#fury

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inland flame
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So question: are the new engi boots and bracers actually normal embellishable gear, and its just that you get 1 stat at a time? If so, are they preferred or close to BS ones?

rare garnet
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of course not, thats why we sim, and log, and then compare, and go, wait, fuck this thing

inland flame
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Trying to figure out how to spend my KP

bitter palm
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ye its mega simming for me too but i havent tried it yet

rare garnet
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single stat great for stacking or filling out a stat you've gotten unlucky on for other pieces, if you havent gotten any haste gear to drop for some reason, having a juiced haste piece can be helpful

bitter palm
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its pure st iirc

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dmg is split in aoe

rare garnet
bitter palm
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axaxa so its just ass

inland flame
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Fair. Hmm, I wonder if its something people are going to want a lot. Engi has been really disappointing since the DF rework.

rare garnet
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but its the same stat budget and you can generally fill more holes with double stats

inland flame
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Only 65 KP to learn everything. Hmm.

rare garnet
inland flame
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Guess the other question is will anything else in engi be any use this time

rare garnet
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pumper

rare garnet
buoyant elm
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haven't played warr in a while, do you just prio bloodthirst over rampage and raging blow doesn't buff rampage anymore so you only cast it when bloodthirst/rampage on cd now?

rare garnet
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wowhead has a pretty good rotation breakdown

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thats easy to follow

inland flame
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Simple version is Ramp to avoid rage cap or keep up enrage > BT > Ramp with a couple of extra things thrown in depending on spec and situation

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For the moment

hard cradle
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The WoWHEAD rotation guide for Slayer Fury Warriors makes it look like Raging Blow (RB) isn't used. Is that correct? When I test it on a training dummy, using RB while having the Whirlwind buff deals more damage than using Whirlwind itself.

small tinsel
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Ohh ffs lol i wasnt digging the guy at all lol im using his video to help get better.

I was questioning the fact that other guy mentioned hes peaking 135k yet the video is showing peaking at like 100 and therefore questioning if im missing something

inland flame
bleak topaz
hard cradle
brittle summit
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Hi, are we playing thane in m0's? and what talent are we running?

bleak topaz
# bleak topaz

Thats what you guys also get on training dummies, right?

bleak topaz
inland flame
warped bone
inland flame
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Comp gatekeeping M0s is ragebait, don't take it.

honest trail
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What build would you play for Thane ST? Do you still keep Meat Cleaver or move it elsewhere?

warped bone
hard cradle
rare garnet
pearl sequoia
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fury ST so good

dense elbow
# warped bone <:gladge:963970137701109820>

If you want to have easy m0, here is the trick:
Make your own group:

  • Set title: m0: <DungeonName>
  • Set type: Relaxed
  • Invite the first ppl that sign, the lower the ilvl the better

Good job, you now got a run that will complete your m0 with basically 0 effort.

warped bone
dense elbow
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gladge 0 effort is best effort

digital tundra
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how much better is thane over slayer in m+?

earnest canyon
inland flame
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I make my own groups and invite four Monks so I can get that sweet 20% extra phys damage. Altho sometimes I'll do two Shaman for 6% mastery double hits on windfury and double Lust.

icy whale
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how do i get own/target hp bar like this? (and for boss hp bars on the side)

dense elbow
rare forum
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So on reset we are crafting spark 2H with Hunt or Spore Binding?

undone flower
earnest canyon
dense elbow
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You said right now

icy whale
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ty

undone flower
echo rapids
echo rapids
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I’d probably get 2 fairly tanky easy to play ranged dps like BM Hunter and frost mage

rare garnet
valid pulsar
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When i did a sim for one weapon hunt was on top

oak peak
rare garnet
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early season gear stacks bis, 10s not gonna be hard

random shadow
earnest canyon
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thats logical though, i was wondering what you reckoned the meta would be

random shadow
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Since champ doesnt use crests anymore

oak peak
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Eh i suppose, still seems like a waste

earnest canyon
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mage, guardian, fury, resto, and idk?

sullen tendon
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are there any addons that let you select an ability to glow on your bars or is that still impossible

turbid spruce
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Its relevant to craft the two veteran pieces before raid?

next gulch
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Am I still talenting for bloodthirst with the reap the storm nerf

turbid spruce
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Or we can just skip

wicked eagle
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So we are crafting 2h this week coming?

rare garnet
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i only care about the meters need to flex some screen shots

manic kite
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What gonna be new flavour of the month class now?

chrome relic
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us

chrome relic
manic kite
chrome relic
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believe it and you shall achieve it

rare garnet
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of course fury is meta, every fucking key i go into seems to have one

manic kite
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Surprised that devourer dh is only getting 4% nerf

next gulch
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How does rampaging ruin actually work, it's not in addition to the whirlwind effect right

chrome relic
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it makes it so when you have improved ww up your rampage changes into a different thing

earnest canyon
rare garnet
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dont care, i just want my own damage to go up

chrome relic
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take hunter out and bring a dh then

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% magic for thunder blast

rare garnet
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im a slayer simp but that works too

sullen dove
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yea idk wtf we're pretending a hunter buff is gonna do in m+

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"keep reapplying it to every single target one at a time yep"

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unless its not a debuff anymore idk

rare garnet
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i mean its between hunter buff for boss and PI

sullen dove
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or just a normal dps

rare garnet
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i guess aug could work for meter screenshots

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brew, rsham, feral, fury, aug, works for me

valid pulsar
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mm slaps

echo rapids
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Although both feral and Aug do huge aoe

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So pad will be less

rare garnet
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true, but gotta be synergetic

echo rapids
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But yeah 8% strength plus the crit buff from Aug will be huge

rare garnet
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brew slaps too

still remnant
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Hey, dumb question- I am checking the m plus builds on wowhead, and they dont run Enraged generation. I do not think I have seen any other dps not running a DR- what am I missing?

valid pulsar
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you can not take enrage regeneration without dropping a dps talent. Though i think as thane you can drop massacre for enrage regen if you really need it for a key

still remnant
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that seems.... odd.

valid pulsar
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yeah i do not like it either but it is what it is

smoky vale
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you dont need enraged regen

sullen dove
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me when i make things up

smoky vale
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yeah man i totally need it when i have dstance reflect iv

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and a healer

sullen dove
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iv is piss baby heal

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"healer"

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cluegi

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they gonna be doin dmg

smoky vale
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preemptive iv is broken!

storm junco
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kill it before it kills you is the strategy since classic

sullen dove
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that is a talent u can pick now

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enjoy warrior cheat death

digital ore
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It's shit tho.

