fury

[sullen dove]

and preplan

[radiant plank]

l2p issue

[bitter palm]

a good warrior dies last

on a wipe

[sullen dove]

if you hit dstance before damage goes out you will not die to anything in the game before almost everyone else in your group does

[native wadi]

Much chatting

[radiant plank]

Especially with stance mastery

[native wadi]

Literally only clas worse is feral druid and monk

[bitter palm]

its so broken

[sullen dove]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-type-gif-24052524

[radiant plank]

I mean warrior players are just allergic to dstance

[native wadi]

Hilarious shit

[bitter palm]

stance mastery among the most broken defensives for sure

[bitter palm]

especially fury warriors

[radiant plank]

go check warriors who die and their death logs

see when they press dstance

(its never)

[native wadi]

Bro its a normalized log

Other classes wont min max and die as well

[radiant plank]

l2p issue im saying

[native wadi]

Pls sir go look at 1000 logs one by one before saying having no defensive is worse than having one

Warrior discord lore

At this point

[sullen dove]

this no defensive bit is some quality rb no cap

[bitter palm]

🪤

[sullen dove]

🎣

[native wadi]

"But shaman has only one def"

[mossy fox]

warriors always top deaths

we're idiots

[native wadi]

Shaman top 1 in survivality

Zug zug

I genuinely dont know if we are being serious or yapping

[tiny seal]

Shaman has bl aswell

[native wadi]

I love being a warrior

[tiny seal]

so what are we even discussing

[bold carbon]

does somebody have the simple top sim for st

[bitter palm]

we topped deaths in s3 of df where we had 30% vers and could just tank shit like smolderon rings

[bold carbon]

just want to look through the roto

[mossy fox]

yeah literally doesn't matter how tanky we are

we'll always find a way to die

[remote bobcat]

enhance topping deaths it just gets deflated because it wont get tracked if they ankh

in mythic raiding at least

[mossy fox]

ankh is a defensive

[remote bobcat]

true

[rose horizon]

Is the Bis list on Wowhead accurate ?

[remote bobcat]

BIS lists are fake. You're comparing thousands of combinations of gear and like 100 combinations are all within 0.01% of eachother and the one that is the highest by a miniscule amount ends up being the bis list on wowhead

you should never target every single item on bis lists

thats just gonna hold you back more than anything else

There are some target items which you should go for, but dont go for the entire list as that wont work

[pale lava]

would a 9950x3d encounter bottleneck on a rtx 4070 super in WoW on 1440p? I'm currently running 7800x3d but I'm considering upgrading because fps is still not that pleasant in raids 💀

[honest trail]

Wat

[pale lava]

I'm genuinely asking

[honest trail]

Remove addons and you'll be fine

👀

[agile sorrel]

Bis list is outdated data on retail, just sim yourself give overall best result

[remote bobcat]

a 7800x3d is one of the best cpus for wow and you'd replace it with a cpu which is better for wow, but not a lot better. A 7800x3d is really fucking good for wow and wow doesnt give a fuck about gpu's so you're not bottlenecking yourself you're unironically just fucking your fps elsewhere

[pale lava]

I barely run any addons, my fps is somewhat fine in raid but I'd like to consistently have it at over 100

[bitter palm]

not sure how much a 9950x3d would help over the 7800x3d

[honest trail]

Was a joke

[remote bobcat]

9950x3d over 7800x3d in wow context is gaining like 5 fps

[honest trail]

Idk if have a weaker configuration and no issue at 60

[pale lava]

wtf is it really that small of a gain?

[bitter palm]

i mean lowk i dont think it's possible to have good fps if ure running something like 30 man raids

[unreal onyx]

Especially early into the addon the optimisation is bad

[remote bobcat]

dude you have one of the best cpus on the market what are we talking about here

[bitter palm]

but 20 man should be fine

[pale lava]

since 9950x3d is "new", I thought the gain would be bigger

[bitter palm]

if u want to upgrade get a 9850x3d instead i dont think wow can utilize all those cores

[remote bobcat]

its like 8% better

in single core speed its 19% better

so in wow context thats like 5 fps

👍

[pale lava]

yeah that wouldn't be of much help lmao

[remote bobcat]

its like

you use elvui?

get fucked fps

type shii

all of the vibecoded ui addons

they rip fps

30 man raids rip fps compared to 20man

[bitter palm]

isnt elvui fine now idk i didnt notice drops on my 7800x3d when using atrocity ui

[remote bobcat]

elvui is better but not fine no

[pale lava]

yeah we ran some splits on alleria hc last night and my average was 60 fps

[bitter palm]

yeah that's wow

[pale lava]

really?

[bitter palm]

yeah

[remote bobcat]

WoW has shit optimization

[pale lava]

you're actually telling me that 60 fps is a "lucky case"?

LOL

[bitter palm]

for me personally as long as i have more than 20 its good

[pale lava]

alright, I trust you guys, that's why I asked here, tyvm for all the replies

so there's no way to squeeze out more sadly?

[bitter palm]

9850x3d would get you more fps for sure

but idk how much

[pale lava]

yeah unless I gain like a noticeable amount, it wouldn't be worth the money

[remote bobcat]

add 19% on 60 fps

[pearl sequoia]

get a nasa computer for 70 fps if u want more

[remote bobcat]

cuz wow utilizes single core speeds more than anything else

[bitter palm]

9850x3d has to be a lot more than 19

[remote bobcat]

9950x3d has 19% more single core speed than the 7800x3d

[bitter palm]

look at 9850x3d

[remote bobcat]

the 7800x3d is probably one of the most optimized processors of all time

[pastel bronze]

im having issues with spell queuing inside haste and cooldowns, any tips?

[pale lava]

I'll see you in a few years after I study enough to get into NASA, gonna embrace that grindset

[bitter palm]

amds best cpu ever

maybe even best cpu ever in general

[remote bobcat]

if 9950 gets ~5fps then the 9850 gets 8 ish fps (not too sure)

definitely better at playing wow yea

but i wouldnt upgrade from a 7800x3d

[bitter palm]

9950x3d2 waiting room

[bitter palm]

tbf thats nothing even at 60 fps

8 fps is meaningless

[remote bobcat]

yea

kinda

[pale lava]

sadly true, I thought I could get more

unlucky

[remote bobcat]

I wont lie it's mostly about wow being wow and also about what addons you use

if you played wow for a long time then your WTF folder causes you to drop at least 15 fps

if youve never cleared it

like simple shit like that can ruin fps

[pale lava]

won't that incinerate all my UI settings ?

[remote bobcat]

correct

all settings, really

think about it this way

every setting and every variation of settings you ever had

[bitter palm]

if u arent hard freezing its good 👍

[remote bobcat]

for every addon you ever downloaded

ever

is stored

and actively parsed through

by your addons

[pale lava]

nah never, just averaging at 60 fps

[bitter palm]

and tbh in wow u dont need high fps

[pale lava]

game runs so well in dungeons though, at least I have that going on for me

[bitter palm]

and this is coming from someone on a 360hz tn

[pale lava]

does fps affect input lag?

