#fury

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sullen dove
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The axe recipe is a raid drop though that’s probably pretty expensive

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+1 reason to not go into axes like a certain chud I know

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(me)

keen kindle
keen nimbus
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it still sims lower, im baffled

sullen dove
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so yea either mace or 2h sword is about equally easy

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I just made mace

keen nimbus
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isnt puzzlebox supposed to be kinda good ?

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A-tier ish

sullen dove
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Pretty ok on aoe but too clunky for st I think

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and just not the most perfect lineup with cds

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More of an m+ trinket

keen nimbus
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especially compared to what i have

keen kindle
sullen dove
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eh no but 2min think too far off

restive fiber
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everything align now

sullen dove
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Better chance for 1:30 or 3min too probably

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on average 40-50 second cds probably

sullen dove
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And reading nalorakk one doesn’t sound bad either

keen nimbus
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yeah but the other one i got

sullen dove
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just that it’s capped at vet

keen nimbus
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is rly bad tho

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no

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damn it

sullen dove
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u can maybe check uptime of it by doing a quick sim to see

keen nimbus
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mayber i should just try it out

sullen dove
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If you want tho just do a 5target 5min sim and that should be a bit more accurate to puzzleboxes use in m+

keen nimbus
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lemme run that

sullen dove
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might win out one of the two trinkets but also possible it doesn’t cuz idk more strength and haste are also good for aoe

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even if it doesn’t win in 5tar tho if u do just want to run pbox you can since even the 5target sim isn’t like 1:1 how dmg is done in m+

keen nimbus
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these results are crazy, wasnt expecting this

sullen dove
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using a trink on a big pull lets you have some downtime when walking to use it at the start of the next pull or two

keen nimbus
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true

sullen dove
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on pull burst is def alot higher which is usually more desired in m+ rather than consistently higher dmg

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Unless it’s the level of key that’s so high where you really are just beating on a giant pack for a minute or two straight and have little downtime between pulls

keen nimbus
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but woulmd you rather combo heart of wind + puzzle or puzzle + nalorak in m+ environment

sullen dove
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prolly just whichever it says is 2nd best combo

compact knot
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soredish yellow name

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holyy

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promotion

teal granite
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Is it the right play to use hero crests to upgrade a crafted weapon to 272, or better to save them?

keen nimbus
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save

keen nimbus
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dont use

sullen dove
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But A) haste prolly feels better and B) nalorak trink only stops at vet so it’ll be replaced soon anyway

sullen dove
teal granite
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yeah okay, whats the idea behind not doing it? Just curious

keen nimbus
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aight thx for the info

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you might be better of using them on other pieces of gear

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instead of on a weap

sullen dove
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You’d upgrade with myth next week assuming you can access them from +9 keys

keen nimbus
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that will be upgraded afterwards with other crests

sullen dove
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And absolutely waste all the hero crests you put into it

compact knot
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you would end up wasting 60 hero crests

keen nimbus
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might aswell wait to use myth crestst for max level

compact knot
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m+ drops at 3/6 hero track

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crafted hero item is 4/6 hero track equivalent

sullen dove
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5/6 I think

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but yea

teal granite
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thanks lads, saved me some hero crests

sullen dove
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yea

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There’ll might be some small breakdown next week of how to use hero crests or if there isn’t then ppl will probably be talking about it in here

fading sky
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Its there

sullen dove
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and/or just following along with what Larias guide going over but tldr you shouldn’t spend any on anything below 3/6 hero minimum and doubly so not on pieces you might expect to replace with a myth item in the near future, such as avoiding upgrading slots the first boss or two in mythic might drop if you plan to do it

fading sky
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No

sullen dove
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Like you know you will have a guaranteed mythic weapon so it’s a guaranteed waste

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Other gear is more random from raid and m+ vault

fading sky
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3/6 hero gear exept weap u can send

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Normal prio. Bigger items id say

sullen dove
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Yea it’s prolly good to save like 20-40 hero’s week by week tho for any possible myth drops if u raid

fading sky
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As the hero upgrade helps with free mythic

sullen dove
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if u have that small excess you can send it on the myth slot to save myth crests right away instead of waiting a week

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but v unlikely to get more than 2 mythic items a week anyhow

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unless omega high guild full funnels you maybe

fading sky
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Its a non issue imho

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For avg ppl

sullen dove
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prolly

fading sky
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We have so few marks

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That id say upgrades will tsle a while

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Wastin hc crests would be a big.mistake

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Now more than ever

quartz musk
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Hi guys, I wanted to ask what we as Fury are missing to be able to compete with stronger classes or what is our biggest problem in general right now? In some raids I see that Fury is holding up quite well, so will it be similar in M+?

sullen dove
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pure st just pretty low

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aoe pretty banging

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should be plenty good in m+ maybe not like absolute top of the line but real comfortable

undone flower
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And m+ it is too much depending on certain classes not doing well or other doing good

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Since at the end a meta comp is a comp of 5 char

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Like prot war must not be good, as a big condition

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Or arms ofc

quartz musk
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So in m+ we should be gucci?

undone flower
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Idk what is gucci, I don’t really see fury being top, so it will be the same as always, fine

lean heart
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fine is good we bang

undone flower
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Yeah it’s fine as you will beat the shit out of everyone if you are a good fury, bc most ppl are bad

quartz musk
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So we will benefit from the fact that others will be worse than us xeos

undone flower
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There are times whatever you do you will stink bc your spec, don’t preach illness to the poor pls

fading sky
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We benefit from thane being tuned close 2 slayer in st

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And thane can do cleave dmg with little st loss

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Now rest depends on mythic strats

winged remnant
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Does parse go off damage done or buttons I’ve pressed?

fading sky
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Kek

quartz musk
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Personally I preferred slayer to thane but there's nothing you can do about it

fading sky
undone flower
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I don’t like this version of slayer tbf

fading sky
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I do

undone flower
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I miss S3 2p sudden death giving slayer strike

fading sky
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12.05 fixes slayers st issues imho

