fury

[remote bobcat]

idk 2set from last season was actually insanely cool

[south kayak]

They can easily buff the tier by buffing Rampage and OF in it

[hollow leaf]

they complained about how fury could kill rashanan adds in 3 globals and then made enha able to kill them in 1

[south kayak]

Real

[undone flower]

all war sets are always boring, except this one this one and this one

[heavy galleon]

S3 TWW was cool

[remote bobcat]

the point is that if you want to say that our sets are usually boring sure go ahead, but we've definitely had banger sets

[south kayak]

More than half of all tier sets are boring

[heavy galleon]

I don't like tier set tbh, was better when we delete it

[south kayak]

Great tier sets are the exception

[undone flower]

Thats very far from all tier sets

Only sith deals in absolute

[south kayak]

True

[south kayak]

Nah I think it's fine

[wise canyon]

is the trinket from....the voidstorm that bad?

[south kayak]

Tier set acquisition is not bad anymore

[coarse nest]

I don’t think it sims correctly

[remote bobcat]

what

[south kayak]

It was horrible before cata

Catalyst

[wise canyon]

crucible

thjat thing

[remote bobcat]

oh the renown trinket

[spare steppe]

It’s fantastic

[coarse nest]

Last I heard anything about it, it was not simming correctly but this is probably outdated by now

[spare steppe]

It’s better than all heroic dungeon trinkets besides the solar flare

[coarse nest]

Yes ^

[spare steppe]

Though in ST you have the banner and aoe you have latch that are good, they’re terrible in the reverse

[south kayak]

Are there some mega strong trinkets

[spare steppe]

And puzzle box is good in aoe but screw that garbage

[coarse nest]

Real

[random shadow]

Box would be good if you could move while casting

[coarse nest]

Not farming box that’s for sure

[spare steppe]

Vessel also is sim bait too

[random shadow]

I'll probably still farm it for keys

[south kayak]

I can move while casting

[random shadow]

Ain't using it in raid

[random shadow]

You can probably cna. But puzzle box doesn't

[spare steppe]

Like how did they make a trinket just like antennae but worse

[coarse nest]

I will just do slightly less damage in dungeons versus casting a fkn puzzle box

Ain’t no way

[digital mauve]

What's the best trinket besides box to farm in m0?

[echo rapids]

Has anyone with 4 piece gotten any random catalyst charges?

[coarse nest]

Solar flare

[spare steppe]

Solarlfare

Go with that over puzzle box

[digital mauve]

Wod dungeon?

[spare steppe]

Skyreach

[digital mauve]

Yes ty

[coarse nest]

Yes Maddox said yesterday he’s gotten 3 extra charges since acquiring 4pc

[spare steppe]

Just go solarflare and Coee until you get a heroic raid trinket

And then be happy

[echo rapids]

Wow nice

[spare steppe]

No trinkets to press, use in aoe, st, and any spec

[south kayak]

What's solar flare

[coarse nest]

Banner/Solarflare gang

[spare steppe]

It’s the skyreach tribket that gives crit and additional crit based on % health

[south kayak]

What does it do

[echo rapids]

Only 1 person in guild with 4 piece and they haven’t gotten any charges in delves or m0 yet

[spare steppe]

Banner is so bad in AOE though

[coarse nest]

That’s ok some prio boss damage is good too

[robust onyx]

When do we prepot on opener?

[coarse nest]

Before Bladestorm

[south kayak]

Before using CDs

[coarse nest]

With reck basically

[spare steppe]

True, definitely worth considering. I’ll still coee before it though, I like my mini crit lust

[remote bobcat]

we dont "pre" anyhting. you pot with reck

[echo rapids]

You can use a macro that will cast reck, use trinkets, racial and pot

[south kayak]

Yeah they got rid of pre potting a long time ago

[spare steppe]

Thank god

[coarse nest]

I’m slept apparently what is coee

[south kayak]

Convention of elements

[robust onyx]

So on thane its charge>prepot>OF>reckavatar?

[coarse nest]

🤔

What dungeon

[echo rapids]

Its charge and use all that at once

[slate light]

guys how does this breakdown look like. 5 min 5 target dummy

[south kayak]

I don't know what it is, I just said the name of a legendary item in Diablo 3 lol

[remote bobcat]

charge into odyns + cds into tblast in aoe

[coarse nest]

Charge > reck+ava> pot+OF

[remote bobcat]

Potion (stop saying prepot) is used with cds

[echo rapids]

You can compare it to sim breakdown

[south kayak]

Auto attacks need to be buffed NGL

[echo rapids]

And see how your damage breakdown looks

[undone flower]

I don’t remember which expansion they removed prepotting

Sl ?

[south kayak]

I think SL

Or bfa

[coarse nest]

I think technically an extra global of BBor Rampage is worth more than OF inside avatar/reck window

But ehh

Odyns inside cd window feels right

[echo rapids]

Looking at the top logs, odyns seems to be sent with some variation

[coarse nest]

Yeah very likely just old habits die hard situation

[spare steppe]

Crucible of erratic energies it’s the rep trinket

[south kayak]

"energetic energies"

[sullen dove]

with 4set think it pmuch exactly lines up with odyn in cd > odyn on cd > 3rd odyns lines with cds

[south kayak]

Who named this item

Ffs

[spare steppe]

I had the wrong name

Pls forgive

[coarse nest]

OH that’s why I expect to replace that asap non heroic item

[spare steppe]

It’s good though!

Even though it’s only champ

[coarse nest]

It do be good

[delicate rock]

is there a way to farm mythtrack crests this id? Just killed ?? and now i am wondering

[robust onyx]

/cast Odyn's Fury
/cast Recklessness
/cast Avatar
/use item:241308
/use item:241309
is g?

[coarse nest]

Yeah level 12 characters to 90 and do all 8 bountiful delves on each of them then run T11

Aka fck that nonsense

[undone flower]

2100 PvP

[delicate rock]

my mental is pretty stable, not doing pvp

[undone flower]

Just to inform a way to farm myth crests

[delicate rock]

so there is no pve way to farm 100/100 this id

[coarse nest]

🤝

Just cap tomorrow when keys open up you’ll be good to go

[delicate rock]

yy, i am just bored

[undone flower]

Cap tomorrow with keys and still go for that 2100 rating

[delicate rock]

[echo rapids]

Might as well have odyns fury last so it gets all the buffs

[coarse nest]

Oh interesting I never thought to put the item id of the regular pot and fleeting pot

[sullen dove]

youd prolly want odyns on a separate bind but rest sure

[coarse nest]

Should really have separate pot and odyns bind

[south kayak]

Fun fact: Stormstrike (the ability) is just physical damage. Not nature and physical like TB.

[sullen dove]

think names should be fine for pots too

[coarse nest]

Oh yeah sordish common W

[robust onyx]

yeah will do that to enable padding zugzug

[delicate rock]

motherf ...

