fury

[ebon anvil]

i am undecided between rogue/warry/dk i want just fun to play / feel good rotation and high numbers in aoe/cleave and i am not sure where fury/rogue/dk sits in aoe/cleave dps for myth+

[cobalt kernel]

dk beats warrior in aoe for sure dno about rogue but i could be talking out of my ass maybe with the buffs and nerfs warrior could be good for a lack of better words but ultimately just play of wtv is fun for you

[ebon anvil]

okey ty

[coral sleet]

Do we as fury warrior spark craft weapon now?

[inner cedar]

Hiya, i was wondering which buffs and such are actually worth tracking and playing around?

Currently im only tracking Enrage and Meat Cleaver aswell as Avatar/Recklessness

[radiant plank]

Dont need those

Track enrage meat claver rend

[tight goblet]

Improved whirlwind, I forget how many presses I have left

[radiant plank]

anything that affects your decision making basically

[inner cedar]

Alright! Thanks

[native island]

how did you get 142k?

[fervent tundra]

Is fury still looking better than arms for raid atm?

[summer quail]

Yes. Still a massive gap

[fervent tundra]

thought so, wasn't sure if the arms buff would change that

[tiny seal]

there will likely be another tuning before mythic tho

[fervent tundra]

do we only use bladestorm with recklessness?

for ST

[vague stump]

https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/MID1_Raid.html

anyone know why warr dps aint on here yet? I guess profile isnt done?

[stoic echo]

I mean my DPS sim is 144k

I used consumes but no raid buffs

[fast mural]

Cause we are sandbagging

[stoic echo]

I'm ilvl 243 but my haste and mastery suck balls

Jet has way higher DPS than me cause he has like full mastery gear

[native island]

im 243 too, but on dummies i dont hit that haha

[misty thunder]

other people are probably more suited to answer but mostly yes, only with reck

[native island]

then again, i havent enchanted anything. Did you?>

[stoic echo]

well it was 5t aoe

I have enchants on weapons and 2 crafted embellished pieces

[native island]

aaah okay. i still have very bad weps and not crafted anything yet. so that's part of it

[stoic echo]

either way I'm really curious why my T--Clap damage contribution is so skewed compared to sim

[mystic echo]

what are you hitting for ST dummy if i may ask

[stoic echo]

sim has 50% more damage on T-Clap

[faint gazelle]

Hey, thinking about crafting a weapon, does the different damage ranges of the 2handers matter? Ive heard its very important but dont know the answer

[covert blaze]

it doesn't matter, it's normalized

[remote bobcat]

Hi Zhai

[supple laurel]

Where do we stand for raid / M+ compared to some other classes? Haven't had the chance to play yet

[stoic dirge]

update

[pure wind]

Any difference crafting mace or axe or sword?

[spare steppe]

I believe axe pattern comes from the raid

[radiant plank]

I dont think a buff would make feral sim go from 120k to 79k

[tropic inlet]

Sources?

😂

[pure wind]

So dps is the same?

[blissful hound]

Update from -5 months?

[tropic inlet]

They are the same, just look at them

[pure wind]

Thanks, not in my pc rn

[bitter palm]

holy feral sandbag

[terse ether]

I was gonna ask if we should rend on targets 3 to 5

but theres no point now right 😛

[modest wave]

We got a best spec per boss breakdown yet?

For raid, obviously

[fading sky]

Yes

Fury

[fading sky]

it would app

[modest wave]

meant more in line with Slayer vs Thane, looks like majority of fights arent really add heavy as much as swap target and blast this mob that spawned.

[radiant plank]

You open any rwf warrior pov

and copy their talent setup for the fight

for norm / hc add dmg might not be that relevant so slayer is your best bet most likely

if you had a bunch of adds to hit then thane might be better

[stiff barn]

Ret better than us lol

[modest wave]

Middle of the pack DPS is within a few k DPS of eachother and the perception of it is a bit skewed imo

[fading sky]

well

ret is prob the best melee by far now

consider what it can do

and its current profile, at least in M?

m+

@mossy fox another season of QRVA carry !

[stiff barn]

Is that factoring in the buff on reset btw?

[fading sky]

yes

if not arms would be WAY worse

and fury as well 😄

[stiff barn]

True that

[fading sky]

2 of the better melee funnel specs now

are top ST dps as well

very good blizzard

havoc deffo needs ST tax for being that good at funnelski

[rare garnet]

Why? Nah havoc good

Fury also loses what… 0.7% to pickup AOE?

[fading sky]

i mean not rly

u loose a global

of st dmg

where as Havoc with 3 targets does MORE st

thats my point as to why there should be the opposite gap

[earnest canyon]

wait what? Why did feral go from top melee to bottom? Who is making this spreadsheet and why the change?

[lavish dome]

does anybody know which delve is good xp today??

[rare garnet]

All lists are fake. Ignore. You’re a warrior. No need to care about others.

[tiny seal]

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[rapid arrow]

Eh..

I'm kinda speechless about making tier list when the season hasn't launched yet but...

This is the wow community culture

[burnt oxide]

I sure love my sims where i can just slap the boss with 100% uptime and have no real world application for it

[drifting token]

This is any online game culture

[rapid arrow]

I personally despise Sims, but that's just me.

I usually got purple parce on my own without any computer simulation telling me what to do

[burnt oxide]

Sims is always a good measure if you sim against your own spec to evaluate upgrades

[rapid arrow]

People use it and follow it like it's some sort of religion, well, many not all people.

But that's on them.

[granite crown]

Every single guide is based on computer simulation, it's not some horrible irrelevant tool.
This list is just a shit application of it since most people interpret it like idiots

[radiant plank]

sims are a cock measuring contest

[rapid arrow]

Either way, I will trust those tier list after at least 4 to 5 weeks into Season 1

[burnt oxide]

I dunno how it is rn, but in the past some apls had some humanly impossible actions

[rare garnet]

Comparison is the thief of joy.

[granite crown]

Handled differently from spec to spec, another reason comparing between specs is idiotic. Mages tend to use a .react function that inserts a ~200ms delay between proc and reaction for example.

[rapid arrow]

I mean... Just by looking at that ret paladin position, that just tells me the procs of Art of War were consistent to say the least.

Something that can just not happen irl

And I say that with confident because that easy spec is my main for years.

[rare garnet]

Tanks are old. It’s known. When I sit at a traffic light it takes people 3-10s to notice the light is green. Therefore, tank sims should insert 3-10s wait between buttons becoming available.

[rare garnet]

You don’t make the shamans kill themselves outside of their cooldowns to buff the ret? How could you.

[rapid arrow]

Lol

[granite crown]

You don't understand how sims work if you think that's how it works

[rapid arrow]

Again, I don't really wanna understand them.

I don't like the Sims culture at all.

But I won't try to talk people out of something they like.

Each one play the way they want.

[granite crown]

Don't mind, just shouldn't be talking so confidently about stuff you "don't want to understand"

[rapid arrow]

Ok

[rare garnet]

They’re very valuable to understand. It’s a great way to know how they’re getting the numbers or to test your own possible changes. I hate thinking so I fiddle with them all the time to see if doing something easier could result in a little loss for my brain to more easily work. Know how sims get there is great. Blindly trusting random charts is bad.

[modest wave]

He's content with purple parsing, to each their own

Others use sims to push higher

[rare garnet]

I mean. Insulting purple parses is kinda wild tbh.