[bitter palm]

not sure but input lag doesnt matter in wow

all ur inputs are queued anyway

[potent thicket]

Anyone using elvui and other cdm addons? I got a blizzard castbar stuck in the center and i can't get rid of it :<<

[pale lava]

ah, so me using the nvidia + reflex boost has been pretty much useless?

[pearl sequoia]

as warriors we're born with that natural intellect

shouldnt be that hard

[split moon]

is there an guide what i should catalyst first for t-set?

[pale lava]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-christian-bale-pucker-up-pucker-ooh-gif-4705397

[pale lava]

as long as you get 4p, it doesn't really matter as after that you will be dropping catalyst charges from raids/M+ and bountiful delves caches

[remote bobcat]

yes but no. Fps ruins input lag once it goes below a certain threshold. Rule of thumb is that if your fps goes below 5x your input buffer settings then you might start to see gcds getting eaten

[bitter palm]

i mean its free so why not. prolly not very useful but it's free less input lag

[pearl sequoia]

head and shoulders are haste mast but yea just 4pc then u get cata charges out the wazzoo

[dull gale]

rampaging ruin or massacre for m+ 🤔

[sly pasture]

is there any resource that talks about how to play each raid fight as a war? e.g. where to hold CDs for certain things, where best to position

[pale lava]

is the input buffer settings the spellqueue window?

[pale lava]

I see, tyvm

[pale lava]

Critcake usually has videos on bosses

[pearl sequoia]

u dont play rampaging ruin

its against tos

[remote bobcat]

i wouldnt use nvidia reflex boost personally. I use an amd gpu myself but many of my guildies have had complaints of lag using reflex boost. Not sure why tho.
There's also a steam application that artificially boosts your fps, its called lossless scaling, you can look it up on youtube

[remote bobcat]

yes

[pale lava]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IR0moz7lyfw - yeah he has a video on heroic crown

[pale lava]

I currently have it at 250 but I guess I should do some deep dive into research as to which would be the efficient value to set it at

[pale lava]

gonna look this up now

[pearl sequoia]

dks grripping on top of the adds is so huge

[pale lava]

parsing in this raid is all about getting to hit the adds first most of the time

[pearl sequoia]

pretty much on that boss

cant let the ranged get any dam

[pale lava]

for example on dragons, in our splits, the orbs die before they even get to stack together

[remote bobcat]

i cant wait for wcl to remove adds from like 7 fights

[pale lava]

parsing aside, this raid has been really fun though

[remote bobcat]

this raid has been significantly better than manaforge

god manaforge was awful

[pearl sequoia]

wouldnt be opposed to removing adds on last boss p1, u can rlly pad if u go to the last main ad your group will kill with a dks gripping on top to stack dam increase, just eat it all up by yourselves - but this is heroic so, hopefully mythic u actually need to play as a team

[granite crown]

Do you run any of AMD's functionality? Anti-lag or whatever

[remote bobcat]

No I don't. Most of AMD's performance increasing software settings benefit multi core and multi threading processes, they didnt do anything for WoW in my stresstests, they dropped my fps by an average of 2 even

but I recommend you test it out yourself

[ruby thicket]

do we know how often we'll get a catalyst charge this season?

[remote bobcat]

once you get 4piece, you get random catalyst drops from raid

so its kinda infinite once u have 4p

you have 1 catalyst charge rn by existing, you get 1 catalyst charge by hitting 1.6k pvp rating or i think 2k m+ rating after reset

and then i think its 1 charge every 2 weeks

[ruby thicket]

every 2 weeks, got ya. ty

[earnest topaz]

isnt it either? like 2k mythic+ or 1.6 in pvp?

[remote bobcat]

yea

thats what i said

[earnest topaz]

oh yeah i cant read

[granite crown]

OR aotc

[earnest topaz]

sry

1 braincell as a warri u know the drill

[agile sorrel]

and aotc is the unreleased raid atm no ?

[remote bobcat]

its prolly crown of the cosmos aotc

[sullen dove]

Midnight falls only

[granite crown]

Yeah it's Midnight falls, last boss of unreleased raid.

Not Crown

[pearl sequoia]

thats why ppl have been doing pvp

only way to get the cata charges this week

[void rose]

whats with all the pvp?

[radiant plank]

catalyst charge this week

[granite crown]

Also socketed crafted gear if you've got nothing to do

[void rose]

is 2 catalyst charges max this week?

[flat river]

Yes

[shrewd pebble]

is there any rotation videos i can check boys ?

[digital mauve]

How much pvp is needed ?

[blissful hound]

1.6k rating

[fading sky]

ah but not rly worth hunting yet

[blissful hound]

Im already gaming 4p

Dragons will be fun tmr

[dense elbow]

Big

Now you can turn off pieces to raid mog pieces

[midnight mason]

I feel like I've read the guides up and down for Fury, but my dps still sucks 🙁

[fading sky]

hmm

[rare garnet]

probably thinking too much

[fading sky]

i mean uptime matters

[rare garnet]

just zug

[fading sky]

yes ZUG and pree BT on cd

[midnight mason]

I'm spamming Rampage and Bloodthirst when they're up, hitting Thunderclap, executing on Sudden Death etc. Just seems like I can't pump as Mountain Thane or Slayer in keys and raid

[torn vault]

Focus the adds and not the boss

[dense elbow]

Well, depends, your dps will look kinda weak on ST. Only part we look strong thanks to pad, is short lived pad

[signal falcon]

If you have raid logs people might be able to give you some more targeted advice

[midnight mason]

I do have logs, who wants to take a look?

[unreal onyx]

#1347646810457636974

[dense elbow]

Not really, but you can throw it in #1347646810457636974

If noone looked in by the time I get home, I will go in and say #dps-faq

[dense elbow]

Ilvl check

[light tapir]

Have you tried sideways

[unreal onyx]

Very bad

I think 254 or smthn

[ruby venture]

does somebody know if t11 delves grant more exp and rep compared to t8?

[unreal onyx]

But I already got the heroic paladins weapon

[glossy mirage]

have you guys seen latest crit or biz video?, whats the addon that shows that no leap text with timer ?

[viral urchin]

This was my issue, when i started going ham on all the adds my dps went through the roof. Forget about the boss and beat those trash mobs man, even critters you see, fuck em up

[reef vapor]

various QOL addons do that, crit uses ItruliaQOL

[dense elbow]

253 you get to lead for now

[remote bobcat]

@mossy fox

[stark rune]

Morning everyone, i got a really quick question. I've seen in most guides that we have to prioritize mastery and haste, but last week when i had higher crit my dps in raid was better

Are we still prioritizing those 2? i have 0 parts of the set

[remote bobcat]

what you're refering to is variance

[stark rune]

i'm going Slayer for ST in raid

[remote bobcat]

we also dont prioritize stats in the classic wow type of way

we go on raidbots.com and we sim our character

[void rose]

Is it worth recrafting weapon to 272!