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It's worse cheat death in every aspect.

proper veldt
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I rly hope we are playing slayer in the raid

digital ore
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Do we know if we want to craft x2 weak slots for raid week or weapon?

digital ore
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That's not what I asked.

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Since we don't use sparks on veteran items and we do crafts in week before hc launches.

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Do we craft x2 weak slots for embellishments or use veteran crests on weapon instead?

sudden tusk
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Most likely it's a weapon first

valid pulsar
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crafted weapon is 259 without any crests

proven stream
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Fury Warriors will probably want to craft a weapon first (now requiring four sparks, so it should be available on the first week of Season 1) to discount their off-hand upgrades.

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this isnt the answer to what u asked?

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lol

nocturne plaza
digital ore
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'Now requiring 4 sparks'

proven stream
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ahuh

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so

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hold onto your shit

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until 4 sparks?

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🤯

digital ore
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You're still not reading what I asked.

digital ore
wind galleon
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ST opener with M+ build, is it the same as the Multitarget opener as Thane?

valid pulsar
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this guy 😄

wind galleon
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Feels like the ST opener showing in wowhead is missing some spells..?

sullen dove
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prolly bit different

valid pulsar
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you get 1 spark every week now isntead of 2 weeks so it plays out the same way as in previous seasons

sullen dove
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not prioing spamming tc on cooldown in single target

wind galleon
sullen dove
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idk it should just be on wowhead something like dont overcap rage > dont overcap tb charges > hit bb if previous two conditions are met

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only like 3-4 buttons max maybe you would hit on st anyway in cds

wind galleon
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Yea the rotation/priority list is on wowhead

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but the opener seems to be missing spells for the ST opener sequence

proven stream
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what spells do you mean

sullen dove
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uh i mean if youre just looking at the same page i am it seems like this opener assumes slayer

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does yours have a bladestorm on it

proven stream
wind galleon
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Avatar, thunderblast

proven stream
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u dont have avatar if u have bladestorm

smoky vale
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you have thane thing clicked?

proven stream
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this is slayer

wind galleon
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Rend if we use that instead of thunderblast to get rend on the target?

sullen dove
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never hit rend as thane

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tc/blast does all of that

proven stream
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rend isnt a priority

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its not like a caster dot u must maintain 100%

wind galleon
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I cant change opener from slayer or thane

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when Im going in opener tab

smoky vale
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no hes right

sullen dove
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yea i mean this opener button specifically seems to just be for slayer

smoky vale
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there is no thane st opener

proven stream
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ST opener is slayer only on wowhead

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i think

smoky vale
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i think its just

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and then bloodbath

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and ignore the extra tc

sullen dove
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regardless a little lower down u can try to follow the first few buttons of the "in cooldowns priority"

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but pretty much its similar to multi target except you would bb a lot more often than spamming tc

proven stream
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yea p much looks right

sullen dove
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like the second tb would be a bb for sure

wind galleon
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Aight, so second TC replace with bloodbath?

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Great, ty! I was thinking it looked wierd 😄

sullen dove
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you just dont want to overcap rage, so hit rampage if youre about to be full, and u dont want to sit on 2 charges of thunder blast, so hit it if you see you have 2 charges of it

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otherwise can smack bb

wind galleon
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Yea the priority I got from the list below, just how the opener should be, so I dont get in muscle memory the wrong opener

sullen dove
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yuh

wind galleon
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Btw, we actually dont have a defensive cd with M+ build?

smoky vale
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yes we do

wind galleon
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I see we dont pick ER

sullen dove
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defensive stance and reflect p much

smoky vale
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dstance reflect

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iv

modest wave
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Can just sim yourself and look at the opener that’s used

wind galleon
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Feels kinda meh to not have a real DR spell

bitter palm
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i just drop massacre as thane

proven stream
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reflect is op

bitter palm
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warrior defensvies are op

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especially fury and especially thane

lilac kettle
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are dungeons that harmless atm?

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Even stance mastery is not recommended when not going for ER

compact knot
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even in raid

wind galleon
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Thats great

blissful hound
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And warrior has enough base tankiness anyway

wind galleon
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Actually hope fury becomes solid for M+

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Extremly fun to play

blissful hound
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It will be

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Phys comps might look for a prot war tho

bitter palm
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no way no brm

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its so broken

wind galleon
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Yea thats the thing Im worried about

blissful hound
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Exchangeable imo

bitter palm
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if brm gets shot sure

dire cosmos
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Thane or slayer for the raid?

blissful hound
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Either BRM Fury or Pwar MW

bitter palm
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pwar gonna be insane with the random ahh aura buff

wind galleon
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BRM?

blissful hound
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Brewmaster

brittle mauve
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brm/fury/mm/rogue/rdruid?

