fury

[young swan]

he likes slayer

[lofty lotus]

i just dont like the class change to warrior

[frank vault]

Is this bait? Feels like bait.

[young swan]

not liking bfa, SL, DF, or Tww isnt a hot take

[random shadow]

I mean changes isnt till like 2 months out. Why be this disappointed at this moment when its subjected to change

[lofty lotus]

its not bain
idk how to say it without sounding like an insult but you cant really follow the convo

[lofty lotus]

i didnt try TWW

[young swan]

all range from horrid to extremely mediocre

[lofty lotus]

cus irl stuff

[frank vault]

"I don't like any class and quit every xpac one month in for 10 years" but you like the game? Make it make sense.

[wise wren]

This is bait and I chomped on it like a bloated puffer fish

[lofty lotus]

wanted to but coudnt

[young swan]

are YOU baiting?

he has never said he doesnt like wow right now

he said he didnt fuck with those xpacs

[lofty lotus]

i even said i DO like wow now

[young swan]

perfectly reasonable btw

they sucked

[lofty lotus]

midnight is fun atm

[young swan]

like actually awful

[lofty lotus]

just not THIS specific change to warr

(and frost mage)

[young swan]

im assuming you're talking about the 0.5 changes we're slated to get

[frank vault]

He said "I've tried most classes in Midnight and fury is the only one left" which I took to imply that he didn't like any of the others.

[lofty lotus]

ye

[lofty lotus]

kinda what it means yeah

[young swan]

whats wrong with not liking the rest of the classes

[lofty lotus]

frost is fun

[frank vault]

Then you don't like the game. 🤷‍♂️

[lofty lotus]

frost mage*

[young swan]

??

thats bait lmfao

[lofty lotus]

i feel like im talking to a child

[frank vault]

Ditto. Lol.

[lofty lotus]

to many assumtions

[oblique thistle]

gameplay

[frank vault]

I literally clarified what I thought you meant, and you agreed I was right though? Like what?

[lofty lotus]

from all classes ive tried

fury is the most fun

and try are trying to ruin it

[eager stirrup]

Why are we arguing about whether or not this one guy likes WoW? Who gives a fuck and what does it have to do with Fury Warrior?

If you’re here arguing with him, maybe you should go play WoW instead or else you don’t like WoW.

[frank vault]

Tru. Peace. ✌️

[olive wraith]

Like I said before. Wait until the 17th notes come out to truly doom

[compact knot]

fury is some ass icl

[olive wraith]

The changes look more like gameplay: damage breakdown stuff

[compact knot]

but its all good

does a addon for a big dstance/zerker stance popup exist

i go dstance then forget

[winter shoal]

yes I made one

https://addons.wago.io/addons/defensive-stance-reminder

[bold forge]

Fury slayer is fun because it feels like playing street fighter mashing buttons in quick succession

[eager stirrup]

If I had a dollar for every time a patch notes release and a visit to this Discord made me feel like it was the end of the world and it turned out to be nothing, I’d have a good amount of cash.

[compact knot]

goat

[lofty lotus]

yall tried to get me banned cus you cant handle the truth

this is a joke!

got muted for no reason ;d

[lofty lotus]

yeah have to wait

[eager stirrup]

No one cares, bro

[lofty lotus]

but if its just number change wont really change much for me

[olive wraith]

How did you get muted

[lofty lotus]

dunno

bot deteced something

[bold forge]

But in a way it’s also the charm of retail, you get to witness and partake in drama over balance changes every so often

[olive wraith]

That’s fury in general

[bold forge]

Classic is a solved game so we don’t really have this emotional component there in particular

[lofty lotus]

im just trying to have a convo about the changes about a class i really enjoy

[bold forge]

Yeah I just don’t like MT thematically and it doesn’t feel the same because the abilities aren’t all about smashing the opponent as much

[lofty lotus]

i already got my warrior to 236ilvl and trying out even more specs

[olive wraith]

Wdym not about smashing the target

[lofty lotus]

the thunder clap spam during CD's is too much

[bold forge]

Thunderclap not as satisfying

[lofty lotus]

not as much but i still find it satisfying

always can fall back to it if slayer isnt as fun

well unless they make it not fun

[hot shell]

Pressing thunderclap is about as annoying as looking at every second warrior having thunderfury, blessed blade of the windseeker

[lofty lotus]

not seen a war with thunderfury this expo

but seen a few rogues

[dark elbow]

Its time for me to farm that bloody thing then

[olive wraith]

Idk I feel like thane has better fx than slayer

[lofty lotus]

fx yes

[olive wraith]

I don’t mind that clap strong in aoe

[bold forge]

Fx looks sick don’t get me wrong

[lofty lotus]

but i feel like thunder blast could have had different sound

[dark elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/gorilla-monke-monkey-spin-ape-gif-25078721

Slayer be like

[lofty lotus]

more thundery

[olive wraith]

Isn’t it decently thundery

[bold forge]

I just prefer the theme of savagely swinging

[hot shell]

It has that tho doesnt it

[lofty lotus]

sounds just like normal thunder clap no?

[wind token]

no

[lofty lotus]

need to log in and check

ive forgotten

[hot shell]

https://tenor.com/view/lightning-gif-11811702

[drifting token]

TB? No thats very different

[lofty lotus]

ive been on slayer for so long i dont remember it

oh yeah its electric sounding

but not much bass into it

[wooden lagoon]

These changes seem shit

[drifting token]

I also enjoy the small added touch of hearing some rolling thunder every time you land with heroic leap if you're thane

[summer quail]

tblast sound owns

[hot shell]

Sounds like elemental shamans

[bold forge]

Favorite race for fury slayer?

[hot shell]

Horde or alliance ?

[bold forge]

Any

[hot shell]

Male zandalari troll

[olive wraith]

Reap gives me fan of knives vibes

[summer quail]

has dicktoes tho

[lofty lotus]

female orc

[bold forge]

True in vanilla trilogy idk about retail

[lofty lotus]

its good for tmog

[drifting token]

New race is pretty cool imo

[hot shell]

New race is just nightelf with fur

[lofty lotus]

to furry for me

[frank vault]

Dracthyr is based cuz glide lets you ignore a ton of knock back effects.

[lofty lotus]

otherwise they are fine

[dark elbow]

charge tho

[drifting token]

Used to be a worgen so that's fair

[frank vault]

Don't need to charge if you don't get knocked back. 🤪

[lofty lotus]

extra rage

[bold forge]

Yeah

[hot shell]

Question is do u care about pvp

[lofty lotus]

wat

[dark elbow]

Why cares about pvp

[bold forge]

Personally I play male orc since vanilla and I still like the racial but man does it look goofy these days

[frank vault]

When cares about PvP?

[bold forge]

Not really

[hot shell]

If not

1. Zandalar troll
2. Female orc
3. Female human
4. Male dwarf
5. Male maghar orc

[lofty lotus]

cus human gets a good pvp racial

[hot shell]

No. No they dont

[hybrid willow]

Yo I'm fleeing from arms, quick question regarding m+ -

Is slayer fury much worse than thane fury?

