fury

[brittle mauve]

yeah

[honest trail]

I just don't like Clap as a concept cause hey lemme hit stuff with swords

Not feet

but other than that, it feels pretty good

[brittle mauve]

for sure

its fast, muchhh faster than me previous spec which is aug

[frozen portal]

can someoneexplain this to me

[wild plank]

what's wrong with feet

[honest trail]

They're not swords

[wild plank]

you goon to swords?

[modest condor]

if everybody's skill is so high that they cant create rank 1 anymore their supply plummets

[honest trail]

2 big swords > 1 big sword > 2 small swords > 1 spear > 2 spears > 2 daggers > Quit the game

[sudden tusk]

S-Snake the goat

[brittle mauve]

@honest trail i take it bb/bt do more dmg than exectue sub 35% ?

im reading tooltips, seems so

[honest trail]

yes

[brittle mauve]

lol

[wild plank]

I kinda feel like the people who dislike mountain thane are zoomers who didn't grow up playing Warcraft 3

[brittle mauve]

who designs this stuff...k ty

[honest trail]

I played AoE 1 & 2, not Warcraft, sorry

[wild plank]

I forgive you

[fleet garden]

Yeah, feel like I'm swinging Quel'Delar plenty as thane

[brittle mauve]

it'd nice if we could drop improved raging blow and take enraged regen, but it doesn't work like that

[frozen portal]

just caught up after like 2+ years last week , they really upped the quality in these last 2 arcs

[unkempt galleon]

Man thunderclap is such a lame main ability

[dense elbow]

Go get the Lightning glyph, at least it is a tad better i guess

[covert roost]

As a dwarf enjoyer who loves mountain king, thane and clap are excellent. Keep it coming bliz

[wild plank]

based

[tight arch]

do you guys think that %10 damage buff will be enough to be a fury mythic raider?

[potent granite]

Thane: thunder god, Colossus: Chad gladiator, Slayer: just some dude

[undone flower]

it is harder to do lvl 1 than 2

[wild plank]

Slayer: John Blizzard

[willow obsidian]

Alright. Are we loading into raid on Tuesday playing thane or slayer?

[dense elbow]

Yes

Whatever you want

[tight arch]

because i do overall 90+ logs for my ego and for the sake of my guild 😄 and i want to keep things like this

[fiery edge]

no m+ bis drop this week, rigged game

[dense elbow]

+30% or -30%, your parse would remain 90+

[tight arch]

in warriors yes, in guild dps overall nop

[dense elbow]

That game was lost the moment you got a semi decent lock

Or feral

Or ret

Or anything, really

It is over

Delete and go again

[fleet garden]

Slayer is beyblade aficionado

[tight arch]

ahahahah 😄 fair point

[fiery edge]

blademaster wannabe

[unkempt galleon]

thane is temu enhance shaman

[tight arch]

just wondering with set bonuses which will be better on raids, arms or fury. Im kinda new on warrior so dont judge me 😄

[rare garnet]

as soon as you said arms your question was answered

[dense elbow]

You can decide after next set of tuning

[tight arch]

Thank you for the answers everyone 🙂

[fleet garden]

I wish, imagine if thunderclap gave out a second wind fury buff

[fading sky]

Also 8/10 its fury

St gap is decent still

[silk wharf]

If only arms didn't take those random strays lol

[fading sky]

107 vs prob 90 atm so arms needs quite a lot more

Which tbh im doubtfull

And even if both had same dmg...

[dense elbow]

Are there ST only bosses tho

[fading sky]

Fury will be better in raid

Of bladestorm and cleave potential loosin defense

Arms looses st

[lyric panther]

fury simming 107?

[fading sky]

Post 10% i think y

[lyric panther]

thought it would be more 100-102 region

[fading sky]

Or was it 104?

Mby rosy glasses here

Still gap to arms is decent

[dense elbow]

It was 94k, no, so +9.4, 103.4

[fading sky]

Hm. Well still if arms hit 104. Furys prob brtter

In most encounters

[umbral whale]

Boys should I level my fury, looking for a melee alt and torn between sub enhance and fury

[dense elbow]

Go sub

[fading sky]

Sub

If its power u wsnt

[lyric panther]

have you considered Unholy DK

[fading sky]

I have 1🤣

[umbral whale]

Maining so yes

[regal marten]

I think I found a bug with thane, I don't know if this is known or if this is a visual bug. Basically if you have Burst of Power (increases BT dmg by 35%) and try to increase it further with Rampage (Scent of Blood 10% stackable 2x times), it won't get any more dmg from 2x stacks only from 1x stack of Scent of Blood. Meaning if you go over with your stacks you lose bonus dmg.

[modest condor]

that's how scent for blood works

[regal marten]

Well yea but shouldn't I have a 55% increase on 2x stacks not 45% dmg increase?

[modest condor]

no

[regal marten]

35% + 10% + 10%

Because 2x stacks normally gives me 20% more dmg

[modest condor]

it doesnt

it gives you 10% more damage for 2 bloodthirsts

[regal marten]

Omg

I see it now

Wtf is this

Yea nvm

[dire vigil]

What is our unwanted tier slot if we had to choose one for this tier?

[leaden wasp]

hey guys, how strong are we after the 10% buff?

[dire vigil]

Seems like 5-set is bis eventually

[coarse nest]

10% stronger

[safe orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/ronnie-coleman-bodybuilder-posing-double-gif-20430844

[fickle dirge]

Chest or Hands are okay to leave but ok to put on too

[smoky wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/my-man-mood-muscles-are-georgia-gif-19093752

[nocturne bluff]

alright. bladestorm just wins hands down... 41-42K consistent dummy ST

[oblique pond]

is there a new sim with these new changes?

[nocturne bluff]

Like a 2.5-3k dps increase over avatar

[storm junco]

did you find a solo dummy or is some of that cleave onto adjacent dummies?

[odd crater]

I was roughly around 41k as well on ST

[nocturne bluff]

solo

consistently hitting around 42k sustained

for 5m tests now

the irony is that my sim went down 1k while my actual dummy dps went up 3-4k with bladestorm...

[silk wharf]

Dummy sim and dummy practical are not equal remember.

[nocturne bluff]

i did patchwerk sim

just to gauge the benchmark

[silk wharf]

I'm going to assume raidbots isn't updated for the 17th changes yet as it isn't the 17th yet and there is no note saying so.
But does someone know for sure?

[storm junco]

it is if you use the latest model

[brittle mauve]

Tettles has fury as A tier for m+

Kinda promising

[raven ingot]

fury thane ye

[onyx yarrow]

thunder blast is fun

[brittle mauve]

Slayer or thane?

[somber eagle]

is there a big diff in damage between mt or slayer in m+?

[odd crater]

Slayer

[raven ingot]

52k as thane here

[brittle mauve]

Kk

[odd crater]

Very nice

[raven ingot]

but its MT mostly, let me try slayer more ST

[odd crater]

Oh I thought you were talking ST

My MT is higher as well, but I don’t have any current numbers, not at home

[raven ingot]

I sim ST 5 min

Slayer ST 5min just simmed 53.2k

[proper veldt]

how are u simming 53k and i am simming 31?

[rare garnet]

better gear

[sullen dove]

yea i mean u gotta be like 220 ilvl to sim 31 lol what

[silk wharf]

31 sounds like a dummy sim, 53 does not.

[sullen dove]

or that

[proper veldt]

i am 239 man

[native island]

So even with this aura buff, thane is still better than slayer fo m+?