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But destroys sd reap so fuck en

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Em*

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Removing reap from bt is good

undone flower
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I will not delve very deep into ptr things

fading sky
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Addin to ww also bad

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12.05 slayers is dead

undone flower
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Idk, if they buff execute by 100% it is not, so idc about vague things so far in the future

fading sky
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That just makes thane better🤣

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So thats doubtfull

undone flower
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I said a random thing to illustrate they can just buff a random slayer thing to invalidate the point

fading sky
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Not rly

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Reap is a dead talent in st

undone flower
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So what

fading sky
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It makes u wanna spam ww😄

undone flower
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Sure, I doubt we will spam ww

fading sky
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We are atm😄,

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Also just hit ramps

lean heart
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they gotta revert that 0.5 change

fading sky
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Not fully revert

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Remove from everthing but sd

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Let execute be cute

undone flower
fading sky
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And rest of buttons carry their own weight

oblique pond
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Ww ww ww ww ramp ww ww ww ww ramp… yeah peak gameplay

lean heart
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i think SD proccing reap is good

fading sky
undone flower
fading sky
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U can prob find pins of archie pointing it out

compact knot
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we do not spam ww

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you do spam tclap at a certain target amount

fading sky
compact knot
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you will spam ww in .5 though

undone flower
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We talk about ptr slayer / ww situation khazix

compact knot
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is

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ic

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okok

quartz musk
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This rotation is pretty shocking to me.

fading sky
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Ww ww ww ww ww ramp ww ww ww ww

strong monolith
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incoming WW CD

compact knot
fading sky
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Only from that now as fury

undone flower
compact knot
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ok im like

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not reading this is my fault

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lmao

fading sky
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Ofc if they just tune reap to do 0 dmg

undone flower
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Where he gets that certainty

compact knot
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hold

fading sky
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So, our trusted testers said so

undone flower
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That’s why I asked you to show me, I’m curious, I can be wrong, that’s why I’m asking

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Can I use mimiron for the reap change ?

fading sky
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Dno tbh

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But sd on reap i want it kept

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Makes sd always good, regardless of situation as it should be

undone flower
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Yeah it was nice, I don’t have reap high in my heart tbf

lofty quest
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I just got this guy from the raid. Any ideas on how I can jerry rig some shadow damage into my kit somewhere? Or is it just going to be a pretty necklace?

fading sky
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Its not as.much reap

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As keepin sd value highest in any situation which reaps solves

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Without turning 2 execute spam

undone flower
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Yeah idk, I pressed sd in any situation before that

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But reap is good animation after an execute

wheat heron
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Anyone know an addon that tells you when leap is on cd?

frosty scroll
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its beautiful

empty cairn
wheat heron
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Thanks!

strong monolith
fading sky
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Having 0p

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Did normal nuttin dropped

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I got a cata though🤣

frosty scroll
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i got 2p from hc and pvped for the rest of the set : )

fading sky
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I did lfr - norm hc tuesday

cobalt dome
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Any log exports? I’ve been trying to figure out how possible it is for me to get a 95+ parse if I raid with not so great group. I average around 70 blue parse.

On our kills we constantly have 3-5 people dead or people who parse 5-10grey. Is it even possible to get an orange parse in this scenario? I really want to improve even more but wondering how much of that is out of my control. Anyone has a similar experience?

fading sky
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Heroic?

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Normal

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Mythic?

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But simple answer is its harder, near impossible on some fights

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On others its an adv

cobalt dome
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This would be mythic

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Just revisiting some of my mana forge logs

strong monolith
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You want 95+ parsing logs in mythic?

undone flower
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Fights with massive downtime, yeah you can’t do shit about it, like first boss manaforge if your group didn’t skip all intermission, araz skip second thing

fading sky
fading sky
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Class type. Old school arms if ppl died at 35%.my parse better

fading sky
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Gz rdy to hit that of

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On every pack twice

undone flower
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Ilvl brother but im tierless

slim coral
undone flower
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For once a first season tier gives me a little bit of hype

cobalt dome
fading sky
void rose
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How can i get set pieces already?

vast steppe
cobalt dome
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So what is a realistic parse to aim for in mythic?

frosty scroll
vast steppe
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Aye thanks

void rose
frosty scroll
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u get an extra catalyst charge if u reach 1.6k, took me like 3-4 hours, not that bad

somber elk
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guys how are you tracking your rage?

slim coral
rich palm
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Hmm Idol of the war lowa, seems to be out simming vessel even with higher ilvl vessel? Yet Loa isnt even on trinket list?? 😛

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Is it bugged or just better?

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Seems to sort itself out at max ilvl nvm.

stiff barn
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Do we know when do we get the next catalyst charge? I'd imagine in 2 weeks.

slim coral
stiff barn
nocturne quarry
undone flower
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To jump in another guild ?

round cargo
viscid acorn
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Good morning, Guys! Maybe stupid question, BUT

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In TWW i could click show personal resource under char and when playing in aoe spec, it would show below buff for shared damage (after you do whirlwind for example, that u are able to hit with next 4 spells targets nearby)

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In midnight when i click personal resource display, first of all its not under char, somewhere on left, second it doesnt show anymore useful buffs

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so i lose track when i have to use whirlwind and lose dps

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may i ask if i do smth wrong or did they remove this function in general

spice barn
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Function never existed, might have been a weakaura if yours

pastel bronze
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anyone got any tips for freezes when the adds spawn on vaelorak

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Vaelgor and Ezzorak

spice barn
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you can track it under the cooldown manager

viscid acorn
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for sure was in built

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since i dont like addons and dont use much of them

spice barn
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whatever, but now you can track it under cooldown manager from blizz

strong monolith
strong monolith
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Very strange thing to ask.

stark minnow
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Where can I find info on if I should use ST or AoE build per raid boss? Im guessing taking top 100 warcraft logs? I know that sometimes its counterintuitive that even if you have adds u go ST

compact knot
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A realistic parse on any boss is anywhere from 0-100

strong monolith
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Just kill the boss.

