I saw puzzle box was back and almost threw my pc out of the window because of how much I hate puzzle box
#fury
wild mural
Yeah I’m never using it
brittle crow
i don't mind casting puzzle box
but why is it so good for us if it's 2m cd
when we're a 45 sec class
are u supposed to hold for puzzle boxes
wooden lagoon
Just so much mastery
fading sky
Dno man fuck puzzle no way its good for us
fading sky
I mean, some raids prob if u hold cds anyways
wooden lagoon
I feel like a race change what should I go
fading sky
Main issue us.
War doesnt have that much burst anyways
Low peaks. So passive trinkets often good
lapis breach
Fury in a good place or we bad?
fading sky
Fury is fine
wild glade
Fury in a good place or we bad?
we're okay
fading sky
Y not fantastic but ok.
wooden lagoon
Let's just say warrior will be in rwf..... as prot
fading sky
I played uhdk as well, and lets be honest
fading sky
Let's just say warrior will be in rwf..... as prot
Nah fury has a chance
If all dks die
wooden lagoon
Our only hope is arms gets giga buffed fury damage profile to boring to be good in raid
fading sky
Fury legit, i dont c it🤣
I mean stable good dmg with of and bladestorn
Prob some add fights
Were we good
Like depends when shit spawn
Ofc if dk // demo // mage are allowed 2 have 30% more dmf
All this is moot
Lock is 45%
But y
honest trail
Doesn't really matter of its in RWF or not. We're more than fine
fading sky
Nah it does
honest trail
Except for RB being slightly undertuned
fading sky
In a worse guild as a good player it fuckin sucks, when u loose 2 dumbtwats
coarse nest
Yeah he wants top 3, I just put the two from silms ST slayer sim for now been asking around for more trinket info but doesn’t seem to be much yet
honest trail
In a worse guild as a good player it fuckin sucks, when u loose 2 dumbtwats
Should always compare yourself to same spec
Ignore others
civic jay
So, we're a week in. Do we have a decent way of tracking Whirldwind buff that doesn't lag yet?
fading sky
Sensei
granite crown
What addons are people using to track improved whirlwind stacks btw? BCDM has insane delay to track stacks sometimes
random shadow
Sensei
civic jay
🤣
remote bobcat
What addons are people using to track improved whirlwind stacks btw? BCDM has in...
💀
granite crown
lmfao can't read apparently, mb
drifting pond
ayije
unreal onyx
whats the best way to get ilvl gear when I already did mythics?
coarse nest
Hard prey’s give 2 vet track pieces iirc
hollow leaf
whats the best way to get ilvl gear when I already did mythics?
World quests
Your first 2 hard hunts give veteran gear too
233 ilvl
coarse nest
Sounds like you did all the farmable things
hollow leaf
Waiting game for world quests then
hollow leaf
That give what you need
warm crag
Your first 2 hard hunts give veteran gear too
How do i do this
spring lantern
already did those too
if you have done all 8 x m0, 2 hard prey, WQs, then the only thing left to do is heroic (tiny gains) or wait for reset 🙂
warm crag
My goal is to not play the game i pay for
unreal onyx
if you have done all 8 x m0, 2 hard prey, WQs, then the only thing left to do is...
oof
lvl 7 delves dont give anything?
hollow leaf
Crystal on the right side of innkeeper > do normal mode hunts until hard gets unlocked > do them
coarse nest
I need to disable the ww tracker icon on atrocity and get bars instead is “senseis” the best option for that?
warm crag
That sounds too hard
random shadow
lvl 7 delves dont give anything?
not during preseason
spring lantern
some wqs give you 230 gear, and you could get something out of heroic dungeons but its not really worth
hollow leaf
A hunt takes like 5 mins
random shadow
I need to disable the ww tracker icon on atrocity and get bars instead is “sense...
senesei is great
unreal onyx
sadge
warm crag
A hunt takes like 5 mins
Tau ceti 4 awaits me
coarse nest
Pretty sure there’s a fast way to do the preys besides doing the world quest
Idr where I read that
hollow leaf
Spam traps
coarse nest
Ahh that’s it yeah
hollow leaf
Takes 5 mins to complete
spring lantern
as long as they leave it for a few more days its all g 😄
coarse nest
HAH true
coarse nest
I will say the two hand sword I got from a prey yesterday looks so sick
hollow leaf
Outside of the veteran gear they're just for capping veteran crests
coarse nest
It’s curved with a red hue to it
hollow leaf
Which doesn't matter if you don't actively raid
spring lantern
I will say the two hand sword I got from a prey yesterday looks so sick
the exact one i was thinking of, got it first prey on warr
hollow leaf
Dented
hollow leaf
coarse nest
Vet crests come from other sources as well once the raid launches
wild mural
coarse nest
Wonder how quick the “catch up” would be
wild mural
Big boy
spring lantern
capping vet crests is just the only thing left to do, stops mattering as soon as you raid basically
nice to have something to do tho
coarse nest
That’s what I was thinking too yeah
rare garnet
Vet crests come from other sources as well once the raid launches
Hopefully by the time raid launches I don’t still need vet crests
rare garnet
Oh I mean, I’m capped
spring lantern
we like to stretch the phrase need 😄
wild mural
Well normal raid drops champ gear so why are people even saying to save vet crest
coarse nest
You upgrade the vet items and then increase the champ items for free?
spring lantern
just to spend it on m0 gear right before raid for the huge 0.1% gains for that first raid
rare garnet
I’ve caught 150 butterfly’s and got 300 fishing, if I wasn’t capped on crests I would feel bad. Not a lot to do.
wild mural
You upgrade the vet items and then increase the champ items for free?
Oh yeah I suppose
spring lantern
wasting any tiny gain would cause us to be up all night thinking about our mistakes
wild mural
Tbh
I’m not even planning on getting CE this tier
I might just send it
I’m not that bothered
spring lantern
it really wont matter even if you are going for ce
just what the guides say so thats what people do
wild mural
I upgraded my wep, I got the trinket from Windrunner spire last boss so that seems worth to upgrade
coarse nest
If you don’t have vet crests capped your seasons cooked 
rare garnet
Wow is distilled into endless optimization, comparing yourself to others, and parse chasing. It’s what we do.
spring lantern
how could i log in with a clear conscience if my friend has 1 more ilvl than me
unacceptable trolling
rare garnet
how could i log in with a clear conscience if my friend has 1 more ilvl than me
My Guildie got luckier on m0s and had 240 ilevel and I’m only 238. I’m almost uninstalled
wild mural
rare garnet
Sometimes you do everything right and still lose
wild mural
how could i log in with a clear conscience if my friend has 1 more ilvl than me
Yeah deleting my warr rn cause my druid is 1 lvl higher
rare garnet
Yeah deleting my warr rn cause my druid is 1 lvl higher
That’s god telling you your main
warm crag
Except I refuse to raid heal
Tldr
wild mural
I did it last season and sucked at it
rare garnet
I wanted to know back in SL launch if I should play Warrior. ran to Garrosh and th first time I ever took a Warrior there got tusks. Sometimes there are signs
wild mural
lol yea
fading sky
Lucky sob
warm crag
I did it last season and sucked at it
Tldr
wild mural
Hi spongie ily
warm crag
@compact siren summarize it in 1 word
warm crag
Hi spongie ily
Hiii
warm crag
Close the game until s1 releaees
sullen dove
Lucky sob
He just upgraded his weapon lol not that lucky
like 1.25 average ilvls over someone who didn’t
Real Ilvl like 239
sullen dove
one veteran upgrade is basically allowable
especially if u get a lot of m0 gear
cuz I did realize aside from the 20 vets a piece to sometimes save on champ crests the other “significant” thing you can do with them maybe is craft 246 for 80 vets if you don’t get drops in those slots and they’re still adventurer Ilvl going into raid
random shadow
are we saving vet crests this week for anything besides upgrading after our final m0 tour? since we dont craft anything due to our 2 hander
compact siren
<@167252773912444928> summarize it in 1 word
Agoraphobia
sullen dove
you wouldn’t want to upgrade multiple pieces anyway as the best power of it is used by saving 20 champs on 1/6 champ gear
which normal/heroic raid aside that will drop mostly higher ilvl the m0’s of that week and presumably nightmare preys will also be 1/6 champ so filling with that is epic
once u get a 246 champ item is when u spend vets to push that slot to 250 and save 20 champs on the champ item
rare garnet
Nightmare hunts about to be lit
random shadow
dam i shouldve saved my vet peieces on my champ slots instead of disenchanting then
sullen dove
can item restore probably
rare garnet
dam i shouldve saved my vet peieces on my champ slots instead of disenchanting t...