[sullen dove]

no raid buff sim or something

[proper veldt]

ahy yeah btw its a dummy sim

i forgot

😄

[sullen dove]

always has been and its better still cuz slayer got reap nerfed

[native island]

Good, I like thane better anyway

[proper veldt]

shame on you slayer's playstyle is so much better

[native island]

I like clapping cheeks. What can I say

[crystal summit]

on dummy im doing almost exactly the same dps with my Raging blow build interestingly enough

and if i go thane, for lightnign strieks on raging blow its only about 1.5 - 2k dps less

[native island]

But I guess raging blow is on the lowest of low on the prio list correct?

[rare garnet]

that sounds like a skill issue

[crystal summit]

how so

im only missing bleed talents for bloodthirst

and the execution +5 rage talent

i still have bloodthirst talents for execution phase and rb adds to its dmg

[spare flame]

did yall craft anything yet or are you guys saving 4 sparks for a 2hander?

[crystal summit]

i jsut hit raging blow more often and get 30% more auto attack damage and speed

[proper veldt]

funny thing is as slayer now that the reap thing is removed i cant tell if i can do my sim on a dummy since its simming it without reap , what do i do

[native island]

Saving. But doing raid and first vault first.

[undone flower]

The reap on sd/bt is removed on the ptr

[rare garnet]

are you still just playing the normal rotation but dropped some better talents to pickup the RB skills or are you using RB > BT?

[crystal summit]

CgEAjLzRlq54bI5v+r8Sr9Xw4DAAAAAAgGDjxMzyyMzMzMmxMzMjZmxCmZmZmtZMzAAAxYZbgFwEMDTgZYDYmhhBAAzMzMGGDDG

i basically do rb x 2 -3 then rampage

RB buffs bloodthiurst dmg

[graceful elk]

What addon are you guys using

[crystal summit]

thats my build btw

[native island]

So is everyone here following the prio list/rotation that’s in wowhead? Or is there something I’m missing?

[crystal summit]

Ill try and explain it, i posted the talents above. Basically i just prio getting a few rb off and then BT when i only have 1 or less charges of it. it also is my filler too or to keep enrage up. Rb can stack 5%x5 bt damag which is nice and RNG gives me a very decent uptime of 30% attack speed and dmg

[native island]

Im Getting 40k at 242 but my weapons are really bad.

[crystal summit]

now i cant sim my build because they arent gonna use my prio or rotation

but its not like the guide rotation is very complicated

[undone flower]

Did you enchant your gear on the sim ?

[crystal summit]

tellin yall. after this nerf to bt proccing reap this may be it

YOU HEARD IT FROM ME FIRST

[rare garnet]

i mean you can write your own apl

which i would recommend if you're gonna cook

[native island]

No, just did the quick sim. When I get behind my pc ill do the better sim

[native island]

No it’s not. But I’m a bit confused as to if whirlwind is now a better value filler than rb is

Woops, wrong reply

[undone flower]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tEDacuDFiyyq26jMvom45d if you want to compare my last personal sim, I have very small higher ilvl now

[native island]

Nice, I’ll copy this link for later! Thanks happy

[crystal summit]

anyone got a few to try a few CDs worth of testing on target dummy with my build?

id love to see if im onto something

[rare garnet]

i would just write your apl

i dont think you're on to something

archi is pretty smort

[undone flower]

If he wants to look into something he should

[crystal summit]

if i change my talents up the raidbots know to change the prio list?

[chilly rover]

Anyone with info about how much fury is simming with better gear?

[crystal summit]

or will it just use the normal prio list with RB on BOTTOm

[rare garnet]

i mean for sure, but i would get the sims cooked instead of trusting single iteration target dummy rotations

is my point

[crystal summit]

i dont know how to do an APL

[undone flower]

You can change your talents + apl at the same time but it is advanced sims

[hearty geyser]

Do you guys like rotation on MT with low % haste?

[native island]

It feels sluggish tbh

But it will get better with better haste. In prepatch I couldn’t spend my rage fast enough. Now I’m twiddling my thumbs sometimes

[hearty geyser]

Yep 100%

[native island]

Almost feels like playing arms

https://tenor.com/view/di-caprio-godo-beffa-ghigno-gif-20251254

[marble pilot]

I dont feel like ive ever run out of things to hit. But there are times when none of the good abilites are up and you are just hitting rb cause its there

[undone flower]

You can ask someone if your advanced sim is cooked or not, that’s how you learn to not cook it

[native island]

This

[raven ingot]

53-54k

[ionic hamlet]

are we still going to run slayer for raid?

[rare garnet]

im simming like 57k or so

cheating enchanter of course

[digital tundra]

Do you ever press whirlwind with the thane build M+?

[marble pilot]

I dont.

Tclap/blast is always up before you run out of ww charges

But with the 0.5 changes maybe

[hard valley]

any clue guys what 246 items we crafting with embellishment this week? as raider

[rare garnet]

depends on what gear i get before raid from m0s

[olive wraith]

Never

[rare garnet]

and if i really wanna do that for 2% more damage

[marble swift]

the meta build really doesnt take enraged regen how am i supposed to survive giga tank pulls

[marble swift]

why would you suffer this

[rare garnet]

d stance

[marble swift]

d stance is a meme

[rare garnet]

refect, impending victory, health pot

[marble swift]

im convinced its broken

[rare garnet]

also not a meme

[marble swift]

gross

[olive wraith]

Broken as in overpowered

[dense elbow]

The new stance is silly levels of strong

[rare garnet]

its always crazy to me to realize 50% of my damage is tied to raid buffs and consumables

[blissful hound]

Only in the beginning of an expac though

but yeah its crazy

[south kayak]

Yeah those damage hit consumables are obscene at the start lol

I remember that Glacial flask from DF S1

It was doing a lot of damage

[blissful hound]

A R2 flask now is like what, 160 or 180 secondary stat?

Which is about what a ring gives

[vernal laurel]

Yo, do we have Fury ST sims after the changes? Sorry if this has already been asked, cant find em

[timid totem]

Hi all, I talented rampaging ruin to check it out and noticed that hovering rampage says that the damage falloff is 8+ targets, where the talent itself says 5+. Do we know which tooltip is correct?

[native wadi]

~100k

10k below most classes

[vernal laurel]

Ah ok ty

Sadge

[native wadi]

Thande is around 98/99

Thane*

[regal marten]

Hey, could someone explain to me why BT does 14k dmg and on training dummy 9k?

Do mobs have armor in this game or?

[blissful hound]

yes

[regal marten]

Ah.

Thankss!

Unfortunate information tho

[vague owl]

Hmm. Lowkey prefer to play Slayer. Even if the numbers are worse. Just feels 10x better.

[blissful hound]

Its a mechanic as old as the game itself and very intransparent

Im not sure about normal mobs but I believe bosses take 30% less physical damage

[regal marten]

I see. I'm just trying to make some calculations to min max my rotation

And the dmg meter didn't add up

[blissful hound]

Armor is static so it shouldnt mess up your maths

As our damage is pretty much only phys

[regal marten]

Yea. It was just my thunder clap kept critical striking and my bt was there zzz on cleave so I was like: wtf is this dmg gap

[white nest]

The rampaging ruin one. It's a modifier.

[heavy galleon]

You generaly press rampage > BT or BT < rampage ?

[spare steppe]

using this in a macro and it won't display avatar. what's going on?

