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are people bothering to craft 2h yet?
Loads of guilds if u look at discords + rio
No content that reqs it
Ill do it if i dont get weapas
Next week
well yeh i was thinking that, but then I also thought we're gonna upgrade it again anyway with recraffts
but fair
ah
So its sparkless. Doesnt go above vet i think?
ok mb didnt see that change haha
But u will get 4th on opening eeek
So kindda ideal tbh
U get mythic weap basicly week 1 of raiding
If u can get the cresties
cheers brother, same as before its just sparks are now whole but we need 4 not 2, gg
Y
Even next week, I donāt think you will get 80 myth crests easily
It is wasting 80 heroic crest tho, I donāt think Iāll craft at all
And do 24th
im with you there brother, I was running crafted wep to 3.7k io before i finally got the vault upgrade
Yeah itās more about the heroic crest, the first vault will not be mythic, unless raid row
Im dumb myth raid comes out the 24th
3.7k? whats considered good score nowadays?
i remember 3k being very good in legion bfa
5k in bfa*
Id say 3700 is good if u only pug
They were 10 dungeons
isnt 5k like top 1000 or something
Idk I did 4800 or 4900 and didnāt consider myself very good
- alliance negative aura before faction delete
in bfa season 4 there were 4 fury warriors with 5k
It's not about how you consider yourself tho.
Gaming is the only field where being top 1% in the world is considered average
4800 in bfa season 4 makes you top 8 fury worldwide
It is, I donāt consider ppl who are not doing m+ at all

TWW is the first time I played fury
Being 1% is only people who do M+
yeah but if you are top 5-10 fury warriors worldwide, you cant just say thats "very good"
thats 0.01%
probably less
Title doesnāt care about classes
I can reach top 20 in just my country and 300 world wide I think that's pretty good š
Can always be better but it is objectively good
Being 1 % score already I doubt about certainty of good
Sorry, I didn't get that
If I pick a random dude having 1% score, Iām not even certain he will be good
We are talking about a subjective topic
I donāt consider ppl not doing at least all 10s for this
If you standard is the top 0.1, no one is good
If you consider everyone trying
Then it's quite different
so 3k score in bfa season 4 was top 580 for fury warriors
so i think that is correct xd
i think top 1000 fury should always be considered a very good fury warrior
Fair
You can see the cutoffs
So for example I ended TWW s3 like 330 or 340 ish fury
And I was 3k7
If that helps
My brain doesnāt process prepatch score, just warning
in tww season 3 3.7k was top 1160
Really?
My mistake then
but jokes aside thats really good
Lol
lol, sure 
Must have messed up the numbers
which talent do we skip in order to get Enraged Regen?
I would drop Massacre in M+
And not take ER in raid at all
ty!
It's old!
i wish they would normalize the score on io
so top is always 1000 and bottom is always 0
And for S3 TWW, whatever 20s score is I guess
Sounds weird
Like 3k9
Something
No?
then you could compare every season/expansion where you stand between 0 and 1000
Yeah it is painful score is unique each season
There is more than 1k players how do you rank ppl timing the same key by seconds
It's definitely not a good system
i dont mean rank 1 to 1k
I understand
But since pushing is theoretically infinite it van not work
It's like an elo system
of course it works
#1 player is always 1000
if #1 player increases his m+ score, every other player gets squished
Wowhead comments
well not losing score, just a 2nd ranking for comparison
could also just calculate it, but its annoying to do for every season
or maybe they could add a "x % away from #1"
Think the system is pretty fine.but then again I am new to WoW, only played TWW
Idk only stinky ppl talks about that in a class channel, so I donāt see it very needed in the game
but its basically just your score / #1 score, if you are #1 its 1.0, if you have half of it its 0.5
Very few people care about that
yeah of course, personally it would just be convenient to scroll through all the seasons and see in which percentile i placed
it totally makes sense to leave it as it is
In role, class and spec
people who dont know math would end up crying
shit game why did my score go down grrrrr
Theres a new system for fury?
grrrr why cant i get above 1k grrr
As a generic rule I put purple score as the average m+ player
I normalize the score myself smh
and what do you consider pink?
