yea
#fury
sullen dove
sullen dove
if you have 0 verse and it takes away verse
do you do negative damage and take more damage
elder parcel
how important is execute phase for the thane raid build in terms of dps gained?
sullen dove
coarse nest
sullen dove
doesnt get that much execute just bloodbath does 25% more damage and you can hit the execute button more reliably
which is a better filler than raging blow
so not nothing but not insane
sullen dove
in execute?
brittle crow
FROM execute
sullen dove
brittle crow
the capstone
brittle crow
6 sec
sullen dove
but yea
brittle crow
but it matters
sullen dove
big
echo rapids
Exexute: am I a joke to you?
brittle crow
honestly feels like u need to go out of ur way to press execute to maintain it even in ramp
but
the prio list doesn't say to
so it's feelycraft
api question
sullen dove
yea i mean its prolly too much thought
brittle crow
@winter shoal
sullen dove
like if 10% ramp damage on our 2set is like 2%
sullen dove
its prolly not that crazy to get the buff from that either
vs like potentially wasting rage or losing enrage or something
cuz you do hit exe if its up almost immediately as both hero specs
brittle crow
yea but in st thane is still doing ramp ramp bb sometimes while in reck
sullen dove
just behind ramp on 1 or 2 conditions and bt
brittle crow
so that's a lot of dmg
sullen dove
ya maybe
brittle crow
tho if ur doing that
sullen dove
tho hitting exe could overcap you and also 1 less berserk stack 3% strength stacking on itself
brittle crow
u usually have to press execute as filler
sullen dove
potato potahto its prolly evened out to just be better to not care about that
brittle crow
cuz ramp ramp bb starves u
sullen dove
yea
sullen dove
brittle crow
i thunk too close to the sun maybe
gritty locust
With all raid buffs en cds is it bad to spam rampage like 3 or 4 times in a row when possible or better bloodbath inbetween ?
covert blaze
what about lvl swordish
echo rapids
With all raid buffs en cds is it bad to spam rampage like 3 or 4 times in a row ...
Both slayer and thane have things above rampage
rare helm
Raiding HC in pre-mades I have realised that my damage is not consistent. I suck in some bosses and o perform well in others.
I am sure is about my rotation anyway to analice it and improve? I have the logs
echo rapids
if you arnt over 100 rage, then bloodbath and thunderclap at 2 stacks are higher for ST thane
rare helm
What is the reason to use Rampage just if not Enraged or 100+ Rage?
Why not on CD if it’s the most powerful skill
echo rapids
If we cast enrage at 80 then we risk not generating enough rage to cast enough before enrage runs out
rare helm
I mean, when it’s available
modest condor
your rampage casts are limited by your rage generation, casting a rampage earlier doesnt give you more rampages, it just means your next one is gonna be later
as long as you're enraged and you're not rage capped pressing rampage is not a priority
echo rapids
rare helm
Any content creator or webpage to master the warrior? Which rotation guide you prefer? (Method, icy veins, wow head)
I will read it and then will make specific questions here because I’m full of them
modest condor
wowhead, or the raidbots apl if you know how to read those
rare helm
Ok I will take a look. I am a lucky newbie warrior who got the 2h maze on vanguard hc today and o don’t want to make a fool of myself 🤣
full topaz
anyone know how to fix
pulsar quest
Why couldn't I do critcake damage on crown last night
I was off by like 10-15k
Am i bad
warm crag
hes 265
supple sinew
I did 68k dps at 257
warm crag
hes not you probably just couldnt pad as much and he did probably skill diff u
pulsar quest
Just tell me im shit spongie rip the bandaid
Yeah my raid was kinda cranking too tbh
sullen dove
it almost exclusively depends on what you finish p1 at
tho surprisingly he only finished at like 208k
which is def possible to get higher than that
tho im sure just did well rest of the fight/maybe had some decent pad on the p2 adds that die in .5 seconds
but i finished a p1 once at like 260k that felt like cinema
wasnt meant to be ofc
sullen dove
ya not too shabby
it does help to aoe adds a lot but i think most of the dmg in that phase is booming the bosses with cds and a massive dmg amp
pulsar quest
No 2pc but that doesn't matter too much anyways
Yeah true true
Its a fun fight tho
Im enjoying it
Gonna be a crazy mythic fight
Reminds me a lot of sarkareth
radiant plank
I was off by like 10-15k
Bro is doing arms dps on crown
pulsar quest
Nah thats my prot dps
sullen dove
No 2pc but that doesn't matter too much anyways
4pc probably significant ish for p1 pad
just double the uses on all the shitter adds
sullen dove
baseg
pulsar quest
Did you get juiced this time
sullen dove
got 2pc then farmed pvp for 4 yea
sullen dove
yea
only up to like 4/7 heroic tho
dragon bit too suske like day 2 or 3 whenever we did
dont think much time spent gearin alts
my split alt was like top 5 dps xd
but also warlock moment
pulsar quest
Yeah alt gearing wasn't too bad
I did a dk it was fun
Felt nice being a beloved class
sullen dove
dks being beloved and then being kinda bad for like half a week and then getting buffed back to being the poster child melee of wow again
sullen dove
never allowed to not be the best
spring pumice
Which hero tree gives more sustain/Dr?
sullen dove
it should sim accurately now
rare helm
I have been smashing Rampage when available as a monkey. Thank you guys. Any other typical noob fail?
woven valley
it should sim accurately now
thank you c:
sullen dove
uhh are you hitting a lot of raging blow
is next highest prio probably after spamming rampage
cuz rb should be last thing you hit
always hit like bt/execute/thunderblast first
only thing youd hit behind rb is like... an out of cooldown thunderclap as thane i think
proper shard
should i single target baldestorm if i am slayer on single target?
