fury

[brittle crow]

and u take it for stats

ur getting got

instantly

[sullen dove]

yea i mean just 3 ilvl diff

but ye guy is goofy lol

muh stats

[brittle crow]

he also said he left skyhold cuz he's already the best warrior ..

[sullen dove]

holy real

wait i wasnt trialing with u guys?

[brittle crow]

u parse yellow

[sullen dove]

the pisser

[brittle crow]

🔥

[gaunt herald]

u dont go outside often

[brittle crow]

all my plushies are in my room

:3

[rare garnet]

now what chat, i think i beat the game

[brittle crow]

do u have the 1/20000 nether drake yet

get to fishing

[rare garnet]

you know what... i guess its time to finally get fishing

[hot shell]

You guys cant beat what i got after 4 hours of fishing

[rare garnet]

its not about what you fish up, its about the time you spend fishing it up

[hot shell]

Whats the chance on those random chests

Feels like 1 per hour

And then its only motes of light

[reef laurel]

does crucible trinket not sim properly?

[ionic hamlet]

should i still use the champ renown trinket?

[rare garnet]

where is that list of what trinkets are implimented again

[reef laurel]

yeah it must not be there yet bc the buff doesnt show up

[modest condor]

search for messages by larias

[rare garnet]

the goat, whats In Beta mean, like, sorta works but iffy or its on some private area being worked on?

[modest condor]

no idea im not the one who made it

[rare garnet]

fair fair

[rare garnet]

i think the renown one doesnt sim right yet from some stuff being talked about earlier

[cerulean junco]

assuming this is representative, what am i doing wrong? getting absolutely cucked by arcane mages with worse gear (this is a single target dps boss fight)

[sullen dove]

i mean st not gonna look much better than that

in fact pretty good for sole st i'd think

but thane just does some insane aoe in cds especially

easily over 100k on any pack more than like 6 mobs

last boss blinding vale is actually an insane fury boss tho

[winter shoal]

yeah that's good single target

[rare garnet]

all i see is posts about how well fury is doing and topping meters, 17th gonna be a bloodbath

[sullen dove]

yea gg

week 1 nerubar all over again inc

20% nerf to all aoe abilities

time to swap to arms

[rare garnet]

you can deal st as fury or aoe as arms, neither will do both kek

[spare steppe]

As long as UH is around we’re hopefully safe?

[young swan]

demo too

and the mage specs

[dapper goblet]

fury just as op just sandbagging like they did last tier

[spare steppe]

Fury is a top end melee which puts it right in the middle

[modest condor]

it's nowhere near top end melee lol

[fading blade]

is the new rampage frontal too short range? i often find myself not hitting mobs that are not that far away. Playing thane btw.

[modest condor]

cant say ive ever tested the range, but it's also a talent that you should not play 99.9% of the time anyway

the 0.1% being "i dont care about optimisation i just like doing frontal cone rampage"

[round kelp]

if u wanna play for the RP fine, but it underperform every scenario

[spare steppe]

Besides UH, which are the better melee?

[faint gazelle]

brewmaster

[tepid lily]

What I'm seeing wrong with these "buffs or nerfs" is why buffing BT?

[young swan]

bear

frost

one of the rogues

[tepid lily]

Fury has 4 talents that at least buffs 10% to 15% even

RB

[dapper goblet]

monk

feral

[tepid lily]

yet still those 4 talents are not getting any love

[young swan]

BT just does a lot more damage at a baseline and has more things that interact with it

although idk exactly what point you're making

[modest condor]

outlaw ww feral survival

bunch of others have also been mentioned

not to mention that uh is so far ahead that you cant call any other melee "top end" even if it was 2nd

[young swan]

literally 50% better than the next best spec

the closest thing to unholy is just unholy playing sanlayn instead of rider

[spare steppe]

Oh damn I thought we were on par with WW/outlaw and feral was abysmal in ST. But yeah true points in UH

[modest condor]

and of the specs i didnt mention most of them i havent seen any sims so they might also be ahead

[red berry]

the tuning this tier seems so wack

although

its still very early

[spare steppe]

I pity the guardian Druid, they’re going to get dumpstered

[red berry]

not even raid outside of what we've seen on beta

[modest condor]

i think assa, enh and arms are like the only ones behind fury right now

[frank dawn]

tuning is 100% whack at the moment, because it hasn't really been tuned

[red berry]

yeah

[hot shell]

Dont worry guys. Just 7 more days until we get nerfed

[spare steppe]

Isn’t havoc as well? But yeah I see your point, I’m wrong here

[modest condor]

i havent seen havoc sims

[young swan]

heres a comprehensive breakdown of fury being not good (early sims beware)

[dapper goblet]

nerf enhance

[modest condor]

delete arms

[dapper goblet]

evil human in charge of that spec

[sullen dove]

damn demo warlock does 150 dps wtff

[modest condor]

yeah it needs big buffs

[smoky vale]

🔥🐉

wait wheres

[modest condor]

deleted from the game

also not a dps spec

[smoky vale]

[round kelp]

those three gems are haste mast lul

[young swan]

typo prob

[drowsy heron]

UDK is SOOOOOO overtuned holy shit

[sullen dove]

welcome to the club

[dapper goblet]

vil said unholy wasnt op

[modest condor]

vil is right

[hybrid yew]

Man i'm losing to unholy deathknights, mages, and warlocks in so many pulls/bosses it feels bad

sometimes by a large margin

[fading sky]

I wonder fackin why🤣, gap will only increase with gear

[hybrid yew]

you mean we're not catching up? 😭

[hot shell]

If we do we get nerfed

[grim prism]

bro theres no other class discord in the game that prepares for nerfs just in case when they're clearly in a spot to receive buffs

what have we become

[random shadow]

At least we're not arms

[hybrid yew]

OOF

goddamn

[hot shell]

Its called being realistic. Whenever we are above dead middle we get nerfed. Thats been the case since legion where we actually have been broken for once.
Tww s3 was the best we will be for a while, and that was towards the end of it when noone cared amymore

[random shadow]

I just want the target cap to be removed from improved whirlwind

[hot shell]

And i want a rage spender other than rampage that actually deals some aoe damage

[hybrid yew]

but we need to spam nothing but rampage for our apex T_T

[hot shell]

Also i want dragon roar back

[random shadow]

Apex would feel better if it was longer then 8 seconds

[young swan]

refer to the link #fury message

[random shadow]

The rampage thunderclap/blast on big aoe packs feels kinda good imo

[young swan]

yeah apex duration feels quite short

[random shadow]

Even 2 seconds more would probably feel way better. I think 4 would feel great but blizzard allowing 12 second str increase?

