz don’t like how it plays

[lunar mountain]

and we cant even have clap spam

[winter shoal]

yeah it's not massive but it's good

[lunar mountain]

then uncap improved WW

[winter shoal]

around 0.5% if I remember correctly

[lunar mountain]

or at least soft cap it

[eager thorn]

W

[little gust]

oh nice, will sim it

[undone flower]

What if they fix rampaging ruin

[compact knot]

i use on balls

[winter shoal]

:balls:

[lunar mountain]

RR can burn in a volcano for all i care, uncap WW and release us from these shackles

[thorny jewel]

Hey all, I see in the wowhead BIS, it lists catalysted boots and belt which have crate/haste, despite there being haste/mastery options available. Why are do we want them when stat prio is haste > mastery > crit?

[eager thorn]

the "bis list" is only the best pieces of gear when you have EVERYTHING on the list

if you want to have the best dps you can without that exact setup you should sim

[lunar swan]

Who banged the mother of the blizzard employee who does class balance and did they thunder clap her mid coitus?

[fiery edge]

Slayer M+ good now?

[lunar mountain]

paladins throw a tantrum because of ONE spec and lock their discord and blizz gives them everything they want

[wintry karma]

Has the fury nerf already happened ?

[lunar swan]

20% increased reaping doesnt feel like an even trade

[fringe linden]

They're PTR notes. They are not live.

[lunar mountain]

i need to give my life to keep up with my ele, unh guildies and now this

makes me want to just give up on warr

[lunar swan]

Also who thought: wow this passive extra swing is more fun to build a class around than thunder clap

I dumped my ele shaman to play warrior because ele plays like shit

Then they buffed it to play like shit with big numbers

[lunar mountain]

wanna bet it goes through to live?

[winter shoal]

It's an RC build I believe

[lunar swan]

They dont take feedback unless its from the DK community

[modest condor]

that's not the point

[fringe linden]

I do not bet on certainties.

[modest condor]

ofcourse the nerf hasnt happened because it's on the ptr for a patch that's most likely not releasing for another month

[winter shoal]

how bro felt typing that

[brave valley]

Isn't Reap the Storm chance already 20%mm

[fringe linden]

We can only pray.

[lunar mountain]

15

[fringe linden]

Reap is 15%, currently

[summer quail]

yes it is

[lunar swan]

So they buffed it 5%? Lol

Sorry 33% relatively

[fringe linden]

Reap was nerfed...two weeks ago? From 30 to 15. Now back to 20, potentially. In exchange for a....80%? Nerf to Thane clap.

[summer quail]

the procrate is not the problem. it's that reap is only on aoe now, well to be exact that's only a problem if we don't get compensation buffs

proccrate*

[charred estuary]

20% on any rampage and 100% on sudden death would be chefs kiss

[lunar mountain]

"hey kid, imma take this nice 50% dmg and cdr to your ONLY ability that hits more than 5 targets and give you 5% chance to proc an attack that amounts to a light breeze. wanna make that deal? well you got no choice, get bent"

[charred estuary]

idk about light breeze reap the storm is like 700% of attack power

[midnight kite]

you also cant really compare thane to slayer

[fickle vector]

Is fury cooked and should I main arms for raid progression

[fringe linden]

Fingers crossed the ChatGPT Balancing doesn't actually come through.

[humble plover]

main something else

[fickle vector]

Fuuuuh

[lunar mountain]

yeah there's nothing left here
throw it in the trash and set it ablaze

[charred estuary]

12.05 isnt even live yet

the drama is crazy

[lunar mountain]

not drama my man
i love this class, ive played it for 19 years
i just want to see it in glory

[midnight kite]

Take it with a grain of salt but I have it tentativly at -1.7% ST and -5.8% Sustained 5 target both thane AoE build

[charred estuary]

Ive played it since TBC, and I'm not writing fanfiction in a spec discord chat

[pliant jackal]

lmao

[lunar mountain]

yes my dude, we get our enjoyment from different aspects of the game, that is completely normal
you can rest now

all is well

[charred estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/wazowski-mike-mike-sulivan-meme-monster-inc-gif-19634164

[pliant jackal]

bro we all played wow for a long time here

[keen kindle]

It might shock you that theres a few people in here that started as late as df

[undone flower]

Someone in #protection started in december

[pliant jackal]