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thoughts on that one

wind galleon
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ah, yea my mate is a hardcore brew player

blissful hound
wind galleon
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if its solid, he will play it no matter what

dire cosmos
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ty

bitter palm
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well it will get shot at some point thats for sure

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the question is will they nerf it to the ground and remove it from the game

brittle mauve
blissful hound
blissful hound
brittle mauve
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kk

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im raiding casually but m+ is serious

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so I rather just vibe on thane

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ty

lilac kettle
bitter palm
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rb is legit useless now

tulip widget
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Complete idiot question: Playing retail for the first time since original MoP, and the profession/crafting system is totally foreign to me. I'm planning to craft a 2H sword on Tuesday, but it seems there are a lot of factors involved in making sure the craft is as high-quality as possible. Is there a basic guide anywhere that would help me avoid screwing it up?

wind galleon
real cape
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Highest quality mats then find somebody who specced into making that type of weapon.

sullen dove
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im sure could search profession guide on wowhead but it boils down to
getting a bunch of skill from normal BS level, same as before,
putting "knowledge points" towards the weapon type you want to make like swords/axes/maces etc, to craft them with more skill
getting profession equipment that gives you even more base skill, up to like an extra 40 points
and higher quality mats are like the final main thing

harsh linden
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Do not have a SIMC for fury?

sullen dove
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if you wanna try to do it yourself its not "that" hard but a bit of a learning curve just to catch up but yea the alternative is just like asking in trade chat "can someone craft x item" and usually they are real humans that can do it

tulip widget
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thank you both!

sullen dove
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but like for example you'll need like say 500 skill to craft a weapon at max value, so like 100 of it can come from base skill, 40 from prof equipment, like 1-200 from knowledge in the spec tree, and maybe another 100 or so from higher quality mats idk the actual breakdown

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but the goal is once you have all of that you can pretty much just make a max weapon, though you may have to use some like concentration which is a timegated-ish resource to "boost/guarantee" a rank 5 once you are past the skill needed for a rank 4 which is fine to use in a one off like tha

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and i mean its pretty easy to get do a decently high level in profession if your sole goal is just to like max out one branch of a tree you can probably do it in like 2 hours of figuring stuff out

tulip widget
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Got it. Yeah, that's the piece I was missing--wasn't sure how skill worked in the formula. I was planning to craft it myself, but my skill is way too low at this point to get the highest quality craft.

sullen dove
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side bonus to doing it yourself tho is u can then fulfill other people's requests in tradechat when they want weapons throughout the whole expansion and it might be a decent way to make passive gold, assuming they like supply their own mats and tip decent enough which i would think most people do by now

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yea bs is one of the hardest to actually hit 100 skill on i think

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i have like 85 or so myself

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but getting as close as possible should be good enough

grand osprey
sullen dove
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but yea this my basic window ive maxed polearms and i have 280 skill, to make r5 every time with no additional cost is 440 which im not sure is actually fully obtainable but getting rank 2 mats instead of the rank 1's i have will boost the skill by a lot more, and once/if i pass the 352 threshhold it says i need to guarantee rank 4 then i can use the concentration to guarantee boost it to rank 5 and it'll consume like 4-500 out of 1000 banked concentration that regens slowly every day

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so pmuch your goal is just make it past guaranteeing rank 4

sullen dove
grand osprey
supple glen
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is it over for fury?

smoky vale
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yep

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extremely

nimble mortar
sullen dove
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fury goes like here

supple glen
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hell yeah

wraith wharf
supple glen
sullen dove
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yep

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still worse than every other class but not by as much

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we take those

misty edge
sullen dove
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kitty rises

blissful hound
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Two more tunings to come

sullen dove
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truegi

supple glen
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who even makes these lists

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i only see the screenshots

blissful hound
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Theres also a chance the encounters are better for us than for other specs

sullen dove
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idk they're all in varying versions

nimble mortar
blissful hound
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Its behind a patreon paywall

supple glen
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cheers. and i have only seen that excerpt not the whole thing @fortress

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the overall balancing seems way better already at least

still remnant
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been a few xpacs since I played, do we have any root breaks? Or just SR anticipate

last fern
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Given that two handers drop later into the raid not on early bosses is it ok to craft weapon first week even tho best would be the primal spore thing ?

blissful hound
surreal token
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avatar right?

blissful hound
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Oh, BS also

sudden tusk
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No

blissful hound
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Avatar doesnt remove anything anymore

sudden tusk
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Removed from Avatar

surreal token
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wtfffff

sudden tusk
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Lmao

surreal token
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when

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Warrior is just basically Detroit

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once a great powerhouse of the American Nation - a classic

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bustling with steel

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now it's full of abandoned houses (warrior chars) and continually on the decline

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make a game about our struggle called Detroit Become Human

late cargo
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Detroit become warrior

lavish sierra
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Rather a warrior than a dorky paladin

surreal token
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pally kinda owns tho

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the animations are sweet

surreal token
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Not next week, on the 24th I mean

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when you have the myth crests

last fern
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Ye but next week you can do spark craft then upgrade with crests

supple glen
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since you get oh "for free" after thats prob the play

solid oracle
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are there any new sims regarding fury after 10% or?

sullen dove
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floating around

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102-103kish maybe

surreal token
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unless I'm wrong

last fern
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Only with spark

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Not crests

surreal token
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oh, what ilvl does it go to

last fern
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For embelish week 1 dps go bonk

last fern
lilac dove
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Everyone goin panda on this season?

last fern
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Not home atm cant check

last fern
lilac dove
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leezgo

surreal token
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i'm going to the bench personally

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idk about yall

lilac dove
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wel im goin fury so no

cedar shuttle
spare steppe
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The food

crimson light
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where can i see that board ?

flat river
sudden tusk
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Feral druid is it time @misty edge

misty edge
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I wish. no fun allowed

coarse nest
sudden tusk
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Well how is ferals aoe

blissful hound
sudden tusk
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Because yeah fury is middle of the pack but it also just always does good aoe on top of ST

coarse nest
icy whale
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is thane troll for raids? or can i play it in all content?

coarse nest
undone flower
sudden tusk
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The only fight that is arms viable is the council boss p sure

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And you would need a new gearset to actually play it

winter shoal
pulsar quest
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Feels like a couple of these fights will be thane fights

sudden tusk
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Which probably won't happen

winter shoal
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I'm p sure almost every fight will be thane

undone flower
pulsar quest
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Yeah

icy whale
pulsar quest
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Tbh I think this tier will suck ass for fury again like last tier, it's a bunch of fights with adds to burst that will end up dying too fast for us to do any real damage