#showtooltip [spec:1/2,noknown:Bladestorm] Avatar; Recklessness

[slim coral]

If not enrage or about to be over 120 rage you should rampage

[heavy galleon]

yes, I just wondering, now rampage give 3% STR, so it's probably better to spam when we are on CD no ?

[red sentinel]

Shouldn't it be #showtooltip [known: Avatar] Avatar; Recklessness?

[spare steppe]

I previously had tried that but it didnt work either

[white nest]

Kinda but it results in more filler GCDs

[spare steppe]

only occurs when switching between slayer and thane

[fickle dirge]

Why do you need this since Reck and Avatar has the same cooldown you can just look at Reck cooldowns right?

#showtooltip [known: Avatar] Avatar; Recklessness
/use Recklessness
/use Avatar

but this should work

[ruby scaffold]

My guy, just put one or the other one your bar w/o the macro

it automatically changes

/use Recklessness
/use Avatar```

And if I misread it (was in a dungeon) and want the tooltip to change if you have Avatar or not

[grizzled spindle]

Do we have any fury sims?

[spare steppe]

I'll test that, for some reason the [known:avatar] wasn't working but maybe it'll work better with the spell ID

[fickle stirrup]

Opposite for me.
I sim for 115k 5Targets and I kept fizzling out to 100k doing BB/BT
When I did Clap every other GCD I sat around 115k-117k

[ruby scaffold]

It -should- work, that's the one I use

[hollow leaf]

it brokie

[brittle mauve]

Ilvl and duration ?

[fickle stirrup]

237 and went at it for 5mins

[brittle mauve]

I just sim 40 seconds then do it in game

And after the feedback I did more than the sim

The points were good. Target count and prio target are major considerations.

[slim coral]

New sheet

Old one goes bad after new sheets is made

[acoustic seal]

Or after someone shares it in a class discord

[undone flower]

not like it is not public knowledge when more than 1 person has the link

[white nest]

Lol I had them macros long before the GCDR change purely out of laziness

[valid pulsar]

as thane we can go enrage regen by dropping massacre no ?

i think someone mentioned that recently

[sand hatch]

Just don't run enraged regen. Defensives are a healer problem 😛

[valid pulsar]

this spell saved my ass so many times

i love this spell

[sand hatch]

Buy a new healer off eBay

[glad hill]

With MT be the go to for raid this tier since no boss is pure ST?

[nocturne bluff]

You're telling me your sims show fury warrior ST doing 100k? In what environment lmao?

[modest condor]

yes

[white nest]

Spell reflect or bust

If it's magic damage, spell reflect, if it's anything else take it like a man.

[grave elm]

why hasnt wowhead guide been updated since 2025?

[winter shoal]

It was updated last night I think

[grave elm]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/fury/war-within-season-3

is it this one?

thats the one in faq

[proven stream]

release the sims

[proven stream]

cos that's s3 link. just click classes -> fury on wowhead

[grave elm]

oh found it thank you

[slim coral]

https://tenor.com/view/witch-hide-hiding-laughing-evil-laugh-gif-11053601

[native island]

do these give gear if youve already gotten gear from them after reset?

i had a few caches i unpacked before

[visual wing]

Has the sim spreadsheet been updated with the buffs yet?

[native island]

i know the first 2 guarantee gear, but theres an "and more" in the text above it

[winter shoal]

I ran some preliminary sims based on some overrides Fishy sent, slayer is like 3% ahead on single target and thane is like 15% ahead on 5t

[modest ravine]

I am a new player, lvl 240ilvl playing prot, I have been asked to offspec fury, how should i go about getting my 2h's? i assume my best bet is to craft one 2h and do m0/m+ for the other?

[winter shoal]

but those numbers could be wrong and there could be more theorycrafting done so take that with a very large grain of salt

[visual wing]

Thank you.

[blissful hound]

As Fury you will want to craft a 2h anyway as soon as mythic crests are available. The other you will get from m0 and m+ yes

[modest ravine]

okay thank you.

[valid pulsar]

are you guys going primal spore binding or hunt embellishment ?

[native wadi]

259

[sullen dove]

~288*

[fringe linden]

Given how low Execute is on the Thane rotation would moving points out of Massacre and Deep Wounds be a good idea?

Heck could even drop Sudden Death. That'd lose Focus in Chaos, however.

[young swan]

they actually sim for like 115k+

[undone flower]

take off the points and try to take something else on the talent calculator

[fringe linden]

Ah. Can't drop Sudden Death.

[undone flower]

you take take off deep wounds

but every other possible talents is raging blow talents

and killed or be killed

[fringe linden]

Wanted to see if Surge of Adrenaline was a possibility.

But it's behind a 2 point talent 😐

[sullen dove]

guys dw we sim 130k cuz the extra 6 ilvl from turbo boost not considered yet

[humble plover]

You're so right, I was about to ask what I should play instead but we're just as good as everybody else

[modest condor]

so real

[limpid elbow]

which ones better for fury

[native island]

so we spam whirlwind as a filler before we ever press rb right? (thane)

[sullen dove]

uh

you are never pressing whirlwind as thane ever

[native island]

so rb is still the filler?

[sullen dove]

sure

also got wrecking throw occasionally

but tclap is only like a 4-5 sec cd or something normally

[native island]

right, thats what iu was confused about. thank you

well sometimes i have nothing to press

[undone flower]

if you have trouble reading the rotation on wowhead you can ask

[humble plover]

Too late I'm spamming whirlwind

[sullen dove]

spam these

[humble plover]

Pants grab

[undone flower]

some ppl are not familiar with reading a priority rotation

[native island]

i am, i just read in this thread before that raging blow was so bad and low on prio that it would be better to press whirlwind instead of rb and that kinda stuck in my head

and since i sometimes have nothing to press, my question was do i press ww instead of rb

[undone flower]

you can take off ww of your hotbar as thane, i thought the button was replaced by thunderclap when you are thane

[native island]

Nah, it's still there. waiting for it's time to shine and be manually pressed. Sad skill

[gaunt vale]

i think ww does more dps than raging blow when there are 4+ mobs

so i guess it should be pressed as a filler instead of raging blow

[gaunt vale]

oh i just realized i replied to that, i didn’t even read it

[native island]

So only when in multitarget situations then. when 3 or less would be rb. That's good info

[gaunt vale]

yeah, but i mean with the meat cleaver talent ofc

[undone flower]

you are right it does 0.2% more

with my char

[solemn lily]

IS ARMS OR FURY BETTER FOR PVP??

[rare garnet]

arms is better in all content

[stable hound]

prot

[undone flower]

#pvp knows more i suppose

[solemn lily]

I play prot to find dungeons faster

[shadow maple]

with the change how are the sims for us

[random shadow]

10% stronger

[shadow maple]

we pass 100k dps now¿

[young swan]

yeah

[frank dawn]

Has that fancy sim stack screenshot been updated yet

[rare garnet]

slayer big aoe?

[young swan]

no lool

[slim coral]

Not fully no

It’s not accurate yet

It has fury at like 93k

[limpid elbow]

w hich ones better

mastery right?

