fury

[vestal epoch]

Hey guys! What is your feeling about announced changes in 12.0.5?

Personnally I think they turbo burried arms into oblivion, straight into F or G tier... and I think even if there is a form of quality of life improvement with whirlwind applying rend, overall we get a very significant single target nerf and even aoe nerf... only whirlwind procs reap the storm, nothing else, with ONLY 15% proc rate and ONLY on 3+ targets? In wich multiverse is it good and necessary? It's the exact opposit of what made us suite good but far from meta in TWW s3... they just gutted us out of everything I think, or am i missing something?

[remote bobcat]

ww ww ww ramp ww ww ww ramp ww ww ww ramp ww ww ww ramp

[vestal epoch]

Even thane gets a 5% nerf on some spells if i'm not wrong, i don't have the patchnote in front of me right now

[remote bobcat]

this is not final tuning if thats what you're wondering

we're getting final tuning on march 17th

[vestal epoch]

Yes but how in hell do they even think of this in the first place? The whirlwind applying rend is really good. Everything else? Pure BS

[remote bobcat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1333755767714611230/0128.gif

[native wadi]

Warrior is dommed

[unreal onyx]

Reroll time

Like every pre-season

[native wadi]

😂😂😂

[vestal epoch]

It's like the scene in the moovie with Jim Carrey, I don't know the english name, where he is a cop and have a double personnality. When they hit a cow on the road, they thought the cow was dead, but nope so he shot her, again, and again, and again, and again... this is how I feel about what they do to us, we are already on the ground, trying to survive and then:

[remote bobcat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1128242149377462306/1436738385632035018/abizty.gif

[vestal epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/bad-movies-rule-bmr-me-myself-and-irene-well-that-was-tough-i-think-we-did-the-right-thing-gif-11334216066681032639

[shy knot]

The changes dont seem bad ?

[vestal epoch]

Never, I'm a warrior main since 21+ years, since like 1-2 months after the game released, I will never change main. But it won't stop me from complaining and talking about it, just like every hardcore warrior hearts out there no matter the spec, we are all passionate about war

[unreal onyx]

I only started in 2020 but I've also only played warrior/ fury so yea ofc

[vestal epoch]

Look at it closely. The only good thing is rend on WW. 100% raging blow refresh is weird but ok, everything else destroys both our single target and aoe

[fossil orbit]

Agree! Reroll = quit wow

Theres one and one class only!

[vestal epoch]

Yep mate, same team! ❤️

[blissful hound]

Grow up

lol

[heavy galleon]

Do what I do, if warrior suxx, change game 🤣

[unreal onyx]

Cant give up on my one trick pony character with guaranteed raidslot since no one else wants to play it for some reason

[heavy galleon]

Warrior is a popular class, if they balance warrior well, so many player will play warrior.
That's why they don't want warrior being too good for the game

[fading sky]

also dmg range doesnt matter

[blissful hound]

Warrior is pretty mid in terms of popularity iirc

[fading sky]

sure aint hunter or RET

[heavy galleon]

Because many people play meta and warrior is not meta

[vestal epoch]

It's not the topic, we (Warriors main otp) don't want to meta slave or change main every season. We don't even ask to be goated everytime, even if one time would be good (we are the ONLY class that NEVER since M+ was released had one single dps spec considered meta at least one season), we just want to be viable and good. With theese changes, i doom. Thane should be relatively ok, but slayer takes it so hard imo i don't know if even in single target it will remain viable

[blissful hound]

Fury warrior was meta in phys comp all of TWW, technically

Ah well not season 2

[heavy galleon]

But class like warrior, DH are very very popular. So when they are strong, many people play it

[undone zinc]

What is with the changes next week?

[fading sky]

season 3 prot warrior was

so i dno

[heavy galleon]

Arms warrior were Meta at Legion

[blissful hound]

groups with BRM played Fury

[vestal epoch]

Kind of true xD but hey, we only have the shammy passive on a 3min cd while they can give it 100% of the time, and we got a very fancy 30% moove speed roar!! And a range kick that only works against cc vulnérable targets...

[heavy galleon]

Buff are so wrong to balance on M+

[vestal epoch]

Never in M+, and it was never true meta

[blissful hound]

true meta will never exist

[heavy galleon]

Imagine the synergie between a warrior and mage 🤣

[blissful hound]

Synergies matter too much

[heavy galleon]

Ofc on M+ having buff monk, warrior buff and shaman buff is a way too strong than playing a warrior with a mage for exemple

[fading sky]

and this is FUN

[heavy galleon]

Mage are often meta so

[fading sky]

as long as Phys comp can compete with the caster meta compo

im good

[vestal epoch]

We talk about a dps spec. Prot was really good yeah, and still is. But if you want to dps you just can't. Like, s3 i was full myth gear, i was "only" 3.1k rio because i don't like to push without friends and i was just a little but behind a ret paly that did 19+, but was refused back to back even in 10's... even if i did twice the damage of the second when miraculously i was taken

[heavy galleon]

They played with something around mage

[vestal epoch]

In raid, not m+

[fading sky]

prot was the best tank in s3

[heavy galleon]

Ofc yes arms warrior were so strong at Legion s1

[fading sky]

and i have 0 issues AT ALL gettin into keys as fury

until 19s

like 0 issue

so i have no idea what grps u were signing to

heck i got grps as arms in 12-17s

pretty fast

[compact canopy]

I felt like they were missing the -improved- on the whirlwind change for slayer fury. Would be fine if they did, no?

[heavy galleon]

Dépend on game time

[fading sky]

Mornings and evenings

no issues

but also if u stop at 3.1k rio u will struggle get into keys

[heavy galleon]

When I had full Time playing, I find party so easy

[fading sky]

later in season, because ppl have Better gear and more rio

[shy knot]

Yeah no other class scratches that itch

[fading sky]

it is what it is

like

[vestal epoch]

If you had 3700+ maybe, but even with 3.2k it was not my experience

[heavy galleon]

I mean it's depend if you are on the top on the wave or under

[shy knot]

No matter if its retail or classic war

[fading sky]

because ppl with 3500 sign m8

did u try to do ya own keys ?

coz like if u sit at 3100 rio, u will NOT get into keys

[heavy galleon]

When you can play 16h per day, ofc you have no trouble

[fading sky]

i dont at all

have that time

[shy knot]

Most important is playing from the season start

Or youre fucked

[fading sky]

yup

and pushing

if for nothing else, coz its easierr to get into 10s if u have done all 15s

easily as well ^_^

[undone flower]

Constantly be ahead of the rio hell

[heavy galleon]

The M+ system suxx

[fading sky]

nah

its pretty ok

its just how life works m8

[shy knot]

Its better than pvp system

[blissful hound]

Has little to do with M+ itself yeah

[fading sky]

u apply for job... 100 applicatans 90 have better Resume

[heavy galleon]

But people have no respect behind a screen

[fading sky]

why would they hire u

[shy knot]

If you have no life pushing rio is super easy

[heavy galleon]

It's not the same as the life when you are behind your screen

[blissful hound]

You can have a life and be top 0.1% though

So what is that argument

[fading sky]

No life doesnt really hit until like 18-19s

[heavy galleon]

That's true

[fading sky]

as a pug

[shy knot]

The best players play at like 1am and past

[undone flower]

Why would they have respect for internet strangers, or names on resumes

[fading sky]

thats where i saw i could NOT get inv

and i had to give up coz i dont have the time

[shy knot]

Ofc but you need friends

[vestal epoch]

That's the deal. I did mine as a prot because it formed nearly instant, as fury you wait a long time. And also sorry but all this rio BS is true BS, so long boosting exists it will strictly never mean anything. And without boosting, it is just an indication but not a Universal truth of a player's skill

[blissful hound]

If you dont wanna socialize in an MMO thats on you

[fading sky]

so what u saying is

u had RIO ONLY as prot

and dont understand why ppl didnt invite u as dps ?