[lofty lotus]

they dont have the one that gets you out of stun anymore?

[dark elbow]

Im a human player, i dont care about pvp

[hot shell]

On a 3 min cd, yes

[vague tinsel]

I mean if u actually care bout pvp racials u go gnome

[hot shell]

The good part about humans was relentless. And thats gone

[lofty lotus]

currently i dont think there is a meaningful difference

later on maybe

[bold forge]

Female human and zandalari looks sick yeah. Also void elf female

[hybrid willow]

Aight thanks chief

[hot shell]

Any of the female elfs look clumsy. Like really clumsy. Looks like the model doesnt know what to do with 2 weapons

[compact knot]

its a longer cd trinket, other racials are more impactful

[lofty lotus]

maybe
dont know enough about pvp to speak

[dark elbow]

Slayer needs to charge up a little thane can just go, i think M0 packs die to slow currently 😛

[lofty lotus]

wdym charge up?

[compact knot]

nelf is typically just really good

[compact knot]

sudden death procs for bladestorm

[hot shell]

Nelf is good cause shadowmeld. Just based on animations the only good one is hunters

[lofty lotus]

i dont wait to buff up bladestorm before i use it

[dark elbow]

overwhelmed debuff

[compact knot]

you arent suppose too

also yeah overwhelmed

[frank vault]

Male Nelf animations are goofy. Female animations are mostly fine.

[lofty lotus]

i use bladestorm then buff it up for second use and so on

[dark elbow]

thane is just press avatar and go banana

[compact knot]

but like first pulls of the dungeon are usually the weakest for slayer

which isnt ideal since you usually lust first pulls

[lofty lotus]

yeah true but i also just charge > whirlwind > rek > blade

[bold forge]

Female nelf had bis animations in vanilla, too bad it was a meme race

[lunar oracle]

Am i safe to fuck off rend when playing slayer? it seems to do doing nothing at all

[hot shell]

Thatll change with higher difficulty when you reck twice in first pull

[lofty lotus]

in 12.0.5 WW applies rend

[hot shell]

ST yes we talk less than 1%, MT keep it, press it before rb

[compact knot]

very good button in aoe btw

deadass some pulls its my 2nd highest damage

[bold forge]

Everything is significant damage when you’re not a top tier dps spec, it’s a slippery slope where you might want to justify not using rend, not spending on the best enchants and consumes etc

Just do it

[lunar oracle]

hmm okies will be happy when 12.0.5 comes along then, not a fan of watching its uptime and reaplying tbh xD

[dark elbow]

Dont tallent it so you dont forget to press it

[lofty lotus]

not sure you will

[hot shell]

True. Even 0.5% dps on rend in ST will bring you closer to tankdmg

[bold forge]

Kek

[compact knot]

you will not like 12.0.5

[lunar oracle]

xD

[hot shell]

So heres my experience

[copper parcel]

If you are slayer that is

[hot shell]

I go into a dung with geared people, spamm my abilitys like a madman, start sweating, feel good, look at dps.
Solid 90k.
Meanwhile the tank sits at 130. The mage at 150 and the devourer somehow popped off with 180.

[lofty lotus]

tanks do insane dmg atm

[dark elbow]

[hot shell]

First bossfight. Im scared the voidweaver disc priest will beat me in damage.

[lofty lotus]

im usually top dps
i can compete with devo and mage cus they are really big burst the fall off just like fury but i feel like fury does better when burst ends

blood dk tho...

[dark elbow]

pumper group tbh

[hot shell]

I mean

[lofty lotus]

cant even come close to blood dk dps on big pulls

[hot shell]

Are you familiar with the vdh gameplay currently

[lofty lotus]

kinda

[hot shell]

Jump in, press meta, 5 souls, meteorshower

Get a procc, 5 souls, second mwteor shower

Whoop 180k dps

And thats a tank

On 228 itemlevel

[bold forge]

They should fall off hard in m+ higher keys

[lofty lotus]

yeye tanks are busted atm

[bold forge]

Having to actually move

[lofty lotus]

why need dps... or healers

5 blood dk's

[hot shell]

Blood dk is and will always we bad in high keys tho

[lofty lotus]

all plate users as well thus helping with gear 😄

[lofty lotus]

im just memeing

[hot shell]

The "be squishy but heal alot" doesnt help when u get oneshot

You might be. For now. Untim they outdamage you

[lofty lotus]

THEY HAVE

[hot shell]

[lofty lotus]

my guidy is a blood dk

[hot shell]

https://tenor.com/view/boy-on-sticks-girl-on-bar1-3girls-chart-ex-baby-weights-gif-2775553865504591225

[lofty lotus]

also nothing feels better than a prot pally outdamaing me on 3 targets

havent seen a prot war as tank yet

[hot shell]

And outhealing the healer too

[lofty lotus]

weird

[hot shell]

Im p sure its the worst tank rn

Go to prot ask nimchip

[bold forge]

It’s good that prot war is bad so fury gets an easier slot

[compact knot]

just ran a plate stack

pwar 2 furys 1 unholy and a hpal

pwar does no damage and has no self healing

xdd

[lofty lotus]

no dmg really?

[hybrid yew]

how do i not be miserable as a fury warrior, so many other classes seem to be doing a lot better in damage

[lofty lotus]

prot war usual does more dmg than other tanks from what i remember

[compact knot]

what

[lofty lotus]

but classes have changed so much so im not suprised

tanks not warrs*

[compact knot]

the last 2 tiers that has been true

typically one of the higher damaging tanks

its also true in ST rn but the aoe just isnt there

kinda true in ST

beat by monk and bear only

[hot shell]

Thing is

[lofty lotus]

brew dmg is insane atm wdym

[compact knot]

yes i said that

[hot shell]

Prot warr is a very good mitigation tank.. for phys damage. Its not so geat with msgicsl and its certainly not great at self sustain

[lofty lotus]

oh mb

[compact knot]

ppal is the glass cannon of tanks i think

[hot shell]

With the ammount of group and random damage.. and magic..the dungeons have itll most likely be a self sustained tank meta again

[lofty lotus]

isnt that for bdk?

[compact knot]

nah not really

i dont think bdk is as squishy as it seems now

also doesnt do nearly as much damage as ppal

[hot shell]

Druid is handsdown the best tank rn

[compact knot]

it just is

[hot shell]

Doesnt need a healer and outdamages everything

[compact knot]

and its not close

its the highest dps in aoe and st out of all 4 druid specs

well feral prob beats it but

feral ST is pretty good

[lofty lotus]

yeah the bear does so much ST dmg as well

[hybrid yew]

Man, I hate when we're out of rage and abilities are on cooldown so we're just stuck auto attacking with wet noodle weapons for a few seconds

[hot shell]

You never are stuck autoattacking

[lofty lotus]

ive never been there

[compact knot]

that does tend to happen when bloodthirst is meta

[lofty lotus]

WW or Tclap

[hybrid yew]

so instead of wet noodle auto attack i wet noodle WW on a single target 😭 still doesnt feel good

[compact knot]

you can wrecking throw

it atleast hits semi hard

[feral ivy]

how does my warrior (main) has more crest than my alt? i did same amount of dungeons

[compact knot]

prey mechanic gives 10

[hot shell]

Prey? Quests?