rare helm
uhh are you hitting a lot of raging blow
U are right spamming it too
proper shard
ok, thanks bro
sullen dove
🫡
yea try hitting a bit less raging blow, focus more on the other buttons mentioned above
bt especially is pretty much on cooldown always
rare helm
Thank you sir
sullen dove
u hit rb if u got nothing else to hit kinda
hasty grail
Are you sending anything but rampage over 100 rage? Or is the # 115?
rare helm
What is a “an out of cooldown thunderclap as thane i think”?
sullen dove
like as thane, when you dont have avatar, thunder clap isnt that good on its own
supple sinew
outside of avatar on mountain thane
sullen dove
but in cooldowns especially on aoe thunderclap is very strong and you spam it
rare helm
Ah ok
supple sinew
thunderclap is a little better inside avatar, takes it above raging blow
toxic iron
guys, can u tell me which site can tell me how much my char can do with the best rotation?
random turret
what is the best piece to craft for the fury atm? witm embelishment
sullen dove
guys, can u tell me which site can tell me how much my char can do with the best...
raidbots.com i think
toxic iron
thx
oblique thistle
what is the best piece to craft for the fury atm? witm embelishment
rare helm
So when you press rb?
sullen dove
when you cant press rampage/bloodthirst|bath/execute mainly
theres a bit more to it than that but those are the main 3 buttons both hero talents share
as thane you would hit thunderblast ahead of it too
supple sinew
my details looks like this am I doing something wrong
sullen dove
uh...
random turret
<#1234949058121171069>
thx
sullen dove
rampage and bloodbath should certainly not be doing half of autoattack
cunning sentinel
There a fight we run Arms on in Void?
blissful hound
There a fight we run Arms on in Void?
vanguards yeah
cunning sentinel
Nice ty!
rigid chasm
lol is that the chimaeron trinket "phlegmpocalypse"
full topaz
my details looks like this am I doing something wrong
LMAO
hollow leaf
xd
supple sinew
lol is that the chimaeron trinket "phlegmpocalypse"
perhaps
fleet garden
my details looks like this am I doing something wrong
#1 thing that improved my DPS game was to make sure I hit a button every gcd. It doesn't matter if you hit the wrong button, more buttons is always more damage
edgy widget
unironically that can be a big part of it
mossy fox
i am living proof
olive wraith
Insert I just push buttons meme
supple sinew
I was being silly I was tabbed out for like 5 mins and thats what I came back to
supple sinew
on a target dummy I might add
rotund ginkgo
@mossy fox on crown do u just pop on cds?
hollow quiver
xan you have negative versa with the pot or it stop at 0?
light mica
general question, during cds does 1 charge thunderblast overtake bloodbath in prio only on 4+? or is it just anything more than single target
mossy fox
<@235809563490779136> on crown do u just pop on cds?
idk i think so
winter shoal
the prio list doesn't say to
IIRC the original Sarri apl did track EW but the difference was so minimal that it was culled for simplicity
pearl trout
sup yall, still getting used to retail simming, messed around with it in TWW but still more i need to learn, these are the settings ive been simming with, anything else i should be changing for another sim or does this work for most situations?
winter shoal
Change simc version to latest
But that's mostly it, for aoe people generally change "1 boss" to 5
pearl trout
ok cool, thank you very much!
pliant jackal
I heard critcake uses a skill helper
rotund ginkgo
idk i think so
hmge
supple glen
are you guys "saving up" on thunderblast stacks before aoe
pliant jackal
Just let it fly
mossy fox
let fly
supple glen
ay
fair talon
Hi. which is slayer better for raids currently? or is there not big differnece?
smoky vale
loboz spotted in my group
goat
edgy widget
are you guys "saving up" on thunderblast stacks before aoe
there is a very minor gain to using Blast over Clap, but you'll largely mitigate that by wasting potential Blast procs or using a weaker GCD in order to bank them, so generally just send it
supple glen
aight cheers
edgy widget
even in heavy multitarget, ground current amounts to jack all
supple glen
just did much worse than other warr on a vaelgor and trying to find out if its a shit aoe phase or my rotation is just bad. which its is but by how much
sullen dove
vaelgor specifically is very huge pad on adds fight
winter shoal
Hi. which is slayer better for raids currently? or is there not big differnece?
They're very close single target, thane better sustained aoe, slayer better burst aoe. You can make an argument for either depending on the fight and group comp
sullen dove
almost exclusively holding cooldowns for add sets
supple glen
first one too? it feels so bad
pliant jackal
They're very close single target, thane better sustained aoe, slayer better burs...
The better the gear burst is better methinks
supple glen
esp when your pug wipes early and your finishing that try on 40k bc you didnt get to pad yet
sweating to no get replaced kek
sullen dove
The better the gear burst is better methinks
yea slayer will likely have a higher peak on bosses with rly short lived adds when ppl are more geared however main issue there is u are completely reliant on bladestorm rng
p1 alleria worst feeling of this to not hit 3 bs's with cds is very sad times
but even like first boss maybe getting bs back could be sus
and definitely almost impossible on the dragons
strong monolith
https://tenor.com/view/let-it-ride-let-it-ride-diem-gif-13460879079669063039
17 Black!
inner zinc
it blows my mind blizz has done nothing on the whole TC vs TB thing yet
fair talon
They're very close single target, thane better sustained aoe, slayer better burs...
okay in this case i will continue playing with mountain thane. I dont know how to do good dpa with Slayer
pallid cipher
I have a quick question for anyone who knows. Should I be using the Crucible of Erratic Energies over other trinkets even if the Crucible sims terribly? I look at top warrior logs and most of them are using the Crucible but whenever I sim my character it is always a downgrade.
sullen dove
it should sim accurately now
but maybe they just didnt get that lucky with trinkets or killed the boss mid split when loot hasnt gone out yet
i dont imagine most of them would "choose" to be using it over other stuff
so if your trinkets show as being better its probably right
winter shoal
okay in this case i will continue playing with mountain thane. I dont know how t...