[echo rapids]

I mean you might not actually want to odyns at same time

[sullen dove]

and if u have the hotbar space potion separately is like a little more agency in when u wanna use it but if dont wanna bother thinkin about it probably good enough

like there may be a time you want to hold pot for example for alleria p3

[south kayak]

Therefore Thane > Enha

[sullen dove]

and if u hit that macro you might use pot when you dont want to

[echo rapids]

Like first boss you might want to hit cooldowns as adds spawn but wait for more adds to hit odyns

[undone flower]

Flamestrike doesn’t do flamestrike dmg

[south kayak]

That is true indeed

[sullen dove]

realge

[delicate rock]

[south kayak]

It doesn't make sense for mage to do fire and physical damage anyway lol

It should be called something else

[robust onyx]

yeah will adjust it for diff fights

[south kayak]

Flamesurge

[coarse nest]

Pretty much exclusively hold OF for adds

Unless the adds are greater than 45 seconds away

[undone flower]

Brew is not a 4p haver

[sullen dove]

or like 25s away with 4set

[blissful hound]

Odyns go brrr

[coarse nest]

https://tenor.com/view/loony-tunes-cat-stairs-melt-gif-16060363

[blissful hound]

I actually like the 4set

[coarse nest]

Soon Tm

[undone flower]

Surely tier in vault

[coarse nest]

Fkn hands dropped which woulda been 4 set this week but nah it’s my off piece

Made sense can’t complain

Vault W for sure

Watch

[south kayak]

Same

[undone flower]

I hang out in casual guilds discords and I witnessed that so many times

[coarse nest]

Efficiency gearing can’t hate on that

[calm dock]

if you get the gloves from seat of the triumvirate is it worth it taking stance master for the faster auto attacks?

[slate light]

i got 2 set from raid on wednesday, but couldn't hit 1600 for 4 set 🙁 never pvp-ed before but i tried my luck

after i got 1570 i went straight to 1400 rip

[odd crater]

Inversely I hit 1600 but didn’t get a single tier piece!

Wanna trade?

[sullen dove]

i somehow doubt those 2 will interact like that and even still the gloves do like 3 damage

but you could prolly sim both talent builds if u want to see the diff

[ember apex]

alright im back

what's the best thing we can get in the vault if we have 1p and 2x 250 weps. ive got 2 heroic slots heading into tomorrow

[sullen dove]

idk if anythings worth taking other than maybe heroic chim trink since everyone and their dog wants it

but usually most ethical long term pick is just socket id think

since heroic loot kinda outclassed by m+ almost immediately

[native wadi]

Trinkets > all

[modest wave]

willing alnseer into existence in my vault tomorrow

[young swan]

i think tier > trinket

u want 4pc asap

so u can get catalyst charges

[sullen dove]

i mean you just get tier by playing i would hope/think but yea maybe..

[young swan]

but you dont take anything until after your reclear anyways

[native wadi]

Trinket bis should be above tier

If you dont get tier you will get it next week

[sullen dove]

i mean i think a giga bis trink that is high contention yea

i wouldnt take heroic vorasius trink

alot less ppl want it

and you are way more liable to get it on mythic way sooner

but alnseer prolly alot rarer

[native wadi]

Yeah and myth should be there next week

I meant chim

[sullen dove]

myth chim should be a good bit harder than vorasius

but who knows ig

[native wadi]

Even if its easier

[young swan]

im pretty sure if i see alnseer and tier slot in my vault i wait until officers tell me what to take

[sullen dove]

well yea

[native wadi]

You need to do suki suki to officers to get it

[young swan]

is kinda my point

[native wadi]

Everyone wants it

Hahaahagaga

[sullen dove]

are passive charges every other week still

[young swan]

like just getting alnseer in vault isnt enough

i think

[sullen dove]

like u dont get 1 tomorrow

[prime nymph]

Hey lads. Currently playin' fury, i'm kinda looking around to find an alt which is similar gameplay wise to fury warrs, any suggestions ?

[young swan]

heard enhance shaman is pretty close

[sullen dove]

rogue maybe

idk if outlaw is bad tho

or that

[young swan]

outlaw also pretty close

[native wadi]

Mi prio woudl be trinket chim > tier > gloves > top myself

[sullen dove]

what gloves

the like 2 damage seat ones

[prime nymph]

Aight thanks, will look at those !

[native wadi]

Yeah farmable actually

[modest wave]

Im taking trink and not fighting 14 people for it weekly

but thats me

[native wadi]

Myth gloves* unobtainable so topping myself is higher up

[calm dock]

ok maybe im dumb but in the nullaus fight what do you do if the void spawns under the ravagers? like if i go to the middle its gonna take so long for them to come to me the intermission is halfway over

[ember apex]

alnseer drops of the garden dragon right?

[young swan]

i just popped ER and stood in it

[sullen dove]

they should just kinda follow you..

and yea purple doesnt hurt too bad

but idk can preplan for it and keep them on like the edge of where it would be

instead of the dead middle of each slice of the room

so can easily go left or right and they are alot further out from where the puddle spawns

ok im gonna lvl another character to get a friend to 90 are we thinking hunter or third warrior

[ember apex]

third warrior (just in case)

[sullen dove]

tru

does make sales easier when i know how to game on the class

[obtuse estuary]

why does method guide writer disagree with archi regarding wep enchants? one says strenght the other secondary stats

[sullen dove]

secondaries might become better at like supreme max ilvl when we have as much strength as we can possibly get i think is the deal there

[ember apex]

just sim wep enchants

[sullen dove]

but thats just kinda simming as you go along but psure for the forseeable future strength is just better

but also yea you can do that too

[modest condor]

method guide writer is currently in the middle of rwf, totally possible they went off of early information and havent had a chance to change it

[sullen dove]

they not 40k each now

[obtuse estuary]

thats what i thought

[obtuse estuary]

yeah but always is annoying, turns out simmed and method was correct

[sullen dove]

if method is the primary stat one it does sound more correct think almost always acuity wins out at this low ilvl

but ye whichever is cheapest is the real meta

[ember apex]

what im saying is that for you - at some point in the future - that result might not always be true

[sullen dove]

ya

[sudden tusk]

das why wowhead is updated regularly with information #ad

[open mountain]

is the cancel whirlwind macro for single target dps gain is still a thing ? 🙂

[cobalt relic]

i have autism.gg

[sour thorn]

Got a catalyst charge from a bountiful. Gg bliz 😊

[native wadi]

Is there info on how that works?

[left inlet]

is there that big of a difference between thane and slayer? Like slayer feels it's doing more DPS but it like feels really weird to play compared to thane. for arms obviously colossus is better choice and thane for prot

[robust onyx]

why do we OF before CDs?

[native wadi]

Going to lfr with two raids today to farm tiers

So ppl can get catalyst

But if you made 4/4 this week you get unlimited charges from now????

[modest condor]

it's a thing if you like to play terrible talents

aka no, because the only reason you would use it isnt played

[mild thunder]

Slayer has a bit more ST from my experience, and comparing a bunch of logs on the same bosses for it.