[shy knot]

With a job pugging as dps warrior in peak hours is not a good time investment

Make your own or guild

[fading sky]

i say again i have very little issues, but u gotta choose ya keys tbh

and ofc as said, its a BIG adv if u actually have some m8s

not even ness guildies.

[shy knot]

Warriors also have a stigma

[fading sky]

i tend to add all good players i meet in m+

[shy knot]

Dps wars

[fading sky]

that way when ever one of em have a key going i get a foot in the door

[shy knot]

Cuz alot of them are completely clueless

[undone flower]

Stigma balls

[fading sky]

yup

[vestal epoch]

No i was 3.1k+ on tank, dps and heal

[heavy galleon]

Now I play for fun, when it's not fun, I just do other thing.
No matter to being sad because of wow

[fading sky]

ok but on warrior u were ?

[vestal epoch]

Yep

[fading sky]

y i would never inv 3100

[shy knot]

Do pvp kek

[fading sky]

sry but for real so many useless ppl at 3100

esp late season

[heavy galleon]

I'll do some Blizt, I like that

[fading sky]

i will Assume that is your Skillcap

if i dont know u

Resume matters

[undone flower]

Tbf I would invite 3100, in a 10-12 bc I take the first who apply for those

[heavy galleon]

And just farm some 10 on M+ to being a little bit gear

[fading sky]

ye but what kind of ppl usually sign

like i also just take ppl, my point is more if its Prime time he plays

being 3100 late season

ye inv chance is minimum if u arent tanking

[shy knot]

Blitz is super chill

[vestal epoch]

Dude, i was litteraly on par with a 3900+ paly in a priory 13... is it what you expect from a 3.1k dps warrior?

[fading sky]

13

who cares

shit dies 2 fast

[shy knot]

Yes

[vestal epoch]

He ended like 11.5m dps and i was at 11m

[blissful hound]

What happens in a low key doesnt matter too much ngl

[undone flower]

ME so yes I understand why they don’t take if you have 50 happy in 0.5 sec applying

[shy knot]

Ret pals are usually boosted

[fading sky]

did u do stuns // interrupts // cc

[rare garnet]

Dude fury was the 3rd most title played melee well above ret last season it was a you issue not a fury issue faster you fix your mental better you can slam

[fading sky]

yeah

as i said

[fading sky]

0 arms

😭

[vestal epoch]

Well F me i guess ^^ by popular vote!

[fading sky]

i mean as i said

its a you issue if u cant get into keys

as Fury

it was one of the strongest dps specs esp in lower keys

u just killed bosses

[shy knot]

That ranged is SAD

fucking bm hunter

[undone flower]

My casual friend rat some key lvl from me early so he doesn’t have a big dps queue until later

[fading sky]

it was MAD though

[vestal epoch]

So why when I was invited I ALWAYS was head and shoulders above everyone else, in dps, kicks etc? If rio reflects everything

[fading sky]

well lets c

u stopped at 3100 rio

didnt even try to push ya self

[rare garnet]

If you’re a pugger just gotta stay above the curve man. That means get gear early and push as much IO week 1/2 even though it’s “worthless” you need the most pristine resume cause every key that lists has 8272838^12 DPS signed up.

[jolly marten]

Wow has become a very alt friendly game, easy to reroll so ppl will choose first the best dps spec and after this the easiest

[vestal epoch]

Not in pugs, never yeah. I hate pugs

[undone flower]

It’s like 12s-13s so exactly my weekly keys

[fading sky]

i mean pugging is Fantastic

you meet new ppl

its very enjoyable

u just 100% have to get above keylevels of ppl like you no offense m8 but fr

[shy knot]

When I no lifed the game back in BfA being on top of the dps every dung and not dying made me friends= no more pugging

[fading sky]

10-12 was fuckin cursed with idiots

and toxic morons

[shy knot]

But you gotta play alot lol

[undone flower]

You are allowed to message ppl

[jolly marten]

I always believed that specs that are easy should have the worst throughput

[shy knot]

Nah

Im not into that

[fading sky]

as i said, i pug early try to push am polite

friendlist any1 decent

put a M+ note on em

slowly building a grp of decent ppl i can play with, that arent the scrubs i have in my guild

[shy knot]

Yeah thats solid strat

[fading sky]

that helps a guy with little time

so still pugs

[rare garnet]

Every class in wow is generally pretty easy these days

[fading sky]

but being polite and friendly + always have good parses that they can c ofc gets u in

[shy knot]

If you got tank and heal buddy youre set

[fading sky]

like i know its dumb, but it helps

[lean heart]

these warrior changes are unreal lmao

[fading sky]

Sobie good changes

[shy knot]

Unreal stupid

[fading sky]

100%

Collosus is BIS NOW

all we need is a 100% aura buff

[lean heart]

im actually baffled

[vestal epoch]

I kind of understand, but going out of the hellpit in pug is well... hell xD and people still gives too much credit to a score that doesn't really reflects something real. I played with meta slave people that were dead meat, they litteraly got carried and acted like stars...

[fading sky]

so slayer dead Collosus god

[fading sky]

so again

u dont

[shy knot]

Yeah always

[fading sky]

if i C a META class

i seldomly inv em

unless they are known

or have a high rio

[shy knot]

Dude just riding the meta wave, high rio. Complete garbage

[fading sky]

because they are morons

• mages.. i never take mages

any class with to high of a skill floor

[shy knot]

Last season that was BM hunt

[fading sky]

yup

i took those

np

it was 50 / 50 either good or dead

^_^

nah but like FDK last tier, it was Very hard to be bad at that

and they had so many tools in M+ so i usually took those

[plush zephyr]

“If a guild member currently in the guild neighborhood is kicked or leaves the guild, they will now be teleported out of the guild neighborhood during their eviction. Their eviction notice should be visible after teleporting.”

This made me fucking lol

[undone flower]

Usually I took ppl with every key done to that lvl except my key

[fading sky]

we need more like u

[rare garnet]

Sure but how else do you judge an applicant it’s no different than real life but I’m gonna take a risk hiring the person with better qualifications and sure sometimes it don’t work out but if you have you’re GED applying for a senior engineer spot maybe you do have better skills and a bad resume but you’re not gonna get looked at man we got the info we go so change the things you can change

[fading sky]

yeah he kindda want a free ride without doing the work

[jolly marten]

True

[fading sky]

i mean have you tried UH DK

it requires PHD

theres 1 disease u gotta keep up

but u gotta press button twice

very brain

[plush zephyr]

A lot of people haven’t watched the 2 hour “it’s rude to suck at world of Warcraft” video. Should be a PSA.