Thatās the benchmark for good, since it is usually the keys where you start to need to kick all casts, even simple bolts
It is not absolute rule ofc, it helps my brain
my goal is to get 3k and above that i remember m+ being more pain than fun
bombs gave me ptsd
- my own experience, if I do that key lvl the first month or stuff like that
Since usually I just have a random m+ push in an early weekend and thatās my score for the entire season
what warcraftlogs score do you consider average and very good? the 1-100
I donāt care about m+ logs score at all
i mean for raids
80 I see the mood, but 90 I guess, it depends on the boss and which week we are ofc
i remember nyalotha being pain in the ass for melee
Bc like a dude who kills demensius before me whatever log he has he is better than me, he is allowed to die the pull they kill it
hmm
yes purple at +14
where did you find that?
but it was diff vibe, bc very early you had to do the most cringe shit ever like hidding behind a wall or random boss attack explode azeroth
or stacking vers
that sounds very fun
back when you used to have to get i think it was avoidance to roll on your gear xD
i guess but if you have armor stack group it's more about next week since you will trade basically everything else
yeah you don't have the neck and the trinket
Trinket for me was worse than Axethrower Adventurer tho
Even in aoe
Rofl
But yeah
Based on sims at least
i didn't do a sim yet
Well the axe is 13k dmg
Champion trinket is like 200 crit
With pretty much the same proc chance
i will not do a sim yet
Haha
Who tf sims already haha based behaviour
We going mythic raid week 1 with only 1 heroic raid run so probably still will have early pieces
Better have the best starting ones
Also gearing 2 fury
To raid with the best geared one
i will do a gazilion keys before
Same
yeah, be full heroic gear the week that m+ releases
hey ! what is the best trinket for u rn ?
I have drums and axethrower thing
i think a lot of the world trinkets arent implimented in sims, yeah?
Idk if that's best
that's why i will not sim yet
Doesn't cost anything to sim xD
and what gain, so i can do .5% more dmg in the next 8 mm0s
i think next week the renown trinket will be much better
(Yes, am very autistic)
because then you basically double the effectiveness of the voidlust
right now i have intensity and frequency, and next week its duration is +200%, sounds big
Do I have to do a quest for it or is it warband
You have 2 buffs?
I think I have 1
yeah you get 2 per week
Ah
and a 3rd for first time i think
Well Will see later
so by week 3 the skill tree should be completed
No gaming till next friday
i think you get one upgrade for world quest and one for the event
I have done all Voidstorm quests yet
Haven't *
With full tree it sounds pretty good y
I'll have to check how it works
you only get the upper 3 upgrades for all content
i think the lower 3 are exclusive to voidstorm area
for slayer MT exec with SD proc > BT/BB ?
unsure
yeah you're right the trinket changed
mine says only sustenance is missing
i think frequency and intensity is better week 1 because id rather have it frequently and strong than rarely or for a long time and not be able to apply it during downtime
so in thane multitarget i basically only use thunder blast during avatar (clap at 9.)
how come during single target i use thunder clap during avatar? (8.)
is it because i have way less skills because i dont apply iww?
where would you put thunder clap during avatar in the first image?
above rampage or below?
so basically
and filler rampage if over 100 rage, otherwise execute or blast
that sums up the recklessness/avatar window
now i wonder once my buff ran out how to correctly prioritize rotation
but i guess you can sum it up like this:
- always rampage to get enrage
- then always BT
- then for single: Execute > TB > RB > TC ||(don't care about wrecking throw)||
- or for multi: TB/TC > Execute > RB
would you approve this? @undone flower
are you guys crafting 2h weapon right away on 17th/18th?
