fury

[balmy shore]

FaR

[tepid lily]

rend has more prio than rb

[rancid crag]

So rend applied with ww

[winter condor]

🫃

[rancid crag]

But then you still wanna rend if its some huge pull ?

[olive wraith]

No?

[hollow leaf]

why would you

[rancid crag]

Why not it deals good dmg

[hollow leaf]

if ww also procs reap

[calm dock]

god i hate rend but i guess its nice that its comming to ww

[rancid crag]

Its uncappes

[olive wraith]

Why waste a gcd

[forest ginkgo]

Since they seem to love whirlwind so much, just make us a 1 button spec where all we do is spam whirlwind

[rancid crag]

Uncapped

[olive wraith]

Ww is soft capped

[forest ginkgo]

Classic gaming coming to retail

[rancid crag]

Rend is good in huge pulls rn try it

[hardy stirrup]

Wonder what the actual %+/- for slayer works out to with the nerf to reap

[forest ginkgo]

I mean i assume we (hopefully) wont be spamming whirlwind a lot in aoe even with the change. But still feelsbadman

[olive wraith]

The bleed is yes

[rancid crag]

Its not even a high chance to proc its 15 percent

[olive wraith]

I promise you. Ww>rend in aoe

For .5 I mean

[forest ginkgo]

As long as it wont be the best way to dps in aoe, i wont cry too much about it

[tulip bone]

Should I be waiting to use rampage until enrage stops or are things too fast for it to not matter

[tepid lily]

why slayer rend when thane does it better with TC

[forest ginkgo]

Like spamming ww

[rancid crag]

Hopefully cause otherwise its just stupid if we gotta press rend on top of the rend applied from ww

[glad coyote]

How is arms compared to fury now with the 15% obviously it helps arms but does it bring it closer to fury?

[lusty pike]

ok sorry lads i see there is a lot of unrest but in simple terms, 10% overall damage surely is good? does it just mean we might move to Thane

[olive wraith]

You won’t

[tepid lily]

no

[glad coyote]

Still a decent gap?

[olive wraith]

It’s more dooming for the .5 patch

[calm dock]

arms is still a meme spec

[glad coyote]

Got it lol

[modest condor]

ok so imagine you have 2 specs, one does 100 dps and the other does 150 dps
you buff the one doing 100 by 15% and the one doing 150 by 10%
what do you think happens?

[tepid lily]

decent gap between the bad

yeah

[lusty pike]

how so, sorry

[rancid crag]

Awful changes awful

No more sd to proc reap

[calm dock]

reap being essentially double nerfed across the 2 patches pog

[rancid crag]

Instead ww has a 15 percent chance to proc it

[forest ginkgo]

Its so sad ngl

[edgy widget]

that's 12.0.5, so still a couple months away

[rancid crag]

Na this is crazy

[limber rapids]

New notes for the 17th

[forest ginkgo]

It was fun to press

[edgy widget]

you're like an hour late my dude

[tepid lily]

can we verify if the bluepost is ai

[limber rapids]

Lol

[tepid lily]

so we can riot

[limber rapids]

Sorry, on my end it showed a few seconds

[rare garnet]

well clearly you start playing the spec doing 115 instead of the spec dealing 165 silly gooser

[deft palm]

do they just want slayer to be AoE?

[fiery gyro]

How we feeling for raid next Tuesday, still gotta play fury?

[forest ginkgo]

Probably

[calm dock]

wonder how the demonology are taking the changes

[rancid crag]

Honestly with these patch changes in 0.5 it looks like they want us all to play thane

[edgy widget]

follow your heart, not the meters

[rancid crag]

Fury always

[calm dock]

will certainly try if for nothing else than go no other chars ready

[brittle crow]

but where do these changes place fury vs unholy

[deft palm]

i wish i could follow my heart

[brittle crow]

that's the real important part

[edgy widget]

UH still better for sure

[brittle crow]

damn

[forest ginkgo]

Yeee

[deft palm]

if i follow my heart it would lead me to the bench of my guild

[forest ginkgo]

Uh was simming like crazy

[cosmic plank]

🥺

[deft palm]

UH broken

[calm dock]

unholy might have moued from SS+ to S+ and thats a maybe

[forest ginkgo]

And demo needed the nerfs

On my warrior i had a ST dps of like 35-40k depending on proccs and stuff. Sometimes less cuz yeah

And my demo easily sat between 45 and 60k, often leaning more to 60k

[calm dock]

why tf unholy got compensation buffs dispite being the strongest dps in the game idk

[rancid crag]

Why not

[fiery gyro]

I might follow my heart, but bench will caught up

[midnight kite]

Unholy gets compensation buffs
We get compensation nerfs
👍

[spring fox]

Bad players need love too

[forest ginkgo]

I mean its like when our bladestorm got nerfed season 1 on TWW

[somber thicket]

WTF retri buffs

[forest ginkgo]

We got some other buffs to make up for the sudden loss in biiig aoe potential

[hardy stirrup]

Its just a redistribution, clearly they wanted teh 20% flat nerf to impact ST more than AOE

[calm dock]

yea ret got massive buffs holy

[hardy stirrup]

its not "compensation"

[limpid tide]

is it just a redistribution or is it still a buff?

seems good

[pure echo]

What the fuck is that piercing howl nerf

[forest ginkgo]

Its a nerf

[rancid crag]

Just delete the discord they will get the memo we might get +5% dmg increase

[pure echo]

I swear to god can warrior not have any goddam utility

[calm dock]

seems its about time to prepare alts

[forest ginkgo]

I have a Demo and UH alt so im ready

[tranquil echo]

piercing howl was exceptionally strong tbf

[hardy stirrup]

Feral might be a dark horse with those buffs tbh

[modest condor]

and in typical blizzard fashion they killed it instead of making it balanced

[pure echo]

4s slightly faster run speed is nothing.

It’s not nearly as impactful as roar was for Druid

[sullen dove]

fury saved poggers

[forest ginkgo]

Yeah idk why they make it a 90s cd

Kinda crazy

[sullen dove]

did some of the top get nerfed

piercing is pretty op real talk

[spring fox]

The range is pitiful though. Like we gotta call for everyone to stack on us to howl

[random shadow]

UH just got lots of nerfs tho

[sullen dove]

90 too hard but like 60 would be cool

[forest ginkgo]

Still stronk

[tranquil echo]

don't get me wrong i think 90 is too much but 30 was definitely too little

[pure echo]

Yeah I think 40-45 or worst case 60s would be fair. 90s is why bother taking it

[sullen dove]

Piercing howl is like a “save your tank” button in m+ like 90% of the time on slowable mobs

Probably still good for that reason

[tranquil echo]

and yeah the range is very sad, definitely seems like the intent is for a call of "melee move" and warr can help with that

[dapper goblet]

feral best spec in the game now

pass it on

[sullen dove]

w apook

@misty edge rise up

[dapper goblet]

k well fury is like

pretty fuck good now

[drowsy heron]

LETS GO FURY BUFFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[smoky vale]

gupish

[sullen dove]

I mean 10% what now like 106kish

[smoky vale]

did they shoot unhoyl

[blissful pine]

23 mins and no sims yet? Skyhold obviously dead.