?*

[remote bobcat]

recraft to myth after reset, dont waste hero crests

[lime vortex]

Save cds for pad when you get blamed for it just say "I pad so the rest can focus more on ST, I take one for the team"

[elfin harbor]

Which spec do you guys recommend for the delve boss on ?? 🙂 got it first try to 30% but must say the small bugs are hard with slayer 😮

[unreal onyx]

Hoooly you are slacking more than me

[remote bobcat]

prot

[rare garnet]

is the single target in the room with us right now?

[oblique thistle]

Understandable. Personally, im going warlock

[hardy vault]

with better tracked bar or arc ui, my enrage bar sometimes "dissapear" whereas i'm still enraged, i'm the only one ?

[cerulean edge]

Random Interpose question - is it supposed to absorb 30% of damage up to 75K from EACH ally in range or is that 75K the total upper cap of damage I'm supposed to be able to absorb?

[elfin harbor]

ya right 😄 2nd try was 14'% i guess is stay on slayer 😄 just save some cds and im fine 😄

[blissful hound]

The latter

But the absorbed damage can also be mitigated so in theory you can take way more

Otherwise you would be able to oneshot yourself

[remote bobcat]

read this #updates-midnight message

[mossy fox]

Itruliaqol

[elfin harbor]

Doesnt change the fact that i want to do it as fury 🙂

[cerulean edge]

I think it may be bug then, because I did just one shot myself with it 🤣

[blissful hound]

Im very certain 30% is the upper limit in total

[blissful hound]

lmfao

[south kayak]

lmao

[blissful hound]

Did they break it at some point or what

[cerulean edge]

Lesson learnt. Fuck my raid team, my life is more important haha

[blissful hound]

Oh its only 20% of your hp even

But yeah this shouldnt happen regardless

[remote bobcat]

god i hate lateral raises

[digital mauve]

You think in Mythic when packs will live longer we will lose our dps pads?

[blissful hound]

One of the best exercises imo

[remote bobcat]

i hate the shoulder burn and it feels like i have less control no matter how much i do it and i even got multiple trainers to improve my form

like

i hate em

[blissful hound]

Do you do them with dumbbells?

[remote bobcat]

I prefer dummbell lateral raises over cables

personally

[blissful hound]

We have a seated machine for lateral raises

Its so goated

[remote bobcat]

o shit

we dont

damn

im gonna mention that to the owner

[blissful hound]

Versatile handles so you can move fairly freely

100% idiot proof I swear

[remote bobcat]

I guess thats gonna help me with the control aspect

wont change the fact that i hate shoulder burn

lolol

[blissful hound]

This one https://gym80.us/product/4325-pure-kraft-shoulder-lateral-raise-dual/

Incredibly good one

[remote bobcat]

thanks stjpa

[radiant plank]

Shoulder burn

wym

like

the PAMP

[blissful hound]

triceps pump >>>>>

[fading sky]

machines can do a nice job to force u into a good movement

[radiant plank]

Lat pump

[blissful hound]

I dont like training back that much ngl

[mild thunder]

Leg extensions kill me more than any other lift.

[blissful hound]

Leg curls for me

Extensions are hella chill

[brittle crow]

i need to get a routine but im a dum dum

[mild thunder]

Leg curls aren't bad at all for me. Machines are just usually not very comfortable for me doing them.

[heavy dock]

does anyone know if u can share better cooldown manager profiles?

[dense elbow]

Historically speaking, the pad remains, but is removed from logs - and then we tumble down the tier lists with no change to the class

[balmy maple]

Returning player here. Having difficulty lining Bladestorm up with add phases in the new raid. Wondering whether or not Slayer is really all that much better than Mountain Thane in raid. Does anyone play Mountain Thane in Raid? Having Thunderclap to apply rend and getting Avatar just feels a lot better than getting a Bladestorm that never lines up right

[dense elbow]

Just play Thane if you prefer, both specs perform alright on the fights

[obtuse palm]

Thane seems to perform better on most fights in raid, according to logs

[ashen swallow]

I've found bladestorm lines up pretty well with add phases on most fights, but it is annoying when you sometimes don't get enough execute procs to reset bladestorm's cooldown in time

[silent trail]

Quick question regarding loot spec: difference between Prot and Fury is only the weapon slot and some trinkets amirite?

[ashen swallow]

I might try thane more next raid

[dense elbow]

I mean, when it looks like this:

we can safely say both specs currently do just fine

over time we might see one of them go on top, but as is, the data says "meh"

Also. critcake be slacking, I only spotted him once

[balmy maple]

I haven't done a lot but it feels like it lines up poorly more often than not. Maybe I'm just unlucky with procs but I'm not a fan of having my big multi target CD in lady lucks hands

[dense elbow]

It is what it is, this is what the ppl wanted, it is what the ppl get - is it better to never have it line up due to a static CD, or to have it some times line up thanks to CDR? You can decide that yourself

[ashen swallow]

If I know an add phase is coming in the next 30 seconds or so I'll hold off on using it, but otherwise I've been able to more or less use bladestorm on cd. It's only the first week though so most people are still learning the fights and when to use things

[fleet heath]

what do we want our potion of reck to proc? haste or mast? or should i just be using topgear with potion and forget about stats

[balmy maple]

Fair

[digital mauve]

Yeah but in the dps détails we will still be on the top classes?

[flat burrow]

is it bad that i just smash rampage on CD for the 100% uptime or is the overcapping big dps loss?

[dense elbow]

https://giphy.com/gifs/RobertsSpaceIndustries-star-citizen-starcitizen-always-has-been-090EX1YvSUXxy23Tty

[tight roost]

rampage doesn't have CD 🤔

[dense elbow]

Dont be an arse, ya know what he meant - also, ya dont use it on CD, you use it following the prio list

check #dps-faq for the prio list in written form

short version: You want to keep some rage in the pool, to make the chance for a dead GCD/enrage-falloff lessened. Yet you dont want to overcap. So spend your rampage in the 100-120 rage window on avg

[flat burrow]

Thank you! first day of playing warrior i was looking at prio list and watching videos, but i wanted to be sure 🙂

[fading sky]

Tbh

Thane is better

Most fights

Dps is so even

[dense elbow]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/46?class=Warrior&spec=Fury&metric=bossdps

Lier

Slayer simply is better

[heavy dock]

by 2k? ;v

but it means playing slayer.. yuck

[dense elbow]

2k this early is the same as being 1billion DPS ahead last season

it is over

All slayer now

[heavy dock]

all i want is to clap

[verbal steppe]

I want to do more than 40k dos

[heavy dock]

cheeks, thunders and whatnot

[verbal steppe]

Dps

[grand vale]

thane still better in delves?

or also slayer

[dense elbow]

Yes

Also, prot

[vague copper]

Prot is...

