fury

[lofty lotus]

i wont be pushing high keys anyway

[brittle crow]

slayer was worse in aoe than thane... now its worser?

[lofty lotus]

so ill be playing slayer anyway

[edgy widget]

DKs are just being whiny, they're still more than fine

[brittle crow]

are they just trying to force a st/mt split between the talent trees

[edgy widget]

and anyone who didn't think Unholy was egregiously OP is lying to themselves

[edgy widget]

idk, but honestly I'd be ok with it; at least it would make balance a lot easier

[vague stump]

yeah my sims yday unholy was simming over 30% better than my fury so I guess unholy will still be high A tier pick for both M+ and raid

[brittle crow]

part of me says they should be as close to equal in all content as possible
other part of me knows thats not happening

so maybe the split is good

[vague stump]

although my thoughts are most of them will play frost now as iirc frost was only simming around 40k less dmg so maybe now frost takes over idk

[supple ocean]

i wish they gutted UDK even more

[summer quail]

"only" 40k less

lmaooo

[midnight dagger]

Yeah sucks cause I'm in limbo cause I'm waiting to see if UH is still the play for my raid team. Looks to be the case, but just need final numbers.

[lofty lotus]

LOOL

petko nerfed then /s

[supple ocean]

udk was simming around 150k they will still be simming higher than most of the dps lol

[lofty lotus]

listen

[supple ocean]

spriest was simming 70k on single target and they still nerfed it

[lofty lotus]

my 190ilvl udk is simming higher than my fury 239ilvl

😄

[supple ocean]

i mean thats normal tho udk has uncapped aoe

[lofty lotus]

in dungeons ofc its nothing like that

[supple ocean]

you will not be doing more damage in practice

yea

[lament lagoon]

guys how i make money

[brittle crow]

work job

[lament lagoon]

lots of monies

[brittle crow]

buy token

[lament lagoon]

aw

[brittle crow]

OR

gamble

thats what i did

[lofty lotus]

its much faster to get an irl job ngl

[lament lagoon]

HMMMM

[lofty lotus]

ingame jobs are not worth it ;d

[lament lagoon]

gambling sounds fun

[lofty lotus]

if u live in a normal country*

[brittle crow]

i had 30k gold last patch of shadowlands

i had 1 mil in tww s2

i have 300k now

[lament lagoon]

i also have 300k

[brittle crow]

ive spent nothing except on gambling

i lost 700k to gambling

[lofty lotus]

im around 300k as well

but seeing how expensive enchats and gems are

[fallen glacier]

skill issue, get better at gambling

[lament lagoon]

300k lft from selling a mythic boe in tww for 1.2m

richest ive been

[lofty lotus]

i wont be able to enchant a single character with 300k

[brittle crow]

just get ur guilds enchanters to do it for free under threats of frame mogging

[lament lagoon]

how aboout some good ol mining

[brittle crow]

u would make more by mining irl

and buying token

[lofty lotus]

i do mining when doing world content

mining and herb

ive mined and gathered stuff for around 10k gold

since then start of midnight ;ld

[lament lagoon]

kek

[lofty lotus]

unless u do it for a really long time its not worth it for gold making

[lament lagoon]

enough for 1 hour of raiding repairs

hell yea

[clever iron]

so what we willl play in raid single targets fury other wise thane right?

[brittle crow]

ur guild doesnt pay for ur repairs?

bum ass guild

[lament lagoon]

huge bum guild

[brittle crow]

u need workers rights

[lament lagoon]

alsoo i joined a random one since mine from tww disbanded

[brittle crow]

if u want me to raid for u u best pay my damn repair bill

[lament lagoon]

bot guild

[wild plank]

Can blizz show us on the doll where piercing howl hurt them

[chilly rover]

is fury st good now?

[sullen dove]

gear an alt and do raid boosts

(also requires being slightly good)

[lament lagoon]

im kinda of a big deal pal

the time though

[sullen dove]

wot

[lament lagoon]

how about enchanting

[lofty lotus]

are the changes live or after s1

[lament lagoon]

good ol enchanting

[sullen dove]

idk i mean yea sure professions probably good if you get up to it

[hallow sphinx]

😔

[smoky nacelle]

Praise the Lord baby Jesus 10% damage increase boys

[nocturne bluff]

Okay, who is doing 40k+ on dummy?

this is the highest i've been able to go

ilvl 243

Fury slayer

[timid fractal]

pot flask?

[nocturne bluff]

pot flask

[smoky nacelle]

Rend would add 5%

[nocturne bluff]

no pot

just flask

and haste food

~38.5k

sustained

[lofty lotus]

thats pretty good no?

[nocturne bluff]

to rephrase: Only consumables used are flask and haste food.

[nocturne bluff]

I don't know lol

i have no idea what the benchmark is

[lofty lotus]

i dont have any pots or flasks but id give it a try

single target dummy?

[nocturne bluff]

yeah

[lofty lotus]

time?

[nocturne bluff]

sec logging in to check

7 minutes

[lofty lotus]

fuck that

[nocturne bluff]

but it was pretty much the same sustained after 2

[lofty lotus]

best u get is 3

[nocturne bluff]

yeah it was the same

throughout

[sullen dove]

idk prolly fine

simmed like 48k prebuff with all raid buffs

[lofty lotus]

where is that target dummy

[sullen dove]

those prolly add like 10-15k

[lofty lotus]

not in silvermoon

[nocturne bluff]

sim with optimal raid buffs

[lofty lotus]

50k single wtf

i get that on dungeon slice

but ive turned off all foods and buffs

[nocturne bluff]

yeah, this is optimal. doing just the 2 i used on dummy

now

[sullen dove]

yea i mean 243 assumes some vet crests spent which most ppl havent done much yet

but also there is a like "dummy" target setting on sim if you want

i think strips all raid buffs

[timid fractal]

yer i sim 30k on dummy sim

and get 30k on dummies

but im not as juiced

[nocturne bluff]

haste / crit a bit higher

still gotta replace a couple pieces with vers

[oak crest]

so in aoe RN do we not use raging blow at all?

[nocturne bluff]

sim with just the consumes i used. It was patchwerk tho cuz i dont know how to do dummy sim with battleshout. its greyed out

[lofty lotus]

i was running my open world talents

[lofty lotus]

damn secondary give that much dmg?

ive tried to focus on mastery/haste but its not up to me what i get in loot 😄

@nocturne bluff with default options

i wanna try again with my ST build but the target dummy is at 0% ofc

[summer quail]

sim latest incase

[lofty lotus]

what does that mean?

[summer quail]

changing this to latest means the sim is more likely to be updated. very very small risk of errors tho

[lofty lotus]

same stuff

48,101

[brave thorn]

does details not account for primal spore correctly, or is it just bad? 0.3% for an embileshment is kinda weak no?

[heavy galleon]

Why they fucking increased many spell of many class and nerf our reap proc by 10% for us ???????

[lofty lotus]

oh cus fuck us

[supple ocean]

i mean they also buffed our overall damage, should be a net positive sstill no?

