#fury
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Skill issue, dont you know swords are cooler
it still sims lower, im baffled
Pretty ok on aoe but too clunky for st I think
and just not the most perfect lineup with cds
More of an m+ trinket
I mean does anything align with our cds anymore
eh no but 2min think too far off
everything align now
Heart of wind is just a pretty good trinket
And reading nalorakk one doesn’t sound bad either
yeah but the other one i got
just that it’s capped at vet
u can maybe check uptime of it by doing a quick sim to see
mayber i should just try it out
If you want tho just do a 5target 5min sim and that should be a bit more accurate to puzzleboxes use in m+
lemme run that
might win out one of the two trinkets but also possible it doesn’t cuz idk more strength and haste are also good for aoe
even if it doesn’t win in 5tar tho if u do just want to run pbox you can since even the 5target sim isn’t like 1:1 how dmg is done in m+
using a trink on a big pull lets you have some downtime when walking to use it at the start of the next pull or two
true
on pull burst is def alot higher which is usually more desired in m+ rather than consistently higher dmg
Unless it’s the level of key that’s so high where you really are just beating on a giant pack for a minute or two straight and have little downtime between pulls
but woulmd you rather combo heart of wind + puzzle or puzzle + nalorak in m+ environment
prolly just whichever it says is 2nd best combo
Is it the right play to use hero crests to upgrade a crafted weapon to 272, or better to save them?
save
dont
dont use
But A) haste prolly feels better and B) nalorak trink only stops at vet so it’ll be replaced soon anyway
yeah okay, whats the idea behind not doing it? Just curious
aight thx for the info
you might be better of using them on other pieces of gear
instead of on a weap
You’d upgrade with myth next week assuming you can access them from +9 keys
that will be upgraded afterwards with other crests
And absolutely waste all the hero crests you put into it
you would end up wasting 60 hero crests
Makes sense
might aswell wait to use myth crestst for max level
thanks lads, saved me some hero crests
yea
There’ll might be some small breakdown next week of how to use hero crests or if there isn’t then ppl will probably be talking about it in here
Its there
and/or just following along with what Larias guide going over but tldr you shouldn’t spend any on anything below 3/6 hero minimum and doubly so not on pieces you might expect to replace with a myth item in the near future, such as avoiding upgrading slots the first boss or two in mythic might drop if you plan to do it
No
Like you know you will have a guaranteed mythic weapon so it’s a guaranteed waste
Other gear is more random from raid and m+ vault
Yea it’s prolly good to save like 20-40 hero’s week by week tho for any possible myth drops if u raid
As the hero upgrade helps with free mythic
if u have that small excess you can send it on the myth slot to save myth crests right away instead of waiting a week
but v unlikely to get more than 2 mythic items a week anyhow
unless omega high guild full funnels you maybe
prolly
We have so few marks
That id say upgrades will tsle a while
Wastin hc crests would be a big.mistake
Now more than ever
Hi guys, I wanted to ask what we as Fury are missing to be able to compete with stronger classes or what is our biggest problem in general right now? In some raids I see that Fury is holding up quite well, so will it be similar in M+?
pure st just pretty low
aoe pretty banging
should be plenty good in m+ maybe not like absolute top of the line but real comfortable
And m+ it is too much depending on certain classes not doing well or other doing good
Since at the end a meta comp is a comp of 5 char
Like prot war must not be good, as a big condition
Or arms ofc
So in m+ we should be gucci?
Idk what is gucci, I don’t really see fury being top, so it will be the same as always, fine
fine is good we bang
Yeah it’s fine as you will beat the shit out of everyone if you are a good fury, bc most ppl are bad
So we will benefit from the fact that others will be worse than us 
There are times whatever you do you will stink bc your spec, don’t preach illness to the poor pls
We benefit from thane being tuned close 2 slayer in st
And thane can do cleave dmg with little st loss
Now rest depends on mythic strats
Does parse go off damage done or buttons I’ve pressed?
Kek
Personally I preferred slayer to thane but there's nothing you can do about it
Same but thane does seem to fit better
I don’t like this version of slayer tbf
I do
I miss S3 2p sudden death giving slayer strike
12.05 fixes slayers st issues imho
But destroys sd reap so fuck en
Em*
Removing reap from bt is good
I will not delve very deep into ptr things
Idk, if they buff execute by 100% it is not, so idc about vague things so far in the future
Kindda is
That just makes thane better🤣
So thats doubtfull
I said a random thing to illustrate they can just buff a random slayer thing to invalidate the point
So what
It makes u wanna spam ww😄
Sure, I doubt we will spam ww
they gotta revert that 0.5 change
You gotta give me more infos to convince me
And rest of buttons carry their own weight
Ww ww ww ww ramp ww ww ww ww ramp… yeah peak gameplay
i think SD proccing reap is good
Current beta//alpha does
U can prob find pins of archie pointing it out
12.05 we prob do
you will spam ww in .5 though
We talk about ptr slayer / ww situation khazix
This rotation is pretty shocking to me.