[grand vale]

prot in delves or prot thane?

[vague copper]

https://tenor.com/view/indeztv-indez-faceroll-indez-faceroll-keyboard-roll-gif-21390062

[grand vale]

It kinda feels like it

[dense elbow]

Answer to all your questions about delves is this:
"Yes"

you can do whatever you want

it is delves

Go sword and board arms warrior, get that fighter fantasy out there

then swap to a bow and shoot some mobs as Valeria tannks

noone will stop you

[grand vale]

nice

a great addon to return to ngl

[heavy dock]

valeera will just execute 10 mobs back to back at 35% hp with no cooldown while u stare in awe at her doing 3x your dps

shes such a crackhead compared to brann

id understand if she was lvl 45 and did this but she was doing this at lvl 14 xD

[grand vale]

i had a dc midfight and returned to a sleeping valeera

she killed everyone and got bored

[heavy dock]

she goes asleep if u afk yea

just like brann lul

[grand vale]

I know, i just thought, maybe i‘d die, you know

[dense elbow]

dying in delves requires effort

[grand vale]

sadly there‘s no cloth str armor

[dense elbow]

To this day, I dont know why you got lives and bonus lives in that content

[grand vale]

for extra fun

[heavy dock]

charge into the 3 dogs nemesis pack at a tier 11 and its not that much effort to die xD

[dense elbow]

The trio dogs kill ppl?

how

[heavy dock]

they are the most dangerous thing in delves yes

rupturing bite hurts

they bloodlust themselves

[dense elbow]

https://giphy.com/gifs/no-ji6zzUZwNIuLS

[heavy dock]

if u can burst em quick and sutn they arent an issue

[dense elbow]

I just killed em, got my nemesis +1

[heavy dock]

just saying undergeared and no cooldowns they might be an issue

but i only played prot in delves so idk

[dense elbow]

Oh, we doing the whole: "To support my argument, in this case, you will be naked, only wear a stamina trinket and only use blood thirst"

[heavy dock]

no, they genuinely hurt

compared to any other nemesis mob

and any mob in general

in delves

[dense elbow]

Ah so: "To support my argument, in this case, the baseline of effective damage will be the same as a mild breeze, and compared to that this is a giant leap up!"

got ya

[heavy dock]

what are u even typing anymore kitty xD

[rare garnet]

kitty hungry needs to eat

[grand vale]

he‘s really strong

got it

strong warrior is strong

[heavy dock]

and this is prob from back when delves were actually hard in tww, before they got balanced

nowadays with how op valeera is, delves are a big pushover

[dense elbow]

https://giphy.com/gifs/cat-bed-wake-up-under-sheet-j4FTt7knh8w4YyzbuM

[heavy dock]

and all the systems added

[dense elbow]

u wrong

[heavy dock]

https://tenor.com/view/lick-milk-sugar-glider-lick-milk-bluging-monster-eyes-gif-13971723101848704461

[grand vale]

Glad to see this dc still exists 10 years later

archim is probably also way past his 30s now lol

iirc he was already active on elitistjerks back in bc

[smoky wraith]

quick DUMB question fellas : if i press rampage at 95 rage because i dont wanna press raging blow am i stupid or is that okay ? since we wanna use rampage at 100 rage and above ish ? ty!

also raging blow feels ass

[tired bane]

Ass filler, yeah

[grand vale]

it‘s all but raging tbh

[tired bane]

I cannot find enough binds to add RB fluently

[smoky wraith]

okay so pressing rampage at 90-100 is fine then rather press that then rb

[grand vale]

what? doesnt fury only have like 5 spells

[tired bane]

Main bar is BT - exe - throw - rend - RB - WW

Mouse have ramp

[glossy mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/the-goat-gif-4115569673926897153

Thanks crit

[dull gale]

is berserk even interesting to track?

[deft palm]

Its always best to press wrecking throw and rend before raging blow but during cooldowns you always press crushing blow after BT Execute and Rampage right

[candid falcon]

Its a slight gain i think

outside of CDs

[hushed walrus]

Do you guys have sometimes an error on your enrage bar like you press bloodthirst or bloodbath and the countdown of enrage disappears ?

[digital mauve]

Sooo nerf tomorow or nah?

[smoky nacelle]

nada tomorrow, not till .5

https://www.wowhead.com/news/datamined-class-changes-for-midnight-12-0-5-ptr-build-66527-380876

[sterile dagger]

i using default cdm, and it happens there often - where enrage buff disappears, but i still enranged - cause i see it in buffs - which make me giga confused

[hushed walrus]

Ok thx yeah i got a lot of error lua and this is very frustrating

[digital mauve]

That's old news

We should get some news today before reset tomorrow for NA

[median marsh]

the 10% buff is already active or after this reset?

[smoky wraith]

btw do we really only have enraged regen in Slayer ST build ?

[brittle crow]

yes

everywhere else it's a dps loss

if you really want it, replace massacre with it

[smoky wraith]

but that means i cant stand in shit anymore ... 🙁

[brittle crow]

the raids are pretty good about not making me stand in shit tbh tbh

i dont even feel like i need to anymore

[silent trail]

Is there any difference between prot and Fury loot table besided weapons?

[brittle crow]

tank trinkets

they do exist this tier iirc

[solar wasp]

Guys what do you use to see enrage/ww stack/ avatar/ apex since weakaura is down?

[brittle crow]

default blizz offering is fine imo once u get used to it

ww stack icon, enrage bar

avatar just gets tracked on the icon itself i did that even with weakauras

[median marsh]

when rage is 80 - rempage highlight, but we need to use it around 100 rage according to wowhead rotation ghuide, is there any way to make it "apper" on that amount of rage in the first place?

[brittle crow]

apex doesn't need to be tracked, you don't play around it

[obsidian niche]

There's an addon someone around here made called Improved Whirlwind Tracker for whirlwind stacks

[brittle crow]

i like minimizing addons where possible but that's a me thing

makes it easier to have a unified ui between specs and classes imo

[spiral ridge]

I take it on cosmos tbh just to be safe

[rare garnet]

who needs a unified UI when all you play is warrior

[obsidian niche]

I get what you're saying, but blizz tracker removes iww stacks when the animation finishes, vs the addon which removes them when you push the button. The extra time makes it feel smoother and a bit more time to reack.

