fury

[lavish sierra]

i genuinely think that's because WW could trigger reap which means those reap procs could trigger SD

[south kayak]

It doesn't make sense for them to do that after introducing reap SD

[native wadi]

Its wild to always open change to post to 50 lines to dk hunt mage

[south kayak]

Which was a great change and liked by everyone

[native wadi]

You get to warrior and anything makes fucking sense

[fiery edge]

holy that's fucking awesome

[south kayak]

The devs gotta be brain dead

That's the only explanation

[olive wraith]

It also doesn’t make sense to make ww apply rend

But here we are

[wind token]

well you people wanted to spin so you got it

[marble pilot]

Waiting for the "We reduced teh warrior apl from 40 lines to 2. Its just Rampage and WW now"

[frank dawn]

wtf is this dog shit Reap change

Holy ass

[echo rapids]

Then there will be a sudden target count break point where we switch back to ramp BT SD

[glad delta]

is it time to reroll already ?

[edgy widget]

Unless their notes were very horribly written, Whirlwind the spell triggers Reap, not Whirlwind the buff

[rare garnet]

That’s fucking funny changes

I’m inspired

[clever iron]

holy fukin shit here we go again

[native wadi]

We apply rend 4 gcd in a row

Its hilarious

[vernal laurel]

Everything i have ever asked for tbh, insane that we can now farm Myth gear from actually doing M+ (athough limited)

[edgy widget]

so mcuh for that ICONIC ABILITY lol

[rare garnet]

What is there fix? lol. I wanna see the sims time spent please

[fiery harbor]

these are changed slated for a patch 3 months down the line?

[smoky basin]

Won't this hurt our single target?

[olive wraith]

Kek reaction

[marble pilot]

So I can play fury with jsut a scroll wheel. Mouse up for Rampage. Mouse down for WW and im set for m+

[edgy widget]

these are design changes, not tuning

[olive wraith]

Thane is now better in all scenarios

[native wadi]

Crazy iconic ability, lets remove it

[rare garnet]

I spin I win bay

[south kayak]

NGL these people need to be fired from their development jobs

[echo rapids]

Only for aoe

[south kayak]

Why would you change something that was actually well designed and well liked

[echo rapids]

Thane is now the thinking man’s warrior with 3 brain cells

[marble pilot]

Thats like 90% of my fights good enough

[fiery edge]

where da hell is kitty

[upper wigeon]

Doesnt MT just use Thunderclap?

[marble pilot]

Well MT doesnt reap. So it does nothing to Thane

[lavish sierra]

i'm just talking out my ass here but I see that like, reap the storm has an internal cooldown of .5 seconds. WW is just GCD at, like, 1.5 vs haste. so in cleave, WW the spell could be triggering reap every time you press it. isn't that like, more damage?

[echo rapids]

Blizzard: fury is now in a decent spot rotation and damage wise in both aoe and st, let’s throw it all out

[drifting token]

Wanna stay sane, gotta play thane ™

[echo rapids]

Thane sucks, stamp the ground angrily vs a whirlwind of blades

[rare garnet]

WW spam only hurts AOE rotation yeah?

[south kayak]

Nice multisyllable rhymes bro

[rare garnet]

“Only”

[fiery harbor]

raging blow and crushing blow being barely a filler in all builds in all settings just shows how poorly tuned this spec is for a release version

[native wadi]

Hope nothing sees live

[echo rapids]

It also makes SD execute in ST less good

[olive wraith]

Spin in circles a thousand times -slayer

[proven stream]

so no more reap procs on ST at all right?

lmao

[marble pilot]

They showed us this early so that Tuesday changes dont make us rage as bad.

[olive wraith]

Bt

[drifting token]

Angry stompy lightning man is way cooler than rng sharp teacup ride simulator imo

[wind token]

also the hack and slash change is weird since will still wont be using rb

[undone flower]

The ww proc was the BT talent

[edgy widget]

ok if you want a real answer though

• Reap actually deals a lot of damage, so SD proccing it added a non-negligible amount of extra damage that Execute needed to be tuned around, even in single target
• By removing that, they can make Sudden Death/Execute more directly stronger, which influences player perception: "tooltip number higher means it must be good now!" kinda thing
• However, this still isn't a good change, because it functionally cripples (especially Arms) Slayer's ability to use Execute in multitarget target, resulting in less button emphasis and less Bladestorm CDR... which is exactly the problem that SD Reap initially fixed.

[proven stream]

eh sounded like BT removed?

[echo rapids]

[hardy stirrup]

These have got to be half the notes right? Like theres no chance they thought Collosus arms needed reduced damage on MS/Cleave/Slam?

[south kayak]

I was jokingly talking about how they did this so they can make SD stronger by adding an AoE strike to it

Which would work just as well

[frigid zealot]

Let's remove the only reason to press execute in aoe as you didn't the entire of tww

[wind token]

17th

[olive wraith]

No reap in st actually doesn’t sound bad tbh

[south kayak]

They're adding aoe strike to SD, just wait

[olive wraith]

Less rng

[edgy widget]

that seems very unlikely

[dense elbow]

Maybe they just couldnt fix the animation wonk with SD reaps

[frigid zealot]

It's OK guys. We is easy rotation

Ww

[rare garnet]

How’s the arms channel doing?

[frigid zealot]

Fire

[winter shoal]

There's an arms channel?

[wind token]

no

[marble pilot]

Can we change the arms dead coffin gif to just warrior in general?

[coarse spruce]

oh wow my my

ahyah

[dense elbow]

I am kinda impressed tho, I didnt expect anything, maybe some nerfs

I did not expect looking at notes and go:
"Oh, they could make it worse."

[olive wraith]

Low key glad I’m not subbed

[proven stream]

idk if this means adding WW or replacing BT with WW ?

[wind token]

no

[lavish sierra]

in AoE, wouldn't you also be getting more SD procs because with each reap it also has a chance of proccing it?

[flat river]

HELL FUCKING YES

[winter shoal]

One can hope it means both, but it's unclear

[waxen vale]

odds they revert this? this is blowing my mind

[cerulean kayak]

Good change

[south kayak]

It does seem unlikely but there's no reason they didn't realize this would make arms not wanna press Execute in AoE anymore so they have to be doing something about that

[drifting token]

seems like they're slowly but linearly bringing arms dmg down to zero to then go the opposite direction and be healers. Very kind of them to let people acclimate to it

[winter shoal]

If you think the reap change is good, I strongly encourage you to lay off the crack pipe

[flat river]

WHAT I SAID CAME TRUE

[oblique thistle]

Absolutely not

[lavish sierra]

good as in like, numbers wise? or good as in like, boring rotation

[oblique thistle]

I do not want to sit there and press ww over and over again in aoe

[native wadi]

Are you trolling?

[coarse spruce]

hi

[dense elbow]

Nah, he want that

[fiery harbor]

why does rend even exist again

[undone flower]

I want that too

[lethal quiver]

"Reap the Storm now triggers when Whirlwind hits 3 or more targets. Chance to trigger changed to 15% (was 30%)."
every ww will trigger reap the storm?