[left inlet]

gotcha, only gripe I have with it is reap the storm, like IDK why but it feels really distracting

[mild thunder]

You don't think about it, since it's just a proc.

[open mountain]

thanks, this is true.. was only for rampaging ruins.. 🙂

[sullen dove]

get 4pc then you just get cata charges randomly from doing content

ive only gotten 1 so far on warrior since making 4pc like thursday/friday but also havent actually done all that much so probably part of it

think the only one i got was off halleria actually

so im sure youll get a ton from raid/m+

supposedly a pvp blitz gamemode thing gave a decent bit but idk dont rly need to farm em anyway

[random shadow]

i want my 4 piece man

only got 1 piece from all the raid bosses smh

[frank dawn]

really jonesing for that 2% damage increase eh

[random shadow]

4p is 4.5 but id like to get the unlimited cata for when pushing m+ and farming

that and i dont have to deal with guild rolling for tier and items crap

[vivid pollen]

what is the % increase for other classes typically?

[young swan]

its 4.5 from 0->4

not from 2->4

[random shadow]

ik, thats why i said 4p is 4.5, i shouldve said from 0 tho

but again my statement from before that said i had 1 piece

[supple glen]

is the sim just straight patchwerk? so if puzzlebox sims slightly worse on patch, it should be way better when aligned with like adds?

[young swan]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vR2mvnqtoXNlUoL-WvrwYdXfzAVULMSx82oKrGCj4z6XhEabUl8EtqoFLnAD4q4bNUTgE8tVP0-oJ9W/pubhtml#gid=1489780415

[vivid pollen]

❤️

[random shadow]

hmm bear is still a 14% increase from 0 to 4p

[vivid pollen]

sheesh 11% for arms

[random shadow]

slayer arms no less

[sullen dove]

oh so tank valeera gets 1shot by nullaeus

gg

[young swan]

thats good

[sullen dove]

not good for my evoker

[random shadow]

is this surprising

[sullen dove]

no but thought shed live longer than like 5 seconds to even give a chance to heal

she spawned like 3 of her ghosts that heal her for 24% each instantly i think

so maybe theres meant to be a way

but uh...

[mossy fox]

idk tank valeera prolly means he's able to cast imploding strike on her

[sullen dove]

yea i mean would cross that bridge when we got there but she actually just got folded by melees

fury warrior doesnt die that fast

when she tanks regular t11's so well

[smoky vale]

do you need a big shield to carry you

[sullen dove]

jim carey

[smoky vale]

was misinput

[low folio]

i wouldnt be suprised if tank valeera is just squishier than healer valeera

[spring pumice]

How far away is Slayer from Thane?

[sullen dove]

in aoe a lot

[random shadow]

ST slayer is a little bit ahead, AOE is behind alot

[limpid tide]

In raid you play both in m+/AOE it’s thane

[supple glen]

do other classes also have to change half their spec for aoe

[smoky vale]

arms

[sullen dove]

usually they change spec talents and not hero talents as much (sample size of 2 other specs i play)

but yea fury barely swaps anything other than slayer to thane

arms swapping 8 talents gg

[supple glen]

damn

at least arms good on vanguard

[sullen dove]

true

[random shadow]

arms loose so much ST damage due to talent switching too

its such a meme

[supple glen]

made me think about prepping arms for that

but im very new, can barely play fuwy

[steady snow]

arms can either spec into shit st or decent aoe

[random shadow]

arms feels a lot better, arms feels good in aoe dungeons tho

[compact knot]

the aoe is pretty good

unironically highest in game maybe

which is unhealthy

[supple glen]

ja fury so far isnt bad

but also not great

idk

none of the buttons feel good

its wahtever but also not bad

[random shadow]

fury feels pretty good rn imo, keys, ST feels meh in raid but raids lots of aoe and cleave anyways

[neat frost]

gamers, what's the general consensus on fury regardless of performance? is it fun to play? i heard a few people complain that it felt like the rotation/spec feels laggy and sluggish?

[supple glen]

idk, its kinda fun but in terms of satisfying rotation

[random shadow]

its fun to play imo, more haste will fix the sluggish but it feels fine currently with 21% base haste

more haste will be better ofc tho

[supple glen]

i dont have much to compare

but ww for example feels like a really coherent rotation

[random shadow]

fury rotation will never really be better then most other rotations, we spam the same 3-4 buttons depending on season

its a generator and spender spec

[neat frost]

well ive heard people say like it feels like the game needs a global to catch up to your input so it feels weirdly sluggish

[quiet geyser]

Thane fun

Slayer zzz

[random shadow]

hm maybe if youre playing with input lag or server lag maybe, or when you have like 170% haste it can feel rough

[neat frost]

there's a whole reddit post about it actually

[random shadow]

but i generally have no issues with the rotation and feel, then again we have very low haste currently

link me it please, im broed

[queen panther]

Slayer doesn’t tickle the brain like thane does with big BB crits

[random shadow]

would be sick if RB doesnt hit like a wet noodle, if all of our abilitites feels good

[neat frost]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1s0rhpb/do_your_gcds_feel_sluggish_is_there_a_universal/

[supple glen]

ya shit feels slow currently

[neat frost]

a lot of people said in the comments that they noticed it as well. in particular with frost dk

[supple glen]

ifyou have time to look at numbers youre not pumping hard enough

[supple glen]

its the same lmao

[random shadow]

i think it might be a haste issue or just other classes, i dont really feel slugish on my fury tho

besides when i have like 170% haste from PI and lust

that shit feels rough but thats just cause of how GCD works at 150+ lol

[supple glen]

not sluggish i would say. id use "not crisp"

[quiet geyser]

Sure, except thunderclap feels 10x more satisfying to press than yours 20th WW fill in

[supple glen]

thats true but in the end its just another icon for the same general purpose kek

[random shadow]

whats funny tho i see no fury players in the commments complaining about GCD when we're a heavy fast GCD class lol

[supple glen]

then again, youre not really supposed to run slayer in the first place when you will be spamming ww no?

[random shadow]

ok i read 1 commentor about arms to fury but point still kinda stands

[supple glen]

man im a pug gamer and i am the only warrior in most raids

[queen panther]

I don’t have to look for em, I just seeee em

[supple glen]

there just arent any it feels like

[quiet geyser]

You end up will though with slayer being BT focused

[supple glen]

and i complained about this 2 weeks ago in chat

[waxen vigil]

@edgy widget why did u put FSY and Synergy but not Advance in your article

[queen panther]

I still wanna know what happen to WW applying rend when u have improved WW

[quiet geyser]

Its for 0.5 patch

[queen panther]

When’s that?

[waxen vigil]

Never

Got cancelled I think

[queen panther]

Rip

[summer quail]

hahah i wish. would mean the sd reap thing never happens

[south kayak]

[turbid gate]

Hey, why we don't like enrage regen anymore?