I will wait and see if I get one in my first mythic vault
Looks like dungeon trinkets are mostly bad
basically from first glance the prio in aoe during avatar would be :
TB/TC > Ramp at X rage > BB > Ramp > whatever
would be a waste of sparks
i wouldn't go that far into guessing the st prio, bc i suspect highly it is more deep than that like TB 2 stacks not being simply a filler
yeaah i replaced first filler with tb now
probably 2nd filler also TB
and after that it becomes a filler
world quest list is busted, anyone using a new addon?
is it? if you upgrade it when m+ releases you get myth weapon early
and you need myth crests to do max craft
yes, you get 4th spark on 18th, you get early power with the weapon without myth crests and on 25th you upgrade it with myth crests
so basically you spend 80 heroic crests to kill heroic bosses and do mm0s to insta replace it the next week
i will not do that personnally
The 259 weapon must be worth crafting
yeah if you didn't loot a weapon this week or the next i guess
and there is only 1 weapon in the raid the 17th (i will still not craft)
and when will you craft, after two vaults if there are no weapons?
either the 24th or the week after
I did loot exactly 3 items in 8 m0 dungeons and it was cloak wrist and some other shit

first vault would be tier>weaapon no ?`
since there are no curios
so why not craft it on the 18th if you are still gonna craft it on 24th and get extra early power with 259 weapon during the heroic week?
likely since the vault would not be myth track
cause you dont need that much gear for heroic
saw a dh get 2 items and a mount in one m0
if i loot the weapon in the raid i wasted 80 crests
you are wasting crests to just spend mythic crests anyways
Im still talking about 259 weapon that requires no crests
it requires 80 champ crests
it doesnt
i had multiple runs where i did not loot a single item idk why that is even possible
Feels like shit
sparks are enough it seems
i got 2 items in my last dungeon with 3 bosses
and 3 other players got 0
yeah you are right
š
man i got 8 items 2 of which were useless
Quick question:
Should I follow Icy veins or wowheads guide, or are they the same for Fury?
They are both from the same author
Yeah, so I assumed it's more of which site I prefer to use?
@strange vortex idk then if i would craft or not myself, but you are right
I recommend wowhead its the main hub for all the news. All the class writers post their and its most of the time the first spot where guides get updated
You put the crafted in your off hand. This is fury channel right?
It is furry channel yes
+it saves crests for upgrading
Having a crafted letās you upgrade your second 2 hander at a discount
The mythic raid 2h is also gonna be hard to get. From the last boss of raid 3 and the 5th boss off voidspire
They really love doing that donāt they
member when we got weapons early in the raid
Guys, whats the macro to set a raid marker? I got the set focus mouseover to work but cant get the icon to work
it's /tm then choose one of the raid marker numbers
are we supposed to be overflowing with rage during reck?
feels impossible to spend rage and stay on top of bloodthirst/thunder blast
Ty, but i would like it to work with mouseover. Now it only appears on target
/clearfocus
/focus [@mouseover,exists][]
/tm [@mouseover,exists][] 6
this does both
remove the extra brackets if you just want mouseover
Awesome ššš»
Ty!
What class talent is best to drop to grab stance mastery for the mt m+ build? So strapped for points
yes
wasn't amirdrassil 1st boss bis offhand
i dont look at bis lists
so i wouldnt be able to tell you
what i do remember is that that weapon never dropped for us
i got it like week 1
cooked
the legendary took forever tho
think i hit hard pity on it
i got it the week before hard pity
worst tier ever
no windfury, no legendary
capped out at blue parses on farm
i remember one time i was 30k behind rank 1 parse while also simming 30k less than them
missing 15k from legendary, 10k from windfury
what can you do
can you guess when i got my legendary and someone swapped over to shaman? http://puu.sh/KJFOA/b4aaefff25.png
is the new race bis?
the difference is inconsequential really play what looks good to you
also the axe farm was miserable
12+ weeks for me
wait i didnt even have my legendary yet in that screenshot lol, can you imagine if i did have it
teto
huge. but you were denied. yeah that season was kind of a struggle in retrospect
does the cdm just suck with whirlwind stacks
The real game mode
teto..