[compact knot]

each time you do it

[feral ivy]

oh didnt do prey

[novel sleet]

If slayer changes go through with little to no changes on the 17th, safe to assume Thane is the new go to spec for m+?

[hot shell]

Nothing to do with the 17th

[stone canopy]

Isn't thane go-to anyway rn?

[hot shell]

And thane already is the go to spec if you want to maximize dmg

[novel sleet]

ah okay, I thought they were close enough it didnt matter up until these new changes that will take place in .5

[bold forge]

Rend and throw

Zero reason to have dead globals

[rare garnet]

nah, play BT > Ramp > Execute, thats it, take the fun 25% auto attacking time and dead globals and eat the 12% loss for some fun memes obviously

[bold forge]

The real fun is getting yelled at by whole group for doing dog damage

[rare garnet]

eh, still probably high purple parse, average player isn't too great

[young swan]

this only happens if u get unlucky or mismanage cooldowns

u can just get unlucky with RB tho

why is why rb should just go back to being a button that u can press infinitely during enrage!

[rare garnet]

i mean, doesnt even happen now and again, cause you still have ww in your back pocket

[sudden tusk]

just remove the cd from RB and make it always be our lowest prio

[rare garnet]

thats just WW with extra steps

[bold forge]

At the very worst you sometimes rarely press WW ST, and even that is unlikely as it should be time to refresh rend

[young swan]

oh i mean idk about slayer that spec feels like ass

ive exclusively been playing thane

cause its like

1% worse

and way more enjoyable

[fleet garden]

thunderclap go boom

[bold forge]

There’s nothing ass about swinging your arms at mobs like a savage

Thunder blast is like shaman role playing !

[rare garnet]

in where? them seem much farther apart than that from what i see?

at least comparing the M+ builds?

[crystal summit]

Raging blow proca lightning strikes maybe there's play in that. Take the RB talents and go ham?

[young swan]

these are my slayer and thane sims

i dont compare m+ shit cause its irrelevant to me

[hot shell]

I just wish i had as many BT as my sim

[rare garnet]

gotcha, isn't like, none of the raid pure ST?

[slim coral]

it's mostly cleave fights correct

[young swan]

yeah but its also not entirely aoe

so i split the difference and drop meat cleaver for thane

prio matters

[slim coral]

there's plenty of down time between ads spawning on a lot of fights

[wise wren]

So is thane still the way to go for M+? Doesnt seem like the random changes did much to it

[young swan]

well those changes dont come for like

8 weeks

so

the answer is yes either way

[wise wren]

Oh gotcha

[young swan]

until tomorrow/monday/tuesday

[rare garnet]

do they have super different stat prios?

[young swan]

nope

exact same

[hot shell]

Takes 3 minutes for my sim to run out of things to use

[rare garnet]

interresting, i have no clue how your sims are so close then, mine are like 4-5% apart

[young swan]

is 50k sim the power of getting good trinket drops

[rare garnet]

nah im a cheating padder

[young swan]

ah i see

makes sense

[rare garnet]

no clue if trinkets are good sims liked these for ST tho

[young swan]

kroluks is giga

the voidstorm trinket is beastmode but its just implemented wrongly

it procs all the stuff in instanced content

[sudden tusk]

ive been fishing all day

[rare garnet]

yeah its hard for me to try and compare, its was up like 60-70% when i was logging m0s this week

[sudden tusk]

for a sword that i coulda bought for 70k

[rare garnet]

only real fishers get loot

[spiral ridge]

damn how much that cost you 🤣

[rare garnet]

i am not responsible

thats how much

[sudden tusk]

even bought the grand line

you spent like a mil on that lmao

[rare garnet]

i said im not responsible

🫃

[vague tinsel]

oooooo lord

fury is actually disgusting as thane in pvp with a good group

💀

[young swan]

@rare garnet slayer mixed is Imp WW no MC, AoE is with MC, current is thane with Imp WW no MC, Thane aoe is with MC

didnt bother simming slayer ST

[rare garnet]

yeah i just copied all the wowhead builds

but agree no reason to use the ST only slayer build

[feral ivy]

can you do the prey system hard everyday or is it 4 times a week?

[rare garnet]

4 times a week from the board, first 2 give loot, can also run randoms from the guy

[frank dawn]

you can do it as much as you want, but only the first 2 per character give loot

[feral ivy]

ok tyty

[brittle mauve]

Yo Chads can we send our sparks for crafted gear right now or should we wait ?

Theres always that trepidation

[summer quail]

wait

[frank vault]

Still best to craft a 2h once you get enough Mythic crests, right?

[brittle mauve]

Aight

[hot shell]

Always a good choice with fury. Even if you get a weap in week 1, u can always use 2

[dark wind]

i just noticed something, Arathor wields a 2h sword and shield lol. I tried as fury on my dracthyr warr and you also can, dunno how i never though about it

wich makes me wonder how cool would be if there was a build that actually allowed to play with 2h and shield.

[frank vault]

I remember back in WotLK when I tried Fury tanking when they introduced Titan's Grip. It... didn't go well

[kindred scarab]

i heard good things about gladiator stance warrior in SoD, basically a sword/shield prot oriented more to dps, it sounded nice.

[frank vault]

Gladiator stance back in WoD was awesome. Impossible to balance cuz it was dumb tanky and did a ton of DPS. Didn't play SoD, so can't comment on that version.

[serene birch]

I dont know current sims, were warriors working up to being overpowered?

[modest condor]

no

[sullen tendon]

found a special kind of warrior while leveling an alt through dungeons

they yearn for glad spec

[modest condor]

fury was kinda middle of the pack and arms was competing with healers

[remote bobcat]

rampage is useless just tabtarget bt cheers

[sullen tendon]

I dont think he could rampage becuase he was wearing a one hander and shield

[remote bobcat]

exactly thats the point im making

[sullen tendon]

also he as casting whirlwind and thunde rclap for some reason

[remote bobcat]

everything else on cd -> press ww

cant RB cant Rampage

(they useless anyway)

🙂‍↕️

[sullen tendon]

this must be the new glad class designer

[frank vault]

The monkey's paw curls: Gladiator is back, but it's a support class now.

[marble pilot]

Sword and board melee dps would be my main forever.
Ideally spear and shield but still

[dry hawk]

I need to clap harder at 240

[remote bobcat]

The monkey's paw curls again: You get Sword and board melee dps but every button is a different buff/debuff upkeep

[marble pilot]

Thats fine. Ill deal with it.