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After like week 1/2

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Just vibes so far may end up wrong

winter shoal
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did last tier suck ass for fury?

pulsar quest
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Manaforge was fun at first when we had time to actually damage the adds

winter shoal
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I mean for rwf sure

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I feel like fury was pretty decent tho and good boss dam

undone flower
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Yeah wtf, last tier was golded for me keks

pulsar quest
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Nah it was mid as hell

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Adds got burst so quick you became just a decent melee damage to boss

icy whale
pulsar quest
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But we didn't do enough burst for the actual damage amps

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So we weren't reslly that good

spare steppe
digital tundra
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do i use thunderclap on cd for M+

sudden tusk
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The only thing holding fury back was lack of burst and the privilege of damage anps

icy whale
sudden tusk
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But even then fury was fine just not optimal

pulsar quest
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Yeah which our profile was just so flat last season

winter shoal
pulsar quest
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And it just didn't feel fun all the adds dying before you could do anything most of the season

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Felt bland

compact knot
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its flat every season but wasnt great profile wise last season

opaque arrow
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How big of a difference is slayer vs thane in ST? im looking at boss guides and some bosses have 1 or 2 adds but i dont feel like its enough to go full thane

compact knot
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too many damage amps

winter shoal
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@spare steppe I also thought that LoU would be an RA tier though because of fight timings so my opinion can safely be ignored

compact knot
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esp on the last 2 fights ofthe raid

winter shoal
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khazix are you brown man this tier or

compact knot
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yes

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i think im playing

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will see

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if prot stays good idk

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its almost good enough to justify bringing a dps war > tank war

smoky vale
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does vodka have a meow

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or

compact knot
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2 people play it i believe

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atleast 2

spare steppe
undone flower
compact knot
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bear got like a 25% nerf but its still good tank damage

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sims arent out yet but

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idk though

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it would be 2-3 druids

undone flower
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okok, bc i see a world where it is prot second tank

compact knot
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i do too

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its good

undone flower
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with rdruid/boomie/feral(never)

compact knot
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rdruid for sure

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could be bear or feral

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boomie good too cause a lot of spread cleave

pulsar quest
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Feel like boom will be good just die to fight design too

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Due

haughty quest
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Next week we can craft a 2h and then recraft right?

winter shoal
proven stream
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i dont think there's any reason to run dps war if prot is in

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at top guild levels

compact knot
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minus tanks and healers

blissful hound
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How many splits do you do?

knotty scaffold
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Hmm guys is macros still a thing? For rotatios and stuff?

drifting token
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If you want them to be

radiant plank
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macro ava + reck

knotty scaffold
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Cause looking for a list of more available macros cant seem to find

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Saw a few shared in the macro posting

compact knot
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3-4

remote bobcat
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What are the veteran crafts for embellishments that people tend to go for? is it just replacing bad pieces? im so fuckin out of date on that regard

compact knot
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is the one on weapons

remote bobcat
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but also which slot

compact knot
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armor pieces is the spore one

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weapon is the hunt sigil

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afaik

radiant plank
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weapon is hunt, rings was the element thingy and arcanoweave for armor ones

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spore one is bad

compact knot
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oo

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spore is outdated

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ok

remote bobcat
radiant plank
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like u craft veteran gear depending what slots you need

compact knot
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diff slots have diff embellishments

remote bobcat
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i was told that i should craft with veteran crests for embellishment

radiant plank
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I needed weapon + ring so I crafted hunt + elemental lens thingy

remote bobcat
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thats where im at rn

radiant plank
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yeah but craft for ilvl first

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unless u have all at 240

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then 1 armor piece + weapon

undone flower
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I will prob do wep + boots

remote bobcat
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so here in my case i craft weapon with 4 sparks on wednesday and I craft e.g. whatever 237 is left by raid day?

undone flower
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My boots are 237

remote bobcat
random shadow
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I have 2 vet emblishments on cloak and bracers. Ima craft a champ weapon on reset then recraft it with a mythic emblishment. Hope to replace the emblishment before tho

radiant plank
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spark weapon is very safe for fury

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nd the veteran craft is 246ilvl

compact knot
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lets you upgrade offhand as fury

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very very good

remote bobcat
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im also curious if its worth upgrading trinket to 250 with veteran crests

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🤔

compact knot
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no

undone flower
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Yeah that’s the thing I’m hesitating, craft spark wep the 17th

compact knot
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would hold

radiant plank
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u shouldnt use veteran crests for ups

compact knot
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^

floral belfry
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what are we saving it for

undone flower
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To recraft embellishs each time you drop something ?

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Idk

random shadow
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Base

radiant plank
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to save crests on champ upgrades

remote bobcat
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of upgrading trinket to 250

#

i guess it would be better if i had 2nd champ track trinket huh

#

holding for that is better yea

spare steppe
undone flower
#

For 259 no

spare steppe
#

Cool wasn’t sure if it required champ crests

bitter palm
undone flower
#

Each tracks cross the next with 1 lvl

bitter palm
#

246->250 champ 1/6 -> champ 2/6 is 20 champ

radiant plank
bitter palm
#

ye gng i aint doing all that

undone flower
#

You upgrade your vet thing free to 5/6 vet (1/6champ) and then 20 for 6/6, your champ is free to 2/6

digital tundra
#

How much worse is Slayer for M+ than thane?

bitter palm
#

🔮

#

m+ is on the 24th and there will be one more tuning pass

undone flower
bitter palm
#

ye i lowk dont care about optimizing for 25 dps

#

if i did i wouldnt play warrior

grim lake
bitter palm
#

yeah when packs die during the first 3 seconds

bitter palm
#

thane isnt gonna do good

random shadow
#

for current m0s probably since things die quickly, but overall once you go higher slayers gonna drop off

grim lake
#

yeah i mean everything is subject to change but right now im enjoying slayer more than thane

#

maybe cuz im so used to it from last season but i have a better time with slayer

fair vortex
grim lake
#

@fair vortex

fair vortex
#

thanks

#

ur the goat

remote bobcat
true locust
#

Hi i think have a bug for this talent

radiant plank
#

Explain

true locust
#

In the game, no countdown timer appears, and I haven't seen any difference in damage with or without execution.