[young swan]

12 would be nice

[random shadow]

Most I've gotten including reckless giving 3. Was like 9-10 stacks but that instantly went down lmao

[hybrid yew]

both my rings are adventurer and dont have haste, it feels so bad

can delves drop haste rings

[median umbra]

time for u to farm nexus point :)

[hybrid yew]

just did ;-; no drops

[median umbra]

Yes. Keep going. Forever.

[hybrid yew]

i did all the dungeons this week that can give veteran haste rings

all i have left is.....delves for adventurer haste rings

[median umbra]

Max adventurer set bonus sims (and performs) better than most vet rings for me at least lol

[hybrid yew]

oh, like heroic nexus point

is heroic as many times as i want?

or once a day

to target queue

[median umbra]

you can farm heroic forever

essentially

[hybrid yew]

nice, time to farm nexus point forever on heroic

i could always use my sparks for a crafted haste ring....

[sullen dove]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-patrick-spongebob-baby-stupid-gif-16228439847622992457

[storm lantern]

Hmm, my Prey progress is still stuck at early lvl 3, even after doing this week hunts

[sullen dove]

yea no one’s getting rep

blizz’s cringe way of saying “oop can’t have you getting 2 more pieces of champ gear too early now can we!!”

thought honestly probably has more to do with the champ crests than the gear cuz then u could probably farm random nightmares to cap 100 champs but regardless game bad

[waxen vale]

blinking text lets gooo. lol

(works in combat)

[edgy widget]

nightmare is supposed to be hero gear

and blizz did say it wouldn't be avail until S1 start

[sullen dove]

hero what the sigma

[edgy widget]

that's what they said we'll see if it plays out

[pearl sequoia]

great to see blizz designed a grand new system thats been rendered to clicking traps 15 times then killing a mob

[zinc python]

What trinkets should we be farming right now?

Is it worth getting the 237 adventurer one from wrs over a 240 spark of light?

[pearl sequoia]

u can sim what st and aoe trinkets u want

[snow flower]

Nightmare boxes dropped Champ gear for rewards, but gives Hero gear in the Vault (counted as a T8 Delve in beta)

[edgy widget]

Yeah but then in an interview they said they’d give hero gear directly

They prolly just misspoke, but either way it’s more early gear

[snow flower]

Yea I'm with you on the doubt 😄

Got all my Veteran rewards done for the week already and still no purple weapon drops z_z gonna be busy with daily M0s next week to hopefully put off crafting em even further

[bold carbon]

any reason that odyns fury goes later in the opener instead of just using it to enrage

[rose rain]

I Think it was said the dot from it benefits from enrage

[signal falcon]

The free Bloodthirsts that Bladestorm casts give a bleed damage increase

So if you cast it later in the opener it’s being buffed by that

Think for Thane you still just press on pull though iirc

[honest trail]

I just do a very basic charge bt reck of opener personally xD

But Rampaging before is better

[lilac kettle]

the enrage activates before the dmg instances of the ability tho, at least thats what it did previously

[clever path]

what we will craft?

[unreal onyx]

For immediate dps gain, weapon. Long term you want cloak and bracers if I remember the wowhead article correctly

Whenever you have 2x myth track weapons

[wild glade]

anyone been watching pilav's videos? i kinda really like his cd tracker/resource bar set up and the friendly/enemy health bar plate things. Does anyone know what addons he may be using for these?

[blissful hound]

Guys did you know that Fury does tank dps and has 0 utility?

[rotund fiber]

looks nice. now wanna same UI

look like elvui

[wild glade]

hopefully someone recognizes the addons used for it

and hopefully its not elvui haha

[viral urchin]

Id rather watch paint dry than that guy

but it looks pretty much like Critcakes UI, where that guy probably copied it from

[burnt ember]

It is. Better cooldown manager and unhalted frames

[clever path]

idk maybe i will craft wrist xd

[granite crown]

If you're crafting with veteran crests you can craft whatever you're missing from m0

[clever path]

[stiff maple]

my silly post on x the everything app could not have upset you that much

😭

[blissful hound]

No it didnt

But your claims were defo very overexaggerated

And I say that as a Fury hater

[stiff maple]

I mean yea probably that was kinda the point

I truly dont think its unfair to say fury isn't in a great spot tho

Which is frustrating cus I dont think its been in a great spot for a long time

[blissful hound]

Depends what you define as great spot

Considering Fury wasnt really in a bad spot in S3 TWW

Pretty decent in raid and good in M+

Id rather argue that warrior generally doesnt get much love

Compared to dk

[stiff maple]

I think i said that

Fury ended up as fine in m+ but I dont remember dps warrior being great when I progged the raid

[granite crown]

I really hate the general philosophy of dropping random buffs halfway through the season "fixing" specs, which are irrelevant for any raiders where balance makes a difference, and fucks M+ players who rerolled

[untold flame]

Are you able to macro odyn fury and recklessness together?

[flat river]

yes

[untold flame]

Got it to work. For some reason it wasn't wanting to cast odyns

[wild glade]

anyone using unhalted know how to remove the rage counter from player frame?

[edgy oasis]

when running thane in M+ on ST boss fights. Are we still using RR even though its a weaker Rampage?

[granite crown]

Cancelaura improved whirlwind and use normal rampage

[sullen dove]

almost never

in fact probably never

[tight roost]

Wasnt there something about RR going to be fixed as its otherwise something we will never use?

Ah yeah here it is

[tight goblet]

How come you cancel improved whirlwind? does it have any negatives to keeping it on?

[dense elbow]

Yep, kinda silly talent. It is the DS vs TV choice for Fury, only scuffed as only warrior can be

Honestly, the concept of trying to give Fury uncapped sustained AoE this way is just silly.

Either double down on 5t and move dam into AoE cds for Slayer and Blast for Thane, or remove the 5t cap entirely

[granite crown]

The Rampaging Ruin talent changes Rampage to become an AOE ability that does slightly less damage to main target. On ST that is a DPS loss

[dense elbow]

When you got RR, while affected by the buff of WW, your ramp is an AoE ability that does less dam to each target, but more on many

So you remove WW for ST

[serene moat]

we wont be able to craft a mythic weapon in week 1 of season, will we?

[tight goblet]

Oh that makes sense

[dense elbow]

Should be, at least if ppl didnt lie to me but i will wait till week 2 either way

In case of buffs/nerfs and vault

[serene moat]

where would we get mytic crests from? there is no mythic raid and no m+ afaik.

[terse ether]

are we getting 1 spark this week only ? from the 4 options meta quest>?

[proud vessel]

So what is there to do this week after reset?

[granite crown]

Yep, should be 1 spark per week from now until eternity

[blissful hound]

Same as last week

[terse ether]

ah it was only 1st week we got 2

[proud vessel]

Weekly caches and m0?

[dense elbow]

You can get em when m+ season starts and the release of the mythic raid

[blissful hound]

Pretty much ye

[granite crown]

Yep, and maybe start crafting some veteran gear if you want

Some prey for crests and veteran gear(?)

