same
#fury
sullen dove
and i have both mace types instantly from a vendor lol
big 2hand int mace for like
2 specs in the game
modest condor
and one of them would never use it
misty edge
axe/polearm is probably the most useless of the 4. so going blades into maces is probably optimal
and the casters can just get inscription staff
sullen dove
idk do like druids and monks maybe not use polearms
surv hunter too before daggers existed
tho they arent just daggers now either
median umbra
i think brew uses polearms lol
sullen dove
like 1h swords and axes maybe too
maybe long blade is the most useless imo
aside from warglaive flavor nothing in there cant be fulfilled by something else, any class that uses like an int sword can just use either an axe or mace or dagger/staff or something yea
misty edge
inscription agi/int staff covers the "niche" market that polearm/axe does
sullen dove
but i just feel like 2hand swords is the most restricted that only 1 stat type uses
cant apply to agi or int ever
not sure why 2hand axes are agility tho actually who the fuck uses that
i know surv like... "can" but idk if they ever have in their lives
and didnt get fyralath for them lol
sudden tusk
im still missing 27 raw points from work orders i thought all those were catch up and not weekly oops
didnt doo npc crafts for like a week and a half
sullen dove
ya they are very strongerman
prolly got like 15-20 knowledge from em so far
plus some ez skill if it wants you to make spark gear you know the recipe for
sudden tusk
spent like 30k now i can ez R5 rings with mats
pog
i should do like BS as well but im a cheap ass so giving up double duration flasks is a nogo for me
modest condor
im not doing work orders if they're expensive
i did get this a couple of days ago which was nice
but if they dont come with alloys provided im not crafting them
dire vigil
I’m at the point where I can do any blade at mythic ilvl with no concentration, as long as I craft with all gold rank mats
W.
modest condor
im not there yet, im about halfway
but my bs is only lvl 60
i do have maces fully maxed
dire vigil
Yeah I made sure people in my guild were putting up those 259 orders lol
sudden tusk
one of my crafts from the npc the other day was a 20 gemdust craft
and i just said nah im good
hushed walrus
guys how much you take for crafting r5 with missiv and embellish ? wrist ring or belt weapons ?
sullen dove
idk 5-10k is probably seen as more than generous if you can afford it
sudden tusk
i dont charge anything and people just pay w/e
sullen dove
even 5k is prolly good enough assuming you got the good mats
cuz ppl do want to get skill up too
sudden tusk
i do ring/necks but those dont really get asked for in the first couple weeks
dire vigil
If you ask for 12k for that initial weapon craft, they’ll probably do it
But 5-10 is common
I’ve gotten 15 twice
hushed walrus
cause i take 9 and someone first said no too expensive but a friend of him said take it you're dellu
dire vigil
Those mythic ilvl 2h crafts in 2 resets are gonna be juicy
Recrafts*
sullen dove
there BETTER not be some hard downtime on that week
modest condor
i tell people they dont need to tip, usually they still tip a couple thousand anyway
sullen dove
i will be grinding my myth crests in m+ before raid or else
dire vigil
Yeah that’s my goal too
hushed walrus
all right i'll try 15k xd but i think im going to fk off soon
sullen dove
are you paying someone else? or someone asking you to make something
sweet flower
where can I find the consensus best talent builds for fury? (or is it just go with what wowhead says?)
sullen dove
wowhead pmuch yea
marble swift
man fury dam is so much worse than ret lmao
dire vigil
Wowhead for builds and you can check Wowhead and Revves’s maxroll guides for gear
hushed walrus
people asks crafts and i try to get the max of golds cause i can guarantee r5 with no focus sometimes
but i think people are so fuking poor on my serv
brittle crow
are there any a52 crafters in here..
sullen dove
o lol, yea i mean idk i figure so long as they provide full mats then its not like it costs you anything especially if you have the knowledge/skill to r5 no conc so its effectively "free" from you so figure just best to get whatever money
brittle crow
i need a vet chest/rings
sullen dove
like 10k dont sound bad for that
especially if you might need skill still cuz the +3 from spark gear is epic
hushed walrus
i said 9k for a 246 the guy answered fuk your mum xd
sweet flower
man fury dam is so much worse than ret lmao
you know from playing both or have a good source? Warcraft logs doesn't seem to have any dps data yet
sullen dove
eh happens lol
brittle crow
i said 9k for a 246 the guy answered fuk your mum xd
based
sullen dove
maybe 246 isnt like "as big"
think they dont need as much skill cuz its only blue gear but yea idk dont think its usually been so common to craft non spark gear
undone flower
no fomo from raid being in few hours, ppl can give huge amount raid day
sullen dove
10-15k tip for spark gear makes enough sense since u only make like 2-3 serious pieces a season but filling 2 random embell slots eh
yea that too probably will be a lot of ppl wanting to do it on tuesday
hushed walrus
even with spark i say 9k cause people tend to say no it's like 35% no and 65% yes
sullen dove
once like final tuning actually applies and ppl exactly sim
marble swift
you know from playing both or have a good source? Warcraft logs doesn't seem to...
i play both i dont need a source
sullen dove
yea i mean up to you/them to decide stuff like that
undone flower
i asked how much they paid their first tww crafter to ppl of my guild, some said 50k
sweet flower
gotcha, I'm leveling up my ret now still haven't decided which to main
sullen dove
ik the questions been asked but i havent listened to answers cuz i havent cared until now but is any weapon embell better than double arcano off pieces
cuz ngl reading them they all sound like hot ass
unless like the dmg ones just randomly do many damages
hushed walrus
yeah dragonflight was insane i took 35k was alone and tww was like everybody understood the system it drops to max 15k and now people take 5 9 but no more mean depends on the serv i think
sullen dove
ya server and also think just more people are more used to it since its been around so long
maybe ppl were more "afraid" of doing it earlier so rates could be higher
marble swift
gotcha, I'm leveling up my ret now still haven't decided which to main
fury getting a buff so it might change but its straight ass right now compared to ret
sullen dove
but now its more common and like kinda easy as shit to be able to lvl a prof to max out at least 1-2 different types of items
sweet flower
isn't ret also getting buffed too? seemed like big ST buffs, small AoE nerf?>
charred flume
am i able to macro bloodthirst with odyns or is that stupid ?