Thane is a very safe default in all situations. It would never hurt to learn slayer as well, but thane is quite well-rounded currently
supple glen
imagine not getting 4 withered saptors paws from delves
formal geode
warriors with more brains than me i could do with an assist: did the sim for gaze break?
tardy lark
can literally slam thane in all content and you're good
formal geode
i have normal heart and hc guidon atm
tardy lark
warriors with more brains than me i could do with an assist: did the sim for gaz...
yes and no
past pivot
imagine not getting 4 withered saptors paws from delves
Sadge. I’ve only gotten 3. One was hero track and has +leech tho
supple glen
hell yeah leech 🔥
formal geode
yes and no
yes it broke, no it's not that bad or?
supple glen
i learned earlier that leech is pog for warrior
tardy lark
yes it broke, no it's not that bad or?
formal geode
cheers chief
tardy lark
so should prolly sim correctly at the end of amerifrog day or wherever taez/arma lives
edgy widget
warriors with more brains than me i could do with an assist: did the sim for gaz...
it's being worked on
pure sundial
whats the prio on rampage? do you click it when above 80 rage? or just whenver available? For thane fury
sullen dove
to keep enrage up #1, around 100 rage or above #2, and if you cant hit bb/bt/execute/thunderblast and can hit rampage thats #3
pretty much
small jay
over 110 always, in CDs it's just below bloodbath, outside of CDs it's below bloodthirst, execute and thunderblast
patent wedge
Do we execute on 2 stacks sudden death during reck? Doesn't say anything about it in the guide.
Slayer
sullen dove
i think thats not like a bad idea tho im assuming the thought process is it would be pretty unlikely for you to be sitting on 2 stacks of SD and have not spent one in like any 4-5 global range
like in cds you might do like double rampage > bb and then execute is kinda your only other option
so like technically yes but i think you avoid that situation pretty much all the time but just playing it normally
like if you get 3 charges of sd in that short a timeframe thats some insane luck
but exe is like #3 priority button for slayer so you should be spending them pretty frequently if you have them
pure sundial
thanks for the info!
but is there any point during CDs where you get tons of rage to click rampage twice in a row? seen that alot
sudden tusk
most of the time thats button mashing during lust + more then 20 people in splits means its laggy too
unborn delta
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3CQGbW78krDBPHVq?fight=55&type=damage-done how are warrior hitting both dragon here
for whole fight
nvm i looked at log wrong
only p3 it really starts cleaving
cursive ridge
hey how is fury warrior compared ot like uhdk?
brings a raid buff so thats nice, squishier, no grip
olive wraith
Is it really squishier?
blissful hound
Is it really squishier?
Not really
formal geode
it's being worked on
cheers homeslice
unborn delta
if you press no buttons then fury lives longer
blissful hound
dk lost some tankiness into Midnight
cursive ridge
dk is the most immortal class in game esp since you can immune most mechanics with ams its untouched completely
blissful hound
Theyre still good but not god tier
cursive ridge
no shot warrior is as tanky as dk
mint moat
For Thane in MT is BB>TC>Ramp assuming not capped on rage in all situations?
sullen dove
death strike is so mid
ams is like the coolest thing dk has
which is really cool
but spend half your rp to heal for 5% of your hp pog strike
blissful hound
10% from being enraged, 8% from TB, def stance with stance mastery is about 18%
Cant complain
nocturne bluff
Former dk main here, I feel like Fury has just as much survivability if you take into account defensive stance + cds
sullen dove
For Thane in MT is BB>TC>Ramp assuming not capped on rage in all situations?
in high target count in cooldowns clap/blast is basically spammed every other global
olive wraith
Does fury have more hp now too?
sullen dove
so rly only deciding between ramp/bb and yea if you wont overcap rage you can hit bb, so if rage bar is like around half full maybe slam a bb
sullen dove
but very real aoe rotation just goes ramp > tb > ramp > tb > ramp > tc > bb > tc > ramp > tb etc
smoky vale
will of the necropolis
sullen dove
its pmuch just the 2nd weapons worth of stamina that gives us more hp than other classes yea
but other specs have like random 10% stamina nodes
ig thane also has a 5% stam thing
sullen dove
eh similar enough
nocturne bluff
lol what?
olive wraith
Wasn’t sure if dk lost stam talent in the prune
blissful hound
but other specs have like random 10% stamina nodes
we also do tho
nocturne bluff
8% dr and 2% phys mitigation is worse than 5% stam??
sullen dove
tb is like more defensive in cooldowns but outside of cooldowns u dont hit tb that much
it prolly like evens out
smoky vale
read the second part of the stam node
smoky vale
gio is known ragebaiter and misinformation spreader
???
how is getting extra hp on demand bad
mint moat
in high target count in cooldowns clap/blast is basically spammed every other gl...
so TC>Ramp>BB assuming the TC gets you over 100 essentially.
sullen dove
prolly closer to that yea
mint moat
or are you just sending ramp regardless
quiet geyser
Its not bad, but passive DR is probably the best defensive stat you can get
sullen dove
wowhead should have aoe rotation thing thats more thorough than that
but yea you pmuch just hit those 3 buttons during cooldowns on mass aoe
mint moat
wowhead says BB>TC except at 2 charges
sullen dove
i think thats for single target
winter shoal
how is getting extra hp on demand bad
I have no horse in this race and it's not significant either way, just speaking in generalities
sullen dove
this is aoe in cds
dusty cove
A friend told me it's possible to leap across the stairs on sky reach, when there is the wind that pushes you back.