Item restoration
sullen dove
but yea if u got veteran neck/helm/waist mainly item restore upgrade the vet to 250 then upgrade the renown piece for free
regardless like the crest save for gear upgrading is at max 300-320 vet crests if not a 2hand user, and only applies if u get a 246 champ item, if u dont you cant do anything so reduces how many vets you need it likely won’t be close to 300 if u get higher ilvl raid gear
but good for after m0s and preys on the 17th
only other thing is yea u can craft 246 if u still are wearing adventurer gear by the time u walk into raid
tho surely get lucky enough from 2-3 sets of m0 and preys to be mostly 240 geared
I’m only wearing 4 blue pieces I think on main rn so surely lucky armor stacks tomorrow
brittle crow
once u get a 246 champ item is when u spend vets to push that slot to 250 and sa...
i said this to u and u were like i upgrade weapon right now anyway
AND you called me slurs
random shadow
lmao
sullen dove
you did not say any of dat wha
that was a personal cook
and any slur I may or may not have said
was meant
tropic inlet
Light's Potential or Potion of Recklessness ?
tropic inlet
1725 highest secondary too 😐 actually reck sims quite higher, probably because we have low secondaries. With higher gear i think light potential is better. What do u think?
random shadow
i think maybe when we get actual decent secondary stats light might come ahead, since i think generally more STR is better then secondary stats that that 600 extra STR we get will be better then 1725 mastery/haste
but then again idk and im probably wrong
rare garnet
Don’t be a coward use rampant abandon
random shadow
Don’t be a coward use rampant abandon
Ima be brave and use you
rare garnet
Make sure to get tested after
unborn delta
if you arent ilvl240 yet its gg go next expansion
rare garnet
Agree. At this point you’re really just too far behind.
echo rapids
I’m only wearing 4 blue pieces I think on main rn so surely lucky armor stacks t...
I’m saving all my vet and adv crests to convert for eventual turbo boost
All that vet stuff is getting replaced instantly anyway
vague stump
is the APL in raidbots for slayer accurate my single target seems fucking low low
vague stump
I was thinking it wasn't right is there a custom one we can use?
modest condor
i think there was a sheet going around with a super convoluted apl but i dont have the link
vague stump
hopefully it is fixed next week at some stage before we go into raid lol
modest condor
ofcourse
coarse nest
hopefully it is fixed next week at some stage before we go into raid lol
Believe this is what Silm is referring too
For reference
fiery edge
if you arent ilvl240 yet its gg go next expansion
iim238, guess im cooked 
getting denied for the whole expac
random shadow
Im so ready for m+
timber oriole
Fury war or havoc dh
random shadow
Fury dh
dense elbow
100k Fury warriors enter the LF que, only two will leave with a key done
May the odds be in your favour
timber oriole
lol
wild mural
I probably do more dps on my resto druid
vague stump
my sims atm with fury slayer are 28k 1 boss 5 mins my unholy is 54k I really didnt think fury was that bad?!
coarse nest
I tested this theory and applied to the last M0 I needed for about 15 minutes as a 229 fury warrior and I think I got declined atleast 10 times lmao
Warrior is so cooked
vague stump
I played a fuck ton on beta and didnt feel that bad at all does tier set just omega carry us again this tier lol
coarse nest
Nah tier is only like 3% gain
sullen dove
my sims atm with fury slayer are 28k 1 boss 5 mins my unholy is 54k I really did...
Idk what u be simmin or if just low ilvl I sim for like 41k
coarse nest
Well, that’s all I can see now they probably have different numbers that are not publicly shared
dense elbow
early
dapper goblet
vague stump
2 ilvls lower 23k more dps XD
vague stump
I have consumables on
wtf
oh theyre set to default for some reason raidbots still thinks its season 3
sullen dove
huge 20 secondary stat
yea ur dk has current season ones tho
unless it’s just like manually input along with dk apl which consume ur supposed to use
in which case shame on warrior apl for not doing same
or just chudge
sullen dove
regardless idk dk is a lot better sure but it’s the single highest simmin class in bis which almost certainly will be nerfed one way or another
coarse nest
Fixed for less dps
coarse nest
winter shoal
unless it’s just like manually input along with dk apl which consume ur supposed...
Those come from the simc template AFAIK which I don't think is fully updated for warrior
sullen dove
ragey
winter shoal
Me when I can't sim my virtual guy a week before any relevant content is available
vague stump
somehow aswell I have a leather chest equipped?! fuck knows how thats possible
vague stump
I shall be the front runner on that one
sullen dove
Will get us buffs
vague stump
when devs ask for sims give them mine insta buff
coarse nest
Bro why am I simming 10k
sullen dove
sullen dove
That is kind of brain dead tho
that 2hand maces are either strength or int and not both
what are we doing here
making two diff recipe for an identical item
That situation should not even be possible to occur
winter shoal
Need patch notes before the weekend or I'm gonna shit a brick
vague stump
yeah hoping friday but lets see
feels for the arms players if fury is this bad arms is omega fucking cooked
winter shoal
Fury isn't bad lmao
Middle of the pack single target and good add cleave profile
Should be strong but not stacked, like it has been the last two expansions
Arms needs the help of every deity known to mankind though
past frost
Did you ever get an answer? Im trying to read through 100000 msgs xD
fathom jay
I did, but I meant Enrage and not Recklessness, but the answers helped regardless.
past frost
How did you end up tracking it? I am so confused
vague stump
Better Tracked Bars maybe?
winter shoal
Idk if anyone answered you about rampage during recklessness but latest APLs I've seen have BB > ramp > exe > CB as slayer in st
past frost
I have better cooldown manager
winter shoal
Most cdm addons should be able to skin the cdm buff bar
I use nephui
Arcui can
Bcdm probably can
vague stump
yeah just checked my APL and its BB over rampage 1st rampage cast isnt until 8 secs into the fight kinda weird
past frost
And I put the spell ID in the addon under buffs, but it just doesnt show
winter shoal
yeah just checked my APL and its BB over rampage 1st rampage cast isnt until 8 s...