Ww ww ww ww ww ramp ww ww ww ww
incoming WW CD
(Slayer) Reap the Storm now triggers when Whirlwind or Cleave hits 3 or more targets. Chance to trigger changed to 15% (was 20%).
Only from that now as fury
I mean he needs to show me the best AoE rotation in the ptr is spamming ww
Ofc if they just tune reap to do 0 dmg
Where he gets that certainty
hold
So, our trusted testers said so
That’s why I asked you to show me, I’m curious, I can be wrong, that’s why I’m asking
Can I use mimiron for the reap change ?
Dno tbh
But sd on reap i want it kept
Makes sd always good, regardless of situation as it should be
Yeah it was nice, I don’t have reap high in my heart tbf
I just got this guy from the raid. Any ideas on how I can jerry rig some shadow damage into my kit somewhere? Or is it just going to be a pretty necklace?
Its not as.much reap
As keepin sd value highest in any situation which reaps solves
Without turning 2 execute spam
Yeah idk, I pressed sd in any situation before that
But reap is good animation after an execute
Anyone know an addon that tells you when leap is on cd?
its beautiful
@shieldshot itrulia qol
Thanks!
boo this guy
Hate being shit
Having 0p
Did normal nuttin dropped
I got a cata though🤣
i got 2p from hc and pvped for the rest of the set : )
I did lfr - norm hc tuesday
Any log exports? I’ve been trying to figure out how possible it is for me to get a 95+ parse if I raid with not so great group. I average around 70 blue parse.
On our kills we constantly have 3-5 people dead or people who parse 5-10grey. Is it even possible to get an orange parse in this scenario? I really want to improve even more but wondering how much of that is out of my control. Anyone has a similar experience?
Heroic?
Normal
Mythic?
But simple answer is its harder, near impossible on some fights
On others its an adv
You want 95+ parsing logs in mythic?
Fights with massive downtime, yeah you can’t do shit about it, like first boss manaforge if your group didn’t skip all intermission, araz skip second thing
Parses on mythic carried by comp // and timers
Class type. Old school arms if ppl died at 35%.my parse better
Ilvl brother but im tierless

For once a first season tier gives me a little bit of hype
Is that a bad thing?
I mean season 1 dungeons are good
Got you. Thanks!
How can i get set pieces already?
How much pvping is required for it?
So what is a realistic parse to aim for in mythic?
1.6k in any rated pvp, i did solo bgs
Aye thanks
how long did it take? and how does it give set piece? just reward?
u get an extra catalyst charge if u reach 1.6k, took me like 3-4 hours, not that bad
guys how are you tracking your rage?
raid and 1600 in pvp
Hmm Idol of the war lowa, seems to be out simming vessel even with higher ilvl vessel? Yet Loa isnt even on trinket list?? 😛
Is it bugged or just better?
Seems to sort itself out at max ilvl nvm.
Do we know when do we get the next catalyst charge? I'd imagine in 2 weeks.
its normally every other week unless they changed it
Yeah , that's what I was thinking.
I’m stuck trying to help a mate — why isn’t his wrist with Arcanoweave better?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nVSP1WuT3fxUb18C6b8DZN
Can someone explain?
To do what?
To jump in another guild ?
Check for notifications all the way down the bottom, I see the procs from Wrist as not being factored in the Sim or something along those lines.
Good morning, Guys! Maybe stupid question, BUT
In TWW i could click show personal resource under char and when playing in aoe spec, it would show below buff for shared damage (after you do whirlwind for example, that u are able to hit with next 4 spells targets nearby)
In midnight when i click personal resource display, first of all its not under char, somewhere on left, second it doesnt show anymore useful buffs
so i lose track when i have to use whirlwind and lose dps
may i ask if i do smth wrong or did they remove this function in general
Function never existed, might have been a weakaura if yours
anyone got any tips for freezes when the adds spawn on vaelorak
Vaelgor and Ezzorak
you can track it under the cooldown manager
i am 1000% sure it existed, i clicked in usual settings personal resource display and then there was like a tick under it and i could see my buffs like avatar whirlwind etc
for sure was in built
since i dont like addons and dont use much of them
whatever, but now you can track it under cooldown manager from blizz
Bingo!
how do i do that
Very strange thing to ask.
Where can I find info on if I should use ST or AoE build per raid boss? Im guessing taking top 100 warcraft logs? I know that sometimes its counterintuitive that even if you have adds u go ST
A realistic parse on any boss is anywhere from 0-100
Just kill the boss.
U parse in hc, mythic u just kill bosses
If you're raiding mythic for parses, I think you're starting off on the wrong foot.