[modest wave]

What I mean is he isnt striving for higher

[rare garnet]

But I guess when you’re like you with all 99-100 mythic logs it’s easy to forget that’s pretty good performance

[modest wave]

Id prefer to squeeze out as much as I can and I use sims for that

others dont necessarily want to do that, and thats ok

[rare garnet]

Anyone that parses lower than me is casual trash. Anyone that parses higher is a no life incel.

[molten wing]

Boss Dying > Parsing and when its turned around you become a problem/burden to your guild, at least during Prog or Reclearing an annoying boss

[rare garnet]

I can’t wait till half my guild uses this potion that spawns void zones. Parsing is crucial.

[burnt oxide]

I hate those kind of trinkets

Or any kind of stuff that forces you to chase or stand still for a certain amount of time

Sims good, does not apply well

[turbid fog]

They’ve kind of done an ok job balancing in that way. There’s outliers at the top and then uh. Feral/arms are certainly specs that exist

[rare garnet]

Arm keeps spamming slayer dead memes but the chart says it’s bis. Who knows.

[turbid fog]

The chart says the whole spec is dead

[fallen sorrel]

Colossus was never alive

[radiant plank]

gif spam is relateed to the 0.5 changes

which are like 2-3 months away

[burnt oxide]

I hope they are ♾️ months away

[turbid fog]

How to get into a group as arms: get in as fury and spec swap at the last second. Ensure your group lead can’t kick you because the key is already started by the time they realize it.

[rapid arrow]

🤣🤣🤣

[modest wave]

https://tenor.com/view/watchmen-gif-8794746

[rapid arrow]

I mean is just sad how undertuned that spec is

[unborn delta]

when did they nerf feral

did I miss a wowhead post

[turbid fog]

Feral being both of the bottom spots is a huge yikes

[radiant plank]

They didnt

those are some

dooogsht sims

[unborn delta]

did I hallucinate it being at 120k yesterday

[radiant plank]

feral is atm the highgest simming spec in the game

[unborn delta]

on the stupid sim chart that ppl trust

[rapid arrow]

No, they didn't nerf them

[rare garnet]

Having two hero talents each was a terrible idea. Balance was already rough then they essentially doubled the amount of classes with 1 change. We will suffer until they remove them in a massive class overhaul for 14.0

[unborn delta]

ppl just using old apl or something to sandbag?

[rapid arrow]

I guess

Feral druid actually got some buffs

[rare garnet]

I hope feral cranks and is meta they deserve to be good for 1 tier

[turbid fog]

Feral druids doing what unholy dk was too afraid to do: sandbag and lie until mythic week

[open mountain]

Wpn embellishment or 2x spore?

[rare garnet]

And it means phys comp is better for me

[spare steppe]

Same

Phys comp means a warrior!

[rapid arrow]

I mean with the whole snapshootting in TWW they were good

[rare garnet]

Good =/= meta

[unborn delta]

theres also a lot less feral players so it will be easier to form a sandbag cartel

[rapid arrow]

Oh well

[drifting token]

been hearing it's gonna prob be one of if not the best prio dmg spec on the game post buff. Purely numbers wise ofc, melee problems notwithstanding.

[rare garnet]

Most importantly the better feral is the less boomkins I have to see

[pure echo]

Yo what should we be crafting embellish wise before next week?

I know wowhead has like bis craft embellishes but apparently we want one with vet crests now

[rapid arrow]

Well.. With that buff they got, you prolly see many boomkins flying around so..

[rapid arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/boomkin-dancing-bird-weird-gif-16499522

[mossy fox]

critrake is ready

[radiant plank]

Double your raid dps with this one simple trick

even the experts wont know what happened

your raid leader hates this trick

[bold forge]

Shouldn’t he love it

[native wadi]

We rerolling boys?

[radiant plank]

going from 1 -> 0 warriors is objectively not a nice thing for the raid leader

[native wadi]

Got my feral to 90 yesterday

Already does same overall as warr

[radiant plank]

gl trying to read the feral druid apl

[native wadi]

20 ilvl leas

Less

I just faceroll buttons

Same as warr tbh

[radiant plank]

can you tell me when should I press my cds or refresh my rip

[blissful hound]

lmao

[native wadi]

Wtf

[lavish sierra]

That's just the old cat form squiggles in English

[radiant plank]

meanwhile warrior

[dense elbow]

Just tells us they got apl writers that as re over thinking it

[tiny seal]

referring to arms is like referring to a turtle trying 100m olympic sprints

[blissful hound]

Most APLs are pretty short tho

[modest wave]

john madden feral meme relevant again?

[lavish sierra]

Yes

[modest wave]

time to bust out the albino snake pet from wrath again and bearweave

[radiant plank]

arcane apl is 5 lines, 4 if you dont count an aoe situation

[compact siren]

@warm crag spread some misinformation please

[lavish sierra]

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/blob/midnight/engine/class_modules/apl/mage.cpp. it's probably like that but like when you get into conditionals those grow at 2 to the power of real shit

[somber nebula]

according to wowhead we should not use bladestorm as slayer outside cds, is this correct?

[drifting token]

lol what cds

[somber nebula]

reck

[remote bobcat]

in ST you can send bladestorm if reck cd is larger than 30 seconds in ST and larger than 10seconds in AoE

iirc

actions.slayer+=/avatar
actions.slayer+=/rampage,if=buff.enrage.remains<gcd|rage>=100
>>>>>>>>>actions.slayer+=/bladestorm,if=(buff.enrage.up&talent.deft_experience|buff.enrage.remains>1)&(buff.recklessness.up|cooldown.recklessness.remains>30)
actions.slayer+=/odyns_fury
actions.slayer+=/bloodbath
actions.slayer+=/rampage,if=buff.recklessness.up
actions.slayer+=/execute
actions.slayer+=/crushing_blow
actions.slayer+=/bloodthirst
actions.slayer+=/rampage
actions.slayer+=/wrecking_throw
actions.slayer+=/rend,if=dot.rend.duration<6
actions.slayer+=/raging_blow
actions.slayer+=/whirlwind
actions.slayer+=/storm_bolt,if=buff.bladestorm.up

actions.slayer_aoe=whirlwind,if=talent.improved_whirlwind&buff.whirlwind.stack=0
actions.slayer_aoe+=/recklessness
actions.slayer_aoe+=/avatar
actions.slayer_aoe+=/rampage,if=buff.enrage.remains<gcd|rage>=110
>>>>>>>>>>>actions.slayer_aoe+=/bladestorm,if=(buff.enrage.up&talent.deft_experience|buff.enrage.remains>1)&(buff.recklessness.up|cooldown.recklessness.remains>10)
actions.slayer_aoe+=/odyns_fury
actions.slayer_aoe+=/bloodbath
actions.slayer_aoe+=/execute,if=buff.sudden_death.up
actions.slayer_aoe+=/rampage,if=buff.recklessness.up
actions.slayer_aoe+=/whirlwind,if=talent.improved_whirlwind&buff.recklessness.up
actions.slayer_aoe+=/crushing_blow
actions.slayer_aoe+=/bloodthirst
actions.slayer_aoe+=/rend,if=dot.rend_dot.duration<6
actions.slayer_aoe+=/execute
actions.slayer_aoe+=/rampage
actions.slayer_aoe+=/whirlwind,if=talent.improved_whirlwind
actions.slayer_aoe+=/raging_blow
actions.slayer_aoe+=/storm_bolt,if=buff.bladestorm.up```

[drifting token]

They'll always have mialigned cds so you can't always hold it for reck but if theyre close to syncing up then hold

[remote bobcat]

check where the >>>>>>>> lines are

[somber nebula]

got it ty

[smoky basin]

Which bosses is everyone going thane on?