[native wadi]

I really though they datamined april fools

[flat river]

they removed imminent demise mb

bad

[fiery harbor]

why do we create a talent, make it an active ability, and then remove all reason to keybind and press it

[oblique thistle]

Reap no longer tied to execute, hope youre happy 🙂

[teal hawk]

they probably fired every single warrior dev and now someone else is just doing random things

[dense elbow]

'-'

[fiery edge]

nice, now you're back to dooming

[fast mural]

replaced by AI

[smoky wraith]

What in the world did my eyes just see when i opened updates

[native wadi]

How hard it is to add a bleed to rampage if they want to keep rend

[dense elbow]

it was the only good change we had since forever, then they took it away

Says something

[worn shuttle]

Having a chance to execute and having to hit whirlwind is so bad

[native wadi]

Make it ignite style

[teal hawk]

could very well be

vibe tuning warrior 😎

[native wadi]

So makes for a cool design in reckle when we can spam rampage

But nah better to ww

[waxen vale]

can we shut down our discord like rets

[flat river]

always doom

[oblique thistle]

You've quite literally said, repeatedly, along with many others in here, that reap is too dominant

Well now we have ww spam

[native wadi]

Literally though the same

[lavish sierra]

ww spam aligns with "simpler rotations" vibe I catch from pruning

[waxen vale]

this just makes everything play worse. not pushing execute in aoe means pushing bladestorm less. this is awful

[teal hawk]

so you wont even do rampage at 50 rage during reck in m+* from our apex talent and you will just spam whirlwind till enrage falls off and they publish it on the ptr and they think its an ok change?

[oblique thistle]

Our rotation was never complex to begin with

[zinc eagle]

exactly

[dense elbow]

I am glad you never read what I wrote in any degree of understanding, we talking 1st year kindergarden level

[lavish sierra]

i agree

[dense elbow]

Yes, I asked for Reap being reduced, this is true. I also said how I wanted it done, and for what purpose.

This change goes against everything overall

so meh?

Fuck me I guess

[half crescent]

Hey everyone! I'm new to this class, and even though WoW is easier now, I'm still not quite clear on the rotation. I must be missing some synergy or something. Can you help me?

[cerulean kayak]

It’s pretty complex

[wind token]

wowhead

[native wadi]

We are dooming at the moment come back tomorrow

[lapis kestrel]

I'm in the same boat as you, let me know if you end up with a non-meme answer

[olive wraith]

Wowhead isn’t a meme answer

[echo rapids]

Most specs in the game have a similar complexity rotation

[dense elbow]

WoWhead rotation will help you for the basics. TLDR, for a beginner, press rampage when you can, when you cant press other buttons in the prio order on the site.

You likely should come back tomorrow tho, as the guy mentioned. We just got shot

[olive wraith]

Most your questions will get buried by doom atm

[native wadi]

Wowhead is full update boys

[half crescent]

It's better wowhead or icy veins?

[lapis kestrel]

Thank you

[olive wraith]

They’re the same

[undone flower]

it is

[half crescent]

Ok mate

[olive wraith]

Til one of the best guides is a meme answer

[half crescent]

Thank you very much

[digital ore]

Now buff whirlwind and this will be good.

[dense elbow]

Both are wirtten by the same guy, I like WOWheads setup for readability the better

[proven stream]

i'd be interested in the dps difference on high target count aoe when pressing only WW (+ rampage to maintain enrage) vs proper rotation

[digital ore]

Give it some actual damage, not auto attack damage.

[oblique thistle]

They already have in the past, repeatedly

[olive wraith]

Ww does okay damage though

[half crescent]

Nice

[digital ore]

We Diablo barbarians now.

[dense elbow]

WW was already not a bad filler, now that it can reap, and reap is all the dam you need to do... yeah, yeah.

[oblique thistle]

I do not want to press ww repeatedly in aoe though

[sullen dove]

shadowlands mbg returns

the promised lands

[digital ore]

Why not? That's peak warrior.

[lavish sierra]

clearly if you kill them faster you'll press it less

[digital ore]

Back in ye' olde days, we WW'd hard in ST too

[olive wraith]

Bs buffs at least

[oblique thistle]

And i dont want that either

[proven stream]

yeah WW WW WW WW rampage WW WW WW WW rampage WW WW WW WW rampage

[lethal quiver]

spin to win.

[oblique thistle]

I want to actually press my other buttons

[digital ore]

The dream.

[lethal quiver]

that is peak

[lavish sierra]

raging blow turns into strongly written letter

[olive wraith]

Wonder if bt would still be worth pressing to amp the bleeds

[digital ore]

I'm not dooming over these changes if our ST doesn't tank hard.

[zinc eagle]

rip to bladestorm cd reduction

[lethal quiver]

going zug zug is peak warrior fantasy

[glad delta]

it does tank hard tho

[oblique thistle]

Our st wasnt spectacular to begin with

[digital ore]

Yeah but as Archi said, they could buff execute to offset this.

[undone flower]

i once simmed it but the soft cap of ww just deletes its already non existent dmg pretty quick

[digital ore]

Reap the Storm made it awkward to balance Execute because it procced off of it.

So it just relegated it to being filler.

And setup for Reap.

[proven stream]

but the reaps

[olive wraith]

I can see an rb buff too

[digital ore]

This could potentially be huge with proper balancing, so I'm snorting that hopium.

[oblique thistle]

Which gave arms a reason to press it in aoe, and gave fury more value for pressing it in aoe as well to shore up its lack of proper aoe damage

[digital ore]

Not gonna doom immediately.

[olive wraith]

With the ramp rb refund change

[oblique thistle]

Now we have ww spam and arms is fucked

[undone flower]

yeah i didn't do with the reap ofc, was just telling you about ww itself

[native wadi]

What are you talking about

Ww spam is terrible design

[lavish sierra]

agree there

[native wadi]

Adding rend as well

[smoky basin]

I want execute to still be useful, but rend being off my bar is a win

[native wadi]

Renewing a buff every gcd

[oblique thistle]

Rend on ww is a good change

[fickle stirrup]

Could these changes hint at what's to come for the their tuning passes leading up to 12.0.5?

[native wadi]

Rend off the bars is easy af no need to destroy whole design

[olive wraith]

They shouldn’t have even added rend

[digital ore]

Anything that gets Rend off my bars is a good change, idgaf

[olive wraith]

Just made it pointless

[dense elbow]

That is 100% what they are going for tho, as they slapped on rend on it too as well.

At this point just make WW have you enrage as well

[digital ore]

I'd take WW spam over pressing that shitty button any time of day

[lavish sierra]

what's the opportunity cost even for rend

[proven stream]

yeah i only suggest that because reap procs could make it somewhat viable

[drowsy heron]

i REALLY dont understand the reap change to be a part of WW, why would they do this?

[smoky wraith]

WW gives avatar proc incoming

[drowsy heron]

the SD proc was PEAK

[olive wraith]

Wdym

[native wadi]

No, look at your talents tree, nothing is built around it.

Therefore makes no fucking sense

[oblique thistle]

Or, and hear me out, we just leave rend on ww and NOT do the spam thing yeah?

[dense elbow]

No need for talents

[digital ore]

'Whats the opportunity cost uuugh 🤓 ' the only cost we pay here is not being COOL enough to spin all the time

[dense elbow]

if it does it baseline

[undone flower]

i don't think it will be, it is more memeing

[echo rapids]

I love how every blue notes always has a written mage section from the devs

[tropic wasp]

im new as warrior, blizz hate us?

[native wadi]

Yes

[mossy pelican]

Damn rts on exe felt so good

[native wadi]

Paying for classic sins

[glad delta]

yes

[native wadi]

Yup

Finally execute slapping

[drowsy heron]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[native wadi]

Inmediatly removed

Shit is hilarious

[lavish sierra]

others seem to be elaborating but like I think if you choose to grab the talent it should do cool stuff and feel good to press, but right now you just always grab it anyway because there's no reason to not

[spark horizon]

Hello guys haven't played fury in a long time thinking to start again how is fury in st and aoe and are new changes good or bad

[waxen vale]

haha

[lavish sierra]

it's a step above being mandatory and unused

[digital ore]

You're right on time before Fury is about to become peak gameplay.