[warm crag]

we do but its a dps loss

realistically you should click it on prog bosses, ppl clicked it on alleria

[supple glen]

yeah i took it bc living > few unutilized dps

it is a cringe talent point and should be baseline

or remove the etreme downide of defstance

[warm crag]

"extreme"

[sullen dove]

-10% damage for 4 seconds

raging blow will never recover

[warm crag]

the later they realize how broken stance mastery is the better

[quiet geyser]

Or just switch fresh meat and ER position. Fixed

[supple glen]

other classes just press their dr, everythings gucci

why does warriors have to come with downsides

[sullen dove]

cuz ours is better and has no cooldown and you can do it whenever you want

[supple glen]

its not just 10% its also missing out on the dmg bonus of bers

i get it for defstance man but regen

cmon

[compact knot]

idk bro

[young swan]

what does regen do thats a downside?

[supple glen]

steal talentpoints

[quiet geyser]

^^

[young swan]

oh i mean yeah

[radiant plank]

feels like an immunity but it isnt

[sullen dove]

regen + bladestorm is def an immunity

from everything but a direct 1shot of your entire healthbar

but yea idk if theres anything you so severely feel like u need ER for

other than maybe alleria

but healers will get better

[compact knot]

other specs have defensives that have downsides worse then dstance or er

[warm crag]

very nice against alleria

[supple glen]

its for when i have fucked up again lol

[sullen dove]

ya reasonable

[young swan]

i feel like its reasonable to say that most really strong defensives have a downside

[compact knot]

i been playing spriest and dispersion is so broken but i cant push anything

pmo

[sullen dove]

ice block cant cast

turtle cant cast

[compact knot]

ice cold though

[sullen dove]

only pallies are fuckin broken

yea mages just do that

70% dr

basically an iceblock

why would you ever need anything more

unless actually immuning some mechanic

[supple glen]

ice block lets you ignore literal raidkiller mechanics in many cases

[warm crag]

are magicians still cooked broken or

[supple glen]

enrage regen is 30% dr cmon

[compact knot]

not really

frost is good

fire is ass

[warm crag]

defensively

idc abt offense

[compact knot]

arcane kinda mid but good in m+

[sullen dove]

yea and dstance is like 500% dr

[compact knot]

oh yeah

[warm crag]

i had a mage in my guild try to gaslight us into thinking they are extremely squishy on dimensius because they have to press their defensives

[sullen dove]

can also stack more on fury since we have a couple with low cooldown

[young swan]

we also passively have 10% DR + plate armor + an extra 8% dr if thane talent

[sullen dove]

dstance + reflect you are not dying to anything magical in the game

[compact knot]

arcane deadass has arcane armor and thats it

[young swan]

• giga leech

[serene socket]

I get really bad GCD desync playing fury. I was researching this issue a few days ago as well. Seems to be that the visual for the GCD swipe animation gets off sync with the actual timer. visually its a bug but im not sure if its actually impacting inputs beyond being confusing and harder to time correctly

[young swan]

self healing

like

idk why this is the hill to die on

[compact knot]

was this last tier or prepatch

[supple glen]

that being said, i do feel so much safer on warrior than uh dk

[warm crag]

last tier prog

[compact knot]

ok

he was lying

lol

[supple glen]

its squishy cmpared

[compact knot]

last tier prog mage was incredibly tanky, mirror images, ice cold, ginvis, mass barrier, self barrier

[sullen dove]

bro

my dk

[warm crag]

i dont think he was lying but at the point of prog we were at he was making it out to be that every other class would survive without pressing defensives while they wouldnt

[sullen dove]

dies literally on cooldown in world content

[summer quail]

i think he's one of these people that is just impossible to argue with

[sullen dove]

that class is actually terrible

at staying alive

[compact knot]

its bad when tanking mobs

[sullen dove]

death strike costs half your rp and heals you for 5% of your hp

very cool

[compact knot]

but then in raid you cant die to magic damage ever

[sullen dove]

yea

ams is op

but if u fighting things that dont gaf about ams

[quiet geyser]

.. because its already dead isnt it? 😛

[sullen dove]

u are a piece of paper

[compact knot]

they kinda nerfed lichborne to not being a defensive

i dont like that

its just 6% leech and breaks some ccs

[loud field]

I mean tbf most important damage in raid is AMS-able

[warm crag]

what if you said this but you put an r between the a and m

[loud field]

rarely are big hits or big rot physical lol

[sullen dove]

then it would be a lie

[supple glen]

i wasnt aware of hte leech tbh

are there numbers comparing to other classes

[compact knot]

zorthas made a video

he has good videos

[supple glen]

cheers

[compact knot]

recommend them

[young swan]

yeah watch the zorthas video

[compact knot]

but i think fury is just the best spec defensively now

[warm crag]

you changed ever since you became yellow

[young swan]

tankiest spec in the game that isnt dk

[compact knot]

raids seem to be rot heavy now

and dk isnt that great vs rot

but fury is amazing against rot

[warm crag]

categorically untrue while you can not click a cheat death or immune

[young swan]

he'll be back to normal in a couple months

[sullen dove]

i miss arms

glad its op at least on 1 boss

true

[young swan]

just needs to get comfy

[compact knot]

you dont need a cheat death or immune when noting one shots you bro

[supple glen]

i dont feel squishy tbh, i just hate knowing i am griefing myself bc i want to play it safe to not get removed from the pug lma0o

[neat python]

Hi, someone could help me with my rota ingame at dummy (EU - H)? Must doing something wrong (Fury Thane)... Sim telling me 58k, dummy dps is 38, no matter how hard i break my fingers.

[compact knot]

sim vs dummy dps will always be different

[warm crag]

cant build encounter strategies around being tanky

[supple glen]

do you have all the buffs

[compact knot]

sim has raid buffs, lust and consumes

you do not have raid buffs lust and consumes

[sullen dove]

sarkareth be like

(me when i say a random boss cause it was funny but p1 did do a lot of dmg)

[neat python]

now i feel like an idiot 🙂

[supple glen]

ahyo question got ignored earlier, sim is normal patchwerk no? so on use like puzzle should have more value if i time it with aoe and dmg amp right

[warm crag]

can you sr anything of relevance this tier

[sullen dove]

patchwork good and somethin like puzzle is just kind of a feelcraft out its use

[summer quail]

not to mention sim has execute phase. execute phase is pretty decent for fury atm

[warm crag]

also is the spec u play on it hard or can i just wing it

[sullen dove]

you can taunt reflect war chaplain senn's exorcism cast on 5th boss

at your discretion

[warm crag]

i will not do this

[sullen dove]

uh idk it felt easy to me but im sure i also played very wrong

[radiant plank]

Sims should work properly with pbox soon ™

[sullen dove]

but its literally just hit cleave

[compact knot]

when alnseer

xdd

[sullen dove]

dont warbreaker on pull until the double bubble gets md'd or you will very quickly explode

(i was not aware first time i did boss)

those who snow

[supple glen]

just trying to understand how to treat retail sim data

[summer quail]

can't wait for pbox to be bis(surely)