[serene moat]

yes, thats week 2 of season

[dense elbow]

Season starts when m+ releases, HC week is just preseason in my eyes

More a live beta test of the raid, than anything

[blissful hound]

Agree lmao

Im happy we get to do something next week though

But for some reason I feel like heroic will be a lot easier to clear than usual

[serene moat]

well, i agree
but thats what i was talking about... no mythic craft in heroic week

[blissful hound]

Not even the chance for a mythic weapon in first vault

[dense elbow]

Wait, this sounds true, i hate that I forgot this if it is

[blissful hound]

To top it off, also need to fill the delve slots for the chance of a good heroic piece

[dense elbow]

It is that week

[blissful hound]

Im happy theres no broken delve trinket

[flat river]

real

[granite crown]

Delve slots can be filled by Prey too right? Can get a couple 2/6 champ gear from that

[loud viper]

Yo any information on bislist raid for warrior

[formal geode]

check WoWhead

[honest trail]

Remember this only the 7 first bosses

Real end boss is supposed to come later

[blissful hound]

yuh

[honest trail]

So it's like if only had Heroic till Fractilus or something

[blissful hound]

Pretty sure the last boss of Voidspire will be tuned like NK

[honest trail]

Should be yes

[blissful hound]

But NK was also underwhelming on heroic so

[honest trail]

It was fun

[undone flower]

He will still be

[blissful hound]

Tbh new NK fight looks better

[undone flower]

I doubt, NK from manaforge is close to be my fav fight of tww

they can’t do better than that right ?

[honest trail]

Ansurek and NK win all

I also loved Sprocket

As melee dps

[wild glade]

anyone able to share talents for MT for dungeons currently? or is the wowhead import good enough?>

[rare garnet]

wowhead is the gold standard

[undone flower]

Wowhead is good, you are allowed to modify the class tree if you don’t use some talents

[wild glade]

so is no rampaging ruin cause of the current state of it/bug or whatever?

[undone flower]

Yes basically you lose too much dmg in ST/lower target AoE

[wild glade]

Fair enough, gunna try slayer out today for dungeons as I haven't gotten any time on it yet and im assuming I'll be swapping for raid. Does the rotation change much? Other than no thunderclap and manual rend?

[hollow leaf]

not hugely different

[strong monolith]

dont press rend

[open mountain]

Why? It's part of the rotation

On the lower end tbf

[strong monolith]

cause rend is gross

[honest trail]

We are on strike against having to press it

[strong monolith]

^

[open mountain]

Okay 👍

[sand thistle]

oh yea

[summer quail]

Unfortunately rend is quite good in aoe

[sand thistle]

on aoe i think it's worth to use sudden death for that reap trigger

[strong monolith]

Nah still aint pressin it

get that arms shit OUTTA here

[fading sky]

IS there a

BUG with prey?

ive gotten 4 cloaks in a row now

[wild glade]

At least rend is 1 press hit everything

[fading sky]

over 3 differnt days

[blissful hound]

Im just a platform hater

Platforms really kill the pacing of any fight imo

[undone flower]

It was fine, it’s not ansurek platforms where you wait for the add to blow up, you can keep attack NK and leap at the end and instant charge

[blissful hound]

I think it was done well in DF S1 on the last boss because there was way more to do on the platforms

But I disliked Ansurek and NK because they were rather boring

Could be biased on NK because I was mostly tanking it on prog

Dimmy was also cursed

[undone flower]

But ansurek is not in my fav list, it is silken court, sprocket and NK, 1 of each raid

[blissful hound]

Just my opinion tho

Court, Sprocket and Soul Hunters for me I think

[undone flower]

And I tanked sprocket, so it was very a good fight for me if I liked tanking a raid boss

[blissful hound]

I think I only liked Sprocket because we did it when the fight was still hard

Skipping the 2nd intermission made it so faceroll

[undone flower]

I did not kill or prog before the nerfs, but I liked the prog, he died just after the second bump 1 move set into the last phase

I mostly liked gaming my char on it

Not especially boss things

[digital mauve]

In the wowhead guide what does it means "during cooldowns" and "outside of cooldowns" ? Which cooldowns?

[blissful hound]

Recklessness

[digital mauve]

Oh ok ty

So for slayer blade storm shouldnt bé used without being in Reck ? Since it's not on the outside cooldowns list of priority

[blissful hound]

They dont desync a lot so theyre usually up at the same time

[digital mauve]

Also the guide doesn't talk about the exécution phase. It's the same as slayer MT ? During Reck BB>EXEC and outside Reck EXEC > BT?

[blissful hound]

yup

[digital mauve]

Ty. Also I find myself with Blade storm coming up without Reck a lot of times and I need to wait 4-5 sec, which I don't most of the time

[undone flower]

You hold bs

I think it’s over 10sec for not holding

[wicked eagle]

Still don’t spend vet crests?

[undone flower]

mb you under 30 sec you hold bs in st and 10 sec in aoe

[rare garnet]

I mean it’s like a 1-2% loss to unbind both rend and rb in AOE so I wouldn’t say rend is quite good in AOE. It’s better but hey… if you wanted to remove some binds it’s way less of a loss than I would have expected is all. 17th make ww apply rend plz and thank you.

[digital mauve]

So if my Reck it's in 10 sec I hold my BS ? 10 second isnt a lot ?

I guess in m0 10 seconds is enough for mobs to die so what should I do for now

[undone flower]

Yeah m0s is not very good content to train

[chilly sapphire]

Just checked the raid loot tables, what's with the extreme lack of weapons compared to other classes. Never mind their placement..

[viscid oxide]

guys is there a feasible way here for me to get rumbling earth without dropping the leech?

[inner zinc]

Bounding Stride

[remote bobcat]

swap honed to intimidating, drop berserker rage talent

[inner zinc]

U could also drop fearless and put it in piercing howl and then drop honed reflexes

Yeah that

[vague stump]

got zero weapons from m0s lets hope a world tour on raid release gets me 2 decent champ ones

lol

next reset m0 drops champ loot iirc?

[void rose]

Can we Craft spark weapon this week?

[rare helm]

no

you need 4 spark

this week u will have 3

[simple rapids]

Hey guys, does anyone know, if main hand is the most important upgrade for dps, how about offhand, is that 2nd most important? 🗡️

[rare garnet]

Important but less so.

[simple rapids]

Makes sense yeah

[wild glade]

cant figure out if i should be holding for a weapon or just sending 2 embelish crafts on heroic week whats others planning?