Hey so are we able to set loot spec to Fury now without worrying 1h weapons drop?
yes
sweet
either eat the delay from the buff or get something like Iimproved whirlwind tracker thats not quite always accurate
the modern world is wonderful
it's specifically rampage
it doesn't tick down until the last hit of ramp
which is well into the gcd
just internalize that if u have 1 ww stack and press ramp then u press clap/ww
anyone playing slayer here? how do you guys feels in m0 rn?
feels like switching to thane
hey any suggest about race for fury
pandaren good with stat food, mechagnome, earthen right now if you're not eating anything, void elf, whatever you think looks neat
Slayer is really strong in my opinion. MM0 isnāt really a reliable way to judge it though. Itās much less bursty than Thane, but you make up for it with constant pressure on packs. Aside from Rend that you have to apply manually, if you manage your CDs well thereās no reason you should fall behind in keys
fidget spinner
is the renown trinket bad? i feel like half the trinkets perform better at 237 when i sim
or does it not include the voidstorm upgrades?
prob wrong pllace to ask but what should i max first on mining
The one that lets you mine while mounted
do we care about bloodthirst more than raging blow now?
Depends on your talents, if you are playing thane with bloodthirst talents, you absolutely are looking to press Bloodthirst when ever you can
im just referring to here mostly
st slayer, bloodthrist way higher on prio now than rb
looks like u wanna use bt and execute before going to rb's, vs just rb forever in tww lol
Yeah, mounted then plentiful or whatever it's called, the left overall skill one
Is there a cap for how much haste we want? Or just get all the haste atm?
yeah RB took a dive without the S3 tier set, plus nerfs on top of that

Are we rending multiple targets for packs that survive long?
Thunderclap does it
For slayer I mean
Lmao
For slayer think of this if your poping reck donāt rend if your not in reck then rend as slayer.
Yeah I think manual rend is the reason i couldn't play slayer even if it was far ahead
Sounds like my personal hell
When you look at sims rotation they never rend in reck always after first BT after reck ends
As slayer
Alright good to know
So just making sure. We making sure every mob has rend up in aoe packs after our big cd windows
Itās like soon as reck is about to end you usually either get that last Bloodbath in and you donāt have enough rage to go into rampage and you rend after or you do have enough and you bloodbath rampage rend
Whatās the prior now?
Also what add ons are you guys using to track some of this stuff
Default cd manager is great and im using that, some like better cd manager as an addon
I know we used to track when to execute and use bloodthirst anything for those
You thinking like hekili or rotation helpers?
no, those kinds of addons are dead
best you can do is what the CDM already allows, in-build tracking of basic procs like Sudden Death
on the other hand, you don't really need that kind of hyper specific tracking anymore, the things in the rotation which caused us to do that have been largely abolished
Hello, do we know the value of our tier set ?
~3.5% iirc
I feel so weak at the moment
What are the best talents to use currently? Are the WoWhead builds good? This would be for AOE and ST
wowhead is good yeah
we have no stats and no tuning
its to be expected
Thanks
So is fury in just an average spot right now
pretty much yeah
Cool, thanks! I was thinking Mountain M+ build for now
yeah
Damn so what everyone rerolling to lol
not like it matters, theres nothing do to before raid that matters
why would we reroll
tuning on the 17th
Fury is life
Just send it. If you've played warrior for long enough you'll be used to fighting uphill
Yea this is true lol
Whatās our priority now? I saw someone say we hit bloodthirsty more now?