[lofty lotus]

if u want fun. no

[heavy galleon]

It's look like slayer was too strong...

[lofty lotus]

it wasent

[molten wing]

do a sim with it and compare the overall dmg it does in the sim compared to the training dummy

[supple ocean]

slayer wasnt too strong but blizz is very adamant on keeping that spec ST raid only lol

[heavy galleon]

Slayer was already behind Thane but non, they should nerf

[molten wing]

but tbh details now takes stuff from the ingame damage meter so it should be right

[heavy galleon]

I don't want playing this boring Thane

[supple ocean]

can someone teach me how to sim races pls, ive seen screenshots of pandaren being on top but i dont want that to be true lol

though food buffs this tear seems to be strong

[floral bay]

we should be pretty competitive in raid with these 10% now no?

[sullen dove]

chadge

[brave thorn]

Sims more than double, its still bad tho for an emblishment

[wild plank]

is that the embe that sims the best rn?

[heavy galleon]

So now on many % between Thane and slayer in M+ ?

[steel shard]

prob just mid tier

everyone got buffs other than unh dk lol

[native wadi]

Piercing howl

6yd

Are they joking? 😂

6yd is mele range

[wild plank]

it's genuinely baffling

and +30 sec to the cd

[vague stump]

I think looking at embelishs the banding stat one seems like the best no?

[burnt ember]

Slayer max ST 102k. Thane 99k. Not big. Sorry was not m+

[native wadi]

It says it doesnt align with similar effects

If i checj similar effect

Yeah 90s makes sense

But then give us more speed and range??????????????

Like what the fuck

[sour frigate]

its 1m with talent

[native wadi]

Roar its 1m?

[native wadi]

I really dont get why they just want warr to be bad at everything 😂

The 30s cd at least was good for goong pull to pull

Even if the sprint was bad af

Was already useless for raid

Bcs sham or dud has better

[edgy widget]

Need some assistance. Kinda lost on what I should be prioritizing to max out this dps window. During my opening burst as thane, when I have a thunder clap charge (at 1) + Rampage available + Burst of Power BT proc. What should I be pressing? This is assuming I'm in a m+, pulled a mob, and already have some whirlwind stacks.

[honest trail]

Mostly Depends on target counts

[edgy widget]

Let's assume 5 in this scenario

[honest trail]

Clap on cd above 6 targets

Else Bloodbath

Always Rampage at 100

During Reck

Never overcap

So like

At 6+

[edgy widget]

Ok that makes sense

[honest trail]

Is something like Rampage-clap-bloodbath-clap-rampage

Kind of

At lower counter clap is under Bloodbath so you can lose some of em

And add Exec

Either under 35% hp or on SD

[edgy widget]

Where does that take priority?

[honest trail]

At 6+ targets clap and blasts have the same prio just press on cd

Which is every 2 gcd

During Avatar

[honest trail]

Exec should be like over BB and BT at 5 and under but check guides to be sure

Exec rage gen is just too good

[brittle crow]

nop

BB and BT > execute

always

[honest trail]

Y fair am on phone so didn't check

Idd we have VC

Sims do use SD almost on proc even at high target counts tho

The rage gen is big

[edgy widget]

What talent is telling me to rampage at 100?

[honest trail]

More rampage

[honest trail]

Anger Management

Class.tree

[edgy widget]

ah ok

[left pasture]

Hello team, do you have a build or recommend playing Raging Blow instead of Bloodbath?

[edgy widget]

I see it

[smoky vale]

no

[honest trail]

Doesn't exist

RB is dead

[left pasture]

Sure ?

[honest trail]

In the gutter for now

Yes

It's under Whirlwind in aoe

Under Throw and Rend in ST

in value

[left pasture]

Even with the changes?

[honest trail]

Changes are flat dmg

So prio doesn't change

Everything got +10%

[left pasture]

Alright, thanks !

[lament lagoon]

Finesse is the one that hlps u get More of the ore right

[burnt crow]

yes

[lament lagoon]

kthx

[native wadi]

This is real?

😂

[honest trail]

Yes

[upper mica]

RB is filler... at best now 🙁

[honest trail]

I hoped for the tuning to bring it up a little by 5% compared to the rest

So it's a strong enough filler

While being a decent generator

Throw does dmg sure but it should be a niche use only

For range/shield

And Rend should not exist, oh well

[nocturne bluff]

102k?? Like during a burst window or…

Even then that’s wild

[heavy galleon]

They killed slayer m+ so strong

Boring game design

[upper mica]

M+ is strictly thane now isnt it? And we only slayer for raid but both ST and MT?

[nocturne bluff]

It was bandaid patch IMO

Both fury and arms need some mechanical reworks

Not just number padding

I’m just shocked that Arcane got a slap on the wrist

Hell, I’d say it even got a minor PVE buff

Minus a little cleave

[native wadi]

Yeah warr is being neglected hard

[heavy galleon]

Blizzard can do 6 more expansion they are still very bad at balance and class design

[lapis rose]

guys can i ask how i should sim, how my dps ladder should looking after dungeon, like here?

[fervent turtle]

insane thing to say considering wow has been carried by class design and combat for over a decade

[dense elbow]

The balance part they been quite good at, for the content they aim to balance things for not even a joke, classes usually stay real close during the raid tier

[heavy galleon]

Carried by class design ??? You kiddin

It's mainly carried by nostalgia for 20 years of content that people don't want to lose.

But when you have to rework 5 times your shadow priest or even your mage, you can't tell it's carried by class design.
Players love change probably because it's seems "fresh"

[ivory topaz]

do we keep our loot specs in arms still?

[normal pewter]

will they fix Rampaging Ruin 🙁

[bitter palm]

u can set it as fury

[dense elbow]

What is there to fix? Divine storm for Fury is just lazy and, for anyone that likes Fury over ret, bad design

[heavy galleon]

You still can loot 1h on fury spec loot ?

[dense elbow]

Nop, that should be gone

[bitter palm]

i didnt test it myself but now that we can transmog 2hs to 1hs it makes no sense for you to be able to loot 1hs

[heavy galleon]

Take no risk, put arms spec loot 🤣

[ivory topaz]

thats what im worried about HAHA looting 1h's feel bad

[dense elbow]

I am gonna use arms spec either way tho, cause I dont trust bug free experiences

[ivory topaz]

but could use it for prot

[heavy galleon]

Haha

Same here

[frank crystal]

We looking good right now? After the buff

[fiery edge]

no

[dense elbow]

Looking like high mid

[pallid brook]

Its looking ok

Not the worst but not best init

[fiery edge]

a lil better than mid

[atomic jungle]

Mid+

[frank crystal]

Feels good imo

[pallid brook]

Screw fis

Im goin ret

[fiery edge]

imma keep dooming til they revert the SD change

[tawny helm]

So what talents/apex talents Will we be using for raid? Thane or slayer, cuz in raid there is barely any ST encounter?