[icy torrent]

[limpid elbow]

u a cornball

[sullen dove]

pmuch the best answer to any question but idk haste prolly good too to have more than like 2%

[storm lantern]

This is the answer you will always get

Sim yourself

[slim coral]

IMO haste is the best option here because it’s very hard to find haste gear Atleast it was for me

I sat at like 7% haste before my 2nd round of m0s

[pliant jackal]

honestly i just vibe it at this point lol its all going to be replaced

probably stupid but its whatever

[odd crater]

Fury best played via vibes tbh

[pearl sequoia]

brewmaster > arms

[slim coral]

We don’t post screenshots of this links only

[trim moon]

Where are blizzards pink babies? Old list

[warm rock]

its what i was wondering

[arctic portal]

ist there anything useful i can spec into instead of piercing howl and wrecking throw?^^

[pearl sequoia]

wrecking throw is useful, ranged kick

[remote veldt]

It's single or multi target list ?

[earnest canyon]

Ulria Feat Mazz + Lil'Wizzle - Brap brap pew pew

[pliant jackal]

why does it feel like warriors always start the xpac as shit

and its patched into a decent spot for the last few xpacs

[trim moon]

Damn bruv...they beating you too 😛

[pearl sequoia]

i get beat by everybody

buff warrior

[trim moon]

You a god thane though 🙂

[lavish sierra]

On that sheet, the source simulations that input that data, are those done via just like a nightly simc build? Basically just waiting for someone to add hotfixes into the relevant cpp files?

[arctic portal]

what OO how does it interrupt ><

[night obsidian]

why cant I mog my weap outside of legion artifacts? xP

[pearl sequoia]

it silences or something idk

works on normal mobs

[pearl sequoia]

its representative of the 17th class tuning i believe

[pearl sequoia]

you are probably just looking at the artifiact weapon tab, top right you should be able to select what weapon type you want to transsmog to

[night obsidian]

theres nothing for it, it just wont allow me to change it

[brittle crow]

cuz it's not the top right

you're being pranked

it's above the weapon slot itself

switch off of artifact override back to 2h fury

[night obsidian]

oooh thanks! it seems like it doesnt save tho, I clicked on both, tmog, and once Im out the transmog guy, it rolls back to artifact

[brittle crow]

it's fucky wucky

switch off and back to the outfit

[ocean ore]

any reason to not have avatar and reck macroed on thane?

[brittle crow]

no

[slim coral]

It’s fine

[brittle crow]

and no reason not to on slayer either

[arctic portal]

is there a talent that does that or anything? cant find any info^^

[nimble sluice]

They were probably thinking of Storm Bolt? never heard of wrecking doing a silence

[summer quail]

javelineer

[nimble sluice]

I stand corrected, javelineer it is

[deft scroll]

Hi, do we have a sim for furry war full stuff ?

[modest condor]

idk why being a furry is relevant for that question, but fury is around 102k and arms is so down bad it's not worth thinking about

[vagrant imp]

ai did so much better than I thought it would for me.

[faint light]

is odyn's fury a must?

[modest condor]

depends on your goals, if you want to do the most dps then yes

[random shadow]

Our tier set also buffs odyns fury

[slow lagoon]

where is this data coming from ?

[flat river]

no pinkclass

[winter shoal]

ret supposedly saucing rn

[gleaming juniper]

u guys see this yet

[winter shoal]

About 600 times today yes

[gleaming juniper]

idk how 15% ends up being 6k

lol

[fast mural]

88-74 = 6 ?

[pastel bronze]

74 * 1.15 = 85.1 qik maffs

[hardy shuttle]

is there a link to this

[thorny sparrow]

should avatar/reck be macro'd to its own key or put on to rampage/odyn's fury? im having trouble noticing consistently when they're off CD due to anger management

[native wadi]

So we are officially worst dps mow that sims are out

[compact knot]

not even close

and never was

huh

[sturdy violet]

I think he is saying every class has a spec above warrior's best one

Good thing this tier only has 5min st patchwerk bosses

[compact knot]

(every boss has aoe btw)

i think hunter is in a worse spot

no raid util, shit raid buff, also heard surv is oversimming

they may have a higher number but it doesnt mean better

although you probably bring a pwar at this point

[sturdy violet]

Feral sims are fake since they dont run those talents if there is need for cleave

[modest condor]

i mean

you probably just dont have a feral play cleave talents

[compact knot]

they are also oversimming

[sturdy violet]

I know guildie was exaggerating when he said -30k for running cleave on kitty but if it's anywhere near that I'm not sure you slot in the feral at all no matter what the st sims say

[modest condor]

like i said, you probably just dont have the feral spec for cleave

you dont need everybody in the raid to do aoe damage

[remote haven]

still a very depressing screenshot

[modest condor]

most extreme example was that guy in sanctum where you basically just had 1 or 2 people spec aoe and the rest tunneled the boss

[sturdy violet]

But do you slot in the feral as pure st boss trucker or grab the motw some other way and play +1fdk

[undone flower]

Our hunter on ovinax was in ST

[modest condor]

if the boss has a dps check you would try to keep the feral in for as long as possible

same thing on tindral, not everybody was specced into aoe even tho the boss had frequent burst aoe

if like 5 dps can take care of the aoe requirement why bring more

[winter shoal]

esp if those dps don't lose any single target to do so (like thane fury)

[sinful socket]

@gleaming juniper Can you link the source? I'd like to use the links in it

[winter shoal]

It's ulria's sheet but it's paywalled

[modest condor]

paywalling is cringe

[compact knot]

it gets leaked though pretty normally

[desert dirge]

Do I enchant Arcane Mastery on one weapon and Berserker's rage on the other?

[compact knot]

i got ts open rn

[modest condor]

especially if you're not even the one doing the work and you're only pasting other people's sims in a sheet

[winter shoal]

I mean I do too

SOmeone posted it like 30 mins ago or something

[modest condor]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GKshVVe_RAXO0I7kFnmg4Nu7kkqbJRV4GItbUHCvLfc/htmlview?pru=AAABnRIFB9s*#gid=1774556142

[winter shoal]

but if you can't be fucked to even scroll that far back to get the linky yourself idk might be joever

[sullen dove]

i mean half of that sheet is bloat anyway

when each spec has 2 hero talents that fluff up the sheet for no fucking reason when you will only pick the best one for st all the time

"oh my god theres 500 other classes better than fury in the game wtff"

just put the best one for each spec in there

waste of space

[south kayak]

Real

[sullen dove]

ah yes unholy sanlayn i love playing dogshit

[jolly wind]

Feels like fury does shit dmg outside of CDs but before it didn’t feel like that

Last xpac ur dmg wasn’t dogshit outside cds but now it is

What changed

[sullen dove]

yea reck abandon makes cds a bit better

i mean its just slightly difference in dmg shift

previously cds barely mattered which was arguably more cringe

now they're a little better

can take advantage of damage amps more

[modest condor]

avatar being on AM and giga buffing clap

[summer quail]

for thane they gave us extra tclap/tblast damage in avatar. pretty big deal

[modest condor]

for slayer it's actually not that big of a difference

apex talent is also a small increase in cooldown power

[sullen dove]

ngl after playin with it more i am really sick of the reduced rage cost

give us something else

[modest condor]

it's weird when you're above 50 rage but below 80 and then reck drops

and rampage is still glowing

[sullen dove]

yea

but just like even st rotation for thane

[jolly wind]

Yeah that’s annoying

[sullen dove]

you send 1 ramp you do 2 bb's with burst of power oop youre rage capped again

have to hit rampage b4 actually putting bb on cooldown

just take that shit off

make berserk give like a little more strength or more duration to compensate

[summer quail]

i wonder if it's worth to rampage in that scenario to get a cheaper rampage. might be too feelycrafty

[sullen dove]

it only feels not completely dogshit on slayer

[summer quail]

[modest condor]

cant really rampage in the middle of a gcd

[sullen dove]

youd have to track like the last 1 second of reck and in that 50 rage situation where you would want to send a BB do you choose to send the low rage ramp

[summer quail]

trutru but if at 60-70 rage and 1 global before reck drops, is it worth to ramp?