Is it just the paladins?

[ruby venture]

guys should i use vet crests to upgrade items? i'm following the larias' sheet and it says that you should save 160 vet crests for 246 ilvl pieces but seems pointless since in the next week m0 will drop champions gear

[smoky basin]

I think the idea is that the champion gear makes your vet crests useless except a small amount to save you champ crests. Those vet crests would also be farmable this week

[blissful hound]

Thats the point - fully upgraded veteran items are equal to 2/6 champion track, meaning you can save some champion crests

[ruby venture]

so i should just upgrade vet gear at this point and avoid crafting any vet item with embelllishment

[blissful hound]

You wait and see what champion items you get (before raid or so) and then upgrade the veteran slots you have champion items on so the first champion upgrade is free

[ruby venture]

oh i see, thats fair

i thought the usage of veteran crests was to upgrade the blue items on the crafting table, that required 80 crests each

[wind sentinel]

So out of curiosity, how far behind would mountains be on pure single target or should I just get used to slayer lol

[blissful hound]

Its only 3k according to sim, so not a whole lot

Thane and Slayer are extremely close in gameplay anyway

[wind sentinel]

Fantastic
I love tclap something fierce lol

[proud vessel]

can we craft any non spark gear already?

Or is that not a thing and i am misremembering? 😄

[dry hawk]

I wish they would just release M+ 😭

[robust onyx]

Will it be possible to craft a 2h heroic weapon first week without doing the heroic raid?

[keen talon]

Unless you can find heroic crests somewhere else, no

I think the value in crafting a veteran weapon at 259 is you can put embellishments on it and upgrade it later. In addition to it being a 259 weapon, which is likely better anyway

[heavy dock]

259 wep is big dmg up yes

esp since u can always recraft

[echo rapids]

Takes no crests to do

Let’s you upgrade your offhand to 259 for free

[robust onyx]

Yeah I'm leaning towards crafting a 2H instead of other embellishment slot, was curious only about possibility of crafting the Heroic one before the first raiding sesh on Wednesday

[median umbra]

I wanna put the sparkle embellish on mine for the funny

[robust onyx]

which one is it?

[median umbra]

it’s called lucky keychain

[echo rapids]

Not possible to get the crests, and heroic crests are more useful this seasons

Would be a waste - craft 259 and then save up myth crests

[shadow maple]

Then we craf weapon with spark and enbellish with vet crest no

[robust onyx]

thanks a lot

[still remnant]

mining or engineering for pushing keys? Assume engie for brez

[brittle mauve]

Imma need a step by step list of what to do with crests and gear come Tuesday aft tyvm

[subtle nebula]

yo lucky fury folk, trying to work on the spec for the first time since arms sucks. just a small question about CDs, i can see that bloodthirst will always enrage you first time you hit the target with it, does that mean you open with 1 bloodthirst then pop all cds ?

any explaination would be nice

[rare garnet]

Larias guide

Disobey and ban

[wind sentinel]

What makes a better fury warrior, pandaren mechagnome or nightelf? I apparently went nuts leveling with the various xp boost events lol

[real cape]

The one you like because then it'll be easier to stick with.

Raw damage is probably mecha, keys, pvp and qol (combat drop) is nelf.

Panda to look sick in chunky plate

[wind sentinel]

True I’ve got banger mogs for the panda and nightelf so I’m slightly biased

[real cape]

Yerrr. I think mechagnome only really works if you've got something to match the gold, silver or rust which is VERY limiting.

[wind sentinel]

“Fury warrior “

[real cape]

Also you get the lil thin stumpy limbs which look awk without the heritage.

[real cape]

Like ye that owns.

[misty thunder]

isnt the rez item just an AH item and you dont need to be engi?

[wind crystal]

I dont think the M3DDY needs engineering

[still remnant]

yea, i guess i dont know what the best profession would be then

[wind sentinel]

I like that it’s vague tbh

I would go alchemy personally but that’s because I don’t like buying flasks and potions lol

[misty thunder]

well and you get longer time on each flask

but professions dont really matter that much for raid or m+

[golden fern]

i see guide on wowhead has weapon as bis craft, with hunt. spores nolonger worth?

[echo rapids]

They’ve mostly eliminated tangible performance benefits from professions, they don’t matter anymore

[still remnant]

gotcha

[rare forum]

Spore embellishment is rip? Was still in the guide yesterday.

[golden fern]

yeah i saw that too. looked now and bis offhand is crafted wep with dm: hunt

then arcanoweave on bracers

[radiant plank]

Yeah it was updated

to match the embe weaving from a while ago

[frank crystal]

Do we got any haste mastery crit cap ?

[blissful hound]

Just sim

[frank crystal]

I see

[fading sky]

❤️

[pearl oracle]

are we play slayer on m+?

[radiant plank]

thane

[pearl oracle]

thanks

[pliant vine]

Hi what do we crafting rn?

[tiny seal]

what was updated exactly? didnt see anything just saw sims yesterday

[smoky vale]

apl

[delicate spear]

so does (will) Fury Slayer's Bloodthirst AND Whirlwind proc Reap now, or only BT at 20%?

[dense elbow]

Only BT, the Reap on WW is the 12.0.5

[delicate spear]

so in 12.0.5 BT and WW both will Reap

[dense elbow]

Nop

Only WW

[delicate spear]

Archi's latest Fury update in #updates-midnight says BT will have 20% chance tho?

[odd crater]

Tuesday update and 12.0.5 are different, AFAIK

Tuesday will be 20% BT, 12.0.5 will be WW only

[shrewd pebble]

Hey there which embelish we doin ?

[fading sky]

12.05 Fury slayer is dead to me

ngl

[fading sky]

hunt

• arcanoweave i reckon

[jagged socket]

thane feels so clunky compared to slayer

[fading sky]

i mean not rly

u just clap in big packs

it feels clunky ATM in m0 Yes

coz shits dead to fast

but once u hit just a bit harder keys thane is awesome

[odd crater]

I will ride or die on the slayer train

[fading sky]

then u die

12.05

[jagged socket]

dont think thane can ever approach how fun slayer was last season

imho

[fading sky]

LOL

thane was more fun

last tier

[odd crater]

Imagine arguing over opinions of fun for others

[fading sky]

slayer last season was NOT impressive

u just pressed RB

now the DMG profile, and the pace was good

[jagged socket]

bladestorm go brr

im simple

i cant pretend to be anything else

[fading sky]

but u were rly just pressin rb

all im saying is pre that change, i was having a BLAST as thane 😉

when u had fast insta procs galore

and u just clapped and bted

[jagged socket]

but now we dont have that

[odd crater]

Ya'll can RP as Thor. I'm gunna zug as a true warrior 🙂

[jagged socket]

and it feels clunky

to me

[fading sky]

as i said, in bigger keys

it feels ok

also slightly more stats does make it feel better ( haste )

[shrewd pebble]

@fading sky craft 2 h wep right ?