fading sky
strong monolith
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If you're raiding mythic for parses, I think you're starting off on the wrong foot.

compact knot
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Gulp

fading sky
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Parses are giving on reclears

undone flower
fading sky
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But like 60-70 is good😄

spice barn
# viscid acorn how do i do that

not at the pc so cant fully discribe, but in the menue theres the part where you can activate boss warnings etc. in there is also the option to set up your cooldown management, dont press on the editor mode but on the other option, in therr you can go to the second icon and activate whirlwind as tracked buff

undone flower
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Yeah purple parses you can jump into a lot of CE guilds

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If you have the correct amount of boss killed in mythic

fading sky
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Yup

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But tbh 60-70 as i said if u dont get into. Ce guild

undone flower
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If it’s blue, even the first ones, it will be important to have killed more bosses than what is killed in pugs

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Like first 4 myth nerubar blue parse huuuh

fading sky
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Tbh parses comes with kills

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Im in a shitty guild as well.

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We only did soulhunters once and on prog our tanks are dog so 65%

viscid acorn
fading sky
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If u do very well in what ever is accepted as a st fight as fuey u prob.good

viscid acorn
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but cant find how to edit it, will go to youtube in order to not disturb u

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thank you guys

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sorry for maybe offtopic

fading sky
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Like voracious

viscid acorn
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couldnt find answer anywhere else

undone flower
# fading sky

I have the same but araz is my blue bc I did not see it ever again after we killed saladbar keks

compact knot
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Also just don't be a weirdo or dick head and people will like you

viscid acorn
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eh, i wasnt sure i was being a dickhead with asking simple question

compact knot
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I wasn't answering ur question sorry

fading sky
viscid acorn
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ah oki then

fading sky
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Like mages seem 2 get away with it

viscid acorn
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🙂

undone flower
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And big rio can help

spice barn
# viscid acorn sorry for maybe offtopic

its not offtopic, dont think you can edit it much more except the options you have in the settings of the cd manager and over editor mode on where it is on your screen

fading sky
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Y tbh if u have decent st raid parses and can hit like 3800+

compact knot
fading sky
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U prob pretty good

compact knot
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3800+... isn't that like HOF level m+ equivalent

fading sky
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Nah?

compact knot
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R u shre

fading sky
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3700 mby theb?

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Like 18 19s?

undone flower
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3800 is kinda insane pre turbo boost

fading sky
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Y ofx

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Was thinkin season ending

compact knot
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My mental cant handle 3.8k

fading sky
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As he was talkin butnlast tiers parses

vivid pollen
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Maybe I'm way off-base here, but on demand 30% DR to me seems better than a constant 10% DR

undone flower
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My previous guild recruited a tank who never did a CE just bc rio

compact knot
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The raids have become more rot heavy

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Same with m+

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There isn't a lot of burst damage so enraged regen loses some viability

viscid acorn
compact knot
undone flower
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And dstance+spellreflect combo is 25 sec cd purpleface

compact knot
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I do wish enraged regen was better though

compact knot
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Idk if I would macro smth like that

viscid acorn
undone flower
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Me ? No I have both keybinded

strong monolith
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I do too.

vivid pollen
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fury higher health pool and thane bonus DR already though

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just seems weird

strong monolith
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Just want an oh shit button instead. keks

vivid pollen
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ER also seems v helpful on crown

compact knot
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We kinda have a mini ER on a 25 second cd

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Most damage in raid tends to be magic

tiny badge
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can someone help my im new to sim on raidbots what is the best settings for lower m+ and delves to sim? to finde my best gear

wicked eagle
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Do we hold cd’s going down first on chimmy?

compact knot
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Is a chimmy a term on the last boss of voidspire

undone flower
compact knot
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What the fuck is a chimmy

sonic vessel
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does anybody use Surge of Adrenaline or is it a trap talent?

compact knot
fading sky
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What?

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No1 does?

compact knot
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Isn't that the one

vivid pollen
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not according to wowhead talents lol

fading sky
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I havent got that talented

compact knot
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That procs no cd bloodthirsts

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Or

fading sky
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Kek

vivid pollen
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auto attack damage

wicked eagle
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Chimerus whatever it’s called

compact knot
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STOP

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OH

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Yo I'm tired bro

fading sky
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So bt is currently way stronger than rb onboth specs

compact knot
fading sky
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So no

compact knot
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Then hold for adds in 2nd group

fading sky
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Only tried normal i just send when i have

undone flower
fading sky
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If u use early. U have em late

compact knot
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Those are like identical names deadass

fading sky
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On adds

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As fury i never hold sheit

compact knot
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Same meanings

undone flower
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tbf I thought he was talking about surge idk the talent which reduce tc cd by 50% keks

compact knot
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Nah u defo hold on that boss if your group 2

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Cds line up almost perfectly with when you go down

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Might come up before or after though

fading sky
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Well did u try 2 send

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I did

compact knot
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Yeah you can

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I said that

fading sky
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I stil had em back during add phase

compact knot
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But it's up before u go down a 3rd time

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Atleast for me it was

fading sky
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But holding = loosin 1 more use potentially

undone flower
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I was group 2

fading sky
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I guess u gotta crunch numbahs and c,🤣 also if killin boss matters or parse matters( puggin )

calm dock
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Yall got any tips on Nullaus ?? struggling with 252 Ilvl gotten him to like 40% but struggling with the adds

undone flower
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And it lines perfectly yes, just the 3rd avatar is when he flies away so I hold for platform adds

compact knot
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Switch to berserker stance when u pop cds

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Save cds for when adds are going to spawn

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I assume you are dying to the spitters so try to Shockwave them just before a cast goes off so you can stop the dot

fading sky
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But flying away i send as well. And just slap that phase

compact knot
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Also buy a couple pairs of drums and lights potential potion when he comes out of immunity during the last 25% pot drums and use cds on him

kind python
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I just died@ the end of dragons fight and lost r1 log

