#fury

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gloomy heart
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LOL

quartz musk
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I'm thinking about rerolling to frost mage or unholy DK

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but fury is love for me since Legion

gloomy heart
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I'd rather go Mage then DK, but that's me

supple glen
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fury for the love, frost (mage) for the invites

gloomy heart
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^this

quartz musk
gloomy heart
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But to answer your question

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Warriors are okay in m+ right now imo

quartz musk
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I heard that frost mage is fun and powerful after the rework

gloomy heart
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Might be a hot take to some

supple glen
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ya they seem fine but ppl will pref utility

gloomy heart
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Kassk is not wrong

sudden tusk
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Warrior is decent in M+ right now, but if you want to go meta UHDK will probably stay the Meta pick based on what i've been seein in these keys

sudden tusk
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doesn't mean you cant get title or anything like that, but it will make pugging a bit more difficult. If you want to play M+ the best thing you can do is push and get IO early

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becuase if you fall behind in the funny number you will not be picked regardless

quartz musk
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What I saw was a few runes where there was a frost mage and UH DK so numerically they were very similar

fading sky
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Uh dk just blasts st

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So well

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Also ret i think will climb

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Atm its insane

sudden tusk
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Warrior i think is in a weird spot where, we are kind of like ret where we have CDs all the time

fading sky
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High burst aoe with rly good st

sudden tusk
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but we have less utility

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tale old as time type beat

fading sky
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And do less dmg

gloomy heart
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We have utility? lol

fading sky
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In both st and aoe

sudden tusk
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ive already seen rets do like 700k burst in 10s

quartz musk
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I agree, I'll probably go back to DK since I'm most used to melee characters, even though frost mage is very good

sudden tusk
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but our sustained aoe is better then ret

fading sky
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Yup look at boss fights

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Then

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I got creamed by a ret so hard

sudden tusk
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well ret is brought to RWF becuase Hpal is mid and Prot pal is also mid

fading sky
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Man was outputtin mad st

sudden tusk
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its also psuedo ranged like DK so it doesn't suffer as much from melee uptime issues like warrior does

fading sky
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Usually ret has less st atm its one pf top ones

mossy fox
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I was doing same/more dps than qrva yesterday

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ST was pretty close to equal

fading sky
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Higher keys mb?

supple glen
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true dk gameplay is so free lmaoo

mossy fox
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he has 2 ilvls on me too

supple glen
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press generator, be a caster for 10s

sudden tusk
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ret just has more burst for lower keys. but warriors consistant aoe as thane is pretty good

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have you messed with colossus yet crit

mossy fox
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not yet

sudden tusk
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If they keep buffing arms it might have some real potential

fading sky
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I was loosin in 10s on st

supple glen
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scourge strike being ranged ist not okay imo

mossy fox
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been waiting for a slightly lower key to cook with it

quartz musk
fading sky
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He was at like 80/85k

gloomy heart
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God I pray for a colossus buff, it's my fav specc 😒

fading sky
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Sky reach

mossy fox
sudden tusk
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yeah i was hoping for an MS buff

mossy fox
fading sky
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The u cant afford 2 press button

sudden tusk
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i think fishy said collo might use exe in 2tar or single target now, but its rage issues are still very prominant

supple glen
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i checked 99% for mythics yday and arms had a higher peak than fury

fading sky
quartz musk
mossy fox
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not yet

sudden tusk
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well the only people playing arms in mythic right now are probably demons

mossy fox
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seen some UH in low keys but they arent good in those rly

sudden tusk
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@radiant plank demonus spiritus

digital mauve
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Also why buff arms when in the charts arms is doing better than fury in heroic raid AND mythic +?

fading sky
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Lel

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Go on a per boss

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And c why

supple glen
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ya prob, arms will be demons and some ultra gamers

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farming parses

quartz musk
fading sky
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Heroic raid col to clap meaningless adds

sudden tusk
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UHdk takes time to ramp. and by the time you get into your actual CDs everythings basically dead

digital mauve
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How's the arms gameplay anyway?

sudden tusk
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so its value wont be seen unless high keys

supple glen
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i was talking about mythic+ rankings

mossy fox
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frost mage feels pretty nuts, i wanna gear mine and see what it can do

supple glen
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on the meter, rotation is zz

near pasture
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on wowhead the bis gear only shows 3 set pieces is this true?

gloomy heart
remote bobcat
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I still dont know how to do good raid uhdk dps

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i dont like uhdk duty

quartz musk
supple glen
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hey just saying, if you want a rewarding rotation to feel good about yourself its not fmage lol

gloomy heart
fading sky
quartz musk
remote bobcat
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partially cuz of the dread plague bug

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but partially cuz im dogshit

near pasture
remote bobcat
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i hate grip duty

fading sky
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What ze bug?

near pasture
fading sky
supple glen
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breastplate is still a tierpiece?

fading sky
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I hate that fight as melee

supple glen
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idk why it says chimaerus

fading sky
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Going to narnia waitin for adds

near pasture
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i am stupid lmao

remote bobcat
near pasture
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true smooth brain lol

near pasture
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why does it not say tier set next to it lmao

supple glen
fading sky
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And 0p at 255 still almost or morr st thsn my 4p war

sudden tusk
fading sky
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So sad

supple glen
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so far you gotta straight up grief the raid to parse

sudden tusk
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odd its dif tho

remote bobcat
supple glen
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did you hold cds for adds

near pasture
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yeah that messed with me lmao i was like no way i only use 3 lol

sudden tusk
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ill be real with you. focus on boss damage

fading sky
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They die 2 fast

sudden tusk
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let the adds die to cleave focus on boss damage i beg you

supple glen
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you should on mythic probably

fading sky
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Nah

supple glen
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or you get the early 99 like a chad

fading sky
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On mythic as dk ..m adds die horribly if u cd id venture?

limpid sierra
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hey how can i make something similar to the imp whirlwind stacks WA tracker from last season

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or has it already been made

fading sky
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Sensei resourcebars

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Is 1

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I think

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Improved ww tracker anothrt

limpid sierra
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alright appreciate it

sudden tusk
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is what i use works well

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has a hiccup every now and then, but otherwise reliabe

strange drift
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this procs so many times in m+ atleast every pack

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God i love this trinket

gloomy heart
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has any1 gotten the cooldown manager centered import error invalid format CMC1 prefix before?