As slayer or thane
winter shoal
The apl on simc is cooked yeah
fathom jay
How did you end up tracking it? I am so confused
No, there's literally an in-game feature. - I activated it and made sure it's ticked on to be visible and then in the UI Edit I just moved it around like any UI feature - I disabled Better CDM I couldn't understand what the point was? But to be fair I didn't really try to understand it and it disabled some of the basic features like the recklessness tracking bar
winter shoal
The one from the sheet is more "correct" but very complicated
vague stump
the public google one yeah?>
winter shoal
The one fishy made yeah
vague stump
yeah I have that I will take a look
spare steppe
Idk if anyone answered you about rampage during recklessness but latest APLs I'v...
API also isn’t prioing clap during CDs as MT over anything
winter shoal
Archi is working on simplifying that APL but isn't done yet I think (and it'll almost certainly change on the 17th anyways)
past frost
No, there's literally an in-game feature. - I activated it and made sure it's ti...
To track the rampaging berserker buff?
Could you maybe tell me what that is?
Its not in the cooldown manager.
vague stump
Literally only things you need to track is enrage/sudden death/ww stacks aint really any need for anything else
remote bobcat
slayer rend single target lalalalala
vague stump
I just track that with plater nameplates tbh
unborn delta
Fixed for *less* dps
its fewer because i can count the individual damage points warrior is doing (1, 2, 3, 4, 5)
coarse nest
We all have to spin around and pat our head 3 times then warrior will get buffed
unborn delta
fathom jay
To track the rampaging berserker buff?
Could you maybe tell me what that is?
I...
No, to track enrage
safe gust
Need patch notes before the weekend or I'm gonna shit a brick
they aint tuning till the 17th
vague stump
yeah but we will get tuning notes before then????
vague stump
probably nerfed knowing warrior wouldnt surprise me one bit
modest condor
well you're in luck, we have 3 of them!
dense elbow
In theory you could even combine all of them to one!
wild glade
well you're in luck, we have 3 of them!
Does defensive stance count?
dense elbow
Sure do bud
wild glade
Cause thats a terrible solution
Haven't boomkins been crying forever about having to go bear?
dense elbow
Not even close to the same thing
random shadow
Going into bear slightly different then stance
loud field
I mean you can still do your regular stuff in defensive stance
just doing less damage
random shadow
You lose less gcd on thr warrior by switching stances compared to a form
wary salmon
loud field
bear you can't do anything boomkin related lol
random shadow
You're losing on alot of uptime to pop bear and frenzi regeneration
wild glade
Okay then why do we have to take a 20% loss to have a defensive 🤔
random shadow
Compared to switching stances
loud field
isn't it 10% lol
wild glade
I thought it was 20 maybe im blind haha
modest condor
it is, and you're usually only in def stance for a short amount of time anyway
dense elbow
pretty sure it is 20/20 in PvP
modest condor
most of the time you can get by without using it
it's only really in high end m+ and mythic raids that you need to use it
odd crater
Just tell your healers to pump into you instead and maximize dps
olive cobalt
Have they ever experimented with a short timer where defensive stance doesn't nerf damage on a cd ?
smoky vale
only time you needed dstance last season
olive cobalt
As a noob it feels kinda hard to press defensive stance for tanking damage even for a short while
smoky vale
is to live clap roar in psf
on a 19
like
you do not need it
much less enraged regen
olive cobalt
Yeah that's fair
random shadow
I think enraged regen and victory rush is enough till you reach higher keys
Dont see where you'd need more till like 19s
Pop a pot and call it a day
smoky vale
you barely needed it on 19
dense elbow
I am just confused why ppl treat Dstance dancing, to be this gigantic DPS loss, when you likely only in dstance for a global or two
strong kayak
hello 🙂 quick question: is thunder blast currently bugged? the tooltip says it does less damage then thunderclap. or is it just a tooltip error?
smoky vale
hello 🙂 quick question: is thunder blast currently bugged? the tooltip says it ...
no it does less
🙂
strong kayak
huh? why?
dense elbow
hello 🙂 quick question: is thunder blast currently bugged? the tooltip says it ...
It does less, got more effects (striking lightning) that adds dam and is spell dam
modest condor
because blizzard in their infinite wisdom decided to randomly nerf tblast by 30%
we'll never know why
dense elbow
I say nerf clap 30% to make up for that scuff
olive cobalt
Doesn't it deal more damage due to armor ignore on stormstrike damage ?
I never paid attention
random shadow
Nah no need nerf. Buff everything ezpz
dense elbow
No, nerf
modest condor
it still does less damage after the armor ignore
olive cobalt
Damn
strong kayak
that confuses me, so is thunderblast a feelsBadMan moment or is it still better then clap overall?
modest condor
but it does have a guaranteed lightning strike and extends avatar
dense elbow
It better than clap, it casts a lightning and jazz
strong kayak
okay thanks
dense elbow
Would be hillarious if the play was to macro another cancel aura into fury, to remove the blast to clap normally
I would honestly enjoy that
random shadow
Blast looks cool tho
winter shoal
Cause thats a terrible solution
Def stance is like the best defensive in the game wym
vague stump
the cancelaura ww rampage button is a thing I never ever knew I wanted
olive cobalt
I am just confused why ppl treat Dstance dancing, to be this gigantic DPS loss, ...
It's just that if something doesn't outright kill you it's hard to get into the mindset of changing stance
wary salmon
Havent played retail since legion. If i were to look for midnight related guides, what is the truest source of information? Seems theres four guides prolly all written by different folks. Also sims. Is wowsims the best sim site to use?
vague stump
fucking rr is actually good but you really shouldn't be punished that bad for taking it mega tilts me
olive cobalt
To me at least
dense elbow
Def stance is like the best defensive in the game wym
I will tldr you:
Problem isnt how efficent it is as a dCD, problem is that it costs you a miniscule amount of DPS
coarse nest
Only class in the game that can just permanently take 20% less damage if wanted
dense elbow
It aint worth discussing 
random shadow
Its a bigger dps loss to be dead
winter shoal
Only class in the game that can just permanently take 20% less damage if wanted
More than that in most cases with stance mastery innit
vague stump
so does fury just become arms in def stance now? xD
coarse nest
More than that in most cases with stance mastery innit
True
It’s not a major loss to swap to dstance
Dieing is a major loss
winter shoal
so does fury just become arms in def stance now? xD
I think fury with only 1 weapon still beats arms
dense elbow
so does fury just become arms in def stance now? xD
... My god, that is what blizz has intended
vague stump
tbh I bet fury in d stance would do more dmg tbh
modest condor
Havent played retail since legion. If i were to look for midnight related guides...
wowhead for guide, raidbots for sims
modest condor
fucking rr is actually good but you really shouldn't be punished that bad for ta...
rr sucks even if you have a cancelaura macro for singletarget
wary salmon
wowhead for guide, raidbots for sims
My goat ty
winter shoal
tbh I bet fury in d stance would do more dmg tbh
Would do like 10% more I think
Maybe more
dense elbow
Ppl still not been won over by the whole frontal cleave on fury, Divine Storm light?
winter shoal
Fury sims like 93k, slarms is like 74k
verbal steppe
u guys do dps with paladins and warlocks in your team? i cant compete with em
heavy galleon
do you apply rend on MT on slayer fury ?
vague stump
rr sucks even if you have a cancelaura macro for singletarget
is it actually that bad for M+ though I felt like the dmg was good?
random shadow
We're simming 93k? For what and where
modest condor
is it actually that bad for M+ though I felt like the dmg was good?
it only breaks even on 7 targets and you're still losing major prio damage while you're aoeing
spare steppe
Fury sims like 93k, slarms is like 74k
With bis?
winter shoal
u guys do dps with paladins and warlocks in your team? i cant compete with em
Yep, burst classes gonna burst but we hold our own
verbal steppe
Yep, burst classes gonna burst but we hold our own
sometimes they do more and more annd i cant compete ffs
winter shoal
do you apply rend on MT on slayer fury ?