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Why didn't my guild wipe for me

fading sky
kind python
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LF new guild

fading sky
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Yup

dim tinsel
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this is why you always sim, the 237 boots give me 1.3% more dps than the 246 ones

undone flower
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Why didn’t you sim the 237 boots upgraded to 246 ?

dim tinsel
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Oh wait i forgot to upgrade them im mental

undone flower
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And kinda weird it is 1.3% for boots lower ilvl

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What is the enchant ?

dim tinsel
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speed

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doesnt matter its the secondary stats that are skewed

proper veldt
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can someone help me please, when i am simming quick sim on a target dummy, is that a sim with battle shout on or without?

calm dock
undone flower
undone flower
dim tinsel
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havent seen anything like this in 4-5 years wow

undone flower
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I think that’s the default

upper mica
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once we pop reck avatar... is BB ramp or TB prio?

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im genuinely struggling with prio during reck ava

undone flower
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And can’t see clearly bc phone but if the robot god was not mislead okayge

fading sky
undone flower
shadow maple
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if i dont spend 100+ rage on rampage how big is the dps loss¿

upper mica
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ok so TB is still prio even on ST with 2 stacks.. interesting

undone flower
proper veldt
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guys that doesnt make any sense , target dummy has battle shout crossed but when i do it manually and tick it its the exact same dps sim

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so even when crossed out it aautomatically counts battle shout , no?

undone flower
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Maybe the apl cast bshout since we are war

proper veldt
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i am blind af it literaolly says it there

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i am dumb af i have been hitting the dummy for hours not understanding why i can not meet the sim dps and its because i clicked off my battle shout 😄

undone flower
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Sim dps is a mean of a normal distribution

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Don’t try to much to be = your sim precisely, after a while its time to parse/log or kill things in practice

fading sky
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Tb procs 3 bt in a row talent thingh

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And loosin out on that slammer

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Hurts

fading sky
coral eagle
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Bladestorm in recklesness or after?

fading sky
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As missin sometimes matters øess

fading sky
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So either before or during

frozen socket
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Hey guys - I'm having a hard time finding a good BIS list for Fury. Different websites say different things, especially for crafted gear. Does anyone know any reliable place to find the BIS list?

chilly sapphire
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renown trinket a sim trap?

coral eagle
fading sky
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So slightly?

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If u dont have that

chilly sapphire
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I do have the three protocols.

fading sky
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Then it sims as it sims

pure breach
chilly sapphire
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My only loot from the two raid swips, bb.

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It dropped 2 of 'em on kill.

pure breach
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Huge !!!

fading sky
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I mean thats nice

chilly sapphire
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But yeah, had to cross check since I didn't spy the renown trinket anywhere on the trinket list.

signal falcon
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About to start Nullaeus on my Fury alt

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Do you just sit in D-stance perma except for CD’s?

deft palm
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what enchant do i put on my crafter weapon

fading bane
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which is like never

chilly sapphire
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You need pure ST on last phase alleria though

fading bane
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Sure, but the 350 dps sim gain isnt worth it just for last phase

chilly sapphire
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Alright, was struggling on her last few % hence trying to tune towards that purely.

turbid bay
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does berserker shout get rid of of the dragons fear from the raid

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or is it just your party

remote bobcat
turbid bay
remote bobcat
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unsure what to craft? sim it

blissful hound
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You sim and that's it

dark elbow
knotty hill
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So is it normal for people to be bursting 100k+ on pull and im at like 30-40k
I see people do so much damage on pull and no matter what i do i feel like im hitting the boss with a wet noodle

cedar crescent
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Anyone bothering to respec from thane to Slayer except on Sala?

sullen cloak
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Does anyone know if we can leap platforms in phase three of crown of cosmos ?

knotty hill
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Yes

cedar crescent
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I saw the Wowhead raidguide, did it normal. But felt kinda wasted on all other fights.

dark elbow
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feather gives you a DOT so use leap, boss has damage reduction so dont greed

sullen cloak
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Ok so herioc leap is preferable anyway ?

dark elbow
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if you use it early enough you have it back for break

sullen cloak
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^^ thank you

austere hearth
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Hey guys, which pot do we use ?
Guide say Recklessness but no one was using that

frosty orchid
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i use it 😄

silent vault
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hmm has anyone noticed that when going from 0 -> 2 stacks of thunder blast (i.e. casting avatar), the action bar stack count doesnt show 2?

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same happens for both fury and prot from what I can tell

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but when going 1 -> 2 stacks it will show 2 stacks

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works on cooldown manager but not aciton bar

radiant plank
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sim yoself

dim tinsel
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can we like umm get like umm revveez so stream

radiant plank
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next week probably

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he never streams splits

dim tinsel
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nice

turbid fog
#

Addons getting bricked right as prog/m+ starts is an interesting strategy from blizzard

keen nimbus
#

104k on vaelgor heroic as slayer build

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i can live with that

north sandal
fallow escarp
#

How do you sim too see what craft is best for you?

dense elbow
#

drop optimiser - crafted section

fallow escarp
#

Thank you:)

clever path
#

How is the new expansion?

#

Fun or dog shit?

fallow escarp
#

Fun imo

#

Not for us warrs tho😭

dense elbow
#

Overall, it is 'ok', nothing special in context of WoW. There isnt anything I go "now this, this is peak WoW", but it aint no Shadowlands either.