[sullen dove]

idk you are the dk player

[calm dock]

slayer nerf overall

[rare garnet]

what are we even paying them for

[wind token]

well thane stay stonk common thane W

[hardy stirrup]

Bit early for the "overall" shout for slayer surely

[frosty ibex]

you play thane in m+ and i would say reap is not efficient in ST

[north topaz]

Love thunder clapping on cd

[humble lily]

Thats not on tuesday, thats the .5patch which will havr a lot more changes before its live.

[wind token]

yeah the reduced on bt chance isnt that big of deal in st

[frosty ibex]

you mean before 17 we could get more changes of war fury?

[calm dock]

idk i get a bit sad looking at how much other specs are getting and then we get that

like fucking ret

[humble lily]

The slayer changes are in the .5 patch

[limpid tide]

does the 10% buff not help more than the 10% nerf to reap?

[livid arch]

i just got home. a flat 10% buff seems like a lot for fury

[rare garnet]

never try to compare yourself to the main character

[calm dock]

tru mb

[olive wraith]

It’s a net buff yes

[calm dock]

like ret wasnt that much worse than us right? and they got giga juiced

[rare garnet]

reap is like what, 10% of our damage? so nerfing it slightly doesn't hurt much plus we're getting the flatter buff

fury goat

we're back

[limpid tide]

nice

some positivity

thanks!

[ebon kayak]

we dont wanna be top for the mythic week tuning round anyways, too much of a buff would have been a net negative

[inner zinc]

man i was hoping they would bump piercing howl ms boost to 40%. It doesnt really feel noticable at 30%

[misty edge]

https://tenor.com/view/pay-attention-to-me-one-orange-brain-cell-kitten-cat-meow-gif-16762328332322827176

[rancid crag]

So you guys think thane is the way to go for m+ ?

[sullen dove]

yes

[calm dock]

cat

[olive wraith]

Pretty sure it’s been the better option this entire time

[untold lily]

is it over or are we back?

[sullen dove]

we are back

for now

[rancid crag]

Hmm Slayer feels pretty good to me rn in m0

[chrome relic]

lowkey it might be thane in raid too

[olive wraith]

Slayer looks dead come .5

[rancid crag]

Havent tried thane tbh

Ye come .5 its over

But until then

[sullen dove]

Might be thane on some bosses but doubt all

first boss honestly has a lot of adds could see it there for some pad

[rancid crag]

Is it a huge dps difference in m+ slayer compared to thane

[sudden tusk]

https://giphy.com/gifs/cat-kitten-kitty-108wBdjDIkQZb2

[rancid crag]

Or just a slight overall difference

[sullen dove]

Probably only like 8-10% max

For aoe

Slayer would do about that much more on st

[smoky vale]

i mean the fact that thane loses 0 st to do aoe

[sullen dove]

as does slayer

[smoky vale]

alone will be enough to always play it

ok but the aoe number is giga

[chrome relic]

yeah if you played slayer at absolute peak performance ur about 7-8% worse than thane that's arguably a lot more simple

with better CD allignment for m+

[rancid crag]

Is it though i played with some thanes and they couldn’t keep up maybe they were just bad

[chrome relic]

so idk why you would want to play slater

[merry night]

yeah thanes just gonna be meta for the season it seems but thats fine

[sullen dove]

it is possible they were bad as you play thane very weirdly now compared to last xpac

[rancid crag]

Slayer looks cooler

[hybrid yew]

I always feel so bad on boss fights in thane spec

[rancid crag]

And i like the way it plays

[chrome relic]

fair enough

play it king

it's close enough

[sullen dove]

Yea it ain’t matter for like vault keys

[honest trail]

Thane is harder than Slayer to optimize dmg with current designs. Slayer is te ez route

But weaker

[hybrid yew]

Are we saved with our 10% damage buff or is it too little

[rancid crag]

I will be going for title

[tacit hill]

Fury going to be a top dps spec

[sullen dove]

It’s prolly good nuff

[tacit hill]

shit was already good

10% is wild

[sullen dove]

idk about that

[merry night]

yeah its good

[hybrid yew]

We were definitely behind many specs

[fickle cedar]

id say we were middle of the pack

[brittle monolith]

copium

[limpid tide]

ive pugged with alot of other fury thanes and they never do more dmg then me as slayer

[tacit hill]

It was already mid pack

[limpid tide]

just play what ur good at

[sullen dove]

unholy went from 140k to like… 112k? Still better than us at like 105kish

but gap waaay fuckin smaller

[tacit hill]

I doubt arms will be better

[sullen dove]

Hell no

arms needed like 30% lol

[rancid crag]

Whats the rotation like for slayer is it still tc bt tc rampage

Thane i mean sorry

[merry night]

uhhh

[sullen dove]

Tc every other global while not over capping rage

[rancid crag]

So then tc bt tc bt

[hybrid yew]

If only they didn’t nerf our auto attack so hard in the beginning of the patch

[sullen dove]

so whether it’s ramp tc ramp tc sure but if u can fit a bb without overcapping then that is slid in there

no ramp is way higher than bb most of the time

[rancid crag]

I mean the general flow without rampage its gonna be just bt and tc

[sullen dove]

This is also for like big aoe

yea sure you don’t have much more

[hybrid yew]

How do you maximize thane dps? Just seems like a lot of thunderclapping

[sullen dove]

ramp/bt/tc/execute

[smoky turret]

y the fuck is there a back handed reap nerf

[rancid crag]

Okay so still the same thane as it was in pre patch

[fickle dirge]

I have a feeling we will be playing Thane for all contents

[wind token]

why not?

[hybrid yew]

Even single target raid boss fights thane????

[abstract dirge]

sacrificing arms so that we get fury buffs. good deal

[sullen dove]

no

Highly doubt the tiny reap nerf makes slayer worse st

[forest owl]

how tf did devourer get away with 4% nerf lol

[wind token]

new spec needs to be good

[brittle crow]

why did they nerf piercing howl bruh

[sullen dove]

Dude only demos one hero talent got nerfed and I don’t even like playing that one

[glad delta]

Cuz its poster spec of midnight

[smoky turret]

???

[sullen dove]

crazy I get to continue doing what I enjoy on diabolist demo

w shit

[hybrid yew]

Demo and mage and shaman are strong

[zinc eagle]

why wont blizz let slayer be viable in m+

[livid arch]

so what does 10% do to our MT dmg? our MT already seems actually pretty good

[wind token]

more good

[livid arch]

it was just our ST that was dumpy

[gleaming juniper]

i guarantee you can play Slayer in the keys you are doing and no one will notice a difference

[fickle cedar]

i dont wanna be using that every 30s in raid tbh 😭

[brittle crow]

u wouldn't anyways it's not worth the gcd

[undone flower]

Is it the one with big mom ?

[fast mural]

the other 15% is in the new apex talent if you hold your CS for it

i cant believe they buffed fury tho

[sullen dove]

how is it holding cs you need 5 procs of heroic strike? Like that’s so much no

No way u can get up to 5

[fast mural]

is it actually 5 every 45s?

[sullen dove]

idk

[fast mural]

i forgot at what stacks the heroic strike buff evens out

[sullen dove]

the wowhead article said and average of 20 in 5 minutes unless that was just like hypothetical situation

[fast mural]

but i swear it was more like 3

[sullen dove]

you can hold heroic strikes?