dapper goblet
swordish for yellow
undone flower
who
robust basin
Mained fury for years. But Man. Is it just me or does fury feel awful this expansion.
late cargo
it feels like shit
late cargo
10% of shit is still shit
sullen dove
right..
hushed walrus
i hate the fact rb is useless in both spec
charred flume
why is it useless?
rare garnet
RB has a use, as filler
mental nexus
It enables improved whirlwind. Thats pretty much all its good for.
pliant jackal
leveling up a demon hunter lol
my hands can't handle playing two high apm classes with dk and warrior anymore
which i normally play in a xpac
smoky basin
Old trick
real cape
Throwing a r1 one up at the same price as r3 but with an extra 0
(Somebody is eventually going to learn a valuable lesson)
sudden tusk
people just hit list and post button
real cape
Yer
undone flower
are we even looking at the auction house when we hit send on some of these items
It is harder to make rank 1 than 2
You can’t downgrade your craft when you can make rank 2s, at one point there is more rank 2 crafters than rank 1, rank 2 is more common than 1
Scarcity
That’s why in tww rank 3s were cheaper than other 2
smoky basin
People are making them for first crafts at low crafting levels which makes the level 1. They are only listed so high because some people will just look at the price and assume it's the good one.
undone flower
You can’t do that on mats
brittle crow
is a better missive more stats??
undone flower
Bc at one point there is a gazillion of every ranks
smoky basin
The better missive just means less concentration spent
sudden tusk
is a better missive more stats??
no but it makes getting R5 craft easier or guarenteed
brittle crow
are vet rings even ranked
sudden tusk
most pub crafters wont make shit without high rank mats
brittle crow
arent they set ilvl
charred flume
i keep seeing that even enabling improved ww is just useless that true, only good for filler ?
sudden tusk
thats my stats with 70/70 invested in rings
brittle crow
danm
sudden tusk
so R5 mats garentee it
brittle crow
FUCK i didnt put the missive in the crafting order
guess i use crit/vers now
crazy how out of 4 stats it rolled the 2 bad ones
hollow glen
brittle crow
i can use the missive on a chestpiece ig
thin parrot
Guys, in order to determine the best embellish crafts to make do i sim the various possible crafts in top gear manually and then sim for what to upgrade with the 2 crafts equipped?
covert blaze
FUCK i didnt put the missive in the crafting order
L
azure wolf
What’s the plan with the 4 sparks come Tuesday morning ya’ll? Does anyone have any advice on what I should I be doing as a casual player attempting to turn competitive this season?
covert blaze
whats up lil bud
azure wolf
I comb through the guides but sometimes bro there’s so much info that it’s literally discouraging lmao
covert blaze
what guys message
smoky vale
hollow gate
I personally will be waiting for access to the myth crests to 1nd a weapon craft and not waste hero crests
azure wolf
1nd?
covert blaze
idk tbh probably craft spark weapon without crests and upgrade when mythic crests come out
hollow gate
One and done
azure wolf
Ok Zhai thanks bro
wooden lagoon
i feel like a race change what should i go to lol
brittle crow
i feel like a race change what should i go to lol
maghar orc
modest condor
diaper gnome
covert blaze
i feel like a race change what should i go to lol
velf goated
azure wolf
I’m sitting at 244 I pretty much do everything I can every week so far. I just don’t wanna fuck up with using these time gated mats incorrectly
thorny zenith
diaper gnome bis
open mountain
What do u craft 4 embellishment? 2x Spore?
tidal moth
would be better to craft my embelishments in my worst ilvl pieces (Adventurer) or go cloak and bracers?
thin parrot
would be better to craft my embelishments in my worst ilvl pieces (Adventurer) o...
People from rwf guilds have different slots with crafted embellishments, like legs + boots, legs + gloves or legs + chest to give a few examples from liquid, so my best answer would be to sim your character under top gear and manually add the various crafted slots at 246 ilvl + arcanoweave embellishment, and see what result you get
For example simming my char i got chest + shoulders
thin parrot
you can easily check by yourself on raiderio
sudden tusk
I mean they reason they do that is RNG
thin parrot
I was looking at flex and impec mostly
tidal moth
ty
sudden tusk
they have a team taht just maths out the actual statistical damage increase
tidal moth
Yea I was asking if i should go with the RNG too or stick to the usual slots
sudden tusk
and they do that
cant go wrong crafting a weapon first and its 99% gonna be in our BiS setup too
tidal moth
I was planning on crafting the spark one at the start of the weak
and then uppie the offhand free
thin parrot
For now it's better to react to rng, the usual slots will be good long term but worse short term and these crafts are purely short term minded
sudden tusk
yeah one of our embels will be wep and other cloak probably
random shadow
Champ weapon on reset. Myth recraft on m+ week or after works well no?
Feel like this would be the vast majority of players crafting route
tidal moth
alright ty to both of you c:
gonna go with the rng then
i could craft again next week with the 100 more crest available
thin parrot
We were talking about vet embellishments
sudden tusk
Ah
tidal moth
cant go wrong crafting a weapon first and its 99% gonna be in our BiS setup too
answering this :3
sudden tusk
Well its probably bracer craft with embelish at vet
is most likely the play
you can craft other slots if you want to if they lag behind, but those cant be embelished
random shadow
Are yoy gonna replace the bracers and cloak emeblishment with hero and higher and craft weapon with emblishment?