Gulp
Parses are giving on reclears
Why ? I would have answered him, it’s not really a taboo topic here
But like 60-70 is good😄
not at the pc so cant fully discribe, but in the menue theres the part where you can activate boss warnings etc. in there is also the option to set up your cooldown management, dont press on the editor mode but on the other option, in therr you can go to the second icon and activate whirlwind as tracked buff
Yeah purple parses you can jump into a lot of CE guilds
If you have the correct amount of boss killed in mythic
If it’s blue, even the first ones, it will be important to have killed more bosses than what is killed in pugs
Like first 4 myth nerubar blue parse huuuh
Tbh parses comes with kills
Im in a shitty guild as well.
We only did soulhunters once and on prog our tanks are dog so 65%
ok i got cooldown manager and it indeed show me my whirlwind buff
If u do very well in what ever is accepted as a st fight as fuey u prob.good
but cant find how to edit it, will go to youtube in order to not disturb u
thank you guys
sorry for maybe offtopic
Like voracious
couldnt find answer anywhere else
I have the same but araz is my blue bc I did not see it ever again after we killed saladbar 
Also just don't be a weirdo or dick head and people will like you
eh, i wasnt sure i was being a dickhead with asking simple question
I wasn't answering ur question sorry
Tbh if u are play mage
ah oki then
Like mages seem 2 get away with it
🙂
And big rio can help
its not offtopic, dont think you can edit it much more except the options you have in the settings of the cd manager and over editor mode on where it is on your screen
Y tbh if u have decent st raid parses and can hit like 3800+
If you open edit mode you can click on the bars and it'll show you how to edit it
U prob pretty good
3800+... isn't that like HOF level m+ equivalent
Nah?
R u shre
3800 is kinda insane pre turbo boost
My mental cant handle 3.8k
As he was talkin butnlast tiers parses
Maybe I'm way off-base here, but on demand 30% DR to me seems better than a constant 10% DR
My previous guild recruited a tank who never did a CE just bc rio
Wrong
The raids have become more rot heavy
Same with m+
There isn't a lot of burst damage so enraged regen loses some viability
Brilliant! i just needed to click advanced in edit mode in order to be able to customize that, now i have my solo whirlwind where i wanted it to be, great thank to everyone and have a nice sunday
No problem, sorry for what happened previously dont be scared to ask stuff in here
And dstance+spellreflect combo is 25 sec cd 
I do wish enraged regen was better though
Got a macro for that?
Idk if I would macro smth like that
absolutely no prob, its hard to offend me=)
Me ? No I have both keybinded
I do too.
Just want an oh shit button instead. 
ER also seems v helpful on crown
can someone help my im new to sim on raidbots what is the best settings for lower m+ and delves to sim? to finde my best gear
Do we hold cd’s going down first on chimmy?
Is a chimmy a term on the last boss of voidspire
it’s a RB talent you switch to take ER, if you feel you want it, just take ER, but sr dstance still exist
What the fuck is a chimmy
does anybody use Surge of Adrenaline or is it a trap talent?
Everybody uses it
Isn't that the one
not according to wowhead talents lol
I havent got that talented
Kek
auto attack damage
Chimerus whatever it’s called
So bt is currently way stronger than rb onboth specs
Not a trap talent its just raging blow builds have kinda fallen out of the meta
So no
I go down second group and send on pull then send 1 more time before going down
Then hold for adds in 2nd group
Only tried normal i just send when i have
Burst of power
If u use early. U have em late
Those are like identical names deadass
Same meanings
tbf I thought he was talking about surge idk the talent which reduce tc cd by 50% 
Nah u defo hold on that boss if your group 2
Cds line up almost perfectly with when you go down
Might come up before or after though
I stil had em back during add phase
But holding = loosin 1 more use potentially
I was group 2
I guess u gotta crunch numbahs and c,🤣 also if killin boss matters or parse matters( puggin )
Yall got any tips on Nullaus ?? struggling with 252 Ilvl gotten him to like 40% but struggling with the adds
And it lines perfectly yes, just the 3rd avatar is when he flies away so I hold for platform adds
Yo I specced stance mastery and sat dstance like the whole time
Switch to berserker stance when u pop cds
Save cds for when adds are going to spawn
I assume you are dying to the spitters so try to Shockwave them just before a cast goes off so you can stop the dot
But flying away i send as well. And just slap that phase
Also buy a couple pairs of drums and lights potential potion when he comes out of immunity during the last 25% pot drums and use cds on him
I just died@ the end of dragons fight and lost r1 log
Why didn't my guild wipe for me
Coz they are bastardos
LF new guild
Yup
this is why you always sim, the 237 boots give me 1.3% more dps than the 246 ones
Why didn’t you sim the 237 boots upgraded to 246 ?