Yeah but it's not gonna kill you if you don't
vague stump
it only breaks even on 7 targets and you're still losing major prio damage while...
nice of blizzard to give us another useless talent then LOL
winter shoal
sometimes they do more and more annd i cant compete ffs
Skill issue perhaps idk. In the m0s I was doing with two rets last week, they were averaging like 60k overall and I was doing like 50k
dense elbow
Please, noone, and I mean, NOONE, take DPS overalls seriously from content we doing atm
I beg on my knees
please
dont
verbal steppe
Skill issue perhaps idk. In the m0s I was doing with two rets last week, they we...
around 40-45 k im doing in m0
winter shoal
I'm not, just using my n=1 anecdote to say that we're fine
modest condor
you mean pulling half the dungeon and bursting it down in 15 seconds is not a good indication of balance?
winter shoal
Big if true
dense elbow
All we know for sure from this, is even in this burst meta, slayer burst sucks
:Keks:
winter shoal
We were doing kinda m+ press w routes though, not giga pulls
modest condor
All we know for sure from this, is even in this burst meta, slayer burst sucks
always been like that, even in tww s1
people acted like we would have been good in m+ if we never got nerfed
dense elbow
TWW s1 HC week burst was bonkers
modest condor
but we would only have been good for 5 seconds, and then we were back to healing dps
any half difficult m+ dungeon we would have ended that pack tied with the tank
dense elbow
people acted like we would have been good in m+ if we never got nerfed
We wouldnt, that is why I advocated loudly for the nerfs being super bad for the scene
Some ppl maybe
modest condor
the nerfes were needed
dense elbow
For raid?
modest condor
yes
modest condor
people who want to clear it on mythic
modest condor
you brought multiple fury warriors to queen just to burst the adds
dense elbow
You say that as if that is a bad thing
dense elbow
Then you would likely agree, it wasnt an issue
olive cobalt
i say that to prove my point
As in even after nerfs fury wars were still good for that ?
modest condor
if you bring multiple fury wariors just to kill the adds on the final boss in the raid after its burst got nerfed multiple times
i think there was an issue
dense elbow
Fury got nerfed, adds still died, noone complained about the new guys doing it - cause the adds was no longer on logs
shrug
Noone is ever going to convince me that Fury burst being gone is a 'good thing overall', because of an issue in the raid
modest condor
well good thing nobody is saying that
dense elbow
Neat, then you agree that BS should get buffed, as in raw dam and not through more hurricane Jr effects or similar
I am content
smoky vale
Df s2 fury my goat
???
spare steppe
S3 fury was so much fun
dense elbow
... what expansion?
heavy galleon
S3 fury was so much fun
yes
So as slayer fury MT, prio is Rampage > BT > Rend > RB ?
spare steppe
... what expansion?
Yes
vague stump
... what expansion?
The spinny spinny one were the class was actually bad but tier set done very good dmg. 🤣
dense elbow
hollow quiver
is it worth crafting a weapon with embellish even if our two Bis are in raids? Since one is the last boss of the 3rd raid I won't have it in mythic before a long time if I even get it
plush raven
So as slayer fury MT, prio is Rampage > BT > Rend > RB ?
We are supposed to hit rend?
hollow quiver
why take it if not
viscid oxide
the fuck, they couldnt even be bothered to change rampage tooltip after apex talents?
random shadow
Yes
viscid oxide
never mind, i am an absolute fucking moron
can i ask please, is execute still used in mountain thane?
slim coral
can i ask please, is execute still used in mountain thane?
the last updtaed rotation I have is OF,
Rampage (high rage/enrage),
Blast during Ava,
BT,
TClap during Ava/multitarget,
filler Ramp,
filler Blast,
CB/RB,
Wrecking Throw,
TClap filler
slim coral
Pretty sure it’s above RB/CB
it's not from what I know
slender glen
I did some M0s as Thane and didn't care for it. Would I be holding my group back if I just ran Slayer when M+ opens?
slim coral
not really
young swan
I did some M0s as Thane and didn't care for it. Would I be holding my group back...
nah they're pretty close
slender glen
Alright good lol.
young swan
they get further apart if you dont press rend as slayer tho
hollow leaf
no weppis
one of my warrs is 235 and I'm held back by 2 201 pieces
and I just have ot wait for world quests
slender glen
they get further apart if you dont press rend as slayer tho
Ah, alright noted.
spare steppe
it's not from what I know
I’m just going based on Wowhead
rare garnet
and I just have ot wait for world quests
Time to target farm some rares
slim coral
the apl is still a wip from what I know cause TC is all over the place in complexity
spare steppe
Maybe MT ST isnt updated on Wowhead but yeah I’ve been doing vibe rotations until I’m told otherwise
hollow leaf
the apl is still a wip from what I know cause TC is all over the place in comple...
archi finished thane's aoe apl this morning
still seems to be a little wonky
viscid oxide
@slim coral thankyou, thats perfect ima hit my fury then
tall dome
anyone know if the Loa worshipper ring is worth ? i know its not the ideal stats but wasnt sure if the procs make it worth as a pre raid crafted
coarse nest
I would not craft anything pre raid personally
If you do it’d be vet crests onto bis embellish slot for early power
tall dome
got it.
slim coral
anyone know if the Loa worshipper ring is worth ? i know its not the ideal stats...
does that cost a spark?
tall dome
yes 2
hollow leaf
Crafting a "pre-raid" item would give basically no benefit and be replaced pretty soon, crafting a weapon (or whatever else sims highest) is going to give a much higher benefit and probably not be replaced
I don't think we've had pre-raid lists for a long time, just get whatever gear you can get from dungeons and such
coarse nest
Very likely to utilize crafted 2h for many weeks
Plus makes the second one free to upgrade
Solid investment for early power
rare garnet
Hell it’s possible you use crafted for the season depending on vault raid comp and drops. And the early dps gains are very nice.
hollow leaf
yeah weapons are often a good choice, crafts will generally depend on if you're aiming for short-term or long-term gearing
crafting choices are often either double checked by an officer if you're raiding
if you're not then you're probably safe just sending wep
bitter palm
ye depends on a lot of things but i think most raiders will hold craft until vault to see if they get a weap
rare garnet
Had a guy 9 weeks into the tier refusing to craft a weapon cause any week now his plan would pay off. Nah.
hollow leaf
xdd
bitter palm
ig fury can offhand it and arms is NOT gonna be played
hollow leaf
yeah we've got 6/8 dungeons this tier that give a weapon
so it's not like it's bad chances
rare garnet
ig fury can offhand it and arms is NOT gonna be played
If they don’t give me the loot I want I’m going arms.
Be warned council
Plus the 2h weapons are kinda late bosses yeah?
livid arch
If they don’t give me the loot I want I’m going arms.