I have 2 vet emblishments currently
tidal moth
you can craft other slots if you want to if they lag behind, but those cant be e...
was going to do chest and legs
sudden tusk
You can always refract and remove the cloak embelish
sudden tusk
Probably not worth the money as both those slots are probablygonna be tier set spots and you cant catalyse them
random shadow
Was thinking of crafting just champ weapon without emblishment then adding one in when I recraft myth and then replace the cloak or something
sudden tusk
but i dont think you can make any bad choices when it comes to any crest thats not raid specific
tidal moth
oh don't worry about the money
sudden tusk
so just do what you want
thin parrot
I dont want to get into an argument but tier slots can very well be the play if your sim says so, these are crafts for short term benefit and will get replaced anyway
sudden tusk
i think my context is just squed
i havent been in a guild that doesnt do splits
for years
so i dont even consider it at this point
random shadow
Im a simple person. I just craft weapon snd some other off piece and call it
thin parrot
You can get a 259 weapon craft without using crests. Imo the play will be to do so and wait for gilded crests to recraft.
tidal moth
You can get a 259 weapon craft without using crests. Imo the play will be to do ...
yes this was my plan
going with the rng since i have chest and legs adventurer
then doing the 259 weapy
stoic loom
is the crucible renown trinket actually good for us? or is it just bugged in the sims
its a dps loss in both ST and Aoe vs random piss trinkets i've got
thin parrot
What im wondering is how good the darkmoon embellishments are compared to arcanoweave
wooden blade
wtf is that spore embelishment, i crafted it and tested it on a dummy like around 5 minutes, and it did 10k damage and 50k healing to the nearest healer training dummy 😄 this is a real "BIS" embelishment or is it some sort of scum? 😄
random shadow
You can get a 259 weapon craft without using crests. Imo the play will be to do ...
That's what I plan to do. The 259 is champ uses sparks but no crests. Then when I get myth crests I'll recraft eith emblishment
random shadow
wtf is that spore embelishment, i crafted it and tested it on a dummy like aroun...
It got changed i believe. Archi was talking about updating wowheads page today not sure if he did
feral ivy
what is the fastest easiest delves to rush to lvl 6
covert blaze
what is the fastest easiest delves to rush to lvl 6
college calamity on the plant version
thin parrot
wtf is that spore embelishment, i crafted it and tested it on a dummy like aroun...
Simming my character, the spore emb sims around 1% more than darkmoon sigil hunt
Not sure whats up there
wooden blade
Simming my character, the spore emb sims around 1% more than darkmoon sigil hunt
im sure that sim doesnt count that there is some any ally around that it can heal
thin parrot
The wowhead guide states the healing effect cant proc for warrior so idk about that
thin parrot
We pump battle shout
heady sphinx
and the dps is dump?
thin parrot
Hey you get to bladestorm, it looks cool
heady sphinx
u cant bladestorm
they wont rework the talents
giving you both avatar and bladestorm impossible
wooden blade
The wowhead guide states the healing effect cant proc for warrior so idk about t...
this is training dummy in silvermoon and there is an allied healing training dummy, its healing is more than damage by a lot
thin parrot
Not sure why you linked the screenshot but yeah i think most of us are aware you cant take both
thin parrot
this is training dummy in silvermoon and there is an allied healing training dum...
Weird then i have no clue :V sorry
thin parrot
Yes cause you play bladestorm on slayer
wooden blade
Weird then i have no clue :V sorry
nothing to sorry about bro 🙂 just sharing thoughts and if some other warriors will see our discussion will not make my mistake to craft that shitty spores 😄
thin parrot
Well simming both the spore and acuity of the ren'dorei they seem to be within 1% of eachother in both st and cleave so if the spore sucks it's no biggie (except for your wasted gold 
)
wooden blade
Well simming both the spore and acuity of the ren'dorei they seem to be within 1...
btw about rendorei, it seems more relevant in my opinion than mastery/haste enchs cause of our apex talent that buffs our main stat in %
but this is just my opinion. nothing to discuss here 😄
high lagoon
yo after the the slayer buff u think slayer will be better than thane in m+
pure rampart
skycoach dps sim list can be trusted?
raw canyon
Whats the main two stats again mastery and crit right
sullen dove
Haste
sullen dove
yo after the the slayer buff u think slayer will be better than thane in m+
Where is slayer getting buffed it’s getting nerfed twice
thane absolutely better
high lagoon
on the 24th
sullen dove
what
sullen dove
yea
all stats good but usually leaning to those two at start of xpac
but also just sim for gear if u want
high lagoon
the bladestorm buff and making ww trigger slayerstrike
its still gonna be nerf u think?
random shadow
the slayer coping already starting 
random shadow
on the 24th
theres no notes for the 24th tho
unless youre thinking of the .5 patch PTR notes
wind sentinel
Wait did they get rid of the text/ability that makes thunderclap work with furies WW talents?
Ah
high lagoon
imrpoved ww affects tc
wind sentinel
wait it was in mountainthane specifically
high lagoon
u dont thhunder clap in slayer
real cape
Wait did they get rid of the text/ability that makes thunderclap work with furie...
Crashing Thunder?
Top left hero talent iirc.
real cape
wait it was in mountainthane specifically
Yes.
wind sentinel
yeah I forgot about that ty, leveling a warrior alt from scratch and couldnt find that anywhere
sullen dove
its still gonna be nerf u think?