[undone flower]

No plans, will decide 1-2 hours before guild raid

[blissful hound]

Crafting weapon early as Fury is defo way less punishing than as Arms

So thats prob a decent call

[coarse nest]

Craft 2 veteran embellishes they don’t cost sparks
Then likely craft a myth weapon with your sparks once you have enough

[random shadow]

whats our second embellishment?

ik its primal spore binding

but if not mistaken cant wear 2 of the same

[coarse nest]

2x spore is what is used on the spreadsheet sim so I’d assume that but will know for sure on the 17th

[radiant plank]

maybe they will flip embellishments upside down

[coarse nest]

Imagine

[radiant plank]

not the first time

[blissful hound]

mhm

[radiant plank]

But fury will

perma craft 2h

firsrt

[random shadow]

id rather craft and not wait till 17th but hm

[coarse nest]

Absolutely with how crests work now it’s massive value to craft a 2h and upgrade all other weapons for free

[granite crown]

Wait for patch notes, unless there's a 30% arms buff it's a weapon craft angolo

[chilly sapphire]

-With the lack of STR raid weps, craft wep going to soar.

[blissful hound]

First 2h weapon on 5th boss is a joke

[random shadow]

are you folks gonna craft a vet weapon then recraft it into mythic? whats the move here

[coarse nest]

Even crafting weapon for arms early is solid unless you like playing vault luck

[chilly sapphire]

3 raids and only 2 2hs is insane.

[granite crown]

There's like a billion M+ weapons to get from vault though

[chilly sapphire]

From vault.

[coarse nest]

Crests are so limited now and weapon is omega dps increase

[granite crown]

We highroll fo sho

[blissful hound]

Didnt even bother checking the other raids because I was too flabbergasted by the first one

[undone flower]

I didn’t check either but it seems logic 2 wep in raid

[granite crown]

And one is from gigalast boss ggwp

[chilly sapphire]

it's dropped by the last boss in teh final raid too, so yeah.

[coarse nest]

Blizzard steady flipping the bird at warrior two handed even

[chilly sapphire]

Agi weps is in abundance though.

[coarse nest]

Well of course

Rogue and mage bro

[radiant plank]

6 dungeon drops

[coarse nest]

The favorited

[radiant plank]

just vault a mythic weapon bro

smh

[undone flower]

There is not many strength specs

3* in my roster

[wild plank]

wonder which of the embellishments we'll go for hmm

[radiant plank]

the weapon one and then eventually the one they overbuff like 1 day after everyone sent crafts

[wild plank]

nodders

[coarse nest]

Lmao real

[radiant plank]

good thing about fury tho

since u always craft a 2h

u must choose the weapon embe

so it wont matter if they nerf or buff the others

[wild plank]

I went full on in BS so I can craft my own weapons anyway, idc about recrafting

[blissful hound]

Kinda is a nightmare as Arms ye

[radiant plank]

not really

you can just

chill and craft a 2h

or coinflip and get a 6/6 hero dungeon weapon adn craft 2x armor pieces and recraft eventually

as long as they dont make the weapon embe the best :)

[echo rapids]

I mean there’s only one class that uses ranged weapons but off course there’s a gun off the first raid boss

[undone flower]

Sure it’s just random, sometime we have a weapon on ulgrax sometime we don’t

[wild plank]

by the weapon embe do you mean devouring banding?

[radiant plank]

i have no clue what it is called

dont even know whats the crafted weapon called this szn

[vague stump]

sims dont seem to be working for embelishments I tried yday and just bugs out so idk what is best

the banding one sounds the best for us thou with the haste being this low atm

no im cooked haste isnt 2nd stat atm LOL

[wild plank]

ig we won't know until next week

[random shadow]

Have plenty of time to fix stats and you'll fix it once raid and keys come iut

[coarse nest]

Crafting haste mastery and never looking back

[vague stump]

ye all this fucking gear and has dogshit vers

[coarse nest]

[vague stump]

hate it LOL

[undone flower]

Are you an axe, a sword or a mace guy ?

[coarse nest]

Mace

[undone flower]

I always do axe

[vague stump]

dual wield hammer

[coarse nest]

Bro tyrs hammer from the DF dungeon is easily the best mog in the game

Always do hammers

Mace owns

[undone flower]

Hammers owns yes but usually other maces have the handle issue

[coarse nest]

This is true

Big hammer bis

[undone flower]

NK hammers is big mog

I used my dinar on it

[coarse nest]

Tru!

I missed that one sadge

We need the giant molten colossus hammer from elden ring

Now that’d be sick

[fossil hull]

hahhahaa

[spare steppe]

Any chart without demo isn’t a good chart

[strong monolith]

Damn Frost DK on watch huh

Didnt even make the list

Still gonna play Fury

its a peaceful life

[chilly sapphire]

Where's havoc

[undone flower]

Where is bear druid

[spare steppe]

#badlist

[undone flower]

Yeah no letters so I can’t understand what is playable or not

[blissful hound]

Demo lock sandbagging by not posting data

[nocturne bluff]

No way Unholy survives with a slap on the wrist

[blissful hound]

Last expac was all about Frost, now its Unholys turn

[nocturne bluff]

I'm a former Frost main, sad I skipped the one expac where they were absolutely dominant

[digital crown]

Why cant this stupid company balance dks ever

[nocturne bluff]

idk dude..

[south kayak]

They can

[strong monolith]

DK players.

MUH LICH KING

[nocturne bluff]

Plate melee dps player

periodt

[strong monolith]

wait a minute..

[nocturne bluff]

(excluding ret)

[blissful hound]

I also love how Outlaw likes to outsim the other specs but yet its never played

[strong monolith]

AM I the problem?

[south kayak]

It's gonna be played this time around because they fixed most of the downtime issues

[blissful hound]

Encounters might actually be in favor for Outlaw this time

[south kayak]

If you get targeted by an ability or have to stay away from the boss for prolonged periods of time, you do 0 damage as outlaw

[blissful hound]

It was usually an issue of damage patterns

[granite crown]

They very much did not fix downtime issues

[south kayak]

They did

You do damage outside of ADR now

Unlike before

[granite crown]

But you're still completely reliant on having it up

[south kayak]

It's not up that long though

[granite crown]

And reducing it (and every other CD) consistently

You just don't have 100% uptime

[south kayak]

You can't force it like before

[granite crown]

But you're still fucked if you get forced downtime

[south kayak]

Like any melee

It was just extra bad before

Now it's the same as any other melee

[granite crown]

I mean it's just akin to fury

But the % DPS loss from a ceratin amount of downtime is roughly the same

[south kayak]

They didn't completely get rid of the downtime issues but they did make them a lot better

[granite crown]

It just doesn't feel as bad

[south kayak]

Yeah that's what I'm saying

I never disputed that it didn't have downtime issues

That's why you never saw people play Outlaw rogues

[granite crown]

You're saying they fixed the reliance on permanent melee uptime, and they did not

[south kayak]

Because if the downtime is even as bad as 10 seconds, they're cooked

Fixed is the wrong word for it, my bad

They improved it

Happy?