It is just a fine expansion, but it feels very samey to TWW

#

I would describe it more as a patch for TWW than its own "expansion"

clever path
#

Ok

warm crag
#

zones look interesting and preys are a new thing idk

#

if you want endgame opinions come back in a week or two

fallow escarp
#

I like the preys especially nightmare

dense elbow
#

new city hub is actually easy to navigate for once

clever path
#

Mm rls of raid is on Wednesday?

dense elbow
#

Raid on HC feels 'fine', the 1 boss raid is refreshing, and the multiboss is just another raid

#

Nothing in particular I would applaud, nothing I would say is bad design. Guess you can call it just solid for what it is

clever path
#

Ok, like wotlk pvp bosses? In wintergrasp?

viscid acorn
#

can definetely say they improved something in game code wise, since finally on my old PC even in city i have no FPS shortages

dense elbow
#

Nah, it is a 1 boss raid

#

Kinda like trial of valor or cruible, but with 1 boss instead of 3

#

Think Onyxia

clever path
#

Mm ok

dense elbow
#

Man my brain had to go far back for that one

clever path
#

😁

#

Yeah I had some hypothesis that blizzard was in cohort with the GPU manufacturers because of the lag in major city. Like new dalaran

warm crag
dense elbow
#

even on my 2010 setup, there is little to no lag at low settings, you just need to turn off some settings and there are no issues

clever path
#

What settings?

dense elbow
#

Bunch of things, render-wait setting, quest tracker settings and some other I forgotten that been done over time

clever path
#

Ok

dense elbow
#

The quest tracking fix and render are the big ones

clever path
#

So pure standard is too much?

dense elbow
#

No idea, I just turn these settings as I a) dont quest, so I dont need that info at all to chug up WoW. b) I prefer things popping in, instead of me slowing/loading it in pre-event

clever path
#

Ok 😋

dense elbow
# clever path Ok 😋

/console SET worldPreloadNonCritical 0
and
/run local log, t = C_QuestLog, 0 for i = 1, log.GetNumQuestLogEntries() do local q = log.GetInfo(i) if q and q.isHidden and q.questID then log.RemoveQuestWatch(q.questID) print("unwatched", q.title) end end if t > 0 then print("unwatched", t) end

Should help if you got any FPS issues in the city and/or long loading times due to CPU load

#

Just use them commands in chat ingame

clever path
#

Ok, once or every new startup of wow?

dense elbow
#

Quest one is once per char, and once per reset (or patch), the other one is once per patch that changes settings

clever path
#

Mm ok

#

Thx

dense elbow
#

Take a look and see if you see any FPS changes, then tell me - always fun to see what ppl gain or not

#

some have gained 50-100 FPS, others maybe got 10

clever path
#

I haven’t installed wow yet, and no active subscription alongside with not having purchased the new expansion yet

#

I’m still thinking about it 😋

dense elbow
#

Hey, smart thing is to avoid WoW then - dont get dragged back in

#

Maybe you manage to delay it another year or two

#

:salute:

clever path
#

Mm, the data and gaming addiction

dense elbow
#

tells the game to just send it, not wait for object to load in

tender seal
#

Smort

clever path
#

Mm it should be pinned

tight arch
#

65.457k sim dps is not good i guess what u guys think about it

dense elbow
#

I can check my character for you, it should be just behind the curve of gearing

tight arch
#

if you can do it i will be happy. 1 patchwerk 5 minute

dense elbow
#

with raidbuffs I presume

tight arch
#

idk 65k dps for 5 min is kinda low

#

yea

tired mulch
#

is there a reason why we only rampage at 100<rage ?

dense elbow
#

you can rampage with different conditions, but the reason we pool rage, is because it works as a buffer for our next rampage cast (making sure we dont go dry)

dense elbow
#

Yeah, you seem to be fine on that front

tired mulch
#

îf its over a 100 and whirlwind buff is up, is it the highest prio?

dense elbow
#

120* but yeah, it is up there in prio

tight arch
# dense elbow

oh i guess i am in good place but idk warlocks and other classes are so much do higher sims than me

tired mulch
#

even stronger than execute or thunderclap (the enhanced version) sorry for being a scrub btw

dense elbow
#

If you play Slayer, then SD is higher as long you are enraged, and for Thane blast is likely up there (but I dont play it, so I dont know for certain)

#

All good being a scrub, we all wore em once

remote bobcat
tired mulch
#

I play thane, how much dps should i make with 250ish gs on trainings dummys i can hold like 130 feels a bit low

dense elbow
#

130k sounds fine ish, but just focus on improving in actual content once you feel your rotation is alright

#

its easier to get a feel of how well you are doing, when you are in context of practical numbers

tired mulch
#

he doesnt have a real "rotation" right? its more a prio list and situational picks?

dense elbow
#

Yep, we got a prio list, but that is still the 'rotation'

remote bobcat
tired mulch
#

like i sometimes dont know if i should bloodbath/thirst or rampage, thudnerclap

remote bobcat
tired mulch
remote bobcat
#

you'll be fine

dense elbow
#

If in doubt, send rampage, wont hurt you much - send BB as good as you can on CD, and Blast the same, clap is also sent on CD on AoE

Dont worry, things just roll easilly

#

Just send stuff, you will be fine (as long it aint raging blow)

tired mulch
#

so raging blow sucks?

dense elbow
#

it is pretty bad, yep

tired mulch
#

and only if nothings up as a filler

dense elbow
#

ye, final filler

tired mulch
#

and whirlwind? for the multi target buff?

dense elbow
#

For Thane? Nah, you dont need it

tired mulch
#

do i ever refresh it with whirlwind or do i do thunder clap

remote bobcat
dense elbow
#

Clap is your WW as thane

tired mulch
#

got it

wheat fulcrum
#

Yo there ! Sorry to bother 😄

but to be fair I'm a bit lost about the burst window in Thane priority spells ... What is the prio ?