Is that true?
blissful hound
A friend told me it's possible to leap across the stairs on sky reach, when ther...
yes
dusty cove
I can't seem to aim it! Do I need to be at the top of the first set of stairs?
sullen dove
didnt exactly remember the exact method but think its like hugging the first corner on the right getting knocked up by wind and somewhere should be able to leap i think
dusty cove
Ah so I get knocked up by a tornado first?
winter shoal
gio is known ragebaiter and misinformation spreader
I should clarify for the record that this was in jest, gio is a known rage baiter but only rarely spreads misinformation
rare garnet
accused of rage baiting for having a different opinion, shame on yellow names hunting down differing opinions like this
blissful hound
We love gio for his ragebaits
rare garnet
#GioStrong
winter shoal
I would've said much meaner things about gio 3 days ago
smoky vale
what was 3 days ago
wary fjord
ah, yeah
winter shoal
You should maybe see a doctor about that
coarse nest
fringe vale
saw a vid of someone doin it sent here few days ago
I did it yesterday, it works
obtuse palm
10% from being enraged, 8% from TB, def stance with stance mastery is about 18%
5% from being enraged
blissful hound
5% from being enraged
Its 10 bud
smoky vale
warpaint is 10%
deft palm
BT > Execute right
obtuse palm
Huh, I thought they had changed it to 5% this expac
smoky vale
no its execute > bt
random shadow
BT > Execute right
Slayer its executed outside of cds
smoky vale
neither has bt in cds
deft palm
but with cds its Bloodbath > Exe
winter shoal
Correct
smoky vale
Correct
do you ever bt before execute with sudden death to get on cooldown since you have 10 sd to press?
south kayak
Never had it before
smoky vale
rip sorry to hear that box
young swan
-171 over 
spare flame
what a shite trinket
vast basalt
how the heck am i doing 27k dmg on cleave dummies with normal rotation, and if i use SBA i do around 55k??? what am i doing wrong?
undone flower
Most likely yes
sullen dove
how the heck am i doing 27k dmg on cleave dummies with normal rotation, and if i...
you hitting whirlwind or thunderclap ever?
vast basalt
i never press whirlwind but i do press thunderclap
sullen dove
ok if youre thane yes
vast basalt
yes thane
sullen dove
should be hitting thunderclap every 4-5 globals on aoe normally
minimally just to cleave your st damage on 5 targets
vast basalt
ok, thats one thing i need to improve
plush maple
this shit is -171dps over a 246 heart of wind on dungeon slice
Better than annoying shitty ”Use” items to deal X damage
vast basalt
ah now i see the problem, i think i had battle shout down 😅 because now i dealt around 75k dps
dense elbow
I dont think battleshout would make up that difference
dense elbow
27k to 75k is a lot of DPS for the AP to cower
vast basalt
yeah i might be trying to elude myself ahahaha
vast basalt
maybe i did something that altered dps values
sullen dove
o i mean there is a potential case of details being weird
sometimes it bugs out and shows me doing like... 5x less damage than normal or something
like first boss heroic for some reason mid fight it just like brought everyone down to like 20k dps
undone flower
Yeah like Alleria details reset after p1
dense elbow
my favorite is when it decides:
"You know what, you are doing 0.01 DPS" Myes. That sounds right
vast basalt
cant i track buff uptime on details anymore?
spare steppe
o i mean there is a potential case of details being weird
saw that for my first pull in a dungeon and then it fixed itself
spare steppe
cant i track buff uptime on details anymore?
no sir
latent gust
am i correct in understanding that fury slayer baasically lowest priority is raging blow
lean heart
Yeah like Alleria details reset after p1
its awesome
smoky vale
am i correct in understanding that fury slayer baasically lowest priority is rag...
rb > ww
but yes
smoky vale
wrecking rend rb ww
spare steppe
am i correct in understanding that fury slayer baasically lowest priority is rag...
no WW is worse in ST
rare helm
does it matter if weapon enchant is on mainhand or offhand?
smoky vale
you should have one on both
rare helm
but the effect is the same in each hand?
smoky vale
the hand which it is on does not affect the effect
rare helm
for example; berseker rage enchant should be on mainhand or it doesnt matter if its at offhand
vapid wasp
iirc, OH has a higher chance to miss, but I don't know how old that info is
digital mauve
Arms back?
vapid wasp
Arms back?
no, the buffs were nice, but our ST damage is still super super low
smoky vale
iirc, OH has a higher chance to miss, but I don't know how old that info is
i think thats some classic info
vapid wasp
i think thats some classic info
that'd make sense, it seems old af
smoky vale
in which that chance to miss was offset by heroic strike queuing
pastel bronze
anyone else dooming that fury is looking too good in heroic without 4pc and will crash and burn come mythic and people get 4pc?
and by that stage the tuning window will well and truly have passed
rigid stirrup
anyone else dooming that fury is looking too good in heroic without 4pc and will...
We're you here for heroic week last xpac?