#

I have a tracker for spell ID and even my addon doesn't give me a count.

#

after éxécute

fringe arch
#

So for the leveling guides I found, I tried them but I feel squishy and die during leveling real easily. Is Thane just the main one to use for leveling?

radiant plank
#

its not tracked in cooldown manager

#

look at your buffs on the top right

true locust
#

Yes

#

0 buff

fleet garden
#

squishiness is just a gear thing most of the time, content scales so fast you don't notice how undergeared you are lol

compact knot
#

^

#

idk if i went below like 30% hp while lvling my warrior

#

pulling like 10 mobs at a time

#

purely cause im full bis

modest condor
#

yeah i can pull 10 mobs and come out with full hp

fringe arch
#

Yea might be because I have 0 gear cause I stopped playing in dragonflight

compact knot
#

buy a couple cheap lvl 81 boes on the AH

#

did it on my alts and it helps a ton

fringe arch
#

I looked for some. But theyre all like 5k each

fleet garden
#

impending victory is a huge talent, use it after every kill and you can do multipulls

true locust
undone flower
#

Frappe mortelle

sudden tusk
#

Id go nuts with that as my action bars that's too much info in one place

fleet garden
lapis rose
#

guys can i ask, after dungeon my dps ladder should looking like this ?

lapis rose
remote bobcat
#

🥀

undone flower
#

I think he is reacting to the hieroglyphs

lapis rose
#

and how we should sim correctly?

undone flower
#

You can’t properly sim dungeons

remote bobcat
#

i dislike french, but i like russian

#

hope that helps

shut pivot
#

I mean you can 5target cleave for 3min

lapis rose
shut pivot
#

Thats how i sim for m+

remote bobcat
#

im even learning russian on duolingo right now

#

🙂‍↕️

undone flower
#

I used to

lapis rose
remote bobcat
#

no its really easy

#

so far

#

200 days in

shut pivot
#

Until m+ is out theres no point

lapis rose
undone flower
#

The big barrier is the Cyrillic obviously, but the grammar etc is fine

shut pivot
remote bobcat
#

just so you know, you can't really improve through a details damage breakdown unless you've been playing criminally wrong. Instead, log your dungeons and log some other fights to improve

lapis rose
shut pivot
#

You learn by playing and testing over time youl get the idea

#

Never trust sims blindly

undone flower
shut pivot
#

In some cases last season on st i was doing more than i simmed in the raid (talking before prepatch)

undone flower
#

Anyway, logging your dungeon might be more useful for your question, bc you can compare to others logs / post it here #1347646810457636974

lapis rose
lapis rose
autumn coral
dense elbow
#

I am just gonna go:
Omg, 180k ST DPS?! WOW

#

Fury broken!

#

report

shut pivot
#

Gl hitting 180

#

Lmao

undone flower
shut pivot
#

Ots a great tool but its not always realistic and or true

#

Its a good tool for comparing gear

#

Like the 180 k aoe in 2 min you are not hitting that

autumn coral
#

i'm asking why this sim me crit not about dps

shut pivot
#

Im 246 and the highest i pulled in m0 so far was 140-145k range

sudden tusk
#

It's our third best stat on ST rn

shut pivot
#

Crit always sims good in aoe

wanton zinc
#

are we meta?

#

or we still down bad

random shadow
#

We're just fine/good

#

We're never meta or down bad like arms

shut pivot
#

Always midsadge

random shadow
#

Ye. But we're consistently mid rho which is better then not consistent

shut pivot
#

Till 0.5

random shadow
#

For slayer ye. Thane not really

wanton zinc
#

How pettko accurate on tier list :D?

#

i feel like its scam

dense elbow
wanton zinc
#

no way fury is higher than ret atm

random shadow
#

Tier lists are always scams

shut pivot
shut pivot
random shadow
#

If you're good no matter what you'll be fine. I have a mm who only plays mm hunter and his cracked

random shadow
rare garnet
#

Tier lists are an objective and true snapshot of wow at the moment they’re made. They are born perfect and accurate.

random shadow
#

I also just play thane better

shut pivot
#

Im fine with thane

random shadow
#

Thane just plays better for me. I cant get over slayer from last season

#

I have a zug brain

shut pivot
#

St just sucks peepee compared to slayer

random shadow
#

I haven't really tested on dummies but my m0 st tha tive tested thane always did better

#

But again its a skill issue on my part

shut pivot
#

In m+ i dont even argue it

#

Thane is hands down better if you have a tank that pulls big

shut pivot
random shadow
#

Ima just hope and do my best on raid for my guild. I enjoy key content more anyways

#

Guild isnt that pushy anyways and I cba to find a better or a CE guild

shut pivot
#

Off the top of my head last boss of void scar i did 43k st as slayer

#

And woth thane i did 36sh k

random shadow
#

Idk its different every dungeon run. I've hit like 40-50ks as thane for bosses

#

Maybe sometimes 60k briefly

shut pivot
#

I have doubts about the damage meters working properly yet

random shadow
#

But again I enjoy thane more unless its s3 of tww

#

Meters fine both blizzard and details

#

Its judt every other spec is popping off lol

shut pivot
#

No talking in general

random shadow
#

But as long you do good on your end its fine

shut pivot
#

I was practicing fire mage aoe yday

random shadow
#

As long you havw fun and master your class you'll be fine

shut pivot
#

Did 5 runs of 5 min aoe

#

3/5 showed weird numbers

#

Tho i stoped at the same time and or dmg done

#

On pne of them it replaced flamestrike with ?????