BIG brain threat
livid arch
huh?
rare garnet
Reset is tomorrow thankfully
livid arch
reset IS tomorrow
wild glade
no its not 🙁
rare garnet
EU L
livid arch
ooooooof
vague stump
big L that we have to wait an extra day for content to do again 🙁 Sadge
dense elbow
wait one day for the 2 hours of content, means that the content lasted for one day longer, in a kinda way
vague stump
we should hopefully have preys to do again aswell maybe hopefully LOL
I feel like I need to make 12 chars just so I have something to do every evening currenly TFT is seeing more action than wow
peak drift
hey @edgy widget small question. i just checked the opener and it lists bladestorm, but in the same guide you dont have bladestorm talented. am i missing something?
smoky vale
are you checking aoe vs st
hard seal
Check the tabs, depending on the talent tree you select for opener and MT vs ST
edgy widget
where in the guide? All builds use Bladestorm now
peak drift
peak drift
where in the guide? All builds use Bladestorm now
hu okay my bad then i havent checked the latest build
i wish there was an option so subscribe to wowhead guide updates or something 
gusty cloak
oh snap, were doing bladestorm again?
peak drift
subbing to archs only rage for most up to date builds 
edgy widget
oh snap, were doing bladestorm again?
Bladestorm was added back after they buffed it during the prepatch, yes
so all the current Slayer builds in the guides should have it, if you see anything that doesn't that would be in error
edgy widget
i wish there was an option so subscribe to wowhead guide updates or something <:...
right here boo 😘
#updates-midnight message
livid arch
assuming all the sims are uptodate. my 20 ilvl lower arcane mage is simming higher than my fury warrior T_T
keen kindle
assuming all the sims are uptodate. my 20 ilvl lower arcane mage is simming high...
Youre a mage thou
livid arch
its just sad that i put way less efort into this character and its just better lol
gusty cloak
do we macro reck/bladestorm? is that a thing?
sullen dove
not really
won’t always be on the same cd and you probably want to do a few other things during reck before bladestorm
peak drift
so all the current Slayer builds in the guides should have it, if you see anythi...
so to circle back to my question. i guess for mountain thane its not supposed to show the whirlwind?
or is the opener written with only slayer in mind?
is it better again than MT? 🤔
vague stump
assuming all the sims are uptodate. my 20 ilvl lower arcane mage is simming high...
no the APL on raidbots isnt correct
peak drift
seems for raid it is. makes sense that the opener is written with slayer in mind then
edgy widget
so to circle back to my question. i guess for mountain thane its not supposed to...
I didn't see any question about that, but Thane doesn't normally use Whirlwind
hollow leaf
so to circle back to my question. i guess for mountain thane its not supposed to...
for mountain thane thunder clap replaces the purpose of whirlwind to give you whirlwind stacks
the only time you'd cast whirlwind is as a filler with nothing else to press
edgy widget
in practice that should p much never happen though, so I would recommend just replacing your WW bind with Clap entirely
hollow leaf
yep
edgy widget
APL includes WW as a failsafe more than anything else; including the action makes it easy to see gaps in the rotation when troubleshooting, so that we can figure out why its being cast and tighten up the rest of the rota
but as an actual player, where you might find the opportunity to use it once out of every hundred pulls or something, it's just not worth keeping the keybind
winter shoal
It's a grey area. Addons can run in combat, but a lot of values are "secret" in combat and/or in an instance. The whirlwind tracker uses things like cast success events, but because it can't view your actual buffs (those are secret), it can be inaccurate sometimes
Why the fuck did discord just send me back 2 weeks
I'm sorry for pinging you later
I did not realize
I thought your message was just now
hollow minnow
With the Apex talent increasing STR, will this raise prio of Rampage? or is it still to avoid capping rage and maintain Enrage? according to the guides it appears to be the latter. just looking for your opinons. 🙂
edgy oasis
Archi. Please enlighten us that warrior is getting some decent buffs. Or that our 4p boosts us so hard we become relevant. Right now. 240ilvl and im miles behind others. (Appreciate it is still early days)
winter shoal
With the Apex talent increasing STR, will this raise prio of Rampage? or is it s...
Generally you're bottlenecked by how fast you can generate rage, not how fast you can spend it. So making sure you get your high prio generators in tends to be more valuable than spending (provided you aren't overcapping)
spare steppe
Why does the API dislike clap in cooldowns?
edgy widget
With the Apex talent increasing STR, will this raise prio of Rampage? or is it s...
yes, and Rampage also deals a considerable amount of damage in Midnight
winter shoal
You don't really gain anything from rampaging one global earlier, but you might lose something if you leave BB available for an extra gloval
hollow leaf
I think tuning or number wise fury is mostly fine, our biggest problem I think is in terms of design. We don't really have a niche or anything that we excel at, we're decent at everything, but there's no reason to bring a warrior for anything in specific since other classes just do that thing but better. We had a niche in Nerub'ar and since then the design philosophy of this spec hasn't really gone any direction at all
unborn delta
what is my purpose
you give unholy 5% attack power
dear god
spare steppe
We have some nice utility with silence, stampede, and a better rally
vague stump
what is my purpose
you give unholy 5% attack power
dear god
oh and a tank that will probably very nearly out damage you
peak drift
I didn't see any question about that, but Thane doesn't normally use Whirlwind
my bad i misswrote. i mean uh bladestorm, brainfart from my side
i do enjoy thane quite a lot and since im not gonna race or sumthing i checked hows thane will be in raid hence the questions
wind token
bladestorm and avatar on on same node so
wind token
mountain thane
peak drift
guess you just pop both reck and avatar together
edgy widget
so i wondered how the opener for thane would look like
if you were to ever play Thane in ST, it'd be basically the same as its multitarget opener
and yeah, Thane doesn't ever use Bladestorm; Avatar is waaaay too ingrained
peak drift
if you were to ever play Thane in ST, it'd be basically the same as its multitar...
gotcha thanks arch
edgy widget
I will be rewriting those sections a bit here soon, I spent the better part of the weekend mega simplifying Fury's rotational priorities
peak drift
have to reconfigure old habits a bit with rb not being so high anymore but thats muscle memory i can attain while lvling besides that fury is hella fun
especially as a dwarf
fading sky
Archi. Please enlighten us that warrior is getting some decent buffs. Or that ou...
U should not be miles behind
gusty cloak
is there a suddendeath proc addon?
peak drift
the big fat glow around execute
or you can track the procc over the ingame buff manager
nocturne bluff
I think Thane AOE is in a good place but Slayer AOE is really bad outside of BS. neither spec excels at ST
wind token
slayer aoe is like within 5% of thane
frozen portal
It's a grey area. Addons can run in combat, but a lot of values are "secret" in ...
Honestly thanks for responding tbh tho
I’m not even max lvl yet I’m just wondering if I need execute and reckles abandon addons
I don’t think I can even choose RA as a tracked thing in blizz ui
winter shoal
Well RA just transforms your abilities so you don't need to do anything extra to track it
wind token
there is no buff it changes bt and rb so itll show that in managaer
winter shoal
And you can track the recklessness buff itself in the in-game cooldown manager
Same with sudden death
frozen portal
Leveling as thane rotation seems simple enouh
With the new talent always rampage then bloodbath/TB then RB I think
I’m sure I’m missing some nuance
winter shoal
BB/TB are generally higher prio than rampage unless you need to fresh enrage or would otherwise rage cap
I think
frozen portal
I’ve seen some insane numbers on bloodbath
So as long as enraged just Bb/TB as usual
frozen portal
Hahaha so stinky
edgy widget
Leveling as thane rotation seems simple enouh
With the new talent always rampa...
Thane leveling is super simple, since you're not really reliant on procs or buff timers at all
frozen portal
But spamming bloodthirst or bath is more fun
Ya it makes me wanna play thane for mythica
Which I assume will be the meta anyways
slim coral
for prog the go to spec has been slayer for a while atleast in raid
gusty cloak
playing slayer feels weird
slim coral
how so?
gusty cloak
im just used to thane and bloodthirsting.. last time i used slayer we had that cha ching addon
brittle crow
im just used to thane and bloodthirsting.. last time i used slayer we had that c...
it's built in now
set cdm to chaching when u get an sd proc
woven valley
im just used to thane and bloodthirsting.. last time i used slayer we had that c...