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Can't figure out wtf is wrong

deft palm
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uhh does raid bots sim my earthen fed racial?

warm wharf
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guys where i can find BIS list for warrior in m+?

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its the wow head 1 good?

candid sorrel
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Sim it

boreal sluice
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should we use rampaging ruin talent ever? and if so do we need some kind of cancelaura whirlwind macro with rampage for ST bosses?

rapid forge
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yo

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is it better to take ER isntead massacre? in m+)

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to have a def?

sullen cloak
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Is the reputation trinket viable in raid. It seems to sim well for me

fading sky
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Do u got it fully unlocked?

fathom jay
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I've taken a bit of a break from WoW and my Warrior, could someone ELI5 the rotation for Fury? I read the wowhead but I don't know way I understand what's being written must be stupid because I must be doing something wrong.

sullen cloak
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No only 2 of the abilities

bitter palm
median umbra
ornate night
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Hello here, what's about using whirwind on thane when there are many many target like 20 ?

heavy folio
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droptimizer for m+ you guys simming as fury or thane?

supple glen
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prob dumb but sacrificing dmg feels bad

quiet osprey
supple glen
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is rend worth casting when its applied by tclap?

quiet osprey
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only as very low prio filler if you must, generally no

hidden forge
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Got a question, do you guys spam Rampage ? Like if you are not above 100-110 do you use Rampage ?

half pond
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Well if you are losing enrage for one example

supple glen
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oh well i did forget the initial dmg

somber thicket
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Is is any close to a normal overal on a +10?

fading bane
winter axle
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When does haste start to fall off?

south kayak
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I remember when you rarely played Thane anywhere

fading bane
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used to be only keys

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i mean most fights have consistent/frequent AoE

south kayak
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Specifically in S2 and 3 before Reap was "fixed"

fading bane
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thats why its played so much in raid

wild plank
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fuck I wish I could add a sound to be played when ww buff is down to 1 stack, like we could with WAs

south kayak
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can you not add a sound in CDM

strange drift
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fuck i dislike thane but it deals so much damage :(

south kayak
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People who dislike thane are a mystery to me

wild plank
strange drift
south kayak
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I'm not online

hidden forge
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Can someone please give me an advice if i leave here a log that i did for 5 mins only with the War Buff to let me know if i am bad ? I want to improve but i don't know how πŸ™

winter axle
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I wish I was good enough to help. I'm in the same boat. There's another fury warrior in my guild that does 10-15k more dps than me in raids and I'm higher ilvl

hidden forge
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i am 263 ilvl, with 2 set items and myth weapon craft and i dealt 45k in ST in the Reinforced Golem, i feel like i should have dealt more

winter axle
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That fight doesnt usually last more than 2 minutes, so set it to 1 boss, 2 minutes, and choose just battle shout

deft palm
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why is everyone on MT for all the bosses

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even Vorsarius and salhadaar

south kayak
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big aoe

supple glen
lethal helm
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hello, during recklessness, is it better to do "rampage, bloodbath, rampage, bloodbath, etc" or do i prioritize rampage all time then bloodbath ?

strange drift
full topaz
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do you get another catalyst for hitting 3k rating in m+

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or was it just 2k

strange drift
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2k p sure

knotty hill
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Just 2k

strange drift
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at 3k u get a mount

full topaz
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aii bet

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is the 3k mount cool

knotty hill
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You get more catalyst when you get 4 set

supple glen
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usually its just rotation. from classic dc experience, every time someone thought they use their main generator on cd, they didnt

full topaz
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thank you

strange drift
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still not used to the 4p timings lol

sonic finch
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sorry i cant keep up with all the different release dates but do we get another catalyst charge on this next reset?

outer rover
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Yes

sonic finch
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ok thanks!

strange drift
# outer rover You Can

which addon #49498 do i need to install that would be replaced with a single setting in weakauras ?

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however im listening

outer rover
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In blizzard cdm you can put sounds for abilities

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Just right click the ability in cdm

strange drift
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lemme try it out

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after im done with the key

supple glen
# strange drift oh shi

only on aura applied or removed or cd ready, cant get a warning on like 1 stack of ww left bc fu :>

next sparrow
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Question: Where in this discord would I post findings for optimizations to the awrrior APL? (if any discovered?). Is this the current area?

dusk basin
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Hello people

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I’m actually struggling to find any MM+ groups that let me join, even in +2

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with 253ilvl

strange drift
dusk basin
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Is there any hate towards Fury Warriors? or is it just me

strange oyster
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if i got a hero track helm and a dawnlight mana flux is it worth upgrading it to tier

strange drift
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10's are super easy

bitter palm
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i still have a +2 cause we didnt do my key

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i list it to push it

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and no one is applying

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list ur own and hope someone applies

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once u get into 10s it gets infinitely better

dense elbow
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Luckily we got a life hack we can use

strange drift
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tanks don't exist btw just a heads up

dense elbow
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#TankInstaQue

bitter palm
south kayak
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Fury warriors are tanks

bitter palm
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i get insta qs as arms anyway

dense elbow
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I mean, I do as Fury

But i aint the one complaining

dusk basin
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why would i play arms ? it sucks

dense elbow
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If you complain, you go tank and stop whininh

south kayak
dusk basin
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ok well ty anyway

strange oyster
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Start ur own keys @dusk basin

random shadow
strange oyster
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That will help you get up

dusk basin
south kayak
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Arms probably top 3 aoe spec

random shadow
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Has some of the best AOE. Still think ST is still garbo

south kayak
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It's gonna be fine next week

bitter palm
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its fine right now

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lower than most others but ur aoe is higher than most others too

south kayak
bitter palm
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  • you can pull mobs on top of the boss and let arms funnel
south kayak
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Sub deadge

bitter palm
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didnt play back then