Bloodbath > rampage > Thunderbast ?

thunderblast > Bloodbath > rampage ?

robust onyx
#

/cast Recklessness
/cast Avatar
/use item:241308
is the macro okay or we prepot before cds?

dense elbow
#

For burst, would be: Not enraged: OF or Rampage, then Blast, BB/BT, (clap on AoE), ramp

tired mulch
#

does it change for single target? did the delve boss (was a mess) i did 45k ish dps single target with 250 gear felt horrible like almost tank dmg

dense elbow
#

50k at that ilvl is fine, dont worry

wheat fulcrum
dense elbow
#

tanks should do around 30-40k

remote bobcat
rare garnet
#

tell that to bears

tired mulch
#

damn i ve been using raging blow way too much

remote bobcat
# wheat fulcrum both to be fair ahaha

single target during cds:
rampage over 100 rage> tblast 2 stacks > bloodbath > rampage less than 100 rage > tblast 1 stack > execute > crushing blow > tclap filler

tired mulch
#

is wrecking throw even a thing?

remote bobcat
#

on shields

remote bobcat
#

and good filler

tired mulch
#

so i use it before i use raging blow

remote bobcat
#

as slayer at least

dense elbow
remote bobcat
#

i think its worse than RB as thane

tired mulch
remote bobcat
#

once you press it, its pressed and it goes on cooldown

tired mulch
#

oh ok so we can use it a second time when the cd comes down

remote bobcat
#

yes

tired mulch
#

do we get the second stack from avatar?

remote bobcat
#

and then it takes the priority of tblast 1 stack

remote bobcat
tired mulch
#

why is rampage with less than 100 rage ok at st?

#

not cause i am doubting it, jsut tryna understand the spec 😄

remote bobcat
tired mulch
#

oh get it damn raging blow gotta suck bad

#

when do we pop odyns fury?

remote bobcat
tired mulch
#

got it

remote bobcat
#

if its up and u stand inside a group of enemies you pop it

#

its good to hold a bit to send it on adds instead of purely just 1 target

tired mulch
#

love pressing it anyways

dense elbow
#

good

#

OF can generally be seen as a before RB filler on ST

remote bobcat
#

its legit highest prio in ST

#

as thane

tired mulch
#

you guys been really helpful thanks alot, should ve asked before going insane for 4 hours straight at the delve boss

tired mulch
remote bobcat
dense elbow
#

It hits about twice as hard as a normal builder

tired mulch
remote bobcat
tired mulch
#

is it easier as tanks?

dense elbow
#

If you feel comfortable playing around tank CDs, then ye

#

As DPS you kinda need to level valeria first, so she can heal you efficently

tired mulch
#

lmao, i mean it was good training atleast, knowing my buttons and defensives now

dense elbow
#

as tank, it is more about you rotating correctly

#

?? boss is a 1-4 pull thing either way

strange oyster
#

is it good idea to put reck and avatar in mac

remote bobcat
#

no reason not to really

strange oyster
#

could you send me it

dense elbow
#

/cast avatar
/cast recklessness

#

add a #showtooltip at the top

burnt oxide
#

forgets about the showooltips

burnt oxide
#

smh

burnt oxide
#

i was not fast enough

dense elbow
#

s

#

m

#

...

#

h

remote bobcat
#

d

strange oyster
#

ty

#

for raid do you guys play thane or slayer

burnt oxide
#

there are fights for both

strange oyster
#

for dreamrift

#

what do you play

remote bobcat
#

go on warcraftlogs and check each boss top100

#

🤷‍♂️

#

i believe slayer finds more success on chimareus or whatev his name is

#

due to burst on adds

burnt oxide
#

most do thane

strange oyster
#

ah okay

hasty tree
#

has anyone the sim string for the different flasks, did search but not find

remote bobcat
#

both viable

#

good balance ja

burnt oxide
#

yeah they are

#

still most are thane

#

would decide based on your group i guess and what is more comfortable to you

remote bobcat
viscid acorn
hasty heart
#

hey guys, quick question, since haste mastery is my main stat, why weapon with same ilvl but vers mastery sims 2% stronger? Should I just follow the "whatever does more damage on sim" or stick to stat prios?

remote bobcat
#

overcapping one stat causes other stats to gain value

#

the sim shows that this is the case

hasty heart
remote bobcat
#

it's all relative

hasty heart
#

oh im with you, so just follow the sim

remote bobcat
#

yea

limpid elbow
#

hi

hasty heart
#

thanks a lot!

limpid elbow
#

why do i start w odyns fury as a first spell in rotation

remote bobcat
dense elbow
#

it enrages you, would prob be the logic

south barn
#

hey all! similar question but related to the opener and odyns fury. WoW head shows it used before avatar/recklessness and Method shows it used after them. Does it really matter? Appreciate any help!

#

this is for thane opener of course. sorry

remote bobcat
#

What

#

can you link that?

fallow escarp
#

On single target how often do yous use thunderclap? Especially when in avatar

fallow escarp
#

Ok, so mainly just bloodbath and rampage

remote bobcat
#

yes

fallow escarp
#

Im simming 62k dps and getting around 61k so i must be doing something alright

fallow escarp
#

Think i need to be pressing bloodbath a bit more though

south barn
remote bobcat
south barn
#

this says after

#

the wow head says before

remote bobcat
#

where

#

where does it say after

#

cds above odyns

south barn
#

there is wowhead

remote bobcat
burnt oxide
remote bobcat
south barn
burnt oxide
#

yeah it uses bloodthirst

#

for some reason

fallow escarp
#

Do yous press odyns before ava?

remote bobcat
burnt oxide
#

ava-> odyn

fallow escarp
#

Thougut that

remote bobcat
#

simultaneously

#

so odyns gets ava amp

echo rapids
#

Having CDs between odyns and the thunder blast means you sort of press instantly with odyns

coarse nest
#

I understand the confusion that could read as “use after odyns but before first Thunderblast “

#

But yes it is meant to be used with odyns

burnt oxide
#

(not really simultaniously but during same gcd)

tired mulch
#

how much dps should u you do on 5 dummies with 250gs? i do 120ish on hold

fallow escarp
#

You guys made me rethink there i was always pressing odyns in ava🤣

#

So ava>odyn>thunder on aoe opener?

coarse nest
#

Yes

#

Charge enrage cooldowns odyns tb

echo rapids
#

Odyns enrages you though

coarse nest
#

The sim, the guides, and higher logs all enrage first

south barn
#

so past the opener odyns never lines up with CDs anymore....just blow it when its up?