I started in Wotlk but didn't start playing wow seriously until BFA

[undone flower]

Kinda same here leveling andy wotlk-bfa

[keen kindle]

I didnt play seriously till legion near the end

And im still garbo

[winter shoal]

I basically didn't play before df s1

[pliant jackal]

I was an Arms player that was forced into Fury because blizzard doesn't care about arms that much for some reason

[modest condor]

[keen kindle]

I mean at this point I've played both for a while

Fury for longer thou....6 years

[worn rain]

jokes on you, fury is in the same boat

[undone flower]

Fury goated since fury exist

[keen kindle]

Blizz dosent like warr in general much

[pliant jackal]

I mean each xpac is different tho on a serious note

[keen kindle]

Ye

[undone flower]

I mean fury is the same since 10 years ago

[keen kindle]

....holy fuck legion was a decade ago

[worn rain]

Not until titan grip

fury without tg is fake

[summer quail]

hey it ended 8 years ago so it was 8 years ago. no one can tell me anything different

[lunar mountain]

that is EXACTLY the problem

[humble plover]

my wrist hurts why nuimber so low

[pliant jackal]

I enjoyed Spear Arms warrior in Shadowlands

[keen kindle]

The correct take

[pliant jackal]

that was really fun

[undone flower]

Yes but can we exclude everything before mop bc it was just doggo game back then

[keen kindle]

Spear in shadowlands was goated for keys in general

Cuz of bird soul bind

[modest condor]

die spear die

[lunar mountain]

hey man, WotLK was peak

[worn rain]

mmmm hitting ceiling in ToP

[keen kindle]

After that spear deserved to be shot

[thorny cove]

I know this is probably been asked a bajillion times already, but what do we craft his week?

[worn rain]

blast from the past

[keen kindle]

Check wowhead for ur third craft

Or second if u crafted weap

[onyx tangle]

They should bring back SMF

[thorny cove]

I crafted weapon, so what's second?

[undone flower]

Stop

[keen kindle]

They tried

[pliant jackal]

No

[keen kindle]

Brother they tried

[undone flower]

No one talks about SMF

[onyx tangle]

they didn't try enough

[keen kindle]

True

[pliant jackal]

Its just extra work to the balance team for no reason

[keen kindle]

Yet they do it for frost

[onyx tangle]

then delete titan grips, why do we need doble the stats to do regular dmg?

[undone flower]

Just for a dogshit 1 Andy fanfic

[pliant jackal]

so 5 people who enjoy it does it

[thorny cove]

only people with small pps liked SMF

[lunar mountain]

and druid has 4 specs

[gleaming marlin]

@sullen dove am i cool for getting a top 10 parse on NORMAL beloren!!!!

[undone flower]

Didn’t they gave up on frost 1 hand last patch ?

[keen kindle]

Nope

Optimally frost needs 3 weapons

[undone flower]

It’s not in the previous SMF state ? Where it is there but not optimal ?

[keen kindle]

Well yes

Its not smf

....its arguably worse

[undone flower]

They are removing it, they just have the gatekeep of the 5 frost dk fanfic SMF frost dk

[sullen dove]

goat

[keen kindle]

Considering all the dual weild vs 2h arguments in frost main, checks out

[compact knot]

ehh

arms would have been better

but i have so many filthy padders

[thorny cove]

do we craft bracers second? and should we craft it 285?

[compact knot]

the colossus boss damage

is real ood

good

101k

[undone flower]

That’s what I suspect they did with war SMF, they were hesitating bc too many people seemed to like it, so they waited until wow boomers stopped playing so it was completely dead

[keen kindle]

To be fair

At least MotFW isnt a talent point

[undone flower]

Is not it basically razorice = 1 hand frost ?

Or whatever the talent is called

[keen kindle]

Ye frostbane is 1h only

But thats a bit different because 1h could still hold its own without it

Due to the benefit of two runes

Also more killing machines

Well....not necessarily

Mostly 2 runes

[undone flower]

I suspect the 2 dk enchant does the heavy lifting

[keen kindle]

Yeah

But like thats an inherited benefit DW has

Smf by comparison had nothing

[gleaming marlin]

i can die happy

[keen kindle]

It was just straight number buffs to try and compete

[fallow imp]

do we double enchant our weapons? same enchant or different? do they overlap or stack?