[drowsy heron]

some good some bad

[olive wraith]

Oh yup. That’s accurate

[chrome wraith]

Does bloodthirst still trigger reap?

[olive wraith]

Horrible design

[echo rapids]

Blizzard makes one change for mages: writes 3 sentences to explain it
Completely changes fury and arms aoe: just the changes

[oblique thistle]

It should yeah

[lavish sierra]

yeah 15% I think now

[undone flower]

it is mid, wait until further tuning, but the gameplay is still the same basically, fun and subjective

[chrome wraith]

Why does anyone care? This sounds great lol

[oblique thistle]

But why press that when you can just press ww over and over again?

[dense elbow]

Well, think about it:
You want to be enraged, so Rampage got its spot set in stone.
You want to reap, so BT works as efficent rage gen button that does that.
RB, Execute are both weak on mass AoE, and WW raw dam is quite high.
WW can reap

Never say never, you might be WW spamming all day, every day.

[chrome wraith]

WW getting a buff is sick

Now we get rend and reap, feelsgoodman

[digital ore]

I fucking WISH.

[undone flower]

funky... you know it is a first week ptr patch note

[dense elbow]

Nah, we dooming now

They took my SD away from me

I will doom

[tranquil echo]

Some dev saw us having more than a couple of buttons to press in aoe and decided that could not stand

[chrome wraith]

Sudden death blows

[last belfry]

SD was pretty good

[olive wraith]

Ww spam and passive rend is boring

[fiery edge]

yes, aaaaah class anyway

[chrome wraith]

Make execute great again

[last belfry]

why they messed it

[dense elbow]

https://giphy.com/gifs/what-guy-white-blinking-RILsqUte1MME7TzQJ9

[fiery edge]

blizz is AI

[chrome wraith]

You're already spamming ww to cleave nothing changes

[hardy stirrup]

A good mechanical change to fix a problem reverted is kinda wild I have to say.

[vapid spade]

So fury now spin to win? XD

[lethal quiver]

i think there is a massive execute dmg buff coming 17th

[oblique thistle]

We had that, now we have ww spam, enjoy

[lethal quiver]

spin to win is the best design in everygame

[olive wraith]

We’re not spamming ww

[copper parcel]

Thane has thunder clap reseting the rend also applies rend, so I guess as for slayer it's good

[old sandal]

maybe answered but

[chrome wraith]

Nah exe hit like a limp dick

[hardy stirrup]

In between the dooming can we just collectively appreciate the comedy that Demo is still untouched

[olive wraith]

Ww was every 5 globals

[dense elbow]

Meh, this was a bad start of a patch cycle, hope there is anything redeeming coming

But these changes at its core tells me that the direction is not aligned with what I want at all

[spare helm]

dump question where do i craft that embellishment Gear like Ring so i could replace one with the veteran crests craft never did that

[native wadi]

How is anyone supportong this

Hahaahahaaha

[old sandal]

is it smart to craft a blue armor piece using veteran crest? ( 246 ilvl)

[native wadi]

Rotation is going to be awful

[chrome wraith]

You literally press ww every 4 attacks

[old sandal]

or we should save veteran crest?

[lethal quiver]

people like to spam ww, its fun.

[olive wraith]

This doesn’t seem like a tuning pass

[old sandal]

or its free spend?

[spare helm]

how and where do i do this

[glad delta]

how its fun lmao

[dense elbow]

Why press WW every 4th, when you can press WW 4 times?

[oblique thistle]

I dont

[brittle crow]

🔥

[digital ore]

Next week you craft 2x246 ilvl pieces on weak slots to put embellishments on.

[native wadi]

How is it fun to spam one button? With a shit animation and sound as well

[digital ore]

Then you wait with sparks for your myth weapons.

[dense elbow]

Same reason ppl like divine storm spam

[chrome wraith]

Because it won't be better than cleaving a rampage/bt lol

[old sandal]

look for an artisan with your armor piece rank 5, spend materials and 80 veteran crest

[native wadi]

And renew a bleed everytime you press it

[lethal quiver]

if you want a complex rotation try rogue, mage idk...
warrior is the symbol of the simplest class in every game, warrior is zug zug, powerful and simple

[native wadi]

Plus pray for a 15% proc

[undone flower]

yes it is smart, if you are done with m0s, and you don't want to wait next week m0s world tour, but maybe wait the next tuning, maybe they'll tune embellishs

[flat river]

btw, since we reap at 3+ targets we might not even talent improved WW

[native wadi]

I mean are we serious?

[old sandal]

so not this week? ( i mean the ones withouth spark)

[glad delta]

2bad its not powerful at all this days

[digital ore]

Next week so you know which slots to replace after you exhaust all gear drops.

[lavish sierra]

I'm trying to read the spell data dump for warrior_ptx.txt and sudden death Can Proc From Procs (122) and I haven't been called stupid yet assuming that reap at 3+ targets means SD proc chance is higher

[native wadi]

What the point of the apex talents

[viral urchin]

You clearly havent played those classes this expansion

[old sandal]

wont craft spark items, just blue items with veteran crest. are veteran crest free spen?

[native wadi]

Or the rage use to put downs cds

[chrome wraith]

Did they buff the base damage of ww or something? No shot will it hit harder than a Cleaved Rampage or BT

[native wadi]

If all you do is spam ww

[spring fox]

Rend on WW is great. Just don't put reap on it.

Give RB some love

[native wadi]

Casino

[sullen dove]

pressing rend is more boring

[oblique thistle]

Sub Rogue is basically 2 buttons my guy

[undone flower]

yes you don't use sparks for those

[sullen dove]

and very annoying

[dense elbow]

WW is uncapped, and hits quite hard, now it can also reap... so yeah Never say never

[undone flower]

don't assume ppl are myth raiding

[chrome wraith]

Source: feels man

[digital ore]

It's heroic raid next week anyway.

[native wadi]

Divine storm has a resource behind and a cool ass animation, together with some aiming, it is not the same wtf

[olive wraith]

Delete rend. Idc. Making it passive is stupid

[oblique thistle]

Slayer was already ocassionally pressing WW as a filler over raging blow because rb does no damage so yeah

[lavish sierra]

1 button rotation as an enhancement shaman is actually surprisingly fun. will probably get stale but LOTS OF LIGHTNING

[chrome wraith]

Raging blow sucks who cares

[dense elbow]

You can easily go to a pull of 10 mobs, press 1 WW and then do 1 BT, compare the dam, if you are interested

[old sandal]

@ people who anserew with hard names thanks a lot

[undone flower]

thanks

[chrome wraith]

As can you

[dense elbow]

I dont need to, I know that WW aint a weak press

[chrome wraith]

Nobody said it was a weak press

[oblique thistle]

Go to arms chat btw if you haven't lol

[olive wraith]

Isn’t it like 6th ish on a key breakdown

[chrome wraith]

My boy is out here shadowboxing

[livid arch]

So does blizzard just hate warrior?