Removing reap from sd and bt very bad yess
no longer any st damage ever
high lagoon
right
sullen dove
whether the ww evens out with bt in aoe who knows
high lagoon
Shiii I get thane it is
sullen dove
but even if it does it’s never making up for losing it off sd
high lagoon
right
But raiding week 1 on tuesday u gonna go slayer still
or ?
ive never raided so curious
random shadow
well the ptr notes doesnt affect week 1, and it seems like theres lots of adds/cleave in the raid so probably thane
glossy heart
Thane
high lagoon
ty for confirming fam
glossy heart
Most likely. I could be wrong.
sullen dove
Yea slayer still better st but any bosses with adds might be edged out by thanes way better aoe
like salhadar you might slayer
Not much if any cleave
Vorasius too
first and 4/5th seem thane esque tho probably
dreamrift maybe also thane decent amount of adds
high lagoon
I had a question, I have been simming in 2-3-4-5-6 target quick sim, and in all of those sims thunderclap is sent off cd during avatar regardless of target count
ok nvm
lol
I thought ir ead it wrong
charred flume
does thunder clap or blast proc bloodbourn or bad info ?
high lagoon
only bloodthirst should proc bloodborne
covert blaze
wtf is bloodbourn lol
high lagoon
just put it on ur tracker if u want
yeah I just did
confirmed only bt procs bloodborne
random shadow
pretty sure bloodbath also procs it or whatever since its a bleed
high lagoon
yah bloodbath is bloodthirst lol
charred flume
ah
high lagoon
they proc the same shi
random shadow
i mean kinda yes but it tech isnt
since bloodbaths bleed is different and iddek think BT bleeds default
high lagoon
but doesnnt thunder clap and blast proc deeep wounds
not sure where u found that info
random shadow
but doesnnt thunder clap and blast proc deeep wounds
ok i see what you mean now since im reading the talent, thunderclap/blast procs rend since rend gets applied by TC/TB therefore doesnt proc bloodborne
mental nexus
MOP
high lagoon
No bloodborn is only procc by bloodthirst
random shadow
scrap the proccing
high lagoon
bloodbourn
random shadow
i misworded it
random shadow
Yes that is correct, but im not taking about deep wounds as you already stated that earlier, im talking about the rend that applies from it
and TC/TB doesnt proc it since its only BT procing it
high lagoon
yes correct
random shadow
tbh i never really thought about bloodborne, forgot it even existed
charred flume
tbh i never really thought about bloodborne, forgot it even existed
its a huge damage factor
high lagoon
since we cast bt so much
charred flume
keeping it up ig
random shadow
its a huge damage factor
i mean it happens without thinking it
random shadow
its gonna have high uptime as you click BT very often and youre applying bleeds via rend
charred flume
im talking in opener more like
random shadow
so i dont think theres much worrying about it
charred flume
not rotation
random shadow
opener is different
also in AOE?
honestly as well how much damage is our bleeds even in overal? if you think about it
high lagoon
in ur opener u are using avatar and reckless, your first button pressed next is thunder blast and then bloodbath
its decent
charred flume
yess
high lagoon
then rampage above 100 or bb -> rampage
thunder blast
thats the only 3 u press even on st
random shadow
idk a 5 min 5t sim, rend is 4.2%, gushing wound, deep wounds and such is sub 2% besides gushing wound
high lagoon
u ignore suddent death mostly during burst windows
charred flume
i see i see
random shadow
dont think its too worrisome tracking bloodborne or whatever you plan to do
high lagoon
unless u cant bbor rampage or tb
random shadow
it happens naturally just do rotation and be fine
tropic wasp
anyone knows name of 256 set we are crafting with veteran crest?
thin parrot
in ur opener u are using avatar and reckless, your first button pressed next is ...
You want to odyn's fury as your first button to enrage
high lagoon
yes
st or aoe for thane is almost the same
during windows
But I think raging blow is better than clap in st outside of burst window not sure
thin parrot
Yes it should be, iirc clap is better after like 4 targets or something like that
high lagoon
even on 2 targets
according to my sims
clap > raging blow on 2 target
so the wowhead guide makes sense
its pretty accurate
Clap > raging blow on 2+
and outside burst window only execute gets prio over clap raging still under on2_
2+
so raging blow is p urely used in st
or if tc on cd lol
thin parrot
Yeah well you want to keep up the cleave buff anyway
high lagoon
yes
if thunder clap on cd and bt and execute not avail
and not enough for rampage
then u can send rb
last resort
at first by reading the damage I thought Raging blow would gain value on 2 target cleave but with lightning strike thunderclap is just better
thin parrot
funny how we went from pressing raging blow 24/7 to not pressing it at all
high lagoon
right lol
high lagoon
night
high lagoon
bb over sd
brittle mauve
Ok ty
high lagoon
u send sudden death if no bb, no rampage and no thunderblast proc
high lagoon
check the wowhead rotatioin guide
its pretty good tbh
ive been simming and it alligns with the info i find
brittle mauve
Ya I am reading it repeatedly. It's covering everything ya
random shadow
id hope so considering the guy that writes the guide and works on the API is the same person 💀
brittle mauve
Watching critcakes in keys will help too since he has button presses tracker
high lagoon
oh is it hahah
yes
The only key difference between burst window and outside burst window is execute and bloodthirst gain prio over rampaged under 100 rage
brittle mauve
You were saying to clap in 2t as well eh Freddy?
brittle mauve
Ya sorry meant to say that
high lagoon
yes
brittle mauve
The only key difference between burst window and outside burst window is execute...
Gotcha
high lagoon
in burst window rampage over 100 always top prio
and then bloodbath and thunder blast
I think even one stack thunderblast is prio over under 100 rampage but not 100% sure
honestly if u send before or after not a big deal
brittle mauve
Ya
high lagoon
as long as u not wasting thunderblast procsa
high lagoon
I agree
brittle mauve
Don't waste procs and maintain enrage...and obviously aoe stacks
Kinda how I am trying to manage the buttons
Ya I love sending tb
TB and ramp in aoe CDs is fun
high lagoon
yes and I thin
Think **** if u follow the wowhead rotation prio u will be parsing good
warrior has always been more about high uptime than naything
so as long as u hitting ur parse will be fine
this is gonna be my first season raiding for real lol
brittle mauve
Just re read the prior lists. Yeah rb is hella low prio
This is my first time playing warrior. Will take some time but looks fun af
high lagoon
nice
high lagoon
ya gonna try lol
im still kinda new to wow myself
i play dragonflight season 1 then quit and came back for tww season 1
high lagoon
goodnight
faint verge
Did anyone try and sim fury vs arms ST dmg in the raid to see diff with upcoming changes
tepid lily
facts
random shadow
i need more haste man
pure rampart
for sims what do i use? patchwerk 5min for ST and dungeonslice for m+?
winter shoal
for sims what do i use? patchwerk 5min for ST and dungeonslice for m+?