#

🤷‍♂️

young swan
fiery hare
#

any working sct or still nada?

young swan
#

think they are all cooked

woven kelp
#

is there any information about if we should use veteran crest for off pieces like bracers and cloak with embellishment for week 1 ? asking sins i cant find any information about it

hasty shell
#

so theres no single target fight but kind of a mix of everything for this raid tier

#

is dungeon slice set up for fury or arms or is there a fight style archi has been working on besides patchwerk 1t

winter shoal
#

We don't use dungeon slice very much in general, usually just 1t 5m and 5t 5m

pale mulch
#

Hi everyone, how have the engineering embellishments been? Is primal spores still our BIS or can we use B1P and B0P without any big losses?

wind sentinel
#

Does mountain thane and slayer require different stat priority? I adore thane and use it for everything but if I need to go slayer I want to be aware

white relic
#

u guys planning on taking spear for a few bosses next id to slow/root adds?

winter shoal
raw canyon
#

So I have 300 veteran crests, I did all m0 and prey didnt get a single 240 wep should I craft one wep with veteran crests and im missing about 4 vet pieces should I craft with the remaining. Planning on spark crafting on tuesday the other wep

winter shoal
#

Probably better to just do daily m0 to get weapon

raw canyon
#

Wdym Daily m0 after the 17th?

winter shoal
#

Yes, after this reset m0 will be daily lockout and drop 246 champ 1/6 gear

#

So you can craft a 2h with embellishment and then do the m0s that drop weapons each day to hopefully get a second one

raw canyon
#

ahhh okay so what should I do with all these vet crests

winter shoal
#

Use them for upgrades and/or craft a weak slot 246 piece with a second embellishment

raw canyon
#

Okay but use them all before 17th cause most likely will be raiding that day

#

And than they will be useless

winter shoal
#

idk do whatever larias guide says to

pale mulch
# winter shoal You can just sim it big dog

Thank you. I do have premium raidbots so will do. I wasn't sure if it was fully up to date with the recent buffs and nerfs of embellishments. On the forums I was reading that B0P had a horrendous proc rate for fury compared to spores, but B1P can out damage it in situations where the enemies are in the cone.

undone flower
#

I think can sim every craft stats combo + embellishs combo on 1 slot on the same sim

#

Without paying

winter shoal
sullen cloak
#

I just realised that I have no coffer keys or shards.....is that right?

been doing most of post 90 content and havent had any drop

clever iron
#

yeah they dont drop yet

sullen cloak
#

thank goodness for that then lol

clever iron
pure hornet
#

does anyone know if there is an addon for whirlwind stacks – to show has 4 bars like the WA's?

gleaming siren
#

@warm crag @clever belfry @oblique trail @young swan @slim coral @smoky vale @flat river WHY IS WARRIOR SO GARBAGE BLIZZARD PLEASE FIX THIS DOGSHIT CLASS

slim coral
drifting token
smoky vale
#

why doesnt he get timed out

#

for@ in

#

5 people

#

but i do

#

???????????????????????????

gleaming siren
#

cause you're a noob

#

and I'm not

lost saffron
#

Because you are weird

gleaming siren
#

state of the warrior class sorry I was mad

#

(joking)

young swan
#

i think ur new char name should be schmidisuck

sand hatch
#

We probably don't want the answer, but we do

gleaming siren
#

you aint wrong

#

schmidisuck would go hard

brittle crow
#

1 day ill get included in a ping

#

..

gleaming siren
#

who are you

brittle crow
#

blind 💔

drifting token
#

I believe it's the secondary bar

brittle crow
#

ya it is

#

it's limited ish in functionality tho

#

it'll say you have 4 even if your ww hits nothing

#

cuz it's just guessing

drifting token
#

uh mine doesn't do that

pure hornet
#

is Improved Whirlwind Tracker better?

drifting token
#

IWT is just less clean or integrated, just shows 4 big fat bricks

nocturne bluff
#

who's simming higher in current gear + optimal buffs + patchwerk fight

sudden tusk
#

The imp ww tracker is the same used in sensei's the individual addon is more updated I believe

#

I use the standalone personally

brittle crow
#

yea it does

surreal token
#

why does the IWT track whirlwind stacks more accurate than blizz's own

drifting token
#

Maybe it happens just for ww? Cuz I'm strictly thane and doesn't happen for tclap

fallen quartz
#

Yo. im back after 3 years what fury warrior build will be best for m+, which player may i check out?

undone flower
#

I think they made almost every aura private + secret now

sudden tusk
#

The EU warriors are just built dif

flat river
#

why did u @ yourself @gleaming siren

gleaming siren
flat river
calm dock
#

so in regards to fury dps whats the actual result of the buffs? are we looking significantly better or worse than before?

flat river
#

EU > NA

gleaming siren
#

it iterates through nameplates

brittle crow
#

wtf..

#

last time i used it it did

#

when was it fixed

flat river
gleaming siren
#

it's not perfect

flat river
#

im teto fan #1

gleaming siren
#

but works often enough

flat river
#

change ur name

brittle crow
undone flower
flat river
#

but you saying u number 1 teto fan

#

is false

#

slander

calm dock
brittle crow
drifting token
#

Well it's one msg above that

#

We got a 10% aura buff so we're about...10% better.

flat river
pure hornet
#

anyone knows if i can change the sensei secondary resource bar color? its always blue.. sorry to bother

brittle crow
#

that's what i thought..

pliant cipher
flat river
#

o archi is online

#

we might get timed out

#

💀

undone flower
#

Miku is better anyway

brittle crow
#

mikuteto duets...

flat river
brittle crow
#

holy

flat river
#

:O

clever belfry
sudden tusk
#

Kebab

flat river
#

@brittle crow im bing chilling rn

#

low cortisol energy

brittle crow
#

youtube premium subscriber...

clever belfry
#

this actively increases my cortisol

flat river
flat river
sudden tusk
#

What is cortisol

clever belfry
#

no, i just dont like slop copy paste

flat river
#

and we bought family plan

flat river
clever belfry
gleaming siren
brittle crow
clever belfry
gleaming siren
flat river
clever belfry
flat river
#

<@&257983573498265600>

clever belfry
#

i dont think i will check it buddy

flat river
#

fast

#

free

#

xD

sudden tusk
#

Bots will suffer by my hand (I have no power)

flat river
#

unless...