[bleak harness]

Haha true , too hard

[fading sky]

but for real gettin 85%+ out of a class these days is VERY easy

[undone flower]

It’s usually around 100 rio range above me, I don’t check every time all their keys, sometimes I’m satanic and check raid logs

[fading sky]

like u gotta be pretty bad not to

[fading sky]

i will say, if i c a raid logger of 90+ in HC or MYthic

at least i know they like to parse // do a lot of dmg

usually shows a decent player

loads of M+ ppl that cant do dmg for shit, which slows down my key

[undone flower]

I used the archon addon mainly for m+

The one showing parses ingame

[fading sky]

yeah same

its just easy

[undone flower]

• it is funny to be in Dornogal and you see damn this random dude is stonk

[fading sky]

yup

• mine parses usually are decent so i can stroke my own ego

😉

a bit of strokin is good

[deft palm]

How much ST dps are you guys doing

238 ilvl im averaging 32k but i feel like thats low

[undone flower]

Last time I checked it was maybe 30-35k

[fading sky]

yeah in dungeon

something like that

if u wanna do more, u can always EAT a combat pot and SLAP !

[undone flower]

Yeah in dungeon I don’t do dummy training

[rare garnet]

It’s only a 12% DPS loss to play fury as only BT > Rampage > Ex and have 25% downtime without all the fillers bound. So this checks out.

[fading sky]

Rb so strong ^^

[fading sky]

also do u play thane or slaye

kindda important q

i usually just meme as slayer so i do a bit more st

Slayer meme is dead when we hit patch .5 so i might actually just only play slayer until then for the lulz

[deft palm]

Thane for m0

[fading sky]

ok well then id say thats just fine

its very very fight dependant

if u lust

if u use combat pots

stuff like that rly matters

[deft palm]

Ok cool. Also i asked this before but i dont ever rampage at 80 rage right? Like if im at 80 rage im going to want to hit BT then raging blow then rampage right?

[fading sky]

i mean

all depends

are u enraged

[rare garnet]

They better cook something cause I don’t not wanna be slayer 🙁

[fading sky]

id deffo send the BT OFC

[fading sky]

make it 15% PER target hit

so we just SPAM WW in aoe

WW WW WWWWWWWWWW Rampage WWWWWWWWW rampage

KEK

oh y

Bladestorm

we just KEEP spinnin

[deft palm]

Yea

[fading sky]

bt then what ever u like i guess

i dont think it matters to much rly

[vestal epoch]

I was gonna say look at the raid progress, if it's 8/8mm it's sus of boosting, but warcraftlog is your friend. I was 7/8 mm, of true progress. I can't be that bad untill 15+, at least. But I know I lack the experience of survivability in high keys, the damage no problem but I would be surprised a little by the damages intake for a time.

[vestal epoch]

But single target is gutted. Imo.

[wet pendant]

i was wondering how do you minmax adjust cleave based on bosses as ST ? It feels like some fights in Voidspire are looking very good for Thane too no ? what do u guys think

like for cleave do u do slayer ?

[blissful hound]

Huh why would 8/8 be sus

[burnt oxide]

Can be if it is only 1 kill per boss

And no linked alt

[blissful hound]

Then its sus yeah

But like

CE is a lot easier than many make it out to be imo

[vestal epoch]

8/8mm but only 3.1k would look sus at first, because true 8/8mm players mostly like to push m+ too. There can be exceptions, but most of them would be higher than that, and it would lean towards this player paid a mythic raid boost

[undone flower]

It’s not like you can’t right click copy name into raider.io or wcl

[blissful hound]

Almost my entire guild is sitting between 3k and 3.3k because nobody can be arsed to push

[jolly marten]

I disagree but I don’t have strong evidence about it so I might be wrong

[undone flower]

Same here it’s only 3 ppl pushing in my guild

[vestal epoch]

Yeah, and no. Individualy i agree, but the true difficulty is to be with 19 other peoples able to do that

Unless you like to guild hop...

[blissful hound]

Guild hopping is the best you can if you wanna be more successful

Thats hot it works with jobs irl too

[vestal epoch]

And you take out all the human and social aspect of an mmo, or anything in touch with other humans

[undone flower]

You are talking about guild hoping heroic guild ? Bc wr 900 guilds are not the dream you imagine

[vestal epoch]

Everyone becomes a consummable, no bindings, no solidarity. It works? I stay. There is a little water in the boat? Cya!

[undone flower]

But they clear the whole raid

[vestal epoch]

No was talking about mythic. One should really be desperate to guild hop in hm

[blissful hound]

Well yeah to each their own, I could be raiding in a top 400 guild but Ive been in a 1k guild for a few years because I like the peeps

who in fact didnt even have CE when I joined

[undone flower]

And it’s 2-3 ppl guild hoping each tier, most of the roster don’t move

Guild hoping or quitting wow*

Or quitting raiding and still lurking in discord

[heavy galleon]

Raid is taking too much time when you are an adult

[vestal epoch]

Quitting wow isn't the same, you have the right to stop if you don't enjoy it. But leave to seek an easy clear is a sign of weakness imo. To a certain degree of course... but if you seek powerleveling you are not good enough to deserve what you are aiming to.

[median umbra]

some ppl don’t want to be stuck on same prog for half a year?

[rare garnet]

I know plenty of glads that can’t raid. Plenty of raiders that suck at keys. And plenty of keyers that suck at raid. Terrible way to judge an applicant.

[heavy galleon]

Spending 9hours per week for 4-5 month

[heavy dock]

true, guild hopping while improving is the best way

when i see im stuck at the same boss for more than a month its time to go

[undone flower]

It is more, since outside raid things like vault filling + the first weeks are really busy

[vestal epoch]

Raid is a global effort, everyone brings it's own stone. Some are better than others, but leaving a guild just like you throw away a kleenex is very laughable to me, because in my experience most people that do guild hop are part of the problems but have too much of an ego to introspect themselves and their mistakes

[heavy galleon]

Even just raiding dude, 3 night per week is soooo huge

[blissful hound]

Then just raid 2 nights

[heavy dock]

im sorry but being in a guild where johnny keeps dying / fucking up the same mechanic every week isnt optimal for my time

[blissful hound]

A good guild can CE with 1 night, a mediocre guild does with 2

[vestal epoch]

I agree, the only good way is to test the person in real situation, a few times. Progress, rio, parses or anything doesn't mean everything.

[undone flower]

I agree, it must be your main hobby, and 2 night / afternoon / morning guild exists

[heavy galleon]

2 night, it's too long progress

[heavy dock]

sure i'm part of a community' but i won't sacrifice my time for other people i have known for a few months or weeks at best

[heavy galleon]

You just finish one you have to.start again

[rare garnet]

You should always move on from a guild that doesn’t align with your goal. Could be prog focus. Could be vibes. It all depends on what you want. But if the average clear of a boss is 100 pulls and you’re on pull 400 I think it’s fine to move on lol

[blissful hound]

dunno, depends on the guild

There are 2 night guilds in the top 500

[heavy dock]

true

[vestal epoch]

For parses sometimes you have to jump on a grenade for the team, nuking your possibility of parses, or deal with X Y or Z mecanic that disables your ability to shine. Are those people bad? Hell no, they are goated. Are they often missjudged, yeah definatly.

[undone flower]

There are 2 night guild in HoF I bet

[heavy galleon]

I do raid and 0.1% when I was single.
But life changes and priority too

[little vine]

facts, if you want to raid like right now, timewise, you kinda just have to make nice and deal

[rare garnet]

I wouldn’t be surprised if there is a 1 night unicorn guild but I’m not digging through to find em

[frigid zealot]

@edgy widget new discord sticker unlocked

[vestal epoch]

You got me wrong I think. I don't think bad about people seeking THE place to stay, but people who don't give a shit and always seek fresher grass elsewhere

[undone flower]

When I considered changing guild I found one close to 200 with 2 nights

[vestal epoch]

Of course you could take time to find a guild you feel good in

[rare garnet]

People don’t care till they find where to care. Eventually those people will find somewhere that clicks.