[dense elbow]

Nah, I just honestly think you dont know how strong WW is as a press on AoE

[olive wraith]

Na I think they’re just bad at designing us

[chrome wraith]

Neither do you evidently considering you can't say anything more than "trust me bro, stronk"

[bold forge]

Meme spec channel

[chrome wraith]

Show some numbers or quit yappin

[dense elbow]

Depends on their design goals, they are doing a great job making the spec brainless and boring. All flat proc 1 button spam goal, seems fair takeaway as their purpose.

[olive wraith]

[dense elbow]

I still cant wrap my head around the SD change tho

[olive wraith]

I guess that could be true

Big sad

[dense elbow]

we finally pressed SD on AoE and felt good about it

[oblique thistle]

They basically just shot slayer arms with that change its insane

Can't catch a break man

[frigid zealot]

https://i.imgflip.com/977c65.gif

[dense elbow]

Well, depending on how WW spam will hold up

Fury Slayer aint looking well either

[frigid zealot]

Change also effects fury as sd reap was super nice for slayer fury too

[dense elbow]

The SD change is a huge Reap ppm loss

[frigid zealot]

The sd change is actually fucked

[bold forge]

Gotta make it easy for those Xbox controllers

[lethal quiver]

1 cast of ww, 1 bt, 1 gb, 1 rampage ---- 5 target dummies

[dense elbow]

huehue

[spare helm]

can i also craft like a Ring with those crests and could anyone explain me how to do it i never did that o_o

[shut pivot]

i just want to know who-ever is in charge of those changes...like what kind of drugs is he taking cause im interested

[frigid zealot]

Now you got bt for chance at reap. Execute doing nothing. Raging blow doing nothing.

[coarse nest]

https://i.imgflip.com/amgm6l.gif

[frigid zealot]

Best spam ww. How can you be happy with that.

[dense elbow]

yeah, WW rocks

now scale the pull

[placid palm]

The fact we don't take enraged regen is quite sad.

[dense elbow]

above 5t strongpoint

[lethal quiver]

spamming a single button is fun.

[dense elbow]

and laugh

[frigid zealot]

Real

Sign me up

[glad delta]

its not, its borring design

[frigid zealot]

[dense elbow]

we are using sarcasm, so much sarcasm atm

Dont worry

noone wants this

[tranquil echo]

You WILL spam ww and you WILL like it

[lethal quiver]

not everyone will have fun with the same stuff... spammie rotation is fun for a lot of players.

[dense elbow]

This might be the most tonedeaf, braindead and shit patchnotes we seen in a long time. They took what was good, removed it, replaced it with shit

[shut pivot]

bois its time to embrace the Reroll tier

[last belfry]

so, they basically turned fury into a retri pala

[dense elbow]

^^

[lavish sierra]

spin to win

[lavish sierra]

immersive whirlwind weakarea

[rancid socket]

These changes mainly impacted slayer, right? Thane hasn't changed really?

[spring fox]

It's legit wild that we don't take our defensive. Make it baseline or move it to a spot where it's mandatory

[digital ore]

Post ST now

[tranquil echo]

Inevitable questions of "guys is it ok to press any other button than ww in mass aoe"

[dense elbow]

Thane is untouched so far, but dont worry, the reaper that is Blizz Dev anti fun police, is coming for Thane soon

[native wadi]

Thane is already boring af

[wind token]

not true

but ok

[native wadi]

At leasy good design and animations

[livid arch]

Remember in slands when they uncapped WW? And immediately our rotation became ww spam

[lavish sierra]

clap ramapge clap rampage clap rampage

[zenith moat]

back to merciless bonegrinder times

[native wadi]

Feels to easy and repetitive tbh

[livid arch]

I honestly don’t miss that

[fiery gyro]

guys Arms channel is mental, so I'm looking for shelter here

are fury changes good or what

[lavish sierra]

there is no escape from the fun

[tight goblet]

Can't escape it that easily

[hardy stirrup]

Out of the fire into the frying pan

[fiery gyro]

DAMNIT

[lavish sierra]

you think you're out but they pull you back in

like some kind of rotating storm

[open halo]

Pack up. See u in Last Titan boys

[spring fox]

Try evoker discord if you want shelter. I'm sure they're happy with visage changes lol

[rare garnet]

Fuck off speaking for me I won’t be happy till they remove the stupid fucking 3 target count and let me spin in ST. Agree these are tone deaf devs and we deserve to Ramp > WW even with 1 mob AND IM SPINNING MAD ABOUT IT.

[dense elbow]

Spin some more

[livid arch]

Well, blizzard has me looking forward to s2 already.

[dense elbow]

The next set of notes gotta be a true banger, to save this

[rare garnet]

WHY CANT THEY JUST MAKE WW ALSO CAST A RAMPAGE IF YOU HAE ENOUGH RAGE

[dense elbow]

WW should consume rage on cast

[digital ore]

based gigachad spinner.

[dense elbow]

When you are under 80 rage, WW grants rage. When you are above 80, it consumes rage, becoming "Raging Whirlwind" enraging you, doing 400% more damage and always reap

[native wadi]

Cooking too much brother

[dense elbow]

Dev taking notes, you know it

[hardy stirrup]

Bladestorm is now a passive, it changes Whirlwind to a charge spell with no maximum charge that casts itself repeatedly whilst being charged.

[livid arch]

I found the new class dev

[bold forge]

Spin simulator

[fiery gyro]

Dev taking note to nerf arms. You know it

[dense elbow]

As arms dont got WW, they prob should make reap chance proc on slayer overall down to 1%, but 15% for WW

[lavish sierra]

multiple whirlwinds trigger a chance to enter bladestorm but movement speed reduced when you exit

[merry night]

wait is the ptr notes for mid season?

[fickle stirrup]

GB?

[livid arch]

Yes

[fiery gyro]

now THAT sounds like something they would take note of

[sharp patio]

What does it change for thane ?

[dense elbow]

Nothing

[sharp patio]

aight i thought so

[dry hawk]

Did arms get nerfed for the 8th time in a row

[sharp patio]

so basicly its almost 1 less button for slayer fury

[sullen dove]

another fury nerf that affects arms :icant:

[hardy stirrup]

In fairness their ST is still a little higher than theyd like, currently out damages 1 or 2 healer specs

[fiery gyro]

watch out, dont mention that here or they will come with the keyboard smashing gif

[dense elbow]

Surely they going to buff execute damage by 600% to make up for the reap dam loss on AoE, right?

[tight goblet]

👀

[honest trail]

I was happy until SD RtS removal

Wtf is

This

[digital ore]

I'm a hopium snorted but you are lost in the sauce there

[livid arch]

I CANT WAIT to see what bs is gonna be in the Tuesday tuning notes now

[dry hawk]

[livid arch]

Fury is getting nerfed. I can feel it

[dense elbow]

I am only curious what their end goal is, by this design path.

[digital ore]

Me too.

But anything that gets rid of Rend is a good change in my book. Idc if we're mid dps or not.

[sharp patio]

^

[bleak harness]

for aoe sounds good ,but our st is in shambles still

[fast mural]

rend isnt even gone it just gets applied passively now

[digital ore]

Whoever thought to add Rend to an expansion that's meant to tune down classes, remove buttons and debuff tracking is a fucking crackhead.

[fast mural]

#deleterend pls

[bleak harness]

+++

[fast mural]

for arms too

[sullen dove]

prune every other class to have 50% less spells and buffs and stuff

[rare garnet]

TCs not even gonna fuck with the sims I bet cause they copium this can’t be it

[sullen dove]

give fury 3 more than they already had

[digital ore]

YEP.