[undone flower]

Idk if it is too much reduction or the concept itself but yeah it is weird to get used to

[sullen dove]

def too much too

[modest condor]

but it's the last ability you use that pushes you over 50 rage

[jolly wind]

Yeah it feels like all ur globals r spamming rampage during reck

And ur never getting to bb

[sullen dove]

yea would also fix that a bit in aoe

[undone flower]

When you are used to see the red bar go suddenly fast down, it feels like rampage hit less with the cost, even tho it is 100% the opposite

[nocturne bluff]

Rampage at 50 rage every time.

It just feels right

don't @ me

[undone flower]

@nocturne bluff

[jolly wind]

Does it matter? If you can rampage just press it

[nocturne bluff]

I don't feel like enrage ever falls off

[jolly wind]

If u have ww stacks that is

[nocturne bluff]

so who cares

[jolly wind]

Yea same it doesn’t

[zinc python]

How's fury looking now with the 10% buff?

[edgy widget]

What 10% buff?

[zinc python]

We got a 10% buff to all damage

[gleaming juniper]

MT feels like a wet noodle on ST

[edgy widget]

Who decided that?

[zinc python]

I can't tell if you're trolling me

[deft palm]

Are those simmed with the best races for that class and spec?

[edgy widget]

I'm just messing with you. I couldnt tell you. I'm topping damage charts in a dungeon atm but there could be so many reasons as to why

[zinc python]

Lol ret pally doing 139 dps

[autumn harbor]

where did you find this epic spread sheet?

[lavish sierra]

i downloaded the git repo and I don't see the paladin hotfixes applied the same way as the dk ones

"hotfixes" but like as quick patches

[winter shoal]

What do you mean

[warm crag]

fuck man 55 dps for guardian druid is crazy

[warm crag]

the sims are linked you can just check

fury at least sims with human which seems wrong but bm hunter goes as pandaren

[lavish sierra]

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/commit/4e8bf8993a72f4e0ed8aecc0db01986eed777db3 like here's how we applied them

i say we but it's actually arch doin it

[inner bolt]

are we still able to go arms and upgrade two weapons for the price of one?

[winter shoal]

Should be able to yes

[winter shoal]

They might be directly applying the overrides in the raidbots config for their sims if they aren't in on simc yet

That's what I (and by I, I mean Fishy) did last night

[sullen dove]

real not cringe list with dupes of specs with worse hero talents removed and idk no ret or something cuz wasnt where i started from

see only like 15 specs better

cluegi

[winter shoal]

This guy assumes we're not gonna play thane on every fight

everyone point and laugh

[sullen dove]

thane is for chuds

[winter shoal]

Real

[sullen dove]

slayer number higher

ergo better

[winter shoal]

Slayer number higher in pure single target

very slightly

[sullen dove]

crazy how feral went from dogshit to that though huh

even if a little bugged or something

[lavish sierra]

@winter shoal you mind if I ask you some questions about that stuff? i'm sure we're all nerds here but I like being able to like, mess with stuff and have some experience with c++ making some weirdo autonomous craft

[edgy widget]

I refuse to play feral again until they release the ghost of the pridemother skins again lol

[limpid tide]

explain

[sullen dove]

the like... challenge artifact appearnce?

[winter shoal]

I don't know fuck all about the simc side of things, that's Archi and Arma

[unborn delta]

asdfjkl;ghqweruiopytyZxcvnm,.b

[silver comet]

keep dreamin i been waiting on mop challange mode sets to come back out

[winter shoal]

I have a slightly above average understanding of how to use raidbots and that's it

[sullen dove]

look guys even better if u remove all the classes with multiple specs for only the best spec cuz like why would u bring an afflock over a demo lock or fire mage over frost mage etc then only like 10 classes are better than warrior true!

dont look at how its at the bottom!

unholy fell ooooff

[lavish sierra]

ele stormbringer right now feels like crap

[sullen dove]

maybe idk zappy boys do not deserve rights regardless

[undone flower]

You spent too much time on this that I can’t respect you

[sullen dove]

wym too much time this was like a 30 second endeavor both times

[unborn delta]

nah we hella strong

[warm crag]

your offhand upgrades are free as fury due to using two two handed weapons

[sullen dove]

[unborn delta]

💪

[sullen dove]

theres also no way diabolist is that bad for demo man

[earnest canyon]

Can you do aoe

[sullen dove]

literally only soul harvester got nerfed and its still like 15% better?

thought it was only barely better before

that gotta be some chud demo sim

[hollow leaf]

Do you know if brew has been updated on this?

[modest condor]

im never linking something again

[unborn delta]

apl for that is prob the single button rotation

[undone flower]

You link it = you made the spreadsheet

[sullen dove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1343121519449997433.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=dancing_mushroom

[modest condor]

seems like it

[unborn delta]

the spreadsheet says we shouldnt share it publically 🫣

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1343121519449997433.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=dancing_mushroom

[undone flower]

It is private share

[modest condor]

apparently it's paywalled but paywalling is cringe so i dont care

[sullen dove]

spreadsheet these nuts

[winter shoal]

Gottem

[sullen dove]

fury went from bottom to still bottom but not by as much

win in my book i guess

maybe saved in mythic week who knows

[zinc python]

Is that spreadsheet right?

[sullen dove]

shrugga

every spreadsheet is always right

yep

[undone flower]

Arms is above a spec so no

Breaking reality

[zinc python]

Lol yea I can't imagine thats right. That means feral is doing 50% more dmg than arms

50% increase. Thats an insane gap

[frank vault]

I mean... It is. Lol.

[summer quail]

unholy was over 100% increase earlier hahahah

[undone flower]

Some specs are corrected with next week tuning, some are not, go check the class discord if you really want to know

If the sim next to the number date before 24h probably not accurate

[verbal wolf]

hello guys, how does fury feels in m+ with mroe than 5 targets, good bad or meh ?

[glacial flare]

spreadhseet for single target or multi?

[sullen dove]

pretty cool

(thane)

(do not play slayer)

or do if you want ig

[compact knot]

idk i kinda think slayer owns

[sullen dove]

cluegi

idk feel like bladestorm is just like nothing and reaps are even more nothing

actually getting to hit bb in cds is prolly pretty cool though

[winter shoal]

Me when I have 3 glowing buttons during cds and I press a raw TC instead

[young swan]

sucks dicky pooop

3k ahead st

50k behind aoe

poggers

[undone flower]

At least it’s not the hero ppl loved in S3 bc you spammed 1 button to proc reap while being afraid they might be spamming 1 button to proc reap in 6 weeks

[winter shoal]

I mean that's a somewhat bad faith argument isn't it? On the one hand you had "you basically play your normal rotation in aoe, just cast ww every 5th global", and on the other hand you have "you play a mindless 2 button rotation that is completely different from the rotation you normally play"

[undone flower]

Thank god we had ww yes

[mental nexus]

For our ST rotation, why do we prio Tblast, even at 2 stacks, over a bloodbath? Tblast does 152% AP versus BBaths 509%.

I know it might lead to overcapping Tblast, but wouldn't the much harder hitting ability take priority?