I mean….you still do that on slayer? Bt and execute are your primary reap proccers
sullen tendon
I hope scrolling combat text comes back
tranquil parcel
This might have been asked quite some times already, but what are the multitarget % difference for slayer and mountain thane?
spare steppe
Any have raid frames they particularly like?
fervent turtle
does enrage change any of the priority list?
TIL BT is higher prio, I never pressed that button on slayer
brittle crow
does enrage change any of the priority list?
more like not being enraged changes it
echo rapids
This might have been asked quite some times already, but what are the multitarge...
I think generally they are fairly close
brittle crow
the prio list is built around being enraged
if ur not enraged, highest prio is getting enraged
fervent turtle
sorry, I meant berserk stacks
echo rapids
What do you mean
tranquil parcel
I think generally they are fairly close
Yes that's what I was thinking too, just unsure if we are talking 0,5% or like 2-4% difference 😅
echo rapids
Yes that's what I was thinking too, just unsure if we are talking 0,5% or like 2...
I think the last sim I saw was slayer 5% ahead in ST and thane 5% ahead in aoe
fervent turtle
What do you mean
like spamming the shit out of rampage in opener to get more stacks
echo rapids
but thats gonna vary by pack size, duration, prio target needs etc
tranquil parcel
I think the last sim I saw was slayer 5% ahead in ST and thane 5% ahead in aoe
Good to know, ty for the answer 😉
echo rapids
Also probably change if we get any kind of tuning next week or two
echo rapids
like spamming the shit out of rampage in opener to get more stacks
I don't think anything really changes, enrage hits harder during reck but so does bloodthirst
Slayer has more priority for rampage in general though
IIRC ramp moves up a little in priority during reck for slayer
olive wraith
Berserk doesn’t change rotation afaik
You mainly press ramp for rage spend or enrage
fervent turtle
I don't think anything really changes, enrage hits harder during reck but so doe...
my naive assumption was trying to maximize the strength buff early in the opener to get big bladestorm
olive wraith
Nah bs is wimpy
echo rapids
Berserk doesn’t change rotation afaik
wowhead guide shows ramp moving ahead of execute during reck
echo rapids
my naive assumption was trying to maximize the strength buff early in the opene...
Bladestorm is more of an enabler although it does do ok damage
We bladestorm early in the opener
fervent turtle
Yeah, I see that now i was just wondering if anyone had done the giga brain math on it
I will check out the APL
echo rapids
We want to bladestorm early to get it out of the way and then rip a bunch of hasted, buffed rampages and bloodthrists after during reck
olive wraith
We want to bladestorm early to get it out of the way and then rip a bunch of has...
In addition to the unhinged bt doing work
echo rapids
In addition to the unhinged bt doing work
For sure
feral ivy
anyone got dc?
proud vessel
is the singularity world event bugged? I completed it but did not get a chest?
native wadi
i just realized how much warrior sucks
why does warlock have 4 huge defensives and does twice as much dps
with half effort XD
dense elbow
i was doing m0 with warlock alt
feral ivy
im stuck on this screen
native wadi
note i said alt
we stay warrioring
but it just makes me realize what a piece of shit we are
feral ivy
we stay warrioring
does your warrior have full pvp gear??
dense elbow
Sounds like excuses a traitor would spout
native wadi
does your warrior have full pvp gear??
?
dense elbow
Another solid piece of evidence of your crime
feral ivy
u are only alowed to have alt if u have done full m0 and full pvp gear
toxic jewel
this is fun, i just randomly got booted
feral ivy
yea i did as well and my whole group did
dense elbow
All Warriors booted from the servers. Even the nerfs didnt get rid of us, so now they do it by force.
echo rapids
why does warlock have 4 huge defensives and does twice as much dps
Defensive are one area we do not suck
feral ivy
as soon i have a urge to play a alt lol... guess this is the world telling me to do some house work
toxic jewel
i thought maintenance was tomorrow 🤔
toxic jewel
livid vessel
is the singularity world event bugged? I completed it but did not get a chest?
it's buggy for me too
undone flower
it's buggy on EU too
feral ivy
Yesssss EU suffer for once at the same time as the NA
dense elbow
Yesssss EU suffer for once at the same time as the NA
NA devs paniced, EU was eating the lead given, and had to be counteracted asap!
astral path
i am back
atomic jungle
Defensive are one area we do not suck
what do we drop to pick up Enraged Regen?
sullen dove
massacre probably
atomic jungle
prey hardmode homie always pops up when I chad pull 3000 things
olive wraith
what do we drop to pick up Enraged Regen?
Don’t
echo rapids
what do we drop to pick up Enraged Regen?
https://tenor.com/view/that's-the-neat-thing-that's-the-neat-part-invincible-gif-3109787441708074597
keen kindle
disc number 2 dps eh
Gotta hit 90
sullen dove
what
keen kindle
what
Sorry i thought it was level scaling memes
Had a mistweaver demolish the group when I was leveling rogue
floral frigate
does void dh benefit from battleshout?
echo rapids
does void dh benefit from battleshout?
It’s a spell power spec so I don’t think so
Yeah all its attacks even the melee ones do % spell power
limpid elbow
hi
when do i use whirlwind?
i can just use thunderclap to get the improved whirlwind aoe effect
floral frigate
if your thane you do not use whirlwind
spiral ether
and if youre slayer then (a aoe at least) you use your talrnts to improve WW and leave thunderclap untouched
Theres more to it but thats the quickest answer version
smoky vale
yes
edgy widget
okm everyone quit shitposting and go read #updates-midnight
silver shell
is the new rotation breakdown on the guide indicating that we should only use bladestorm during reck? Or just that its high prio during reck
undone flower
the tale of bt and bb during reck is over
dense elbow
No... I enjoyed that discussion
echo rapids
the tale of bt and bb during reck is over <:deadge:900279927138578432>
Here for a good time, not a long time
dense elbow
waxen vale
so sudden death chargemaxing and scent of blood tracking are largely useless now yeah?
are they still a gain over this simplified rotation or nah?
echo rapids
so sudden death chargemaxing and scent of blood tracking are largely useless now...
SD has been hit on proc for a bit now
waxen vale
not as of literally yesterday
silver shell
its been that way since pre-patch
edgy widget
so sudden death chargemaxing and scent of blood tracking are largely useless now...
tbf Scent of Blood tracking was always useless
edgy widget
no it was always useless
edgy widget
it was in the apl but it didn't have any real value, since you practically always have scent up regardless
waxen vale
correct. sorry I was arguing with the 2 above about SD. already talked about scent when that was actually posted and had the same conclusion
in practice it just exists correctly
edgy widget
yeah I got you, just clarifying - it was in the working APL, but it was really just there to check how much value there was in micromanaging the buff, not because it was actually worth anything
that's why the working APL was like 45 lines long, because it was checking a whole bunch of different conditions that weren't all actually practical or important (like having 8 different Rampage rage conditions)
wild glade
Found this, hot fix seems to have definitely made it do more damage
waxen vale
are those previous rampage/sd stack optimizations still a gain
answered as I was typing lol
olive wraith
Seems. Balanced
edgy widget
it's good for troubleshooting and testing new lines against one another, but not for actually reading and following as a guide, because a layperson doesn't have any way of knowing which lines are important and which aren't
which is also why the sim actually gained a (very) small amount of DPS in the simplification 
echo rapids
I honestly don’t ever remember seeing the sdx2 - ramp - sdx1 prio in there
waxen vale
because it was giga early and likely to change. wasnt discussed a lot
edgy widget
as for Sudden Death, it's still worth watching in multitarget for obvious reasons, but in single target the difference between watching for SD or just pressing Execute is like 1 line higher in priority for about 90 dps - just not worth the cognative load
waxen vale
which is also why the sim actually gained a (very) small amount of DPS in the si...