[eager thorn]

https://i.imgflip.com/amgm6l.gif

[rare garnet]

At least we get to remove rend from our bars

[dense elbow]

"yay"

[valid pulsar]

me when i am not getting a single sd procc on a big pull

with current slayer

[bleak harness]

cant wait to progress in a ST fight in raid and fight the tanks , yay

[bold forge]

Wouldn’t rend still be a dps optimization in ST?

[rare garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/glass-half-full-optimist-glass-half-full-or-empty-glass-half-empty-pessimist-gif-10862149

[bleak harness]

not really

[sullen dove]

yea i mean rend thing only for aoe

you occasionally hit rend in st still probably

[digital ore]

I play warrior to unga bunga, not be a fucking affli lock looking at debuff durations

[sullen dove]

which cringe

but whatever

[echo rapids]

Our other warrior already switched to mage this expansion

[sullen dove]

imo more annoying on aoe to break rotation and just upkeep a dot permanently

[runic pilot]

These changes

[sullen dove]

idm rend st as much honestly cuz it is just a filler

but rend is just like a worse odyns in aoe that you have to hit 4x as often

[valid pulsar]

wait what i just read the changes

[bleak harness]

rend in aoe as a passive is fine

[valid pulsar]

[bleak harness]

but the SD 🙁

[fervent turtle]

reap the storm on WW is kinda fun

[edgy widget]

its fine, but it's also kinda stupid that Improved WW is gonna become a ST talent over Enraged Regen

[valid pulsar]

will it have an internal cooldown though

[bleak harness]

true

[edgy widget]

Ramp - WW - WW - WW - WW - Ramp

[sullen dove]

mbg days

bring back spear of bastion

[tulip swallow]

wtf are they cooking

[edgy widget]

• Reap on WW would be fine
• Reap on WW without still being on BT/SD is very much not

[sullen dove]

surely you just thane rotation it tho

[edgy widget]

Yeah, let's make the two even MORE homogenous!

they already talent the exact same way

[sullen dove]

ramp ww ramp ww ramp ww

[edgy widget]

why not have the exact same rotation too

great design guys, A+

[sullen dove]

fan of longswords gaming

[rare garnet]

It’s already only like a 1.6% loss to take rb off your bar in ST and use WW so if WW is also applying rend then I can’t see how we keep rend as a dead generator also.

[edgy widget]

Imp WW also means that WW/Rend combo will generate rage too

[lofty delta]

i don't get why they're doing these changes in a .5....

[coarse nest]

Inb4 that’s the intent

[rare garnet]

Yuuup

[sullen dove]

cuz they're too ass to ship in 5 days

[edgy widget]

I'm sure it is, just as I'm sure it's fucking stupid

[sullen dove]

need couple more weeks of ppl being mad at them to get some changes hopefully

[rare garnet]

BT > Rampage > WW single target rotation

[coarse nest]

Amen

Lmao

[fervent turtle]

I mean these are PTR notes, why all the dooming

[dense elbow]

Cause of what the notes show of direction

[tulip swallow]

They can always backpedal but it shows a strong sense of ??????????

[coarse nest]

Exactly that

[rare garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/okarun-absolute-cinema-absolute-cinema-okarun-ken-takakura-gif-13879904916108947470

[coarse nest]

It shows the mind set

[spare steppe]

Are we really just doing WW spam in fury aoe

[fervent turtle]

that mind set being?

[lavish sierra]

i think we're dooming not about effectiveness but about how boring it'll be

[oblique thistle]

Correct

[burnt oxide]

Whirlwind is an iconic ability, you guys should press it more

[dense elbow]

Spamming X on the controlled gotta yield big DPS after all

[rare garnet]

I hope they update the single button assistant

[dense elbow]

They removed it, just replaced it with WW

[fervent turtle]

why need single button assistant when it’s just WW

[coarse nest]

With that current design direction absolutely

[spare steppe]

Thats honestly horrifying

[coarse spruce]

true...

[graceful elk]

So is fury dead too

[languid willow]

new rotation . If BS and Odysn fury ar down press WW

hell yea

[gentle ibex]

Needs buff WW damage for like 300% and we return to WotLK style WW-BT-filler

[spare steppe]

Not necessarily kt can do great damage

[coarse spruce]

it's S tier

[spare steppe]

It’ll just be boring as fuck

[coarse spruce]

pvp at least

[tulip swallow]

Thane is unchanged and playable, the slayer stuff is just bizarre

[lean nacelle]

I assume we're still getting actual tuning on the 17th?

[hardy stirrup]

S for Shit

[coarse spruce]

nope it's superior

[lavish sierra]

yes

[coarse spruce]

have you tried it

[forest owl]

warrior devs just spin a wheel and whatever happens happens.

[coarse spruce]

I don't think they've ever made fury this broken tbh

[lavish sierra]

the wheel is already whirlwind

[coarse spruce]

it needs a nerf

[gentle ibex]

And remove RB

[spare steppe]

I mean I can test it right now, you just press w (for whirlwind)

[coarse spruce]

what

[wicked scarab]

'People like Diablo right? Let 'em spin!'

[livid arch]

They just let the dk devs spin the wheel on what to do to warrior

[oblique thistle]

How about let literally anyone else in the kitchen for warrior

Because these changes are very sus

[flat river]

yes

let me in the kitchen

[lavish sierra]

hide the lazy susan

[drowsy heron]

https://tenor.com/view/godfather-massacre-sad-gif-16810633

[oblique thistle]

OK perhaps I wished a little too hard here

[sullen dove]

forgot about the secret nerf arms more than fury for a fury nerf

[forest owl]

i guess i can just not login which is easy because i quit like 3 months back

[flat river]

https://tenor.com/view/the-apothecary-diaries-maomao-cat-hissing-the-apothecary-diaries-maomao-cat-hissing-gif-3293133517069873654

[oblique thistle]

Yeah fuck slayer arms honestly

How dare they want to press execute in aoe

[lavish sierra]

remove arms and make it gladiator instead

[flat river]

new spec

legs

[lavish sierra]

hoplite

[languid willow]

gotta chagne the raging blow lizard to a ww lizard meme now

[drowsy heron]

i just realized that putting reap on WW not makes Rampaging Ruin even worse for Slayer

[reef gyro]

"skiped legs day"- arms warrior 2026

[dense elbow]

Imagine wanting to spend your SD proc on AoE, and feel good about it?!
Horrible game design that! Good riddance!

[drowsy heron]

so now RR is just straight fucking dead lol

[spare steppe]

Always has been

Also I like the rend change

[drowsy heron]

it was worth is certain scenarios/dungeons, AA being one of them

[wispy bridge]

Wait do we legit just spam WW in aoe now?

[drowsy heron]

rend change is fine, everything else is stupid

[edgy widget]

how so?

[languid willow]

I do like the rend change as well thats like the only good thing out of this, if TC did it I wanted WW to as well

[edgy widget]

you'll still press Rampage just for Apex

[spare steppe]

Oh 100%, I just like being able to remove a useless keybind

[edgy widget]

or do you just mean because it becomes harder to bleed off WW charges?

[halcyon pagoda]

Why are they changing rampage to reset RB? I barely press that button.

[lavish sierra]

you still press execute for Executioner stacks too right

[drowsy heron]

this

[edgy widget]

Fury probably, Arms probably not lol

[edgy widget]

well, they still haven't bothered to fix /cancelaura so you good!

[drowsy heron]

true but how long until they fix that?

[languid willow]

yea i love them having rampage reset RB's, you know the button we press, 2% of the time?