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ik sub got legit

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removed from the game cause of one buss

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boss

south kayak
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Yeah

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It was Zul

bitter palm
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xaaxaxa

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blizzard balancing

fresh jasper
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Question: even though i see it on the list as a solid trinket, is algethars puzzle box worthwhile or replace immediately when applicable? 2min on use with a long cast is not zug zug friendly haha

bitter palm
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its an absurd amount of stats and since all ur cds are on am

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it kinda aligns

spare steppe
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It has lower overall throughput unless you can plan around giant ass pulls

brittle mauve
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yo the non stop lua addons error pop up is killing me - any1 know how to suppress this pop up?

warm crag
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yeah you get working addons

brittle mauve
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ive leaned out my add ons, still getting the pop up

brittle mauve
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ok ty

warm crag
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ominous

spare steppe
bitter palm
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bro why is spell reflect cd bugged

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its so fucking annoying

warm crag
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oh i assumed that was just my addons not working cause i update monthly

bitter palm
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wait nvm its fixed

wooden scarab
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Is it just me or waiting to press thunderblast until you have two stacks in single target feels pretty bad

bitter palm
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thane prio is cooked

wooden scarab
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Yeah I started playing wow in the tww and this is my first experience like this and it's just so weird

drifting token
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Who the heck actually waits tho

forest berry
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hello guys quick question do u always applY whirldwind procc with TC in m+ ?

drifting token
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Yes

supple glen
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id assume the trinkets are balanced for st..

fading sky
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Its rly just rb>1stack

tepid beacon
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is there a list at all of what bosses in M+ can be spell reflected?

jagged shuttle
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guys i started trying to optimze my gear but im unsure if the stat distribution is even good i have

tepid beacon
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and is there any point to whirlwind if thunder clap already applies the stack?

warm crag
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if you're playing thane you drop whirlwind you just never press it

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there used to be a reflect spreadsheet but i cant find it maybe its not maintained

quiet osprey
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covers trash + bosses

tepid beacon
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thanks guys, and yea playing thane

worldly bobcat
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yo i can see that on wowhead guiide offhand bis is Blood Knight's Warblade while on icyveins its Blood Knight's Impetus

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what should i craft?

turbid spruce
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execute is never a priority above bloodthirst? even in execute phase right?

tepid beacon
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trying to understand how this item on the right is better as its only champion, one on the left is hero - is it because I haven't fully upgraded the hero track I'm guessing

turbid spruce
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cause versatility is the worst status

warm crag
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IS THAT PAWN

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caps

turbid spruce
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you want a good amount of crit haste mastery and very low versatility

warm crag
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please delete pawn

quiet osprey
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pawn is such a throwback πŸ˜€

sullen dove
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pawn might be cooking though thoughts

fading sky
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Its 5points

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Difference

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Also sim it

sullen dove
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sim probably shows something like that

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but yea crit goodge

tepid beacon
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I'm at like 198/200 lol

tepid beacon
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don't the amount of crests you can have/use get capped per season?

tepid beacon
fading sky
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Per week

tepid beacon
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ahh mb, sorry haven't played in ages

fading sky
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100 per week

tepid beacon
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is Pawn generally seen as bad then?

sullen dove
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yea would not upgrade that neck anyway if u kill heroic endboss you could rip a 276 for free wit no crests

warm crag
sullen dove
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thank you 3 nightmare prey quests

bitter palm
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thank you pawn πŸ‘

fading sky
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🀣

tepid beacon
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when someone told me to download Pawn I was like, "I got 80 gigs worth"

"no, PAWN"

warm crag
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can you delete pawn now please

tepid beacon
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gone!

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but yea ty for the info guys, will keep in mind

warm crag
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sick

sullen dove
warm crag
tepid beacon
# jagged shuttle guys i started trying to optimze my gear but im unsure if the stat distribution ...

This is the info I got from ChatGPT as I want to know the same - maybe the guys here could briefly proof read it in case there's any discrepancies:

Crit: 28–32%
Haste: 22–26%
Mastery: 18–22%
Vers: 6–10%

πŸ‘‰ If you’re around this β†’ you’re in a very solid spot

πŸ”„ How to Think About It (Simple Rule)
Low gear β†’ prioritize Crit + Haste
Better gear β†’ Mastery gains value
Always avoid dumping everything into one stat
πŸ’‘ Pro Insight (this is big)

Once you reach:

~30% Crit
~25% Haste

πŸ‘‰ Your rotation β€œunlocks” and becomes:

Much smoother
Much higher uptime
Way easier to maintain Enrage

sullen dove
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holy

south kayak
quiet osprey
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wow

warm crag
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man

sullen dove
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is this new tech

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but yea it definitely just makes up some shit

warm crag
sullen dove
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Crit should be nowhere near 30

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mastery is like around 40% I think

tepid beacon
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I'm getting the impression there's an air of sarcasm in the room πŸ˜„

sullen dove
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Avoid dumping into one stat a somewhat decent statement

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but also kind of not possible anyway

quiet osprey
# sullen dove is this new tech

i mean agents can run simcraft in the background and infer from those outputs, but you don't get much more compared to RaidBots without some effort

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not chatgpt via chat interface tho

sullen dove
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yea they are most certainly not pulling any warrior sims and seeing what stats they have

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maybe they β€˜could’

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but uh… yea someone get on wowgpt

tepid beacon
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It's not bad for a general idea of what you have to aim for right? I mean not sticking to what it says 100%

quiet osprey
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i used codex a few times to parse through some logs from warcraftlogs, kind of speeds up looking at specific fights

sullen dove
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I mean it’s just not anywhere close to what % of stats you should have

south kayak
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30% crit as fury

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Lol

sullen dove
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The only like concrete correct thing it says is just get crit haste and mastery and doesn’t breathe a word of versatility

warm crag
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please only sim your character and try not to use genai for information about anything that doesnt effectively have an encyclopedia to pull from

tepid beacon
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ok

south kayak
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I hate the fact that AI is now the first link when you search somethihg

sullen dove
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the google one is like somewhat ok I think

warm crag
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good lesson for other instances you might be using genai for, its just making stuff up all the time and its on you to double check that its not smoking crack

sullen dove
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mostly for just the most basic cursory info on something

south kayak
quiet osprey
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i'm still laughing at pro insight (this is big)

south kayak
sullen dove
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πŸ’‘

warm crag
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πŸ‘‰ If you’re around this β†’ you’re in a very solid spot

quiet osprey
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i wish i was that good at bullshiting irl

sullen dove
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easier to maintain enrage with high haste and crit! hesRight tho!