[rare garnet]

i still cant believe blizz removes the stack on the last hit of ramp... what a fucking decision

visually, im sure if it removed instantly you just wouldn't get cleave on the rest of the hits and they just dont know how to fix that

[brittle crow]

🔥

small indie company

[echo rapids]

Based on warrior feedback we have removed the ability to track IWW stacks…

[coarse nest]

I’d quit

Actually

[brittle crow]

i barely track them as it is

i know we're warrior mains but im sure u can all count to 4

[rare garnet]

nope

cant do

get lost after 2

[echo rapids]

Thane is the best because you can ignore them and usually be ok

[coarse nest]

Yeah because I want to count to 4 2000 times in a dungeon

[brittle crow]

flashback to bfa when we didn't play with meat cleaver

[coarse nest]

:pantsgrab:

[merry scaffold]

Are there any websites or add-ons that could take a training dummy fight and analyze it? I know of WoWAnalyzer but as far as I can see thats boss logs, but something like that would be great.

[brittle crow]

u were counting to TWO

[remote bobcat]

you can also log training dummy fights

[brittle crow]

we have fleshlings here who can do it

and you can post a log

#1347646810457636974

[obsidian niche]

Log the fight and use a site to break it down and analyze it

[merry scaffold]

^ that's what I'm trying to figure out lol. But good to know I can log a training dummy so I shall keep playing with it

[brittle crow]

what i do is just do a no buffs sim and see if i can get close enough to matching it

it's real bad for ur ego sometimes

[merry scaffold]

Im just bottoming out every fight for DPS. I dont even mind being kicked because of it, just upset that this spec isn't that complicated yet my brain isn't processing something lol

[remote bobcat]

yea dawg send logs into #1347646810457636974 and people will take a look

[brittle crow]

sounds like ur doing something fundamentally wrong rotationally, which isnt the most helpful thing to say but

how long have you stared at the rotation guide on wowhead

it's my main resource

[merry scaffold]

I'll post the logs in the thing, WoW analyzer has helped a lot too. I definitely know of some things I 100% can work on but surface level Im not connecting the dots on my little errors adding up to such a massive dps loss

[digital mauve]

On the raid which boss are we unable to pad on?

[fading sky]

We shall.

When mythic hits

[brittle crow]

the raid lead boss

[remote bobcat]

none

[brittle crow]

can always pad if permitted

[echo rapids]

Never not be padding

[digital mauve]

So when mythic will be released, fury will be on the lower end of the chart since adds are no longer considered for logs ?

What about the dps meter ?

[remote bobcat]

what

yea so listen

we expect wcl to take out some adds

but they havent been removed yet afaik

the thing is

we will be lower on damage because we have a dogshit tier set

similar to ww monk

also when we say we expect them to remove some adds from parses, that's weeks into the future, not this reset

[digital mauve]

So middle of the chart ? That's good no since it will save us from a nerf by having too much attention ?

But m'y question is : logs asides, when mythic hors and looking at the dps meter, we should still be good on the meter right ? Just that our score logs may suffer drastically into the future because of add removal for logs score ?

[remote bobcat]

some specs like sub rogue gain 11% dmg while fury gains like 3-4%. Tbh we do gain aoe tho so you can expect to be on the higher end of the middle

[grand vale]

Is that current raid bosses?

[coarse nest]

It sucks that vanguard keeps arms above the bottom

[remote bobcat]

Some adds being removed doesn't remove your damage. It means that they're simply not counted in the calculation of your parse.

That means we are going to avoid aoe and focus more on single target because padding is useless.
Do you understand that or?

[remote bobcat]

yes

[remote bobcat]

very

[rare garnet]

no reason to remove adds from logs as the adds need to die, long live the pad

[remote bobcat]

tell that to ulgrax and rashanan

[coarse nest]

Forget that remove all adds from logs so we can focus on boss damage which is what actually matters

And also require all wizard specs to have their aoe buttons in their single target rotation

HAH rekt nerds

[sly radish]

If they do that the boss will never die because no one will attack the adds

[remote bobcat]

no some specs naturally aoe them down

like ww monk

[fading sky]

Thane

Clappa

[coarse nest]

That’s why you do the second mention of that take

[fading sky]

Bladestorn🤣

[coarse nest]

:wesmart:

[remote bobcat]

good meme thegokke

brew u should make this your pfp

[fading sky]

We could use another 5-6k dmg bump tbh

St

[coarse nest]

Jarvis fire up the bass cannon

[zinc hazel]

what herotalent for m+?

[remote bobcat]

mountain thane

[sly radish]

Ah yes bladestorm. That mighty spell that does Zdps and lasts 2 seconds

[coarse nest]

I could I like iron man, what’s the context

[zinc hazel]

and what stats 🙂

[fading sky]

Haste-mastery

But for now ilvl and sims

[echo rapids]

What’s the sim yo self meme command?

[coarse nest]

I feely crafted all haste/mastery/Crit gear and droptimizer can’t find an m0 upgrade besides using a catalyst charge

[remote bobcat]

🤷‍♂️

[coarse nest]

[low folio]

m0s are weekly lockouts still right?

[remote bobcat]

no

daily

been daily all week

[low folio]

oh shit

ive been badly misinformed lol

missed out on a lot of loot

[remote bobcat]

dont count on guildies and dont ever count on non-cutting edge players in #fury

[low folio]

well i kinda just assumed it was the same as it used to be honestly. i only asked because i noticed my dungeon journal was showing like i hadnt done the bosses yet

[remote bobcat]

Ah.

[low folio]

now i see how so many people are just casually 10 ilvls higher than me lol

[coarse nest]

Sleep well knowing that champ gear you “missed” will be invalidated tomorrow when you can farm 3/6 hero gear

[remote bobcat]

^

[low folio]

ya im not super upset about it

[hallow cipher]

is the ring set from nexus point decent for fury ?

[coarse nest]

The problem with them is the vers stat

If I’m thinking of the right set

[stiff carbon]

For solo players, that champ gear is a prereq for getting that hero hero gear

[remote bobcat]

lol no

its haste mast and crit haste

[coarse nest]

Ah sweet I’m thinking of the ring from seat then mb

[coarse nest]

I mean yeah that’s true we’ll pretty much be like 255-260 ilvl out of the gate if we get a good vault

[remote bobcat]

^very true

[coarse nest]

I’m 257.5ish right now with no hero crests spent 😆

[remote bobcat]

to answer the question - yes the set is good

[unreal onyx]

so we spending all champ/vet crests now?

[remote bobcat]

ye

[hallow cipher]

thanks 🙂

[remote bobcat]

no reason not to

[coarse nest]

I also did not farm M0s this week just the 8 required for full vault

[unreal onyx]

W, ty

I got 180 to spend still

[coarse nest]

Send it

[unreal onyx]

I only spent hero crests on my weapon

[coarse nest]

Prioritize using vet first so you can start with 2/6 champ pieces

Its efficient

[coarse nest]

Oof my condolences

[unreal onyx]

I dont have any vet left

[wise wren]

Do you guys actually get the single target dps you sim for? 251 ilvl and my single target DPS is like 40k??