[fiery edge]

Slayer slaaaay

[winter shoal]

TBlast has a bunch of other damage tied to it from lightning strikes and extending avatar

[mental nexus]

Even then, 2 seconds of 20% more damage doesnt seem like it would outweigh an ability hitting 5 times harder.

Ofc this is a zugger just feelscrafting, so ill respect the list. Just seems off

[sullen dove]

in st "ideally" youre never put in that situation anyway

[summer quail]

don't forget the free lightning strike from tblast. but also 2 seconds more of avatar is a global or two more of 20% increased damage. avatar does also increase tblast damage by 50%

[sullen dove]

shouldnt happen that often aside from i guess if burst of power procs

like if you just hit bb > you get a 2nd charge of tb, then nothing should be stopping you from hitting the tb other than 1 ramp maybe which u can slam but then hit the tb right after since bb still on cd for 2-3 globals

like 80% of the time thats kinda why it doesnt matter

only if burst of power yea and u have 3 bbs to send in a row it can feel bit more cringe

[young swan]

pressing BB means risking overcapping on procs which is just wasting damage

[molten flicker]

Is battleshout baseline 5% in midnight? +3% from battlefield commander 8% attack power?

[young swan]

yep

[gray canyon]

Good evening guys, is Fury Warrior currently better than Arms Warrior?

[crude cobalt]

for 0s is thane or slayer better atm?

[young swan]

yes

[young swan]

literally doesnt matter, play whichever u enjoy

[heavy dock]

Go thane so you are a CLAPPA chad

Wrong ping

Meant the other guy, but still applies xD

[grand osprey]

MT or slayer for M+?

[oak peak]

Thane

[opaque pendant]

what is general stat priority for initial gearing? Obv sims = best, but icy veins and wowhead have conflicting answers

[rare garnet]

some haste and mastery, a bit of crit, sprinkle in a smidge of verse,

this is objectively the best stat allocation at 241, cant change my mind

[summer quail]

wowhead tends to get updated faster so i just follow that. can always look at maxroll as well, if they both say the same things then you can safely assume it's correct. ofc like you said sim is best

[rare garnet]

stats are too reliant on what you have, and you dont have what you dont have, sims are goat for that reason, and take 10s to sim all your gear in your bags to put on the best

[magic heath]

Hi, is it possible to macro bladestorm & storm bolt - so it uses stormbolt while bladestorm is active if Im spamming the macro?

[rare garnet]

as long as you don't mind hitting the button over and over, yes

[magic heath]

Yeah thats fine

#showtooltip
/cast Bladestorm
/cast Storm Bolt

I got this, but it doesnt work 🤔

[rare garnet]

#show Bladestorm
/castsequence reset=15 Bladestorm, null
/use Storm Bolt

[magic heath]

Oooo thanks man

[rare garnet]

for reasons unknown the null drops it to the next line

weird tech

[zinc python]

We are crafting 2hander first right?

[magic heath]

Actually good to know

[raw canyon]

Only have two sparks what we crafting? Or getting two more sparks on 17th and crafting a full 4 spark wep

[frigid basin]

@zinc python yes

[rare garnet]

i have 3

[valid pulsar]

i have 3

😄

[zinc python]

Yea you should have 3

4 on Tuesday

[raw canyon]

Weird for my Radiant Sparks since season limit two

[valid pulsar]

you should have 3 in your inventory if you did the weekly quest from liadrin this week

[raw canyon]

Hmm okay going to find that weekyl and finish

[fiery edge]

mine also 241, but so ass

getting verse drop rather than mastery

[rare garnet]

yeah cant agree with those stats at all, sorry friend

[raw canyon]

If i currently have one what should I do to get to 3

And tuesday we get one morie than craft 2h

[valid pulsar]

Did you do the quest Midnight: World Tour

[raw canyon]

not yet

[valid pulsar]

there you go

its gives a spark as well

you have to play the game to get the spark brother

[ionic stratus]

Ive been away from game for few months so in out of the loop.

How is fury looking going into season 1? For m+ & raid

[rare garnet]

like it gives battle shout

and does moderate damage in melee range

[ionic stratus]

Are players generally happy ? With rotation and tuning? Im looking at rotation right now it seems like not much has changed

[random shadow]

depends if youre a slayer or thane enjoyer

thanes fine, slayer did get some nerfs this upcoming patch and will get some bigger oness for the .5 patch

[rare garnet]

slayer keeps taking Ls for some reason and i dont quite understand why

[tepid lily]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-thumbs-up-okaychamp-twitch-xqc-twitch-gif-14617017

[random shadow]

at least we're not arms players

[rare garnet]

100

[tepid lily]

who's we

[ionic stratus]

Arms not doing great?

[rare garnet]

arms isn't real

[random shadow]

Fury players

you can play and enjoy arms, but at least fury as a spec isnt getting the arms treatment lol

[rare garnet]

if you're not sure how arms is doing nows a good time to hop over, back to posting their jifs

[random shadow]

wouldve liked more buffs for the 17th patch, but im just happy we didnt get nerfs and a typical aura buff

[rare garnet]

i would have liked for them to not be so against slayer doing aoe yet so affraid of it doing more ST than thane

2% more ST for 20% less AOE is a hell of a value prop

[random shadow]

ye i feel for you slayer enjoyers, i just like Thane for keys so its a nice 10% increase, idk about slayer in raids tho

[rare garnet]

i dont see how you play slayer in raid even, any mobs and suddenly thanes doing big claps, meanwhile no adds show up and you're doing essentially the same ST

[raw canyon]

SO i have two Spark of Radiance in the bag + 2 Radiant Spark Dust does that mean I am all caught up

[random shadow]

pretty sure theres hella mobs in raid this time around too, i was kinda debating going thane anyways

thanes MT and ST doesnt really change either, just having improved WW

[random shadow]

The dust is just to track the amount of sparks you have, youre suppose to have 3 total sparks this week, 2 from the weeklies, and 1 from the world tour event

[kind python]

What is the plan come Wednesday? Are we crafting a weapon with sparks/veteran crests and also putting an embellish on bracers or something?

[young swan]

hold till mythic week and craft a mythic weapon

[gray tusk]

Weapons come at champion lvl so you only need to save mythic and hero crest

IMO it ain’t worth holding on to anything below hero

[low ravine]

whats the best to craft if u wanna both tank and fury then.. cant figure it out whit all the different guides

[hybrid yew]

i miss season 3 war within

[stiff carbon]

sooo... reap the storm's usage, proc and animation is like one of the cooler things about fury atm imo

It's going to be happening much less now after the nerf?

[modest condor]

about 15% less often

[stiff carbon]

That doesn't seem too bad

[sullen dove]

brokie

spends 300k on enchants on lfr gear wont spend on a recraft to have 259 weapon first global gg

[young swan]

200k

[dapper goblet]

based

[timber hare]

So does anyone know exactly how far behind slayer will be in keys?

[daring rose]

who told you behind?

[sullen dove]

everyone here cuz it is behind thane

probably like 10-20% on aoe, gap increasing with higher target counts cuz tclap and blast are op, but slayer should still be playable enough for like normal vault keys if you want

[fiery edge]

man i got bored of thane real quick

[raw canyon]

Yoo is there a work around for Midnight: World Tour. I already Learned about a legend a couple days ago but theres part of the quest line whats the work around?

[timber hare]

Hmm alright, thanks

[daring rose]

whats everyone's weapon crafting plan next week? 259, 272 or none.

[slate cobalt]

For raid, if there are fights with 2-3 target cleaves, whats our talent build of choice?