[vestal epoch]

Just like relationship irl

[blissful hound]

Unfortunately thats almost the only way to get to really good guilds

[rare garnet]

I’m pretty sure Azortharions guild is 2 nights and HOF yeah? They’re out there.

[blissful hound]

That guild disbanded but yeah they did that

[rare garnet]

Oh lol RIP

[heavy dock]

thing is, in a grp of 20 there will always be some that drag the others down, if you join a suboptimal guild where everyone is dragging you down, you need to find new people, until you find something where people dont drag you down or you dont drag anyone down. Mythic raiding individually is not hard, but coordinating 20 people is the hard part

[heavy galleon]

Many 2 nights Guild have CE but it's so fucking long

Even as 3 night it's loooooong

[undone flower]

Preach old guild was 2 nights too if I remember

[vestal epoch]

Yeah but a good part of them are toxic at heart, and shit talk behind people, without judging themselves, and leave at the first glance of difficulty or trouble. In french we say "esprit de corps", to design the collective spirit of a group of people that remain strong together and don't leave someone behind, no matter what difficulty you go through

[rare garnet]

I’ve learned over the years 3 night 6ths months of leg for last month CE has no sense of accomplishment for me and I don’t wannabe in that kind of guild ever again.

[clever path]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/fury/talent-builds-pve-dps this is ok? This talents, i ask because i need single target for raid

[vestal epoch]

Those people don't even understand this thing

[undone flower]

Tbf I’m in wr 500 and it seems a little bit long

[rare garnet]

Dude wow guilds are not that deep bro

[heavy galleon]

True

[rare garnet]

They’re more like a merc troop

[hardy cargo]

isn't this judgemental position itself? it sems u are doing the very thing you are accusing these people of doing

[heavy dock]

toxic at heart.. i find it more toxic that i have to attend a wipe fest for a month straight with little improvement from the people in the raid group xD

[blissful hound]

The tolerance paradoxon or whatever its called

[heavy galleon]

Now I played wow 4-6h per week, and I like it.
I don't wanna spend 35h per week on a MMORPG

[vestal epoch]

And again, i totally agree with that. But had you never met a Fhead that shit talks, thinks he is better than everyone else even if in reality he is a douche and do huge missplays, makes dramas and leave the guild like a diva?

THEY are who I point.

[heavy galleon]

One work is enough for me 🤣

[undone flower]

Oh and seijuro if you are French, you need to jump outside our language guilds at some point, bc they are not that good

[heavy dock]

sure, but usually they are the people who play better

[median agate]

Who hurt you?

[fossil orbit]

I wouldnt bother doing a raid spec atm my friend, it will likely change the 17th

[heavy dock]

the people who are being shit talked are being shittalked for a reason

[fast mural]

Aotc guilds

[heavy dock]

9/10 times

[little vine]

It's usually not the pumpers that talk shit, its the perma grey/greens

[heavy galleon]

They are few good french Guild

[undone flower]

Very very few

[clever path]

Ok

[rare garnet]

They’ve been passionately building on their guild for years watching people leave that aren’t satisfied about the guild that just needs a little more spirit to be great. Is what I’m hearing.

[heavy galleon]

Because they are less french survivor on MM raid 🤣

[rare garnet]

700 pulls on dimi why are people leaving

[median agate]

Skill issue

[vestal epoch]

In some way yes, but the key difference is that I am the first one to accept my mistakes without blaming anyone else. If they are MY mistakes. But you are kind of right, I judge them. But in my defence, having an opinion is kind of judging every people that don't share the same opinion, sometimes you can understand and be cool with it, sometimes not. And imo, pure guild hoppers are douchebags.

[heavy galleon]

Competition make people toxic

[undone flower]

It’s just the skill is debatable + raiding 4-5-6-7 times per week to compensate, you check guilds at the same lvl it becomes kinda cringe

[heavy dock]

this exact situation is what happened to me recently on mop, while progging heart of fear, joined some guild that had a leader with a lot of ambition, put together guides, spread sheets, training site for amber shaper and a lot of stuff, ultimately we were stuck on amber shaper for 5 weeks straight before i finally decided to call it quits and joined an actually good guild who i cleared everything up to lei shen + raden 25hc now

[snow hollow]

around 45-48k 244 ilvl

[rare garnet]

How long should someone stay and suffer the mistakes of others. 2 months? 8 months? 15 month? I can work on myself all I want. I can’t fix the others.

[vestal epoch]

It depends. If everyone tries to improve it is just the normal way to go. But if someone just slacks and don't give a shit about the 19 others, you should not have to leave, this slaker needs to be benched or kicked.

[heavy galleon]

And many of people don't have a balance life outside of wow

[heavy dock]

my last mythic raiding exp is in BFA, but even then it was prety much the same story

[rare garnet]

Welcome to speedrunning recruitment hell.

[heavy galleon]

10 man raid was the funiest raid I never do

[undone flower]

[rare garnet]

And not everyone in every guild will try to improve. Some are content with their current skill. What happens when you realize this? You leave. That’s fine.

[vestal epoch]

It is a case by case topic... like i said, if people are doing their best, it should be fine moreover if you were here for long time. If you are still "seeking the place to stay", just applyed and they don't reach the level you expect, then it's another thing, as I said but it seems a lot of people didn't got it

[vestal epoch]

Exactly!

[blissful hound]

Thats the most depressing thing imo

[vestal epoch]

Just as if you are casual and your guild becomes hardcore 8/7 raids a week, it is not your vibe, well... if you can't deal with that you go away

[heavy dock]

sadly way too many people are like this, and they will accept being mediocre

[vestal epoch]

And that is totally fine

[undone flower]

Accepting most guilds can’t improve

[vestal epoch]

I really strictly talked about people seeing themselves better than they really are, trash talking others just for fun or making dramas, and end up being carried by some miracle. Just like some meta slaves that reroll every season, ends up with a high rio but just by accident. If you ask people that played with them they would all say they were dog shit, but were invited because they were meta. And others were strong enough to save the key even with them in it

[undone flower]

Trash talking = you are bad

Stupidity mountain

[rare garnet]

I mean people play the game for various reasons. I don’t that that’s bad. If you’re happy with your performance and find a place where you fit that’s okay. Not everyone’s drive is to be a world first raider or even a got tier 99 parser. That’s okay. As long as where youre at vibes with that.

[vestal epoch]

Most of the time yes. There are exceptions just like anything but mostly yes

[vestal epoch]

I don't know why i can't emote react but i will do it here: 👍

[blissful hound]

Nono, I meant when you realize that a lot of people want to improve, but some individuals dont want to and are content with that

Being stuck because of this is depressing

[rare garnet]

Ahh. Yes.

Sucks when you realize you’ve outgrown your guild and want more. Also sucks when you realize your guilds outgrown you and you want less.

[undone flower]

Only the polite channels can emote

[heavy galleon]

The important thing is to have fun.