You would've witnessed live murder
pulsar quest
Never forget how good I felt on brood in heroic
pastel bronze
yeah...
i was playing paladin, but we had a warrior who was not happy
i am now that warrior
i've seen this song and dance before
dapper goblet
another 3+ warrior tier
compact knot
another 3+ warrior tier
"another"
dapper goblet
👨🚀 🔫 👨🚀 always is
south kayak
Xeos just comes in here to talk about how each tier is a +3 warrior tier lol
tardy lark
2 warriors to keep the middle warrior on the bench warm 
compact knot
dw
i think im playing spriest dk this tier
poggers
so we can run pwar
since they just shot bear
tardy lark
With how aids alleria was as real melee in tempted to play dk as well
mossy fox
With how aids alleria was as real melee in tempted to play dk as well
dk is ridiculous man
smoky vale
critcake put on that big ahh shield
mossy fox
why is it a ranged spec
smoky vale
its been a ranged spec since df man
smoky vale
cluegi
dapper goblet
smoky vale
melees or living
critcake i think im gonna rewatch kimi no na wa
i need to feel something
tardy lark
it is so boring though
I enjoyed it far more than I did warrior in splits
But uh does feel like nothing really matters outside DT/army
pliant jackal
Just send it
grand orchid
They took my Hekili, what do
vapid wasp
They took my Hekili, what do
grand orchid
That works good?
vapid wasp
well enough imo
grand orchid
tryna raid
vapid wasp
that plus CDM and you should be set
grand orchid
okokok
edgy widget
Sorry, I had a very long day getting a new HVAC system put in, so go react to this and pretend it was 2hrs ago, kthx
#updates-midnight
rare garnet
is fury dead now
modest condor
yes
rare garnet
rip
echo rapids
is fury dead now
vapid wasp
is it? I thought it was doing pretty well?
echo rapids
Petition your raid leaders to make other specs run ST builds so you can pad
deft palm
forr my opener do i just do recklessness into rampage then bladestorm? I dont need to get my rage to 100?
smoky vale
you do charge reck ramp bs ramp of ramp
worn yoke
fury will still be ahead of arms i believe - unfortunately
cerulean junco
fury will still be ahead of arms i believe - unfortunately
fury is not ahead of arms
(on light blinded vanguard)
upbeat plume
problem is arms and fury have sort of different stat preferences, but looking at the teir set value spread sheet furys tier set is kind of beans compared to arms
so maybe after 4 sets are common arms might pull ahead, but who knows Ill leave that to our math overlords
bronze chasm
not sure if its been talked about already but you can reflect the dot on fallen king that the orb gives when it dies on heroic, get 2 ticks of 46k~ per SR
compact knot
wait thats good
hybrid yew
so for thane in M+ when do we use thunderclap? only when it's proccing?
worn yoke
not sure if its been talked about already but you can reflect the dot on fallen ...
W comms. does it actually deal spell reflected damage or just negate the damage dealt.
hybrid yew
even on single target bosses spam it on cd?
olive wraith
That’s when you would follow st prio
bronze chasm
W comms. does it actually deal spell reflected damage or just negate the damage ...
it does damage, you dont need to cast it before it gets applied either just reflects ticks - log for reference
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mfy4RtYxAkWdXpav?fight=11&type=damage-done&source=122&ability=23920
tested it myself in a pug just then as well
olive wraith
So no
worn yoke
it does damage, you dont need to cast it before it gets applied either just refl...
interesting, almost looks unintended lets see if it changes. 1-2k dps over the course of that fight is decent gains for free
deft lichen
I know there are worse problems to have, but I have looted three trinkets this evening. "Fiber of Living Agony (246)", "Sealed Chaos Urn (250)", and "Glorious Crusader's Keepsake (250)"
I figure the last is a PvP trink, but the others seem pretty solid. Just dont see them on the trink tier list. Do these seem viable still?
eager thorn
fiber seems okay but still prob wanna replace them with m+ trinks
vapid wasp
fiber seems okay but still prob wanna replace them with m+ trinks
I got a Hero Level fiber, I'm not gonna be able to replace it forever lol -_-
cedar tusk
i wonder with the latest changes, fury or arms for raiding will be stronger 🤔
fading bane
its 1. on both
brittle crow
tribal lantern
ok
deft lichen
I thought you wanted to stack your avatar and reck with a charge? Is that old news?
inland flame
Just checking my understanding - Puzzy B is underperforming in sims because the API is having us pop it after cooldowns?
tribal lantern
dont ask what aotc it is
I didn't mean ok for you btw
lol
I g uess fury rotation doesn't really matter as long as you dont' rage cap right
smoky vale
it does
winter shoal
why does Odyn's first over CD's
I think it's more or less equal to do it before or after cds, so archi just simplified by always having it first
tribal lantern
I think it's more or less equal to do it before or after cds, so archi just simp...
ok got it
feral ivy
catalyst every week or 2 weeks?
fading bane
2
feral ivy
how many do we have? just 1 right?
fading bane
Just 1
feral ivy
kk good
feral ivy
ahh yeaaa i forgot about that
valid vigil
whats the general idea of holding cds like reck and BS in the raid, is it very bad holding them for 30-45 seconds to wait for the adds to spawn or is it better to use on cd?
soft whale
sullen dove
that goes so crazy lol
did myth droptimizer and end boss max ilvl mythic weapon with 276 offhand is worse than what i have now
cuz pot of recklessness gives haste if i use that
w shih
rare garnet
cuz pot of recklessness gives haste if i use that
sim with stat pot ez
sullen dove
yea
rare garnet
reck pot hard making sims weird, dont like it
sullen dove
maybe for the purposes of like correct/ethical droptimizers sims maybe it is actually the play to just sim with lights pot
cuz secondaries swinging like crazy will just make half of the gear terrible for you
rare garnet
thats what ive been doing, then things should get close enough that gems, enchants, and flask can make reck bis again
echo rapids
Makes sense, a minor stat change could tip the reck pot to haste and make the gear look shit
rare garnet
until ive got enough drops from m+ organic that i can just sim all the combos
and reck and stat pots so close, eh, sall good
brittle crow
does anyone have the def stance addon
ive been in def stance all fuckin raid night
and im gonna kms
flat river
ive been in def stance all fuckin raid night
💀
summer quail
wtff bowl yellow as well now???
sullen dove
bowwl did sum with that on wago that i need to know how to dl
sullen dove
cuz its weakaura without a weakaura nad its frightening
if its not on curseforge its not real ‼️
(but this may be real)
sullen dove
what the frigma
winter shoal
cuz its weakaura without a weakaura nad its frightening
it's not a weakaura, it's an addon
sullen dove
but on wago
undone flower
ive been in def stance all fuckin raid night
dw i did the entire normal raid with a 1 hand off hand on my second war
winter shoal
sullen dove
weak aura global offensive
brittle crow
dw i did the entire normal raid with a 1 hand off hand on my second war
did u parse
undone flower
blue
winter shoal
You just go to releases > download > extract zip in your interface/addons folder innit
echo rapids
https://addons.wago.io/addons/defensive-stance-reminder
Bowl how do I get rid of the text and just have the icon?