Oh wait i forgot to upgrade them im mental
can someone help me please, when i am simming quick sim on a target dummy, is that a sim with battle shout on or without?
actually and this might be a skill issue but im mostly dying to the Ravagers struggling with killing the last one in time that + shitty ground + boss is most often my doom
Gotta send that sim it is weird
Simulation options -> more options and you will see what you have enabled
havent seen anything like this in 4-5 years wow
I think that’s the default
once we pop reck avatar... is BB ramp or TB prio?
im genuinely struggling with prio during reck ava
It is very weird indeed 
And can’t see clearly bc phone but if the robot god was not mislead 
Wowhead.com❤️
if i dont spend 100+ rage on rampage how big is the dps loss¿
ok so TB is still prio even on ST with 2 stacks.. interesting
it’s just rampage to not overcap your rage, don’t stress too much if you do at 95
guys that doesnt make any sense , target dummy has battle shout crossed but when i do it manually and tick it its the exact same dps sim
so even when crossed out it aautomatically counts battle shout , no?
Maybe the apl cast bshout since we are war
i am blind af it literaolly says it there
i am dumb af i have been hitting the dummy for hours not understanding why i can not meet the sim dps and its because i clicked off my battle shout 😄
Sim dps is a mean of a normal distribution
Don’t try to much to be = your sim precisely, after a while its time to parse/log or kill things in practice
Not rly
Tb procs 3 bt in a row talent thingh
And loosin out on that slammer
Hurts
U are not playin optimally with am. Its an issue. Hard to gauge, if its in gen its a lot of cdr lost
Bladestorm in recklesness or after?
As missin sometimes matters øess
In id say 15% haste as rewars
So either before or during
Hey guys - I'm having a hard time finding a good BIS list for Fury. Different websites say different things, especially for crafted gear. Does anyone know any reliable place to find the BIS list?
renown trinket a sim trap?
Oh ok, thanks
It does sim with all 3 ports open i think
So slightly?
If u dont have that
I do have the three protocols.
Then it sims as it sims
It’s that a hero track mace ?
Huge !!!
I mean thats nice
But yeah, had to cross check since I didn't spy the renown trinket anywhere on the trinket list.
About to start Nullaeus on my Fury alt
Do you just sit in D-stance perma except for CD’s?
what enchant do i put on my crafter weapon
Dont run Warbanner unless ur doing pure ST
which is like never
You need pure ST on last phase alleria though
Sure, but the 350 dps sim gain isnt worth it just for last phase
Alright, was struggling on her last few % hence trying to tune towards that purely.
does berserker shout get rid of of the dragons fear from the raid
or is it just your party
last time i checked it only works on you and 4 others regardless of it even working on that fight

Anyone pls? ''^^
you're not playing classic wow, you go on raidbots.com and you sim your gear
unsure what to craft? sim it

So is it normal for people to be bursting 100k+ on pull and im at like 30-40k
I see people do so much damage on pull and no matter what i do i feel like im hitting the boss with a wet noodle
Anyone bothering to respec from thane to Slayer except on Sala?
Does anyone know if we can leap platforms in phase three of crown of cosmos ?
Yes
I saw the Wowhead raidguide, did it normal. But felt kinda wasted on all other fights.
feather gives you a DOT so use leap, boss has damage reduction so dont greed
Ok so herioc leap is preferable anyway ?
if you use it early enough you have it back for break
^^ thank you
Hey guys, which pot do we use ?
Guide say Recklessness but no one was using that
i use it 😄
hmm has anyone noticed that when going from 0 -> 2 stacks of thunder blast (i.e. casting avatar), the action bar stack count doesnt show 2?
same happens for both fury and prot from what I can tell
but when going 1 -> 2 stacks it will show 2 stacks
works on cooldown manager but not aciton bar
Lights potential too
sim yoself
can we like umm get like umm revveez so stream
nice
Addons getting bricked right as prog/m+ starts is an interesting strategy from blizzard
How much as your sim ? How much against dummy ? Would like to compare what i would be doing wrong imo
How do you sim too see what craft is best for you?
drop optimiser - crafted section
Thank you:)
Overall, it is 'ok', nothing special in context of WoW. There isnt anything I go "now this, this is peak WoW", but it aint no Shadowlands either.
It is just a fine expansion, but it feels very samey to TWW
I would describe it more as a patch for TWW than its own "expansion"
Ok
zones look interesting and preys are a new thing idk
if you want endgame opinions come back in a week or two
I like the preys especially nightmare
new city hub is actually easy to navigate for once
Mm rls of raid is on Wednesday?