[modest condor]

it's surprising how rare spear shield is as a weapon type in mmorpgs

[sudden tusk]

yeah enough fishing

i just bought the thing

[wooden lagoon]

so we just saving vets for next week to hsavre embelishments where we want right so why not just send into one weapon at 250 so we csan upgrsade the other one to so cheapo lol

[brittle crow]

i got a job i dont want to go to work

i want to play world of warcraft

:(

[pearl sequoia]

then quit

[brittle crow]

dont want my car to get repod

[pearl sequoia]

put yourr car on green

[wooden lagoon]

just become the best warrior int he game and raid for liquid

[brittle crow]

i already am the best warrior in the game but they dont want me

[wooden lagoon]

make 30k a year grinding 20 chasrs

i got bad news and good news for you

the good news is max said if your the best he will take you... the bad news well your nott the best

[brittle crow]

im what they call a hidden gem

[wooden lagoon]

yeah lets go with that your just probably too good how bout that. it wouldnt be fair to echo

[brittle crow]

it is a simple exposure issue

u dont get into top guilds if they dont know who u are

[faint gazelle]

has anyone done the sims on the food buffs we will be using

65 secondary vs 50 primary

[pearl sequoia]

main stat sims higher

with current gear anyway

[faint gazelle]

yeah thats what i got

ty

[dry hawk]

you know its bad when you are told 5+ targets Clap is after Rampage LOL then this shit exists the tank doesnt know how to pull 🙁

[rare garnet]

I’m confused

[hot shell]

Why does the healer do so much dmg is what i care about, no idea what youre trying to say tho

[dry hawk]

the tank was not pulling a lot

[hot shell]

Low count pulls is common for newish tanks

[dry hawk]

and I feel like clap was to high

[rare garnet]

Gods I just want m+ so I can do more than 2 hours of content

Let me play the game

[hot shell]

Can we talk about the 36k healer dps

[rare garnet]

Pretty standard

[hot shell]

Fine, ill stop healing. Looks like am bad at it

[rare garnet]

I assume they had no need to heal the blood DK and just full sent damage

[keen kindle]

Im sorry

[hot shell]

No youre not

[keen kindle]

They just made h&s always refund RB?

[hot shell]

Not yet

But thats the ptr notes

[keen kindle]

Yes I know

Also....reap nerf?

[hot shell]

Yeap

[summer quail]

big reap nerf

[keen kindle]

You just dont get reap in st?

[hot shell]

Reap doesnt exist in ST anymore if it comes thru like that

[keen kindle]

Thats so fucking dumb

[summer quail]

correct

[hot shell]

It is

[keen kindle]

Wait

Does exe still proc it?

[hot shell]

No

Only ww 3+ targets

Nothing else

[keen kindle]

Seriously

fucking why

[supple sinew]

am I stupid or does the 12.0.5 patch look like thane would even be better in ST

[summer quail]

sd not proccing it is by far the worst change imo

[supple sinew]

like slayer dead

[hot shell]

If it comes live like that, thats what it looks like

[summer quail]

they just fixed us using sd in aoe and then take it away. was the most beloved change and they remove it

[lyric rain]

yes thane will have more ST than slayer basically

[brittle crow]

inspired change to make exe feel good to press again

then they kill it immediately

[keen kindle]

We literally begged them for that

And we dont even get it for a season lmafo

Blizz what the actual hell

[hot shell]

As i said. Warrior is perfectly balanced

https://tenor.com/view/boy-on-sticks-girl-on-bar1-3girls-chart-ex-baby-weights-gif-2775553865504591225

[supple sinew]

I'm kinda newer to retail wow. Does community outcry over balance on ptr ever make them change anything?

[hot shell]

Depends on the class

If its mage yes

[keen kindle]

Wait

Dosent this also just murder arms

[summer quail]

ofcourse

[supple sinew]

you can't kill which is already dead

[hot shell]

Cant murder something thats already dead

[keen kindle]

Jesus christ blizz just dosent want me to touch warr for another xpack

These changes are actually trolling

[hot shell]

Arms had a ok time in tww s2

Fury had an ok time in tww s3

[keen kindle]

See

[hot shell]

Last time warr was good was legion

[keen kindle]

I didnt play s3

And I was locked into enhance for s2

[hot shell]

So expect anotjer 2-3 xpacs to be solid again

[dry hawk]

bring back bloodbath execute

[keen kindle]

Fuck the tuning, besides current arms

I can handle being tuned below average

[hot shell]

Besides the damage fury is still the most fun to play, imho

[rare garnet]

Nerf arms.

[keen kindle]

But these design changes make zero sense

[keen kindle]

Nerf mages

No wait

[hot shell]

Nerf dks instead of buffing them 20%

[keen kindle]

Nerf this

[keen kindle]

Just udk leave frost alone man

[smoky nacelle]

Nerfing us has always felt personal

[hot shell]

New ability on uhdk: Ghouls have a chance to procc reap the storm since it died for warrior

[rare garnet]

Guys it’s only 12.0.5 PTR just let them cook it’s still early 12.1.0 probably great.

[keen kindle]

So

We're fucked for the entire season

[rare garnet]

Nah

[supple sinew]

isn't thane good?

these changes just destroy slayer

[rare garnet]

Monday 50% buff to fury

[hot shell]

You shouldnt let blizz near any kitchen at this point. Sell tuning to square enix and itll be gucci

[keen kindle]

I mean honestly kinda shocked they just took the fattest dump on slayer for no reason

[supple sinew]

maybe it won't make to live ?

[rare garnet]

Wow players would fucking hate FF14 class design

[keen kindle]

Holy fuck are they still scared of what happened in tww s1?

[hot shell]

Im not talking design

Im talking damage tuning

[keen kindle]

I would rather die then let those god awful class designers taint another game

[rare garnet]

It’s tuned because of how it’s designed

It’s a static rotation

[keen kindle]

They kinda go hand in hand tbh to a degree

[hot shell]

Fair point, i apologize

[keen kindle]

Yeah the thing is the reason why 14 is so well tuned

[hot shell]

I hate ff14. But u cant say anything bad about the tuning tbh

[keen kindle]

Is cuz its hyper homonogized

Evreyone has similar to the same cd timings

[rare garnet]

But I do wish that we didn’t get class redesigned every 3 months. I kinda like that classes are mostly the same for good periods of time in FF. As soon as you like something in wow it’s gone.

[keen kindle]

I do agree

At some point I want to tell blizzard to just stop

And things like slayer feel like change just cuz why not

[silk wharf]

To be fair. The vast majority of FF players have no clue how they are performing in order to form an opinion on tuning because addons are banned.

[keen kindle]

....why wouldnt they?

Bevause they cant take 2 seconds to turn on the in game damage meter

Logs still exist

[rare garnet]

Yeah but very few actually log tbh

[keen kindle]

True but my point is we haven't actually lost any metrics to gauge performance

Besides aug ig

Oh

Ff players

I cant read

No I thought you said wow

[silk wharf]

Ah

[keen kindle]

Ur right on 14

[rare garnet]

Part of me feels wow would be better if players don’t log. 10% maybe use them as actionable tools to improve. Most just ego or doom. Stand in puddles looking at meters. I’m happy with how things are but curious what a celebrate the outcome (dead boss dead dungeon) wow would feel like

[keen kindle]

I feel like the sad part about that is you'd need a different game

The community already went insane with addons just being restricted

[rare garnet]

Oh for sure. The rot is too deep.