[icy whale]

do you guys craft 285 arcanoweave insight wrist or lower?

its 34 vs 44 strength proc

[indigo arch]

I crafted 285, yolo

Can't wait to not get a weapon in vault for weeks now

[scarlet swift]

mage and dh are excelling, better nerf fury

[thorny cove]

im surprised arcane is so good in pve it's the worst mage spec in pvp rn lol

[lofty seal]

anyone get their conq weps in pvp yet, the pvp channel is kinda deaedge

dunno whether to get two swords with mastery or mix in one haste wep

[willow cradle]

They're trying to murk our AOE potential so that they can buff our ST right?

[mint moat]

are we not touching TB unless on 2 stacks during ST than if we just have BB and Ramp out at all times.

[toxic jewel]

when you parse 97+ on ST fights but are still bottom dps, feelsbadman

[scarlet swift]

"I'm the worlds best middle school baseball player...while playing in the majors" is basically a warrior

high parse but worst on team

[summer quail]

there's 9 arcane parses on that boss. can't exactly call that good data

[toxic jewel]

isnt reap already 20%? lol

[sullen dove]

15% previously

on ptr

[toxic jewel]

ah

https://klipy.com/gifs/yes-sir-yes-boss-1

goodbye thane

[sullen dove]

yea i mean its unfort but still not sure slayer is much better off

[toxic jewel]

i'd rather play slayer over thane but it is what it is

[undone flower]

Gotta wait if they do a round of spell tuning

[strange drift]

https://tenor.com/view/i-used-to-pray-for-times-like-this-celebrating-gif-6529507804860980052

[pliant jackal]

trinket?

[undone flower]

Not very contested trinket

[lusty jungle]

cursed vault 3x rings

[strange drift]

lowkey thinking about taking the prism

[pliant jackal]

the chest is mythic isn't it?

[somber elk]

What you guys think, slayer in keys now ?

[strange drift]

yeah but i'd bite the bullet guessing im gonna get mythic one this week

[somber elk]

when are the thane/slayer changes life?

[toxic jewel]

.5

[flat river]

MYTHIC WEAPON

les goooooooooooo

[undone flower]

YAS

[flat river]

gz on trink

[icy whale]

damnnn

[keen nimbus]

The safe option is to craft the wrists i guess? like the g

wowhead suggests *

[solar wasp]

Guys for you => Mythic shoulders or Heroic chimarus trinket ? i really dunno

[flat river]

sim

[modest condor]

i dont think that estimated wait time is accurate http://puu.sh/KKTE3/3f0e99f2cb.png

[pliant jackal]

get premium

scrub

[modest condor]

you pay for me?

[solar wasp]

it's not about the sim but more about the accessibility :/

[flat river]

i have premium

but

what will u do for me in return?

[pliant jackal]

😉

[steel shard]

prob neck angle

[flat river]

did the new raid release today?

[sullen dove]

the mythic heart of hunger???

what???

literally double the value of the prism?

[maiden ingot]

Fuck.

[pliant jackal]

its heroic

[sullen dove]

at 276 in vault?

[austere hearth]

IDK what to pick 😄

[sullen dove]

the hell its not

[sullen dove]

sim but box if u really like m+ or probably shoulder

[pliant jackal]

6/6

[sullen dove]

yea he has a heroic one equipped

but you do not have a heroic heart in your vault at 276

[pliant jackal]

oh shit

[sullen dove]

that is the mythic one

[pliant jackal]

wtf

[icy whale]

i got shoulders, belt, wrist and crap trinket

shoulders is okay i guess

[mint moat]

are we not touching TB unless on 2 stacks during ST thane if we just have BB and Ramp up at all times.

[sullen dove]

yea bb and ramp are ahead of 1 tb charge but if dont got either of them can slam the tb then

exe may also be ahead of it dont rember for sure tbh but wowhead st rotation should say what the hubbub is there

[mint moat]

What about a SD execute

[lusty jungle]

so whats the difference with eyes of the eagle r2 vs r3

[mint moat]

Ok

[silk lance]

Do i not take weapon?

[thorny cove]

god damn wrecking throw chunks void emmisarries

[tender flame]

would you guys craft a ring rn if you were stuck with 1 adventurer and 1 veteran still (264ilvl otherwise) or just pray for the ring to eventually drop n still craft bracers

[tribal niche]

Is the nerf to thunderclap very noticeable?