[fading sky]

i am

i dont c a reason not to

[robust onyx]

they are going to change the WW reap the storm proc bs 100%

[fading sky]

not giving it any crests obviously

[fading sky]

we prob allready spammin WW In aoe

sooo

i doubt it

tbh the whole change to Reap is SUCH A miss

i cant describe it

like

remove reap from EVERYTHING

BUT SD

and it will fantastic as slayer

Hey i get a proc NOW I KILL in aoe AND st

[unkempt galleon]

It was perfect and fluid and beautiful

[fading sky]

like i dont c the downside of that design

removing it from BT is healthy

i will not deny that

as it opens up entire talent tree in theory depending on tuning

[jagged socket]

i would love to see reap on SD

[fading sky]

ONLY SD

[jagged socket]

and make execute more juicy as a result

[fading sky]

exactly

slayer is all about SD and bladestorm imho

not making sd be a MUST push in all scenarios

is just the biggest dumbest thing ever

[jagged socket]

huge agree

[fading sky]

like i also agree as slayer arms playe

[robust onyx]

bro is spitting facts

[fading sky]

cleave + reap prob a BAD idea

but that we get to keep Why?

but tuning makes it so u just dont take cleave and spam WW blizzard please

cant u c the obvious design flaw making a HERO talent Aoe only, bound to spells that has NOTHING to do with slayer

WW + rend is nice though like why not

[blissful hound]

You know what would be even better? No rend at all

[fading sky]

i mean... i do not feel that Fury needs rend no

[blissful hound]

No spec needs it

[fading sky]

it is deffo in my mind an arms thing and should stay an arms thing

[jagged socket]

but if its going to have it, bake it into ww agree

[fading sky]

i want it in arms, but ive played arms for to long

[blissful hound]

Even as Arms its so pointless

It doesnt do anything

[fading sky]

nah its not

its rend

[blissful hound]

great.

[fading sky]

its better than pressing slam

and it resets OP

like

it does have some interaction

in fury its 100% weird

[blissful hound]

Fury has more bleeds than Arms does

[fading sky]

i mean i dno why fury should have Exe bleed no

felt like a thing that could push arms above fury in exe. situations

[drifting token]

Like thematically fury is the more blood-crazed psycho spec so some blood themes feel appropriate

[blissful hound]

If only any bleed was interesting

Its all just there

[jagged socket]

im not against the idea of bleeds on fury, but how do you make it feel good...

[blissful hound]

Only thing I can think of is a haste or mastery buff for each bleed on the target

[lavish sierra]

idk we have like the overwhelmed thing on each target

maybe something ala dk frost strikes causing stacks over 5 to explode

[drifting token]

The berserker rage function of ramping/stacking power should be tied to the bleeds

[digital mauve]

Is the 10% buff + the applying of rend via WW now gonna make it for the nerf on Reap for slayer ?

[brittle mauve]

Just play Thane

[rare garnet]

No

[turbid fog]

Can I link the bad chart again or did we stop

Is there a better one than this

[rare helm]

We are not meta but at least we are warriors!💪

Things can change so I’m not gonna get crazy about dps rankings

Unless you and your guild are pros and want to server first

Not my case

[rare garnet]

This is completely accurate and a representation of your classes real performance. Anything not listed in the top 3 is trash and you should be embarrassed. If you’re not rerolling you don’t care about your raid team and should be replaced.

[turbid fog]

We running no melee this tier boys

[drifting token]

Something is extremely terribly wrong with the feral numbers which then leads to skepticism on all the other numbers so by default this is kinda unusable.

[rare garnet]

Rogues and hunters always sandbag. 2 weeks from now “we found an error in the sim” and they gain 30k dps.

[trail bane]

each spec uses individually designed sims, so one spec under/overperforming doesnt mean all of them do

[turbid fog]

I don’t think assassination is sandbagging sadly

[trail bane]

but i have heard that there are some trinkets that arent simming correctly

maybe that has an impact

[turbid fog]

They seem to just actually suck

[radiant plank]

That would affect all specs

[turbid fog]

No, see, trinkets are class specific

[trail bane]

all specs that use those trinkets

in their sim

[echo rapids]

are these Max single target builds?

[turbid fog]

Supposedly but the Feral one is

Weird

[spare steppe]

Feral is at like 120 or something nutty

[proven stream]

thats hella outdated

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GKshVVe_RAXO0I7kFnmg4Nu7kkqbJRV4GItbUHCvLfc/htmlview?pru=AAABnRIFB9s*#gid=1774556142

[rigid chasm]

you can do it mentally, but it would be nice to consolidate and get rid of the inferior hero specs nobody is gonna play

[spare steppe]

Prot being second in tank dps is scary

[proven stream]

you can just make a copy

and hide the lines

i can do it later, busy atm

[sour elbow]

what's even crazier is prot is only 4 - 12k behind arms looooooooool

[native wadi]

So

We dooming

[rigid chasm]

oh no worries please don't bother

[native wadi]

Or not?

Veredict?

Totally dooming?

[proven stream]

if u only play arms, yes doom

if u willing to play fury, still ok

[smoky basin]

That chart shows us below every other class

[ionic hamlet]

Obviously sims will tell us our stats, but I was curious at what haste % would the rotation feel much better

[smoky basin]

Oh, I guess not below priest

[pure hornet]

is thane still best? or are gonna find out tomorrow

[solar zephyr]

find out tomorrow

but it looks like thane will stay for aoe

[limber sleet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kpQikNWxpLxvqNeyBLUDEw

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bcTgvRaZobq8qhSqzvctCw

thoughts on these sims? seems like dropping wrath and fury is the best for taking enraged regen in the rage builds, only .5% loss in ST and no loss in aoe

i saw some people floating the idea of dropping massacre but that just seems worse, is there any other talent that makes any sense to drop?

[modest condor]

the no massacre is with thane

since you normally dont play slayer on aoe

[echo rapids]

At a glance some of those specs have almost no aoe/cleave, can’t see them running like that in raid

[proven stream]

ofc these are just ST sims

k i sorted it for best of each spec and best of each class

[oak folio]

Hey guys I need some advice, I’ve been saving my crafting sparks tomorrow I’ll have 4 I’m at 242 item lvl rn what is his to craft and get done tmmr, my weak points are my weapons right now but debating if I should craft a weapon because m0 will be daily as of tmmr

[azure cedar]

you do everything and craft whatever is your weak link

[eternal sundial]

Good players get heroic weapons from splits || dont listen to me im clueless ||

[azure cedar]

so if you're still missing your weapon after m0s and preys etc craft a weapon

[limber sleet]

im pretty confident spark crafting a 2h weapon is fine since most guilds wont give you 2 weapons, but maybe your that priveledged guy

[oak folio]

I was debating on that, but apparently BIS drafting is wrist and waist

[robust onyx]

it is bis when you obtain all the slots

[oak folio]

Oh so more like end game?

[robust onyx]

yeah it will probably take you some time to collect all these items from the bis list

[oak folio]

Got it thank you, yeah I’ll prob end up hitting up a 2h wep tmmr then

[robust onyx]

you can also run some sims and make a decision

[granite crown]

Most guilds won't get multiple mythic clears of the 5th boss in Voidspire until you already have more than enough sparks either

[rigid chasm]

you could get lucky in vault, but RNG

[turbid fog]

Where rider frost at

[drifting token]

look at the original

[nocturne bluff]

What ilvl?

[proven stream]

bis

[woven sky]

Hey, just have a quick question, do we always align Bladestorm with Recklessness in ST or it doesn't matter ?