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enrage may do nothing with 20% mast but good uptime

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truth nuke

south kayak
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It seems like chatgpt is combining a lot of fury iterations

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Like the crit enrage thing is definitely old

sullen dove
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yea I mean that probably might have been true at one or more points in time

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The stats

south kayak
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That's MoP fury

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But afaik mastery has always been good for fury

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So it feels weird for it not to include that lol

remote bobcat
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oh wow i missed chatgpt warrior

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sad

sullen dove
odd vapor
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does chimaerus heropic drop catalyst charge?

remote bobcat
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Once u get 4piece, every boss has a low chance to drop cata charges

deft palm
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just a quick question, when i have cds active i never touch crushing blow unless i have no charges of thunderous blast, no SD proc and Bloodbath is on Cd right?

echo rapids
deft palm
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ok so i guess i was right

supple glen
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ppl actual use ai for everything and repost the results as if theyre worth anything lol

tepid beacon
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lol I didn't know tbh

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I work in game dev and use CGPT for stuff like coding and shaders

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so it works pretty well for that

left peak
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You want to stack Arcane mastery on both weapons or bersk on 2nd?

supple glen
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thats a bit different

tepid beacon
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so I thought it would be the same for giving good info on this 🀣 mb

remote bobcat
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it works well when there's documentation to grab. You should be incredibly careful with that

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It doesnt work for changing metas

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it doesn't work for changing talent trees

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it doesn't work in any dynamic fields

tepid beacon
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ah yea makes sense

modest condor
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if people want to ask chatgpt then that's on them

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they will learn the hard way that they shouldnt do that

remote bobcat
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my friend copies the CSV from rank 1 log and his own CSV into chatgpt and asks it what hes doing poorly compared to rank 1 log based on current APL that he also copy pastes into the prompt

tepid beacon
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I mean, I don't know if they'll learn anything to be honest....they'll just be doing worse dps wondering why πŸ˜„

remote bobcat
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that's like the only thing ive seen work to "some" degree

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but it still tells him bullshit

supple glen
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chatgpt is great for executing tasks, not necessarily gathering information

modest condor
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yeah and then they realise chatgpt is nonsense

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and if they dont then they'll just keep being bad forever

blissful hound
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lmao

modest condor
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chatgpt obviously refers to any kind of llm here

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it's like saying google to search for something even tho more and more people are moving away from it

supple glen
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bits of code are also kind of safe to use although you never know what bugs that code might lead to later on

blissful hound
modest condor
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well im a zug zug warrior not a dev

deft palm
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should my rendorei acuity be on my main hand?

modest condor
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they're all the same to me

blissful hound
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Β―_(ツ)_/Β―

tepid beacon
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genuinely asking, as the shader code its been giving me has worked fine, I mean its not always 100% on the money and needs tweaking, but haven't got any complaints

rare garnet
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i dont care if the LLM is good or bad, as long as it tells the devs to buff fury and they comply

blissful hound
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10% buff pls

tepid beacon
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according to chatgpt, jk

rare garnet
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nah, we need to think outside the box, too many big rooms and adds... we need 30s bladestorm, bladestorm now is 25y circle, odyn buffed by 200% and has a 25y circle, improved whirlwind now 25y range on our attacks

blissful hound
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I also wouldnt mind buffs to Arms big enough so I dont have to touch Fury anymore

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This spec stinks

rare garnet
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isn't arms good now

blissful hound
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ST is still giga cooked

drifting token
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Wait till Tuesday

south kayak
rare garnet
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ST doesnt matter when every raid has adds tho yeah

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just pad, ez

blissful hound
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Topping dps on every fight in hc raid except Salhaadar keks

jagged shuttle
rare garnet
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i hear arms ST bad, yet there they are

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thriving

blissful hound
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hm

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How tho

remote bobcat
supple glen
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90th isnt real

blissful hound
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90 isnt high

rare garnet
remote bobcat
#

obv it isnt

supple glen
#

95-99 or bust

#

bc 90th are shitters

remote bobcat
#

95 is also dogshit

#

lol

supple glen
#

well there is some variation in raids

rare garnet
blissful hound
#

But if 90 is this close I cant imagine it being much different on 99

rare garnet
#

i didn't wanna feel so bad

blissful hound
#

ye

supple glen
#

ok and?

blissful hound
#

But genuinely, how lol

south kayak
#

Nevermind arms, fury needs a buff

rare garnet
remote bobcat
#

arms outpeaks fury just give the full picture no?

blissful hound
quiet osprey
rare garnet
supple glen
#

tbf, arms cleaves a bunch of useless shit

remote bobcat
rare garnet
#

what useless shit is arms cleaving on salhadaar

blissful hound
#

lmao

rare garnet
#

you may not like it, but arms is bis

#

and they're only getting stronger

supple glen
#

oh sal, mb

rare garnet
#

soon your raid leaders will ask if you have an arms set

deft palm
#

why am i so dogshit that ww monks beat me in aoe

#

cleave

#

are monks good in aoe too or am i bad

blissful hound
#

WW is okay-ish in aoe

sweet palm
#

They are good in aoe

blissful hound
#

Or I just havent seen a good one

deft palm
#

heres a question

#

How good is our burst Aoe?