[icy whale]

what would you do?

1. upgrade shoulder 289 and craft wrist 285 for 180/220 mythic crest
2. upgrade shoulder 289 and craft wrist 272 for 100/220 mythic crest
3. leave shoulder at 272 and craft wrist 285 for 80/220 mythic crest
4. hold all mythic crest and only craft 272 wrist

[gleaming crag]

new spec in 12.0.5 crippleclap

[untold yacht]

Patch 12.0.5 is this patch next week?

[stable forge]

how bad is it if i use single button assistant on fury

i really dont want carpal tunnel man

[fiery edge]

void pally for sure

[untold yacht]

also one question do I choose 2h by default?

[undone nexus]

Is gaze trinky still bis after the hotfix?

[summer quail]

yes warrior was barely affected

[undone nexus]

thank you!

[icy whale]

idk if its worth sending all myth crests this week or if i should hold some in case of a great raid drop

[tawny sonnet]

Are some people skipping 4p and just staying on 2?

[icy whale]

if you dont have 4p this week without vault you are most likely trolling

need 1 drop out of 3 weeks of raiding

[tawny sonnet]

I do. Why would i troll. Wowhead bis does not have 4p

[icy whale]

you can craft 2 and you can get one from 2k rio

huh

[gleaming marlin]

@sullen dove another week of homelessness

[pliant jackal]

??

[icy whale]

wowhead has 4p

[tawny sonnet]

My bad

[icy whale]

[vivid pollen]

those patch notes

🤮

[sullen dove]

me too man me too

[unique summit]

why they nerfing thane? is fury really pumping that hard?

[sullen dove]

one day ill be awarded a mythic item out of raid

[vivid pollen]

fury is pumping in keys for sure, but the nerf is genuinely huge

[pliant jackal]

God forbid a warrior get a little motion

[vivid pollen]

yea

nerf us and then forget about us for 6 weeks and then give us a minor adjustment back up

[undone nexus]

Wait what nerf? Am I missing something.. I only see Arms changes

[vivid pollen]

they have also nerfed slayer in ST with the reap the storm change, have they buffed execute in exchange yet?

[vague copper]

If I dont get a drop this week from raid im on 3..

[unique summit]

just broke into doing 13's so not super high but our hunter/dk is doing quite a bit more in aoe...

[vague copper]

For real, 2nd week of vault and first with mythtrack and its tookenangle :<

[vivid pollen]

TC/TB bonus damage during avatar reduced to 10% from 50%, and cdr reduced to 25% from 50%

[icy whale]

you have 15 chances to get a drop now

maybe run lfr with a friend on plate so he can trade you

then you got 20 chances already

[vague copper]

Have done lfr-heroic every week 😄

and not a single roll over 50

[icy whale]

so now you roll the upper 50

[untold yacht]

would anyone choose a 2h even tho its simming worse than tier?

[icy whale]

ez

[vague copper]

I hope so 😛

But its frustrating as hell

[icy whale]

sim it main hand too

[untold yacht]

good tip

[summer quail]

2h costs 20 crests and chest costs 80. depending on other items it's a big gain

[untold yacht]

ohh nvm i did

[summer quail]

crest by crest basis

[vague copper]

My best vaultitem gave me 600 dps on multitarget 😄

[untold yacht]

so you guys would go with 2h offhand over mythic chest?

[vivid pollen]

why would it be in your offhand

higher ilvl than crafted

[icy whale]

You have to put both weapons in both slots

So it can combine both ways

[vague copper]

@icy whale I lied

It might even be the roll

To get catalystcharges ro make a heropiece

but veteran 😄

[icy whale]

You can get any 266 item though +10 keys

[vague copper]

Yeah I know

[supple glen]

is prism shit too?

is dont understand trinket sim results

[icy whale]

So I wouldn't worry about the other options if you need tier set still

[vague copper]

I mean 😄

[icy whale]

Just queue lfr with a friend and decide after

[vague copper]

Yeah will

[icy whale]

Can also queue normal with a friend before vault

[supple glen]

i have a 263 saptors and 263 puzzlebox, it doesnt want me to even get the mythic 272 prism over the hero 266 heart

[icy whale]

Heart is bis

[supple glen]

okay but how is 272 myth trinket not better than 263 saptor paw and puzzlebox

now i could upgrade prism significantly whereas heart is capped bc hero but thats another story