[edgy widget]

I mean it should have been fixed a month ago, but

also sorry but I have a hard time giving a shit about Rampaging Ruin

[drowsy heron]

i know

but i like it

yea the HnS changes are nice, too bad WE DONT PRESS RB ANYMORE

[oblique thistle]

Based

[hollow leaf]

this is so fucking goated

[echo rapids]

Scenes when on Tuesday they buff RB and nerf BT

[lavish sierra]

i think you'd probably always have RBs up with the rampage change

[sharp patio]

these change are for tuesday / wednesday ?

[lavish sierra]

or rather the Hack and Slash change

[languid willow]

nah these are ptr changes

[brazen void]

Looks like they mixed up the D4 changes with WoW changes?

[drifting token]

we don't even take HnS though so who cares

[wind token]

they changed it for a reason

[lavish sierra]

i think the math might suggest you might

[drifting token]

I dont see how, if RB still sucks having more of them wont make us want to press it

[lavish sierra]

well if you get a charge back 100% after you rampage

that means you're always at 30% faster attack speed

[drowsy heron]

oh these changes are not for Tuesday? for some reason i thought they were

[lavish sierra]

and damage

because of surge of adrenaline?

[hot shell]

lul

[drifting token]

that only applies when rb resets itself though

[rare garnet]

Combine coil and epidemic

[hollow leaf]

new aoe playstyle is spam ww and keep up enrage with fresh meat

trust

[languid willow]

in before they buff RB dmg by 250% next week

[undone flower]

fury brain activated

[lavish sierra]

ah yeah I see it

[dense elbow]

After the AA nerfs hit, surge fell in value - with RB being shot, the value of pathing through RB talents fell

Just ignore that side of the tree and press BT, be "happy" (blizzTM approved)

[astral path]

I can finally run slayer in everything now?

[dense elbow]

Sure

[languid willow]

i've done been running slayer in m+

[dense elbow]

On live you can do whatever

[languid willow]

i like the ST better than thane

[hot shell]

am i reading this right tho

[astral path]

I mean the burst has always been good but I feel it was always lacking that sustained aoe

[hot shell]

WW, BT and WW+3tar all have a 15% chance on ros ?

[astral path]

I’m hoping it’s as comp as thane now in m+

[dense elbow]

I wont comment on that first part

But yeah, sustained AoE is decent atm

[rare garnet]

Combine DC and SS

[hardy stirrup]

Honestly it more or less is now

[astral path]

https://tenor.com/view/howyy-gif-14677769772756874928

[rare garnet]

Combine DC and FS

[languid willow]

man i miss ramping RB's up after a BS for a big rampage

that was fun

[drifting token]

no, ww on 3+ will always proc it

[languid willow]

yea so bascially in aoe, you prio will be WW and rapmage to keep up enrage

[dense elbow]

There is no way WW will always reap on press

[languid willow]

have fun

[rare garnet]

When is 12.0.5 I don’t even wanna play our shitty rotation till it’s fixed with the update how long to wait

[junior oyster]

No way itll proc every time at 3+

[spare flame]

WW spam inc

[languid willow]

wdym the rotation is about to get mroe shit

[undone flower]

if reap does almost no dmg, it can

[blissful nimbus]

the rotation we have now isn't that different from last season, the .5 changes are gonna make us spam ww all fight long

[junior oyster]

Isn't any dooming pointless as yet? We dunno what's happening the 17th right?

[tardy matrix]

wait are these overall nerfs or buffs, it seems like nerfs at first glance

[blissful nimbus]

I literally swapped the keybind for RB and BT and I feel like I'm still playing the same class I did last season for the most part

[drifting token]

dooming is always pointless on discord so jot that down

[fading sky]

Its a shit show

[dry hawk]

Ramp>x7 WW>Ramp fixing to be a reality

[dense elbow]

Depends, if you agree on the direction we are going down or not.

[quiet geyser]

If they wanted reap off bt, I dont know why they didn't just add it to rampage? Lmao this is whack

[fading sky]

Of not knowin what 2 press accordin to target count

[lavish sierra]

So I guess rampage adding more RBs means there's chances for that Surge of Adrenaline uptime to be up

[vast basalt]

on MT do we press WW now that it applies rend?

[fading sky]

No

U clap

[dense elbow]

No, also changes are not live - dont worry about em

[quiet geyser]

You spam ww cuz it procs reap.

[lament plume]

So good changes on ptr?

[fading sky]

No

[blissful nimbus]

no

[undone flower]

mid changes

[blissful nimbus]

weird changes

[drifting token]

I mean not really because that implies you are pressing RB to begin with, which we aren't lol

[languid willow]

bro on MT you will still use TClap b/c Tclap applies rend

[dense elbow]

They being too kind, terrible changes

[quiet geyser]

I always assume MT means multi target lol

[fading sky]

Reap on ww why???

[heavy galleon]

Improved Whirlwind now causes Whirlwind to apply Rend to all targets if Rend is known.

[lavish sierra]

oh eyah I know, currently. I just think that, maybe in ST, this might win

[fading sky]

Like why?

[heavy galleon]

OH YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[undone flower]

you will discover why in a future ptr notes

[dense elbow]

cause ramp, WW, WW, WW goes burrr

[languid willow]

on ptr just take RB off your bar and put WW there instead

[blissful nimbus]

rend is so little extra damage tho...

[fading sky]

For sure

[spare flame]

why is rend in the game still

[dry hawk]

Make ww cast rb at this point

[dense elbow]

Dont forget execute

[fading sky]

But its gonna mess up rotation

[rare garnet]

It’s not now

Kek

[sand hatch]

At least no need to press rend and hear the shart sound it makes it suppose?

[elder mulch]

Good changes for recount , but boring changes ?

[languid willow]

@dense elbow at least exectue still reduces BS cd, but like outside of having a sudden doom proc you'll probably never press it now

[spare flame]

like, i actually cant believe, rend and slam survived the pruning, fr

[blissful nimbus]

if both slayer and thane can auto apply rend in aoe why is rend even a button we can put on our bars lol

[heavy galleon]

BACK TO WW SPAMMMMMMM

[blissful nimbus]

rend didn't just survive it rose from the ashes

somehow

[dense elbow]

Why care? That is a 1-2% minmax play, just spam WW

[languid willow]

they were watchign warriors playstyle in tbc and decided to copy it exactly

[eternal sundial]

We love mortal bonegrinder and Signet of tormented kings

Welcome back shadowlands

[tulip swallow]

They've tried to make fury rend a thing for legimately 3 beta cycles in a row

[dense elbow]

How about, no? Please?

[crystal moss]

Rogues have this with slice and dice pretty sure

[languid willow]

guys what if we just went back to tbc where warrios only press WW and BT

that is fun right?

[eternal sundial]

The great part is i dont know what changed i dont play i just make fun of you

[dense elbow]

❤️

[blissful nimbus]

could be worse... we could be arms right now

they looking like they wanna shut down the discord in protest

[rare garnet]

You would absolutely not use this to just press WW currently instead of RB in ST so I don’t wanna hear that from you

[dense elbow]

Hm?

Currently, as on live?

[rare garnet]

Yes

[dense elbow]

Why would I just press WW on live?

[untold cape]

Don’t be hating on rend

[spare flame]

didnt arms get nerfed too on those patch notes or am i crazy

[languid willow]

I'ma just go play DK for m+ guild is gonna unfort make me play warrio rfor raid but these changes are terrible and the class lead at blizzard must've stopped showing up at stand ups and now the intern is making decisions

[dense elbow]

Are you hating to just hate for no reason, Ezkath?