[digital mauve]

So is the slayer nerf really that hard ? Can we still play it competivly in raid and M+ ? Thanks also to the 10% buff

[sullen dove]

assumed it was like a shirt buff u had to use asap

[fast mural]

no the armour pen buff

[honest trail]

#arms this is the real spec channel

[sullen dove]

Def still in raid st but m+ position hasn’t changed much thane still better

can still play either in both tho ofc if u want until you’re pushing like hard content

[digital mauve]

But how much ?

[fickle cedar]

elem got buffed too crazy

[sullen dove]

Idk prolly max 10%

Maybe closer to 7-8

[digital mauve]

What 's hard content?

[sullen dove]

Mythic raid or higher than vault keys maybe

[fickle cedar]

preys

[sullen dove]

But like up to you really what that means

[hybrid yew]

Is thane just using TC on cooldown while staying enraged

[livid arch]

you could probably comfortably take slayer to 15

[sullen dove]

sure

[digital mauve]

Idk slayer gameplay is so much more fun than thane

Thanks to reap

[fickle cedar]

its okay to stay at 1 charge while putting BB/BT on cooldown, as long as you dont cap its all good

[hybrid yew]

Reap nerf tho :(

[red berry]

I do prefer slayer, honestly

[sullen dove]

ya I mean still fine to play in m+ if u want

[zinc eagle]

yeah Thane is abysmal idky its always pushed to be the top. S3 slayer warrior was peak

[winter axle]

Is Fury still dog shit after this change?

[smoky turret]

define dog shit

[honest trail]

It was not dogshit, so it's fine

[blissful nimbus]

it's gone from ok to decent

[digital mauve]

Well I guess I'll still be playing slayer on all content, le'ts say that 10% buff compensate for the -10% nerf on reap

[fickle cedar]

we're like upper middle i suppose

[livid arch]

lol. okay, fury warrior was never dog shit.

[untold steppe]

fury is good enough for everyone in here

[sullen dove]

the reap nerf gotta be so tiny

[rare garnet]

best place to be

[livid arch]

its just ranged are blizzards favorite children

[sullen dove]

Most of your reaps off execute real shit

[zinc eagle]

the issue becomes these questionable changes for the .5 patch it will gut any reap damage and essentially kill the CD reduc on bladestorm. it could be really bad unless they modify it more

[winter axle]

I'm struggling to decide between Fury Warrior and Sub Rogue. I feel like Sub Rogue is better but there are already 7 leather wearers in my guild and only 2 plate wearers lol

[sullen dove]

lol

[dense elbow]

Ish, 15% less

1/3 of half, give or take some SD proc variance

[sullen dove]

lotta leatheries

[dry hawk]

brew and bear got got. 😄

[sullen dove]

what 15%

[winter axle]

Did they?

[sullen dove]

Went from 30 to 20 on bt

[digital mauve]

When will the .5 patch drop?

[gray plume]

Play whatever is more fun i always say, your gonna be playing this class for hours might as well enjoy it

[zinc eagle]

6-8 weeks i think

[smoky turret]

~1% i think

[dry hawk]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/class-tuning-incoming-march-17/2271691

[dense elbow]

Sure, before you got ish 50 / 50 casts, 100 total
50 from BT, 50 from SD

1/3rd from 50 is 17.5%, so napkin math

You lost ish 15% Reap dam

[dry hawk]

now I wait for my RL to tell me I'm tanking again

[digital mauve]

Sooo in 8 weeks slayer is completely dead ? So we have 8 weeks to enjoy it unless they change their mind ? Do blizzard change it's mind often prior patches?

[quiet geyser]

i assume we pretty much just play thane for everything? The small reap nerf brings them even just a tad bit closer in pure ST, and theres really not much ST this tier anyways

[rare garnet]

i would make you go arms

[winter axle]

I don't really understand how they nerfed Bear and Monk though

[sullen dove]

Yea I mean how could u possibly know the breakdown before tho

[dense elbow]

Hm?

[sullen dove]

and even if true reap is like 10% or less st dmg

[undone flower]

For 50 SD you cast 166 BT ?

[rare garnet]

yeah why nerf bear

makes no sense

fr fr

[sullen dove]

Bear needed a buff

Real

[rare garnet]

true

[wide sinew]

we got a buff or a nerf ?

[modest condor]

real

[sullen dove]

powder that makes u say real

[dense elbow]

Never checked the BT ratio, only reap to SD ratio

Either way, I dont really care, it is a minor Reap nerf that wont break Slayer

It will just help the profile be less Reap top heavy

Thane will have a bigger lead, but i take 10%

[coarse nest]

https://tenor.com/view/real-plastic-man-gif-16817691016826173259

[undone flower]

It was a genuine question, and it is stats, 50 BT reap needs 166 BT cast, I’m asking if your 50/50 was true basically

[sullen dove]

Fyralath the dream render that makes you say real

[modest condor]

fyralath the real render

[digital mauve]

Also frost mage got untouched but I heard they will get destroyed on .5 patch

[sullen dove]

50x3 is 150

but generally yeah I think that’s like the distinction

[undone flower]

50/0.3

[sullen dove]

ragey

idk

[modest condor]

30% chance is not the same as 1/3

[sullen dove]

close nuff

[dense elbow]

More or less, on avg it was 140 ish vs 130 ish after the runs I checked

50/50 is good enough for government work

[livid arch]

lmao

[smoky turret]

according to mr robot

[toxic jewel]

why do they keep reducing reap proc chance lol

[smoky turret]

(before the nerf)

[dense elbow]

Reap too dominant in the dam profile

[smoky turret]

warr isn't a real class, chatgpt made the tuning

[zinc eagle]

if they keep shitting on reap we need a BS buff asap

[dense elbow]

Well, BS kinda got a 10%

[toxic jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/i-think-you-should-leave-tim-robinson-you-sure-sure-sure-about-that-gif-10141155136692995405

[zinc eagle]

esp if they kill reap off SD we can kiss BS goodbye

[dense elbow]

I am for sure and real about that

[toxic jewel]

i'd understand if it were tww s3 levels of reap damage but its not lol

[smoky turret]

reap rn is 9%ish, 5% is from bt

[brittle crow]

9%ish 5%

kinda like 6 7

[smoky turret]

sure

[coarse stirrup]

Fury thane looking good

[modest condor]

i prefer 5/7

perfect score

[undone flower]

Five seven

[sudden tusk]

with the nerf to slayers reap

id say thane prob wins in almost every situation

[hybrid yew]

Is it back to raging blow yet

[sudden tusk]

nope

raging blow is below wrecking throw in prio

[hybrid yew]

Rip

[tardy matrix]

Look at what they did to ret and try telling me closing the discord doesn't work

[hybrid yew]

Thane just feels so bad on single target fights tho

[tardy matrix]

CLOSE THE DISCORD IT WORKS

[sullen dove]

aint no way thane better on st

[undone flower]

Closing the discord doesn’t work

[sullen dove]

like a 2% loss on reap max surely

[tardy matrix]

Look at the ret buffs man

[sullen dove]

slayer bigger gap from thane than that

[undone flower]

It was 4% diff

[sudden tusk]

you forget unhinged is also losing additional reaps from Bladestorming

[fast mural]

and they didnt close the discord this time

[undone flower]

And we haven’t had a thane raid yet

[sullen dove]

yea i mean its still included

in the 2%

[warm crag]

dont worry guys there is still the week 2 mythic tuning

[sullen dove]

sd is still carrying for the most part

(for now)

(gg)

[undone flower]

Yeah it’s tuning for killing heroic bosses, then tuning for rwf and then post rwf tuning

[zinc eagle]

that will be dead in 6 weeks

[sullen dove]

yep enjoy while it lasts

[last fern]

What is sd ?