[dense elbow]

As BS on ST is in dire need of BBs to carry its value, I would presume as much

Also me saying that usually brings ppl out of the woodwork

[nocturne bluff]

HOW DARE YOU

Honestly its a toughy because sudden death procs are so inconsistent

Its feast or famine for me

in an 8 minute boss fight, i'd end up losing out on like 2 extra bladestorms

assuming sudden deaths procced average rate

[dense elbow]

Wowhead seem to agree with my assumption

First time i checked wowhead in a long long time, apparently i dont need to - my vibes are one with the APL either way

[earnest canyon]

why does feral keep moving, who is doing these sims

[dense elbow]

Feral been hidden opop a long time, now it got buffed to the moon - kittykatts gonna be purring purrrfect parrrses

[earnest canyon]

im interested because I levelled 4 classes, and druid was one

[dense elbow]

Fair enough, all i know is what the lads found on the beta, it was looking good. Now I only get cat meme's, so druid prob a neat alt pick

I dont know about boomie tho, if Feral should get a slap on the paws

[proven stream]

its been up there since i got this link

[echo rapids]

It also does really good aoe damage in keys

It’s a good spec right now

[dense elbow]

Really good, might be the understatement of the patch

[echo rapids]

Got the classic Druid problem of not being ideal when another Druid spec is great and resto is still the best healer

[deep nimbus]

Question - when enraged, is my priority (based on how much dmg the spell does) Bloodthirst > rampage > raging blow?

[dense elbow]

Resto do be strong, but think about it:
BrM, Rsham, Fury, Feral, Ret

[echo rapids]

The wowhead priority lists are pretty clear under rotation

[rare garnet]

replace ret with aug so my meters look better

[echo rapids]

Ret can get out doesn’t bring shit

[dense elbow]

Remove us, cause we dont belong, even with the AP buff

[deep nimbus]

oh damn my bad, I thought this would be the place to ask since it's the fury warrior discord, my B

[torpid fossil]

Havoc instead of ret is the pumper melee comp

[dense elbow]

Funnel do be strong

[stable cove]

are we safe to craft weap this week?

[dense elbow]

I would wait and see what drops from my first mythic vault, but i mean, I see no real harm

[fossil hull]

should we just be using up the veteran crests ?

or any point in waiting ?

[stable cove]

war is my split toon so im not gonna get a myth vault for at least 2 weeks

[echo rapids]

The guides have all the answers in depth for all specs and with clearly written explanations and graphics

[stable cove]

larias guide says hold vet crests

[dense elbow]

M+

[stable cove]

yeah so 2 weeks

m+ not for 8 more days

vault in 14

[dense elbow]

Ah, in that way, thought ya mean as from after season start

[north rose]

i thought the play was to craft a 2h, then up it to mythic cuz it can just go in OH eventually

[torpid fossil]

I'm crafting a weapon frame 1

[echo rapids]

You don’t specify aoe or single target, slayer or thane

[dense elbow]

It is the proven play, but! I keep getting twohanders in two weeks, wasting my little shards

This season i wont do that!

Well, i prob will, but i say now I wont

[deep nimbus]

Single target mountain thane, Im going through the wowhead page.

[nocturne bluff]

So just to be clear... If you use crests to upgrade a 2H weapon, you don't have to use crests to upgrade your offhand, correct?

Do mythic crests act the same as vet?

[dense elbow]

Yep, nor shields and so on at HC track

[nocturne bluff]

nice

[dense elbow]

Imagine if you get a 2h two weeks in a row tho

The despair

[torpid fossil]

I know my luck, I don't see weapons for 4 weeks

[nocturne bluff]

Way she goes, bud

[digital steppe]

hows fury looking? about to level up a toon for midnight

[nocturne bluff]

Gonna get buffed on tuesday

but still upper middle of pack

[echo rapids]

I didn’t see a 2 hander for the first 9 weeks of s3, I’ll take the risk

[nocturne bluff]

ST could use a little extra juice

[young swan]

solidly eh

[spare steppe]

Pretty sure lower middle atm

[nocturne bluff]

even with 10% adjustment?

[dense elbow]

High mid, performance wise. Same thing as every year, miss sophie

[echo rapids]

We are lower mid of pure st, but do good aoe and cleave without ST loss

I think we will be fine

[dense elbow]

We always fine

[stable cove]

what the fuck we need 4 sparks to craft a 2h?

[echo rapids]

Every raid fight so far has adds

[digital steppe]

is the rotation pretty fun?

[spare steppe]

#fury message

Rotation feels great

[young swan]

depends on if ur referring to raid or m+ performance

but ST is bad

[torpid fossil]

If you like pressing 2 buttons in aoe it's fun

[echo rapids]

They switched from half sparks per week to full

[dense elbow]

They made it 4 sparks, instead of 4 halves, turned to 2

Same thing

[stable cove]

so i cant craft a weapon until the 31st anyway

yikers

well i guess technically the 24th

[spare steppe]

You should have 3 sparks already

[echo rapids]

Well positioned for another modest buff on the 24th

[stable cove]

oh shit im missing one on this toon then

[dense elbow]

I got 1

[nocturne bluff]

Surely TM

[stable cove]

hmmge

[nocturne bluff]

Revert 50% auto attack dmg nerf

[olive wraith]

But people loved s3 tww!

[spare steppe]

Try the untangling your timelines trick

[echo rapids]

I have foreseen it

[nocturne bluff]

revert RB 20% nerf

[stable cove]

can you explain

i play havoc im regarded

[warm crag]

this might genuinely be a worse patch note to read than an aura buff

[echo rapids]

🫡

[stable cove]

[nocturne bluff]

would make the bottom right quadrant of tree actually usable

[stable cove]

oh wait im missing one from world tour quest i think

[nocturne bluff]

with the 20% RB nerf reversion ofc

[spare steppe]

In the inn, talk to soridami about untangling your timelines. Then go talk to lorthimar and he should have the world tour quest

Which didn’t show up for some characters

[echo rapids]

It’s a thane season, just enjoy it

Big clappas

[nocturne bluff]

Wild that Thane is avatar > Bladestorm and its the better AOE spec

[olive wraith]

.5 patch is secretly preparing us for the s2 bleed tier

[olive wraith]

Why is that weird

[nocturne bluff]

spin to win being single target

that's why

[olive wraith]

I mean it’s not entirely bs making up the st diff

[maiden ingot]

Force of Nature > One spinny weirdo

[nocturne bluff]

its pretty big difference honestly

[random shadow]

is it really tho

[olive wraith]

The spec sure

[nocturne bluff]

i go from like 36-38k dummy to 42-43k dummy when i swap from thane to Slayer BS

[olive wraith]

It’s not exclusive from bs though

[nocturne bluff]

with just avatar

its only like a 2k dps diff

so to me thats a big diff

the 15% haste coming out of BS during reck uptime

[warm crag]

skill issue

[nocturne bluff]

is kinda massive

[stable cove]

im so glad world tour quests arent retroactive so i have to do them all again

[nocturne bluff]

What's your dummy ST?

With thane/Slayer

[warm crag]

dunno i dont hit dummies to determine my dps

[nocturne bluff]

lol

so you're just saying words then

[rare garnet]

In sims we trust

[wind token]

arent we all

[warm crag]

i get to skill issue you if your metric you care about is target dummy performance

[nocturne bluff]

That's a weird statement.. Dummy ST is indicative of how well you have your rotation down

good baseline benchmark..