[digital ore]

Bro's a professional hater

[blissful nimbus]

I like bleeds don't get me wrong it just feels so.... weird in our kit right now

[digital ore]

Doesn't care about subject or person, just hates for the love of the game

[fading sky]

Sd reap was god.. why take kt away

[dense elbow]

Maybe you didnt see it yet, check #updates-midnight or the PTR notes, Ezkath

[hushed gust]

Well shit. I brought up Rend being applied by Whirlwind and it happened. I’ll take a modicum of cosmic credit for that. XD

[untold cape]

Nah you charge and smack that rend right on their head

[dense elbow]

Granted, take em credits

[untold cape]

Those are for like 3 months from now

So much can change

[dense elbow]

Yep

Am much aware, how so?

[blissful nimbus]

rend isn't even on my bars right now 🤣

[untold cape]

Idk why people are freaking out

[young swan]

max 8 weeks

[dense elbow]

cause the direction it shows

[languid willow]

yea but if no one talks about it and doesn't make some sense of it blizzard will keep thier stupid ass chagnes

[undone flower]

funky likes the pointless dooming don't be baited

[young swan]

which is more like 1.5 months

[untold cape]

We still don’t have 3/17 tuning

Also fury isn’t even that bad

[lavish sierra]

the direction it shows is consistent with them pruning things like interrupts from healers or defensives from dps

[languid willow]

not saying dooming is always right but cmon there has to be some sort of discussion for these changes

[untold cape]

It’s us arms players struggling

[young swan]

it is quite bad yes

[untold cape]

Nah

[lavish sierra]

it's not a numbers fear but it's a qualitative concern

[rare garnet]

Im aware.

[young swan]

the only melee that are worse are arms and havoc

so yeah

its pretty bad

[languid willow]

enhance

is bad too

[untold cape]

Nah

[blissful nimbus]

dps warrior as a whole is just kind of dire times right now

[dense elbow]

Then why ya bashing on me for saying 'spam WW on live', when I dont

[untold cape]

Ill show you some arms

[sullen dove]

holy

[young swan]

arms is literally the worst spec in the game man we get it!

that doesnt mean fury cant also be bad!

[dense elbow]

Nah, still does more dam than my disco

nerf arms

[blissful nimbus]

these fury changes on ptr kinda suck... they should nerf arms again

[untold cape]

If you don’t experience warrior being at the bottom of every expansion at least once

You’re not even a real warrior player

[blissful nimbus]

oh trust me, I've been there

[sullen dove]

they did dont worry

[blissful nimbus]

again!

[dense elbow]

3% aura buffs, for 5 times straight just hit different then end up being low end

[untold cape]

That’s the burden

[dense elbow]

Half the fun tho

[untold cape]

We carry

[lavish sierra]

takin picture of arm for ravioli

[north topaz]

So is rn just Tclap spam?

[untold cape]

We do it for that sweet sound mortal strike

[sullen dove]

ya

[rare garnet]

I’m not. I’m saying you saying eh don’t optimize cause it’s not worth it there seems off cause I assume you wouldn’t say the same about currently removing RB from your bars. Is all.

[dense elbow]

Hm?

Oh you dont understand the 'haha' part of it

and take it deadpan

[rare garnet]

Maybe

[dense elbow]

Just dont take dooming at face value, most is just turned up to 11 for effect

[untold cape]

https://tenor.com/view/armswarrior-warrior-warriorwow-armswow-armswarriorwow-gif-27099127

[dense elbow]

I honestly dont care beyond the direction being bad design wise

[untold cape]

Never forget your roots

They use to fear us

[dense elbow]

"I was there, three decades ago"

[hot shell]

my root is a human paladin called Nobbie from classic

[young swan]

lol

[hot shell]

i dont wanna remember that

[untold cape]

Disgusting

We use to be somebody

They see us arms in arena

[rare garnet]

My bad didn’t see the haha still don’t but now I understand you were not serious

[untold cape]

They’d gquit immediately

[dense elbow]

In context, we bashing on the changes, and it all becoming WW spam

[hot shell]

I cant explain why but this looks like a nerf on the bigger side

[young swan]

lol

bt gone

[rare garnet]

I mean but it sorta already is…

[young swan]

ms gone

only cleave and WW now

pure aoe talent

[dense elbow]

Nah, you need to MS to apply Mortal Wounds

saved

[hot shell]

fury part pls ?

[young swan]

its the same

[sullen dove]

yea thats what i thought

15% to proc reap off ww

[dense elbow]

Would be hillarious if fury part was "Reap got a 100% chance"

[sullen dove]

its not a guarantee

[fading sky]

I mean this means fury spams rb again

[sullen dove]

so no chance u spam ww

[burnt oxide]

Per target hit most likely?

[hot shell]

Isnt that quite a big ST nerf too then

lmao4

[young swan]

where is the correlation

[young swan]

doubt it

[fading sky]

Bt doesnt reap

[burnt oxide]

[sullen dove]

bt is still like 80 times better than rb lol

[lavish sierra]

why would you be worried about SD no longer causing Reap in ST

isn't reap just nice for aoe?

[young swan]

it hits like a fucking mack truck

[young swan]

no

[sullen dove]

unless they compensate us for losing in st which is probably giong to take forever

[young swan]

see previous message

[sullen dove]

and if they make execute too strong then fury gets an execute phase back again

spamming it on cd

[hot shell]

so basically

[sullen dove]

which maybe is a good thing idk

[pulsar quest]

So we are back to not hitting execute in our aoe rotation ig

[lean nacelle]

wonder if reap procs off each WW tick

[hot shell]

the ciconic reap from slayer

[undone flower]

Most likely 1 or 2 week before 12.0.5 so yes

[young swan]

reap quite literally just doubles the damage of pressing execute

[hot shell]

is dead

[lavish sierra]

reap can proc off WW

[pulsar quest]

Rend on imp ww is pretty cool

[young swan]

seems to be per cast

[pulsar quest]

I was finding awkward moments to hit rend

[lavish sierra]

thanks, didn't have context there

[hot shell]

15% of ww tho

unless they quadrupled the dmg

its a nerf

[sullen dove]

rend is purely a w aside from yea if it means you dont take ER in pure st again because of it lol

[fiery hare]

Cant even tell at a glance anymore how hard anything hits since sct killed 😦

[sullen dove]

sd reap so sad

literally only had it for half a patch

[undone flower]

You don’t know how much we deal at the end of the ptr, things that does not exist are not nerfs

[sullen dove]

one good change to come out of tww

[dense elbow]

yarp

[sullen dove]

instantly "nah"

[rare garnet]

I’m just sad this is a PTR warning. This would be way funnier if they shadow dropped this change tomorrow then went home for the weekend

[pulsar quest]

Im interested to see where we fit execute into our aoe rotation again now

[sullen dove]

you dont lol

[hot shell]

For now its a big planned nerf

[sullen dove]

prolly better than rb still

but better than ww? idk!!!

[pulsar quest]

Has to be only at like 2 or 3 stacks again

2 stacks of sd

[sullen dove]

gg execute weakaura but no weakauras

someone get started on the addon

[undone flower]

It’s a first week ptr patch note, half the changes are not even deployed

[pulsar quest]

The sd reap was really cool this is sad to see

Felt like a nod to execute thunder clap tier set

[sullen dove]

that shit should be added to thane

exe is so fuckin mid on thane

[pulsar quest]

Fr

[dense elbow]

[fading sky]

Exe gets 30% dmg increase on thane

[sullen dove]

ya and still never pressed in aoe

fine st sure

[dense elbow]

Kinda tells you how bad exe is, when Thane avoid pressing it, no?