#

YOU CLICKED IT

clever belfry
#

sure buddy

flat river
#

don't try to deny it it's too late

#

you've been exposed

undone flower
smoky vale
#

@gleaming siren change your name back

#

no one gave you permission

delicate rock
#

is the buff already live if you use latest on raidbots?

young swan
#

no

#

cause the buff isnt live

delicate rock
#

did i miss something then? i am simming 51k all of the sudden

young swan
#

new apl

ionic mortar
#

if we play both arms and fury, should we be holding our sparks just in case arms gets buffed to be better and we get a weapon from vault? so as to not craft a weapon if arms is played?

delicate rock
mental nexus
#

Variety is the spice of life

hallow sphinx
#

@gleaming siren change your name back

kind python
#

Are people playing slayer or thane for raid? It looks like every boss is AOE or cleave

gleaming siren
#

hmm

coarse nest
delicate rock
#

is there a way to do a sim without a execute phase? i want to see if i can produce my sim dps to improve

spare steppe
#

If adds live, thane. If adds die instantly, slayer prob

polar violet
sullen dove
#

think those don’t include any execute tho cuz it assumes dummy doesn’t lose hp

delicate rock
undone flower
#

It stays at 100% hp yes

delicate rock
#

ty

undone flower
delicate rock
#

ye did not know that

undone flower
#

In patchwerk the hp is distributed equally with the time

past lava
#

Is the difficulty increased for next weeks m0 daily runs? They drop higher ilvl and s1 dungeon rotation will be up, but can‘t find any info if they will be scaled different compared to this pre-season

sullen dove
#

I’d imagine not too different cuz that’d be weird

#

any dungeon hotfixes could change and apply sure but idk if current 4 will feel diff

#

as for how hard the 4 other ones will be who knows

#

can’t wait to get thwapped by algethar lashers though

undone flower
#

They might change, but the difficulty would be not knowing shit dw

past lava
#

Thanks for your thoughts on this

sullen dove
#

think main question is like.. Windrunner spire mobs gonna do 20% more health and damage for example in m0 from this week to next

#

but I don’t think that would be the case

#

shrugga tho

undone flower
#

You would need to ask someone who did beta m0s with similar gear keks

sudden tusk
#

i dont think the difficulty will increase

#

just the drops

echo rapids
#

I dont know why m0 difficiulty would go up

undone flower
#

Yeah it’s just I can’t confirm these dungeons are on the m+ tuning/season mode already

#

Since m0s are the base

coarse nest
#

I think theyre on lfr tuning currently

ionic mortar
undone flower
#

i remember a friend who depleted his first tww key, +2 ara kara

feral ivy
#

why do guilds want u to apply after they mesg'ed you?

undone flower
#

wdym ? like they want you to fill the form after messaging you ?

feral ivy
#

yea

undone flower
#

they don't all do that, but why is it bothering you ?

feral ivy
#

some do but its not like a bad bother its just where they mesg me from has all that already unless its like one person mesg and other looks at stuff

undone flower
#

they just want to know you answers to the form idk, they likely messaged multiple warriors

#

if they asked you, they probably asked every war in your world rank / higher or similar parses

cold sparrow
#

Hey looking for a good openning / rotation for raiding against 2 or 3 targets

#

I think slayer is going to be the best but not sure

#

what you'll think?

sudden tusk
dense elbow
#

It is going to be a long season

winter shoal
cold sparrow
winter shoal
#

otherwise your rotation on any amount of targets above 1 is the same

feral ivy
# sudden tusk

is this normal for cats?? im debating getting a puppy for my dog or a kitty for my dog

olive wraith
#

Council fights are likely going to be thane

winter shoal
#

council will 1000% be thane

cold sparrow
#

ok noted thx guys

sudden tusk
#

just a personality thing

#

just like 2 dogs might not get along same with dogs and cats

cold sparrow
feral ivy
#

the only thing im debating is training another dog where cats u dont have to train

dense elbow
#

Dogs train eachother tho

#

Learned behavior is ace

winter shoal
feral ivy
#

but they kinda KINDA high maint where cats are not as well

undone flower
#

if you don't have a garden yes dogs is high maintenance (going outside for poop time)

dense elbow
#

I mean, cats also take time and effort, they are also very social animals that got their own set of needs

If you dont mean to get an barn-cat

feral ivy
#

yea i live in a apartment

sudden tusk
#

the best part about thane is you basically play the same talents for kinda everything outside of ST

#

(that and our talent trees are kinda solved ngl)

dense elbow
#

best talent in our tree

blissful hound
feral ivy
#

for pvp yea

#

and not BG pvp just solo's

dense elbow
#

You sound like one of em "Bladestorm does a lot of damage" PvP guys

feral ivy
#

im thane

dense elbow
#

My point remains

split radish
#

yo bros i saw on WoWhead that as slayer furey warrior we only press rampage if enrage is going to fall off or if we have or 100 rage. What is the case of only pressing over 100 rage?

dense elbow
#

Ya use it to not overcap rage, wasting AM CDR

gaunt sonnet
#

are there BiS raidbot sim links kicking about anywhere?

undone flower
#

F

split radish
dense elbow
#

Just try play around it, it will feel super natural and flows really well. You will also get a hang over time of when to press ramp early and when to slam in another GCD before, by pure muscle memory

sullen dove
#

its done that way to give yourself a better chance to have higher enrage uptime

split radish
#

I am guessing we do the same during recklessness as well?