1t 5m and 5t 5m, then use noggin to compare
faint verge
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GKshVVe_RAXO0I7kFnmg4Nu7kkqbJRV4GItbUHCv...
That’s considering tuesday changes ? And at what ilvl?
winter shoal
Did anyone try and sim fury vs arms ST dmg in the raid to see diff with upcoming...
arms blows, fury blows a lot less
proven stream
That’s considering tuesday changes ? And at what ilvl?
bis gear
faint verge
Got it
winter shoal
That’s considering tuesday changes ? And at what ilvl?
for warrior yes that's updated with the 3/17 changes, and ilvl 289 gear
pure rampart
1t 5m and 5t 5m, then use noggin to compare
whats is noggin?
winter shoal
whats is noggin?
your brain
high lagoon
lol realisticaly id use 90 second 5t
faint verge
I feel fury is way funnier now with the dots
pure rampart
your brain
lmao ok
faint verge
But arms still bis for fun
undone flower
I was hoping for a deez nuts joke
winter shoal
Happy I need the assistance of a non-native english speaker
slim coral
But arms still bis for fun
winter shoal
is "noggin" a universally known term
slim coral
ye
slim coral
pure rampart
never heard of that and im not american lol
high lagoon
LOL at first I was like r u talking about that elixir
undone flower
is "noggin" a universally known term
Not at all, first glance it is a slur tbf
pure rampart
LOL at first I was like r u talking about that elixir
same, i thought it was some tool named after that
winter shoal
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did you ever watch a tv show called peanut butter and jelly that was about some otters and they sang a song about using your noodle
where "noodle" in this case also referred to your brain
slim coral
yeah I've seen the show
sullen dove
slim coral
wind sentinel
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your name made me actually check the pins and got a chuckle out of me
high lagoon
lol
wind sentinel
so uh whats the point of wrecking throw just filler in our single target?
wind sentinel
ahh I didnt see the silence talent nice
brittle crow
also chunks absorb shields
does good damage if u have to chargeweave
its nice to have
wind sentinel
solid yeah
edgy widget
your name made me actually check the pins and got a chuckle out of me
the links actually still work, Discord just does that if the threads haven't had new messages in them in awhile
still updating a lot of that stuff, but the main guides in #dps-faq are good
wind sentinel
Oh i know it was stll just funny to see
edgy widget
yeah it's just an annoying discord issue that I CBA to refresh every 10 days or w/e
static seal
so uh whats the point of wrecking throw just filler in our single target?
iirc it does more base damage than raging blow if you don't need the rage
wind sentinel
Which feels so weird that raging blow has such low priority
static seal
fury in general is just 'weird' right now. Tclap being high priority in 6 targets, hard to talent into defensive, talents like rampaging ruin and kill or be killed. It's not even necessarily bad but it is definitely weird
wind sentinel
that doesnt bother me as much i am 100% Thane enjoyer, its my favorite of the warrior options
brittle mauve
fury in general is just 'weird' right now. Tclap being high priority in 6 target...
Is the 6 targets thing explicitly stated anywhere?
static seal
it's in the wowhead fury multitarget rotation
wind sentinel
oh crap ive been using the icy veins one.. is it too different?
steep bough
What embellishments are we thinking ?
winter shoal
hunt weapon, arcanoweave wrists
modest condor
im non-native
sullen dove
I thought you were NA
yes A no N i believe
echo rapids
Is the thane opener for ST any different then the aoe opener on the wowhead guide?
I assume not since it follows the priority list even for single target
hybrid carbon
Which weapon are we crafting? Sword? Does it matter?
vernal jungle
ABC = ALWAYS BE CLAPPING
smoky vale
Where are you from zhai
he is argentinian
summer quail
messi
echo rapids
Actually should be a bloodbath after that first blast
winter shoal
im non-native
are you familiar with the term "noggin"
orchid bear
What enchants are you running on weapons? wowhead says mastery, method says Str. neither really give an explanation, but the sims are showing the Str ones pulling ~300 higher on my current gearset
smoky vale
im gonna smash my noggin into the wall
winter shoal
What enchants are you running on weapons? wowhead says mastery, method says Str....
Probably go with those ones then
BIS lists and gear/enchants depend a lot on what other gear/enchants you have on
smoky vale
@winter shoal did oyu gear your 2nd character
smoky vale
i thought you geared a dk
winter shoal
No I logged in on dk so it could start getting rested xp and that's it
smoky vale
gg
true sorrel
boys, is our main atribute, mastery or haste?
modest condor
are you familiar with the term "noggin"
if you mean in the context of "use your noggin" to mean "use your brain"
smoky vale
that might be one context
true sorrel
on wowhead it says haste is our main stat but on icyveins says it is mastery, I'm kinda lost... please help!
young swan
sullen dove
welcome to midnight
pliant jackal
how nice of blizzard to make a class for midnight drinkers
mental nexus
on wowhead it says haste is our main stat but on icyveins says it is mastery, I'...