[sullen dove]

sudden death

free execute

[last fern]

Ty ty

[twin plover]

wwhy will it be dead?

[zinc eagle]

they taking reap procs off SD

[twin plover]

also mt still looking better for raid than slayer?

[twin plover]

ayaya, wow devs not playing wow be like

[zinc eagle]

slayer will be whirlwind spam with rampage mixed in to maintain enrage

[autumn harbor]

with the changes to fury is there any sims out atm so we can see roughly how the dmg will look like?

[last fern]

REMBER TO WORD WARCRAFT IS SCARY -> warrior -> war=warcraft !!!!!!

[dense elbow]

Look at old, take out a calculator, do x1.1

[open sage]

Slayer removal when

[winter axle]

Is simming against Target Dummy on Raidbots, what I want to do? (since we dont have execute window)

[autumn harbor]

i have no clue where that post is my dude

[dense elbow]

The search bar, search dps sheet or similar, should prob show up

It been linked quite a few times

[autumn harbor]

ty

[dense elbow]

Aight, enjoy the buff peeps

Time to

[modest condor]

remember when searching on discord would also show a preview of the message before and after it so you could see a little bit of context of a message

[toxic jewel]

as if mage needed a buff lol

[sullen dove]

i thought fire was tremendously dogshit no

or was that just prepatch

for it to get some of its stuff nerfed

ig maybe its more buff than nerf

[toxic jewel]

demo locks got a nerf tho

[sullen dove]

yea to only 1 hero talent

i didnt even like playing it

so thank god

my chad alt is untouched

still broken real talk

[echo rapids]

They got smashed pretty hard

[toxic jewel]

lol i play fury and unh

[fast mural]

fire was above sub rogue

[toxic jewel]

and unh got nerfed too

[sullen dove]

yea

still better than fury

[toxic jewel]

big sad

[sullen dove]

but now only by like 10% and not 50%

pog

[fast mural]

its still 12k ahead of fury

and it wouldnt be anohter patch without some psychic link tuning

[graceful crown]

How ya’ll feeling my melee brethren, just came from laughing at unholy scrubs.

[novel oasis]

fury stand strong

[fast mural]

unholy still better than us

[novel oasis]

we scale better 😉

[modest condor]

s word alert

[graceful crown]

Huh? Actually?

[whole rose]

🙂

[fast mural]

lmao

[modest condor]

weewooweewoo someone said the s word

[undone flower]

Utility circle we need bl

[quiet geyser]

unholy still gonna be a top 3 spec for sims anyways. Only issue not a whole lot of pure ST going on this tier

[graceful crown]

I mean, I’m a frostler, and for past 30 minutes I’ve been celebrating the fact that the raid might pick me up. 😭

[red berry]

weewoo weewoo

i didnt expect a 10% buff honestly

[livid arch]

i honestly expected us to get ignored

[undone flower]

Kinda expected they will not shake the order that much bc rwf

[river willow]

Feral stonks up fury stonks up m+ phys comp gaming

[cerulean cradle]

i've seen a different opener on maxroll than what has been listed on wowhead, which version is the "correct" one?

[tepid lily]

is thane more viable now for raid and stuff

[glad delta]

dont listen to wowhead

[tepid lily]

since it's getting 0 changes

I would do thane for adds fights or even 2 target

[tough oriole]

isnt wowhead just written by the main warrior theorycrafter in this discord?

[cerulean cradle]

that's what i was wondering aswell

[cobalt horizon]

Yes

[olive wraith]

Clearly just theorycrsdt

[cerulean cradle]

maxroll

[olive wraith]

Why listen to smart people

[cerulean cradle]

wowhead

[chrome wraith]

Makes more sense to get odyn's rolling ASAP no?

[oak peak]

yeah doesnt make sense to postpone OF

[rancid ermine]

What is up with the class dev and fury slayer changes for 12.0.5. Does this guy wear a crash helmet and eat boogers? Like seriously.

[coarse stirrup]

fury thane is amazing now btw

[tepid lily]

thats old as hell

I wouldn't reck before charge

[tepid lily]

I would prefer this but instead of OF it's BT (bleeding buff) and then OF

see

and why 3 rampages when only 2 can be stackable for BT to be buffed

[drowsy heron]

do we know what the new numbers are with the tuning changes?

[tepid lily]

don't tell me bcs of the apex talent...

[olive wraith]

Could be to avoid over cap also

[drowsy heron]

^ most likely

you have ALOT of rage in CDs

[olive wraith]

But also. Apex is kinda strong

[tepid lily]

ok, that's fine yeah

[olive wraith]

Glad you approve

[fast mural]

Maxroll wants you to reck before charge ?
They assume the tanks put you in combat I guess

[limpid tide]

like 101.5k

[fast mural]

The stacks from the apex talent get deleted if you use reck before a boss is pulled

[winter shoal]

My preliminary sims have it pretty close on single target (3-5%) and omega gapping slayer on 5t

like 10-20%

[covert blaze]

at least 7

[young swan]

yep best version of fury since legion #tbh

[tame gorge]

Yo, am i overreacting to that change to hack and slash?

[rapid pike]

na tww s1 was better imo (slayer)

[tame gorge]

With that change, the chances of us having dead globals without shit to do goes away.

[feral ivy]

im supprised they ddint fix the wording of the reap the storm being 100% if there is more than 3 targets or just nerf it to something else

[rare garnet]

if thane had a better animation but i just cant move past stomp spamming it looks so fucking dumb

[young swan]

its a good change

well i like it

cause its more consistent

but in practice the old one had the potential to be better

[tame gorge]

with rampahe guarenteeing a refund raging blow, there's no more dead globals ever.

rampage**

or at least the chacnes of it happening is SEVERELY diminished.

[glossy heart]

So we're still lining up to be Thane M+; Slayer Raid.

Pray for high A-Tier?

[feral ivy]

i would think slayer m+

[wind token]

its bean thane m+

[winter shoal]

Very possibly thane for raid too

if there are adds

[glossy heart]

Guess I'm learning to love thane hah

[winter shoal]

Thane feels so shit during reck man

[young swan]

absolutely not

theres like a very good chance u will just play thane on every fight

if im being honest

from the ones we've seen anyways

[feral ivy]

reap the storm 100% proc not that good dmg?

[young swan]

they just nerfed the proc rate and SD is still random

[sullen dove]

we not been in this channel for like 2 months?

thane has been better

now reaps got nerfed more

[odd crater]

BIS Weapon Enchants = Berzerkers Rage?

[feral ivy]

oh i saw that the 20 went to now 30 but i htought the 100% if there was more than 3 target still up

[sullen dove]

acuity of rendorei probably but sim

[sullen dove]

30 went to 20

[odd crater]

66 Str > 125 Haste then for weap enchants?

[sullen dove]

probably

but again can sim and find out

[young swan]

yeah mainstat is broken

[covert blaze]

https://giphy.com/gifs/blue-archive-hoshino-takahashi-mlLLkiLcdtbhuG2DFQ

[fair wharf]

soooo is there a number on how much stronger thane is than slayer in m+? what if I really like bladestorm and reap

[sullen dove]

youll be fine in like vault keys

as with any season

if u want to push like 15s and up tho probably trolling a bit more

but if not then who cares ya kno

[feral ivy]

but there is still the 100% or did they remove that?