[random shadow]

I'll probably just play thane for majority of the raid form the looks of it besides maybe a boss or two thats decently ST

[slate cobalt]

I would definitely prefer to play Thane too. Slayer feels pretty awkward to me playstyle wise

[nocturne bluff]

Ret paladin buffed as much as arms

dafuq

ret is performing fine now isnt it?

at least from observation in m0

[young swan]

ret got buffed more than arms

[modest condor]

should have seen spriest lol

i know that they lost a ton of aoe

but they went from arms tier on st to one of the best

[nocturne bluff]

Honestly baffled by ret paladin

so many insane ST buffs

arms needs more

[slate cobalt]

Not gonna lie, I thought Spriest aoe was kinda already garbage. But maybe thats just m0 mobs dying way too fast

[flat river]

Thats most of the time for dot classes

Need mobs to last longer

[slate cobalt]

yeah but it didn't seem like they were doing too good in beta either

60% to 20% seems crazy

[dapper goblet]

thank GOD they buffed ret

[sour frigate]

[smoky vale]

xeospal

[sour frigate]

Not a single patch without ret buff

[flat river]

Because the close class discord

Whine enough and u get buffs

Same thing happened with fdk

[reef laurel]

lol

[daring jetty]

What embelishments are ppl crafting this week? Ppl go wrist and back?

[reef laurel]

it's more that ret got hit with their own hammer so it needed to be buffed tbh

[raw canyon]

Are we crafting two with 160 veteran or holding veteran

[smoky vale]

🐷

[flat river]

💀

[sudden tusk]

the mo and krill of warcraft

[dapper goblet]

tru

[sudden tusk]

you know ret pally has to be like top 5 spec if they havent said a damn thing and are still hiding sims

[sullen dove]

taking a page out of hunter's book

ret tcs are prolly the most insufferable dumbasses on the planet tho

babyrage lockdown server cuz wahhh we're a little bad wahh

also just advertising incorrect builds in shadowlands

w

[random shadow]

Is the move to craft a champ 2 hander then recraft when keys and mythic crests come out

[sullen dove]

it should prolly be fine to do that

[random shadow]

I already have my 2 emblishments on cloak and bracers

[raw canyon]

Okay so it is okay to craft with the veterans

too make two pieces?

[random shadow]

Already planed to craft myth with emblushment after m+ week

[raw canyon]

what do you do with remaining

[sullen dove]

would craft vets in slots if you still have adventurers youre stuck with as embells probably

unless you plan to like do some m0's tuesday before raid that now drop champ gear

aside from crafting the only other main use of vets is to save 20 champ crests upgrading gear you get 1/6 champ pieces in

which prolly will actually be a lot of slots including m0s now drop at that ilvl and 2 nightmare prey pieces

[random shadow]

Lots of gear dropping on tuseday excluding raids

[sullen dove]

but like you get a 246 champ item, upgrade veteran item in same slot to 250 for 20 vet crests, then the champ item goes to 250 for free (0 champ crests)

[random shadow]

Delve. Hunts and m0

Im exicred for actual content. Can't wait for keys tho

[dapper goblet]

i think its decent

idk about top 5

probably upper ish melee

[sudden tusk]

think i saw was around like 110ish when i snooped

so its like uhdk plus raid buff

[sullen dove]

it has a raid buff?

[sudden tusk]

devo aura

[sullen dove]

psh

piss baby buff

"i need to take less damage" ~translating~~translating~ "i am a baby and am fragile and scared"

[reef laurel]

[haughty quest]

I dont need my spark to craft like cloack + wrist right?

ah take blue ones

[proper cliff]

sup guys, im with a problem with the rotation, when i pop avatar i just spam rampage and thunder clap or i need to use some bloodbath in between?

[haughty quest]

in st or aoe?

[fading sky]

U can still get bbs of cant ya?

[proper cliff]

aoe

actualy botha

[dapper goblet]

meanwhile u goobers scream for 5% hp

[proper cliff]

in st i just spam the same rotation, idk if im doing wrong

[haughty quest]

thunder clap is spamable at 6+ targets according to guide

[sudden tusk]

never felt so scared til i played Enhance in M+

wet napkin spec

[proper cliff]

oh so thats why, i was testing in the 5 dummies and using bloobbath was doing more dmg then just tc and rampage

[haughty quest]

just check the wowhead guide

[sullen dove]

low pickrate talent

[dapper goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-happy-gif-208249144209857081

[torpid fossil]

Is the BiS list on WoWhead accurate? it has every tier piece as BiS

[gleaming juniper]

Is storm bolt actually part of our rotation now? lol

it pops up a few times on my sim

[hollow gate]

Iirc stormbolt is a super minor dps optimisation you can do during bladestorm but it's also not required at all

[gleaming juniper]

oh I see yeah its always during bladestorm that makes sense

[hollow gate]

Yeah it's castable during bladestorm so the sim string just tosses it out if it's talented

[sullen dove]

big + 2 dps

but ey if you wanna do it

[last lichen]

i do it to make my dps optimizer recap happy

[edgy widget]

na, I'm updating it tomorrow

[fiery edge]

[grand osprey]

did u guys take the crit/haste or mast/vers neck from Amani rep?

[surreal token]

mast/vers for me

[grand osprey]

What’s the logic?

[surreal token]

mastery

[hot shell]

Raidbots said so

[sullen dove]

mine said haste and haste is good and make you fast

but also yea just use robot yourself

[slim coral]

Stupid clankers

[median umbra]

haste maxing so I can press button fast

[rich minnow]

Hi, is it possible to combine Whirlwind and Thunderclap in a macro so that Whirlwind is triggered as soon as Thunderclap is on cooldown?

[random shadow]

whats the point of this tho

[rich minnow]

I hate having two buttons for the same action.

[dark elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-16258174987336597266

[slim coral]

Thunderclap replaces whirlwind

Just put thunderclap where your whirlwind is

[rich minnow]

Yes, I know. Sorry for the question. I don't need a lecture, I just wanted to know if it's possible.

[slim coral]

Im not lecturing you

[random shadow]

Maybe this a big brain tech we're just not aware of yet

[raw canyon]

So after all m0 and prey i am missing both weps, boots, 1 finger, chest, back and shoulders. Should i craft a wep with embelish? or just upgrade the adventure to max and make 2 pieces with veteran?

[slim coral]

I’m saying your macro is useless because you should not being using whirlwind and thunderclap

[slim coral]

You can def craft a weapon

Those crest are useless after this weeek

Just send it in all your lowest pieces

[raw canyon]

What stats am i focusing

[slim coral]

The best two stats are haste mastery generally

[raw canyon]

okay so all vet and adventurer can be spent they wont matter in a week

[random shadow]

Haste mastery ofc

[slim coral]

They won’t matter for most starting Tuesday

[rich minnow]

Yes, I know that, I understand all of that. This isn't about DPS optimization or any fancy tricks. I just wanted to know if it's somehow possible.

[slim coral]

I’m literally trying to help you

You don’t need a macro for thunderclap and ww because they replace each other depending on the hero talent you choose

[rich minnow]

I realize I'm overthinking things. Thank you for your help, Blaze.

[slim coral]

No problem bud

[late stratus]

whats the sims lookin like atm ?

hvnt kept up

[radiant plank]

like a 100k

[pastel bronze]

for slayer ST do we always hold bladestorm until reck?