Press BT > press other shit
Interesting why more prio?
does a lot of dam
Thane fucks
it's not Unholy levels of broken, but it's v good and easy to play
LOL safe, excited to try thane again. Was sad when slayer took over last season. Tclap was too fun
well that's all you're gonna do now
bet xD
Whatās our bis trinkets in raid rn
in AoE anyway, keep Clap on cooldown, press Rampage, and press BT; more or less in that order
Rampage is almost the highest priority Fury has so... not really no
Just what ive noticed, meter goes down if I hit rampage over bt
I mean that's kind of a different context - you should not be pressing Rampage every chance you get
but there's a reason Rampage costs 50/80 rage, while you can have up to 130
Fury isn't really a spec that tries to spend rage every GCD, it's a spec that tries to avoid wasting rage due to overcap
I wish rampage was good
Rampage is extremely good lmao
it's like 18-25% of your damage, not to mention all the supplementary benefits (Apex, Enrage)
Yeah i mean that is the only situation im hitting it in. Well to avoid cap or cause nothing else is available
I mean numbers wise I hate how it does like 5k dmg 3 times
Or when im lost in the sauce and I hit it by accident
It feels weak bc the dmg comes out in a series of hits vs a giant bt crit
Rampage should be one of, if not the, most cast ability
you're just using it closer to the cap instead of at the base
this is ST Slayer, so ymmv a bit based on build, but this is what it should typically look like; if you combine Bloodthirst and Bath, they're close to Rampage
if you're talking about multitarget thane, then obviously Clap use is going to be very high - combined with Blast it should be close to tied with Rampage
cape is dead ā¤ļøāš©¹
Yeah im like only playing thane right now
Because of the reduced cooldown during Avatar, Clap/Blast should be similar to Rampage, but they're still going to be your top 2 most used abilities. BT/B doesn't actually get used that much during Avatar since gambling for Blast isn't worth the cooldown delay
@modest condor I think that was you
?
Were you just in WM doing Muckmire?
no
oh shit, someone had the same name lol
and was a woyer
I was like "huh i think I've seen this person in Skyhold"
i have fans
lmao
i mean my name is a reference to lord of the rings
it's rare, but not impossible for someone else to have a similar name
gotcha
every time i see an uhdk they're being followed by no less than 20 nametags
wtf did they get hat causes that
army never spawned that much
you spawn ghouls with scourge strike and more ghouls with putrify
They have a short CD ability that summons ghouls and they summon ghouls with their scrouge strike instead of popping wounds
and then they can spawn all four hoursemen at once
yeah it's insane
My split alt is an UHDK this tier and I'll probably push m+ with it, it's really fun
Also all but one ability I think is fully ranged
Mountain thane new rotation is gonna make me crash out , this shit is more annoying than season 1 tww sub
And i was very good at sub
whats wrong w it
Having to keep track of rage as a fury warrior and when to press rampage and when to not + the random rage refund that changes everything
How much of a dps loss is it to play slayer in m+
Resource overload in reck with a very fluid rotation to do mid dps
I would really enjoy Slayer in M+ rn if there was a way to passively apply Rend
Not like it feels terrible to hit but I want to do all the other buttons 
I wonder what cake plays in m+
damn the execute animation delay thing is still there for NEs
when looking at the guide it's telling me to cast rampage when enrage is not active, should i focus on re-applying or keeping the buff up?
Use rampage if: you do not have enrage, youāre about to cap rage, or pretty much if itās available and bloodthirst is on cd.
You might want to Thunderclap/whirlwind first if you need it to AoE and playing Thane
tyvm š
Does anyone else have the execute damage/sound is delayed animation bug?