[young swan]

unfortunately logs are just mandatory now cause the in game meter is fucking dogshit

[keen kindle]

I mean also I still think blizzard's ui is pretty terrible

[median umbra]

they also design this game with dps tracking and performance optimization in mind lol

[silk wharf]

Not being able to see a comprehensive damage breakdown at a glance is so bad.

[rare garnet]

Yeah I’m about to just turn it off. So useless I’ve started auto logging everything since prepatch

[keen kindle]

I feel like so much of the problem with ui is because addons developed faster then the base ui. And addons accommodated players wants and needs for years

[brittle crow]

i just hit 80 on alt alt, im ilvl 77
will i get beat up by midnight quests

do i need to gear up some

[hot shell]

You take quite a beating yes

[silk wharf]

Nahhh, maybe the elite stuff. Just dont do that stuff yet.

[hot shell]

Is it a warr ?

[brittle crow]

its a ddh

[silk wharf]

You can also pick up a suite of ilvl 200 stuff for like 2k gold.

[brittle crow]

2k gold total? or each

distinction

[silk wharf]

Total

[bleak bluff]

um
is there a channel where i can make a official complaint to warrior devs.
for fuks sake do they even play this game

[hot shell]

Thats for lv88

[keen kindle]

The fourms

[brittle crow]

word ill look

[hot shell]

The lv80 stuff is expensive

[silk wharf]

80

OH

I need to read

[keen kindle]

Devs are never in class discord

[rare garnet]

Didn’t develop faster. Blizz just stopped developing. Used to go to the gym. Take care of themselves. But they gave up. Then one day 20 years later they said I DONT NEED NO MAINTENANCE MAN I CAN FIX MY OWN ROOF and here we are.

[silk wharf]

Youll be fine

[silk wharf]

Nah nah, I need to read

You said 80]

[brittle crow]

o

[keen kindle]

Actually thats a better way to put it

[silk wharf]

At 80 youll be fine

[brittle crow]

i heard delves are piss easy at 80 and then i just turn in the quests at lvl 88

ill do that

[hot shell]

Lv88 iremlevel 204 costs like 50-100g per piece
Lv80 around il 140 costs 5-10k depending on server

[rare garnet]

The comment option at the bottom of the cancel sub screen.

[brittle crow]

t1 and t3 delves provide the same-ish exp dont they?

ur mostly doing it for the quest

[rare garnet]

They won’t care but yeah

[brittle crow]

oh this is free-z nvm

[hot shell]

If youre alchemist or blacksmith or both just give him both collecting professions, level about 7-8 hours with farming.
Domt have to buy stuff for a while and the 204il on endlevel is cheap af

[trail crypt]

so if the changes go into the game will slayer just spam ww ?

[brittle mauve]

Y'all know when the major class tuning patch is coming? And when the notes will drop? Ty

[minor jolt]

Thane or Slayer for M+ boys

[median umbra]

thane is the bigger blaster currently but it is subject to change

[long smelt]

is slayer still gonna be btr for raid now that reap the storm is basically aoe only?

[summer quail]

🔮

[lament lagoon]

our bis trinks atm are from prvious xpacs?

[edgy widget]

those changes aren't until 12.0.5, by which point it's unlikely that raid adds live long enough to matter

[long smelt]

oh opps i saw changes and assumed it was next weeks balancing. thanks for clarifying!

[tardy matrix]

https://youtu.be/dsTVu0XUmYo?t=429

please petko save us

(timestamped to warrior part because who cares about the rest)

[young swan]

we only shill BAZE and MADOX here

and CRITCAKE if he ever UPLOADS

🔥 🔥 🔥

[sullen dove]

bro said baze 🥀

need baze rotation vid b4 raid starts to get 99s day 1

[misty edge]

bazehold

[upbeat plume]

Sigh why couldn't we have just had rend on ww from the get go like thane instead of them tripling down on a button nobody asked for lol

[worn yoke]

I'd rather it be the other way around, I'm fine with taking and playing rend, but let it apply meat cleaver (although i think its just called whirlwind now, or improved whirlwind) gives us an option for filling with when needed and also doesnt feel like a dead global when you want to refresh stacks as well as reapply dot

[celest sierra]

wont lie warrior feels really bad

[young swan]

i like thane

cant say the same about slayer

[celest sierra]

i havnt tried slayer

but thane feels weak

[tardy matrix]

slayer was my goat king

[summer quail]

huh? thane does not feel weak

[worn yoke]

both specs are preforming relatively good overall (in dungeons) but do not excel at either single target (in fact its quite low) or aoe.

IMO thane 'feels' better to play than slayer, as slayers damage is very proc dependent on reap (god i hope they revert this 12.0.5 removal of reap on SD)

[celest sierra]

yeh our St is shot

[young swan]

thane does good st until lust drops

[cyan star]

Fury at least beats tanks.
Arms does not

[young swan]

depends on the tank

promise u fury doesnt beat a good bear or brew

[celest sierra]

i got rekt by a 240 prot pally

[young swan]

i fear thats a you problem

[forest ginkgo]

[cyan star]

Real.
I’ve seen every tank do 50k on a boss fight

BM monks and Guardian druids are by far the most pumpers though

[forest ginkgo]

Imagine blizzard see warriors statement now, and give us wrong possible changes in 12.0.5 instead of just buff numbers.

[cyan star]

I honestly think the changes are taking in consideration Tuesday buffs

No way they’ll tune us below healers

[forest ginkgo]

And mostly meme things evere, that's unholy dk just have 2xsimdps of arms

In ST

Just think how much they not give a fuck about warriors statement

[cyan star]

214uhdk sims a little lower then 288 arms BIS

[forest ginkgo]

Yeah, that's what I'm talking about

[cyan star]

https://tenor.com/view/fail-popcorn-stumbled-tripped-gif-17106006

Blizzard tuning

[jolly marten]

Considering the last balance changes announced reap the storm hero talent is like is disappearing in ST encounter? Right?

[forest ginkgo]

Even if they give arms pure +30% dps buff to all abilities, that makes him lower mid tier dps.

[jolly marten]

It will proc only from ww or additional to procing from BT?

[forest ginkgo]

Only ww

[cyan star]

Yea my brother thought I was joking about needing a 30% buff the I mentioned how tanks OBR is ahead of us by like 10%

[jolly marten]

So in st it doesn’t proc at all

[fading sky]

30is low

05 nerf makes arms prob need 50

[cyan star]

Most of the nerfs are for AoE

[gusty compass]

We will probably get a buff now on reset and this nerf is for the patch. No way we are getting a double whammy, but it would not surprise me if they did that..