[atomic jungle]

They really don’t like reap huh

[bitter palm]

thats coming in .5

which is like 2 months from now

[pallid brook]

Ud still wana go slayer probably

[atomic jungle]

Divine storm go braaap ig

[pallid brook]

Its either play the love child or keep popping ignore pain at this point

[atomic jungle]

They gotta make a hero class to go with the expansion fantasy. We got adhd void chads and now we need the light thads

[fiery edge]

slayer tree needs a rework

[dense elbow]

Nah, cause they gonna remove 75% of Reap dam, to move those 10-15% of your overall into BS, turning BS from 10% to 20-25%

Big spin

[fiery edge]

but the cdr on BS

[dense elbow]

Dont need CDR, when it just hits 100-150% harder

[fiery edge]

[atomic jungle]

Why did they put BS on the same node as Avatar tho, I took a big break at the end of TWW and still don’t understand the logic here

[warped bone]

Truly one can hope for some PTR changes left part of tree feels weak as slayer fo sho if BT can't proc reap surely we use BT even less?

[fiery edge]

is this hopium?

[warped bone]

Blizz hates fun

[rotund fiber]

should we close discord after this news?

[fiery edge]

arms is in the grave yard

[lament lagoon]

did they fix tht knowlege ppoint bug

[frank crystal]

Any idea how much we sim ? Can’t find any fury ones

[drowsy heron]

I think I saw an estimate of 102k

[honest trail]

Well we were at 93k ish

Add 10%

Makes 102k ish

No real need to sim that

[frank crystal]

Still low I guess

[honest trail]

Upper mid tier

Which is usually the best

To avoid nerfs

While being relevant

& then again, tuning is kinda whatever

[frank crystal]

Dk’s got hammered

[reef summit]

with next tuning you think Thane > Slayer in sigle target ?

[bleak harness]

102k with 30% reap chance , going to 20% will drop it a bit , maybe 98-100k ish

[honest trail]

BT Reap is not the main source for it tho

SD is

[bleak harness]

No , still slayer up a bit

[radiant plank]

dk still simming 110k

Ret gonna be simming like 120k now tho

[bleak harness]

Lucky for us , there are many adds in raid si we might see play

[limpid hound]

it would prob be closer to 68k btw

[bleak harness]

Idk what sims say, was taken from someone

[limpid hound]

well im just counting the proc not like imminent demise but just math its 102k * 20/30 = 68k

[radiant plank]

what the math

[bleak harness]

I m not a math guy / but i m sure thats not how math works

[limpid hound]

why would it not be? if its has a 30% proc rate and during your measurement time it triggered 102k dmg on average (again not counting imminent demise) then for 1% it would be 102k/30 but its not 1% its 20 so its 102k/30 * 20

[radiant plank]

102k is Fury dps

[limpid hound]

OOOJ

mbmb

[radiant plank]

reps from bt are around 4% of that

reaps*

[limpid hound]

i assumed he was just at the dummy for like 100 years and got 102k from reap only

[summer quail]

i mean you get reap from sd as well(for now 🥹)

[radiant plank]

the real dam from reaps is is aeound 4000

[timber star]

102k after the buffs?

[bleak harness]

Nono , total dps , as a sim did, so removing the 100% proc from sd , and reducing proc from bt reap 30 to 20 , should drop 3-4 k maybe ? Too hard to do this math

[limpid hound]

we can get to the bottom of this. if the sim is prebuff then you take your reap dmg reduce it by a factor of 0.666 or 2/3 and then take the whole dmg and multiply it by a factor of 1.1 and you get your post buff stats

but thats just for this buff not for the 0.5 bs

i refuse to accept its real until they patch it in

[summer quail]

you do know sd procs reap as well? you can't just reduce all reap procs and get an accurate number

[limpid hound]

yhe ofc but thats so much harder to factor in bc you have to consider the sd procs

im not here trying to run a sim on a calculator just a rough idea

[radiant plank]

you know sims show exact amount of reaps from bt specifically

which is the 4%

[native wadi]

So we ll end up ~99K?

By my most probably wrong calculation

So basically last except for assa and sp?

[summer quail]

i would assume new sims take this into account and that 103k is the number?

[subtle lagoon]

Did paladins shut down their discord again or something?

[somber totem]

+10% damages for Furry Warrior Daaaaaamn we need it so much

[gloomy narwhal]

106k

[summer quail]

in other words we are bingchilling

[native wadi]

No

If we were 92-93

And we got like an 8% buff

Where the fuck u get that from xD

https://tenor.com/view/made-up-making-things-up-misinformation-spreading-misinformation-lying-gif-5615616319157116451

[sly pasture]

In raid for any ad fights do we always switch to Thane?

[bleak harness]

Not really , depends if we always cleave or burst windows , in void spire most likely will play slayer for most of them

[sly pasture]

because burst windows benefit from spinning round really fast?

[bleak harness]

If the adds die quick , slayer pulls ahead of thane

Since slayer st is also better than thane

[manic kite]

Ok boys, how does it look like? How good will this 15% buff make us? Will we be better than unholy?

[sly pasture]

I haven't seen any of the fights but reading the journal Lightbinded Vanguard looks like a council fight so potentially Thane for that?

[gleaming siren]

@warm crag please tell me the numbers

Quick

[bleak harness]

10% for furry and No

[gleaming siren]

When is the Fury nerf coming

[bleak harness]

.05 arround 2 months?

[manic kite]

Will be arms better than fury or is buff not enough?

[sly pasture]

arms won't be better than anything

[bleak harness]

Better than prot probably 😂

[smoky wraith]

Better than holy pala

[manic kite]

Ah so still coffin meme. Gotcha. Any bets what gonna be new flavour of the month after this tuning?

[summer quail]

no chance in hell

[native wadi]

We need another 5%, RB buff and sort talents so we can grab defensive in all situations

Or atleast the improved def stance

And thats to not be meme

We would still be behind but at least competitive

[bleak harness]

I kinda liked the ideea of early pre season rb build , but they dropped it 2 weeks after sadly

[storm lantern]

We're in a favorable position, Mid+ , it's a good spot to get more buffs

[bleak harness]

Were we ever given a buff when we were mid , I don’t think so

[untold yacht]

Are these buffs coming this Wednesday

10% dkg

[wicked eagle]

I went to sleep during the meltdown, will slayer still be go to for raid or unsure yet?

[native wadi]

Not competitive

[bleak harness]

U will want one in raid

[gleaming juniper]

Hey, is it okay to Rampage back to back now? I know we weren't supposed to in the past, but now with the Midnight changes it seems to come up during fights sometimes where it seems like it'd be the best thing to press

[vague stump]

I mean nealy all the fights look kinda cleve heavy so maybe we will be good

should be one for sure but not 2 or 3

[gleaming juniper]

arms got 15% we got 10%

[bleak harness]

U wont be close to top

Sorry , maybe top mid

[edgy widget]

if adds live long, play Thane
if adds die quick, play Slayer
if no adds, play Slayer

I also promise you, that if yall just stay patient and watch #updates-midnight, you will learn everything you need to know before you need to know it

[slate light]

but i need to know it now, otherwise how will i type dooming messages into streamrs chat?

should i just make stuff up?