Raid on HC feels 'fine', the 1 boss raid is refreshing, and the multiboss is just another raid
Nothing in particular I would applaud, nothing I would say is bad design. Guess you can call it just solid for what it is
Ok, like wotlk pvp bosses? In wintergrasp?
can definetely say they improved something in game code wise, since finally on my old PC even in city i have no FPS shortages
Nah, it is a 1 boss raid
Kinda like trial of valor or cruible, but with 1 boss instead of 3
Think Onyxia
Mm ok
Man my brain had to go far back for that one
😁
Yeah I had some hypothesis that blizzard was in cohort with the GPU manufacturers because of the lag in major city. Like new dalaran
did you use elvui before the addon purge
even on my 2010 setup, there is little to no lag at low settings, you just need to turn off some settings and there are no issues
What settings?
Bunch of things, render-wait setting, quest tracker settings and some other I forgotten that been done over time
Ok
The quest tracking fix and render are the big ones
So pure standard is too much?
No idea, I just turn these settings as I a) dont quest, so I dont need that info at all to chug up WoW. b) I prefer things popping in, instead of me slowing/loading it in pre-event
Ok 😋
/console SET worldPreloadNonCritical 0
and
/run local log, t = C_QuestLog, 0 for i = 1, log.GetNumQuestLogEntries() do local q = log.GetInfo(i) if q and q.isHidden and q.questID then log.RemoveQuestWatch(q.questID) print("unwatched", q.title) end end if t > 0 then print("unwatched", t) end
Should help if you got any FPS issues in the city and/or long loading times due to CPU load
Just use them commands in chat ingame
Ok, once or every new startup of wow?
Quest one is once per char, and once per reset (or patch), the other one is once per patch that changes settings
Take a look and see if you see any FPS changes, then tell me - always fun to see what ppl gain or not
some have gained 50-100 FPS, others maybe got 10
I haven’t installed wow yet, and no active subscription alongside with not having purchased the new expansion yet
I’m still thinking about it 😋
Hey, smart thing is to avoid WoW then - dont get dragged back in
Maybe you manage to delay it another year or two
:salute:
Mm, the data and gaming addiction
What does it do ? 🙂
tells the game to just send it, not wait for object to load in
Smort
Mm it should be pinned
65.457k sim dps is not good i guess what u guys think about it
I can check my character for you, it should be just behind the curve of gearing
if you can do it i will be happy. 1 patchwerk 5 minute
with raidbuffs I presume
is there a reason why we only rampage at 100<rage ?
you can rampage with different conditions, but the reason we pool rage, is because it works as a buffer for our next rampage cast (making sure we dont go dry)
Yeah, you seem to be fine on that front
îf its over a 100 and whirlwind buff is up, is it the highest prio?
120* but yeah, it is up there in prio
oh i guess i am in good place but idk warlocks and other classes are so much do higher sims than me
even stronger than execute or thunderclap (the enhanced version) sorry for being a scrub btw
If you play Slayer, then SD is higher as long you are enraged, and for Thane blast is likely up there (but I dont play it, so I dont know for certain)
All good being a scrub, we all wore em once
Stronger yes, harder hitting not necessarily
I play thane, how much dps should i make with 250ish gs on trainings dummys i can hold like 130 feels a bit low
130k sounds fine ish, but just focus on improving in actual content once you feel your rotation is alright
its easier to get a feel of how well you are doing, when you are in context of practical numbers
he doesnt have a real "rotation" right? its more a prio list and situational picks?
Yep, we got a prio list, but that is still the 'rotation'
rotation in the literal sense hasnt existed for years, it's been a priority system for quite a while
like i sometimes dont know if i should bloodbath/thirst or rampage, thudnerclap
if above 100 rage click rampage
its my second season in wow, i am pretty new 😄
you'll be fine
If in doubt, send rampage, wont hurt you much - send BB as good as you can on CD, and Blast the same, clap is also sent on CD on AoE
Dont worry, things just roll easilly
Just send stuff, you will be fine (as long it aint raging blow)
so raging blow sucks?
it is pretty bad, yep
and only if nothings up as a filler
ye, final filler
and whirlwind? for the multi target buff?
For Thane? Nah, you dont need it
do i ever refresh it with whirlwind or do i do thunder clap
thudnerclap and thunderblast for the multi target buff.
Clap is your WW as thane
got it
Yo there ! Sorry to bother 😄
but to be fair I'm a bit lost about the burst window in Thane priority spells ... What is the prio ?
Bloodbath > rampage > Thunderbast ?
thunderblast > Bloodbath > rampage ?
/cast Recklessness
/cast Avatar
/use item:241308
is the macro okay or we prepot before cds?
For burst, would be: Not enraged: OF or Rampage, then Blast, BB/BT, (clap on AoE), ramp
does it change for single target? did the delve boss (was a mess) i did 45k ish dps single target with 250 gear felt horrible like almost tank dmg
in aoe? or st?