[compact knot]

this pmo

so much

did like 50k dps on pull

[radiant plank]

idk i cant see anything that makes it sim worse for arrior

[compact knot]

ended with 150k

[radiant plank]

arms bis

[supple glen]

bc for classic, actual fights changed value of items significantly

[sullen dove]

gg

[compact knot]

it would sim better prob

not worse

prob not for warrior tho

[warm crag]

how much do i want box on a scale from 1-idk

[radiant plank]

which one is highest

[summer quail]

@compact knot i checked a bunch of logs for alnseer coz i was curious. classes that has both pets and dots proc it a shit ton. classes that only has 1 of those seems normal

[warm crag]

what trinkets do i want i have the funny heart that makes me bigger

[compact knot]

that makes sense, dk and spriest probably both undersim on it, it sims as bis for spriest so its gonna get even better

[summer quail]

demolock, spriest and unholy. think the spirits count crazy for it

[sullen dove]

first boss on use good/easy i think

many haste

[compact knot]

spriest is crazy with that trinket

free casts

[summer quail]

yea idk if that is intended. those 3 specs proc it ALOT more than others

[radiant plank]

the gaze and the puzzle box

[warm crag]

FUCK

[radiant plank]

if u were arms I would say plume and the puzzy B

[zinc sluice]

why is the puzzle box so low on bloodmallet? does anyone know?

[summer quail]

it's undersimming

[zinc sluice]

so still bis?

[radiant plank]

no

[zinc sluice]

i fkn hate playing with it

standing still for 2sec in the middle of a pack doesn't seem to be the way to go:^)

[warm crag]

you'll be fine

[radiant plank]

its hasted

[unreal onyx]

ya'll play thane or slayer on crown?

[coarse nest]

Just take the high road and lose .1% dps in aoe

[compact knot]

im playing thane personally

[brittle tinsel]

Yo i have a question/problem , anyone can help me ? My problem is idk what page follow for see the bisses , maxroll or wowhead , any side tell the bisses are others (not the trinkets and rings)

[zinc sluice]

well ty for the quick response, was hoping for a different answer tho haha

[coarse nest]

Follow wowhead and then talk here with questions

[zinc sluice]

i play thane on every fight now

[sullen dove]

slayer to kill the boss thane if you dont hate your life

[echo rapids]

Goated

[sullen dove]

(p1 bs rng makes you head explode)

[brittle tinsel]

Better than maxroll ?

[coarse nest]

Yes

[zinc sluice]

so much more fun

and all #1 logs on wcl play with thane

[echo rapids]

Stay clapping

[zinc sluice]

all i had to hear

[compact knot]

r1 on crown is slayer

[brittle tinsel]

Why ? the stats are better than maxroll ones ?

[compact knot]

but thane is more consistent

[zinc sluice]

so i see, that wasn't there before:'(

[chrome relic]

Play thane

[coarse nest]

Archi writes the wowhead guide and also is active here so you can ask clarification questions

[chrome relic]

Don’t get ragebaited.

[zinc sluice]

i guess i have to play thane and get 100 parse now

:^)

[regal vector]

Tell everyone in raid to not touch the adds

[brittle tinsel]

Ah okay, tnx

[zinc sluice]

and i see that r1 on cosmos has gaze and 259 ilvl

maybe that's the big difference

[sullen dove]

i mighta had an r1 alleria pull last night if group didnt chuff it

ended p1 at like 260k

[undone flower]

R3 has 262 ilvl

[sullen dove]

(literally just had a bs up with cds for every add)

[zinc sluice]

r2 has 256, no gaze and plays thane

[young swan]

i played slayer and having killed it would recommend thane

[compact knot]

gear is kinda fake right now except for tier

[zinc sluice]

so i'm playing thane o77

[sullen dove]

if you arent worried about your groups boss dps and are playing in a real guild thane def way better for mental

[compact knot]

4pc is the stuff that matters

[sullen dove]

but if i wasnt playing slayer in that pug i killed it in the boss would simply not have died

true

[young swan]

idk its like 2% diff in aoe talents im pretty sure thane is kinda just better

[warm crag]

correct play is colossus arms 👍

[undone flower]

Yeah p3 dmg diff between the two hero are kinda big

[sullen dove]

yea that too right p2 damage is kinda irrelevant

just need to break shields

she phases into p3 at same hp every time

so more time in execute

maybe it is an arms fight..

wait..

[zinc sluice]

allright ty for making me happy again, thane for all content it is(:

[compact knot]

except arms doesnt have execute anymore

kinda fake

[sullen dove]

gg

[compact knot]

fury the execute spec but does more damage even before execute then arms

[young swan]

im not even sure this is true

[sullen dove]

yea

[brittle tinsel]

@edgy widget sorry for ping, but , im seeing any bisses in maxroll , wowhead and icy veins are different , why (Mostly the crafted weapon , ring , cape and boots ) what is the difference , u have calcs 😄 ?

[sullen dove]

its just the 63% to 0 hp that is actually relevant for killing boss

rest is theoretically pad

maybe p2 has an enrage eventually

or ig its just floor right

[young swan]

yeah

[sullen dove]

but you still ahve like 1/3rd of floor left after 4 shields

[young swan]

it has the same sort of enrage that p3 has

just much longer

[undone flower]

i checked few logs, maybe it just a coincidence from the ones i picked

[sullen dove]

i mean i feel like bladestorm+bb in execute is probably a decent bit more significant

[warm crag]

hc p3 is so weird

its missing like 2 mechanics

[sullen dove]

moreso than just like comparing 100-0 damage

yea maybe

i mean they still hit hard as shit

[dry hawk]

Other than levling Valeera/Delve Journey is there a point of doing these

[sullen dove]

can easily die if you do em wrong

but yea she just kinda target dummies

need big healers

[warm crag]

vault

[sullen dove]

goat

[warm crag]

then ur done

[young swan]

yeah maybe slayer p3 does own

[sullen dove]

there gotta be somethin wrong with me to cap myth crests from t11's on 4 characters

but less m+ is good

[young swan]

still aids to play for the rest of the fight

[sullen dove]

i mean it lines well in p2 anyway

tho those adds die in 5 seconds

it is just do you get lucky in p1 or not

[young swan]

those adds feel like they have 0 hp

[sullen dove]

yea

[undone flower]

but im gonna thane the fight personnaly

[dry hawk]

is there a way outside the ?? delve to get Mythic Crests this week

[sullen dove]

heroic alleria gives 10

t11 delves at rank 4 give up to 20

and 2100+ pvp matches

[weary plume]

Are there any fights where slayer is just miles better than thane in raid atm? Thinking third boss but aside from that?

[sullen dove]

wouldnt say miles

but yea salad its probably the biggest "gap"

the most st focused

[wise canyon]

do we pay cleave on the 6th fight?

[random shadow]

play thane

[supple glen]

you can filter wcl to dps warriors and look at what the top parses ran. and yea, only salhadar has it as favorite

[random shadow]

just clap when need be

[weary plume]

I juste hate having to switch between thane and slayer when I focus more on m+ anyway

[dry hawk]

I did a T11 delve and it gave me 0?