[bleak harness]

Thanks for the hard work man , 🫡

[sullen token]

Thanks for all your hard work bro @edgy widget

I follow your guides always

[edgy widget]

thanks, I'm rewriting them as we speak

[modern ingot]

To even think that im paying Blizz monthly for these balance changes is nuts, and i still do it.

[native wadi]

Big archim

We want some hot takes on warrior status

Give us somthing

[edgy widget]

12.0.5 lookin real shit

[steep rose]

[slate light]

is it really that hot of a take?

[wicked eagle]

Nah bro I trust, just want advanced warning if I have to play thane 🤮

[native wadi]

12.0.5 look like reroll

Cant play that pile of shit

Ww ww ww

[edgy widget]

you are absolutely going to play thane in Mythic+
you will probably wanna play it for at least a few fights in raid

unless you just don't want to play Thane, in which case do what you want, I'm not your dad

[oblique pond]

Pretty sure you are our dad

[vague stump]

just ran some sims and looks like thane on 3+ and slayer on 1/2 is that right?

[kind bolt]

Is this really how it is gonna go based on current tuning?

[bleak harness]

From the early 12.0.5 tunning , seems so 😂

[warped bone]

One can pray PTR changes more before release xD

[clever path]

Its ok dps? Single target

fight 1:12

[gusty sleet]

[edgy widget]

sure, why not

[digital ore]

Don't need sims to tell you that

[sand thistle]

I hope that the diff (with the upcoming changes) isn't that big between slayer and thane, i really like slayer playstyle and it will still do better ST in M+ build right?

[gaunt vale]

slayer in m+ is trolling

[radiant plank]

nuh-uh

[bleak harness]

Will do better st , but less aoe // less overall , also thane is tankier

[chilly zodiac]

same, im not a big thane fan

[cold sparrow]

Hey guys, looking for a

• Multi opening + rotation (thane)
• Mono opening + rotation (slayer)
  Any clue ? 🙂

[slow sedge]

is RR hated as Thane just because of the ST cancel aura or am i missing smthg ? just finished the world tour and the damage is just so much better with it

[buoyant geode]

so we have a sim with full stuff ?

[dense drum]

15% for reap the storm proc on whirlwind on ptr, seams like it will proc way less. on dummies reap is way lower on damage breakdown. Does that make thane by far the best or?

[delicate crown]

What is the priority for generators

Execute > Raging Blow > Bloodthirst?

[digital mauve]

really?

[cerulean grail]

y

[digital mauve]

fuck this ima be trolling then

[gaunt vale]

it’s your game, but thane is just objectively better

[vital idol]

Thane feels like a clunky system when slayer feels a lot more fluid, too bad slayer is down bad cause its genuinely a better spec to play imo

[gaunt vale]

i personally find slayer more fun too, but that’s just how it is

[south kayak]

Raging Blow is very low on the priority list

[alpine kiln]

Me when I have to hit Raging blow

[thorny basin]

feel bad feel like you just updated them like a day or two ago

[mossy fox]

this is why i have this channel in my discord

[late stratus]

type shit

[hushed ocean]

I feel like the exact opposite. Slayer feels clunky in dungeon. Due to rend i think. It’s so sad rend isn’t off gcd

[clever path]

I will remember that

[vital idol]

luckily with the 12.0.5 improved WW will add rend to targets if known 🙂

but I think its just dead in the water still, from a M+ perspective, obviously we dont have max stats and gear yet so its all objective

[crisp nest]

we paly this for m+ ?

[vital idol]

off first glance it looks right

[gaunt vale]

i really want to get enraged regen back somehow but it doesn’t seem possible with the current tree

[vital idol]

I think thane just has naturally more survivability than slayer does also if you d stance swap you should be chillin

[fast mural]

you want enrage regen for m+

your gonna die to some overtuned thing week one

[grand stirrup]

Hello guys! Where (if anywhere) can I find sims post tuning? Thank you 🙏

[fading sky]

Doubt it

Dungeons where pretty well tuned during beta

[coarse nest]

Lmao 🔥

[lofty delta]

didn't even hyperlink it

[pastel bronze]

Has someone run the numbers are we thane st now?

[heavy galleon]

Why Blizzard hates Slayer ? It's the funiest spec

[rare garnet]

how do they hate slayer?

[pastel bronze]

Reap the storm keeps getting shot I guess

If you call that hateq

[rare garnet]

its unfortunate but they just dont see slayer as a top end aoe spec, what can you do, at least its better than how abandoned herald ret was

[pastel bronze]

Was?

[rare garnet]

it was, but it still is, but it was

[pastel bronze]

It was but it is

So far, we thane st now?

[bold forge]

What should be the expected damage loss from playing slayer in m+

[pastel bronze]

Between 0-100%

[rare garnet]

depends on how big your tank pulls

[undone flower]

Here if you really want

[heavy galleon]

Thane and slayer was balanced why did they changed it

[zinc kraken]

Thank you 🙏

[thorn osprey]

is there any updated guide?

[digital mauve]

If my goal is to get a lfr full set; If I run the raid on mythic and get pieces from it, I will automatically get the same piece in heroic/normal/lfr palette color?

[novel oasis]

Thane got buffed if anything . Slayer adjusted slight buff

[blissful pine]

You should always sim yourself.
Now that that's out of the way.

Here's two pictures from the guide that are contradicting each other.

Cheat sheet says gear mastery. Stat page says Haste.

[rare garnet]

stat prios and gear lists should be replaced with a link to raidbots but wowhead is living in 2003

[blissful pine]

I don't disagree. For the sake of consistency I bring it up though.

[undone flower]

wowhead is in 2026 so they will still make few things for clicks

[rare garnet]

like when wowhead and icy veins are written by the same person but the opener is off by 1 different ability and it drives people to click between the two then come to discords then click between the two

not that that is the current case but ive seen it

[undone flower]

More like ppl typing spec bis list on google, wowhead pop first

[proper veldt]

so are we not playing thane in raid?

[rare garnet]

who knows what we're playing yet

after these huge buffs we might just be playing arms

[coarse nest]

Yeah we not playing arms bro

They balanced that with a crayon in each nostril

[rare garnet]

probably the funniest part of the whole notes

[surreal token]

LMFAOOO

[dense elbow]

You lmao, but have you looked at the dps meters ppl link for arms?

[icy whale]

10% damage increase on wednesday?

[dense elbow]

I will do more dam than I did the week before

Leeets gooooo

Ye, it is pretty meh, but meh

At least they didnt push the SD reap removal early

[rare garnet]

can we talk about why the fuck all these target dummies are so close together

[tired bane]

thanks

was wondering the same thing

[icy whale]

true

[frank dawn]

the target dummy decor needs to work so you can setup your own training dummy setups

[rare garnet]

easiest way to keep me at my house

[tired bane]

did not yet complete the housing starting quest yet

but a personnal training dummy

mama

[dense elbow]

You missing out, housing is kinda neat content in between dung ques

[rare garnet]

FF could do it. I’m sorta embarrassed for blizzard

[coarse nest]

Does the target dummy decor not function like the ones in the city?

[steel horizon]

how much sense does it make to already craft cloak and wrists as embellishments?