#

i feel like we can only get up to like 300k

#

but other classes get like 600k

blissful hound
#

ye but you have a lot of consistent damage

rare garnet
blissful hound
#

Enh can burst up to 1M+ but then does tank dps outside of cds

#

While we can just continue doing 200k+ nonstop

rare garnet
#

flat

blissful hound
#

Fury == Netherlands

wispy plaza
#

lol πŸ˜‚

deft palm
blissful hound
#

pretty much ye

#

If you prefer crazy burst youre better off playing Arms

remote bobcat
#

fury is good when tanks are bad

#

πŸ’―

frank crystal
#

Why is everyone crying about warriors on keys ? For their dmg

wintry wharf
#

If enraged/have cleave buff etc or in ST without cleave buff β€” and our triple BT/BB procs, we slapping that thing 3 times in a row?

leaden wasp
#

If u dont have stacks/Cap enrage, yeah

wintry wharf
#

Sorry, which stacks would I be looking out for?

leaden wasp
#

Thunderclaps

#

U want to spam bt/bb for thunderclap procs

somber thicket
#

But 10% st dmg for fury more would be perfect

hardy cargo
rotund ginkgo
#

I SEE TRIPLE BB PROCS

#

I SPAM BB

fading sky
#

same

#

if i overcap i overcap

rotund ginkgo
#

YOU CANT CONTAIN THIS RAGE

fading sky
#

thats how its meant to be playee

rotund ginkgo
#

130/130 FOR 4 SECONDS STRAIGHT

#

OPTIMAL? NO SIR WE'RE JUST ANGRY

forest berry
#

quick and prob useless question, i'm about to craft my weapon should i go for crit/haste for the missive ?? ty helping a noob out

undone flower
smoky vale
#

you should sim

#

to find out

wintry wharf
golden linden
#

Why does the Rampage proc come up on my screen, when I don't have enough rage to use it?

undone flower
#

The apex talent reduce rampage cost

golden linden
#

yes, but I can't use rampage when it comes up

fervent mirage
#

new to fury, just of first glance does anything look wrong? No tierset yet. Was on nexus point xenus

hardy cargo
golden linden
#

ah makes sense, thank you

red elk
#

is simming 38k on single target with no buffs (ilvl 255) sound about right or is my build off?

winter shoal
#

Can you link the sim

winter shoal
#

explain

red elk
#

tank main, needed boots

rare garnet
#

hmm

winter shoal
#

No r5 is unfortunate

#

Idk talents look fine, 3m target dummy sim isn't something people run that often, so I can't give a great reference point

#

My 3m target dummy sim is like 53k but my gear is kinda cheeks, swordish/khazix/azrakan probably sim close to 60k on that profile

rare garnet
#

whats that, 3 minutes and no buffs?

red elk
#

yeah

winter shoal
tawny heron
rare garnet
#

interesting sim to run

winter shoal
#

Low ilvl weapons is also very unfortunate but if you're a tank main then wcyd

red elk
#

I dunno, its the closest you're gonna get to actually hitting the dummy, so when I test on dummy I know what to aim for

winter shoal
#

Note that target dummy sims also don't use battle shout

rare garnet
winter shoal
#

Which presumably you will during your testing

rare garnet
#

guess the WA didn't pop up

limpid tide
#

@rare garnet what trinkets r u running

rare garnet
#

they're really bad

limpid tide
#

what trinkets do u want 2 run

#

rn i have solarflare and the cruicble

queen sleet
#

for general m+ play do we send odyns on cd or do we wanna pair it with reck/avatar?

limpid tide
#

cant get any raid trinkets :c

winter shoal
#

bro ???

limpid tide
#

not great

#

btw

#

??

winter shoal
#

schmidi sighted

smoky vale
#

@gleaming siren

undone flower
#

Schmididi toilet

rare garnet
#

got to feel powerful for week 1-2, now i fall off as the gamers grab a bunch of mythic gear

frank crystal
#

I mean I see fury war in keys doing amazing tone of dmg

#

And on some bosses they perform rly well

undone flower
#

ezkath doesn’t scale as fast as ppl who myth raid

#

bc he don’t myth raid

frank crystal
#

lol

smoky vale
#

meow

undone flower
spare helm
rare garnet
#

IM GLAD DAMAGE IS IN A GOOD STATE FOR MOUNTAIN THANE HOW ABOUT WE LOOK AT SLAYER AOE COPILOT

#

oh, carry on

undone flower
#

It’s a PvP developper note

spare helm
#

i just thought we would get nerfed >_<

#

fury is in a damn fine state i think ofc we could be ebtter tho

undone flower
#

burst of power is kinda busted in PvP

limpid tide
#

does any1 have that picture of the key levels and what they award

#

like a +16 for great vault

rare garnet
#

i did a few pvp games, sat in chain roots getting tunneled, root breaks usleess since they all just spam reapply now for like 10s over and over and over, then vendored all that gear, no thx, ill let the ranged enjoy PVP

smoky vale
limpid tide
#

yea but i need it to 16

undone flower
#

Yes you scrolled too far down, you have to stop when the blue post say Player versus Player

smoky vale
#

there isnt

limpid tide
#

or does it not matter past 12 now

smoky vale
#

anything past 10s

spare helm
#

it doesnt go higher than M10 in vault

#

lol

#

past 10 it doesnt matter

limpid tide
#

what

#

some1 lied to me

rare garnet
#

12 still BiS, affix are puke

spare helm
#

apparently

undone flower
#

Affix makes the key faster

limpid tide
#

someone told me they changed it im stupid

sullen dove
#

Thoughts on dropping 500k on halleria necklace for lock

#

think I’d be willing to do that should it happen

rare garnet
sullen dove
#

yea I mean u are chopped in the head but wcyd

rare garnet
#

zug zug

undone flower
#

Should not talk while you spent 500k on neck

rare garnet
#

on a warlock

undone flower
#

On your alt

#

Warlock is fine it’s half a war

rare garnet
#

is warlock the best alt because it has war in the name or the worst alt because its a fucking warlock, i cant decide

dense elbow
coarse nest
#

@sullen dove do you know of a good warrior pov where I can also look at their log, on chimaerus?

winter axle
dry hawk
#

Good luck getting crests back basically

rare garnet
#

just dont lose them

winter axle
#

How many people actually lost crests though?