[remote bobcat]

oh no..

[remote bobcat]

why???

[coarse nest]

Uh ohhh

Huston

[remote bobcat]

you get to upgrade the weapon for free once you craft myth weapon

[unreal onyx]

well

[coarse nest]

He’ll just need hero crests one more week after us no big deal in the long run

[unreal onyx]

I might not be the smartest fella

[coarse nest]

Sucky week 1 though

[remote bobcat]

its fine it barely matters

[coarse nest]

Get those rank ones this week

Now’s your shot!

[unreal onyx]

I did not take into consideration that you only need 1 weap to save crests now

[coarse nest]

[remote bobcat]

you only deleted 80 hero crests its okay

[wise wren]

But you are a fart smeller xD

[remote bobcat]

the same applied throughout all of TWW

[coarse nest]

Wait you’re not?

[quiet osprey]

i like how 90% of situations boil down to "who cares, eh?"

[coarse nest]

[chilly plume]

i spent hero on tier legs & weapon i greeded the instant gratification

[hallow cipher]

https://klipy.com/gifs/huh-208

[unreal onyx]

my journal still says I have 20 more than I can have

[coarse nest]

TLDR since reading sucks, do not spend hero crests on any item that is not 3/6 or higher

Excluding the weapon from raid because you craft that at myth ilvl

[unreal onyx]

TiL

[steel shard]

is our tier set really good

[remote bobcat]

2/6 but yea

[steel shard]

or is this class just binned

[remote bobcat]

our tier is ass

[steel shard]

ait bet

no dps warrior this raid tier then

prot warr angle

[fast mural]

4% was it

[remote bobcat]

3-4%

but

but

[unreal onyx]

at least I now have a weapon appearance 0.004% of players have

[remote bobcat]

our tier set lets us pad

so 🤷‍♂️

[coarse nest]

Oh yeah I fat fingered haha

[fast mural]

DKs is also pad

and more %

[remote bobcat]

jarvis, insert brainchip into brews brain so he doesnt have to type with his fingers anymore

[fast mural]

our tier is gonna be insane on dragon adds

[coarse nest]

Mobile boss stg

[spring lantern]

It'll be insane when we swap to arms for paladins too...

[calm dock]

can you not see stuff like buff uptime in the Blizz dps meter like you can in details or skada?

[unreal onyx]

well now im 256.06 ilvl

good enough

[fast mural]

at least fury tier set isnt just completly passive it does give us more odyns furys

[coarse nest]

@remote bobcat Holup bro isn’t 266 hero 3/6? drops from +10

[wise wren]

What single target DPS are you guys doing around 251 Ilvl?

[coarse nest]

Am I delulu

I mean yes but more than usual?

[remote bobcat]

i did not take that into consideration i tihnk ur right but who cares atp

[coarse nest]

3/6 crest spender gang

Fat finger W

[remote bobcat]

uhh like 70k or sum i dont remember

[calm dock]

maybe im missing smth but whats benefit of holding rampage til at like 90% rage instead of clikcing it when possible was reading the icy veins rotation but i just dont see the benefit

[remote bobcat]

maybe only like 65k

[remote bobcat]

optimizing rage

you dont want to waste rage and you also dont want to waste precious buttons like bloodbath

and bloodthirst

[wise wren]

What do you sim at? I sim at 60k with no tier pieces but am only doing like 40k on solely single target fights

[remote bobcat]

the sweetspot was found to be rampage above 100 rage

last season it was rampage above 115 for example

[remote bobcat]

there is no pure ST fight in raid

so idk what ur smoking

[coarse nest]

Sim target dummy and then go attack target dummy for the same duration and compare

That’s your best bet

[remote bobcat]

also i sim smth above 70k

[wise wren]

Yes thats what I mean

I am simming and then fighting a raid dummy

[remote bobcat]

oh idk what my sim is for target dummy without raidbuffs

🤷‍♂️

[granite crown]

If you're at 80 rage and have BT available, pressing BT then Rampage leaves you with the same rage as Rampage then BT, but you have 1 global shorter CD on BT.

This applies to basically any class when you don't cap your resources.

[coarse nest]

Are you spamming rampage during reck?

[wise wren]

Using thane so during rec/avatar but yes as much rampage as I can

[native wadi]

What is this based graph? Totally different from mine

[steel shard]

boss damage

warrior is fucking bench tier this raid lmao

[native wadi]

Yeah bcs there are no adds to kill this tier right

We padding

[remote bobcat]

as always, warrior gets its one week of padding fame before the existance of tier sets ruins us

[native wadi]

Thane eats okeish

With the kind of padding we ll have

This raid

[steel shard]

melee is bad this tier as well

[native wadi]

We ll be fine

[remote bobcat]

thane stonks will go down by a shitton once ilvl increases

[steel shard]

like legit

i dont see warrior being played at all

[native wadi]

Melee is terrible

Warr is up there

In meles

We need tuning? Yes

We dooming? Just a bit

[coarse nest]

It’ll be ProtW/Brew season watch

[oblique thistle]

If i had a dime for every time I've heard someone say that in this discord I'd be a rich man

[native wadi]

12.0.5 could be potentially worse

Changes dont make no sense

[blissful hound]

Fury will be fine even in myth prog, just perhaps not played much in RWF

[quiet osprey]

what a happy day that will be, i dislike how much thane feels like a "caster" to me with all the lightning

[calm dock]

is there a way to easier track resources like rage in the blizzard UI or do have to download an addon for that? say if i wanted my rage to be more centrally tracked

[remote bobcat]

thane gains value in mythic due to low ilvl but heroic will be dominated by slayer I'd imagine, and then multiple weeks into mythic, slayer is going to take over there as well

[blissful hound]

idk I doubt that

Thane is barely behind Slayer in ST and almost every fight has some kind of aoe

[calm dock]

Thane is also more fun

[remote bobcat]

thane and slayer are already insanely close, make burst gain value due to adds dying even faster and you get slayer stonks no?

[coarse nest]

Yes and when the other players gain ilvl and evaporate the adds what’s better?

[oblique thistle]

You're entitled to your opinion even though its wrong

[blissful hound]

Does Slayer burst harder than Thane tho?

TB Rampage TB Rampage TC is pretty heavy

[remote bobcat]

yea

they wont live 3 gcds in some cases

in mythic yea but not heroic

[blissful hound]

In mythic? I doubt it

Especially in prog

[remote bobcat]

ok but bro

prog isnt what i meant

[oblique thistle]

Sure, but as brewjj said, when everyone has gear and adds get shit on instantly, what value are you bringing as slayer

[quartz plank]

is there ever a case to run

[remote bobcat]

not rly

[oblique thistle]

No

[sullen dove]

heck no

[coarse nest]

#fury message
btw to add to this upgrade all 3/6H to 4/6H before upgrading anything to 5/6H or 6/6H this lowers the chances of you looting a myth track item from vault/raid that would replace a 6/6hero

[blissful hound]

Fury has one of the better aoe bursts in the game so

[coarse nest]

@unreal onyx ^^

[quartz plank]

i figured it seems pretty bad

[remote bobcat]

wdym?