[rare garnet]

Also sucks when you join a guild. Looks promising. Then you realize it wasn’t. And leave only to get called out as a guild hopper cause they got a lucky late CE on an easy tier and you get called a quitter Kek

[heavy galleon]

If raiding feels funny do it a lot.
If not, do less or something new

[undone flower]

Getting called out bc guild hopper = the guild was bad, unless you didn’t inform them your intent

My last 2 guilds fully accept the concept, I bet every guilds higher does too

[fading sky]

Nah fam

Thats 100% cherry picked st dmg

[undone flower]

If he enchanted his gear

[fading sky]

Nah

[undone flower]

My enchants are 12% increase on my sim

[cerulean badger]

What are decent overalls for fury in Dungeons at the Moment if the tank pulls at a good pace?

[fading sky]

In real life encounter not raid buffdd

[fading sky]

Everything

Like comp matters 2 much

If ya st is good u prob fine

[remote bobcat]

idk just join a guild and be the best performing player. Tell them you've been inspired to grow as a player so you'd like to advance in worldranks. If they're butthurt about it, ignore em

🤷‍♂️

[fading sky]

Or

[bleak harness]

I think I do around 60-70k mark

[fading sky]

70k is rare man

Again, if u play with locks or dks

[vestal epoch]

Polite channel?

[fading sky]

Or rets

[rare garnet]

Arms

[rare garnet]

Forgot that existed

[undone flower]

They are allowed to, so they must be very kind channel

[vestal epoch]

Lmao xD is this chan that full of savages?

I mean irl, in game of course we are

[undone flower]

No, it’s here

[rare garnet]

We need a bot that gives a PVP roll to anyone that’s posted there in the last 30 days and colors their name an easily identifiable color so we can better avoid them

[bleak harness]

Idk , feels okish

[undone flower]

We are in a different timeline, PvP is really the gentleman channel

[vestal epoch]

Lmao xD

[undone flower]

And savages is here

[rare garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/veronica-mars-veronica-mars-season4-daran-norris-gods-of-war-hulu-gif-17028901

[snow hollow]

are we talking then or slayer?

*thane

[bleak harness]

Slayer , i dont like thane

But they are close

[fading sky]

Plz do show a log👌, or meter at least

[snow hollow]

slayer dont pull same numbers at all compared to thane its like day and night

[bleak harness]

Next time i do , sure

[fading sky]

Its pretty close tbh

[snow hollow]

think thane on big m0 pulls do around 90-120k

234ilvl or so

[bleak harness]

Slayer does the same , what u mean

[snow hollow]

while slayer around 70 at best

[bleak harness]

Im around 240

[fading sky]

I mean again thats top bursr

So cherry pickin

U are not ending pulls at 240

[bleak harness]

If u have some lucky sd procs on opener

[snow hollow]

than deal a shit ton more than slayer aoe there is no discussion about this

[bleak harness]

Ilvl

[snow hollow]

slayer alot better ST

[bleak harness]

240 ilvl

Never ending 240k pull wtf

[fading sky]

I mean he is obviously cherry pickin

U just said 240?

[snow hollow]

i love slayer its my favorite build but im not gonna convince myself i will deal more aoe than thane that is just not gonna ever be done 😄

[rare garnet]

No one said more

[snow hollow]

and its fine since Slayer is king in ST

[rare garnet]

We said comparable

[vestal epoch]

On sustained aoe sure. But currently in m0 idk

[fading sky]

St difference isnt 2 big tbh

Either

[snow hollow]

id say 10-20k dps diffrence is a lot

[fading sky]

There isnt

[vestal epoch]

Packs dies real quick

[snow hollow]

on a m0 boss

[fading sky]

At all

Then u bad at thane

[snow hollow]

critcakes is bad warrior?

[rare garnet]

Thane ST is only like 4-5% behind slayer

[fading sky]

Y

[rare garnet]

He’s a mage now

Retired

[snow hollow]

ok

[vestal epoch]

Lol xD

[fading sky]

I think u saw crit arm

S

Or different bosses tbh

[vestal epoch]

M0 means nothing atm, everything dies too quick

[fading sky]

Which is why 70k overall requires afk grp🤣

[undone flower]

It was 4% the last time I checked on my char

[vestal epoch]

M+ will be the real test. But what i fear the most is our lack of enraged regen...

[snow hollow]

you are right things dies to quick but its an estimate but its hte same as saying dps on a specific dungeon boss compared to raiding or saying dps on lets saya raid boss on normal/heroic vs mythic where you got things to do and you cannot stick 24/7 on target etc

and fights are way longer

the longer the fights are the more they favor slayer fury also

[undone flower]

You can’t really do that bc dungeon bosses doesn’t last 3 min, and every adds they pop doesn’t exist

[vestal epoch]

I more so thought it like TWW s1. Slayer shinned like a Diamond because we nuked everything in our burst windows, same as in raid. And we got unfairly giga nuked in return... but slayer has more of a bursty profile, when thane is more sustained

[spare steppe]

Favor compared to who?

[vestal epoch]

Si if you look at shorter fights, it would more benefit slayer

[bleak harness]

Thane

[snow hollow]

that is partially right, thing is fury gains alot from the reducion of bladestorm and reck reduction so on a boss where some get of x2 big cds fury gets off around 8-10

[lilac dove]

sup boyz, can someone tell me where i can fin a good bis list for fury warrior in raid?

[vestal epoch]

Actually I think fights are too short to really judge the potential. I think thane will be the way to go anyway, even just with it's better tankiness than slayer with the lack of enraged regen, but actually even without talking about survivability fights are too short for thane to thrive and show it' s potential and slayer is in a more comfortable situation, wich won't last with m+ scaling

[shy knot]

Wtf no way thats true

[spare steppe]

Simming yourself is better than a bis list, but Wowhead is good

[hardy vault]

Hello ! And for raid, you will play thane or slayer first week ?

[shy knot]

Prolly slayer

[undone flower]

It’s a joke, mage is his alt since a while

[vestal epoch]

Are you talking about slayer or thane? Because I was just comparing our spec, not to other classes

[snow hollow]

slayer 100% some mix of thane on bosses its needed

im talking about both against other classes and thane vs slayer

[fading sky]

Slayet gains little from longer fights

[vestal epoch]

I think slayer is not that good even in ST... it lacks actually one thing: make bladestorm affected by anger management again.

[fading sky]

Vs thane

Like both bt

Both execute

Avatar vs bladestorn please

In st

[undone flower]

Both have the same apex

[fading sky]

Y

[vestal epoch]

The fact avatar is affected and not bladestorm is a huge deal, it desyncs a lot the burst

[fading sky]

Well keep ind mind

Of will get cdr 2 with tier wont it?

[native wadi]

Where notes for next week

Imma bout jump off a bridge

[vestal epoch]

I don't remember, only damage amp no?

[bleak harness]

Yes

[vestal epoch]

I probably say shit, i just remember about rampage damage boost

[snow hollow]

what you fail to look at is unrelenting onslaught wich is a big deal

[bleak harness]

We get cdr as well

[undone flower]

If it’s a Friday note, at 1-2 am Saturday CEST

[snow hollow]

we get 100% value from it thane does not

[fading sky]

2.5 sec per ramp

[bleak harness]

We fit another of in between recklessness

[vestal epoch]

On reck? Per use of rampage?

[bleak harness]

Most likely

[fading sky]

Of per rampafe used

[snow hollow]

the big issue is that first reck and bladestorm are in sync

second is never in sync.