It been goin for a few years now
Is there any way to have any form of notification when you have a certain amount of rage? Or is all of that fully broken
opinions on dropping warpaint for enrage regen?
not required
I donāt think there is an api for current rage number
The only non secret ressources from memory are maelstrom and dh souls, if they didnāt add some
So how likely are we to craft two hander
I know theres a very high likelyhood its the best first craft, but still gotta know before i fix my blacksmithing specialty
Booo. Thats annoying. Hate to have to watch it constantly to make sure Iām not capping for ramp.
guys is slayer ok for m0?
yaeh
Wdym you might want isn't TB highest prio if rage under 100 and enraged
Once you get used to the spec you just have it in the corner of your eyes dw
there's a little bit, mostly just delaying the use of Rampage slightly in order to be more efficient
its fine, just very RNG - some packs you'll get streaks of Reap and SD procs and others you'll get practically none
What's it called
what is what called?
oh you mean an API call
no, afaik there is no API call for how much resource you currently have in combat
They were talking about something that notifies you not to overcap the rage
yes I got that
so with the new powerful enrage, does it work just the same as it did before or does Diminishing returns factor in now since its mastery
The vast majority of resources got unsecreted (energy, combo points, rage, even some things like mage buffs).
i think effects that give % of secondary stat arent impacted by diminishing returns like trinkets etc which give an amount of rating.
so its basically the same thing as it was before with new text
Yeah I checked the api list, there is the current power call, idk if it gets a secret valued number or not
they arent
thats why they are highly valueable
does anybody have a working spear @ cursor macro??
all my previous ones are not working at all
thats what i had
and i tried with cast sequence
not working
do get the tooltip to light up you have to use previous name "spear of bastion"
doesn't even register champ spear as spell
can you try the change i did
Is mountain thane thunder clapping the cheeks off of things still the best fury build for mythics?
ye
yeah primary ressources are still secrets unless i missed an obscure UI bluepost
?
#showtooltip
/cast [@cursor] Champion's Spear
/use [@cursor] champion's spear
doesn't recognise it as a spell
the spell id i put is spear
yeah, that what I thought
#showtooltip
/cast [@cursor] Champion's Spear
Works, can confirm
yes i used the macro from tww, still works
Do you also manage to jump to the spear tho, Happy?
im assuming he was typing spear of bastion maybe?
yes
it changed the icon to heroic leap
Yep, it works for both of us then
can you try the one i linked
maybe it's just the /use making it weird
Sure
it doesn't even show a tooltip
lol
doesnt work
gg
#showtooltip
/use [@cursor] Champion's Spear
worked
Peer reviewed macro š
thank god, its sunday now my contribution for the week is done and i can go back to shitposting
and spell ids only works as a conditional?
yeah, probably, but wow weird sometimes
peak macro tho
you took the id by using wowhead url ?
checked infinite spell ids who knows whats wrong with champion spear
but text works
so dont matter
yeah
kinda weird i thought it was just the wrong url since there is like 5 champion spear page but in game it's the same id if i use an addon to see
whats the d stance back to berserker stance macro
#showtooltip
/cast [stance:2]!Defensive Stance;[known:386164]!Battle Stance;[known:386196]!Berserker Stance
ty beast
Is the void storm trinket any good? Like with the zone upgrades
Sims bad, but i wasnt sure if its worth it at all
Would this be what you all were talking about with regard to a rage bar that displays differently if you're about to cap?
Hmm possibly. So what does that do? Chance the color at a certain number?
Yeah, I just tested it and it changes the bar at each threshold.
Interesting. Thats arcUI?
Yep, I was messing with it a lot and got a lot of neat things WeakAuras used to do for me lol
looks neat
Very cool. Iāll look into that!