50k at that ilvl is fine, dont worry
both to be fair ahaha
tanks should do around 30-40k
aoe during CDs:
Blast > Tclap (if 7 or more targets) > rampage over 100 rage > bloodbath > rampage > tclap with less than 7 targets
tell that to bears
thanks a lot !
damn i ve been using raging blow way too much
single target during cds:
rampage over 100 rage> tblast 2 stacks > bloodbath > rampage less than 100 rage > tblast 1 stack > execute > crushing blow > tclap filler
is wrecking throw even a thing?
again, thanks a lot 😄
and good filler
so i use it before i use raging blow
Think of it as a shieldbreaker and RB replacement on fights that dont got shield or downtime (you can use it during downtime from the boss)
i think its worse than RB as thane
if we say 2 stacks do we man press it twice?
no 2 stacks of thunderblast means having 2 thunderblasts available. it still ahs a cooldown.
once you press it, its pressed and it goes on cooldown
oh ok so we can use it a second time when the cd comes down
yes
do we get the second stack from avatar?
and then it takes the priority of tblast 1 stack
we get 2 stacks from avatar
why is rampage with less than 100 rage ok at st?
not cause i am doubting it, jsut tryna understand the spec 😄
it essentially means: oh yo ucant press anything above it cuz its on cooldown for example? Then just press rampage because thats still better than pissing on the ground pressing raging blow
yes.
got it
if its up and u stand inside a group of enemies you pop it
its good to hold a bit to send it on adds instead of purely just 1 target
love pressing it anyways
you guys been really helpful thanks alot, should ve asked before going insane for 4 hours straight at the delve boss
cuz of bleed?
go protection on ?? boss, its so easy
It hits about twice as hard as a normal builder
dude i went fury and it was a mess
nah just good button, enrages u immediately and deals solid damage
is it easier as tanks?
If you feel comfortable playing around tank CDs, then ye
As DPS you kinda need to level valeria first, so she can heal you efficently
lmao, i mean it was good training atleast, knowing my buttons and defensives now
as tank, it is more about you rotating correctly
?? boss is a 1-4 pull thing either way

is it good idea to put reck and avatar in mac
yes
no reason not to really
could you send me it
forgets about the showooltips
smh
i was not fast enough
d
there are fights for both
go on warcraftlogs and check each boss top100
🤷♂️
i believe slayer finds more success on chimareus or whatev his name is
due to burst on adds
most do thane
ah okay
has anyone the sim string for the different flasks, did search but not find
yeah they are
still most are thane
would decide based on your group i guess and what is more comfortable to you
ye
no, what about it?
hey guys, quick question, since haste mastery is my main stat, why weapon with same ilvl but vers mastery sims 2% stronger? Should I just follow the "whatever does more damage on sim" or stick to stat prios?
Simulationcraft > Feelscraft
overcapping one stat causes other stats to gain value
the sim shows that this is the case

I am not anywhere near overcapping the stat tho according to guides
overcapping relative to your other gear right now
it's all relative
oh im with you, so just follow the sim
yea
hi
thanks a lot!
why do i start w odyns fury as a first spell in rotation
do you mean first button in opener or highest priority spell ?
it enrages you, would prob be the logic
hey all! similar question but related to the opener and odyns fury. WoW head shows it used before avatar/recklessness and Method shows it used after them. Does it really matter? Appreciate any help!
this is for thane opener of course. sorry
method shows it uses odyns fury before ava reck?
What
can you link that?
On single target how often do yous use thunderclap? Especially when in avatar
as filler
Ok, so mainly just bloodbath and rampage
Im simming 62k dps and getting around 61k so i must be doing something alright
Thanks for this!
Think i need to be pressing bloodbath a bit more though
Nowhere here does it say your implication of pressing odyns before ava
this means simultaneous
tbh this opener is inefficient
Do yous press odyns before ava?
no
ava-> odyn
Thougut that
Having CDs between odyns and the thunder blast means you sort of press instantly with odyns
I understand the confusion that could read as “use after odyns but before first Thunderblast “
But yes it is meant to be used with odyns
(not really simultaniously but during same gcd)
how much dps should u you do on 5 dummies with 250gs? i do 120ish on hold
You guys made me rethink there i was always pressing odyns in ava🤣
So ava>odyn>thunder on aoe opener?
Odyns enrages you though
The sim, the guides, and higher logs all enrage first
so past the opener odyns never lines up with CDs anymore....just blow it when its up?
Not exactly sure why but it is best practice until proven otherwise
Wait what
Just to avoid rage waste?
yes.
Where do you see the sim for opener etc?
Run a quick sim and scroll down
In practice you could have odyns in your avatar macro
my sim opener
Oh that’s interesting I do not remember it looking like that
This doesn’t make sense, you wouldn’t be in range for odyns to hit
wrong sir
depends on the boss hitbox tbf
charge puts you in range?