[random shadow]

fight fight fight

[rare garnet]

And rotation. Should be like 5% going slayer so maybe his 38k to like 40k. But there is an extra 3k dps. Thane isn’t 12% behind in ST

[warm crag]

if you think so

how do you account for sim variance in a target dummy test

[echo rapids]

Thane is also harder to play

[random shadow]

is it really tho

i find thane easier then Slayer for most part

[echo rapids]

Although that’s all relative

[lavish sierra]

how do you account for sims potentially having unrealistic assumptions about reaction to procs tho

[maiden ingot]

Huh, just hit the dummy 5000-10000 times for 5 minutes? Huh?????

[warm crag]

yeah ive got time

[nocturne bluff]

Correct me if i'm wrong but sims are not your upper limit, they are kind of the median target based on gear/talents

so why would I target the median

[warm crag]

i dont think fury has any unaccountable for procs right now other than maybe autoattacks moving your rage above some threshold but i think the thresholds picked already account for auto attack procs

[rare garnet]

Not quite right

[nocturne bluff]

median with proper rotation?

like if you hit optimal rotation, that's your benchmark based on gear/talents

[lavish sierra]

you get given a dps error and range in the sim

[warm crag]

no cause what you call your optimal rotation has variance aswell

[maiden ingot]

Median of Iterations. And you target the median or the average because that's the most reliable result. You wouldn't base everything around the 1 in 10000. And it never averages unoptimal rotations.

It's always optimal.

[warm crag]

you'd have to hit the target dummy your sim iteration amount of times and then look at your median or whatever

or some smalelr amount if you want some confidence amount dont worry i should know this i studied this

[random shadow]

Theres reason why we have robots sim our stuff both rotation and gear

[warm crag]

tldr you are wasting your time hitting a target dummy to compare with your sim numbers

[willow cradle]

Nah I do the math myself

EZ

[warm crag]

go fight some real bosses or keys

[nocturne bluff]

I can understand if your dummy ST is lower than sim but if your dummy ST exceeds sim, its useless yet?

[random shadow]

a warrior doing the math yourself?

lies i dont believe!

[willow cradle]

Never said the math was good

[warm crag]

it just means you procced

[random shadow]

hm fair

[lavish sierra]

sims compliment practice and give practice some context is a fair assessment

[rare garnet]

Reject the robit. I turned off details. I deleted the sims. I chargebacked raidbots premium (my bank laughed and said no). I disabled my UI and now press 1-4 based on the feelings I’m getting about what’s available.

[nocturne bluff]

Its consistently higher.. That's why i doubted the fidelity of sims to begin with

[warm crag]

then the apl is shit or your sample size is too low

[willow cradle]

Based Warrior

[nocturne bluff]

CLANKER propagandists everywhere

[warm crag]

probably too low or your test isnt fair

[lavish sierra]

ezkath only listens to machine spirits

[rare garnet]

Comparing a 45s target dummy with 78877788826673 sims minutes

[nocturne bluff]

Spongie, please complete the captcha:

[warm crag]

simc price in the gutter

[willow cradle]

[rare garnet]

Just bought 500000000 stock as soon as it moons I’m buying blizzard and making whirlwind our spender

[warm crag]

unironically fury needs a second spender

make execute a spender and we're good

[nocturne bluff]

can agree on that

[rare garnet]

Can we have a draft and trade arms a generator for a spender

[echo rapids]

That’s how you end up rage starved like arms

Forget that

[nocturne bluff]

the existence of a tradespace doesn't necessarily lead to starvation

[warm crag]

i was so starved in legion

[nocturne bluff]

can always adjust rage gen numbers

[echo rapids]

And yet they might not

[rare garnet]

Historically won’t

[echo rapids]

Fury rotation works, I have no desire to F with the core

[warm crag]

arms was best when rage was a resource to be managed

[maiden ingot]

Tfw you're too afraid of the Designers to hope for a better iteration.

[nocturne bluff]

I wouldn't mind a minor sequence rotating between rampage and X ability, depending on prio. Too many unknowns in this scenario but I wouldn't mind a second spender.

[warm crag]

ever since sod you just press whatever button with no care in the world

[nocturne bluff]

I feel like i'm always enraged with plenty of overlap

[echo rapids]

Arms colossus is literally unplayable without a shaman in the group, why do you want that

[spare steppe]

Dummy health goes below 35% whereas sim dummy doesn’t I believe is the reason

[rare garnet]

What if I like this iteration?

[nocturne bluff]

Raid dummy doesnt

I haven't even tested on execute dummy

[warm crag]

idk not played that cant comment

[echo rapids]

Playing where rage is a real resource that requires good management as the core gameplay loop is fine as a concept

But when blizz whiffs on it, it cripples you

Fury rage management is fine because enrage management is the real gameplay loop

[brittle mauve]

Do you guys sim your st on raid bots using target dummy or patchwork ? And what about for aoe? 5 dummies or something else?

Not home so can't compare the diff of these settings.

[echo rapids]

I simm st for gear comparisons and secondary stats

[brittle mauve]

Ok so it don't matter

[echo rapids]

I think usually it has tracked well enough between ST and aoe to be fine

But I’m just assuming that to be true for midnight in all fairness

[warm crag]

st patchwerk 5 minutes is the standard

[frosty scroll]

whos on warrior token this tier, i forgor

[warm crag]

you're never doing anything of value without buffs

[brittle mauve]

Ok but I don't wanna corroborate that by attacking a dummy for 5 min. I like to verify my play against sims.

[novel gull]

new warrior here, in slayer or thane do you always start with a rend with groups?

[brittle mauve]

So maybe like 1 min

[plush maple]

Real question is do you sim ST with every raid buff + lust or rawdogging

[warm crag]

i mean do that then i just dont think you'll find much value from that

[warm crag]

buffs and lust what are you going to ST without raid buffs

some random open world mob?

[echo rapids]

It’s by armor class so DK and pally

[plush maple]

[frosty scroll]

thunder clap applies rend for ya

[brittle mauve]

Thanks sponge

[warm crag]

you're better off comparing your parses against others when raid(s) release and try to figure stuff out there

[brittle mauve]

True

Like casts and shit

And timeline

[novel gull]

do you still with slayer in the start?

[warm crag]

for example

[quiet breach]

is fury gonna be in RWF?

on any boss

[warm crag]

🔮

[frosty scroll]

u not supposed to play slayer in keys, wouldnt get used to it :p

[quiet breach]

yes im asking for 🔮

[lofty lotus]

??? why not

[echo rapids]

Maximizing uptime and Always Be Casting are the usual advices for improving dps

[warm crag]

the literal tier we just played begs to differ

[frosty scroll]

with the upcoming changes, that is

[lofty lotus]

that true

[quiet breach]

slayer became really strong in keys with the manaforge omega 4 pc

[young swan]

atp im not convinced we're "supposed" to play slayer anywhere

[drifting token]

Why would the past be relevant to the conversation at all

[frosty scroll]

thane > slayer in keys after the patch soon, the past is the past friends

[young swan]

thane > slayer in keys even before that patch

[quiet breach]

is thane still braindead spec

[young swan]

the patch has nothing to do with it really

[blissful hound]

Both are equally braindead

[quiet breach]

slayer was less braindead last tier

buit yeah both were easy

[young swan]

thane is probably one of the only specs that got harder with the new xpac

[warm crag]

insane bait

[drifting token]

You kidding? It was never more braindead in history than last tier

[warm crag]

you could literally prioritize anything you wanted and it did the same damage as the other choice

[quiet breach]

was less braindead than thane i mean

[drifting token]