[undone flower]

For what content are you crafting these ?

[steel horizon]

raid and m+

[undone flower]

Do you plan on getting better gear than that before your raid at 8pm Tuesday ?

[steel horizon]

well not rly, only if i randomly get a better piece on wednesday

[undone flower]

Yeah so basically what you have now will be what you will be raiding with, it’s fine then

[steel horizon]

aight

[undone flower]

In my opinion

[steel horizon]

was mainly curious if best embellishments might change

[undone flower]

If someone think it’s wrong, if you take your day off and do a world tour Tuesday before raid maybe don’t craft before that

[undone flower]

It can but it will be in next patch note so not next week

[steel horizon]

got it

[undone flower]

And you are taking about crafting without sparks right ?

For the embellishs

[steel horizon]

was thinking of going with sparks, but maybe its smarter to wait till first balance patch and mythic crests

[next marlin]

can you craft epic stuff without sparks ? i'd wanted to craft a 2h sword but you need sparks to do it

[stoic kindle]

the blue version with veteran crests is 246

[wind crystal]

I would craft two veteran pieces replacing any pieces of loot you werent able to get ideal stats on and craft the weapon

[lofty delta]

if you mean housing, no; nothing in housing is functional besides furniture

[queen widget]

whats peoples ilvl and simd dps ST Anyway ready for raids 244ilvl - 56,007 whats Normal raid baseline ilvl needed

[radiant plank]

240

[rare garnet]

man, its still wild they drag out no content on release so long, i just wanna play the game bro

[fringe arch]

Is fury doing good now? Sad what happened to unholy since I was going to main that, but warriors always been my go to.

[lavish sierra]

Uh and Ret are apparently tied

[spare steppe]

UH is still going to be very good

Fury is in a good spot, but I think there’s a ton of fair dooming because of the 12.0.5 patch

[digital mauve]

What's the fastest way to do 70-80 rn?

[spare steppe]

Good being, it’s not arms

[rare garnet]

unholy still insane tho

if you want OP meta this isn't the place fr fr

[wise canyon]

The Average meta chaser VS One Class Veteran debate always ends the same way

OCV typically wins unless its arms, then cooked

[rare garnet]

if you like arms just do keys with a warlock and have your tank pull big, their aoe seems kinda okay and then hearth and summon back as fury for bosses XD

missing that 1m tavern spell now kek

[fringe arch]

Im not looking for meta, my favorite classes are dk and warrior

occasionally warlock

[rare garnet]

dk still looks to be well above warrior, and you were wanting to play dk, but now you're upset its cooked, i cant

[next marlin]

if you like the new dk (i can't play it anymore, it's so slow) go for it you have some good utilities, personaly it's really good to come back to fury, it's fast and enjoyable

[worthy tundra]

Who said he was upset 😂

[rare garnet]

sad, upset, semantics

[fringe arch]

I was just asking, cause warrior has always been my main. Just wanted to check how it was doing

[spare steppe]

It’s mid but still fun for now 🙂

[next marlin]

one of the best gameplay of all the games, we have more spell than a lot of classes because each classes play braindead with 2 buttons (we normaly were the braindead warrior boom boom)

[fringe arch]

I havent really played since dragonflight, so I wasnt sure

[spare steppe]

It feels good to play

[fringe arch]

But what I remember was people were shitty for groups if you were top dps specs

if you werent

[grim prism]

fury seems good now, avoid arms

[rare garnet]

ignore who? i think auto correct cut off your sentence im not sure what arms is, ive checked the archives and there isn't anything there

[grim prism]

sorry lag

[next marlin]

warrior only got 2 spec since vanilla bro

[spare steppe]

Classic it has 1 spec

[fringe arch]

How does furys rotation feel compared to dragonflight?

[pure breach]

What you recommend to craft in first weeks when raid drops?

[spare steppe]

Probably a weapon since the first mythic weapon is off of the 5th boss

[pure breach]

So its better like buy the mats rn otherwise the prices will go higher next week ?

[rare garnet]

how can you enable 2p and 4p on advanced sim?

im old and forgetful

[spare steppe]

they may go higher they may also be lower since people are hoarding

[fiery gyro]

Raidbots site says to check class discord if our class/specs are updated to have accurate sims. Where can I check that in this discord? Or can anyone confirm if arms and fury are currently supported?

[feral ivy]

no fun alowed

[spare steppe]

#fury message

[glossy heart]

Weapon enchant Q: Silvermoon's
Alacrity or Berserkers Rage

[rare garnet]

i would sim it, its gonna change depending on your gear, right now mine really love acuity of the ren'dorei

[glossy heart]

Cool cool. Thanks!

[chilly sapphire]

What did they do to howl?

[shut pivot]

it went from 30s cd to 1.5 m

[chilly sapphire]

Gg

[echo rapids]

The speed buff radius got smaller too

It’s no stampeding roar

[south chasm]

how is fwar looking atm?

[shut pivot]

for now its still ok

[south chasm]

😢

[frigid basin]

are there Tier Set values anywhere for all Classes ?

[rare garnet]

raid needs warrior buff, my tanks dont play warrior, so, warrior looking like its a spec in the game im playing 😛

[chilly sapphire]

They’ve readily peeled down all the new toys alpha/ beta supposedly gave us.

[undone flower]

Top 40 easily

[rare garnet]

i was watching a tier list and they were saying fury was in the bottom 40 so im not sure happy

[valid pulsar]

Can anyone explain why the guide recommends mastery or haste weapon enchant but the sim is showing main stat as way stronger. Regardless of current gear shouldnt main stat always be stronger?

[floral vault]

hopefully not and neither in M+, Slayer is way more fun to play

[echo rapids]

This is me too. Other fury warrior rerolled mage and we don’t have prot warriors

[oblique thistle]

After .5 changes, we will be playing thane in everything

and we are playing thane in M+ as of right now

[valid pulsar]

You can play what you want

Slayer is doing fine right now in m+ as well thane is theoretically better but

[oblique thistle]

Well they just nerfed reap the storm proc chance

[rare garnet]

impossible to judge what other changes they're cooking

[oblique thistle]

so slayer is more behind thane than it already was

[valid pulsar]

And buffed overall by 10%

[oblique thistle]

ok

[valid pulsar]

And its just bt

[oblique thistle]

that applies to bothj lol

[valid pulsar]

sd still proccs reap 100%

[rare garnet]

i believe they'll do great, they just need data, the data will fix it they can make informed decisions with more data guys just keep grinding and logging keys and logging raids and get some data go into LFR go into Normal every week and give some data

[floral vault]

yeah ik. i think if im forced to play thane in raid ill just reroll first time since BFA. Thane is incredibly slow, not matching the class fantasy at all imo

[oblique thistle]

after the changes they listed in the .5 patch it does not inspire confidence

I will say they listened

to the people in here saying move reap damage into bladestorm

[valid pulsar]

Yeah their own vision of slayer does not align with what we want i think

[oblique thistle]

Correct

[rare garnet]

need to add a 5s CD to whirlwind

[oblique thistle]