[hushed gust]

Question. If I have 2 veteran weapons should I worry about crafting a 2h next week or should I just wait or craft other gear

[granite crown]

They didn't do anything close to making it good enough for raid prog

[south kayak]

I'd argue they did but I guess we'll see

[granite crown]

Unless it's like 20% ahead for fun, which is never the case

[fading sky]

i mean nerf uh 15%

prob and still bis

[blissful hound]

Imagine UH getting the Fury treatment

[fading sky]

yeah never

dks know how to cry

[blissful hound]

One can dream

[fading sky]

Dk is my alt so no

also they dont have anything that kills raid adds

so they safe

😄

danger part is having 3 x cds that aligns with every add pack in raid

thats scary

[random shadow]

Guys we just need to lock our discord like the ret pallies

We'll surely get buffs

[ember apex]

we don't have the discipline

fury feels so fucken slow rn

might as well just play caster dps

we were promised a full rework by 10.0.7 and then it hasn't been mentioned since. now the spec feels slower than ever

[coarse nest]

They did rework it

Generate less rage and less apm

[ember apex]

removing enraged regeneration is not a rework

[coarse nest]

[ember apex]

ppl are saying there's no class designer for warr

[south kayak]

We won't know anything until the next tuning post

[ember apex]

thoughts?

[livid arch]

lol, that seems accurate

[coarse nest]

Whoever was the designer is clearly not working on it now because they’re basically serving us burnt popcorn

[ember apex]

how did warrior feel better 2 expansions ago

crazy

[coarse nest]

No doubt

[livid arch]

I’ve been playing arcane mage as my alt, it’s crazy how many less mechanics range have to deal with. (First time playing a range class)

[ember apex]

bro and they act like they had to go to Princeton to get PhD in DPS to learn to play

[south kayak]

I don't know about that

Feels like y'all are overreacting

[ember apex]

"u don't EVEN KNOW how m are by swirlies I had to dodge that pull"

[south kayak]

Fury feels better than it has felt in a long time for me

[ember apex]

it is so slow bro

like soooo slow

[south kayak]

It isn't

[undone flower]

???

[ember apex]

fury used to be the apm spec

[south kayak]

There's barely any difference in terms of APM

I don't know what you're talking about

[stiff carbon]

Why do you want arthritis

[undone flower]

he wants heroic strike ogcd

[livid arch]

lol, if anything it’s preventing arthritis by making sure I use my fingers

[stiff carbon]

Screw that

[south kayak]

There's definitely going to be some slow down especially after going from last tier haste rating to new expansion

[coarse nest]

The catch is I’m still pressing the same amount of apm as before the abilities just don’t cast

[stiff carbon]

I need to go back to mm cuz a night of m0 got me hurting

[ember apex]

I like how u w agree but the way u agree is one person saying it's good it's slow and the other denying it's happening

[nocturne bluff]

I still have not heard a reasonable justification for why 4x hero talents are gated behind bladestorm

with no binary decision to synergize with avatar on slayer

[stiff carbon]

They suck at game design is the reason

[ember apex]

there's no warrior class designer at battle.net anymore

[south kayak]

I'm not denying it's happening. I'm just saying that the difference is only due to the lowered haste rating coming into a new expansion

[random shadow]

Gimme more haste

[south kayak]

There's a very slight decrease in APM

[ember apex]

yeah and I hate that lowered haste feeling

[south kayak]

That doesn't make it "SOOO SLOW"

[ember apex]

it does to me

[nocturne bluff]

What sort of ST dummy numbers are yall seeing? Out of curiosity

[strong monolith]

me too

[nocturne bluff]

forget sims for a moment

[ember apex]

we had like 90percent haste in combat in aberrus

[livid arch]

Tragic numbers. Well I haven’t done any dummy, but on st boss fights. It’s depressing

Could be I just haven’t had a lot of practice on the boss fight yet as a melee

[nocturne bluff]

I cap out at ~38ish on slayer and 36 on a weird Thane ST build i put together

(dummy)

I'm wondering if i'm just bad

[livid arch]

What ilvl?

[ember apex]

I had thane so much

[nocturne bluff]

241

[random shadow]

Maybe we're all just bad

[nocturne bluff]

but still have some vers gear i need to replace

[random shadow]

In the end

[livid arch]

We do about the same and we are the same ilvl.

[red berry]

https://klipy.com/gifs/wreck-it-ralph-im-bad-and-thats-good

[livid arch]

I feel like I touched 40k on a m0 boss last night

But I could be misremembering

[strong monolith]

I did

[nocturne bluff]

Yeah I got around 43-45 in a few dungeon bosses

varies

group buffs etc

windfury is so fucking nice

but only see it 1 in every 4-5 dungeons it seems

(random q)

[livid arch]

My arcane mage is blasting though lol

[radiant plank]

Complicated rotation on that spec

[strong monolith]

Arcane mage doesnt have bloodthirst

[radiant plank]

just saw a yt vid and its just

[livid arch]

It’s definitely gonna get nerfed next week

[radiant plank]

4 buttons

[strong monolith]

unplayable

[radiant plank]

if even that

"barrage if u have 20 stacks"
"Orb if u just barraged"
"Arcane blast"

[livid arch]

True, but when you use CDs it feels sooooo fun. Just slinging orbs lol

[radiant plank]

holy skill

sorry i forgot to also mention

[strong monolith]

thats not rampage

[radiant plank]

"barrage if oom"

[odd crater]

Ngl I dropped Rend in Slayer and I haven’t missed it one bit

[livid arch]

I gotta play something while I have all my weeklies and m0s done. And I figured mage will have at least ONE op spec

[strong monolith]

YES. Keep it up. You dont need this shit button.

[odd crater]

If anything I think it’s made me able to focus on my prio list even better

[strong monolith]

Since they gave it to us in pre-patch, I havent even put it on my bars

[coarse nest]

Rend is a minor ST gain

[strong monolith]

Fuck rend

[coarse nest]

So totally fine without it

[odd crater]

My M+ group is Prot Pally, BM Hunter, Survival Hunter, Me, Resto Shaman

[south kayak]

You forgot missiles

[odd crater]

We just turbo fuck everything

[strong monolith]

If I wanted to press rend, Id play arms or suck a shotgun. Kidding those are both the same thing!

[odd crater]

Rend no needed

[radiant plank]

They dont press missiles

Its barrage orb blast

[livid arch]

You do not press missiles lol

[south kayak]

Why not

[radiant plank]

cuz orb is better

[livid arch]

Orb is better

[south kayak]

Oh orb has clear casting

[radiant plank]

yeah

the only difference in aoe vs ST is the filler

[livid arch]

And you sling out 3

[radiant plank]

either arcane blast or its aoe version

[strong monolith]

when does reck fall into arcane mage rotation

[radiant plank]

time to levelup my mage "buffwarrior"

[livid arch]

Solid name choice

[south kayak]

Well, the only difference is you use Orb instead of Missiles

They always had the same number of buttons

[dusk topaz]

Am i the only one getting out dps by every other specs ?