Very incorrect lol

[novel gull]

hmm so thane is the go to? i only just started warrior for alt because I thought Slayer would still compete

TWW I found it real fun

[warm crag]

i dont think warrior will compete at all if you care about m+

[young swan]

in aoe its a far cry, any cleave is probably maybe close maybe

[warm crag]

for your weekly keys you'll still be fine

[frosty scroll]

Slayer does compete, but i wouldnt take it to keys, if u wanna be proper competitive, i wouldnt recommend fury for pushing

but it plays great, u do as u please ofc mate

[lofty lotus]

class does not matter if you have the skill

[frosty scroll]

but alas, any spec can push to a decent enough level

[lofty lotus]

pushing keys require skill

[young swan]

pushing keys requires time

more than skill

[lofty lotus]

yeah meta classes will have easier time but lack of skill wont clear the key for you

[warm crag]

maybe like insanely high title keys

you can be a proper terrorist skill wise and still time title keys

[lofty lotus]

was talking about +25 keys and so on

[rigid chasm]

some terrorists are quite skilled

ted kaczynski had a lot of very specific knowledge

[modest condor]

there hasnt been a +25 key timed in 2 years

ofcourse at world first level skill matters

[lofty lotus]

yeah i forgot

havent played really since legion 😄

[frosty scroll]

bro forgor 💀

[lofty lotus]

more like bearly knew they changed that

didnt play tww or dragonslop

[undone flower]

Basically they did a -10 on the key lvl

[lofty lotus]

so a +15 was old +25

[undone flower]

Not really, more like the end top key -10

[young swan]

+15 is like the top end of a weekly 10 doer

[undone flower]

Since the -10 implies changing the scaling

[young swan]

i know because im a weekly 10 doer

and i cba pushing past 15/16

[lofty lotus]

will the +10% auro do much?

i feel like it wont really

[young swan]

~10%

read that wrong

my bad

i mean its not very impactful for pure ST

[lofty lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/shame-bell-game-of-thrones-walk-of-atonement-cersei-lannister-gif-16635977892557113898

[young swan]

but there isnt a single pure ST fight next tier

[undone flower]

It is relative to other specs tuning

[young swan]

all of them have some sort of add cleave

[lofty lotus]

does that even exist?

ofc everyone would have cleave nowdays

[young swan]

it has several times in the past couple xpacs, yeah

usually 1 per tier

[lofty lotus]

hmm like?

[young swan]

fractillus

sprocketmonger

[slate light]

sprocketmonger

[young swan]

kyveza

[lofty lotus]

oooh pure fight!

this time i read wrong

i read fighther

[undone flower]

Sikran but 3rd boss

[young swan]

true

[digital steppe]

where would you place fury on a list for M+ and raid, currently or after any incoming buffs

[young swan]

forgot sikran

[lofty lotus]

petko said A+

[young swan]

kinda tbd

[lofty lotus]

tho i think he is...

[young swan]

i would assume low-A - high-B

[modest condor]

anybody that gives you an answer is making things up tbh

[lofty lotus]

idk how much to belive him

[young swan]

yeah its just made up

guesswork

[coarse nest]

Die tier lists die

[digital steppe]

true, im just trying to choose between dk and warrior. leaning more toward warrior but dont want to kick myself for choosing wrong

[modest condor]

it's totally possible we only see prot warrior and no dps warrior in raid

[young swan]

likely even

[coarse nest]

Very likely

[lofty lotus]

ivy veins says A+

[frank dawn]

Warrior single target seems kinda beans

[modest condor]

read my message before my previous one

[young swan]

yeah it sucks

[frank dawn]

But maybe adds will make us relevant

[coarse nest]

Flat profile AND low ST

While pRoT is immortal and cranks

[lofty lotus]

everything is made up

[coarse nest]

Yeah 👍

[undone flower]

But it’s more about tank situation than fury

[smoky basin]

Do adds on any of the fights live for an extended period?

[modest condor]

real

[smoky basin]

Other than the trio

[blissful hound]

flat profile does not equal bad

[young swan]

ive been hearing that a lot of specs have gotten their passive cleave shot in the head so its possible fury is still good

[lofty lotus]

all of this is just predictions from simming

blame the AI

[modest condor]

flat profile was only bad in last raid because several bosses had damage amps including the last 2

it's not universally bad

[blissful hound]

From my first impressions chimaera looks like a really damn good Fury boss

[lofty lotus]

wish fury did a bit better outside CD's

[young swan]

yeah it seems that way

[undone flower]

And even with NK amp, fury was in second top group of specs

[lofty lotus]

atm outside CD's im gonna fall asleep sometimes

[coarse nest]

It’s just undesirable, didn’t say it was bad always

[lofty lotus]

then cd's come back and im pumping hard

[young swan]

but also its a 1 boss raid, the only thing that will matter is performance on midnight falls, beloren, and whatever is at the end of voidspire

[warm crag]

it is universally better to have burst noober

[granite badger]

Don't trust or watch any tier list, it's for pure content and hype, play what U want and enjoy it, and if U wanna push keys or pvp or raid with it just go with it, if U truly like it and become good at it eventually U will be amongst the top or similar.
Ps ofc crucial part is the time of investment and having premades or not.
All in all just play whatever you want and enjoy, anything can work in good hands imo.

[young swan]

W yuki

[lofty lotus]

i wish dps meters would get deleted

ban any dps meters

[smoky basin]

No

[lofty lotus]

bring back fun

[undone flower]

Never left

[young swan]

ff14 does this and they still get used

[coarse nest]

99% of WoW players
Google: wow dps tier list midnight

[young swan]

although blizzard could actually nuke damage meters probably

[drifting token]

People would just circumvent the lack of dps meter by measuring time-to-kill metrics. Human nature has to compete and measure dicks no matter what

[winter shoal]

they type that shit into chatgpt man these mfs can't use google anymore

[coarse nest]

Lmao

[lofty lotus]

99% of players will also never join a discord server

[coarse nest]

Tru

[winter shoal]

old man shakes fist at cloud

[modest condor]

not true

[granite badger]

Damage meter should be used for pure improvement. Period.

[warm crag]

let me think of that one burst fight that misaligns with your cds as the only counterexample to this

[undone flower]

I watched one 10 min ago

[modest condor]

im sure you can figure out what value a flat damage profile brings to a raid, i know you're smart enough for that

[warm crag]

none

[coarse nest]

Don’t even watch the video just look at the caption image see what’s in S and then do the following search
(s tier spec here) wowhead guide

[modest condor]

oh i guess i was wrong, you're not smart enough for that, my bad

[warm crag]

flat has been so important it was the central point to make comps around tbf

[slate light]

imagine all your dmg in a 30 sec window and you get targeted by a mechanic gg

[brittle crow]

i like doing all my damage in a 5 second window like tww s1

[undone flower]

2 gcd*

[brittle crow]

now that's a damage profile

[south kayak]

7 seconds and that's Legion

[rare garnet]

ChatGPT, tell me what the easiest DPS class in midnight is

[south kayak]

It's Arcane Mage

[warm crag]

its all of them

[undone flower]

Devourer is hard

[warm crag]

you're being misled by devourer tc sandbaggers

[rare garnet]

It said 1) BM 2) Dev Evoker 3) Fury

[slate light]

opener -> press consume 32 times

[undone flower]

[rare garnet]

Can’t argue with the robots.

[oak peak]

Does anyone know when the first vault will be? 3/24? 3/31?