[sullen dove]

it still exists but also slated to be removed in 0.5 unless they revert

which lol

[young swan]

idk if the simmermen are ready to release that but its a lot in aoe

idk about m+ specifically

[undone flower]

Imminent demise is the talent with the 100%

[feral ivy]

ahhh

[verbal kestrel]

Piercing Howl's cooldown increased to 90 seconds (was 30 seconds) lol lmao even

[modest condor]

yeah useless ability now

[young swan]

yeah just gonna swap that node to fearless

[zinc python]

Is fury back boys?

[vocal thorn]

no way

[balmy shore]

hi xan

[young swan]

i fux wit thane heavy

[balmy shore]

can u tell phased he is dumb

[young swan]

hi jackie!

[balmy shore]

:3

[balmy shore]

thank u

[young swan]

slayer sucks tho

nerubar was ruined by 5 consecutive nerfs i was miserable

[balmy shore]

he asked "why did xan call me idiot" (he perma sits in our guild vc)

i like slayer more than thane ngl

just on vibes

not numbers or anything

[young swan]

yeah i just think thane rn is very fun

prio swapping on target count and health % good for brain

[balmy shore]

that's true

[young swan]

i can feel the wrinkles coming backl

[balmy shore]

xd

[young swan]

it just feels like slayer is missing a button

literally only 3 good buttons

[balmy shore]

oh 100%

moreso now

[young swan]

onslaught would unironically be such a good fit....

[balmy shore]

ig let me rephrase i like the class fantasy/idea of slayer more than thane*

bc playing warrior to me means execute and swords and not lightning

[modest condor]

thane during avatar owns

big clappa

[balmy shore]

i also don't have any attachment to thane

or i mean uh

[young swan]

yeah i get that

[balmy shore]

thunderclap*

[modest condor]

i dont have any attachment to either spec, i slightly prefer slayer because whirlwind has no cooldown but otherwise ill just play the stronger one

[balmy shore]

thunderclap used to be a big thing right

before the hero talents

[modest condor]

it is a big thing right now

[balmy shore]

no i mean BEFOLE

bEFORE

[modest condor]

we didnt have clap before hero talents

[balmy shore]

oh then why am i thinking ppl had a nostalgic attachment to it

[prisma cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/excited-im-so-excited-shimmy-shaq-happy-gif-6236349190649248976

[balmy shore]

i just think big sword and big spin is good and i play warrior for that

not for lightning

[modest condor]

yeah go play shaman if you like lightning

[balmy shore]

that's what im sayin

u get it

[sullen dove]

unholy still better

but not as much its ok now

[fickle stirrup]

Why are we acting like Thunderclap and lightning aren't a thematically Warrior thing? lol
When HTs were first revealed MT was one of the few trees that was praised for being actually thematic to the class

[balmy shore]

i was introduced to wow and warrior in sl so i didn't think it was thematic personally

[zinc python]

it goes all the way back to the mountain king in warcraft 3

[fickle stirrup]

For Prot mostly I guess, if we want to play semantics 🤧

[sullen dove]

bring back condemn

[drowsy heron]

Thane is cool thematically, just feel like the execution is a little lackluster

Slayer feels more Fury to me

but changes for Midnight have been great for both

[balmy shore]

ye so it's not rly fury

[sullen dove]

i mean lets keep it a buck u barely even feel like youre playing slayer

only when you reap do you actually notice something happening

and after 0.5 you aint feelin shit lol

its just "warrior" youre playing

[thin parrot]

Do we already have guide lines on how to go about crafting? I'm assuming 2h weapon with veteran crests (with spark) and then recraft with better crests later, but do we go weap embellish or do we go for double embellish veteran crafts on gear like most classes (without spark)?

[fickle stirrup]

Which is why I said "class" and "mostly"
Fury can use TC

[sullen dove]

there'll probably be a post closer to or on tuesday but weapon prolly safe bet

you cant use veterans with spark

[balmy shore]

i was talking about fury specifically

[fickle stirrup]

If anything, I wish Fury wasnt kneecapped by the HTs being shared and they got something more towards Enrage or Rampage

[sullen dove]

veteran is 246, spark with nothing is 259 which u probably could make week 1 then recraft to myth the week after

[balmy shore]

i want more berserker vibes with fury

[zinc python]

i think we take the weapon embellishment for now

[thin parrot]

Oh didn't realize that, so we are just crafting double veteran embellish like anyone else or?

[sullen dove]

you might craft a veteran embell if its that epic idk how good embells really will be since a couple got changed

[fickle stirrup]

I agree

[sullen dove]

but like idk more of a next week thing

and regardless of weapon embell u prolly still just always like making weapons

[prisma cobalt]

no. war is more badass dk does not have a charge or hero jump

[sullen dove]

they got a horse

imo more aura

[thin parrot]

I'm asking cause most of my guildies are crafting double veteran embellish to go into heroic week, but i'm not sure what to tell them lol

[zinc python]

it depends on the class

[sullen dove]

yea i mean youll be able to craft em on tuesday probably

i think people are talking about like arcanoweave lining or something i guess

[zinc python]

i believe you want to craft weapon with embellishment this week

[sullen dove]

if you have to decide on something like instantly for some reason

[thin parrot]

No not istantly, i was just wondering if we already had clear info, but i guess i'll wait for the info updates

[undone flower]

thunderclap every other gcd is thematic of one of our spec since bfa, it is the prot curse on dps war, like rend, like avatar

[balmy shore]

o then i am not a knower

i am an sl baby

[sullen dove]

rend aware

[balmy shore]

hi swordish

[undone flower]

Unstoppable force is the old prot talent / whatever surge now on thane tree

[fickle stirrup]

At what target count do we hit TC every other global?

[sullen dove]

https://tenor.com/view/america-ya-gif-15374592095658975433

[sullen dove]

7+ apparently but i just kinda like doin it all the time basically

0 thought

unless its actually like 3 mobs then wont be doin allat

[fickle stirrup]

Ahhh, okay
I kinda defaulted to only doing TC every other global when Reck falls off
And TB when it procs during Reck in AoE*

Aside from refreshing the WW buff

[sullen dove]

yea should p much be all the time in a big pack with cds

ramp > tc > ramp > tc > ramp

[fickle stirrup]

Aye aye! 🫡
Tyty

[sullen dove]

can bb when rage not at risk of overcapping

but yea the worst feeling part about it is sometimes u rly just dont hit bb for like 10 seconds

[fickle stirrup]

Could Rampage procing TB "fix" that?