[coarse nest]

What part?

[south kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

[remote bobcat]

how does upgrading everything from 3/6 to 4/6 lower chance of looting myth track from vault or smth

ion rly get it

💯

[south kayak]

Hopefully nowhere near season 1 TWW burst

[coarse nest]

I’m saying you lower the risk of replacing a 6/6H item with a myth track item

By doing what I typed

[south kayak]

At least it's coming from just one ability (BS or TB)

[remote bobcat]

oh ye thats true

[coarse nest]

This is in the Lari guide in some shape or form iirc

[dense elbow]

With puzzlebox and pot, we can do half of what we did in TWW

[remote bobcat]

but tbh what most people do is just upgrade items we dont expect to replace and we dont upgrade items we expect to get replaced soon ™

[south kayak]

That's good

[remote bobcat]

i have bis trinket hero track

so i upgraded that shit

[south kayak]

Very little risk of nerfs

[dense elbow]

Gz, Kronzo

[remote bobcat]

heart of ancient hunger

ye

[undone flower]

Depends on target counts

[coarse nest]

Oo that one’s good

I’m hoping to get lucky with that

[remote bobcat]

thamks

[dense elbow]

Doubt they will nerf our AoE burst, it aint anything special. Also our ST stinks

[coarse nest]

But I think it’s contested in my split

[dense elbow]

so meh

our sustained AoE is alright tho

[south kayak]

They should buff our auto attack damage for ST

[dry furnace]

Is there any good whirlwind tracker out there? Ingame one feels turbo shite

[echo rapids]

The new upgrade track actually helps, as your 1/6 myth item will want to be in the slot of a 6/6 hero

[remote bobcat]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/iwt-improved-whirlwind-tracker-simplified

[remote bobcat]

yes but no

[coarse nest]

You won’t want to upgrade 1/6 myth pieces until enough weeks have gone by where you can max out your 6/6 hero items

[dry furnace]

Amazing, thanks!

[coarse nest]

To save myth crests and hit max ilvl faster

[undone flower]

Yes you need to not forget you need only 20 hero crest per item to do that myth saving trick

[coarse nest]

Be smart with your crests don’t fall prey to the instant gratification

[remote bobcat]

you dont want to waste crests so you hold the 3/6 hero item for example, you get a myth track item 1/6, then you equip it, so the hero track upgrades are free until 5/6, then you upgrade that with 20 hero crests to save 20 myth crests

thats the optimal case

[coarse nest]

Yes

Smartest smart

W

Lari guide reader in the chat

[dense elbow]

has been parroted so many times, even I know of it

[undone flower]

You are a good bird

[coarse nest]

Pvper spotted

[echo rapids]

Yep

[steel shard]

but padding is fucking bad

[coarse nest]

[steel shard]

it is legit shit for progress

other classes gain ST damage from aoe

will warrior gets fuck all

[echo rapids]

That’s a better way of describing it

[sullen dove]

like 2 other classes

[steel shard]

unless it has to die super quick like rashanan adds

warrior aoe is useless

[sullen dove]

rashanan adds have to die super quick? 😭

[echo rapids]

I just meant more than when you do eventually get a myth piece you at least get a benefit from already having a 6/6 hero

[steel shard]

i member

[sullen dove]

feel like they the same as these dragon orbs

completely useless pad

[steel shard]

once they made that fight ST only

[dense elbow]

Depends, if the raid builds around you doing the pad dam, then it gains dam letting others spec into straight up ST

[steel shard]

people where fucking wiping lmao

[undone flower]

Rash always was pad adds

[echo rapids]

But yeah you don’t want to push a hero item to 6/6 next week

[sullen dove]

yea but figure thats to the actual other boss mechs

adds i dont think did much of anything

[steel shard]

people BEGGED me to hold cds for adds

as the warrior

[remote bobcat]

tru

[steel shard]

they had to add the adds pack to the logs lmao

[remote bobcat]

yea the fuck they did swordish

they applied hella dota

dots

must kill priority

but removed from parses

[calm dock]

what does padding refer to?

[sullen dove]

[steel shard]

did you not hear what i said

some classes GAIN st damage

from doing aoe

[remote bobcat]

artificially boosting your damage by hitting something other than the main target

[dense elbow]

Adds gotta stay away from da boss tho

[quiet osprey]

funnel has always been a thing

[steel shard]

warrior has 0 funnel

[sullen dove]

yea not that many specs in the game do that tho

[steel shard]

it does "bad" aoe

[undone flower]

We don’t funnel yep

[sullen dove]

like 2-3 maybe ever

[quiet osprey]

yes yes, not for warrior, for other specs

[steel shard]

idk our damage profile is ass

atm

[remote bobcat]

bro BFA sub rogue funnel on Zul mythic

[steel shard]

shit boss damage

[quiet osprey]

as an argument to why not let the warrior aoe

[steel shard]

and just aoe pad

i dont see this class being viable top end

[unreal onyx]

so I am screwed essentially

[remote bobcat]

noob

[coarse nest]

Funnel damage is cool except for the fact that you need adds to do the damage

[undone flower]

Goober noob he is a screwer

[dense elbow]

Pad in context is gaining DPS hitting things that dont matter in the objective of killing the boss efficently. Pad can often be counterproductive too.

It is just a bad thing, but "fun on the meters"

[coarse nest]

Nah don’t sweat it

Just vibe with blinders equip

[unreal onyx]

at least I got this

[coarse nest]

Sick mog Hollyy

[quiet osprey]

shit looks sick

[sullen dove]

that is kinda aura tho wtf

[remote bobcat]

if ur ever unsure about upgrades, hit us up in dms dawg

and remember to never listen to non CE players

💯

[calm dock]

what addon yall use to track ur rage?