It never has

and they shit all over slayer's rotation just to prove that point

[valid pulsar]

Classic blizzard

But the .5 patch is still so far away there is still hope so

[oblique thistle]

people are always saying slayer should be a burst spec, bladestorm top damage, odyns fury should slam

brains stuck in nerubar and never wanting to leave

blizzard wants a flat damage profile

I dont care what it is, I just dont want season 2 fury tuning ever again

as long as our damage is solid enough I'm cool with whatever

[valid pulsar]

What i dont like about thane is the fact that buttons that glow are not top prio

[rare garnet]

the people that called for OF to be a thing again are my sworn enemy

[valid pulsar]

I hate that shit

[oblique thistle]

I mean its not that bad

[valid pulsar]

You have to ignore tb procs and sd procs on thane

For higher prio spells

[oblique thistle]

you dont have to ignore tb procs

just press tb it does good dam

[valid pulsar]

outside of avatar its kinda low pn the prio list

[rare garnet]

thats why i vibe coded an addon that turns off all the glows on the action bars and use those instead of the CDM

all the glows are useless

oh cool my BS is glowing and i have 30s left on its CD

fucking stupid

[lofty lotus]

yeah bladestorm glowing is useless

its not like you control when u get the buffs or what stacks its on

[valid pulsar]

You send bt or ramp first and in st you even send execute before tb if not at 2 stacks

[oblique thistle]

in aoe what I do is press clap on cooldown

[lofty lotus]

everything else?

[oblique thistle]

in ST I just send blast if i have it

BT ramp and clap if both are unavailable

execute on CD when its up from SD or in execute range

my damage seems fine

[lofty lotus]

u have raging blow

[oblique thistle]

yeah and its shit

raging blow does no damage

[lofty lotus]

it buffs up your other abilities?

well one

[oblique thistle]

why press it when you can press bt and rampage instead

[lofty lotus]

???

[oblique thistle]

execute also buffs your stuff

[lofty lotus]

u just said they are on CD

[valid pulsar]

You prio a normal clap ver rb in st?

[oblique thistle]

then you press clap or execute

or you press wrecking throw

[lofty lotus]

im not gonna deal with you trolling

you just said they are on CD then saying why not press them...

[feral ivy]

what are yall doing or do yall have 3+ alts?

[lofty lotus]

leveling atls

[feral ivy]

i only have main and 1 alt and i cant do more

[valid pulsar]

Nah i just listen to the prio list you guys confusing me

[lofty lotus]

im leveling mage atm

still cant decide if i want mage demon hunter or shaman as an alt

[valid pulsar]

Is it now possible to disable glow on cdm somehow?

[vague stump]

www.wowhead.com for prio list

not that hard dudes

[lofty lotus]

its simple man
rampage when above 100 rage > BT > clap > execute > whatever is not on CD

[undone flower]

You need an addon

[valid pulsar]

But st prio looks very different on wowhead. Clap is lowest prio and execute is above tb if <2 stacks. Rb is higher prio than a normal clap. And crushing blow has higher prio than a normal clap as well

[lofty lotus]

oh thats prio for AOE mb

[undone flower]

I think there is one in link in one of Archi update post (I don’t find one mb)

[lofty lotus]

when i think about prio i always think about aoe and i spaced out on that part

[rare garnet]

there are lots of different CDMs that have that option, ArcUI does it I know for sure

[lofty lotus]

just follow the guide

[muted carbon]

Wish they would stop fucking with slayer for M+. Thane playstyle is lame

[novel gull]

Is it really that bad? Was going to start my warrior for alt. Really liked my Slayer in TWW. Is it not worth that spec?

[muted carbon]

It's still worth, and way better playstyle than thane.

[alpine palm]

Don't listen. Slayer feels great right now.

[novel gull]

Ok good.

[undone flower]

Minus rend, yes it is still cool gameplay

[novel gull]

Had my Saturday planned to start lvling him lol

[alpine palm]

If hitting rend somehow really fucks with you then just make a cast sequence macro Rend, Raging Blow, Raging Blow

reset=6

[undone flower]

[smoky nacelle]

we're going to be fine when 12.05 drops

[ruby scaffold]

There's never been a more truthful comment in this chat. Slayer is the most fun I've had as Fury.

[ruby scaffold]

I hope they revert the change that removes the Reap proc on Sudden Death, that proc actually feels exciting to press now.

[lime vortex]

Has there been any info about the /cancelaura on whirlwind buff? I think archi mentioned it's a bug and it's supposed to not work, but i haven't seen any info on it in the hotfixes or now the new patch notes for the 17th

[south chasm]

Do we think fury will be better than ret pala?

[blissful hound]

Why would ret pal be good ever

[valid pulsar]

ah nice cmc has the option to disable proc glow on the cooldown manager

per ability

[south chasm]

😮

[tribal lantern]

any simmers

[south chasm]

why do you hate ret so much

[blissful hound]

Who doesnt hate ret lmao

But ret just really doesnt bring much to the table

[dusty cove]

Haze of alnseer still a top trinket after nerfs? or have the sims not been updated?

[fast mural]

2 button ret rotation doing 20% more dmg than warriors with 4

[blissful hound]

Ret players are universally bad

Nothing to worry about

[fast mural]

cause loads of casuals play ret bringing the average down

just like BM

and fury for that matter

[honest remnant]

Aside from Bop/immune/devo/hoj/freedom/sacrifice/omega range

[lime vortex]

They can always shut down their discord so they don't need to get better and get buffed instead

[tribal lantern]

that's how I felt playing arcane mage in dragonflight. Pressing 40 buttons only to do the same damage as a hurr durr ret pressing 3 buttons

[south chasm]

this is like every class now it seems like

i dont get what people are crying about

2 button 4 button its all brain dead ez

[fast mural]

dps warriors dodged the pruning

[tribal lantern]

I'm not opposed to it

[south chasm]

it honestly took me longer to find a main this time because everything has been dumb down boring

[fast mural]

it has always been like that
the only interesting part was CDs

[tribal lantern]

I'm thinking of just playing prot warrior instead of the dps specs

[alpine palm]

100% agreed. That will be some bullshit if they go through with it. Agreed that it feels great to press

[fast mural]

prot got buffed by 10% so its not far behind arms

thats a good idea

[tribal lantern]

2nd best DPS spec lets go

[south chasm]

🤣

[blissful hound]

The gap will widen a bit now tho

I think prot was just a few thousands behind Arms in sims

[fast mural]

dungeon ST prot might still out dps collosus arms

[south chasm]

does anyone actually care for the button pruning? I feel like it kinda made the combat less exciting

[fast mural]

no one cares except mages

[blissful hound]

Button pruning didnt affect us

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[alpine palm]

Do we press fewer buttons now?