[radiant plank]

yes, if reck has 40s or more cd remaining

[gleaming siren]

Also no you can't even if you wanted to

Not in a way that consistently works

[small tinsel]

I’ve been practicing my rotation on the 5 target dummies for mountain thane M+ talent,
Im managing to get about 120k dps over The course of about 1 minute 30 with 238 gear score

I was wondering what others are able to achieve as a way of me giving myself a baseline of if I’m doing things right

[keen moon]

Is tuning in already?

[proven stream]

yes

[rotund fiber]

i thought +10 % we get 17.

[proven stream]

oh not live

i thought he meant are the notes out

[golden steeple]

Just tested for like 3 mins maintained about 135k at 243ilvl

[small tinsel]

Ok yeah I’m doing something mad wrong then

[small tinsel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzqBhtFAreM

Immw atching this guy and hes showing you how to do the rotatiuon and only peaking like 100K dps

[high wagon]

heard there was something about checking the void crucible trinket with buffs for sims? anyone know more?

the different protocols

[dense elbow]

[small tinsel]

I take it that’s not normal then lol 😂

I really can’t tell

[dense elbow]

Fury aint exactly a peaker class

Dont worry tho, without even fact checking, bazed usually bazed

[median umbra]

"this guy" is in this channel. that's the joke

[rotund fiber]

how much arms warriors will be in raid to he world first race?

[dense elbow]

all of em

[rotund fiber]

Any bets?

😄

hope fury will be

[bleak harness]

1 fury max

and its a hard IF they dont take a prot instead

[crimson prairie]

arms warrior is the healer spec right?

[wet pendant]

does anyone know where I could find a min max spec for each individual boss in the raids based on slayer I assume ? or if thane should be played in any of the fights ? some bosses have more uptime on cleave, adds then others etc

[gaunt vale]

check logs when raid is live

[mystic echo]

checked updates but just to be safe wanted to ask: still worth prioritising crafting 1 weapon first before going Bracer and Cloak ?

[tired bane]

Been running a few test opener/ rotation on slayer mono.
236 Ilvl, 10% haste 31% mastery.
After 2 min i'm always in the 25-30k DPS range. Is that expected ?

No embellish, craft, ehcnat whatsoever

Yeah seems adequate with sim

[wet pendant]

i wanted something already prepared im sure some people have it figured it out already

[bronze nymph]

you can choose on the sim to also not use anything? for me its weird, it sims at 35k and my dummies testing is 29-30k

did they already put the buffs in the raidbots?

[junior stream]

Hi guys, im looking for an ADDON who shows items/spells id in game ?

[wet pendant]

did you guys choose full raid buffs for patchwork sim or not?

[bronze nymph]

i went in raw

no buffs no pots/etc

[forest ginkgo]

Why are u playing with opportunist in the hero talent?

[tired bane]

I used an import from one of the website

lemme check, thanks

[forest ginkgo]

Go on wowhead and take the singletarget dps talent build from there

[bronze nymph]

still, i refuse to believe it sims at 35k for me and im consistently 29-30k on a dummy

[hybrid willow]

I'm a turbo noob, am I free to use my adventurer and veteran crests to upgrade stuff or would it be stupid for whatever reason?

[bronze nymph]

unless the latest iteration on wowhead uses the buffs

[wet pendant]

u could craft with your veteran right now for slots that u have low ilvl on specially weapon otherwise yea u dont rly go that wrong. unless you haven't done your M0s

[hybrid willow]

yeah I've done my m0's already, thanks for the quick response

[tired bane]

Veteran 2H craft doesnt require 4 sparks ?

[wet pendant]

next week m0's will anyway drop champion gear so theres no need for veterans

[wet pendant]

veteran doesnt require sparks afaik

[forest ginkgo]

Also no clue why ur simming 35k

[tired bane]

thanks

[wet pendant]

u can craft the veteran weapon without sparks

[forest ginkgo]

U must be putting something in the wrong way

or 30k

[wet pendant]

it was without any raid buffs

[forest ginkgo]

Ah gotcha

[wet pendant]

this is raw no buffs for me too and i kinda do @ that on dummy maybe a bit lower @32

this is with raid buffs

[forest ginkgo]

Dont forget to include ur own battle shout

Since its ur own buff

[wet pendant]

ah the 3% is not added based on the talent build ?

[forest ginkgo]

This is for me without any buffs or flasks or anything

and i mean if u dont include battleshout in the sim, it assumes u dont have the buff

and then the talent probably doesnt work

[wet pendant]

ur a bit higher ilvl then me maybe better stat weight

[forest ginkgo]

Probably just luck tbh

With stat weight and stuff

CUz i havent optimized anything

Other than making the crafted items haste/mastery

[wet pendant]

ah and me i also have 2 blue weapons, the only thing i didn't see yet xD

[pearl sequoia]

spent crests?

[wet pendant]

me 0

[pearl sequoia]

BRICKED CHARACTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[tired bane]

How can i set "only battleshout" here

[wet pendant]

scroll down

[forest ginkgo]

Ye cuz if u have the talent and dont include it in the sim, thats removing 8% attack power

Which is gonna make ur sim seem smol

[tired bane]

Those tickboxes are locked

[forest ginkgo]

I think atleast

Hmmm, having it unticked only removes like 2k from my sim

weird

Nvm the maths kinda do check out

Also on the target dummy, it is a bit of rng even if u do ur rotation well. When i didnt get SD procced i was sitting at like 30k, when i get it procced im consistently at like 37k dps

[warm crag]

the number it displays on the sim is just an average of however many trials you can look at the full variance in the full report

but ngl you're kinda wasting your time here hitting a target dummy and trying to hit specific damage values

[forest ginkgo]

True and real

If anything its just a good way to get the rotation down

[dense elbow]

I am above the curve for once?

raidbuffs are hell'o'a'drug

[forest ginkgo]

Nice

[wild mural]

twinning

damn that ring set must be doing work for you Im like 7 ilvl higher than you

[dense elbow]

Just built different, I was made to Slayer

[tired bane]

Agreed
I was mainly working on the rota, first time warr here
Having an average expected result helps

[undone flower]

Noob

[golden steeple]

I assume just gear/stat diff + idk if the dps meter was reset shows like 12min when it started

[dense elbow]

https://giphy.com/gifs/9mc-smile-cat-sad-so-lGBecpB2dIMwt6ohfI

[rare garnet]

wait why are they a noob?

bad sims? how can i make them feel bad too

[undone flower]

Bc sim less than me so im cool and he is goober

[rare garnet]

fuck yeah, what a noob simming less than you

[undone flower]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-tongue-out-flight-flight-reacts-cat-tongue-gif-5336416477717479720

[bleak harness]

i sim even lower than that Rip

[rare garnet]

wait what do you sim

happy

maybe you're a noob too

[undone flower]

56k

[rare garnet]

what a noob

crazy to attack your own kind

[undone flower]

There is always a bigger fish

[rare garnet]

class warefare is crazy, we're fighting each other about how much better we are, im 55, im 56, im 57, look how dogshit that 54 is, meanwhile people dropping 80k sims

[undone flower]

https://tenor.com/view/twerk-cat-dae-cat-gif-24200690

Yeah losers ahah less than my thane sim

[undone flower]

That dude crafted or spent vet crests

[rare garnet]

i think sapling of the dawnroot might be way too juiced in sims, i logged my dungeon last night and it did fuck all

it didn't lash shit bro

[dense elbow]

Sims =/= practical ingame results, players confused and madge!

More fresh news at 8!

[rare garnet]

XD