I mean
the only thing that actually deals damage is the DoT
the initial hit is a wet noodle
so ig its more optimal to click ava reck for the following gcd
That’s showing odyns at 0.0 so basically with charge
yes you can min range charge and odyns same time and always hit
Odyns will still land?
I see
the range is huge
but doing it first before avatar/reck or after avatar reck shouldnt make a diff? Or is the GCD for going into thunderclap/rampage going to cost you?
within means radius
That’s a 7 yard radius
no=?
im ngl everyone clicks odyns and cds same time, i will also continue to do so personally
tool tip says 12 yards for radius
but i bet the diff is like 0.01%
for the bleed that is
What’s the downside of having odyns in your avatar macro?
What does bloodthirst do if you were to charge > BT
you want to go CDs but hold odyns for add spawns sometimes
Besides enrage
just enrage
Actually what does odyns cooldown end up in practice with set?
nothing
Exactly
but why bt before if you could bb after
no reason
Interesting to see Dan BT first
method isnt reliable
tbh most likely not the biggest deal
maxroll also very funny ST opener
Odyns in combat has what? 20-25 sec cooldown with tier set?
everything sims similarly ngl
looks like past season logic with cds
Like a holdover from last season with cds before charge
Gotta get that 80 rage!
would need to know which boss
Salhadaar as stated below the pic
Healer or dps Valera?
this is averzian
Healer
Rage dump before odyns
My god he’s casting odyns based on vibes
he is not vibecasting odyns
2nd try, takes long af tho xd
1st try i messed up one interrupt and died
thats false
Crit basically held it until the adds showed up on the first boss
Then why the diff in odyns usage?
First time crafting the 246 bracer's with Arcanoweaving, I assume I don't need to anymore since I have these?
Also did everyone swap over to the str pot or is it just if you can’t get mastery as top stat?
cuz critcake isnt perfect
revvez presses odyns on add spawn for example
at 18 seconds in
For sure i was just asking
pretty sure it is your most impactful single button press short of over 8 targets or something
apart from BS on slayer
that number is completely arbitrary
yes it is
the point being, odyns is not a shit button
it is actually one of your best
Odyns is good that u want it on cd but its shit enough to where you currently dont care if you have to hold it for 20 seconds just to use it on 3 or 4 targets
it's a shit button
a button where you are willing to hold for a time to maximise its usage
I think definitionally
is a good button
We'll have a tendancy to hold it more for adds with the tier set ?
If it sync
With gems and enchants, mastery or haste should be your top stat. Most people may be using their best simmed offensive potion. I use the reck potion currently.
slayer gameplay barely changes does it, just spam bt and include bs in the rotation, thats about it ye?
you could probably run slayer the whole normal raid and BS for any adds..heroic and mythic is looking to be thane
Can still run slayer in hero no problem
has anyone had good parses on Vorasius? Should I be going pure ST on this since the add phases are such a small part of the fight?>
when u press odyns also depends on if u have 4p already too
if u have 4p u basically press on cd
cause u get it back so fast
if u dont then it prob has less value than bb or tc during cds
depending on add timings etc.
When I played classic tbc/wotlk on mage, there were a few content creators who made videos about how to play each fight/cd optimization. Is there any videos/resources like that for warrior in midnight?
Just go st you will hit the adds some but it's rng if you get to cleave then
i would just go full st
help with adds if its needed
is slayer hands down best for ST?
statistically yeah its a little better
if you introduce 2/3 targets thane climbs over easily
Get used to thane if 12.0.5 changes go through
you could honestly play thane on every fight and not worry a bit also
the 12.0.5 changes are genuinely disgusting
can't believe someone thought they were a good idea
what is changing in 12.0.5? I thoguht they were buffing bladestorm
which would help slayer
Should i sim too see my opener is that best way too look?
its literally going from a small chance on BT + gurantee after every 3 slayer strikes to just a small chance on whirlwind right?
absolutely garbage
Wowhead
There's a few I really watch because I like their content, that would be @slim coral @sudden tusk and @mossy fox , you should be able to find their youtube or twitch off their discords
I see recommended specs for each fight but not the kind of specific breakdown im hoping for. Like dmg uptime min max per fight and cd optimaztion
Typically when mythic comes out you will start to see encounter breakdowns
But as of now they all have vids explaining warrior and what talents to run, rotations, etc.
you want povs with explanations and stuff? I'm not 100% sure any are out yet
but there's a bunch of people that do that, critcake being one
I watched his vid for dimensius
I plan on making videos for mythic, but until I clear the boss myself I don't make encounter videos
Have some general guide stuff but mythic tuning can make things very different
Are you gonna rip an updated rotation guide video for raid for both MT/Slayer once mythic tuning comes out
Yeah they made some big changes for the 24th. Video might be a couple hours long
🍿
god bless i have something to listen to at work
I need more haste.. also what should i craft? I crafted bracers n got such a shit rank on it lmao..