[radiant plank]

yeah but now u can legit unbind missiles

[radiant plank]

yeah

[south kayak]

I don't think there's anything wrong with that, might as well be a replacement

[livid arch]

In mt?

[dusk topaz]

Oh shit, cant do more than 40kish in single target

[livid arch]

Oh yea, st. It’s a struggle atm

[dusk topaz]

ST, dont know for aoe but feel like its ok but not OP

[livid arch]

My group brings me along for my MT though.

[odd crater]

I’ve been doing well on ST with Slayer, keeping pace on MT

[livid arch]

What are you doing on ST?

[south kayak]

Fury isn't doing bad, ST should be upper middle

[livid arch]

Most my groups my other two dps are pulling like 50k atm or a lot more

[odd crater]

~45k most fights, not counting super low uptime fights

[livid arch]

Sure once we have gear based on sims

[nocturne bluff]

so with dungeon group buffs

[odd crater]

In a group

[south kayak]

Current performance isn't going to matter in a few weeks

[nocturne bluff]

that's about in line with what i'm seeing

Saw an ele shaman doing 70k in murder row last night

[wary fjord]

u doomed us, we will get no changes

[livid arch]

Sure, but the now doesn’t care about the future

[south kayak]

Future doesn't care about the now either

[livid arch]

What are the chances that they way over compensate on arms next week?

[radiant plank]

they wont

[south kayak]

Why are we thinking about this

Seems pointless

Either it's gonna happen or it's not

[radiant plank]

someone is scared of having to play arms

[livid arch]

Very nihilistic

[odd crater]

I’m so torn on what to do. I got two weapons, missing Shoulders/Wrists/Trinket for Vet, 3 dungeons left.

If after my last 3 M0’s, do I craft Non-Spark Vet gear to replace my Adventurer gear, just use vet crests to boost gear, or what?

[livid arch]

You’ll be fine. Craft a wrap next week. And you still have m0s for next week

No one is gonna not pick you as a pug because your ilvl is only 236 or something

[radiant plank]

Craft Vet pieces without spark to replace adventure and then wait

[dusk topaz]

Maybe they try to buff arm and they also buff fury by mistake

[brave sapphire]

Can we craft a weapon next week? We can't get mythic crests yet until 24th

Next week you're better off getting hero weapon from raid

[odd crater]

My raid group will be before I can do M0’s next week. Currently 241 iLvl lol

[livid arch]

You can just recraft

[odd crater]

So I guess I’ll be fine and just yolo

[brave sapphire]

Yeah but then you're sending hero crests on weapon craft AND mythic crests on the recraft

[hexed mist]

hi does the rampage macro trick for aoe/st still work or did they fix that already?

[livid arch]

Fingers crossed

[south kayak]

There's no reason for them to buff fury

[radiant plank]

if u cant play m0's before raid then its definetly worth crafting vet pieces with embes and just recrafting out of embes once u get weappy

[dusk topaz]

We deserve to be top dps even if we are not a mage

[south kayak]

No one deserves anything

[dusk topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-thinking-idk-think-wait-gif-7959205027699559349

[livid arch]

Sure, but I can WANT something to happen

[brittle crow]

all quiet on the happening front

[livid arch]

I WANT warrior to be competitive with range dps in ST damage.

[nocturne bluff]

Game devs hate melee

[brittle crow]

switch to devourer

[livid arch]

They do

[brittle crow]

u get ranged privileges and u also get to hit stuff occasionally

[livid arch]

I might as well switch to udk. They get range privileges already

They can ignore most mechanics

[nocturne bluff]

Imagine balancing spec output based on patchwerk fights and still getting it wrong

[brittle crow]

Fr why is scourge strike 30 yard range lol

you press just fester up a bit and u get to be ranged for like 15 globals

[livid arch]

Eventually even warrior will become a range spec.

[brittle crow]

warrior should get 5 yard range and be allowed to equip colossal weapons to facilitate it

https://tenor.com/view/kliff-guilty-gear-plus-r-gif-11660543987320279265

[rare garnet]

I want improved WW to cause WW to rend

[pearl cloud]

tfw you thought we were getting 2 more sparks this week 🙁

[brittle mauve]

Anyone have any tips of tracking are whirlwind buff? Im finding there's a bit of intertia or input delay as well. So my buff drops for a gcd or even two...any better visual or auditory ways of tracking it?

[undone flower]

You can craft without crest to get a 259 wep

[brittle crow]

but then u use ur spark

[brittle crow]

it's rampage

[brave sapphire]

Fair I kinda forgot you could craft weapon without crests

[brittle crow]

whirlwind doesn't tick down visually until the last hit of rampage

it's a bug arguably

[brave sapphire]

And you don't need sparks to recraft so that works

[brittle crow]

just know that if u have 1 ww stack, and press rampage, u have 0

[livid arch]

THATS WHAT IT IS.

[brittle crow]

even if ur eyes lie to u

[livid arch]

Omg I thought I was losing my mind

[brittle crow]

rampage animation causing problems for fury since it's been introduced

le sigh. we cringe on

[rotund fiber]

blizz ui can do it

[desert dirge]

Is the campaign skip leveling faster?

[brittle crow]

yes

by miles and miles

[desert dirge]

Thank God lol

[brittle crow]

get it twisted

it's still slow

[desert dirge]

Yeah but 3% xp quests are killing me lol

[brittle crow]

u still do a lot of those

dont worry

[rare garnet]

Leveling this expansion is insanely fast what

[brittle crow]

slowest it's been in a decade

[rare garnet]

[brittle crow]

at least for ur first 1 or 2

warband mentoring helps a lot but

i dont have that lol

[copper lark]

is it me or are we hitting like wet noodles outside of Recklessness and Avatar windows?

[desert dirge]

We're aight just all our damage seems to be in bloodthirst.

[south kayak]

No we aren't

Funny how it goes, people were complaining about how flat damaged Fury was

And now others are complaining about the opposite

[desert dirge]

I played ele last season with a 3min ascendancy and I'd much rather have consistent damage lol

[ember apex]

no one was complaining about fury having flat damage - consistency was one of the main perks

[south kayak]

Thane has burst damage during reck/Avatar but it's not that crazy

You still do damage outside

[south kayak]

Really? Lol

[ember apex]

everyone else was spiky damage profiles and we were consistently above average

yeah really wym

[south kayak]

They absolutely were

I've been here since 2017

[ember apex]

ok maybe i missed it but the flat damage profile is a perk of being fury

as long as u have uptime ur damage will be good

so if a boss requires something to be prioed and everyone is holding CDs u were top damage on it

mythic rasz prime example

nelth

etc...

the downside is less effectiveness in burn windows

but that's basically it

[brittle crow]

is it normal to not be able to get a collapsible star off at all at lvl 69 lol

i feel flaccid

[ember apex]

a wat

[south kayak]

Huh

[livid arch]

I’m assuming ddh?