undone flower
#

No one I know

sullen dove
#

can look at my log for the most ethical boss damage in the game but piss all add damage okayge

#

but if u want to parse ask to get sent in g1

#

And probably hold cds on pull for like 10-15ish seconds

#

If g2 tho u just slam that shit on cd and occasionally get to hit adds but blow up boss

winter axle
#

wtf m8

#

What is this supposed to do?

coarse nest
sullen dove
#

make lower levels of your tier set have the mythic glow

#

like heroic/normal sets etc

#

It’s usually just head/shoulders tho sometimes noticeable on other pieces like belt potentially gloves

tranquil wyvern
#

is the dmg gain from MT over slayer for M+ is big? or kinda same?

sullen dove
#

what a goat warrior name btw

sullen dove
#

but it’s still fine to slayer in 10-12 range if you’re not worried about damage being limiting factor to time

#

keys are kinda giga easy this szn

tranquil wyvern
#

yup

sullen dove
#

just don’t die 4head

spare helm
#

eh anyway to show my gear for any improvements ?
I feel like im falling to low on mastery but any M+ gear does not sim any better than what i currently have Q_Q

sullen dove
#

well If you’re simming then already on the right track

#

idk I mean u do want a good amount of mastery but it’s not like it’s the only stat you go for

spare helm
sullen dove
#

This isn’t like gospel to follow of course but as something of a baseline to follow I have around 20crit20haste40mast and almost 0 verse

#

yea that doesn’t sound bad

#

I’m similar ish there i think

#

Can maybe try to work towards more crit

#

If u think that’s a little low

spare helm
#

im at 16 crit o-o
22 Haste and 40 Mast
3% Vers bc for some fked up reason Sim said so

#

have the NEck from seat

sullen dove
#

yea I mean a little verse will happen it’s nbd

spare helm
#

with Thane i would do 83,5k ST which doesnt seem bad

sullen dove
#

those stats look p fine tho I don’t think u need to worry about secondaries as much as just higher ilvl

#

oh yeah what man that’s like…

#

almost as good as some of the top sims rn

#

You’re more than fine wut xd

spare helm
#

im new i have no clue if its any good

#

xD

#

new to warri

#

and fking hell i love it xD

sullen dove
#

I hit like 87k with slayer but I’m a bit of a loot fed piggy

#

but would prolly be 2-3k less as thane

#

so yea I think u are hard chillin

spare helm
#

eh lemme check

sullen dove
#

U gotta be almost 270 no

spare helm
#

270,44

sullen dove
#

or are

#

yea

#

idk nothin seems wrong with your gear just game for da sake of game

#

pmuch just crest waiting/vault farming myth gear

spare helm
#

85,936 on slayyer

sullen dove
#

nice

spare helm
#

only thing i need to change apparently is one of my rings

sullen dove
#

ok I go get haircut

#

It keep on blasting

#

yea rings are significant ish

#

nexus 2set very good

spare helm
#

bc apparently the Nexus ring sims better on me than the Academy one

#

-_-

sullen dove
#

but since secondaries are all of a rings value 2 rings can have very diff value from each other

spare helm
#

but than i feel like im missing to much Crit chance

sullen dove
#

yea I mean can try to swap some enchants or crafted gear Ilvl or something for that

#

But all in the sims

teal valve
#

Guys, one quick question, the rampage/thunderclap rotation i start doing when ? like 5 targets ?

sullen dove
#

7+

teal valve
#

Ok, thanks ❀️

#

Another one, sorry

#

Switching Massacre for Rampaging Ruin its only worth it for algethar academy ?

sullen dove
#

probably not by much if so thunder clap/blast and odyns already very adequate aoe

#

but if u rly wanted to try it out that’d probably be the best place to

#

just don’t forget the 2nd ramp macro to not do 3 dps during boss fights

teal valve
#

Wait, thats a thing ? i have no idea about it

sullen dove
unborn delta
#

i dont think they've heard about second ramp macro, pippin

sullen dove
#

idk if that’s been fixed yet as per message but would assume not

echo rapids
#

RR would have been a nice talent like s2 TWW but now we ironically have plenty of aoe

unborn delta
#

soredish on chimaerus did they make you go down first or second group

sullen dove
#

2nd but didn’t know what it would cost me

#

Ok haircut bye bye

echo rapids
#

Ask for the zug zug special

lyric lily
#

Question. For the Paladins fight in Voidspire, is Mountain Thane notably better than Slayer (multi-target)?

I was in Slayer, which I usually perform great with even in AOE situations, but I was completely falling flat in that fight for some reason

echo rapids
#

Yes

echo rapids
#

Thane is super goated

#

Improved meat cleaver is a beast

lyric lily
#

I guess what really confused me, is that I was passing great with slayer even in fights with multi target. I also use it and do great in mythic plus. But then hit a wall suddenly with that fight.

Would you say it is the improved meat clever that is a big difference? And maybe that it is constantly three targets the entire fight, as opposed to sporadic groups of adds?

echo rapids
#

I assume TC and TB are just better sustained

strange oyster
#

Anyone know if i should upgrade my hero track head into tier ?

echo rapids
#

I think TC radius is larger than WW too which helps you catch another paladin when they are not perfectly stacked

hollow leaf
#

my main might be going panda

sullen dove
fickle cedar
#

question, are you guys replacing your champion set pieces for hero (from m+)

rare garnet
#

i did 132k dps as slayer on that fight and top 100 thanes are doing somewhere between 134 and 150. So while I ceartainly would do more as thane, I don't feel like I held the group back.

lyric lily
#

I parsed orange on the first and third boss of the raid, but somehow I’m stuck in Green for paladins. It’s really making me scratch my head.

rare garnet
#

stay cleaving, try to always be next to the 2 paladins that are grouped, ignore the guy that runs out tbh his shield breaks so fast its not worth the charge, i would delay bladestorm by 5s if it meant having the 3rd paladin come in for it if they were out for a mechanic

edgy widget
rare garnet
#

i mean, sure, i mean, i don't know since i refuse to talent it because i just want to zug not pay attention to another keybind, but you're certainly absolutely correct