[tribal lantern]

I'm all for pruning

[fast mural]

every class excpet warrior

[alpine palm]

I didnt think we do

[fiery edge]

slayer magister

[tribal lantern]

Pruning is definitely the step in the right direction, even if it feels bad right now, it's healthy for the game long term

[undone flower]

I don’t even count roar as pruning since they made us play OF again

[alpine palm]

Inchresting. Ive only tried War so 🤷‍♂️

[blissful hound]

Plus rend lmao

[fiery edge]

no weapon drop, this shitty game

[alpine palm]

Fair, we have more buttons now actually lol

[fast mural]

they should have deleted rend and now they gave it to fury

[alpine palm]

Wrecking Throw interrupt is a W

[fast mural]

i dont think anyone cares about rend as a fury player

[alpine palm]

I care about dam and if hitting rend will increase it meaningfully then im hitting it

[fast mural]

the fact that wrecking throw is above Rb prio is cooked

[alpine palm]

I can agree with that

[fast mural]

we basically gained 2 buttons as fury

[undone flower]

Are you enjoying ravager on arms ?

[fast mural]

actually 3 with odyns fury

but at least thats a fine one

[alpine palm]

needlessly tedious optimization that you probably will avoid in dungeons anyway in favor of interrupt utility

[blissful hound]

I think I was one of the few who didnt mind it in TWW

[fast mural]

not to mention that we dont take enraged regen

[blissful hound]

Havent touched Arms a whole lot in Midnight so far, theres no point

[alpine palm]

I played arms for 2 dungeons. Maybe I was with dog players but it didnt feel terrible in AoE

[fast mural]

the average fury warrior is gonna die more often now cause no one is gonna stance weave as a defensive

[alpine palm]

ST was atrocious

[blissful hound]

Because the aoe is kinda fine actually

With the aura buff Arms can slap hard in aoe

If they actually buffed Arms enough to be competitive in ST it wouldve been kinda broken in aoe

Without a compensation nerf

[alpine palm]

Fuggin send it. Give arms some time in the sun

[undone flower]

Arms deserve to be broken

2 target juggernaut

They said

[alpine palm]

But you can Heroic Leap during your damage 😃

[rare garnet]

did they even prune anything?

[safe orbit]

warrior strong now?

[fast mural]

[alpine palm]

yes brother, warrior strong

[tribal lantern]

Nope but definitely other classes

I'm actually new to warrior

tbh

[safe orbit]

blizzard missclick???

[tribal lantern]

I used to main arcane and holy SHIT is that class pruned now, thank god honestly

Like I said, I used to press 40 buttons only to do the same damage as hurr durr ret pressing 3 buttons in Dragonflight

36 of those arcane buttons were like, literally worhtless just giving % damage to other spells

[fast mural]

arcane died when they removed rune of power

[tribal lantern]

Nah Rune of Power is litearlly the most worthless button ever

[fast mural]

im also the kind of guy that liked to stand in spear

[tribal lantern]

like you're just pressing a button that arbitrarily gives you % damage that could have been baked into your spells

I was so happy they pruned that shit

[undone flower]

And bfa fire mage was literally 3 button mage of the beta

[celest sierra]

what can i remove to pick up enraged regen

[smoky nacelle]

why would you want to pick it up?

[alpine palm]

Yea I was looking over the arcane mage APL the other day...

123 Arcane Blasts in a 5 min sim

[celest sierra]

its our only real defensive

[noble pulsar]

+q`v+-----------------+9

[fast mural]

if we get a boss like saladar again raid leaders are gonna hate fury warriors not taking their defensive

[tribal lantern]

I would be fine with the concept of Rune of Power but I think it would have to translate to your class doing 10-15% more damage than everyone else to be worth it, like it's such a huge mobility nerf to get that damage. 1.5 second cast time and having to stand in that rune the whole time, any raid mechanic making you run away basically means you lose 20% damage flat out

[noble pulsar]

0

.3.

[tribal lantern]

that's like, 1 cast every 2 seconds? lmao

[fast mural]

i do agree the dmg you got was way to high but i do think its fun to get better the more you know a boss

[limber sleet]

Do we really never press raging blow at all in slayer aoe that seems crazy

[tribal lantern]

In a way 10.0 Dragonflight Arcane was awesome because you get rewarded for playing the arcane piano, because you were THE biggest dick of dps specs at Razsageth raid, like if you could pull it off you're literally god

[smoky nacelle]

never

you'll WT or rend before you hit RB

[alpine palm]

Whirlwind feels better as filler anyway, imo

[noble pulsar]

0"? m 542533857 0

[undone flower]

[smoky nacelle]

wrecking throw > all of the above

[tribal lantern]

Yep, I agree! Learning a boss intimately so you can line up your Arcane rotation to it, just orgasmic. But yeah when the reward for that is not there, what's the point? Might as well go back to Ret and press 2 buttons and do far better in mechanics than having to do mental calculus the whole time

[celest sierra]

so we dont take enraged regen?

[bright blaze]

Thought it was only my noob impression

[fast mural]

rend has a stronger initial hit than ww and is uncapped

[smoky nacelle]

its recommended we don't

[undone flower]

Are you ok ?

[fast mural]

its his cat

[viral gulch]

Do we really need to click rend in slayer bulds? o_O

[fast mural]

yes

[smoky nacelle]

5-8% increase overall damage..yes

[viral gulch]

Oh, okay

[spring lantern]

just keep it up in aoe outside of cds

[celest sierra]

anyone usiong stance mastery ?

[spring lantern]

press it in st if you fancy it

[placid palm]

It feels kind of wrong to press it as fury somehow.

[viral gulch]

Exactly

[smoky nacelle]

which is why they are adding it to WW

[fast mural]

we have to since we dont have a defensive

[blissful hound]

Stance Mastery is kinda broken anyway

[smoky nacelle]

if your solo'ing and doing world stuff yeah

[celest sierra]

what do u give up for it?

[fast mural]

wrath and fury or massacre

[fast mural]

there will be fury warrs that dont have it in m+ i guarantee it

[alpine palm]

Kinda wild how squishy we are compared to before. Could take Wall and the Second Wind upgrade without giving up any dam

[smoky nacelle]

i agree yes

[fast mural]

we are tanky as fuck wdym

stance mastery is insane

[tribal lantern]

Are there any liquid/echo/method raiders in this discord who talk here?

just wondering

[alpine palm]

Havent tried doing very keys without wall. As nice as def stance is, wall will be missed

[blissful hound]

ye

[tribal lantern]

in the mage discord there used to be hopeful being active there

[blissful hound]

We have a few here but theyre not very active

[tribal lantern]

though tbh idk whats the point of a mage discord anymore that class is pruned to high heavens KEKW

[tribal lantern]

i see isee

[fast mural]

so are weapon embelishments trash that we take back and wrists

[delicate rock]

How exactly is a 20% magic dmg reduction ( basically 95% of all spells) on a 25sec CD, a 30% selfheal on a 30sec CD and a on demand def stance considered weak?

[inner zinc]

im pretty sure the M+ builds for thane dont use it. Or ER for that matter

[noble pulsar]

Lol, phone in the pocket got me.