[bleak topaz]

Dummies test: 30 sec - thane standard prio vs just hit ww, stay enraged and dump rage

[cyan star]

Yea. The patch notes are specifically for 12.0.5, not Tuesday

[bleak topaz]

Wlc to 3 buttons fury

[bleak topaz]

Compare and post

[tepid lily]

peak thumbnail

goodnighty

[edgy widget]

dead and buried

[lapis rose]

Guys can I ask about prio in st and aoe thane, I watching guides wowhead and icy, they bit different

[lofty lotus]

i do
st - ramp > blood thrust > thunder blast > raging blow

same for aoe just swap out raging blow for thunder clap

[somber thicket]

Hmm are demo and udk rly op? Overall

[lofty lotus]

wait for m+ where stuff lives longer

those classes need time to ramp up

[hushed mesa]

its gg

[lofty lotus]

there will always be meta classes man
doesnt mean we cant have our fun

unless we pushing +25 keys who cares

[bleak topaz]

They were just bad? 😜

[lapis rose]

My question is mostly about thunder difference in st and aoe, in guide wowhead recommended use only 2x stacks thunder in st , on icy even 1 stack better then bt/bb. also on icy thunder always better then rampage over 100 rage

[bleak topaz]

A decent mage pushes like 120k

[steady snow]

is raging blow lowest priority on slayer too

[somber thicket]

120k? Now on m0? Or beta?

[hot shell]

Stop playing like a normal human being, Thats why we get nerfed. Please use one button assistant 🙁

[stone jewel]

How is this discord still up after the notes? 😂 Channel the inner paladin and shut it down.

[bleak topaz]

Tbh it doesnt matter much dmg-wise 😂 Reck+Avatar, odyn, spam ww, stay enraged with bt and spend rage with ramp

[lapis rose]

Wdym spam ww?

[bleak topaz]

Yess 😆 m0 felt like tanks sidekick

[lapis rose]

U mean thunder ?

[lofty lotus]

second person to see to mention this

[bleak topaz]

Thats a good question and I'd really like to discuss it with blizz fury devs. Test it on dummies you'll see

[dry talon]

We using slayer on ST,l for now yes?

[lapis rose]

But I rly not understand, I saw wowhead guide and nothing about ww

[lofty lotus]

bliz is buffing WW and nerfing RTS

they making RST only proc from WW

15% chance from WW

and cus we only use WW every 5th GCD

we almost never see RTS unless we spam WW

going from one of our top AOE abilities to none existant

[bleak topaz]

The guides are from the gone days of furys glory

[lofty lotus]

i went and tested Fury on the test server and dps wise its lower but not that much

if we follow the old playstyle ofc

[lapis rose]

I was thinking about prio yesterday like 2 hours and trying min max for tuning when I should spam ww like baboon?

[lofty lotus]

in 12.0.5

😄

those changes arent out yet

[lapis rose]

When it ?

[lofty lotus]

from what i heard in about 2 months?

[fiery edge]

thane?

[lapis rose]

Well ok but for now is it rly small diff between use 1 and 2 stacks thunder in st? And what we should rly prio

[somber thicket]

Slayer

[spice granite]

what are we even prio crafting at this point

[frank crystal]

After changes we just change rotation ? Is it a nerf or more of a button prop redirect ?

[random shadow]

Oh man the 17th is gonna be so fun once folks ask about rotation like they are rn for a patch thats 2 months away lol

[surreal token]

Is Nightmare Prey available this week?

[random shadow]

No

[surreal token]

ty

[random shadow]

Should be next tuseday

[surreal token]

nightmare prey awards champion track gear right?

[random shadow]

I belive so

[shy knot]

How do you guys deal with the prio of rampage under 100 being all the way down ?

With no wa

[random shadow]

Wdym

[shy knot]

Check the prio

Ramp over 100 rage at the top, under down the bottom of the rotation

[random shadow]

I mean. I dont think much of it. If rage is over 100 I just click rampage. Espically when im in cds. Other wise its just not prio unless I havw no buttons to click

[fiery edge]

[summer quail]

idk i have a bar, can tell approximately

[random shadow]

Oh if yoy mean that way ye get a bar addon like better cdm or sensei

[jolly marten]

If anything else we are laughing hard with these changes

If you want to find the positive

I think, that these changes are in line with their intention of making specs easier and more streamlined

[bleak topaz]

More mastery and haste for me, whatever gear drops its 9 times out of 10 to have crit & vers

Ive got like 2 items with haste&mastery only 🙄

[jolly marten]

We were pressing to many buttons in aoe, forced to spam 2 buttons

[random shadow]

Really. Relatable. In due time

[random shadow]

Were we? I thought aoe was rather simple. Ignoring spamming buttons as thats our spec

[shy knot]

You mean RB ?

To proc spin lol

[random shadow]

I mean cant really change much. We're gonna be spamming the same 3 buttons and a ww for aoe

[shy knot]

Kinda funny that ramp with all these bonuses is still not prioed

[shy knot]

Thats the fury way

[jolly marten]

Im mean BT, we pressed BT in aoe as slayer, well not any more after these changes

[shy knot]

I play clapper rn

Didnt try slayer yet properly

[random shadow]

I mean thats what slayer was before tier set in s3

But now rb hits like a wet noodle worse then MS for arms lmao

[native wadi]

Tbh i wouldnt mind if they deleted the class and did it again

Nothing makes sense rn

Prio is messed up, talent tree is fucking horrible losing main defs

Pvp talents in the tree

Terrible cds

No execute power as a warr

Dunno if its me but s3 was a high and then this came

[random shadow]

Cds the same no?

Its still reckless and avatar without ravaged

[native wadi]

0 impact and no sense apex

Yeah use rage so you get cds back

[random shadow]

Not any different as s3 tho

[native wadi]

Then apex reduced the rage you use and you overcap constantly

[random shadow]

You rampage and executed with SD to reset cds

[shy knot]

No defs is TERRIBLE

[native wadi]

Use of rampages to get bs back was a cool mechanic

Now they cost 50 and you overcap and its not even prio

[shy knot]

who tf made the tree full of so many good picks that we cant even take ER

[random shadow]

I dont remember that. SD excute was how you got BS back not ramp

Ramp was for avatar and reck

[native wadi]

No

That is new from this exp buddy

It got a slight change

[random shadow]

Idk man I vaguely remember that in s3

[native wadi]

Then we got no defs

They put the stance talent

Which is cool af

And you cant make it to it

Hahaahaha

[shy knot]

All the cool stuff

[native wadi]

Design is lacking everywhere

[shy knot]

You dont take

[random shadow]

Isn't the defensives more or less same as last season? I dont remember much defenses

Besides enraged regen

[native wadi]

In aoe scenarios

You cant take enraged regen

[shy knot]

Because of too many %dmg garbage sprinkled all over

[native wadi]

Exactly

[shy knot]

Bad design

[native wadi]

0 impact talents make you not able to get the cool stuf

I get we shouldnt get everything

But come on...

[shy knot]

There should be flex talents

[native wadi]

What is that ass talents 8s inmune if you die

Remove that fucking shit

You dont even use it in pvp

[shy knot]

Lmao

[native wadi]

Whats the point

[shy knot]

Artifact ass talent

[native wadi]

Then there is the arms thing...