Really nice set up
I deleted arc ui but I might get it back now
no...
people are finding out about my tech....
arcUI is very broken
nobody use it so i can continue to enjoy it
sim ur guy using the dummy option and compare
I wish that were the silver bullet
Many talent loadouts to test
i'm wondering which is parsing highest rn
feel like icyveins is outdated
Ii mean, fair point, but i'm wondering what numbers some of you are seeing
u just wanna build muscle memory
Build muscle memory just to have to rebuild it on the 17th 
The reason i'm so skeptical about sims is that the dmg makeup is still not reflecting reality... 28% just bloodthirst/bath
what da reap
Ahh so reap is included in bloodthirst/bath dmg
interesting
cuz this is what my ingame breakdown is. It is still a bit odd that rampage is only 10%
on sim
Keep in mind dummy sims don't have any raid buffs active, including battle shout
Oh true. I forgot to add bshout. I was only testing solo
Doesn't affect damage breakdown really, but does affect raw numbers
Also no normal execute.
why is my arcui rage bar blue man š
Depends on how fast you're damaging the dummy
what is wrong with this addon
Threshold issue or something innit
yea, but were talking about sims are we not?
Oh yes the sim stays at 100% hp at all times, in practice the dummy will go below 35% eventually tho
ok i fixed it
I need to learn how to do the "bully the curve api to make thresholds" thing so I can fix my fuck ass cd icons
And AFAIK arcui is the only addon doing that
arcui is lowkey the goat
I couldn't stand arcui not having a baseline that made sense. It needed to be micromanaged for every spec and alt I wanted to play.
No centered buff icons is a nonstarter for me idk
default ui + cdm centered is the goat
I vote for default ui + sensei class bars
Does Arcui come with presets? I don't feel like learning a really complex addon rn
Wowhead is recommending (in ST) TC during avatar having higher prio than rampage, but sims aren't using TC at all during avatar (unless its TB). Is it just the sims not being updated yet?
i thought the hp is distributed equally in the sim time
Not for dummy sims
okok i didn't know
holy man i just learned how long ill have to wait to do m+. basically gonna be doing nothing for multiple weeks waiting for that to come out
Or level alts
IIRC it's based off the simc template so it should be available now, or if not then around the 17th probably
But also bloodmallet is just kinda worse than simming your own character
bloodmallet is good for getting a general idea of what is good. useful website but shouldn't be followed blindly
its nice for trinket compairing
does whirlwind apply rend like thunderclap
no
We wish it would 
at what ilvl do we start swapping gear?
im full mythic from last expac
boots and cloak do we replace at a certain ilvl or do we have a belt like situation here?
Personally i replaced all my stuff once i got gear at around iL 190. For cloak a 240 cloak sims better for me, so im p sure itll be replaced by s1
tysm
is it worth macroing avatar,reck, and odyn's fury together? or is there a downside im not seeing
mmm
avatar and reck yes, odyns no
idk of iot still like before but ava reck when in combat not pre pull without odyn
gotcha, do they not line up consistently?
they do right now but not with tierset
also there will be times where you want to reck/ava but not odyns and vice versa
ooooo that makes sense thank you
actually nvm they dont because of AM
careful of wowhead.. ads are crashing the site and ppls computers
Propaganda
use adblocker never look back
internet unusable without one
Yeah without blocker I probably just uninstall internet.exe
So what do you do when you need to use a personal def in a mythic dungeon if we are not taking enraged regen. Stance swap?
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Yup
Nice, nice
Is that champion trink actually any good? On my mage and hunter, it sims terrible compared to even adventurer trinket maxed out, but i dont know if its just impelemented wrong
so haranir just came out so they prob wont do race change discounts any time soon huh
i want one
i have no idea im just wearing it
U look very pretty with it
thank u
Meanwhile thereās unh simming at 75k š
my friends demo lock is 6 ilvl lower and sims literally 50% higher
shit makes no sense
Warlock 2-spec class incoming
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jN73L78fzHSodH2VhiaGUP yeah DK sim is crazy work
Is it just another week of m0 on reset?
Honest question. why was Rend never bound to Whirlwind for us? it would make Slayer feel much better that way, and it's not like that would be an issue, because Mountain Thane already has the same thing with Thunderclap.
It would help in aoe for sure but single target it wouldnāt as we rarely Ever use WW in single target as slyer
true, but i doubt you would use Mountain Thane in St to begin with outside of m+
I only play slayer in mythic plus
I donāt play thane
i was more saying that your statement kinda goes without saying. i have a habbit of being indiret sometimes.