I can’t figure out the command
winter shoal
Bowl how do I get rid of the text and just have the icon?
/dsr text false will hide the reminder text (default true)
echo rapids
Dope thanks
winter shoal
There's like 10 lines of documentation and you missed the one that had the answer
smh
echo rapids
I figured out the number x y thing
echo rapids
There's like 10 lines of documentation and you missed the one that had the answe...
I actually couldn’t refind it on wagio for some reason and figured out /dsr
winter shoal
edit mode moveable perchance
no
winter shoal
swordish attempts to read the 10 lines of documentation as well challenge
sullen dove
winter shoal
You can reposition it, just not in edit mode
sullen dove
ye
echo rapids
Look if I wanted to read I’d be in a different class
sullen dove
damn this is like supremely chad
it just remembers where you put it like forever huh
winter shoal
Probably? Idr
rare garnet
i mean, thats what most addons do yeah? just, instead of having a UI to adjust it you use DOS commands
winter shoal
I think it saves it to the addon db
Yeah it does
So if you delete your .wtf folder I think it'll reset back to defaults
odd crater
Like, how much DPS does "10 attack power" give lol
sullen dove
and it remembers on alt warr too big
rare garnet
about tree fiddy
untold heart
not as much as the oil
random shadow
how much crest do 9-10+ give again
odd crater
Ugh, simming for myself, my kyptonite
random shadow
im trying to plan my keying before raid
sullen dove
idk if its known since myths starting from +9 kinda newer
winter shoal
But that could be fake news
sullen dove
thats what it was in tww
undone flower
it is fake news
sullen dove
but the myth tooltip currently says myths start at 9
undone flower
myth crests are 9s+
rare garnet
need to grind 10s for the 3/6 hero gear
sullen dove
so whether it starts at 14 crests, or starts at 10 which it better not
either 10 or 14 surely
smoky vale
why did the graphic explode
winter shoal
Probably 10 then if +9 is the first level to drop them
sullen dove
yea but +14s for 20?
winter shoal
why did the graphic explode
So I don't spread misinformation on accident
sullen dove
that sounds crazy
random shadow
dont have rank 4
winter shoal
Imagine having alts
undone flower
i have rank 4 
winter shoal
and imagine doing a bunch of delves on your alts
sullen dove
random shadow
only have 1 alt at 90
rare garnet
imagine doing delves after week 1
random shadow
isnt it 4 alts at 4 bountiful delves or wahtever
rare garnet
crazy
undone flower
isnt it 4 alts at 4 bountiful delves or wahtever
it's just do bountiful delves on whatever char, they reset daily
random shadow
it's just do bountiful delves on whatever char, they reset daily
better at higher tier no?
im at rank 2 1415 xp so idk if i have enough time before reset
sullen dove
doubtful
youd have to have been farmin em past couple days probably
multiple characters help
undone flower
massive doubt the 4 current bountiful delves will be enough
sullen dove
yknow i can kind of stand these delves a little better
random shadow
ima just cope that its not 10 crests per 9
sullen dove
with brann not screaming in my ear
rare garnet
yeah fk brann
sullen dove
valeera is just as much of a yapper but at least she doesnt sound like a cheese grater on your skin
undone flower
yknow i can kind of stand these delves a little better
the mirrors delve
sullen dove
yea that ones bit annoying
valeera is just kinda op tho
tanks well in t11 as dps or if you have tank spec put her on dps and she 1shots everything
undone flower
mine is lvl 47 i think, she solo the delve yep
random shadow
how much xp is per bountiful deleve tho
like i do have 80s, can just do them quickly, but if its vastly more at higher tier then its debatable
brittle crow
this def stance addon is goated
mental nexus
this def stance addon is goated
shii which one?
sullen dove
this what a guildie said
sounds right enough
keys are more rep but delves themselves still give some
i didnt bother to math it like that but psure thats what i was seeing
and i dont think level matters? if not mistaken
random shadow
yeah therees no shot im getting near rank 4 lmao
i guess ill just have to do 5 9s if theyre at 10 crests each 
undone flower
well from soredih friend just doing the 4 bountiful will give you 350x 4
winter shoal
How fast can you get a coffer key
compact knot
i get to play fury on aleeria now
undone flower
you don't need a key to do a bountiful delve no ?
random shadow
have 1 key left, rather just save it for my bountiful map
winter shoal
I think my play is going to be coffer key -> bountiful t11 for the cracked keystone -> M+ spam and pray I have enough crests before raid
inner zinc
I kinda wish they would've fixed the whole TC doing more dmg than TB with the M+ tuning pass >.>
compact knot
i think i go slayer
winter shoal
you don't need a key to do a bountiful delve no ?
You don't, but I believe you do to get the cracked keystone
winter shoal
i think i go slayer
Slayer full single target with ER 
cobalt yacht
Is there any reason to not use hero crests to craft my 2h this week?
winter shoal
add damage is not real on that fight
random shadow
can i summon the nememis during my delve and get the map before the final boss?
undone flower
You don't, but I believe you do to get the cracked keystone
cracked keystone is the map ?
random shadow
since i do need another map tomorrow
compact knot
Slayer full single target with ER <:YEP:1068162312650883142>
nah i dont think i need ER
undone flower
i don't remember every delve things
sullen dove
i dont think another map will drop
winter shoal
Is there any reason to not use hero crests to craft my 2h this week?