[shy knot]

Lool

[native wadi]

Really who tf designs this

[shy knot]

Arms is beyond bad

[native wadi]

Im the only warr in a progress guild and cant reroll

But it does not make sense to play warr

At this point

[shy knot]

Go prot

[native wadi]

Warlock alt thousand defs

We have our tanks already

0 warrs in progress

[shy knot]

Atleast we dont have 2 buttons like ret

[random shadow]

Rets like arms currently. Terrible spot they say

[shy knot]

But Ill prolly try to lvl dk and konk

[random shadow]

They have a solid 5 sec or so of doentime

[shy knot]

Monk

[shy knot]

Lmao thats so bad

[random shadow]

I wish that upon no one. Having 5 seconds of downtime sounds awful

[native wadi]

But thats balance

Im talking design

[shy knot]

Downtime is only acceptable on assa rogue

[native wadi]

Balance is easy to fix

[random shadow]

They got one of their abilities removed or something

Rotation changed a lot. Have 5-10 seconds of downtime

[native wadi]

Ret design is cool

[random shadow]

Just awful

[native wadi]

Got flashy shit slap on cds and has a lot of engaging gameplay with sacri freedom etf

[random shadow]

Im surprised they didnt close the discord again

[native wadi]

They will get an aura buff next week and they gucci

They slap in aoe

Balance wise fury is bad but not so bad

But im sure is the clas with least design time of all

They ask chatgpt and they do what ever it says

[frank vault]

They're owned by M$, so CoPilot. 😂

[native wadi]

Enough crying for today imma work

When do we close discord

[random shadow]

Once we see 17th notes

[ocean bramble]

what hero talents are ppl going for mplus

[frank vault]

Warrior aura -10% incoming.

[shy knot]

Clapper for m+

[ocean bramble]

copy

[spring jacinth]

It may have been asked, but is there a reason why all guides say to craft the sword?
I see the higher dps is on the polearm by 0.1 and highest max damage is on the axe.
Aren't those considered better? or am i missing something?

[fading sky]

swords cooler

end of story

[radiant plank]

weapon damage is normalized

[fading sky]

matters not

also Sword u can GET crafted

[radiant plank]

crafting a different weapon than sword wont change anything

[frank vault]

Max damage hasn't mattered since like WoD. Maybe even before that? And 0.1 weapon DPS isn't going to contribute much.

[radiant plank]

and in sims 0.1 is considered variance

so it basically leads to no ingame difference

[fading sky]

sword u get from blacksmithing i think Axe and polearm are drops

from raid

[spring jacinth]

ah i see, so in other words, u can craft whatever u want cause it's really minimal dps difference from variance , but sword is cooler. Ty 😄

[bleak topaz]

Don't craft anything atm, coming m+ will have a higher ilvl

[frank vault]

"Minimal DPS difference" is maybe still overselling it. There would be essentially no DPS difference.

[fading sky]

yeah ofc dont craft atm

i mean unless its without spark

u can have as much fun as u want realisticly with vet crest for little downside

ofc i would reccomend the whole stack 160 vets send out BIS crafts in Bracer + cloak

[frank vault]

Vet crests for embellishments is the way for now.

[spring jacinth]

yeah i can't even craft anyway, was just wondering by looking at the items i can craft

but appreciate the answers, ty

[bleak topaz]

But you're welcome to use my bs skills for the blood knight sword as soon as you've got the 4 sparks anyway 😂

[random shadow]

Can you when recruiting the 2 emblishment take out the emblishment from say a cloak or braces when yoy plan to craft a weapon with emblishment

[fading sky]

yes but

u wont craft a weapon with embellishment

if u allready crafted on cloak // bracer

[random shadow]

Isn't weapon embellishment usually good tho

[fading sky]

i mean its bis for early crafts not taking into very early crafts ?:D

like the veteran track item being replaced by a HC item

then u go 1 weap 1 what ever is not hc

[random shadow]

Just wondering. I havw my 2 vet embelishment crafted. Thinking on how I wanna go about the future retracting stuff

[fading sky]

there u go 2 embellishments

u are replacing vet with hc im pretty certain

like before u can even craft a myth track weapon

and crafting weapon b4 myth track is a waste of crests?

[random shadow]

I plan to wait till m+ anyways for my weapon

[fading sky]

y so send

2 x vet track b4 next raid

[random shadow]

I'll probably replace a cloak or brace with a heroic item

[fading sky]

yea my thoughts exactly

or just have 1 laying aroudn to when u want to

[random shadow]

I'll just pick up a champ or hero weapon hopefully and leave it not upgraded and just wait till myth crafted and call it

[tardy matrix]

ok enh shaman is kinda gas

i think i found my refuge if these idiots push this

[ocean bramble]

just reroll the true master spec

ret paladin

[tardy matrix]

and do less?

first time enh shaman at 222 il

[bleak topaz]

The little girl knew it all along - mr paladin is to save the kitty

[ocean bramble]

you need a legend like Hashmaster in your group

[bleak topaz]

M0?

[tardy matrix]

ye

[shy knot]

Ret is trash

It was a joke spec in tww and they pruned even THAT

2 buttons

[lofty lotus]

ench is fun

[shy knot]

Go UDK

[lofty lotus]

faste pace like fury

[ocean bramble]

cant wait to top meters on my ret pal

[shy knot]

or WW

[wicked eagle]

So are we holding till we have 5 sparks when myth crests are available to craft?

[lofty lotus]

udk makes me sleepy how boring it is

[shy knot]

Playing ret in ST is torture

[deft palm]

Do i only use rampage when im at 115 rage or use it whenever its up

[shy knot]

Cant stand it

[lofty lotus]

gonna try outlaw rogue

[heavy galleon]

Why they balance the game 2 month later when they can do it now

[lofty lotus]

both will happen

[heavy galleon]

Blizzard is so bad to balance game

[ocean bramble]

race to world first stuff for sure

[heavy galleon]

You are probably right but waiting for 0.00001% player feels so wrong way

[lofty lotus]

lots of companies do that nowdays

[shy knot]

Most “competitive” games balance around top 1%

Altho WoW shouldnt count there

Unless its pvp

[lofty lotus]

yet they do these nerfes after world first

tho i doubt there will be many fury warriors xd

[bleak harness]

Maybe 1 for the buff , if they dont nerf guardian druid if they do , prot will see play most likely

[blissful hound]

Very likely yeah

[lofty lotus]

there is a chance that they will buff warriors on the 17th and nerf us on 12.05

but why play mind games like this idk

[bleak harness]

Still hoping for something , but my trust in blizz is in shambles

[blissful hound]

Melees are shit this tier anyway

Whats the point

[lofty lotus]

i just dont get it

it was FINE as it was

no way near the top

or the bottom

middle

why ruin it?

why remove RTS from us

[native wadi]

Bcs they hate us???