[slate light]

one of my guildes was set to reroll from BMto Dev DH. he said its too boring and going back to BM

[undone flower]

24th

[winter shoal]

@coarse nest

@clever belfry another funny matrix has hit skyhol;d

[undone flower]

You might drop sub rogue in the list now

[winter shoal]

sub rogue is nasty work rn

[mortal ivy]

It’s like sub rogue id rather play BM hunter than sub rogue its that brain dead boring

[warm crag]

a table is a matrix

[brittle crow]

light mode user spotted

[winter shoal]

big if true

[warm crag]

a matrix can be a lot of things

scary constructs

[undone flower]

Not a chair

[warm crag]

you can make a chair matrix

[winter shoal]

I never took linear algebra so my understanding of matrices is very elementary

[clever belfry]

DROP TABLE fury;

[winter shoal]

I just know the slop machine is a bunch of matrices behind the scenes innit

[warm crag]

i mean u dont need to take LA to know what a matrix is

[rare garnet]

We need a rotation matrix

[winter shoal]

me when "very elementary" apparently means nothing

noober spongie I know how to do matrix math

[warm crag]

LA just gives you ridiculous statements about specific matrix shapes

and when they're invertible

[clever belfry]

invert deez buddy

[warm crag]

guess my nuts have a det of 0

fuck you

[echo rapids]

Matrices were like an algebra 2/junior in HS level math

[clever belfry]

cant then... wtf...

[undone flower]

My basic knowledge : matrix is the square with numbers in each case

[warm crag]

get countered

[clever belfry]

what does this mean

[warm crag]

is he wrong

[clever belfry]

oh case

as in boxes

[undone flower]

Mb boxes yeah

[clever belfry]

i was like what fucking cases as in, cases of a proof, are we talking about here

[brittle mauve]

Y'all can only impress me with your knowledge of FFTs

[somber elk]

are we crafting a 259 next week with sparks?

[undone flower]

I would say case in French that’s why I said case in English sorry

[clever belfry]

something something gauss had it whipped up

[winter shoal]

is fft the one where you convert to e^i*pi s domain type beat

[trail bane]

Are the liquidarmory sims bugged or is Puzzle Box much worse than the wowhead guide would suggest?

[heady wedge]

guys do we use odyns fury after avatar ? or before

[oak peak]

Yes

[somber elk]

ty

[brittle mauve]

Damn guys I just fft in Matlab idk

[clever belfry]

you use a funny cool algorithm to (approximate) the fourier transform which transforms it into a funny frequency domain
which can be expressed as e^ipi

[winter shoal]

I know what a fourier transform is

I just don't remember the math anymore

[undone flower]

And my basic knowledge is : if I try to remember really hard, I would remember how to inverse a matrix, but that’s it

[winter shoal]

I do computers now

Not math

[clever belfry]

as long as i never have to calculate a discrete fourier transform, by hand, EVER again in my life

i am happy

[brittle mauve]

It's an approximation of a signal using a sum of sines and cosines

And it provides insight into the frequency content or components of said signal

Harmonics, etc

[clever belfry]

im sorry about this

[brittle mauve]

Alright you know what. Go back to your matrices buddy

[warm crag]

top 10 ailments no cures are known for

[winter shoal]

It was really useful for approximately 18 months of my life

[clever belfry]

but yes the fft uses some approximations and uhh symmetry

and then something else i forgot

[brittle mauve]

You can specify bins or something. Fuzzy for me. It's been a while

[undone flower]

beans

Top 10 ailments no cures are known for

[warm crag]

are you american

[undone flower]

Non

[warm crag]

could be

[winter shoal]

America best math education in the world frfr

[modest condor]

2+2=3 quick meth

[maiden ingot]

I respect it, but secretly judge you for it.

[undone flower]

I can be anything you want me to be

[warm crag]

[echo rapids]

Complex math in the fury channel, as I live and breathe

[undone flower]

I always struggled with complex numbers in highschool

[olive wraith]

Anything after 4 is complex

[winter shoal]

Me when I do electrical engineering and there's an imaginary component of the current flow which literally just doesn't make physical sense, but the math checks out

[rare garnet]

That’s why they designed improve whirlwind the way they did

[coarse nest]

😆

Ole ChatGPT strikes again

[warm crag]

i was thinking abt why complex numbers matter in chemistry

[undone flower]

I bet if you ask a raid comp, it will put specs which doesn’t exist in it

[warm crag]

genuinely insane world we live in

[rare garnet]

Claude has a different opinion.

I need Tuesday I’m so bored

[blissful hound]

...they do? lol

[warm crag]

ye theres some laser shit you need complex numbers for

[blissful hound]

Thats wild

At least complex numbers are kinda fun

[warm crag]

complex numbers when R2 enters the room

[blissful hound]

quaternions are the worst shit in maths

[odd crater]

This is a warrior chat, get those big words out of here

[covert blaze]

eepy

[blissful hound]

Thats only basic uni maths 😡

[odd crater]

Big words, us no likey

[clever belfry]

are they really tho

i dont think they are

[blissful hound]

idk I always felt miserable when I had to deal with them

[clever belfry]

theyre funny useful to lerp rotations in 3d space

[blissful hound]

well ye

[covert blaze]

math in fury chat is crazy work

[blissful hound]

But have you ever calculated one yourself, by hand

[clever belfry]

yes

several

in an exam

[blissful hound]

Cant tell me that isnt awful

[clever belfry]

🤷‍♂️

[echo rapids]

It’s the opposite of zug zug

[undone flower]

You missed kronzo physic thesis the other week

[rare garnet]

Man take this shit to the mage discord anyone hit and trees with an axe lately?

[clever belfry]

i stupied physics for a number of semesters

ive seen more shit stuff to calc by hand

[winter shoal]

minor spelling mistake dot gif

[azure wolf]

What are we crafting tomm 😌

[clever belfry]

any basic lagrangian mechanics problem is more ass than quats honestly

[rare garnet]

DN

[winter shoal]

I'm crafting embellished 2h + cloak

[blissful hound]

I only studied game dev so youve seen worse things than me probs

[covert blaze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1294680138042183711/1341410531180806214/pQG30.gif

[clever belfry]

read the fucking guide

[azure wolf]

Vibes

[warm crag]

go find a det of a matric of at least 4x4

[compact knot]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/G_Efyg_W4AAFy9L.gif

[rare garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-run-cat-steal-cat-fish-cat-trex-cat-dinosaur-gif-16808680927725662878

[undone flower]

mathmogging is crazy aura

[clever belfry]

me when i gauss to diagonalize the matrix to then find the inverse

[covert blaze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956065034700726334/1272362174739906672/ezgif-6-9bd2089f65.gif

[compact knot]

🔥

[rare garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/9мая-кот-cat-tank-танк-gif-21490293

[blissful hound]

me when I have to reason in discrete maths why 1 + 1 equals 2

and give proof

[clever belfry]

man just successor function

succ(dn)

[odd crater]

Someone ping me when the math nerds are gone and we can talk about manly stuff again

[winter shoal]

L toxic masculinity

[clever belfry]

MANLY STUFF

[lyric wolf]

bold saying that maths arent manly

[clever belfry]

ZUGZ UG

[winter shoal]

You can be a man and do anything

[blissful hound]

But ngl discrete maths is hella fun

[clever belfry]

i MUST play my MAG HAR ORC

with GARROSH shoULDERS

[lavish sierra]

Axium