[sullen dove]

uh.. like using the ability? or giving it a charge

either way dont think it changes what you do

honestly if they just like reduced the rage reduction could make you bb more

cuz rn ramp only spending like 50 rage during cds is kinda too little

regenerate it rly fast

[fickle stirrup]

As in giving you a chance to proc TB so youre not sitting there raw dogging TCs without pressing BT/BB

[sullen dove]

o yea i mean that would be a little better sure but tc is still just huge dmg in aoe

[tepid solar]

Is any class getting nerfed on the ptr? Seems like other specs are getting a similar buff

[fickle stirrup]

True lol

[sullen dove]

ya the big hitters got nerfed

unholy hard, devourer somehow not very hard lol, evoker tiny bit, warlock semi hard

[tepid solar]

Gotcha lol

[modest condor]

meanwhile feral got buffed

[sullen dove]

goat

balance also 20% buff lol

[covert blaze]

i'm semi hard atm

[tepid solar]

Yeah my buddy plays druid and he said he had a buff too

[sullen dove]

me asf

[covert blaze]

swordish when lilia

[tepid lily]

ferals are decent

I saw one fighting vs a mage

mage obv won

[sullen dove]

goat

[tepid lily]

(imo) fury needs 5% more and arms 15% more

[sullen dove]

arms def needs that fury's probably fine but wont be if they dont do something else other than whats planned for .5 lol

[tepid lily]

and I can be satisfied

oh yeah the .5 patch notes

[undone flower]

Idk I’m vibing to let the heroic week pass

[tepid lily]

we still have time to get them feedback, literally saying NO

leave it like it is

[undone flower]

Now I want to see actual dmg, I WANT LOGS

[sullen dove]

yea that definitely works haha...

maybe 1 out of 10 times tbh

they sometimes listen when its like an absolutely egregious change like monk debuff going from 5% to 8%

[frosty orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-funny-memes-gif-1206571343604662541

[fiery hare]

Dam rets are pumping in aoe

[valid pulsar]

guys will we play thane in raid after the tuning ?

oh no

[white grove]

did slayer get nerfed more?

wtf

[valid pulsar]

i dont know how big the 30%->20% bt procc chance change for reap is

but for thane its just a net win

[inland flame]

Wake me up when they rework Rampaging Ruin

I'll take the aura buff tho

[valid pulsar]

i just want to reap they shattered my dreams of playing slayer in m+

[inland flame]

They let us have that sweet taste of reaping all the things with the Manaforge set just to rip all of the reaping away

[timber hare]

Fuck em, still doing slayer in keys 😤

[valid pulsar]

i might actually still go slayer in keys xD

[timber hare]

Yeah never been a fan of thane

[valid pulsar]

its okay i can play it if its really that much better but slayer is where the fun is

for me at least

[inland flame]

It insults my brane in a way that the Bladestorm build isn't the better one in keys like Bladestorm should be the keys ability

Don't mind Thane but still

[warm crag]

brane

[valid pulsar]

do you guys know a good addon to get rid of spell glow

procc glow for thane

[fiery hare]

I want my sct back 🙁

[oblique raft]

what should be crafted during the first week of raid?

sorry i dont know what to do yet

[inland flame]

For Fury weapon is a safe bet since we have two hands

But could wait to see if you luck out on one ig

[valid pulsar]

i will craft a weapon first 259 and then upgrade second weapon for free. cloak wirst later i guess

[inland flame]

Yeah offhand upgrade is a thing too

I don't mythic raid so I'm 100% sending a weapon

[ember garden]

I thought thane was already better or no

Why did they nerf slayer

[valid pulsar]

you are asking the good questions

[inland flame]

Really feels like they want us to cleave as Thane and ST as Slayer and never the other way around

Which feels a shame

[tepid solar]

What is the first Tuesday we can open a vault? Is it the week m+ opens? This preseason is too long lol

[ember garden]

Personally I don’t like thane play style so it sucks they are widening the gap even more for aoe

[inland flame]

I definitely like Slayer better but it is what it is

[valid pulsar]

i am pretty sure its stil a buff for slayer overall due to the 10% flat we get no ?

[tepid solar]

I like thane but miss bs

[valid pulsar]

a little less reap proccs from bt i guess ?

[timber hare]

We shall soon find out

[valid pulsar]

will the 10% flat dmg increase make up for it

[young swan]

its definitely a possibility

[edgy widget]

Thane is very close in ST already, so as long as adds are constant/live long enough, then it'll probably have a place

but that's hard to quantify until we actually get into the raid and get a feel for how its tuned - if adds flop quick or simply aren't important to kill, then Slayer will probably remain the standard

[brittle mauve]

but thane still surefire for keys eh?

I love thane

[young swan]

yep

[brittle mauve]

Hell ya

[novel oasis]

They are changing slayer in another patch where ww triggers reap

I thought I saw it applying rend I might have misread that

[inland flame]

They forgot to mention that they're reverting Bladestorm to Classic style where it literally spams the spell Whirlwind

[young swan]

not for like 8 weeks

[inland flame]

I wonder what WW is going to be better than on AoE, what the build's gonna look like

[novel oasis]

Arms
Mortal Wounds now triggers from Mortal Strike and Slam (was Mortal Strike and Cleave).
Colossus
Practiced Strikes now increases Mortal Strike and Slam damage by 15% and Cleave and Whirlwind damage by 15%.
Slayer
Reap the Storm now triggers when Whirlwind or Cleave hits 3 or more targets. Chance to trigger changed to 15% (was 20%).
Imminent Demise no longer causes Sudden Death to trigger Reap the Storm.
Unrelenting Onslaught now also increases damage dealt by Bladestorm by 20%.
Fury
Hack and Slash has been redesigned – Rampage has 100% chance to refund a charge of Raging Blow.
Improved Whirlwind now causes Whirlwind to apply Rend to all targets if Rend is known.
Slayer
Reap the Storm now triggers when Whirlwind hits 3 or more targets. Chance to trigger changed to 15% (was 30%).
Imminent Demise no longer causes Sudden Death to trigger Reap the Storm.
Unrelenting Onslaught now increases damage dealt by Bladestorm by 20%

Yea but still it’s a good aoe change no?

[young swan]

uh

which part

slayer already kind wanted to press rend in aoe anyways, its better because you dont have to think about rend but it would be just as good if they removed it and just put more damage into our other abilities

the reap change is really awful

[novel oasis]

I dunno I don’t do maths 🥹

[covert blaze]

hi xan

[young swan]

hi zhai

hru

[round kelp]

nah this we dont lose as much when downtime happens

[stiff oriole]

are there any rough estimations on the dmg changes for fury patch notes?

[round kelp]

guys i've heard someth about getttttttttttttt

[young swan]

~10%

[covert blaze]

bored i wanna do the raid instead of slop open world content

[young swan]

tell me about it

i had to spend 200k on enchants today

[stiff oriole]

wouldnt the reap the storm change be pretty noticeable?

[young swan]

want to blow it off

[stiff oriole]

for ST

[young swan]

eh

not that much

[round kelp]

do we get a discount for offhande craft after 4 spark mainhand craft?

[young swan]

i mean in aoe definitely

but thane was already better there anyway

[young swan]

unless if something drastic changed, no

[stiff oriole]

yea ig i meant for slayer ST specifically

[young swan]

u will lose like 0.1% less dps

[stiff oriole]

ig overwhelm stacks are fake i was thinking it gave executioners stacks

but looking at sims reap is like 8-10% of ur dmg so nerfing the proc rate in half would be ~4-5% or am i making numbers up

[edgy widget]

not for craft, but for upgrades yes

[modest condor]

reap doesnt just come from bt

also it's not half

it's 33% of ~40%

[round kelp]

hummmm, so mainhand> embelish cuz more offhand ilvl?

[brittle crow]

that's more gold than i could possibly spend..