[steel shard]

it is 100% a prot warr angle

unless they buff our ST damage warrior is dead

[remote bobcat]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/senseiclassresourcebar

[unreal onyx]

I am CE player myself

[steel shard]

for the top end

[unreal onyx]

so I listened to one

[coarse nest]

Remember to never listen to non yellows

[remote bobcat]

ik

[unreal onyx]

and was wrong

[coarse nest]

[remote bobcat]

cope

u werent 100% sure

u took an educated guess

[undone flower]

Soredih is yellow now

[remote bobcat]

and ended up guessing wrong

[unreal onyx]

took the gamble and lost

life's a 50/50

[quiet osprey]

so what you're saying is trust no one

[coarse nest]

Don’t ever listen to my advice I full send yolo that shit

[calm dock]

thx

[remote bobcat]

only trust people when they are 100% sure

[coarse nest]

https://tenor.com/view/junevi-gif-18033834710861070581

[quiet osprey]

non-ce, ce, self, all the same shit

[dense elbow]

Well, that would be the best case scenario, means we more likely to get a buff than anything else

[upbeat cedar]

u can trust me bro

[dense elbow]

let us stay dead for the raid tier, then we get to be stronger for M+

[steel shard]

we 100% wont get buffed

just look at arms

[undone flower]

I doubt we get tuned more

[dense elbow]

120%

[steel shard]

it is the most obvious spec that needs a big buff

and it gets nerfed next patch

[slim coral]

Pretty sure they are scared of nerubar 2.0

[steel shard]

lmao

[remote bobcat]

Its not obvious because vanguard exists

[steel shard]

the easy fix is to just buff ST damage

and nerf meat cleaver

i dont get it

it is braindead to tune fury

[undone flower]

Yeah arms is weird bc dmg profile of raid

[coarse nest]

Vanguards gate keeping buffs damnit!!

[remote bobcat]

"see? Arms is fine!"

[slim coral]

Every ability you tune for st with fury effects aoe tho

[dense elbow]

10/10 facts

[remote bobcat]

[heavy galleon]

That's how Blizzard tune btw

[steel shard]

thats why i said you nerf meatcleaer

with it

like it is so fucking easy

[undone flower]

Pls don’t talk

[slim coral]

How would that fix it

[echo rapids]

Why wasn’t arms as good at soul hunters as it is at vanguard?

[slim coral]

Meat cleaver itself isn’t strong

[coarse nest]

Go back to 50% meatcleaver and bump ST abilities up by like 20% each or something

[heavy galleon]

Better to nerf bladestol and OF by 50% lel

[modest condor]

fury isnt even OP on 5 targets

[remote bobcat]

because shit got changed

and they spread out a lot

on top of that

[echo rapids]

Right but what specifically

[steel shard]

if you buff the abilities it works with it gets better wdym

[echo rapids]

True I guess

[steel shard]

so if you dont want that

for some reason

you just nerf meatcleaver with it

[dense elbow]

I dont believe MC will cause us too be too strong in any scenario at 65%

ngl

[coarse nest]

True actually

[steel shard]

defo not ye

[remote bobcat]

ur essentially asking for me to post the tuning but you can just scroll through #updates-midnight yourself

[slim coral]

I mean sure but fury has never been the best 5 target spec

Most of the time uncapped specs beat it at 5

[steel shard]

what i am saying is

[coarse nest]

Which is absurd btw

[steel shard]

fury warrior is easy as fuck to tune

and they still fuck it up

[coarse nest]

But wcyd

[steel shard]

which is crazy

that our ST damage is dogwater

[undone flower]

They should buff slayer strikes imo

And re add the s3 2p

[coarse nest]

I used to cope with the idea that maybe they just don’t want the Ungabunga spec to shine because of the simplicity but then we had BM last tier so idk wtf their issue is tbh

Make warrior crank

[native wadi]

They should buff rt nerf meat cleaver and aura buff

Man all specs are unga bumga

[heavy galleon]

But it's a good way they delete some AoE spell like dragon roar

[steel shard]

all specs are bungo bunga now yea lmao

[coarse nest]

[native wadi]

They just hate chad warr

With two big weaps

Too masculine for a game that wants to remove war from its name

[dense elbow]

Rename if "Peacekeeper"

[native wadi]

(Even if we have saved the world 81 times via wars)

[native wadi]

[coarse nest]

True and real

[undone flower]

Put back raft in Warcraft

[native wadi]

Rename if peacekeeper give us bigger weaps

[dense elbow]

To be fair, demons aint evil, so 99% of the wars have been unnessary... as they only were misunderstood

[remote bobcat]

does it feel frustrating when warrior is op compared to e.g. enahcne shaman in s1 ?

[dense elbow]

once Sargeras come back in the last titan, you will see

[quiet osprey]

peacekeeper = two guns

[remote bobcat]

s1 tww*

[dense elbow]

we were wrong not accept their help

[spare steppe]

The problem is when we feel OP early before tier and adds instantly die

And we’re balanced around the situation that won’t exist in 1 month

[remote bobcat]

this is the case for every class being op

except for bm hunter

ig?

[spare steppe]

Some start op and will stay op

[undone flower]

Yes

[spare steppe]

Our tier is just meh and feels like we are doing padding stm

[heavy galleon]

warrior is too much popular, and it's simple to play, so if it's too good, too many people will play it that's why they don't like warrior

[heavy galleon]

Remember DF tier set s1 😂

[undone flower]

I remember s1 tww bm was unplayable AoE tank dmg until .0.5

[spare steppe]

Explain ret then!

[sullen dove]

idk enhance was kinda op in m+ all of s1 last xpac no

[coarse nest]

I want OF BS burst back fk them wizards and their pad hogging selves

[sullen dove]

heehee i drop totem

[remote bobcat]

yea

and raid too

[sullen dove]

does 60 million damage

[remote bobcat]

very very op

no

no

before totem

stormbringer

tempest spam

and highest PI conversion too so they got pi

[dense elbow]

Stormbringer RNG fiesta of: I proc, proc, proc, I did 390 billion damage

[remote bobcat]

Tempest got nerfed then they went totemic and still topped charts

[heavy galleon]

Remember when warrior gladiator was doing more damage than us 😂

[remote bobcat]

the skill was minimizing rng

[dense elbow]

Meanwhile fury burst = dead

cause raid

[remote bobcat]

you stacked wolves perfectly for multiplicative buff stacking

cuz each tempest = wolf

[calm dock]

is there any real reason to even have heroic throw on your bar?

[sullen dove]

when u pushed off boss

is huuuuge damage

kappa

not really but idk still feels nice to

[remote bobcat]

you should always heroic throw when u get mechanic forcing u out of melee range

but where ur required to hold wrecking

[quiet osprey]

yes, to aggro during open world play because you lost your raid spot

[remote bobcat]

sometimes u can wrecking AND heroic throw

[undone flower]

I do bcc I’m used to press heroic throw as prot

[coarse nest]

Cba to keybind both

[undone flower]

Rend user ?

[remote bobcat]

brew we legit have zero keybinds

cmon

[coarse nest]

I will not have wrecking throw and heroic throw keybound at the same time

[south kayak]

Why do some of you have upside down names

[coarse nest]

No shot

[remote bobcat]

quirky

edgy

[coarse nest]

I do happen to rend yes

[undone flower]

Australian name

[coarse nest]

I enjoy rending filler ngl

It grew on me

[coarse nest]

Lmao 😂

[heavy galleon]

Tier set on war are always boring

[undone flower]

[heavy galleon]

I hated so much this BT boosting

[coarse nest]

Tier set all about Odyn’s Fury
Nerf it by about a morbillion