Both. Both is good.
real cape
i remember having more buttons to press
Me logging into basically every alt.
modest condor
warrior is like the one class that didnt lose half its buttons
pliant jackal
are we dota now lol
sullen dove
god im getting annoyed let me get more gear already
been 240 for 87 weeks
kinda annoyin too wont get much more than like 15 ilvl next week probably
modest condor
im like ilvl 225 or something
latent briar
pliant jackal
damn i thought i was behind at 230
modest condor
ive done 1 m0
sullen dove
you both are creatures
hollow leaf
damn i thought i was behind at 230
I mean depends what you mean by behind
but very easy to get 240 rn
if you've just done your m0 sweep
hollow leaf
smh slackers
subtle lagoon
I'm 242, didn't get lucky with ring drops 🙁
brittle crow
i remember having more buttons to press
last time i played DH was bfa and it had 3 buttons
its just how i remember it
sullen dove
hey these embells actually scale with ilvl now though
that means maybe they wont be complete beans later in the xpac
crazy how ascension never went up
smoky vale
sullen dove
gave 1.5k stats in s1 which was insane and still the same 1.5k in s3 which was like a 0.2% upgrade big dogshit
bitter palm
been 240 for 87 weeks
noob ilvl
smoky vale
real
sullen dove
im liek 241.5 relax
smoky vale
(im 240)
sullen dove
1% dps uppy thoughts
bitter palm
slight less noob stats
median marsh
i knew it!
sullen dove
a weapon ill make on tuesday
smoky vale
time to see if i hit 90 with my delve quests!
smoky vale
cluegi
sullen dove
cool
bitter palm
ah
bitter palm
IM NNOT IN WARMODE
axxaxaxa
smoky vale
i lost 15k exp
bitter palm
gio five seven lock in
sullen dove
cuz i could just buy one max rank probably since guaranteed staying on crafted weap the entire patch
the 2nd one prolly wont be sent for a while tho
maybe can just conc make one on lock
bitter palm
at leadt its not 500k like sophic devotion
sullen dove
can you perish
bitter palm
same
sullen dove
kinda annoyed leveling alloys on 2nd bs didnt really feel like it did anything
bitter palm
professions need to be stopped
sullen dove
lost money even with a bunch of multicraft/resourcefulness procs despite being able to make guaranteed max rank alloys
bitter palm
some guy wants 50k for a blue non spark
sullen dove
surely alloys go up huge in 2 days when everyones making shit
yea that guy needs to be shot
bitter palm
i told him that dont worry 👍
sullen dove
goat
bitter palm
i waa thinking about leveling blacksmithing
sullen dove
it is p easy
sullen dove
not like you have to get very far to guarantee max out a spark item
just maybe 20-30k of buying mats to finish it out kinda
sullen dove
- i guess if you buy the blue prof equipment could be up to 50k more but that might not be as necessary
i can make guaranteed r5 spark weapon now with a bit skill over
bitter palm
then setup bots in trade chat and ask for 50k+ tips are welcome
sullen dove
+20 difficulty from myth and another 10-30 more from embell/stats, still missing 16 skill for max bs, maybe possible to make fully embelled myth weap no conc but even if u spend a little conc who cares
damn this recipe kinda cringe
shouldve bought these when they were like 3k a week ago
sullen dove
they prolly will go down nasty v soon tho so idk maybe not worth
when everyone farms purples
would just feel nice and powerful to have it in bags and stop thinkin about it
will def want to get b4 raid tho
so idk do i bite bullet now
eh so long as i do stuff on lock early ill prolly make it back i maxed purple disenchanting
whats another 20k
sullen dove
craft more
sullen dove
yea
bitter palm
big craft
umbral mantle
Yo is acuity simbait? Why icy+wowhead suggesting berserker/arcane when double acuity is an extra 250 dps
sullen dove
idk it might be lower with max ilvl and you have a ton more strength
but i domt caa bout the future i care about the now
bitter palm
icy and wowhead have bis profile so more strength
bleak topaz
Soredish, do you know whether we can upgrade the crafted epic weapon again and again when new crests become available etc ?
sullen dove
yea can always recraft
just costs gold to get more mats
but like your spark and embell and enchant is saved
bitter palm
are there cheap ass r1 enchants this time around
im not dropping 30k for a random weapon i will replace instantly
sullen dove
eh i mean r1 of the same was like 27k to r2's 33k lol
bitter palm
gg
sullen dove
you wont replace it on your crafted weap tho
bitter palm
ye
bitter palm
im just gonna play arms and use crafted weapon
sullen dove
le gigachad
bleak topaz
just costs gold to get more mats
Mats are alright, dont have anything to craft atm anyway so concentration goes into gold quality lol
bitter palm
the last time i didnt craft a weapon i didnt have it in vault until week 8 or something
never making that mistake again
smoky vale
crazy
bitter palm
holy
sullen dove
it is actually kind of insane how for the last 3 xpacs they just design crafted gear preloaded with some of the worst embellishments youve ever seen in your life
they are literally never good
who the fuck is the demographic for this thing man
smoky vale
me
sullen dove
yea you need it
bitter palm
i heard gio five seven takes a lot of avoidable damage
bitter palm
i played tft twice in my life
smoky vale
just hit ambesssa swain lb
bitter palm
once when it came out
bitter palm
and once for some random ass emote
sullen dove
plus need to do 6 preys cuz they are cringe and dont let you get rep this week
poggers
bitter palm
what track does nightmare give
smoky vale
im so back
bitter palm
champ?
sullen dove
champ 246
probably
same as m0
but idk 2 free guaranteed pieces why not
ideally do that before doing m0s but cringe u still gotta get the rep
sullen dove
idk they still felt normal as of doing some today
just like more people are on to em so maybe slightly less common
prolly worse when everyone and their dog doing it on tuesday
but surely you just win
bitter palm
yeah i just win anyway
vernal jungle
has it been comfirmed the spore embel is bad?