[smoky nacelle]

thought it was a cat

[celest sierra]

the class tree is messed up cant take stance mastery

[fast mural]

?

why not

[inner zinc]

because its a dps loss

more than usual

[celest sierra]

tryna see what i can give up for it but nothing good lmao

[fast mural]

what are you taking instead

[celest sierra]

i have the battlefield commander thing

for the shouts

[smoky nacelle]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/fury/talent-builds-pve-dps

[celest sierra]

^ thats what i copied

[alpine palm]

Read what I said bud. Did not say that we are weak defensively. Compared to before where we didnt have to give up damage to access Wall, which I hope I dont have to explain is a huge defensive CD and upgraded Second Wind, which was bugged against many abilities and would continuously heal as if out of combat is a pretty big change.

[fast mural]

both raid builds for slayer take stance mastery

if you go into m+ without enrage regen and stance mastery you are cooked

[alpine palm]

Particularly against Swampface Second Wind was a life saver.

[fast mural]

this might be the funniest bait for the average pug fury warr there is

you gonna go into a +10 week 1 with a random fury with only spell reflect and that wont use defensive stance cause its a dps loss

[undone flower]

you have to drop babaric training or javenliner -> shouts and drop crushing force

[viral gulch]

Another quick question - do we press execute? It still feels underwhelming somehow

[candid sorrel]

You really only lose second wind as thane
Stance mastery your only other choice is Battlefield commander which is barely a dps increase anyway

Enraged regen I don't take, we're tanky as hell - go defensive stance

[alpine palm]

Ya its good. Dont waste SD procs and Exe > BT

[viral gulch]

Ty 🙂

[alpine palm]

in ST

SD procs have a higher prio in MT due to Reap

[undone flower]

and outside of reck*

[alpine palm]

Bt is only available outside of Reck :^)

but yes thats fair

[undone flower]

i mean BB>SD during reck, we will not talk about semantics

[alpine palm]

Oh yes that's fair too

[delicate rock]

But this is only for slayer right? BT is over Exe on MT i thought

[alpine palm]

Ye, referring to Slayer

[delicate rock]

K

[undone flower]

yeah if we talk about execute/sd it is most likely about slayer

if there is no thunderclap in the convo, you can suppose it's not about thane

[delicate rock]

Haha fair

[undone flower]

im just telling you how to deduce what ppl are talking about dw

[sudden tusk]

It's all thane now

[bold forge]

Will it be a group grief to play slayer jn m+

[tacit hill]

What sims higher for single target and multi target in raid now? Slayer or thane?

[bold forge]

Or still good enough

[rare garnet]

depends on how you feel good enough is

[coarse nest]

Thane raid too

[echo rapids]

Slayer is fine in m+

[rare garnet]

some people think a 1% difference isn't acceptable, some people think 10% is totally fine

[coarse nest]

Please no

[placid palm]

Thane is pretty fun in dungeons.

[undone flower]

i hope you kinda suspected it with the raid bosses

[coarse nest]

Yeah

Kek

[bold forge]

10% is grief

Hope the real difference is low single digits

[fast mural]

wiht how many specs there are its impossible to tune it this close

maybe sim dps can be tuned like that but no actuall boss fight statistics

[undone flower]

yeah you can't 10% diff from top to bottom spec is good tuning result

[rare garnet]

who knows, im gonna lock in slayer until i feel a problem, i hate clap animation

[modest condor]

slayer is like 3% ahead on st and almost 20% behind on aoe

[rare garnet]

-reacted with

who knows, im gonna lock in thane until i feel a problem, i love clap animation

[frozen portal]

pls someonetell me theres a macro or better option than having 2 rampage keybinds for the WW cancel

[rare garnet]

why play RR?

[coarse nest]

Just don’t play with the cancel and rest the mind

[modest condor]

yeah, talent out of rampaging ruin

[frozen portal]

lmao totally fair

[sour frigate]

wait whats the thing with rampaging ruin

i thought it should be gain in every situation aside 1+4 targets?

[brittle mauve]

Are we still clapping and blasting every second GCD in aoe? I skimmed myself and the DMG allocation to the abilities is not aligned with my output on 5 dummies...despite doing more than my sim overall suggests.

[frozen portal]

rampaging ruin is what the m+ guide says to run but its just a headache

but idk any math on how worse it is to notspecin

[honest trail]

Been doing quite some time on dummies as both Slayer & Thane & tbf i'm disgusted by how Slayer is atm, I don't like Thane as much but am considering just playing it only the whole freaking season

🙁

[honest trail]

At 6+ targets yes

[modest condor]

it's only better on 7+ targets, and you're still losing prio damage while aoeing

[honest trail]

All depends on pull size & type y

Prio dmg is very important

[brittle mauve]

im talking m+ content btw

so sub +6 targets what changes?

[honest trail]

Doesn't change the answer

[honest trail]

BT/BB prio over Clap

[brittle mauve]

ok

[honest trail]

Which makes you Clap every 3-4 gcd instead of every 2

[brittle mauve]

so jsut to be clear, at sub 6, we clap only to keep our stacks up?

ok

u answered

tyvm

[honest trail]

Well no since you never Raging Blow

[chrome wraith]

When do we replace the wraps?

[honest trail]

You clap when not Rampaging or BT/BB

Which is pretty often

[brittle mauve]

i kinda figured that, seems like RB is straight lowest prio in an ST situation?

[chrome wraith]

Seems insane that it's doing almost as much damage as my trinket from windrunners AND it has the damage boost to below 35%

[honest trail]

It's only worth in pure filler in ST yes

otherwise ignore it

[brittle mauve]

roger that

tyvm

for clear asnwers

[chrome wraith]

Reshii wraps that is

[odd dagger]

is fury have any sim after buff?

[wild plank]

Twilight's barrage insane? hello

[odd crater]

Buff isn’t live until 17th, so no

[sour frigate]

sadge felt good to me to have not it hardcapped

[brittle mauve]

this rotation increased my dps by like 10k on the 5 dummies compared to the +6 approach I was using, thanks

[honest trail]

Sounds good xD

[brittle mauve]

now in giatn ass m+ pulls for me to notice we're down to 5 targets...lol

its soo much easier to just send tb/tc every 2 GCDs!!

[honest trail]

But as stated it's not always the right call

It's an option you have for huge aoe

In big targets pulls

[brittle mauve]

right...and gotta consider if there's a prio mob..

[honest trail]

Prio dmg can be more valuable

[brittle mauve]

for sure

[honest trail]

Also considering execute phase dmg

from VC

[brittle mauve]

leave the ego at the instance entrance, and do the prio, time the key, get the io

[honest trail]

Depends on your comp

If you need high aoe or not

Thane current state is imo very interesting

[brittle mauve]

what do you mean VC?

[honest trail]

I'm not a fan of Clap

[brittle mauve]

im new to warrior, nothign to compare it to

[honest trail]

Vicious Comtempt, BT/BB 25% dmg bonus under 35% hp

[brittle mauve]

ohhh

hmmm

itll come down to the dmg profile of the group, ur right

I am hoping to play a phys comp m+ team, tbd tho

so like, rogue/hunter/warrior

[honest trail]

Like current Thane has 3 different procs to manage while checking different cds like Reck/Avatar, numbers of targets + exec phase & prio changes in each situation

Which is very interesting