#

all i know is im the best heroic paladins pandaren slayer in NA 1 night guild and i dont use wrecking throw and if you're ever feeling bad about yourself just add more filters till you're on top

coarse nest
#

is the Nexus ring's set bonus damage not called "Twilight Barrage" in the full html raid bots report?

rare garnet
#

rings are twilight barrage and the gloves are voidclaw

#

big paladins damage, really worth it

coarse nest
#

okay thats what I thought

#

so my full html report from a top gear sim with those rings created doesnt show twilight barrage

rare garnet
#

hmm... my sim shows it

coarse nest
#

wonder why that would be

rare garnet
#

probably how top gear generates the like, combined report, i would toss it into quicksim

coarse nest
#

idk how to convert a top gear character into quick sim

lyric lily
#

Should I always make sure that I have recklessness to activate before my blade storm or is it not worth waiting very long if they don’t lineup?

coarse nest
#

i do not have the rings yet

#

i just created them in top gear

icy whale
#

how do you guys manage your interrupts?
i feel like i have too many buttons for it
got 2 focus buttons and 2 stormbolt buttons and 2 pummel buttons for focus mouseover target etc

rare garnet
coarse nest
eager thorn
#

having 2 buttons for each interrupt seems like turbo overkill

balmy flicker
#

is 2 set and 4set a big dps increase?

rare garnet
#

raidbots needs a plus ultra version to i can sim all gear and all gem combos and all enchants, i need like 60M iterations please and thank you

icy whale
#

so i made a focus button and stormbolt / pummel that target focus

#

but then if i have to do something on a target thats not focus, i need a 2nd one...

loud field
#

how's slayer vs thane in m+ and raid yall think? out of curiosity πŸ€”

icy whale
#

thane almost always better i feel like

coarse nest
#

ez

icy whale
#

except its fully single target

balmy flicker
#

!tier

strange oyster
#

!tier

supple glen
#

!tier

dawn crater
#

Guys, a stupid question but during Lightblinder Vanguard fight, do we need to keep up our whirlwind buff ?

#

in general, the whirlwind buff is for how many target ?

#

4+ ?

burnt oxide
#

you could just read the talent itself. It hits 4 additional targets

#

and yes you keep it up

#

even at 2 targets for cleave

dawn crater
#

yes 4 additional, but start from 1 ? πŸ™‚

#

ok thx a lot

burnt oxide
#

you hit 4 other targets for 65% of the damage

dawn crater
#

i thought fury was multi target by default that why i ask

burnt oxide
#

nop, full single target without improved whirlwind

#

for the rotational stuff atleast, Odyns fury and Bladestorm always hit multiple

rare garnet
#

improved whirlwind passive would be goat

#

counting is hard

orchid iron
#

gents if I just wanna level delvers journey should I keep doing 11s or just like spam 1s?

#

or do alts get a bunch of bonus xp or something?

past pivot
#

uise alts. Do quests but save until 88 and turn all in for quick 90

west stream
#

this may sound like a silly question but does the improved whirlwind talen effect rampage?

burnt oxide
#

yes

west stream
#

ah ok just checking πŸ™‚

#

was confused after seing the other rampage cleave talent

digital mauve
#

​​How much of an increase the tier set is?

rare garnet
burnt oxide
#

making it annoying as hell in single target

#

(you need to /cancelaura for full effectiveness)

dense elbow
zinc hawk
#

hi guys

#

how can i figure out why im doing horrible dps as fury warr :/

dense elbow
burnt oxide
#

reading the wowhead rotation guide, and applying them mostly

undone flower
gleaming siren
zinc hawk
#

okay thank you

dense elbow
#

tldr what is wrong:

  • Your rotation, go to #dps-faq
  • Gear, get it
  • Fix your rotation again
coarse nest
gleaming siren
#

The HTML report won't show a different actor for every profileset

#

But copies essentially create additional actors which is why they come with additional computational overheas

#

And why raidbots is mostly profilesets

#

You could make a sim with a bunch of copies of yourself and an Aug Evoker and it would moatly work for example

#

But the same is not true for profilesets

smoky vale
hollow leaf
#

on st

digital mauve
#

and mt?

sullen dove
next mica
#

warrior buffs when? : D

hollow leaf
#

~3% and 5%

#

oh sorry you meant mt as multitarget

#

not sure if we have those sims

#

can ask greg

bright blaze
#

I locked in on two dungeons as fury warrior

#

And damn my hands hurt

stiff carbon
#

Ya, I don't know if my hand will last a season

#

Is arms less apm?

onyx linden
#

man up and spam your buttons

knotty hill
#

Think the hardest thing about slayer is remembering to use rend.

#

Definitely much happier this week. Going from a 5 grey parse to an 80-85. Huge improvement

smoky vale
#

good job πŸ™‚

#

keep it up

onyx linden
#

thats not because of pressing Rend, thats for sure

#

but gz

next mica
#

when are thunderclap buffs hiting? : D

smoky vale
#

never

knotty hill
#

Oh no def not. Fixed my stats and proper-ish rotation

onyx linden
#

lmao i dont use advanced sim too often

hollow leaf
onyx linden
#

thanks! peepostudy

undone flower
compact siren
#

@warm crag should I still raging blow if I want to cause maximum damage to my opponent both mentally and physically?

hollow leaf
warm crag
#

yea

compact siren
#

thanks

onyx linden
robust onyx
#

do we want more mastery or haste? sims tell me to hastemaxx and im scared

onyx linden
#

dont be scared, i have 29% haste

next mica
gleaming marlin
hollow leaf
sinful charm
left peak
#

If 1st wep is enchanted with Arcane mastery, what should 2nd be?

hollow leaf
hollow quiver
#

how good is the Xenas rings bonus?

plush maple
sinful charm
plush maple
somber elk
#

Man Nexus Ring are Pain, 20
Runs in and didnt get a Single one

latent gust
#

is slayer considerably better than Thane in raid?