[vestal epoch]

I think you "forgot" something... to me, this benefits WAY more thane than slayer, for a simple reason

Thane can extend avatar, but not reck. So more reck means more rage cycling, and more thundeblasts, so more uptime on both reck AND avatar

Even if avatar isn't straight targeted by the set bonus. The cycle will be much faster so it will naturally extend avatar's duration, to a point maybe (copium) 100% uptime

[haughty carbon]

I tested Thane and Slayer on a dummy in AoE, over a 4:30 fight, and they ended up doing roughly the same damage. Of course it's just a target dummy, so there are a lot of factors that aren't taken into account. What I'm getting at is that Thane and Slayer seem very well balanced — the main difference is just how their damage is distributed

[vestal epoch]

Big copium actually xD but the dream... 100% or near 100% uptime on reck and avatar.

[snow hollow]

you cannot test on dummy not enought targets thane favors with large big pulls 11+ targets

[grim prism]

is this any good?

[snow hollow]

do a m0

[haughty carbon]

Thane will be more bursty on an 11-target pull, but Slayer can produce similar damage and sustain it over time

[fading sky]

• 6 it starts 2 win out

[fading sky]

Whatta??

I think u mby arent doing thane correct

[snow hollow]

thane deals a shit ton more than slayer on big numbers its laughtable around 60k vs 90k

[fading sky]

Clappin claps

Yup

[haughty carbon]

I tested both in MM0 and I’m getting more DPS with Slayer. It might just be because I’m more comfortable with it, but after testing both, Slayer feels stronger and definitely more skill-demanding

[spare steppe]

Once the bug is fixed, yes it will be

[snow hollow]

and those numbers is said was low numbers avarage joe does the better the player the bigger the diffrence and numbers

[fading sky]

Atm hot garbage

Aoe test u did was 4 targets or?

[haughty carbon]

dont think doin thing bad with thane, just spam TB / TC / Rampage during avatar and dont fall at sleep

[fading sky]

Coz slayer is prob equal there

[snow hollow]

atleast it provides 79 str 😄

[fading sky]

Y so u dont tc unless + 6

[snow hollow]

heart of wind is what you want

[fading sky]

U also wanna bt to be send

[native wadi]

M0 is not a good marker and ofc slayer does more bcs of the burst in the relevant big pulls

[snow hollow]

as trinket

[spare steppe]

Incredibly so depressingly

[fading sky]

Ye coz it doesnt activate

As warrior🤣

[red berry]

what bug

[snow hollow]

its not bugged it works as intended it will be used in the void spire raid

read the text only works in voidstorm

25% crit buff for 5 min

[haughty carbon]

TC only over 6 target ? i would try it

[fading sky]

I mean it drops on prio list

As u want to send bt more 2 empower tx

To empower bt

But at a number clap is just 2 clappa

[snow hollow]

but we are kinda unsure if its gonna work inside the raid its says voidstorm if it works inside spire its 100% bis trinket

if not its bad

[fading sky]

U could argue for prio dmg u shouls do the same always

[fading sky]

Doesnt it work in m0

On my dk id swear

[red berry]

it got nerfed 41% a bit ago

it used to give a decent amount of crit

[fading sky]

Y

And its capped at champ

If its bis for fury its coz of our useless dmg profile

[snow hollow]

well there is no trinket that gives you the power that trinket gives you

a 5 min buff where you have 25% critchance

[red berry]

that is only happening in the world

it’s not related to the trinket

[fading sky]

Yup

World buff

Relatdd 2 the console

[red berry]

the 140 or whatever crit it gives is frankly not good

it was good

now it is not

[fading sky]

At 220

[rare garnet]

Worked on my m0s this week

[red berry]

that is not the same buff

unless that terminal buff does work in raid and dungeons in that zone

which I’m skeptical of

I think they just share the same name

[bleak harness]

I doubt as well

Shouldn’t work

[rare garnet]

Is it not?

That’s the trinket yeah?

[red berry]

in the zone it just gives a flat percentage

[rare garnet]

Are you sure?

[red berry]

yes

[rare garnet]

I didn’t read that on any tooltip

I could be mistaken

But all I read is flat stat amount

[snow hollow]

that one is just zone related he is right

insanity euphoria

the crit voidlust

that works

[rare garnet]

No clue what that buff is can’t find the name on wowhead

[fading sky]

Man i miss details

So much

[vague stump]

everything I sim over that crucible trinket wins by like 2% or whatever I guess its just fucked no?

or doesnt it sim properly?

[rare garnet]

Doesn’t sim I think

[snow hollow]

its named the same

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=1222914/voidlust

there you have the "zone" buff

then there is the one that proccs that is also called voidlust 😄

[vague stump]

weird asf trinket

[snow hollow]

that aint zone wise it grants you 122 base

crit rating

but you can use the upgrade and it grants more

i took the more frequent one since thats better

[rare garnet]

Ahh yeah not trinket related

[spare steppe]

#fury message

[snow hollow]

yes

but then you have the buff from the trinket

[spare steppe]

It also works outside of voidstorm

[snow hollow]

ye

but its so wierrdly named and described it also have a haste buff

[rare garnet]

Yeah sharing name with trinket buff is unfortunate and confusing

[vague stump]

so I dont get it is the trinket good or bad lol

[snow hollow]

well its not "bad"

its in the top 5 of trinkets atm if you buff it

problem with it is alot of it hangs on the high str it has inheritly

[spare steppe]

The buff from the trinket is a small version of the zone buff. It’s ok now, but once they fix the melee issues with it, then it’ll be great

[snow hollow]

its like 5% crit chance when it proccs if u have the upgraded procc

3% otherwise

but they for sure gonna do more with that tinket i think so keep it and see what happens with it

[vague stump]

I am using vessel of tortured souls and heart of wind currently they seem very good

but I got piss all 2h drops from m0 and that 2h from prey is very bad lol

[red berry]

idk if they’ll tune that trinket again they nerfed it for a reason

[fair vortex]

which trinket combo is better can someone help me

vs

[vague stump]

raidbots.com

[fair vortex]

ty ill use it ur right i should

❤️

[mint shore]

My money is on crucible & heart, but sim it Dio

[vague stump]

but the crucible trinket doesnt sim properly so idk

but probs what he said

[fair vortex]

god bless u

Mr.Parts tips fedora

[snow hollow]

sad part is that how heavily weighted str is im fairly certain the crucible gonna sim you better

[proud vessel]

Does Raider.io addon still work? I dont see any old score when hovering over players

[fading sky]

No score atm i think

[calm dock]

how yall feel about Harenhir as fury warriors both in terms of performence and looks?

[fading sky]

Looks good?

[warm crag]

just sim the racials, looks are personal choice

[fading sky]

Performance... its always dwarf or elf

In m+

[rare garnet]

Nah. I’m a panda.

[warm crag]

you truely are brave for sticking to the highest simming race

[calm dock]

im not gonna play a henhir was just asking

[worthy stirrup]

is slayer still an option for m+?

[rare garnet]

I need as much help to cover skill diff

[fading sky]

Female panda swing weapons well ngl

Esp on arms

I thought top sim was mecha

[snow hollow]

thing is their 1% crit chance and crit dmg is a good racial for dps reason but start of season crit its so godamn low, due to how important haste then mastery is wich means we dont crit much but later down the line when we gonna have alot more crit it might be bis racial in terms of "dps" in long fights

and on looks love it made a druid love the forms! 🙂

[spare steppe]

Mag’har orc checking in

[warm crag]

depends what you're looking for, for your weekly keys and casual pushing any spec with most talent trees will be fine

if you're trying to time world first keys you might wanna click thane (pending tuning)

[fleet garden]

Void elf, I like void enrage while I'm enraged. It's funny to me.