So how's the ?? Delve boss on Thane ?
Ok ? How différent it is from the normal one?
It has one shot mechanic that you need to interuppt lots of puddlds on ground u need to avoid etc, its only the adds you need to kill really fast also
if u go thane and just change a talent for enraged regen ur giga chilling
what you guys been running in m0? seems like slayer for more aoe burst might be best
Maybe just buy drums for the 3rd add and should be a cakewalk
thanes always best
yeah just run thane. dont overthink M0's lmfao
Also does anyone know an updated agatha mage tower guide, i got her too 20% but feel i just need a bit more damage
thanes always best for keys anyways, unless tier set is like last season slayers but its not normally
Sad slayer noises
When we get tier set do we prioritise ramage more than bloodbath in ava?
Is having 4pc by now common at this point or still kind of a rarity
Only if you were spoon fed
Next week however it’ll be very common
2 catalyst charges available + two weeks of lockouts + vault luck
Average 4pc haver skyrockets
Right ok
I thought warriors weren't listed on the 24th tuning
If you don’t have 4pc you might as well quit or reroll and try again. It’s harsh but in the cutthroat world of modern wow even normal mode guilds aren’t taking people without 4p week 1.
Hello! I'm trying to find out why Blizzard's CD manager doesn't recommend me to use Recklessness. Has it happened to anybody?
Is that not the right link?
cooldown manager doesnt recommend anything its just a cooldown tracker
You're thinking of rotation assist and that one doesnt use big CDs on every class
thats the entire joke
We ended our normal and heroic clears and did a guild stack. Only 2 pieces of plate tier. We have 6 plate. Same person won the greed rolls on both. The other 5 were kicked on the spot. Anyone recruiting?
Right, that's correct. I've been using it as a reference/kind of a Hekili replacement. But it doesn't show big CDs, exactly as you said
Is there a way to go around that or is it just faulty design by Bliz?
both it and hekili back then arent very accurate
this is intentional.
not faulty lol
mmm, okay, I get you
I'll have to keep track of Recklessness/Avatar CD's then
Seems to be the only way
is that... bad?
yea you kinda need to learn to play the game
dont rely on faulty crutches
Depends on the fight
in what fight would keeping track of your cooldowns be bad rofl
Brudda I don't even have 1pc. Bein a new dad is hard lol. I moreso just wanted to see wcl data with everyone at 4pc for science
Might want to hold for adds etc.
they were trolling, no you are not expected to have 4p by now
Ye I know
keeping track != using on cd
everyone in their right mind is at 1 pc or 0 pc rn
No, not in particular. But I'm trying to see my options here
Hekili used to make everything more simple
Ya were talking about the other thing
I kinda liked not having to think
i got 2p then did pvp so im at 4p
xd
Oh if he’s a hekili enjoyer he doesn’t have to play with the one button but he could turn on the assistant
the wow single button rotation also works at a huge haste reduction doesn't it?
the point is that you didnt spend catalysts yet as that would be disastrously stupid
thats exactly the point
what hes doing
Not haste exactly, a gcd penalty
Our mistweaver has 4p stupid bastard got 1 in normal the ran LFR after then went and got 1600 in shuffle.
haste reduces your gcd doesn't it hahaha
i've said on stream a few times i dont cast odyns often enough, and to go follow the wowhead guide
i'm just pressing buttons
Used his 2 catalysts cause once you have 4p catalysts start dropping. He got a 3rd catalyst already from heroic
If possible I'm trying to avoid the single button rotation due to the penalty, hence why I'm asking these questions xD
Yes but your gaming chair is probably much better so
Thanks for the advice guys

don't break the illusion that you the omnipotent god of warrior-kind
you press odyns at exactly the right time, every time
Wait, once you aquire 4pc you can rando loot charges ?
johnny you can play the game and just use your CDs whenever they are up, you're already leaning into turn brain off playstyle so might as well hardcommit
Every time I get lucky enough to beat crit on a boss I print and frame it. Wife takes me for a lobster dinner. And my kids tell me they’re proud of me.
It’s not often.
Might as well do! I'm a casual player after all
I just macro reck to every button and slam orange and pink pretty often. Just enjoy the game and Zug. All the optimizations are fighting for rank 1s.
we believe in you johnny
balanced as all things should be
Slayer not using rend and did something for the memes… I laugh.
Just smash buttons and have fun. Wows a game.
odyns calm

It’s pretty bad
Half the value of odyns is it auto enrages you and generate rage tbh
And also is tier set
Damage itself is whatever
Odyn is better than no odyn and it is a chunky loss. Not recommended to do this it’s shown only for illustrative purposes.
no I am copying the new meta build just posted
literally
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