Yes it's a waste of 80 crests, you'll recraft with myth crests in 1-2 days
sullen dove
if you already used one this week
brittle crow
dragons do so much fucking damage wtf
sullen dove
yea you use the summoning thing to geta map
undone flower
if you already used one this week
maps are weekly if i remember
random shadow
does it drop after beating the nemis or whatever
sullen dove
or just hero or something
winter shoal
cracked keystone is the map ?
No it's a quest item, gives 20 each of hero and myth crests
sullen dove
it didnt this week but maybe on purpose
winter shoal
undone flower
oh that's the one that ask you to do an m+
sullen dove
beta
winter shoal
I don't have it
random shadow
excuse me whats this
sullen dove
same quest youve gotten last like 2-3 seasons
random shadow
ah right
winter shoal
I didn't do it last 2-3 seasons
random shadow
winter shoal
oyea i dont think i used a key on a t11 is that it?
According to WH comments yes
sullen dove
yes
random shadow
kll final boss with map ez pz hero
winter shoal
Not the beacon, this is the cracked keystone
random shadow
ik that, im talking abotu beacon itself
winter shoal
random shadow
my original question was about killing the nemesis then getting map before getting to final boss
for the hero piece
sullen dove
yea thats what you do
random shadow
could do all of this in a t11
sullen dove
and if you have guildies can do together to share 1 beacon with multiple ppl
random shadow
that sounds annoying on a t11
random shadow
anyhow, is the quest for 20 myth just to do a +2?
sullen dove
yea any keystone i believe
sullen dove
aw man its doing this shit again
why does valeera always go fuckin nuts on new characters in a delve
feel like you arent able to pick these until a daily reset or somethin
she has like no abilities
does nothing when she's like this
ok reddit tip came in clutch
some weird shit of log on other char check delvers journey log back
shes normal now
lethal quiver
would be fun if we had a build, even with lower damage, with weapon and shield x.x
sadly we cant rampage with a shield in hand
random shadow
would be fun if we had a build, even with lower damage, with weapon and shield x...
so prot warrior? lol
random shadow
so prot warrior lol, they do deeps this season
tribal lantern
I love the instant queues with prot
I make a group as prot, then switch to fury when the gorup is formed
no wait times
modest condor
devastating
sullen dove
my entire plan for tomorrow in shambles
random shadow
i did infact not receive a cracked keystone from keying a t11 delve
i think youre suppose to tho, maybe its some bug or wahtever, and we'll get it tomorrow
think some random battle.net friend of mine got one, im having him check after his delve
sullen dove
yea i mean might just be lil bug
but w/e
i should park my guy outside of a delve actually thats the real strat
random shadow
lmao straight into delves fuck the vault
sullen dove
dont want to do shadow enclave cuz that ones cringe and long
so the 3 others should be good
random shadow
gotta see whats the bountiful delve tomorwo anyways
sullen dove
grudge pit harandar shadowpoint voidstone and i think the lever one in ZA
decently fast
just the opposite of what they are now i would assume
psure they been swapping back and forth every day in each zone
random shadow
let me cope its gonna be calamity agian
deft palm
Wait do we got MT on Chimareus
sullen dove
thane is fine if you wanna kill adds more
or slayer for killing boss more
but either pretty perfectly viable
ah man do i do one more windrunner on my lock to try for trink..
been like 5 days..
ig its only 10pm
sullen dove
well dragon for sure of course on that fight
theres like 10 sets of 30 adds
thane destroys that
chimerus is a lot less of that
winter shoal
i should park my guy outside of a delve actually thats the real strat
probably want to get a coffer key first, no?
sullen dove
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
ill get one from something else probably
have to do 3 delves anyway
random prey can pick 125 shards as reward
i do still have the 200 extra frags i never claimed on anyone
worth the 5 minute timesave? idkkk....
sullen dove
yeap
if the bs lines up slayer feels 8x better
but thats like a 1 out of every 10 p1's you get that
roll the dice cluegi
mats prepared
random shadow
mats prepared
mats prepared, the copium and hopium that its not 10 crests at 9's has been started
random shadow
right youre rank 4
sullen dove
yea
random shadow
assuming the cracked stone, ill be at 50, so thatll be assuming 10 per 9 about 3 9s
sullen dove
but now im big and powerful before even getting into m+ ergo the m+ will be faster and better ergo more m+ ergo more item level before raid ergo more parse
true
sullen dove
guild moment...
random shadow
hm
stiff carbon
which is tankier, slayer or thane?
stiff carbon
ok, definitely having a harder time as slayer on delve boss
sullen dove
mostly between 5% more stam + beefier IV or 8% dmg reduction
yea you should just be thane
for killing adds too
also talent enrage regen
and make sure you got healer valeera im assuming
it helps if youre able to keep her healing ball buff thing at 4 stacks tho not incredibly necessary ig
nimble kraken
What are people pulling mountain thane for first boss in raid? I used to parse 80+ last season but I'm total dog this season, not sure what shifted
sly radish
I know this has probably been discussed a million times but overall is slayer or mt better for both raids or just depends on the boss? I love the feel of mountain thane
sullen dove
thane is overall better for everything
pastel bronze
when do i pop cds?
top logs had it at 18 seconds in, which gives you avatar (not reck) up for first add set
sullen dove
slayer wins on a few bosses but not by a lot
sullen dove
What are people pulling mountain thane for first boss in raid? I used to parse 8...