[warm crag]

this is just random words ngl the correct answer is to just sim it

[snow hollow]

sim on gear not obtainable yet or we dont know stat on?

[warm crag]

all the gear is known and you can sim on gear thats not obtainable yes

[snow hollow]

what are you talking about?

[warm crag]

thats what most sims are

[snow hollow]

we dont know the later raids stats

[fading sky]

Brother

Its always same

[coarse nest]

Bros trying to find best in slot for season 3 raids

[radiant plank]

Hey

so

[fading sky]

Y but we wont suddenly have 40% crit

[radiant plank]

heres a race sim where the baseline is a haranir slayer fury warrior

[warm crag]

oh haranir sucks ass

funny

[coarse nest]

Panda panda panda

[calm dock]

god damn

[radiant plank]

brrrah

[coarse nest]

[calm dock]

how is it simming lower than races that dont even have increased dps racials

[fleet garden]

Beaten by a 🐮 lamo

[rich palm]

Haranir scream every time you do anything. 😁

[calm dock]

also pandas being kinda goated

[fleet garden]

Free str go brrr

[calm dock]

guess the play is to race change into panda so i can def top dmg the normal raids hurah

[granite crown]

All races in this image have an increased dps racial

[coarse nest]

Yes the sub 1% gain puts you on top

[oak peak]

So are BiS lists still very WIP, or is our max sim really not using a single piece of M+ gear?

[granite crown]

Vulpera wasn't in that image?

[warm crag]

reading comprehension is incredibly difficult

[crystal moss]

Lol

[wild plank]

Dracthyr where kek

[coarse nest]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1481375328038424617/image0.gif

“Reading”

[crystal moss]

I dont play humans, they have a racial bonus? Is it like + vers or something

[warm crag]

i get to have shit reading moments too once in a while

[granite crown]

Warrior for a reason innit

[warm crag]

they get more stat per stat or smth like that idk

[fading sky]

Good laye

[warm crag]

its all the same just click void elf or dwarf if you want top damage consistently

[fading sky]

Ye

[warm crag]

but also if you care about racials you are dented

click the cool looking races

[fading sky]

Cant look st dwarf

[remote bobcat]

The Human Spirit: You gain 2% more of all secondary stats (Haste, Critical Strike, Mastery, Versatility) from all sources.

[calm dock]

i mean i just play Orc

big weapons zugzug

[granite crown]

Click Dwarf cuz I don't trust healers to dispell

[fading sky]

Dwarf for m+ if bleeds

Is goateda

[eager thorn]

based

[fading sky]

Af

[remote bobcat]

dwarf is: Might of the Mountain: Critical strike damage and healing increased by 2%.

and stoneform ofc

[coarse nest]

Nelf for meld
Human for stun break
Velf for portal

Depends on the annoyance of the bosses for prog

[warm crag]

a good exercise in not caring about bis lists

[radiant plank]

does dwarf

decurse

cuz for somereason this season is unplayable without decurse healer

[warm crag]

you do not click velf for the tp

[coarse nest]

Oh yes you do

[warm crag]

although i found an abnormally large amt of uses for it in m0s

[coarse nest]

Mugzee enters chat

[remote bobcat]

Stoneform: Removes all poison, disease, curse, magic, and bleed effects and reduces all physical damage taken by 10% for 8 sec.

[radiant plank]

I click velf for the 5% increased damage during my dps window

and -50% discount

[warm crag]

you could just leap it

[radiant plank]

velf tp crazy for last boss spire

[radiant plank]

Nice

[coarse nest]

Yeah we all leaped that perfect timing every time

[remote bobcat]

ja

[remote bobcat]

i just went into prison like a lil bitch

ngl

that timing was inconsistent af

[warm crag]

or just play the job that stays inside idk neither of us progged the version of the boss where you genuinely needed to be rescued/velf tpd/leaped

[coarse nest]

I just didn’t go into prison “ope I missed it mb” killed boss rank 7

W

[warm crag]

velf racial has literally never mattered for anyone outside of top 10 world

[radiant plank]

i did

:madge

[warm crag]

another lie

[radiant plank]

not even

[coarse nest]

True yeah I stayed human

Human Bis mog

[spare steppe]

Maghar bis horde mog

[radiant plank]

only if u larp garrosh

orc female for mogs tho >>>

[coarse nest]

Garrosh should have won

[remote bobcat]

my first kills very much scream prison dont they

[coarse nest]

Arms my goat

[remote bobcat]

i miss arms

[coarse nest]

Me to brotha

🤝

[fading sky]

Same

[remote bobcat]

rage increased by 500% from all sources just let us play the spec and not feel bad thanks

I'd rather make rage useless resource than arms being unplayable

[coarse nest]

Damn dev team gotta remove head from butt and make arms good

[radiant plank]

idk velf didnt help

[fading sky]

Tbh

Arms just let op givr us rage sub 35%

[warm crag]

https://tenor.com/view/magnifying-glass-gem-gem-alert-spying-gif-8152235274896165137

[fading sky]

Remove avatar give us reck on cs

[remote bobcat]

dang

[remote bobcat]

wildin

[fading sky]

I mean reck makes way more sense on tge spec that wants crit

Than furu

[warm crag]

bring back 100% crit chance reck (including trinkets and cantrips)

[oak peak]

Was asked to fill out out guild’s “bis list” for gear, or i wouldn’t care 🤷‍♂️

[spare steppe]

Without the 30m cd ofc

[warm crag]

this definitely didnt ruin item and trinket design for literal years

[radiant plank]

go wowhead and copypaste items from there

[coarse nest]

💯

[radiant plank]

they are neaarly up to date

[coarse nest]

Stats effect trinkets

Bring it back pls

[oak peak]

So no M+ items at all? Just thought it was odd

[radiant plank]

well

do you want items from raid or not

[warm crag]

whats the goal of your bis list

[radiant plank]

why would anyone care about a m+ bis

[oak peak]

Good point haha

[rare garnet]

Sir this is Fury

[radiant plank]

its called m+ alternatives for a reason

[rare garnet]

We don’t care about support specs here

[oak peak]

No like…it says we do 5-set tier for instance. Is there no better M+ alternative for one of the tier items?

[fading sky]

Remove reck give fury more haste

[warm crag]

like if a mythic chest drops but you could technically drop a mythic chest from one dungeon (so like a 1/10 to hit the right dungeon and then a 1/5 to hit the right item) they wouldnt give it to you because you COULD get that mythic chestplate?

that is dented gear decision making

[rare garnet]

I like flat.

[fading sky]

I like speed

[radiant plank]

Just press BIS or Big upgrade on every item your spec can use

[warm crag]

just put all the raid gear as bis

[coarse nest]

Best in slot matters because I’m going to loot all 14 pieces from the list on day one mythic ilvl

Duhhhh

[fading sky]

Not 20% crit 20% haste

[coarse nest]

[rare garnet]

Everything is bis cause I’m a goblin (I’m a panda)

[red berry]

god i still despise how it reduces the cost of rampage

[rare garnet]

Every trinket is bis they might balance patch need them in bags. Every item is bis who knows what combos better. Everything is bis all the time.

[warm crag]

me clicking bis on the goon squad trinket

[rare garnet]

Clicking bis on healer loot maybe there is a bug

[radiant plank]

hell yeah

[coarse nest]

You know it!!