[brittle crow]

yea

[ember apex]

oh pfft

[south kayak]

I don't know if that's normal

[livid arch]

I’ve heard it’s not easy to get one off

[ember apex]

talk to ur dr

[brittle crow]

void meta simply ends before i can generate 50 souls

and if i use the capstone that makes it 35 instead then it also ends quicker

[south kayak]

Oh yeah, you need max level to get it off frequently

Don't bother with it while leveling

[brittle crow]

ive only been able to get 2 off, ever, and it was on the training dummies in the hammerfall catch up area

so i assume i had some kinda buffs

[south kayak]

Read your apex talents btw

[jolly dragon]

Good morning. Was wondering what is a good macro for a racial like berserking or fireblood etc…?

[brittle crow]

or ig the dummy just lives long enough to not have to tab target

[brittle crow]

lvl 69

11 more levels to go

[ember apex]

cake it into ur reck

[south kayak]

You can't even see them or what?

[brittle crow]

oh u meant just read them

yea i prob can? not sure

[south kayak]

I think one of them is the ability to press CS right after entering Meta

[ember apex]

/use 13
/use 14
/use DPS Pot (optional)
/cast Berserking (Racial)
/cast Recklessness
/cast Charge (optional)

if we had avatar u throw it in there too

[clever path]

use 13 use 14?

[ember apex]

trinket slots

[clever path]

aaaa

[ember apex]

for on-use trinkets

that also depends if u have a trinket that is good to use that way

[smoky vale]

67 + 2

or

[ember apex]

some u want to build something up

[ember apex]

yoooooooo

[brittle crow]

six sevennnnnnnnnnn

[ember apex]

i love 6 7

[brittle crow]

plus twoooooooooooo

[south kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/omgbruh-corey-harris-omg-bruh-zoom-court-gif-2693074222613527227

[smoky vale]

3^1 * 23^1

[ember apex]

warrior57 = warrior67 - warrior10

[coarse nest]

🤯

[clever path]

this is ok?

[ember apex]

this is so skibidi shi fr

[ember apex]

you don't /use spells/abilities

u /cast them

[frigid cipher]

also not sure if its case sensitive or not

might be

[clever path]

should i add to this odyns fury? its m+ build

[ember apex]

idk if u know this but u can shift click from ur little spell book when editing macros

[smoky vale]

we only do prime factorization here

[ember apex]

not into that macro no

[odd crater]

It’s a perfectly average sized spell book

[brittle mauve]

Bro this shit is messing me up.. Ty

[coarse nest]

Speak for your self, I’m not doing any factoring

[smoky vale]

@coarse nest can you prove that 67 is a prime

its urgent

[ember apex]

hmm hold on

[coarse nest]

What like Optimus

[ember apex]

trial division

[brittle mauve]

I need a giant digit counting down. I just need the stack number. The icon is fluff

[south kayak]

Speaking of Optimus Prime, Transformers looks so damn great for being a 2007 movie

[coarse nest]

Specially any Megan Fox scene

[ember apex]

67 is not divisible by any prime number les than or equal to its square root - and it has no positive divisors other than 1 and itself theresfor 67 is a prime number

[south kayak]

Lmao

[coarse nest]

Lmao

[south kayak]

I still remember the car scene

[coarse nest]

But yeah no, jokes aside it was way ahead of it’s time

Great visual movie

[ember apex]

i aiint see that movie tbh

[livid arch]

You haven’t seen the first transformer?

[south kayak]

You must be younger than 20

[ember apex]

im 34 im just not into action figures movies

[south kayak]

Damn

[coarse nest]

It’s like the first avatar being way ahead of its time also

Visually unmatched

[south kayak]

Whenever I think of great older CGI

[dusky moon]

Can I just say

[south kayak]

I think of Pirates of the Caribbean

Especially Davy Jones

[coarse nest]

Also Great movies bro!

Holly throw back

[dusky moon]

That brew worked his ass off last week

[coarse nest]

My wife’s divorcing me probably

But atleast I did 16 M0s for Larias

[dusky moon]

The old man actually leveled two characters despite us doubting him

[coarse nest]

[misty thunder]

I mean you would have been like 16 when it came out

[dusky moon]

This week is the easy week

[smoky vale]

gm @dusky moon

[south kayak]

How the hell did they manage to make Davy Jones look so good in 2006??

[coarse nest]

Thank god no more leveling

The most dogshit activity in this game

Stg

[dusky moon]

Gm

[ember apex]

ive never been into it really

[livid arch]

I haven’t seen any of the post Shia LeBouef transformers, but those first few were pretty good for what they were.

[misty thunder]

first one is fine - later ones are too Michael Bae y

[south kayak]

I recently realized that the explosions in the first Transformer movie are all real

[dusky moon]

https://tenor.com/view/davy-jones-pirates-of-the-caribbean-at-worlds-end-bill-nighy-pirate-gif-26645855243312268

[south kayak]

The dude actually exploded a bunch of shit lol

[ember apex]

yeah im sure they're fine movies i just never got into it - i also didnt get into a lot of movies in general

[south kayak]

What a lunatic

[smoky vale]

i stayed up until 4 am playing sts 2

and now i got to class 20m late

🔥

[bitter palm]

sts57

📅

[coarse nest]

Larias IRL

[south kayak]

Can't believe this is a 2006 movie

[misty thunder]

yep, and then he discovered that you could do all that and more in cgi and it lost a lot of weight

[south kayak]

Yeah, I agree

[coarse nest]

Amazing cgi btw

[south kayak]

It looked way better in the first movie

[dusky moon]

:pantsgrab:

[ember apex]

dont movie studios now use like unreal and shit

[south kayak]

Because it felt real

[coarse nest]

Massive pirates of the Caribbean fan

[coarse nest]

LOL 😂

[livid arch]

Project Hail Mary comes out next week

[coarse nest]

🤝

[south kayak]

I loved the first two movies

Don't remember the rest aside from that one with Javier

If that's his name

[coarse nest]

I’d bean outlaw main if it wasn’t so dogshit to optimize

Pirate theme is sick

(Not familiar with MN outlaw)

[south kayak]

Why is it dogshit to optimize

[coarse nest]

It was bro did you see the faq for that spec?

Damn novel of conditions

This may not be the case anymore idk

[bitter palm]

idk how it is now but it used to be knowing ur rolls and playing vanish windows

[south kayak]

When was that?