\o/ simple AND better? we take those
edgy widget
yeah basically
echo rapids
Just at first glance seems like a super tiny distinction that will have negligible impact
edgy widget
well that's the practical effort of min/max vs simplification, right?
echo rapids
For sure
waxen vale
usually things optimized on that scale are far more likely to cause less dps to human error
echo rapids
Good to see the numbers clarify it
waxen vale
was mainly curious cuz I put a ton of effort in a hacky use of current limitations for a shiny 2 stack sd tracker lmao
edgy widget
there are certainly concessions; I could increase the number of lines by 20% to inflate sim performance by another 0.5%, but the practical impact is a lot more for a player to try to keep up with (and therefore a lot more potential mistakes to make) which washes out the gain
at the same time, we could go complete one-button mode and just do Rampage > Execute > BT > RB > WW, but we'd lose a lot of damage have a boring rotation that lacks any semblence of skill expression
echo rapids
This feels like the appropriate level of effort -> reward
waxen vale
this is my class fantasy
echo rapids
I was actually trying out just rampage whenever you are able and it feels appropriately bad
which feels like a good feedback loop
undone flower
im not used to that
brittle mauve
does fury do any proc tracking at this point? or just go off the prio list on the guide? (context being m+)
young swan
thane doesnt really
brittle mauve
yeah I am playing thane
brittle mauve
when you say track SD you mean don't overcap? or is there more to it?
young swan
thane doesnt really care about SD, i mostly track it for slayer
echo rapids
when you say track SD you mean don't overcap? or is there more to it?
I guess both
smoky vale
im not used to that
whats the integral of this function happy
brittle mauve
seems so basic tho (just came back to wow after 1.5 yrs)
young swan
but yeah ideally you dont overcap SD or let it expire
brittle mauve
I mean when I see it glow I send it
smoky vale
surely it results in it being even
undone flower
whats the integral of this function happy
67
edgy widget
does fury do any proc tracking at this point? or just go off the prio list on th...
Thane wants to keep track of Blast charges, and you will use Execute occasionally though it's not a high prio
undone flower
i track SD only to have the sound aura
tepid lily
can we go back to auto attacks being top dps
fair cave
you track sudden death so in those rare ocasions as thane that you cannot press rampage bt or tc you dont have to press raging blow
edgy widget
Slayer will mostly watch SD (there's no explicit "if SD active" line in the single target APL, but that just means there's no distinction between an SD proc or a natural Execute - SD procs still matter, deal more damage, and enable its use >35% though)
brittle mauve
Thane wants to keep track of Blast charges, and you will use Execute occasionall...
ok right, but I mean, in aoe m+ what would I press over a blast charge when its up? say I am enraged...and big CDs are on CD.
edgy widget
there's a guide for that
tepid lily
I'm enjoying slayer rn
edgy widget
in fact it was just updated, so go look at it, and you tell me what should be prioritized!
brittle mauve
wowhead or iv?
tepid lily
and with thane my ST damage sucks, so
brittle mauve
ok sweet
edgy widget
seriously go look and tell me, I wanna know how readable yall think it is
edgy widget
so what's it say?
brittle mauve
blast with two charges as top prio after your big CDs
fair cave
seriously go look and tell me, I wanna know how readable yall think it is
its perfect 👍
edgy widget
blast with two charges as top prio after your big CDs
good boy, @subtle goblet may give you a gold star now
brittle mauve
haha appreciate it
thorny basin
very readable thank you for the update
brittle mauve
^
on that note, re: the guide...I'm trying to justify frenzy regen and stance mastery for high keys (title range). Do you think those will be more or less mandatory in high content Archi?
I read those talents and think they're op, but idk what to give up
edgy widget
they're not too hard to take
edgy widget
you're most likely going to be playing Thane in M+ anyway, so Massacre isn't super high value - easy drop for ER
brittle mauve
ok sweet
edgy widget
idk about the left tree tho
you only have two feasible choices - Crushing or Barbaric, and the latter is worth much, much more in multitarget content
edgy widget
you will lose a little bit of damage for not taking Crushing, but assuming you're making big pulls in a coordinated group, BT doesn't account for that that much of your damage, you might lose 1% or something
if you find yourself using Defensive Stance frequently and still sometimes in fear for survival, then Stance Mastery is definitely warranted
brittle mauve
yeah will have to limit test if I dedice to push
edgy widget
if you find that every time you press Defensive Stance, you're immortal anyway, then you might not need it
brittle mauve
exactly yeah
just that stance mastery is a FAT DR and doesn't have a ppm or cooldown, it just adds value to times when you have to press defensive stance
edgy widget
but say 1% damage is insignificant in the grand scheme of things
most push level M+ comes down to optimizing gameplay more than actual DPS - pull cadence, coordination, and often times even just getting good RNG
brittle mauve
oh for sure
for title keys dying is a larger penalty than sub optimal dps
r1, diff story, it all matters
edgy widget
oh yeah, stance mastery is borderline broken... offset by the fact that people need to actually use defensive stance
brittle mauve
at leat imo..
I'm an aug transplant so just wrapping my head around a totally new play style XD
thanks for the thoughts
smoky vale
oh yeah, stance mastery is borderline broken... offset by the fact that people n...
its also dependent on there being oneshots in the season
bc unless there are my healer will just heal it 
brittle mauve
goood point
or something particular say a warrior taunts and soaks, idk
I think there was something liek that on last boss in halls of infusion
undone flower
smoky vale
brittle mauve
LOL
smoky vale
@clever belfry wakey
feral ivy
idk what it says !!
edgy widget
idk what it says !!
it says Den of Nalorakk (Mythic)
clever belfry
<@173741974493462528> wakey
im awake?
smoky vale
today in math we learned about the tower of hanoi
wary salmon
Coming from mop to midnight im blown away with the stat prio. Haste mastery? What the helli
feral ivy
why would this warrior do this? (hid his name for shame)
wary salmon
Avoided haste like the plague lol. Now its main stat 
edgy widget
today in math we learned about the tower of hanoi
oh hey I've been there
edgy widget
why would this warrior do this? (hid his name for shame)
I mean if you're really certain about what you wanna craft 
regular spark crafts don't cost any crests, so they didn't really waste anything
edgy widget
Coming from mop to midnight im blown away with the stat prio. Haste mastery? Wha...
MoP cared about crit because Enrage and Raging Blow depended on BT crits, while Haste didn't actually do much of anything except increase AA speed back then
Haste started mattering more when they added effects to reduce the GCD in WoD
feral ivy
I mean if you're really certain about what you wanna craft <:dracthyr_shrug:1002...
but they dont get the wep and wouldnt that be a set back on dmg?
edgy widget
that's why I said if they're really certain about what they wanna craft
maybe they intend on only playing Arms and are banking on getting an early weapon idk
feral ivy
mmm
edgy widget
or maybe they just don't know any better
maybe you should invite them to the discord so they won't make that mistake in the future!
smoky vale
its crazy how fast the amount of steps required to complete it scales
sullen dove
me when recursion
smoky vale
me when recursion
refer to my last dm urgently
sullen dove
uh no
wary salmon
MoP cared about crit because Enrage and Raging Blow depended on BT crits, while ...