#

i actually loathe the way slaayer players currently

full topaz
#

is my damage breakdown bad

rare garnet
delicate thicket
#

the offbeat spinning constantly

#

awful

latent gust
#

if the difference isnt significant ill take the optimal dps loss just to have a much cleaner rotation

#

slayer is actually fucking garbage the way it plays currently to me

civic hemlock
#

Yo whats the prio in huge packs? Like 8+ mobs?

#

In BL

dense elbow
#

To not die

civic hemlock
#

Ah doesn't change even in big big pull. Thank you

echo rapids
#

Your uncapped spells are already at the top

finite oxide
#

Why avatar over the other skill?

#

Forgot the name but its a talent choice

sullen dove
#

bladestorm?

#

cuz thane uses avatar and slayer uses bladestorm

pliant jackal
#

Give us back Mechagon ring set

#

nexus ring set is pretty sick too tho

#

what key level does m+ start getting hard around

#

anyone who pushed up high?

broken walrus
#

I heard the jump from 12 to 13s is ruff

median umbra
#

the difficulty kinda depends on ur gear

pliant jackal
#

it feels a lot easier than the previous xpac

#

i don't remember easily clearing 10s at veteran and champion gear

modest condor
#

it is

pliant jackal
#

at previous xpacs

#

getting into keys is still the same

#

im trying to save my key for a buddy

full topaz
#

is this good for us

broken walrus
#

Feels like they were gun shy on tuning with the ability pruning and addon changes

echo rapids
pliant jackal
#

i think its ok to make 10s easier on the first week but this is too easy

pure breach
full topaz
#

got these today got luckyh

pliant jackal
#

the nexus ring set seems to sim really well

#

i got one of the rings

#

the gear sim is telling me to get the other for 700+

full topaz
#

i was wondering for the trinket combo i see most people going gaze with heart of hunger

#

is that better then gaze and puzzle box

pliant jackal
#

i don't feel like messing with any 2 minute trinkets

#

i rather run two passive

#

thats just me tho

full topaz
#

yeah i feel that aswell

#

i keep forgetting sometimes

#

i even have it

#

so im lowkey losing so much value out of the trinket

#

i rolled a 99 on heart this week and somone topped it off with a 100

#

..

pliant jackal
#

i got a mark of light trinket and didn't realize how dogshit it was until the sims

fading sky
#

so is heart for us

full topaz
#

yes i noticed gaze is pretty nice

supple glen
#

2s cast every 2ish minutes and it kinda lines up up with every 2nd set of cds + big numbers

full topaz
#

i only have a champ but it still does its job

fading sky
#

champ is more than enough

full topaz
#

hopefully hero next week

fading sky
#

well Kassk true

#

but when ever ya cds align inside a trash pull

supple glen
#

just put the trinket button more central so you remember

fading sky
#

man standing sitll 2 sec feels awesome

pliant jackal
#

its more of macroing the trinkets together

fading sky
#

NOT

pliant jackal
#

with cds

echo rapids
#

I’m not using that, hard pass

supple glen
#

it does suck a bit for sure buts huge

full topaz
#

so i made a big mistake by crafting bracers first since last time i played was dragonflight

#

and not having the mythic weapon is biting my ass

pliant jackal
#

you are fine

full topaz
supple glen
#

thats fair

full topaz
#

this is what im working with atm

echo rapids
#

It’s fine but read the guide next time

pliant jackal
#

you need to get yourself another hero weapon

full topaz
#

i ran 23 runs of pit of saron for the weapon

#

no weapon drop

#

i got the ring 3 times

echo rapids
#

I haven’t even done 23 keys yet

full topaz
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i laid off for a couple of months from work so im just tryna grind like good old days

pliant jackal
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i think i ran 70 de other side for my Overwhelminig power crystal

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back in shadowland

echo rapids
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But my attempt to take a day off from work to run keys was thwarted

pliant jackal
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but that was when i was in college lmao

compact knot
pliant jackal
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I got too exicted for the two set and used my catalyst on my gloves but I don't think voidclaw gaunlet is even all that

compact knot
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voidclaw is free damage

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so

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with not the worst stats

pliant jackal
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somebody said it was less than 1% of damage

compact knot
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yeah it is

pliant jackal
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i mean yea it is free damage

unborn delta
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why does bm hunter lust not works

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πŸ™

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was he lying

odd vapor
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do we only use thunder clap when we have 2 charges? Or is it valid to use it with one charge

unborn delta
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this 1?

wild plank
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20 m+ runs and only 1 catalyst blizard

pliant jackal
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only look at the prio list at wowhead

gleaming juniper
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Does anyone have a fix for Jundies Plater in raid?

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it works fine everywhere else, but friendly nameplates break in raid

karmic storm
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Hello, why can't i find war fury or arm on simulationcraft website ?

summer imp
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ic some ppl with a crafted 2hander and crafter gear piece how can we have enough sparks for that i got 4/4 and still missing 1 spark 2 craft 2nd piece after 2 hander

gleaming juniper
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we are at 5 this week

summer imp
gleaming juniper
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yeah

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that's a PVP item

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does not require a spark

spare steppe
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Like you can do a veteran piece with an embellishment

sullen dove
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ok we need some ppl to start crashing the market on flasks immediately

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what is this 1k+ gold per r1 flask

heavy folio
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r1 is luxury

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im starting to belive that getting legs and 2 fingers from nexus point requires 100+ runs

hardy cargo
heavy folio
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60 r1 flasks right there

pliant jackal
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fury can carry magisters' terrace so hard

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so much deeps

heavy folio
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3rd boss is nice

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with lust you can pump real good

pliant jackal
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just the trash pulls are really nice

heavy folio
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fury is your hard-working blue collar worker in this week's m+

pliant jackal
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Ethical DPS

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vs foulbaiting dps

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who is a foulbaiting dps class lmao

restive peak
finite oxide
sullen dove
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thane is a lot better aoe slayer is a little better st

finite oxide
sullen dove
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either or's fine for that

finite oxide
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Cool thanks

sullen dove
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whichever u like more between bladestorm or thunder blastin

finite oxide
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I like them both bladestorm felt alittlebit faster

sullen dove
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ye should be good