[bitter palm]

with ace

[coarse nest]

#fury message
this is false actually warrior is just way too cool

[south kayak]

Vanish window doesn't exist anymore

Vanish isn't a dps CD anymore

[coarse nest]

Yes!

That’s great

[south kayak]

And roll the bones are something you press after ADR

[coarse nest]

Can you use it to dodge mechanics again?

Like meld

[bitter palm]

finally

[south kayak]

Most likely

Don't see why not

[coarse nest]

Fuck yeah

That’s great

[acoustic dust]

So do we use Bladestorm at all or not?? I keep finding conflicting information.

[rare garnet]

People bitch about being flat as often as they ask in prot about tracking IP (daily)

[coarse nest]

Damnit I gotta level a rogue

Ffff

[smoky vale]

outlaw is fury

[south kayak]

You might not like this about Outlaw but the auto attack damage is obscene lol

[coarse nest]

💯

[oblique thistle]

The dice buffs are also a lot more simplified

Higher number = better

[south kayak]

Yep

You press it on CD or after ADR

[bitter palm]

holy

[random shadow]

Slayer uses bladestorm. MT does not

[smoky vale]

w no more staring at if i have any of 5 buffs

[oblique thistle]

I mean our auto attack damage is also p high

[south kayak]

Not compared to Outlaw

Not even close

[rare garnet]

Agree ours should get buffed

[oblique thistle]

[acoustic dust]

Are you guys liking MT or Slayer more for Mythic Plus?

[rare garnet]

I’m a slayer simp

[coarse nest]

I’ve been playing thane so far

[acoustic dust]

I’ve tried thane, seems solid

[random shadow]

I enjoy thane. I think id like slayer more with more haste

[coarse nest]

[oblique thistle]

Thane does more consistent aoe damage
Slayer does comparable aoe while doing a bit more single target
You can honestly play either

[honest trail]

I would play Slayer if not for fucking Rend

[random shadow]

Just dont click rend

Ezpz

[oblique thistle]

Rend doesn't feel as bad because raging blow is dogshit

[rare garnet]

Just ignore it it’s barely a loss

[oblique thistle]

Like you might as well press it

[oblique thistle]

In aoe it matters more

Like a lot more

[honest trail]

In pure aoe it does a lot

It's uncapped

[oblique thistle]

But again raging blow is giga shit so youre going to just press it anyways

[honest trail]

In ST I will ignore it 100&

[random shadow]

I wish it wasn't a cone and was more like clap but just me

I tend to miss some rend due to skill issue

[honest trail]

Idc about the numbers being better than RB, it just has 0 interactions with the whole fury kit

[unkempt rose]

eeh does whirlwind do more dmg with meat cleaver talent than raging blow on 4+ targets with imp whirlwind buff on?

[honest trail]

It sucks

Remove it

Now

[unkempt rose]

i mean it seems you never press raging blow

on slayer

[rare garnet]

It’s a 1-2% loss to ignore both it and RB in AOE and just spam WWs I’m not sure I call that huge but everyone different

[random shadow]

Cause you dont

Shit is garbo

[calm dock]

so am i crazy or will it really take 2 months to get 2 crafted weapons for fury?

[oblique thistle]

I mean you still will ocassionally if you run out of stuff to press in single target

[oblique thistle]

Welcome to fury

[random shadow]

I mean thats generally how it goes

We get our first weapon next week

[spare steppe]

Same as it was before

[calm dock]

wasnt it only 2 sparks for a 2 hander in WW?

[honest trail]

I hope for a 5 to 10% buff on RB on the 17th and then going back to full Slayer

[oblique thistle]

Yes but that was with spark fragments

[bitter palm]

i mean u dont craft 2 weapons anyway

[random shadow]

Its the same as last season just no more half sparks

[oblique thistle]

Now we dont have any spark fragments and the crafting cost is doubled

[calm dock]

i see

[spare steppe]

And it was 2 fragments to make a spark

[random shadow]

1 handers cost 2 sparks. Same as last season just no dust

Or fragments rather

[oblique thistle]

Ideally you craft a myth weapon and then rip a myth track weapon in the vault for big free upgrades

Won't happen for a couple of weeks unfortunately

[random shadow]

Could rip mythic weapon in 3 weeks

[spare steppe]

aren’t the 2h super late bosses?

[random shadow]

5th boss

[bitter palm]

u get to craft a 2h on mythic week

[oblique thistle]

Realistically it'll be vault

[bitter palm]

and m+

and u get the other from m+ vault if ure lucky

or 5th boss

[rare garnet]

Late for some early for some and RNG in vault it’s all hard to say but I’ll craft a weapon I’m sure “bis” gear between crafted weapon and true bis is going to be super small but haven’t actually checked yet

[oblique thistle]

Yeah crafted weapon + myth weapon will be completely fine for a good long while

[random shadow]

Depends on content you do and if lucky. But most folks will craft a myth weapon

And it won't be that big of margin of dps loss

[oblique thistle]

And if you really care then you can maybe transition to two crafted armor pieces for embellishments but idk what embellishments are good yet

[spare steppe]

Probably do hunt for the first weapon and then recraft eventually for bracer/belt/cloak

[oblique thistle]

Yup

Or be like me and never get a second myth weapon and sit with the crafted weapon the whole season 🙂

[spare steppe]

are you me

[coarse nest]

Me you are

[random shadow]

You me are

[coarse nest]

We is them

[tropic wasp]

sup guys, or "bis" stats are haste>mast>crit=versa?

[coarse nest]

Generically yeah

Sim will likely want more of other stats once around 30% haste

“Feelycraft”

[random shadow]

This a case of do what robot says

[fluid helm]

So our priority is Mastery over Haste correct? I’ve seen it both ways on wowhead/icyviens

[random shadow]

But ye 30% haste is probably where you wanna go mastery

[spare steppe]

Ilvl -> sim

[coarse nest]

Gearing is simple really

• equip ilvl
• sim items with equal ilvl

[random shadow]

I always assume we're talking about decently even or high ilevel when talking about secondary stats

Otherwise I just pick highest ilvl

[desert dirge]

Can I ask if the mythic 2h will be giga expensive? I haven't looked at mats. I got like 150k lol

[fluid helm]

I’m talking more end game not gearing

[orchid oyster]

My ilvl is decent but I have 8% haste 😭

[coarse nest]

It will very likely be stupid expensive to craft yes

[random shadow]

Depends if guildie id making it. But I think tier 2 mats is about maybe max 50k?

[coarse nest]

Can spend this week gathering the mats yourself

[random shadow]

Probably less

[undone flower]

20k last time i checked

EU

[random shadow]

I have to much crit man

[coarse nest]

The moment people start crafting rank 3 mythic weapons those mats will skyrocket

The goblins do it everytime

[random shadow]

Should buy mats now then