u wanna pop cds on pull then save for every add set after that
and explode adds
deft palm
top logs had it at 18 seconds in, which gives you avatar (not reck) up for first...
should i not have them macro'd?
sullen dove
you should
and thats like an arbitraryish timeframe but anywhere from that 18s to about 25s into the fight is probably fine to pop cds just make sure you have thunder blast/odyn saved for adds
deft palm
ok
sullen dove
can also pot at around 10seconds in to still have it up for pretty much full lust value as well as bleed into adds/all your cds
sly radish
Man I just hate using bladestorm
sullen dove
sly radish
Used to be such a fun spell. Feels like shit nowadays
feral ivy
damn i need my WA back already... i keep forgetting im in def form
sullen dove
https://addons.wago.io/addons/defensive-stance-reminder
@feral ivy
aw man once i upgrade weapon it wants me to drop acuity enchants... say it aint so...
guess hit the threshold gg
prolly still wont for a bit
rare garnet
rip
sullen dove
double haste too that seemsk inda weird no
or wait i think im simming lights potential still
pastel bronze
should i not have them macro'd?
what i meant is that reck will have expired but avatar will still be up
which is the vast majority of where the tclap damage comes from
sullen dove
dam double berserk still better by but alot less this is good
rare garnet
they made crit great again
sullen dove
still dont know what this enchant does
whether crit effectiveness means crit rate or crit dam
mfs think we playin a gacha out here
rare garnet
i would assume crit damage
elder parcel
if my bloodthirst is (for example) .5 seconds away from coming up should I use another ability or should I wait for bloodthirst to come up
woven valley
whether crit effectiveness means crit rate or crit dam
that wording usually means crit damage
like the meta gem from tww
sullen dove
yea
woven valley
❤️
currently on heroic crown and this fight hurts
having no gear is part of that lol
sullen dove
it do be a painful one
woven valley
i got the puddle drop and an obelisk at once. and as i leaped the obelisk got weird
sullen dove
if you have any idea of what your groups dps is lookin if its good or not might be worth to take the bit of dmg loss for ER
woven valley
and then i died lol
sullen dove
yea...
woven valley
only like 400ish guilds have killed this so this is ahead of where we usually are
kill wise
so im happy even if we dont down it this week
next week will be easy with key gear
sullen dove
truth
random shadow
truth
is map chance almost or 100% off nememis with the beacon or is it still decent rng?
sullen dove
should be 100
i think its 100 if nemesis spawns period
its just the spawn itself is random
if you dont beacon
sudden tusk
100% if you havent gotten a map this week
random shadow
tomorrow i mean
sullen dove
think map can also just randomly come from end of delve chest
undone flower
(this ain't my face)
https://www.twitch.tv/shidoni/clip/AgreeableAbnegateMoosePunchTrees-gpFbUXgEfodcvuV5
random shadow
(this ain't my face)
https://www.twitch.tv/shidoni/clip/AgreeableAbnegateMoosePu...
sure it isnt
scarlet sentinel
Before vault tomorrow, I gotta confirm. With changes can 1h weapons no longer show in fury spec anymore like dungeon loot tables???
Should I still open as arms JUST in case????
brittle crow
ur safe to open as fury
icy whale
do i do this?
young swan
no
complete waste of crests
you will craft a mythic weapon come tomorrow/wednesday and u will uprade that for free
icy whale
i used my 4 sparks for 259 craft
granite elbow
We mythic upgrade it right
young swan
with myth crests
icy whale
ooooh right
spare steppe
do i do this?
Nope
scarlet sentinel
ur safe to open as fury
Ty
spare steppe
What are folks hoping to see from vault besides tier?
young swan
gaze of the alnseer
scarlet sentinel
Not a socket
young swan
the alleria neck
spare steppe
gaze of the alnseer
I thought the simming was wrong for it?
granite elbow
with myth crests
Do we know how many myth crests it will take?
granite elbow
Cool ty boss
young swan
I thought the simming was wrong for it?
lemme get back to you
icy whale
how hard will it be to get 80 mythic crests?
thorny cove
how many total sparks will we have next?
young swan
if you did ?? nullaeus this week + heroic alleria you should have 45 myth crests rn
young swan
how many total sparks will we have next?
5
young swan
weapon was craftable this week
quiet geyser
if you did ?? nullaeus this week + heroic alleria you should have 45 myth crests...
wheres the other 5 from?
undone flower
no alleria 
quiet geyser
heroic alleria was only 10
quiet geyser
LOL WHAT
young swan
it doesnt really matter cause it counts towards seasonal cap
undone flower
11 bountiful delves gives 5 up to 20
quiet geyser
over under his body is still there :<
undone flower
if rank 4
thorny cove
at least I got the unemployed title https://i.imgur.com/UTKcYUK.png
icy whale
can someone link me a guide how to make the 259 crafted weapon mythic?
thorny cove
you can do a crafting order
icy whale
ohh okay i got it, i didnt see the button at the top at the order npc
young swan
at least I got the unemployed title https://i.imgur.com/UTKcYUK.png
same 
lilac temple
I dont really understand this. what does Rampaging Ruin do?
upbeat cedar
while you have whirlwind stacks, it turns your rampage into an aoe ability
young swan
I dont really understand this. what does Rampaging Ruin do?
cuts rampage damage in half when you have whirlwind stacks
but it cleaves past 5 targets
its very bad you would be wise to never use it
young swan
feel like its fine considering u did splits
compact knot
i have no rings
icy whale
is this ethical
its not
pliant jackal
feel like its fine considering u did splits
icy whale
i only have normal legs ;( but congrats
young swan
does this raid have rings or
nah
compact knot
might just be a spam nexus point angle
compact knot
ye
thorny cove
https://i.imgur.com/tB10334.jpeg not that geared but #7 in shuffle