coarse nest
#

Not exactly sure why but it is best practice until proven otherwise

echo rapids
#

Just to avoid rage waste?

coarse nest
#

Actually believe the sim does charge + reck

#

I’d have to double check

remote bobcat
fallow escarp
#

Where do you see the sim for opener etc?

coarse nest
#

Run a quick sim and scroll down

echo rapids
#

In practice you could have odyns in your avatar macro

burnt oxide
#

my sim opener

coarse nest
#

Oh that’s interesting I do not remember it looking like that

echo rapids
burnt oxide
#

depends on the boss hitbox tbf

south barn
#

charge puts you in range?

coarse nest
remote bobcat
#

I mean

#

the only thing that actually deals damage is the DoT

#

the initial hit is a wet noodle

#

so ig its more optimal to click ava reck for the following gcd

echo rapids
#

That’s showing odyns at 0.0 so basically with charge

remote bobcat
#

to get one more good gcds within ava window

#

ig?

remote bobcat
echo rapids
#

Odyns will still land?

remote bobcat
#

yes

#

try it out

echo rapids
#

I see

burnt oxide
#

the range is huge

remote bobcat
#

min range charge is like 8 yards

#

no?

burnt oxide
#

yes

#

odyn is 12

echo rapids
#

Yeah but boss hit boxes can be odd

#

I’ll try it though

south barn
#

but doing it first before avatar/reck or after avatar reck shouldnt make a diff? Or is the GCD for going into thunderclap/rampage going to cost you?

remote bobcat
#

isnt it 7 yard radius?

burnt oxide
#

within means radius

echo rapids
#

That’s a 7 yard radius

burnt oxide
#

no=?

remote bobcat
south barn
#

tool tip says 12 yards for radius

remote bobcat
#

but i bet the diff is like 0.01%

south barn
#

for the bleed that is

echo rapids
coarse nest
#

What does bloodthirst do if you were to charge > BT

remote bobcat
coarse nest
#

Besides enrage

remote bobcat
#

just enrage

echo rapids
#

Actually what does odyns cooldown end up in practice with set?

burnt oxide
#

nothing

coarse nest
#

Exactly

burnt oxide
#

but why bt before if you could bb after

remote bobcat
#

no reason

coarse nest
#

Interesting to see Dan BT first

remote bobcat
#

method isnt reliable

burnt oxide
#

tbh most likely not the biggest deal

remote bobcat
#

maxroll also very funny ST opener

echo rapids
#

Odyns in combat has what? 20-25 sec cooldown with tier set?

remote bobcat
#

everything sims similarly ngl

burnt oxide
echo rapids
#

Gotta get that 80 rage!

coarse nest
#

Go find critcakes log

#

That’s how you play Kek

remote bobcat
#

salhadaar

coarse nest
#

Who knows why the odyns is so delayed

radiant plank
#

cuz its a bad button

#

lol

burnt oxide
#

would need to know which boss

radiant plank
#

Salhadaar as stated below the pic

coarse nest
#

First add spawn is that soon yeah

#

Idr

remote bobcat
#

ig

#

u can check bosses

#

basically perma holds

humble sleet
#

?? Boss was so easy as prot

#

always died in the last few % with fury before

echo rapids
remote bobcat
#

this is averzian

humble sleet
#

Healer

coarse nest
#

Rage dump before odyns

echo rapids
#

My god he’s casting odyns based on vibes

remote bobcat
#

he is not vibecasting odyns

humble sleet
#

2nd try, takes long af tho xd
1st try i messed up one interrupt and died

remote bobcat
#

thats false

echo rapids
#

😂

#

Is the first add on Salhadar that soon?

#

Felt longer

lavish sierra
#

Crit basically held it until the adds showed up on the first boss

remote bobcat
#

he didnt hold for add no

#

first add spawned like 8sec after he pressed odyns

echo rapids
#

Then why the diff in odyns usage?

old temple
#

First time crafting the 246 bracer's with Arcanoweaving, I assume I don't need to anymore since I have these?

echo rapids
#

Also did everyone swap over to the str pot or is it just if you can’t get mastery as top stat?

remote bobcat
#

revvez presses odyns on add spawn for example

#

at 18 seconds in

echo rapids
vivid pollen
#

apart from BS on slayer

remote bobcat
vivid pollen
#

yes it is

#

the point being, odyns is not a shit button

#

it is actually one of your best

remote bobcat
#

Odyns is good that u want it on cd but its shit enough to where you currently dont care if you have to hold it for 20 seconds just to use it on 3 or 4 targets

#

it's a shit button

vivid pollen
#

a button where you are willing to hold for a time to maximise its usage

#

I think definitionally

#

is a good button

digital mauve
#

So for raid Odyn should be hold for adds ?

#

Like Chimaerus ?

vivid pollen
#

it depends how long you'd have to hold for

#

also changes with 4 set

digital mauve
#

We'll have a tendancy to hold it more for adds with the tier set ?

clever path
#

If it sync

tranquil field
frosty scroll
#

slayer gameplay barely changes does it, just spam bt and include bs in the rotation, thats about it ye?

smoky nacelle
rare garnet
#

Can still run slayer in hero no problem

sweet flower
#

has anyone had good parses on Vorasius? Should I be going pure ST on this since the add phases are such a small part of the fight?>

pulsar quest
#

when u press odyns also depends on if u have 4p already too

#

if u have 4p u basically press on cd

#

cause u get it back so fast

#

if u dont then it prob has less value than bb or tc during cds

#

depending on add timings etc.

supple sinew
#

When I played classic tbc/wotlk on mage, there were a few content creators who made videos about how to play each fight/cd optimization. Is there any videos/resources like that for warrior in midnight?

sudden tusk
pulsar quest
#

help with adds if its needed

sweet flower
#

is slayer hands down best for ST?

pulsar quest
#

statistically yeah its a little better

#

if you introduce 2/3 targets thane climbs over easily

supple sinew
#

Get used to thane if 12.0.5 changes go through

pulsar quest
#

you could honestly play thane on every fight and not worry a bit also

vivid pollen
#

the 12.0.5 changes are genuinely disgusting

#

can't believe someone thought they were a good idea

sweet flower
#

what is changing in 12.0.5? I thoguht they were buffing bladestorm

#

which would help slayer

vivid pollen
#

significant nerf to reap the storm

#

and by extension sudden death

supple sinew
#

Slayer will be worse single target that patch than thane

#

And worse aoe

fallow escarp
#

Should i sim too see my opener is that best way too look?

vivid pollen
#

its literally going from a small chance on BT + gurantee after every 3 slayer strikes to just a small chance on whirlwind right?