Shit idr the other trinket that spawned a homie

But I had both

[calm dock]

hot take i wouldnt mind if power was removed from cds and given more to our actual buttons cuz outside of cds our buttons feel like shit

i would just love to feel like im doing something outside of rec

[coarse nest]

I’d rather have burst profile

Peak every 1:30/45

[warm crag]

more flat yes please i want to be even less relevant

[strong monolith]

tried thane yesterday for the first time

Pretty fun

[small tinsel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvSz3sNEm10&t=427s

Watching this video and Lux has his health bars displayed like this with text of his HP
how is it i can do the same ?

[compact siren]

Stop posting in skyhold, pinwheel isn’t going to loot itself

Goofy lookin ah

[warm crag]

i need a 3 man

[compact siren]

Coward

[warm crag]

this guy has a recon and triage supporting him

[compact siren]

Rook

[warm crag]

i truely am coddled

recon that will show the enemies to me and triage that will battle rez me immediately

[compact siren]

Those who know

[warm crag]

veteran of malevelon creek

now a veteran of dire marsh maintenance traxus quest

[strong monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/chestbump-helldivers-helldivers-2-bros-bro-gif-12770116070420201459

[compact siren]

We out here beefing on tau ceti

[radiant plank]

Fury is cancelled guys

we r playing a 5th guardian druid

[coarse nest]

LOL

[tropic wasp]

u have entire print? from sims?

[remote bobcat]

That's a good thing tho..

being more bursty in CDs is good

[dense drum]

Just saw the 12.0.5 patch removal of imminent demise proccing reap the storm. Cant have a good thing for long. Felt great getting execute procs on aoe. Hope they dont change it

[remote bobcat]

[feral ivy]

lol is that after nerf or nah

[radiant plank]

Prolly after since that sim number is from 13h ago

[calm dock]

ok sure optimally sure but i just tend to feel like you sit there eating legos waiting for cds to return so you can play the game and then afterwards you go right back to eating legos

[feral ivy]

was this a hot fix or tuesdays update

[remote bobcat]

nothing to do with optimal. A bursty profile is applicable to more situations. We have short CDs so we get to play every time its relevant. If you play well, you get to have hella fun with a bursty profile

a flat dmg profile is ass

[warm crag]

ptr change

[feral ivy]

awwww

[calm dock]

our buttons feel like we are tickling the bad guys between cds idk that just feels extremely bad to me still an extremely fun spec just that issue is annoying to me

[flat river]

[worthy stirrup]

so what is the rotation rn? is it worth to use raging blow if rampage have guaranted back?

[spare steppe]

Check his website, there’s an addon for it

It’s great

[warm crag]

you are talking about a ptr change that will not hit live for 3-4 months if at all

[remote bobcat]

did you play season 3 tww? We just came from a disgustingly flat profile and it sucked ass

[warm crag]

if you want the current best rotation check wowhead

[calm dock]

nope i didnt

was playing unholy which imo has the same problem but worse

[remote bobcat]

let's just say you're extremely alone in your take. Everyone complained about the flat profile for months on end

[spare steppe]

Gotta be fake

[radiant plank]

very real

[spare steppe]

[calm dock]

im fine with that

[calm dock]

ouch

[muted storm]

So... no more reap on st come 12.0.5 😭

[flat river]

u now spin to spin more

[native wadi]

12.0.5 looks like reroll time

Hope next week saves us

[muted storm]

But is whirlwind doo doo damage? I never really notice, maybe 5+ targets it pulls ahead of bt

[calm dock]

fury cosplaying as a damn Beyblade

[native wadi]

I have a problem with the animation as well

So freaking flt

Flat

[muted storm]

The fart sound too

[mossy pelican]

My ass is flat too

[muted storm]

Animation is like you are a janitor sweeping, I got a nice transmog for that too

[surreal token]

@radiant plank @warm crag post UI, I wanna get some inspo

[warm crag]

look up any of the other 200 people using aui if you want mine

[surreal token]

no clue what AUI is

[radiant plank]

FragUI

[surreal token]

how tf does that look EXACTLY liek elvui/WAs

[radiant plank]

because they made it so

[chrome wind]

Talking about ui, any chance to make the personal resource bar like it was before? thin and small, and buffs not taking the same position spot as it is now

[remote bobcat]

define "what it was like before"

[warm crag]

half the uis look like this

[surreal token]

where's that from

[radiant plank]

tracking reck AND ava

Man

[warm crag]

atrocity

[radiant plank]

wat a noob mistake

[rancid ledge]

unhalted no ?

looks same

sob

[warm crag]

yeah turns out almost every ui is basically derived from each other nowadays

[surreal token]

has revvez come up with anythign this xpac

[remote bobcat]

they're all copy pasting from eachother

[warm crag]

paywalled tho so shrug

[rancid ledge]

ellesmere ui is best if u are ok with reloading every hour or so

[warm crag]

??

[remote bobcat]

wild take ngl

[rancid ledge]

same feel as with weakauras

[chrome wind]

This photo was before... This is the new one, all the 'buffs' take the same spot and you cannot make the bars smaller

[warm crag]

every competent ui does this

[rancid ledge]

naur

[warm crag]

and if its not vibecoded to shit you dont need to reload hourly

[median umbra]

erm, chatgpt, make me a world of warcraft ui

[rancid ledge]

nah its something to do with the actionbars

[warm crag]

are you just disagreeing because you dont know better or whats the deal

[surreal token]

@warm crag how do u get it

[warm crag]

sub to atrocity

[surreal token]

twitch?

[warm crag]

or discord he gets a better cut

[rancid ledge]

atrocity shill

[warm crag]

or grab some vaguely identical ui pack for free

[rancid ledge]

[warm crag]

if i was a shill i wouldnt be telling you to grab it from somewhere else for free lmao

[rancid ledge]

blocked and deported

[warm crag]

??

[remote bobcat]

I will never understand why people dont just use actionbars and instead opt into these weakaura type trackers

[warm crag]

cause your shit sucks and mine doesnt or smth idk

i dont want to sit here making my ui for half an hour when a significantly more competent person can make something significantly more powerful than i can

[rancid ledge]

prevents the issue of lets say reck popping up twice so u dont track unecessary cds, less clutter on screen = better

[glossy mirage]

toxui is good

luckyone

all of those free

[rancid ledge]

did u try ellesmere ui

[glossy mirage]

naa

way too deep in tox

[rancid ledge]

sob

[radiant plank]

cuz I dont need to see my WW next to some relevant ability

[glossy mirage]

seems decent but, its the same thing diferent colors tbh

[remote bobcat]

you people have the same buttons on screen as me, minus whirlwind maybe

[rancid ledge]

no my reck buff shows on top of itself in cdm

[remote bobcat]

yea i despise that personally

but thats preference

[burnt oxide]

I hide the actionbars completely for non cooldown rotation abilities that u use under certain conditions esp energywise

[rancid ledge]

i also have a line with 4 charges for ww buff, only other thing im tracking is enrage, execute thing

[dense elbow]

You dont need to track ww CD, that is for sure

[dry hawk]

This is what I have OBO w/o the character frame

[surreal token]

holy shit that's a lot of info

[rancid ledge]

how do u get into dstance :aga:

but i like how the ui is clean

i would remove a couple buttons tho

[surreal token]

@warm crag is AUI based on elvui

[spare steppe]

What kind of monster has their menu bars at the bottom middle and not the top left

[rancid ledge]

mine is bottom right

idk

[warm crag]

ye

[spare steppe]

That’s acceptable too

But middle???

[warm crag]

there was a version without it i think but its just elvui now