[sullen dove]

rakn 4

[random shadow]

can just play thane on all fights tbh

[sullen dove]

in delvers journey

[random shadow]

Thane ST isnt that far behind but way better aoe then slayer

[weary plume]

Yea I’ve done so, I’ve just wondered if there’s gonna be more of a gap long term

[supple glen]

hard to say with all the balancing

[dry hawk]

ah

[weary plume]

Ok good to know

[weary plume]

Yea true

[sullen dove]

its irrelevant tomorrow

its just if you had the extra time to do it this week

offsets a tiny bit how fast u get weapon next week

like tmrw i can just smash out 3 t11 delves and craft weapon instantly before stepping into m+

[supple glen]

hmm... waste 3 hours trying to pug crown or do delves..

[sullen dove]

whether guildies will be on first to let that happen idk

[wise canyon]

so just the standard m+ build?>

[sullen dove]

pmuch

[random shadow]

theres builds for each boss, but you can pretty much

[sullen dove]

might swap out some utility in m+ for more survivability

can just copy a thane talent on wcl prolly for something more optimal than just flat m+ build

but damage should be identical

[wise canyon]

wait where can i find the specific builds?>

[random shadow]

wowhead

[wise canyon]

they used to be on icyveins but

[random shadow]

has raid build section

[sullen dove]

wowhead for general builds or warcraftlogs for what individual ppl run on a boss

[wise canyon]

i am genuinely braindead, might i have a link

[sullen dove]

can type wowhead fury warrior or something

should be right there

unless rare occurence of wowhead being blocked in your country?

can happen a few times tho not that common

but also i think its in #dps-faq

[dapper goblet]

[sullen dove]

bring it back

[ember apex]

i never liked siegebreaker - i dont respect it

[coarse nest]

True actually

Give me damage window again

[sullen dove]

reckless abandon be like

[tiny seal]

if siegebreaker would spread over all targets like rend it would be hella goated

[wicked eagle]

Any guides anywhere or tips for when to hold cd’s on current boss pool?

[modest wave]

https://lorrgs.io/

[sullen dove]

Can look at Lorrgs.io yea

but generally send on pull every boss and mostly on cooldown and you should hit most of the aoe

First boss you’d hold every add set after sending pull and dragons only boss you’d might full hold cd on pull for adds in 30ish seconds after pull starts

Chimerus a little wonky too if ur first down but that one’s kinda eh

[warped bone]

Are sims a bit odd with 2 set? Sims as a loss for me only dif is some crit and 9 ilvls on shoulders

[sullen dove]

Shouldn’t be a direct loss in any way but potentially if you lose some stats such as mastery drops below being your highest stat it could mess up potion of recklessness which could be worth about 1-1.5k

Would try same sim with potion of lights potential and see

[warped bone]

I'll try. Cheers

[winter axle]

Did we determine Slayer is dead now and Thane is god

[sullen dove]

Thane is eating good

Slayer still good for half the bosses but up to you

[winter axle]

It's not a huge difference in DPS though, right? I'd rather just learn Thane and focus on getting good with that

[sullen dove]

Yea it’s not that big

The bosses thane is better at it’s way better than slayer whereas the opposite is less true

so just thane game if u wanna pick one

[winter axle]

I'm dog shit with both

I really am struggling to learn

[sullen dove]

Ya wowhead guide has good intro breakdown of stuff and you can try to compare yourself to logs and if have more questions past that can ask around in here

[charred flint]

its weird getting used to RB being dogshit

after 6 months of RB being godlike

[sullen dove]

a lot of the time on these bosses especially a p big factor in parsing is maximizing add damage

[stoic pagoda]

Quick question from warrior newbie: are you guys also struggling so hard withraid damage? I'm last to second last with slayer. Or is this in me? (ilvl 250)

[charred flint]

you shouldnt, no

[stoic pagoda]

Oh... well then its on me :D

[sullen dove]

Warr a little behind on st compared to most but should be still a bit playable

if u wanna drop a log in log channel or something to see if someone’ll take a loot

Rule of thumb tho most bosses have a lot of aoe and Warr is rly good at doing that

so more likely than not not saving as many cds as you should for adds

First boss especially is pretty big difference

early in the raid that is

[stoic pagoda]

Is there a tutorial for logging? Idk how this works

[sullen dove]

Uh you can go to warcraftlogs.com and chances are someone in your raid group would log kills or maybe they even get unloaded automatically without anyone doing it idk how that tech works specifically

[warped bone]

That worked cheers

[sullen dove]

But you search your name and see how you did on a boss with the higher number the better and a 100 being the absolute best dps done on the fight which isn’t that common to hit

[supple sinew]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/stormrage/anotheryear?zone=46&difficulty=3
lets gooo

[sullen dove]

noice

[stoic pagoda]

Ah ok thx, ill check it out

[supple sinew]

had to go fix crown

[light tapir]

250 ilvl I idle between 7-10th as slayer sometime bumping upto 4th-6th during bursts mid fight

Might just need to play with your rotation and timings a bit

[stoic pagoda]

Yeah ok, no chance for me. Must have something wrong with my prio i think

[sullen dove]

not improbably knowing which are the right buttons to hit is pretty important

wowhead or other guides listed in #dps-faq can help a little bit with that

[winter axle]

Do I single key Recklessness + Avatar in Thane?

[sullen dove]

yea

[stoic pagoda]

What does this tell me? I guess its not optimized for mobile lol

[sullen dove]

yea you got an 11 which isnt the greatest

oh crown of the cosmos tho

nice

but yea that boss especially is very swingy depending on how much you pad in phase 1

[robust onyx]

What can I drop if I wanted to take ER on raid fight?

[stoic pagoda]

Oh i got 11/100? xd

[undone flower]

89% of fury war does more

[sullen dove]

yea

[coarse nest]

Condemn my beloved

[sullen dove]

you did better than 11% of furies on the boss

[edgy widget]

yes, it means you were in the 11th percentile, which is quite low

[stoic pagoda]

Oh ok xd

[edgy widget]

not actually 11/100 other players
but 11% out of 100% (higher is better)

[stoic pagoda]

I see

[edgy widget]

tbf you're also 244 ilvl, which is kinda low, and I presume you died semi early

[sullen dove]

but like im sure theres very fixable things you can do to bump that up by a couple 10s of percentiles

[edgy widget]

at least I hope you died semi early 👀

[sullen dove]

yeah item level and dying and not maximizing add damage and correct rotation and stuff all matters for that

[stoic pagoda]

I don't think I died tbh 💀

[sullen dove]

you did not

ok step 1 i can instantly tell just by lookin at the log

[edgy widget]

then I'd say you very likely have some rotation issues

[sullen dove]

you should hit rampage as your number 1 ability basically

almost half your rage is wasted

that alone will prolly double your percentile maybe even triple

[dry hawk]

so if I dont have keys, doing this for XP is still best at T11?