sullen dove
think so
you can prolly sim too
consensus seems to be arcanoweave on armor and hunt on weapon as far as i can tell
damn just checked rest of these embells look ass
only arcano and spore and maybe 1 other look like it does anything useful
vernal jungle
well all the guides still say go spore
bitter palm
df bsl was peak
bitter palm
lariat my beloved
sullen dove
still gave more secondaries than either thread embell the entire next xpac
so strange they never went up with ilvl
hardy shuttle
holy
sullen dove
but regardless taking consistent stat over random dmg any day of the week
+applies to aoe
hardy shuttle
better recraft my cloak
static rock
So, do we have a definite embellishment choice? I was under the assumption that spore was big, but people are saying it's ass?
bitter palm
drum of renewed bonds
sullen dove
i have some others but idk apparently not as good
spore previously was slated to be best since for some reason the healing part of it never procced in beta or ptr or something
but ppl crafted it and found out it does kinda proc now
so assume it like takes away from some of the dmg for it to proc healing
so badge
but eh
prolly be more fleshed out guide in a day or 2 in update/announcements
regardless sim should be accurate enough
and when it looks like they're this close it kinda just is a use your thinker angle of stats almost always > damage proc
since they helpful on aoe too
bitter palm
sorry but if robot says a > b i craft a
sullen dove
sullen dove
nah gio be craftin murder row fleet feet on god
bitter palm
cammilax
pallid barn
fuck a 1% dps upgrade gimme that mog
sullen dove
on skibidi
hardy shuttle
nah gio be craftin murder row fleet feet on god
Murder row dagger for bleed fury rp
sullen dove
actually crafting chestplate and shoulders
bitter palm
📅
smoky vale
Murder row dagger for bleed fury rp
wassam beast
sullen dove
Murder row dagger for bleed fury rp
i needed this fuckin recipe for patron order...
done that dungeon like 12-15 times between alts never got it..
bitter palm
2h+shield fury technology
smoky vale
bro
sullen dove
got the feet tho
sullen dove
minus 3 bs skill cuz unlucky
bitter palm
im so back
its so joever
smoky vale
nvm we live
hardy shuttle
i needed this fuckin recipe for patron order...
I did the smart thing and picked the weapon type that needs a raid drop to craft the epic 
hardy shuttle
Yuuup
sullen dove
mace is right next to it and i can make a mace now
but wish i couldve made either mog im sure is way better
but i desire this weapon the instant i step into raid
unreal onyx
I crafted 2 spore pieces
sullen dove
gg end it
bitter palm
gg
unreal onyx
W/o Sparks
bitter palm
go next expansion
sullen dove
1 or 2 of those is fine prolly
hunt on weapon i think is a little better than 2 armor embells
but same shit
sullen dove
aight yknow what not missing out on the axe polearm mog
same shitty models we have 5 reskins of already from world content
sullen dove
honestly mace looks better but just a little small
either way not seeing any of them
smoky vale
ID ONT GET IT
unreal onyx
I havent seen a cool mace since gavel
bitter palm
- scars explosion
sullen dove
kind of strange as a 2hander
bitter palm
- aggro + release
sullen dove
but if this is better than axe and polearm then you know its gg
hardy shuttle
Gavel+resil keys would be an ideal world. Get wrong buff, reset
sullen dove
sword is coolest by far but theres enough of this model too
sullen dove
maceish
sullen dove
sure hope i dont accidentally make an int mace because they're still 2 different items for some unbeknownst god-forsaken reason haha
hardy shuttle
so why dont i craft pole or axe
Need raid drop recipe
sullen dove
cuz they look terrible and the recipes come out of raid for both
bitter palm
sure hope i dont accidentally make an int mace because they're still 2 different...
zerocool lore
sullen dove
and same mats for all of em
sullen dove
zerocool lore
xesevi lore
bitter palm
swordish lore soon
smoky vale
swordish
sullen dove
have 2nd warrior
smoky vale
emow
sullen dove
if need be
sullen dove
punt it
hardy shuttle
Weird looking dog
edgy widget
Wow they really nerfed feral huh
sullen dove
one of the best st in game gg
surely not op though cuz half the fights are spread cleave lole
hardy shuttle
How is its st in a cleave talent setup? I know they do a lot of aoe
smoky vale
i think they lose a lot of st to get aoe
sullen dove
idk thought ppl makin fun of it yea
smoky vale
so auto stinky
hardy shuttle
Im regretting warrior+mirror+ rogue as my 3
bitter palm
warrior will own
hardy shuttle
Ill always try to play warrior. But rogue isnt really a class to ever stack in raid if brown is down
hardy shuttle
Yeah
smoky vale
gg
hardy shuttle
pliant jackal
? warrior is fine
sullen dove
never know if prices gonna go down or up tho by then
pliant jackal
youll get better gear
sullen dove
yea
not on vet gear fo rsure
maaaaybe champ gear if i get those slots
but replaced by hero the week after insta from m+
so eh
tight goblet
Apologies if it's been answered already, and the guide does say 2h earliest craft, but any changes on that or should I just go for wrist/cloak pieces?
sullen dove
probably still weap, but will also likely be fully updated post in a day or two in updates channel going over that
so can wait till tuesday if fine with that
tight goblet
Alrighty, cheers
pliant jackal
don't people wait until week 1
tight goblet
Can't craft it until wed anyway so should be fine
sullen dove
yea i mean the waiting thing depends like how long game you wanna go for and especially how lucky you get
but like you would "wait" to try to rip a myth weapon out of vault first global but we're not getting first myth vault until like the 31st
and ofc if you lose and dont get weapon then gg
silk wharf
Two weapons*
sullen dove
but even if u do myth mainhand upgraded for mostly free + crafted offhand still rly good
pliant jackal
crafting a weapon is never a negative
sullen dove
yea i mean going from hero track to myth offhand while significant i dont think is as like earthshattering as like another armor piece ugprade
but yea
tight goblet
If we get craft mainhand and then a wep drops, does it still let us upgrade it for free?