[edgy widget]

higher item level should always go in your mainhand, yes

[unborn delta]

does 10% dmg buff mean we do 10% more dmg sowe're over 100k now

[brittle crow]

i need at least 300k on me for gambling purposes and im only at 315ish rn

[unborn delta]

or is the reap the storm nerf big enough w earent sim above 100k

[young swan]

im at 700k

[unborn delta]

😮

[round kelp]

ty

[young swan]

i wager i will be down to 200k by the end of next week

[unborn delta]

700k dps crazy

nerf fury

[young swan]

yeah im exploiting

[stiff oriole]

oh i thought it was 20% to 10%, i misremembered. But does the attatched image imply that its only BT procs that are getting nerfed?

[unborn delta]

using 14 weapons

https://giphy.com/gifs/badass-sword-anime-edit-U8fhZ6bL4gm0eZ7NJH

this shoulda been our apex talent 😔

[inland flame]

Waiting for our new Apex, Thitan's Gwip, which lets us have three weapons.

[edgy widget]

yes, Sudden Death Reap is guaranteed (for now)

[unborn delta]

3rd weapon gets equipped in helmet slot

[stiff oriole]

awesome thanks for the info all

yea changing in .0.5 right

[pastel bronze]

Has someone matged out slayer v thane now for ST?

[edgy widget]

Slayer is still > Thane, though not by much

[winter shoal]

I wish thane didn't feel like such ass during reck man

[digital ore]

Do we know if we craft weapon next week or double weak slots for embellishments?

[warped gyro]

Reap buff pretty big for slayer aoe right? You guys think slayer will be picked over for thane for mplus now?

[young swan]

it got nerfed

[warped gyro]

Oh

Misread it , thane it is 🙂

[edgy widget]

I don't think it does, I quite enjoy the clappa

Love how potent Thunder Clap feels now and not having to gamble for Blast

[brittle crow]

monster hunter

[rare garnet]

i like the rotation i hate the animation

stomp stomp stomp its like my todler

[edgy widget]

embrace your inner child

[winter shoal]

Just too many competing priorities that all feel like they should matter and then you just TC anyways

[fiery edge]

when will we get Xan's fury rework concept

[sullen dove]

its cringe to not hit bb for like 12+ seconds

apex shouldnt reduce rage cost and give something else then u can actually hit it in cds

[edgy widget]

yeah, tbh they really should have nerfed Storm Surge to 33%, that way the rotation would just be
Ramp - BB - TC - Ramp - BB - TC
though I'm not sure if it would have been that clean in practice, since you'd waste potential Apex stacks using Rampage every 3rd GCD

but for what it is, I don't hate it; I'm glad it at least feels impactful

I think the real failure is that you could skip over Executioner's Wrath/Reckless Abandon, but there just aren't any other useful talents left to take

[sullen dove]

enraged regen yep cocka

[edgy widget]

can already take that anyway just by dropping Massacre

[young girder]

What’s the thane st build

[edgy widget]

look at a guide

[crystal summit]

I've been doing an alternate rotation building around RB and auto attack speed and it's quite fun. Though during execute I'd probably focus more on bloodthirst and execute for the execution DMG and just try and keep the attack speed buff up as much as I can

[edgy widget]

you go girl

[crystal summit]

I do like 38k DMG on my opener as the normal ST build but it equals out to about 31k by time I go through a few CD cycles

My RB auto attack speed build does about 28.5-30k after a few cycles

Also tried it with thane since RB gets a chance for lightning. Strikes but it's around 29k max and more like 28 really

[young girder]

No build for thane ST in the guide only seeing slayer st

Thane just m+!

[edgy widget]

look at another guide

[crystal summit]

I think method . GG has a mt st guide or at least talents

[young girder]

Thank you!

[edgy widget]

there's like a whole page of this stuff

[rare garnet]

I looked at a method guide once when i was playing hunter that said orc was the best race by far for bm because of the pet passive damage, during the era where tauren was simming 2% higher, and ive never been back to that site

[crystal summit]

Yeah none of em are all perfect gotta use a few different sources and then do dummies to test things out

[rare garnet]

archi is perfect

[valid pulsar]

I am looking at the slayer st prio during cooldowns and it puts bloodbath and ramp under 100 rage above execute. Even if we have 2 stacks sd ?

[edgy widget]

the likelihood of ever getting 3 rapid Sudden Death procs before pressing Execute is slim to none

[crystal summit]

It gets close sometimes lol plus rage capping during bladestorm pisses me off lol

[edgy widget]

you either get a 3rd proc or you don't, there's no measurement of proximity

[valid pulsar]

i see that make sense so during cooldowns we always send a bloodbath or ramp before we consume sd since we most likely do not sit at 2 stacks sd anways. And outside cooldowns we send sd immediately if not over 100 rage because we do not have the rampage cost reduction and bloodbath anymore i guess ?

[dry talon]

Why odins fury goes before reck and ava,becouse of enrage?

[edgy widget]

yes, and most of its damage is in the dot rather than the initial hit, so using cooldowns after allocates more cooldown time to Rampage and Thunder Clap instead

that said, the difference between using CDs -> OF is extremely minimal

[dry talon]

And why thunder blast with 2 charges gets higher priority,then one charge?

[hardy cargo]

it caps at 2 charges and u dont want to munch procs

[valid pulsar]

The wording confused you i guess. You thunderblast has higher prio if you have 2 stacks of the procc buff. You obviously do not want to waste one

[dry talon]

Ye but its like if you got one,u shouldnt press it and wait for 2 charge to finish cd

Oh okey

Ty for info

[fair cave]

man blizzard on fire with slayer nerfs

[bleak bluff]

hello all!
just saw the great news!
fury flat 10% increase!
so we can just assume our dps meters to go up by 10% or is there more math involved?!

[sullen dove]

pretty much

[fiery edge]

"great news"

[sullen dove]

slayer additionally small nerf so not exactly but yes for thane

[bleak bluff]

well its better than a nerf lol

[random shadow]

Would like more buffs but happy that its not a nerf

[fiery edge]

we're always nerf

[valid pulsar]

its like good news bundled with bad news because i like slayer more but i guess its still overall a buff for both hero talents i assume

idk i always hated math so

[craggy sleet]

Its why we play warrior

Math bad

[bleak bluff]

i also saw pally buffs.
pally was in a better position compared to arms but got a overall 18% buff.... so unexpected

[young swan]

ret is like 15% better than us now

feral 20%

[wary fjord]

its cause they need to keep the ret happy or they will nuke their discord

[young swan]

unholy 10%

the delta between top and bottom is still enormous

it would surprise me if there wasnt additional tuning for mythic week

[craggy sleet]

Repeat season 1 of tww, fhry way too good at sniping squishy adds and we get 3 to 4 rounds of nerfs

[wary fjord]

too bad we dont nuke the discord

[timid fractal]

didnt they say, one tuning for normal/hero week, and one at the begining of mythic?

[young swan]

no idea

[fair cave]

there will for sure another patch. Next week people can do more mythic dungeons = more data for tuning

[young swan]

its just the way they did it last xpac

[fair cave]

you can expect another slayer nerf thogh

[orchid crag]

Idk why Warrior is getting nerfs... we arn't blasting the meters lol

[wary fjord]

they hate us

[valid pulsar]

idk about you but i always blast meters

[young swan]

i did alright during my m0s

[stable stump]

5

[valid pulsar]

i had a lot of fun as mm in m0

[orchid crag]

I'm stuck with a Frost Mage / Demo Lock... I might catch them on certian trash pulls.. but was outclassed hard

[valid pulsar]

its quite fun if you dont have to cancel 3 aimed shot casts in a row due to movement

[orchid crag]

I think if we want great numbers we need Enhance / Monk with us

[brittle crow]

so in bigger aoe

when ur doing ramp -> clap -> ramp -> clap

and eventually that clap doesnt put u over 100 rage

you'd do clap -> bloodbath -> clap

despite that overcapping you?

cuz you dont ramp at like, 90 rage
then u bloodbath and now ur at like 115
then u clap and u cap

[spark horizon]

Guyd how are we looking in the raid?