[stoic pagoda]

Hmm yeah, I misread the prio list on wowhead I think

[sullen dove]

do you notice that youre at rage cap a lot?

cuz it seems like you are just from that

[stoic pagoda]

Yep

[sullen dove]

but if you ever see your rage bar close to full or especially at full you want to hit rampage immediately

wasting rage very bad

[stoic pagoda]

I thought I just use rampage when the enrage buff is gine tbh xd

[sullen dove]

thats part of it

you dont want to lose enrage cuz it makes you do more damage

but aside from that rampage itself still does a lot of damage

so its fine to hit it early

[stoic pagoda]

Ah ok I see

[smoky vale]

but if you can generate extra and not waste also good

[sullen dove]

yea

[stoic pagoda]

You guys use wowhead raid talents? Or custom?

[sullen dove]

pretty much wowhead is good yeah

[dapper mountain]

I've honestly jist used it when its up usually unless bloodthirsty was up and I wasn't full rage.. intuitive maybe im doing it wrong tho

[light tapir]

And itll do even more when you have tier. Its massively a main thing to hit

[sullen dove]

theres more minutia to using rampage that you can worry about later

but for right now top prio is def just never waste rage

[stoic pagoda]

Ok I see, thx

[dapper mountain]

When i log on my warrior my intention is to be a caveman and let the zug flow through me

[stoic pagoda]

Tier like tier set you mean?

[sullen dove]

yea

[wild glade]

is there any like fight by fight talent guides floating around?

or just multi target on every fight?

[sullen dove]

can check on warcraft logs every fight u pmuch take improve ww tho yea

just sometimes you can swap between thane and slayer

[light tapir]

Custom what feels good to me but I cross reference to tune it up more if I feel lacking but you can only build so different anyway without massive loss

[floral frigate]

quick and probalby stupid question, the potion of reck, is it your highest stat percent or stat rating it increases?

[sullen dove]

stat rating

[winter shoal]

Wowhead has them, I believe it's under "raid tips" or something like that

[floral frigate]

ugh its a haste pot for me atm lol

[robust onyx]

Can I drop Meat Cleaver for ER on Crown fight or smth else?

[winter shoal]

I would play pure single target spec on crown personally

Slayer, drop impWW for ER

The aoe in that fight is very fake

[silk obsidian]

Anyone have a link to an in depth guide for fury? As a bdk we have a theory crafter that updates a big doc constantly… looking for something similar

[sullen dove]

not like a full doc but wowhead is pretty thorough

[silk obsidian]

Already seen wowhead, wondering if there is something player created

[sullen dove]

that is player created

[winter shoal]

There's also the maxroll guide if you prefer but it's basically the same

Probably less recently updated bc Revvez has been raiding

[silk obsidian]

Ok so wowhead is the recommendation, that’s cool

[winter shoal]

Yep wowhead good

[silk obsidian]

Zugzug

[edgy widget]

nice, how much did you pay?

[silk obsidian]

Appreciate it!

[teal hawk]

hi, i got the very rare neck from alleria on normal champ 6/6 and now that i sim my char for upgrades the gaze from chimaerus shows as a 10.3% upgrade..is this a bug? before the neck it was like 1.4% for me and i didnt change anything else

[winter shoal]

That seems a little wacky, can you link the sim?

[sullen dove]

did you... unequip your trinket perhaps?

[teal hawk]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fapiMMdhaXZ9ad7j8ETQFF

[sullen dove]

idk how that happens otherwise

[winter shoal]

I'm at work rn but someone else can look

[teal hawk]

i dont have the trinket its just a sim for upgrades

[sullen dove]

yea he does have 2 somewhat real trinkets equipped

that is kind of absurd idk why that would be the case

replacing maisara trinket

unless it was just changed to not pick up balls or something in sim

even then

[winter shoal]

Try running a top gear sim with that trinket added

[winter shoal]

In that case every trinket would sim giga, but the others are like 3%

Probs just droptimizer being weird

[edgy widget]

droptimizer has been known to do weird things on occasion

[teal hawk]

there's something wrong with the neck i feel like, will do the top gear

[edgy widget]

probably an auto-imported bonus id somewhere being futzed

[teal hawk]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2GA7DWJ4g4ZxYdSy4uuatx

yeah still shows about 10-ish%

[sullen dove]

maybe it still thinks its the double unnerfed trinket lol

[pearl wolf]

Hey guys, can you recommend any youtuber for fury pve guides please?

[sullen dove]

madox or critcake has p good videos i think

[summer quail]

Eternal Voidsong Chain: Implementation is speculative and has not been tested. Sim results may be inaccurate.

this is what it says

so yes

[echo rapids]

Baze made a video too

[stiff barn]

Sure it keeps telling me champ/hero/myth shoulders are worse than my 250 vet ones

[pearl wolf]

Thanks

[teal hawk]

yeah was about to say that, but its very bizarre that it somehow affects a specific trinket of all things no?

[edgy widget]

na that's high even for that

[fickle vector]

Is the 1% dps gain worth folding rend in slayer build?

[smoky vale]

wym folding

[kindred sequoia]

quick! i need that alleria licking xalataths feet while riding a motorbike gif

[fickle vector]

i mean using rend

[smoky vale]

1% is 1%

up to you if you find it annoying enough to not

[silk obsidian]

With WAs gone, and fury being relatively simple to track, are yall sticking to the default UI typically? Or putting In the effort to redo your WAs with other UI addons?

[teal hawk]

aight, ty for the help, will report it to raidbots

[silk obsidian]

Seems like a. Lot of work tbh

[edgy widget]

that would be the best bet, drop a link in the bug reports channel and seri or someone will get to it

[edgy widget]

I think most power players will remake their UI using addons so they can fine tune things, but you can certainly get by with (at least mostly) default options

e.g. I use Bartender action bars and CDM buff tracking, without any fancy bs like ArcUI and it works fine for me, though if you want your rage bar more centered or alternative Imp WW tracking, you can certainly do that with addons

[silk obsidian]

Yeah I keep seeing ArcUI, but I’m not wanting to get into that tbh

I’ve seen the new cooldown tracking features, I might try those too

[untold heart]

We don’t have anything beside cds to manage

[edgy widget]

its more trouble than its worth to me but ultimately it's a personal thing - just depends on how much fine tuning you want

[untold heart]

Besides IWW

[tight roost]

I think once you get past the learning curve arcUI offers lots of useful functionality, that said its definitely cpu hungry

[echo rapids]

I’m old with a slow brain, and ArcUI custom glow colors are a huge help for me

Bloodthirst glows green and I can see that in my peripheral vision

[tight roost]

Crit has made his ui setup freely available also, theres a bit of setup but hes gone a long way to make detailed guides

[rare garnet]

Nah I only trust paid packs if I’m not getting scammed elite packs I can’t trust it

[keen kindle]

[near ice]

what's the dps difference between slayer and mountain thane in raid?