#

absolutely garbage

pulsar quest
supple sinew
# smoky nacelle Wowhead

I see recommended specs for each fight but not the kind of specific breakdown im hoping for. Like dmg uptime min max per fight and cd optimaztion

pulsar quest
#

Typically when mythic comes out you will start to see encounter breakdowns

#

But as of now they all have vids explaining warrior and what talents to run, rotations, etc.

vivid pollen
#

but there's a bunch of people that do that, critcake being one

#

I watched his vid for dimensius

sudden tusk
#

I plan on making videos for mythic, but until I clear the boss myself I don't make encounter videos

#

Have some general guide stuff but mythic tuning can make things very different

pulsar quest
#

Are you gonna rip an updated rotation guide video for raid for both MT/Slayer once mythic tuning comes out

sudden tusk
#

Yeah they made some big changes for the 24th. Video might be a couple hours long

vivid pollen
#

🍿

pulsar quest
#

god bless i have something to listen to at work

sudden tusk
fallow escarp
#

I need more haste.. also what should i craft? I crafted bracers n got such a shit rank on it lmao..

digital mauve
#

So how's the ?? Delve boss on Thane ?

fallow escarp
#

I found it pretty good

#

It took me like 3 tries only because i fucked the interupt

digital mauve
#

Ok ? How différent it is from the normal one?

fallow escarp
#

It has one shot mechanic that you need to interuppt lots of puddlds on ground u need to avoid etc, its only the adds you need to kill really fast also

hard widget
#

if u go thane and just change a talent for enraged regen ur giga chilling

south chasm
#

what you guys been running in m0? seems like slayer for more aoe burst might be best

hard widget
#

Maybe just buy drums for the 3rd add and should be a cakewalk

river nimbus
fallow escarp
#

Also does anyone know an updated agatha mage tower guide, i got her too 20% but feel i just need a bit more damage

random shadow
#

thanes always best for keys anyways, unless tier set is like last season slayers but its not normally

rare garnet
#

Sad slayer noises

fallow escarp
#

When we get tier set do we prioritise ramage more than bloodbath in ava?

sudden tusk
#

Same pri

#

Prio

drifting token
#

Is having 4pc by now common at this point or still kind of a rarity

coarse nest
#

Only if you were spoon fed

#

Next week however it’ll be very common

#

2 catalyst charges available + two weeks of lockouts + vault luck

#

Average 4pc haver skyrockets

drifting token
#

Right ok

supple sinew
rare garnet
stray pivot
#

Hello! I'm trying to find out why Blizzard's CD manager doesn't recommend me to use Recklessness. Has it happened to anybody?

supple sinew
blissful hound
#

Imagine not having 4p by now

#

cringe.

supple sinew
#

Is that not the right link?

remote bobcat
remote bobcat
rare garnet
#

We ended our normal and heroic clears and did a guild stack. Only 2 pieces of plate tier. We have 6 plate. Same person won the greed rolls on both. The other 5 were kicked on the spot. Anyone recruiting?

stray pivot
#

Is there a way to go around that or is it just faulty design by Bliz?

remote bobcat
remote bobcat
#

not faulty lol

stray pivot
#

mmm, okay, I get you

#

I'll have to keep track of Recklessness/Avatar CD's then

#

Seems to be the only way

vivid pollen
#

is that... bad?

remote bobcat
#

dont rely on faulty crutches

orchid oyster
vivid pollen
drifting token
orchid oyster
#

Might want to hold for adds etc.

vivid pollen
drifting token
#

Ye I know

vivid pollen
remote bobcat
stray pivot
#

Hekili used to make everything more simple

orchid oyster
stray pivot
#

I kinda liked not having to think

unborn delta
stray pivot
#

xd

coarse nest
#

Oh if he’s a hekili enjoyer he doesn’t have to play with the one button but he could turn on the assistant

vivid pollen
#

the wow single button rotation also works at a huge haste reduction doesn't it?

remote bobcat
remote bobcat
#

what hes doing

orchid oyster
rare garnet
vivid pollen
remote bobcat
#

hes 2p and 2 catalysts

#

not 4p

coarse nest
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I wouldn’t have spent my catalyst on non heroic gear personally

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Not worth

mossy fox
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i'm just pressing buttons

rare garnet
stray pivot
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If possible I'm trying to avoid the single button rotation due to the penalty, hence why I'm asking these questions xD

drifting token
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Yes but your gaming chair is probably much better so

stray pivot
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Thanks for the advice guys

vivid pollen
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you press odyns at exactly the right time, every time

coarse nest
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Wait, once you aquire 4pc you can rando loot charges ?

remote bobcat
rare garnet
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Every time I get lucky enough to beat crit on a boss I print and frame it. Wife takes me for a lobster dinner. And my kids tell me they’re proud of me.

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It’s not often.

stray pivot
rare garnet
vivid pollen
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we believe in you johnny

sudden tusk
rare garnet
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Just smash buttons and have fun. Wows a game.

unborn delta
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odyns calm

vivid pollen
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wow

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maybe it is a bad button after all

coarse nest
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It’s pretty bad

sudden tusk
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Half the value of odyns is it auto enrages you and generate rage tbh

coarse nest
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And also is tier set

sudden tusk
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Damage itself is whatever

rare garnet
vivid pollen
mossy fox
dusky moon