[real flame]

you have to do like the paladins and close the discord to get a buff 🤣🤣

[native wadi]

Preparing game for controller

Ww and rampage in bars

And rend (iconic skill)

[white relic]

WW mousewheel down

[lofty lotus]

why would they care if a discord is closed down anyway

how is that a protest?

[lofty lotus]

imo its already playable for controllers

[tardy matrix]

I, for one, would like to thank Blizzard for the bullshit they pulled. I am quickly falling in love with enh sham

It's fast paced just like fury and it actually does damage

[flat river]

with WW spam going on

i think they should make our apex wrecking ball

[shy knot]

Mail armor and weak 1h weapons

Also Thrall is a shaman and hes lame af

Ruined class identity

[pure breach]

https://klipy.com/gifs/wrecking-ball-miley-cyrus-1

[white relic]

i can only imagin, if the take away reap the storm from my ST abilities, that they will buff rampage over 100 % so that the spender is doing the most dmg.

any maybe blizz doesnt like a "proc" to be the most dmg ability.

[flat river]

BT buffed my 20%, RB nerfed by 10%

[summer quail]

Nah they will just make thane the play everywhere

[flat river]

take it or leave it

[dense elbow]

My positive view on the why:

• It reduces Reap from being the premium value in our damage profile, now after the change giving the devs more space to have BS fill that spot. 10% overall value from Reap gone, could mean they buff BS 100% to compensate.
• it allows them to increase the damage on our Exe, to make up for the dam loss on AoE in a way that also reinforces our ST and exe phase(that is lacking), the focus of Slayer.

[white relic]

if i take the same approche as kalamazi for affliction. you can make the same argument for slayer fury.

[proven stream]

watch blizzard do none of these and we are left with crumbs

[dense elbow]

That would be the more down to earth and realistic take. Only you forgot, they usually somehow make it less fun than you thought

[lofty lotus]

oh god i was reading BS as bullshit

[dense elbow]

[lofty lotus]

was wtf he talking about

im fine if they do that

but atm its a straigt dps nerf

no way to look at it otherwise

[dense elbow]

It is the dream scenario, yep

[lofty lotus]

not only DPS nerf

but fun nerf as well

which is the worst part

[dense elbow]

Dps will be tuned, yet if they make uncapped buttons (ww) the press on AoE over Exe, then SD procs feels forced for CDR, that is a feels bad moment I dont think even blizz wants

[lofty lotus]

how can we know what they want

[heavy dock]

so guys are we spamming ww in aoe now? xD

[lofty lotus]

not yet

WW spam will be not optimal

[median umbra]

bind all your keys to ww and see what happens

[heavy dock]

even on like 10 targets?

[dense elbow]

PTR, but yeah, mass AoE it will be the play

[lofty lotus]

dunno ive only tried on target dummies

and on them its a dps loss

[heavy dock]

lowkey hapy i decided to roll tank this time around

i see blizz is giga clowning around again with fury

and even arms

[dense elbow]

WW already sim'd what a couple % behind, now with BT reaps gone and SD, WW value is up a bit

[lofty lotus]

not only warrior

mage is being guttet as well

[heavy dock]

wait bt reaps gone?

i thought execute reaps were gone

[lofty lotus]

yes

all reaps gone

only from WW

[heavy dock]

bruh

wtf

[median umbra]

this is a later patch tho not yet

[lofty lotus]

yea not out yet

for 12.0.5

[heavy dock]

so its just giga slayer nerf

[dense elbow]

Important to always repeat that, this aint the 17th changes

[heavy dock]

im thane chad so not too bad for me

[dense elbow]

This is their test realm for the mid exp patch

[lofty lotus]

we need the 17th patch to tell

so far we only know part of the changes

[heavy dock]

interesting they release those before the 17th changes

[lofty lotus]

yeah

weird mind games

[dense elbow]

Yeah, I would not have done that if I were them, I would hold the class stuff. Especially since they didnt release only banger changes

Now, the Slayer changes for Fury can lead down a positive path tho

So there is hope

[lofty lotus]

now see

you make sense

blizz doenst like that

[median umbra]

I believe the changes were data mined

[lofty lotus]

no they were posted on wowhead blue post

[dense elbow]

Yep, it is all official test realm stuff

[jolly marten]

I can too see some positive outcome from these changes but im not betting my money on it. Im leaning more on making fury bad till next expansion rework

These are drastic changes and it will require a lot of effort to bring them all together, I don’t think they will ever do that mid season or between seasons whatsoever

[dense elbow]

I mean, all they need to do is something as simple as making exe stacks have a stronger effect. To make up for ST loss, maybe they will grant us the (2) from twwS3 instead of unhinged. Then to fix the AoE diff from the change, all they need to do is make BS do twice the raw dam.

They can also buff BS only by 50%, and increase Exe and SS even more. To reinforce Slayer as the prio target, high explosive burst spec. Vs Thane mid prio, high AoE burst (over avatar) and sustained spec

There is true hope for some great directions here. So lets hope for the best!

Man, I got hopium tanks filled to the brim

[native wadi]

Just delete class and re do at this point

Cant believe that mid ass reap fishing s3 was peak

[dapper furnace]

Hello guys, it's my first season with fury so 1st time using 2x2h. I got 2x240 wep now, but noticed there is diff in damage/as on them. 2 questions:
1.) Is there actual preference, ie we want slower but harder hitting weapon or doesn't matter?
2.) If there is, in my scenario should i put faster wep to OH?

[dense elbow]

Hi, only thing that matters is wrap DPS, not speed. As things are normalised on live.

Twohanders got more stats than a 1hander, as such is always better at equal ilvl

Wraps... Nom. Meant weapon DPS

[vague fern]

I’ve been off for a few days, I see some changes. Does this make slayer better for m+ or not?

Or is arms better

[smoky vale]

[pure breach]

[dapper furnace]

Ok thx, but the thing is those 2 weps have same ilvl but damage difference anyway. So no preference which one in mh which one in oh?

[smoky wraith]

It makes both specs worse, thoughts?

[brittle yacht]

Last time i checked, 1h weapon dont even drop anymore for fury loot spec no?

[smoky vale]

no

[dapper furnace]

I mean in this comparison, both 2h both 240 and yet there is damage diff, the dps is same but I think thats not how skills scale ye?

[vapid wasp]

if you can get this set in Hero would it be worth using? (only have this half atm, sorry)

[blissful hound]

Its a one-hander so the answer is no

[vapid wasp]

sad

[native wadi]

Wdym dmg is exactly the same

One has 10 more higher end the other one in the low end

[dapper furnace]

yeah my bad I thought one is 10 up with lower as, but its actually same as. Anyway question remains valid

Do we want a bigger range of possible damage on mh/oh or no diff

[bleak harness]

It does not matter , we have offhand penalty anyway

[fossil orbit]

So right now, thanes st dps is higher than slayers? If these changes go live, which would be considered a joke. But its blizz so anything is possible

[bleak harness]

Changes are for a later patch

[native wadi]

No tuning changes yet

[bleak harness]

We have to pray for 17th still

[native wadi]

Aura buff 2% Execute applies rend