sullen dove
#

if you press it immediately after u get 80 rage when you might still have another sec or 2 of enrage, so you dont "have" to spend the rampage, but assume you do and now you're at 0 rage and u have 4-5 seconds or 3-4 globals to make back up to 80 rage and outside of cds thats not always that easy, and then you risk spending time not enraged while you have to get more rage from hitting unbuffed abilities

dense elbow
#

Reck is different, as you will swim in rage, I dont even know the real prio for that

I just slam out Ramps, to boost BS and OF as much as I can, after I slam out ramps to boost SD/BB

sullen dove
#

so the 100 rage thing is like a cushion to have you have a bit extra rage as a "just in case" you need help getting to next rampage

modest condor
#

pressing rampage earlier doesnt give you more AM cdr, it just means your next rampage is gonna be later

#

as long as you're not capping rage you're getting the maximum cdr

dense elbow
#

Why many words, when few do trick

sullen dove
#

cuz few word no good

#

during reck yea you dont have to worry about enrage uptime cuz you will always have enrage with zero issue just dont overcap rage solely for the purpose of damage/cdr loss

undone flower
#

BT or BB during reck incident

sullen dove
#

but outside of reck when rage isnt as plentiful thats why you do some rage pooling if you still have excess duration on enrage and dont have to immediately refresh it with ramp

dense elbow
#

BiS content

split radish
#

thank you

sullen dove
#

🫡

tiny seal
#

so we crafting a weapon with spark and spores next week and upgrade it to myth the next week right?

lyric panther
#

can we get mythic crests next week? Larias guide seems to suggest we can get 100 but no idea what from, 30 odd from 11 delves and maybe 15 from heroic crown?

spare steppe
echo rapids
crisp nest
#

Guys fresh 90 is there like gearing guide ? Or just m0 and world quest

spare steppe
#

He says mythic is week of the 24th

spare steppe
hollow leaf
#

What do the sims say about embellishments? doing crafting sims rn and was surprised to see the wowhead page recommend spore binding

spare steppe
#

Pretty sure it’s still spore, archi is in charge of the wowhead page so I have no reason to doubt it

hollow leaf
#

ty

gleaming juniper
#

37,247 vs 39,095 what is the percentage increase between these 2 numbers?

#

im not good at math lol

hot shell
#

If you type the same question in google the AI will answer you. Im amazed you chose to ask here instead

gleaming juniper
#

i didnt even think to google that good idea

undone flower
#

around 5.5% increase from 37.000

brittle crow
#

do i need to do my normal preys for rep this week or just hardmode

gaunt sonnet
#

with thane, do you ever press whirlwind? Or fully replaced with thunder clap/blast?

sullen dove
#

never

gaunt sonnet
#

so we can just make a macro that is either whirlwind or thane dependong on talents?

drifting token
#

Is it that hard to move the button to the key bind when you swap

sullen dove
#

Usually your hot bars are just like… saved when you swap talent builds anyway?

#

I def have no macro and it swaps from clap to ww swapping from thane to slayer

delicate rock
#

might be a weird question ... but how accurate is details atm compared to logs?

sullen dove
#

logs of what

delicate rock
#

Just overall dmg

sullen dove
#

and would assume should be similar enough

undone flower
#

i think it is

sullen dove
#

idk wat dat means think it just happens all the time

undone flower
#

did we press something in option menus 10 year ago to make it happen ?

robust onyx
#

how much haste are we looking for?

median umbra
ocean hearth
sullen dove
#

o wowie didnt realize mat quality was so significant

#

literally like almost 200 more skill

#

w tho

sudden tusk
#

yeah

#

does taht guy have full purple profs tho what the fuck

misty edge
#

mat quality has always been incredibly important, rookies

median umbra
#

ya gold mats are like 3x the price of silver mats

sudden tusk
#

im full invested and its only showing yellow for me

#

wonder if showing no mats defualts to low qual

modest condor
#

this is mine

sullen dove
#

purple gear doesnt even matter no

#

not any more skill than the blue

sudden tusk
#

its more

sullen dove
#

its like an ounce more stat

#

not skill

modest condor
#

just extra stats afaik

sullen dove
sudden tusk
#

oh its 11

#

oh thats why its weirdin me out

misty edge
#

demote madox

sullen dove
#

ill be takin that yellow

sudden tusk
#

the weps are 18 the 11s are accs

sullen dove
#

yea

#

40 total

misty edge
#

madox sitting here with 71 skill and probably like 60 knowledge confused how somone who put effort into crafting can guarantee a r5

sullen dove
#

lole

#

only got 84 skill bs is ass to level

#

just need the raid work orders to come in

#

hit 100 real quick

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i did troll a little going into axes and polearms not realizing both of those recipes are raid drops

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ehe

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going into mace not that hard right next to it tho

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just figured would try to cover as much agility as possible but i guess everyone that can use a polearm would rather just use fists/swords or somethin idk

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fuckin monks

misty edge
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im almost done with all weapons probably another week maybe 2

sullen dove
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but i mean having 1h axes str/agi/int is prolly fine

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like i think swords are actually useless

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not exclusive to anyone really

misty edge
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warglaives

sullen dove
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yea maybe

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i mean i have the recipe

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just not the skill to do without conc

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but like who really needs warglaives anyway

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cant dh's use swords too

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or axes or something

misty edge
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they can use other items but they are freaks and want their flavor item

sullen dove
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chuds

misty edge
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ive made more warglaives than anything else by a mile

sullen dove
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they can make warglaives later in an xpac when profs are more finished out

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chuds do not deserve an extra 50 knowledge points just for their shiny weapon type

misty edge
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both sides have their value

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daggers for the rogues of course on blades side

sullen dove
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i feel like bottom just covers a lot more but only missing thing is daggers maybe yea

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but like rogue players in 2026 anyway so lol