I really like that actually
Haste being beneficial is kinda cool
hexed arch
Hey guys, kind new to the disc. Is fury good both specs for future m+?
hot shell
Its sitting in the middle between B and A tier most of the time with thane being slightly better
Arms currently is not good at all, but usually sits a bit below fury
hexed arch
I’ve been playing mountain thane, but haven’t tried slayer
hot shell
Slayer has higher burst and ST damage while thane has better sustained aoe. Hence you prefer thane in m+ usually, both speccs are playable and not far off each other
hexed arch
Thanks a lot man! That helps 🤟🏻🤟🏻
feral ivy
thane for pvp as well
windspire last boss will 100% kill me alot.. i charge every second i can
dapper goblet
@sullen dove
limpid elbow
can i put avatar and recklessness on the same key
macro
it has the same cd
as far as i know
sullen dove
yea should be fine
hexed arch
Yes you can!
sullen dove
Idk if u still want to do the put reck first thing
you might since torment don’t exist right
Get extra rage gen from avatar press?
sullen dove
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limpid elbow
Get extra rage gen from avatar press?
from recklessness press right?
sullen dove
yea idk if this still happens but think just in case when u make the macro put reck as first line then av
the other way around should almost certainly do nothing anyway
limpid elbow
why is it important to have reck first
sullen dove
It might double the rage generated from pressing avatar
or 50% more ig now
assuming avatar still gives rage on press
but both are off gcd so they’re instant anyway just might be like a millisecond difference to get idk 5-10 more rage or something might as well
limpid elbow
It might double the rage generated from pressing avatar
it doesnt show me that avatar gives rage
sullen dove
Eh guess it doesn’t matter then
undone flower
Member when charge and 79 rage
oblique bronze
New warrior, playing thane, is there any reason I shouldn’t macro avatar and reck together?
Oh answered 2 seconds ago nvm
hexed arch
Oh answered 2 seconds ago nvm
👍🏻
summer quail
New warrior, playing thane, is there any reason I shouldn’t macro avatar and rec...
the only scenario would be if we ran snap induction but we don't so that's whatever
oblique sand
does furys fast pace typically mean it has a high skill ceiling ?
limpid elbow
is it fast paced?
im new but i dont think you have to do anything other then keeping engaged on
feral ivy
NOOO my alt is getting close to beating my warrior in ilvl
sullen dove
does furys fast pace typically mean it has a high skill ceiling ?
maybe a little higher apm than other specs with inherent 15% haste granted to itself all the time but not by that much
and it shouldn’t affect skill ceiling too too much since there are so few buttons to hit in the priority for slayer at least
simple enough
rare garnet
NOOO my alt is getting close to beating my warrior in ilvl
It’s level 88 already!! ??
sullen dove
ofc best players ever gonna look insane but like so long as you don’t waste rage and get average luck on procs should be fine
not much to mess up
feral ivy
blindvale the dino boss is strong if u dont have pallys
edgy widget
Idk if u still want to do the put reck first thing
that doesn't matter anymore
Avatar no longer generates rage, and you don't need to pre-pull with Reck anymore regardless
vague sail
what valeera setup are people rocking for devles atm?
hot shell
blindvale the dino boss is strong if u dont have pallys
Stack, aoe roots, problem solved
fickle dirge
Archi I have something I want for the guide, I would love it if you could implement this. In the Rotation Guide at the Opener page can you do a Single Target Mountain Thane page too alongside the current Single Target one, since it should be usefull in dungeon bosses.
edgy widget
It's something I've been thinking about and may include for the S1 update
- the rub is when people see "single target" there's no real explanation as to whether that's single target boss, single target build, both, or neither
which is not exactly an insurmountable problem, just something that will take some contemplation as to how best to present the idea
spare steppe
So just to check, during CDs we aren’t doing tb->bb->tb->ramp to get bb on cd, it’s using ramp to get below rage cap?
fickle dirge
It's something I've been thinking about and may include for the S1 update
- the ...
Oh ok then nice 👍
brittle crow
are there opportunities to use belf racial in the current dungeon pool?
my alt is a belf and i feel obligated to use it
but i never paid attention to it
undone flower
So just to check, during CDs we aren’t doing tb->bb->tb->ramp to get bb on cd, i...
It depends on the target counts but mostly yes you do that, in AoE ofc
rampage at X rage being prio over BB tho
This prio produce the clap every other gcd gameplay
If you sim at 5 target patchwerk I guess it will not
So might sim at 6 I guess
modest condor
(more than 6 targets means 7)
undone flower
Yeah my brain read over or equal
fiery edge
guys, just clap 
undone flower
In raid I don’t think it will be common, idk if they are lot of adds (if it happens to be thane raid)
fiery edge
satisfying sfx so i press
undone flower
you don't even lose that much prio dmg by doing the clap line
if i did the thing correctly
echo rapids
I still cant believe I wrecking throw AND rend before raging blow - how the mighty have fallen
sullen dove
is there like actual power behind clearing all 8 abundances a week
or just profession/cosmetic shit
cuz i dont wanna be grindin that forever
brittle crow
(more than 6 targets means 7)
six sevennn
dapper goblet
is there like actual power behind clearing all 8 abundances a week
champion piece 3/6
sullen dove
champion piece 3/6
lying for fun are we
dapper goblet
i dont lie
limpid elbow
is piercing howl good for anything in pve?
hot shell
Movement speed for those "oh god idk if i can make it" moments
brittle crow
is warlock soulstone just a brez that can be used preemptively?
whats the downside and does it follow the brez timer
sullen dove
brez timer yes only if its used
usually you soulstone healer so they rez after wipe and mass rez
can be in combat brez if needed tho ideally not used as such
unless multiple locks
hot shell
Man, i hate tier lists. Im playing 3 speccs and all of them are mid so far 🤣
summer quail
WE GOT THE WEPPY LETS GO
wait is that weapon rare???
sudden tusk
Its rare drop from the prey boxes
fiery edge
is piercing howl good for anything in pve?
Eating balls, being targeted, aoe, or any mech that forces you to move
summer quail
i got it but idk where from. only done 1 prey
fiery edge
Hard prey gave me the same 2 rings, so ass 
sudden tusk
its just cool so i was happy to get it
summer quail
it is cool af, made my tmog around it
sudden tusk
im gonna do the same
fiery edge
Red set looks so good on orc, regret making human
hot shell
Buy tokens, buy faction trans. Embrace the red side
mossy pelican
ok
i've scoured the search bar with a combo of odyns,fury,of,cds,cooldowns,ava,rec and bear no fruit
so why of before cds
mossy valley
mornin quick question: why do we use odyn fury before reck/ava in opener why not after?
mossy pelican
yea what he said
mossy pelican
oh yea gotta get that enrage for the reck/ava damage
silk wharf
Wait, no (deleted my mistake lol)
that doesn't make sense either
nvm
Idk, maybe it's a mistake
mossy pelican
apl still has odyns lower, if i move odyns to the top i go from 40.6 to 40.1
sudden tusk
it is cool af, made my tmog around it
how did you mog this shit becuase it feels like it doesnt fit
is what i was thinking but idk if its enough red
if it was full black maybe, but how silver the item is throwin me off