[languid willow]

someone change the RB to WW pls

[young swan]

its way better than last xpac

if ur actively avoiding execute on thane ur not really playing it correctly

[undone flower]

I prefer thane not pressing execute tbf

[dense elbow]

I mean sure, and I prefer my cocoa with milk, above dogwater

[fading sky]

Exe is ok in thane? We just rly capped at shit

Its good in st

[young swan]

its good in ST and even in low target count aoe

[fading sky]

Its just our aoe is crowded

[crystal summit]

So could RB spam with MT lightning strikes be worth it in aoe now ? I was already experimenting with a build focusing on RB and auto attack speed since auto attacks are a lot of damage. Now if I change to MT I can use RB as main builder and BT as filler and keep enrage up. I lose all bleeding talents but may be worth for like a LOT more auto attack damage and lightning strikes from rb

[fading sky]

Doubt it? Nothin changed 4 thane

[sullen dove]

idk if auto attacks are a lot of dmg.. and bt still way better than rb in every way

[young swan]

ur talking about ST centric things being better in aoe

[dense elbow]

Try the project out in dungs, and compare the two different builds, then come back with your findings

[young swan]

than aoe things in aoe (that still do a lot of ST damage)

like u cant make auto's cleave

[crystal summit]

In single target raiding dummy it's all pretty similar dps for me atm but I don't get an execute stage on dummy.

[smoky vale]

bro

zzzz

[winter shoal]

Thane getting df s3 arms exe clappa would've been peak

[brittle mauve]

watching critcake live right now and laughing how I was underusing TC with respect to what he's doing

[fading sky]

U clap enough

[brittle mauve]

feels so good to press it properly now

[tardy matrix]

How the fuck does udk and demo lock survive getting nerfed but they nerf fury? Like blizzard devs have to be drooling on themselves at this point right?

[pulsar quest]

Ur funny

Dks getting nerfed is hilarious

[dense elbow]

Just test it in keys, if you usually do 60k in a normal build, and now do 70k, you can presume you are on a nice path of finding something.

Half the fun of the game is testing things out and do things against the grain

Ppl will laugh at you, but you find stuff they dont agree exist (before one of the named ones do it, and suddenly it is a thing)

[untold cape]

Bro those notes are for like months from now

[dense elbow]

Tldr: just go for it, have fun, test

[young swan]

i mean its a little different when ur considering its ptr which is more about design than actual damage dealing

but the design choices are dogshit too so

still valid

[untold cape]

There’s going to be a bunch of patches and tuning in between

[fading sky]

Makes it worse

We now know we are fucked

[untold cape]

It really doesn’t

[dense elbow]

This be why we dooming, those that are dooming, btw - gotta point this out every time

[pulsar quest]

Tbh these aren't actually set in stone changes, the real concerning thing is that sometimes you look at the direction they lean and just wonder what is going through their head

[untold cape]

Not if there’s going to be like 4 patches in between

[fading sky]

M8

[young swan]

i dont even care about the damage implications

[fading sky]

Did u read em

[young swan]

the choices just fucking suck

[dense elbow]

Yep

[fading sky]

Its the design

[pulsar quest]

I dont really care about the numbers it's just always concerning the directions they head towards

[dense elbow]

You know it is bad when me and Xan just flat agree

[fading sky]

100% tuning will happen

[fading sky]

Ewwwwww

[undone flower]

I don’t even see what design you are pointing at

[pulsar quest]

The rend ww change is giga but

[fading sky]

U said flat🥲

[pulsar quest]

The rest is just weird

[stoic bronze]

Hey guys, joined this Discord because I am thinking of maining warrior in 12.0.5, what do you guys think?

[dense elbow]

nothing gets past you

[tardy matrix]

Run, go play udk or demo lock they're immune to balance changes

[stoic bronze]

xD

[young swan]

SD reap being gone mostly, but also the thing they replaced it with promotes horrible gameplay

[crystal summit]

I'm new to war but I liked the idea of auto attack speed.

In aoe I'll try it with MT.

Basically I worked my talents around to include the BT execute stage DMG but lose all the "added bleed DMG" talents/5 more rage from execute but in return for 30% auto attack speed on RB reset and during reck I still use BT more but just focus on RB during the rest of the rotation. I was getting similar numbers in ST and I feel less downtime.

[untold cape]

Like just wait a day and let’s see what’s coming for 3/17

And then freak out

[fading sky]

Design doesnt change

[dense elbow]

Not sure if bait or not, would be a funny troll one.

Now, in case you are genuine. It is likely all going to be fine, and Fury will play in a way that many will find fun. I would come back closer to the patch to get a feel that is more relevant, quite some time till then

[undone flower]

Which horrible gameplay ? ww spam or not will come down to tuning, reap itself does nothing on gameplay you just spin dmg when proc

[untold cape]

Yes it does lol

[fading sky]

Like slayers cooked for any m+ scenario

[stoic bronze]

it was bait

[dense elbow]

ye, figured

[fading sky]

They can revert ofc but outside reverting.. puttin reap on ww....

[young swan]

so either we spam WW because its more damage (awful design) or nothing has changed and they removed something cool and fun (also awful)

where is your argument

[lavish sierra]

Are they incentivizing trying to use raging blow?

[fading sky]

And removed our easy way 2 do aoe above 5 targies

[dense elbow]

Time to put WW on a CD, like clap

Also, remember to rename Slayer, Thaner

[ornate gazelle]

👀

[fading sky]

Slayner

[untold cape]

Layner

[cold sparrow]

Hey is there any news about the class ? I've seen a 12.0.5 patch coming

[undone flower]

I don’t have an argument I’m asking the question what is the design you are seeing, the only thing I can see : they want us to have sometime double spin animation when we ww

[ornate gazelle]

thayner

[untold cape]

Imagine playing fury

[dry hawk]

Gotta love being a target capped class have a Clap ability

[dense elbow]

Not that are worth thinking about, beyond coming bad design decissions from the devs

[ornate gazelle]

shocking

[shut pivot]

while i agree that the WW change is cringe af i think the we have a bit less ST is stupid when you have classes that already do more than fury/arms

[young swan]

when has slayer ever been focused on whirlwind

they shifted from SD/BT (granted BT also didnt really belong) to Whirlwind

that is a philosophy/design shift

and its just worse

from a gameplay perspective

[rare garnet]

I know people love change but part of me wishes classes didn’t get reworks every 0.5 patch.

[misty edge]

deleete the class

[fading sky]

Reap = only sd makes sense

[lavish sierra]

I think Slayer has been focused on reap and now by proxy is focusing on whirlwind

[fading sky]

Also means bladestorm is cooked

🤣

Or can cook. We shall c

[lavish sierra]

I mean I thought bladestorm also gets a 20% damage. Buff

[undone flower]

Is it focus on ww in 12.0.5 ? You know it can just be a fake 15% ww dmg talent but with an animation

[deft palm]

What else are you gonna do? Heal with Arms?

[young swan]

yes and then its just decidedly worse than SD reap

again

where is your point

[fading sky]

I mean either we spam ww. Or we just lost all our burst aoe

[young swan]

are u just shilling blizzard for fun

[dry hawk]

Is RB the new don't press button now?

[shut pivot]

might aswell propose this to blizz at this point lmao