sullen dove
yes up to mainhands ilvl
sullen dove
so like u make a 285 crafted which is 5/6 myth equivalent, then ur 2nd weapon is free up to then and only costs 20 more myth crests
tight goblet
Oh nice, haven't played fury since start of TWW so needing to pick up as much as possible for mythic raiding
sullen dove
so 288 or something max ilvl myth weapon and 285 crafted offhand ur weapons are set the entire season pretty much
brittle crow
remember when u had to spend 2000 valorstones every new wep
sullen dove
so fire
brittle crow
they should bring that back
pliant jackal
man fuck valorstone
tight goblet
And very little gold too
sullen dove
they should bring that back
brittle crow
the gold cost is so wack
brittle crow
u get enough gold to fully upgrade all ur shit just from doing the delve quests
sullen dove
if it was like 100 thatd be more cringe
casuals gotta farm world quests to be able to upgrade gear man
pliant jackal
just selling herbs and ore on week 1 probably net you like 200k lol
tight goblet
50k to fully upgrade a weapon please
brittle crow
casuals gotta farm world quests to be able to upgrade gear man
even the avg casual has like idk 30k gold
sullen dove
yea but 500 an item
hushed ocean
hello guys, did you see that spore binding actually heal friends? yesterday spore was <1% of overall. Heroic throw was above.
sullen dove
u can upgrade 60 items and gg
yes
arcanoweave probably better
can sim the diff tho
sullen dove
tf u need that shit for
sullen dove
die
pliant jackal
week 1 is coming
smoky vale
say gz
bitter palm
gz
sullen dove
prolly
unreal onyx
Good movie
kind crystal
quick question, in m+ we don't take enraged génération ever ?
earnest canyon
https://tenor.com/bLOF8.gif
That car wheel fall off then reattaches, it seems not a realistic car movie at all. 0/10 rating.
pliant jackal
quick question, in m+ we don't take enraged génération ever ?
well its down to if you want to take warpaint or enraged regeneration
its all situational
teal granite
Are you guys crafting vet gear on Wednesday with veteran crests? We can craft ones with embellishments right?
tough oriole
Is there a key level that we would likely look to swap in enraged regen so we have access to some form of defensive or is defensive stance likely enough for most keys?
radiant plank
Are you guys crafting vet gear on Wednesday with veteran crests? We can craft on...
u should craft i u cant play the m0's before raid
or if u are missing some epics
tiny seal
Are you guys crafting vet gear on Wednesday with veteran crests? We can craft on...
spark craft weapon with spark at 259 and upgrade it to mythic the next week
but yeah can craft a vet weapon too if youre missing it
for the raids
raw canyon
So i have one last 217 chest everything else is upgraded should i craft embelish the chest piece but guide says do LFR and get 4 set so it will be replace almost instantly tomorrow hopefully
pliant jackal
Is there a key level that we would likely look to swap in enraged regen so we ha...
Warpaint with D-stance, Spell reflect, and rallying cry is enough for most keys
raw canyon
should i do a heroic get a adventure and just craft a ring>
pliant jackal
we also have self healing on top of that
tough oriole
fair enough. Thank you!
stoic echo
hola, just a quick question towards how the sim works, because my target dummy DPS and sim DPS on 5 dummies for 5 minutes is almost exactly the same (city a bit laggy) BUT the difference in ability DPS contribution seems to differ quite heavily. I follow the rotation guide but it looks like the sim prefers T-Clap way over BT?
Is it just the sim itself or did I miss something?
For reference:
low folio
could just be proc differences or gameplay variation
stoic echo
from 15% to 9% seems like a hefty difference tho
low folio
and target dummies can go and stay below 35% health
stoic echo
fair but even then I'd be missing a ton of T-clap damage
BT doesnt get more uses if a target is low HP, only more DPS
radiant plank
Dont compare dps meter
log the dummy fight and compare log vs sim
the blizz dps meter is very useless
pearl fiber
just to confirm, i can safely take off rend and still do good damage?
empty cairn
just to confirm, i can safely take off rend and still do good damage?
not in AoE
there its quite significant. As Thane though this isnt an issue since its auto applied but you know
pearl fiber
i see!
i just smacked a training dummy for a bit and i dont hate it as much as i thought, it kind of lines itself up i notice
like as soon as rend is about to drop its one of the only buttons i have left to press
empty cairn
since Thane is better in m+ where we mostly deal with consistent AoE its kind of an afterhought for slayer
will see in Raid if there are any relevant adds that live long enough to be considererd rendable I guess
bleak topaz
like as soon as rend is about to drop its one of the only buttons i have left to...
U dont have to press rend its on TC if talented
pearl fiber
stoked to hear! always loved thane, im actually a prot main in m+ i was just brushing up on fury for raid week & was trying slayer out
supple ocean
do we have any info on the embellishments for armors? arcanoweave seems like its the best however there are a lot of people running with the primal spore binding
they sim pretty much the same for me in both m+ and raid so i cannot be sure
hollow gate
Is wowhead up to date for embell? is planning to put spore on my 2h non crest infused craft a terrible idea ha
tiny seal
Is wowhead up to date for embell? is planning to put spore on my 2h non crest in...
according to discussions from yesterday its outdated sims say that hunt is the best for weapons for example instead of spores
hollow gate
Interesting! Good to know
supple ocean
@tiny seal any info on armor embellishment?
tiny seal
If it sims the same as you said it doesnt matter i think
supple ocean
thanks
analog matrix
The Green line say that slayer now can Apply rend via Whirlwind, am I Right?
tiny seal
The Green line say that slayer now can Apply rend via Whirlwind, am I Right?
those are 12.0.5 changes so in a couple of weeks
analog matrix
Okay thanks 👍
granite crown
those are 12.0.5 changes so in a couple of weeks
Likely a couple months
gaunt vale
probably like end of april
ebon anvil
how is fury in aoe/cleave dps ranked for myth+?