[brittle crow]

better than arms

[slim coral]

What’s your question

I can answer if you make it more clear

[brittle crow]

clap if overcap

overclap, if you will

[slim coral]

Profile wise very good

[slim coral]

It’s probably ok to clap it kind of depends imo, Ideally you don’t want to waste rage so you’d rather rampage

[brittle crow]

i saw the new prio list in avatar has clap at 6+ targets above ramp at 100+ rage

[slim coral]

Again it depends on some factors

In avatar yes

Sorry didn’t see avatar mentioned at all

[brittle crow]

i didnt mention it :3

sowwy

[edgy widget]

it's not actually that it's higher than Rampage, so much as it's higher than Bloodbath

• the real difference is that >6 targets you keep TC and Rampage on "cooldown"
• with <6 targets, you keep using Rampage and Bloodbath, with TC falling in between BB's cooldown

[brittle crow]

using bloodbath is the root cause of confusion here

[edgy widget]

strictly speaking that list could be written either way (Ramp @ 100 > TC @ 6+, or TC @ 6+ > Ramp @ 100) and it would work out the same either way most of the time

[brittle crow]

cuz of this

happens a lot

if i press bb, then either clap or ramp is getting delayed

[edgy widget]

yep, it does happen

[brittle crow]

ive just been pressing bb and then clap in that case

losing a single digit number of rage during reck feels less bad than losing a whole bb bleed

thats feelycraft tho

[orchid crag]

So whats the play for crafting... Weapon first or just say fuck it and get Bracer / Cloak done

[brittle crow]

wait for potential tuning

99% the play is weapon tho

[bleak harness]

Weapon sounds good if u dont have chance at a high weap from the raid

[edgy widget]

this is correct

[brittle crow]

im goated

[edgy widget]

the difference is about... 1% in favor of keeping TC on cooldown, depending on the number of targets

[brittle crow]

is the number at 6 because fury natty hits 5

so at 5 u just press regular buttons

[bleak harness]

Pretty much yea

[edgy widget]

technically it's >6, so 7+

[gentle rapids]

eeeey 10% flat damage buff 😄 😄 😄 we do exist!!!!

[edgy widget]

but its one of those things where it just starts becoming increasingly better w/ more targets

I don't expect anyone to actually stand around and count how many targets there are

• if there's a lot, use TC
• if there's a little, favor BT

[bleak harness]

Too bad they touched reap thou 🙁

[brittle crow]

my ass has been counting ngl

[gentle rapids]

Yeah but if you play Thane that's a buff in itself

[brittle crow]

or at least going "more than 6" or "less than 6" at a glance

[bleak harness]

Slayer is more fun for me at least

[edgy widget]

honestly, Thane is pretty forgiving - as long as you keep spamming Clap and Rampage you'll be fine

[brittle crow]

it feels like a minor chance in rotation tho, because either way in avatar u cant press BB every other gcd

so ur clapping regardless

because ur ass is not pressing rb or execute over clap

my ass isnt, anyways

[bleak harness]

In 5 targets u do press execute thou

[edgy widget]

Yeah... although I think Thane is fun, I do think that's the biggest flaw - it doesn't really have the room to use other buttons during cooldowns, which feels like a major miss

[brittle crow]

im just sad that execute is getting shafted again

execute causing reaps was cool then they killed it

[gentle rapids]

Why do we need to use execute? Isn't BB and BT overall much higher in damage? For me execute feels like a worse filler than RB

In Thane I mean

[brittle crow]

its not

generates more rage

does more damage

raging blow does auto attack damage now

[gentle rapids]

So it has prio when it procs?

[edgy widget]

probably a super popular idea, but I think the real solution is nerfing Storm Surge to -33% CDR (allowing TC to be used every 3rd GCD instead of every other) and nerfing Apex 2 to Rampage @ 60 Rage instead of 50

Both of those combined should affect a 3-GCD rotation more so than the current 2-GCD one

• Ramp - TC - BB - Ramp - TC - BB - etc

[brittle crow]

that feels worse in a way

because then ur rotation is just

ramp tc bb

for 20 seconds

[edgy widget]

well not necessarily

You've got OF, you've got Sudden Death

[brittle crow]

OF used on pull, sudden death not used over BB or clap in aoe tho

[edgy widget]

but the point is to affect a more consistent rotation, because as you pointed out, the current one gets really muddled really quickly, when the first couple GCDs you can Rampage every other, and then halfway through you start to fill Rampage every 3rd instead

[edgy widget]

it could with some tuning

obviously you tune things around this

[brittle crow]

does execute cause lightning

[edgy widget]

yes, same proc rate as everything else

[brittle crow]

make it proc it more

boom fixed thane

[edgy widget]

Yeah maybe, that could be an interesting talent

[timber hare]

Any guesses how far behind slayer will be in m+ compared to thane?

[brittle crow]

that makes ur sd procs valueable

that makes ur execute phase more real than vc

[edgy widget]

Sudden Death guarantees a Lightning Strike or something

[brittle crow]

sd reap died so sd lightning could live

[edgy widget]

Slayer is a mess, but honestly the solution is super simple

just combine Reap into Slayer's Strike

[vague stump]

is the new slayers reap change just from blood procs?

or has sudden death now been nerfed a little too?

[stuck geyser]

do we ignore the fact that they constantly buff classes like feral that did well and now is doing 120k after another buffs, and we are still under 100k dps?

[brittle crow]

yes

[edgy widget]

a single ubiquitous proc with a standardized rate on all attacks removes the issue of overemphasizing one specific ability during a particular part of the rotation - Fury wouldn't be tempted to just spam Whirlwind, Arms' 2 target Sudden Deaths would be measured against 2 target Mortal Strikes, etc

[brittle crow]

ur brown class u get used to it

[edgy widget]

just BT

[brittle crow]

play one of the purple classes

either dh or warlock

[edgy widget]

just play DK

[stuck geyser]

nah im done mates

[edgy widget]

ok just go play final fantasy

see you in a week

[brittle crow]

id be tempted to play final fantasy but all my ffxiv friends say its worse than wow rn

[edgy widget]

always has been tbh

[lofty lotus]

BT has been nerfed?

[brittle crow]

no lie around the end of shadowlands i was tempted to try it
then they came out w/ dragonriding and i was like wow!

i can no longer play other mmos

[edgy widget]

#updates-midnight

[brittle crow]

i cant deal with the instanced world in ffxiv...

its so clunky

[sour thorn]

hi all. we ok with blue notes? dk discord is in shambles and i have both war and dk 😛

[lofty lotus]

im fine with that change ngl

20% is ok

[brittle crow]

"go play guild wars 2 then" get real

[lofty lotus]

0% tho...

[edgy widget]

its pretty shit, but doesn't matter since Thane already doms Slayer in multitarget anyway

[brittle crow]

i dont get why they nerfed it