[rare garnet]

Between 0-10000000

[near ice]

dang

[keen kindle]

Its about 42

[rare garnet]

Closer to 67

[near ice]

percentage wise in sims I meant sorry

[smoky vale]

gm critcake

[edgy widget]

I don't know that this is part of it, but I would also recommend not running Nightly or Weekly SimC version
Latest should always be used unless you notice a very apparent issue

[winter axle]

I'm ferocious af bois

[sullen dove]

holy chad

[edgy widget]

you no fuck with candle

[winter axle]

🦦

[echo rapids]

[rigid chasm]

sea otters are mean animals

[winter axle]

gay ones have that extra sass

[teal hawk]

yeah i use latest most of the time but i sometimes change between nightly and latest to test stuff but shows the same on anything anyways

[edgy widget]

usually there's not a lot of difference, but every now and then something weird pops up

[rare garnet]

by far the weirdest top gear ive seen, even copied his input and ran my own on it

[teal hawk]

thats why im trying to sim a lot of times when i find weird stuff like this just to make sure

[edgy widget]

you know what

[sullen dove]

ya idk it shows mythic one only 2k better than what i have lol

is the mastery on it so valuable to you

[edgy widget]

yeah that's cause you already haave it simming high

[sullen dove]

do u have like 0 mast on your gear xd

[edgy widget]

no, it's a bug

[sullen dove]

yea

[edgy widget]

it's just an actual SimC bug with the effect, not raidbots importing the wrong bonus ID

[sullen dove]

but strange on multiple different kinds of sims it shows up like that

[edgy widget]

thats why the ilvl gain isn't showing too high on yours, you're already simming inflated from the H one

[sullen dove]

i dont have the heroic one

thats replacing like a 263 kroluk axe

[edgy widget]

well at any rate, it's being fixed

[rare garnet]

-reacted with ❤️

[edgy widget]

Taez just pushed an update for it, so it should be on Raidbots shortly

[sullen dove]

yea i heard like an hour or two ago it procs way more if you have like multiple damage sources or somethin right

like its way better on hunters/warlock/spriest or something if i understood right

doubt thatd be the case here

we dont got pets

[edgy widget]

I don't know, but that doesn't appear related

[sullen dove]

yea

[spring pumice]

Is Thane really that much better?

[edgy widget]

basically the trinket was built with some really weird icd behavior that Taez was trying to fix and his fix broke something, so he unfixed his fix and now it should be fixed

[sullen dove]

in aoe yes

[hollow leaf]

think the game is trying to tell me something

[brittle crow]

when do we get first catalyst charge?

not from 2k io

[warm crag]

tldr

[brittle crow]

just natty charge

[echo rapids]

Not this coming reset but the following

It’s every other week

[brittle crow]

fugg

so id need to get 2 tier pieces from raid this week to get 4pc this week

assuming i get one from vault and one from 2k

[turbid fog]

thats a bold assumption for your vault

[echo rapids]

We have a charge and will get one from 2k io so yeah

[brittle crow]

im lucky once per season, i invoke it early

i always get tier from my first vault

[echo rapids]

Unlocking 4 piece seems important for getting the extra charges

Should be doable with vault and raid

[turbid fog]

You have jinxed yourself so hard it's unbelievable

[brittle crow]

only makes me stronger

just watch

[turbid fog]

Doesn't it give you an achieve where all content awards tier after that

[echo rapids]

Awards the catalyst charges

So you can turn all those heroic armor drops from m+ to tier

[flat burrow]

is it normal that fury who was with me in dungeon level 80 with purple gear from previous xpac was pulling like 60k more overall than me on level 84? or am i just dogshit player?xD

[acoustic birch]

Scaling

[sullen dove]

yes

lower level characters especially those in purple raid gear will do way more dmg

evens out by max level

or even lvl 87-88ish

[flat burrow]

i know the scaling existed but didnt know its that huge gap between levels

[sullen dove]

its mostly due to secondaries i think

like imagine last xpac right the amount of secondaries you get is less than you will get this xpac, so say you have 1000 crit stat, and thats like 40% crit at lvl 80 cuz thats really big for lvl 80

but then you hit lvl 90 and that same 1000 crit is now 10% crit

same stat but worth way less

[loud field]

hey quick question, is light's potential any good for fury or should I just always use reck if I proc mastery 🤔

[sullen dove]

cuz you get a lot more than 1000 crit from gear in new expacs

[hollow leaf]

sim question but light's potential does way more for me

[sullen dove]

they're pretty similar can sim the difference to check

[loud field]

was just wondering cause for unholy simming with reck is pretty wonky, didn't know if fury was having the same problems

[echo rapids]

Reck potion can be odd if you accidentally have the wrong secondary as your highest

[sullen dove]

its wonky if you dont guarantee your best stat gets buffed

[flat burrow]

and just question, thunder clap and raging blow are our lowest prio right? like we press them when everything else is on CD or we are capping on rage

[sullen dove]

like if u have haste buff off reck thats terrible

im assuming on most classes

[loud field]

ya

[sullen dove]

vs a real damage stat

[loud field]

right

[sullen dove]

which assume is mastery for unholy and def mastery for fury

[loud field]

like for unholy I just sim with light even though reck is 100x better cause I can guarantee mastery with puzzy b

cause I always get weird sim results with reck

[sullen dove]

thunderclap in cooldowns (avatar) you can hit on cd in aoe basically

but outside of avatar yea its not as good

[smoky vale]

@warm crag raid today?

[sullen dove]

and raging blow is pretty low overall

[loud field]

but yeah ty for answers

[flat burrow]

thanks mate!

[loud field]

I also saw this in the fury guide, is the way it's written intentional?

[sullen dove]

yea i think small typo or somethin idk but its just reck or lights potential

[loud field]

ye figured

ty

[sullen dove]

or mislinking of pot i guess i mean idk

prolly some item id you have to link in there for it to show up

[hollow leaf]

You press thunderclap on cd inside of aoe if:
Avatar is active
6+ targets
otherwise thunderclap is filler yeah

[brittle crow]

so if u go reck u need to be sure to press pot before u press reck

so that it doesn't fuck ur stats

[warm crag]

do you want me to log some alt i dont have leveled or what we killed everything

[sullen dove]

hitting reck shouldnt affect reck pot if thats waht you mean?

should go off stat number not stat%

[brittle crow]

o

[hollow leaf]

yeah what sore said

[smoky vale]

yep

login

[brittle crow]

didn't know if it would take the crit buff into consideration

[sullen dove]

naw

if it gave you a flat value of crit maybe

[brittle crow]

i think mastery is my highest stat rn

so reck pot every time

[sullen dove]

but just slap 20% onto your abilities is separate

yea

its prolly only few hundred dps difference

strength pot vs mastery reck pot

but one works every time

[brittle crow]

mastery is my highest and vers is my lowest

might be goated

[sullen dove]

and the other may be wishy washy if your stats arent set well/random procs overtake mastery like the windrunner haste trinket and maybe vorasius crit trink would too tho crit i dont think is as bad as getting haste

yea prolly good

[echo rapids]

So it’s only raw secondary number?

[edgy widget]

yeah you generally want mastery highest and low-to-no vers