Oh got ya
I mean counter point
Fury is basically the only warrior spec that uses WW rotationally usually
I think arms uses it in very fringe cases in raid cleave situations? And even then it's not a huge gain to my understanding
and prot just has better buttons
rend is already aoe, and ww just makes your ST abilities cleave with the talent
in ST we just use WW for filler
so almost never
I meant to apply the bleed via Whirlwind. Also, yeah. Like I said earlier the ST thing kinda just goes without saying
bc thunderclap applies it regardless of hero tree, but MT relies on it
it's just not needed in slayer
I havent pressed rend a single time since Ive had it
you should, unfortunately
Nah Im good.
play thane and you will never have to
it's a dps increase so we use it now, not my favorite either
you do you
wa
I appreciate you, and I should have stated this in a different way from the beginning., Rend feels awkward to me in Slayer Multitarget. Having a button like Whirlwind apply the bleed or something else, like giving Thunderclap access to whirlwind stacks baseline, could help the feel. No, Iām not really gonna be picky as to which one should happen.
I just wanted to express the awkwardness of the button in that scenario.
It's definitely awkward for rend to be a button for fury
Now if it was an off gcd then sure. But It doesn't belong.
My sims showed it was only 1% of my DPS, so it feels negligible for now. I feel itās comfortably possible for someone to complete an M+ 10 without using it and not throwing too hard.
Thats what Im gonna do.
That button has no place on my bars.
Ill clear raid without it too.
My current ST sim shows it at 1.8% so yeah, but still dmg
to put it in perspective raging blow is 2.7%
(not crushing blow)
Thats not a perspective at all. u have to ask how much damage u could do in those globals u use for rend instead of pressing rend
Itās been established that it is objectively correct to push rend. However, for those who are a bit more causal and donāt like the feel, I see it as ignorable in multitarget situations, because the loss is very little.
in MT it's less neglible
multitarget * I realize MT here might sound like thane
you def want to send it in keys
if slayer
its about 0.6% or so, definitely ignorable
actually with the updates I made today, multitarget is also only about ~0.6% 
though it does grow in value with larger pulls, so if you're making really huge pulls, it starts becoming more worth
S1 is OF cdr, so we at least got the one season be for that hits.
if they made rend not feel like a wet noodle to press I would find it less annoying
If I remember it doesn't even generate rage right?
I seriously haven't even looked at it in the tree.
I literally joined to ask if my eyes were telling me the truth that we have to pay double sparks for weapons
Cause you don't need to combine them anymore
its not double, we get whole instead of fractured
Cause no valorstones
^
It's effectively the same
its easier overall
now again for my noob returning player ass
we got fractured sparks before
they cost 250 valorstones to combine
needed 4 fractured for 2 sparks for a 2h
You get your crafted stuff at the same time as before it just looks more
now we just get whole sparks with no combine cost
so 4 sparks
same timeline for acquiring them
So, is the general consensus, 1 crafted/1 loot drop
Are bis lists out yet ?
Wow head has one but idk how reliable they are
Very
since it's probably archi who did it
Says BiS is 2 raid drops
I would wait till heroic week if it gets updated I think embellishments got buffed last minute
Thanks for your help guys!
Always happy to share the communal brain cell. Just donāt go losing it.
Yo, with apex talents, rampage cost less during recklessness, but what happens with the talent that reduces avatar and recknessless cd, does it reduce it as if I did spend 80 rage (the usual rampage cost) or as if I spent 50 rage (the apex talent version).
Also wouldnāt that means that while we have some damage buffs, we get avatar etc a bit later than usually?
This is entirely feel, but it seems adjusted to not really matter. Itāll still be a 40-ish second CD like previous.
How do this work if for 15 seconds you spend less rage than outside of that CD?
You get slightly less refund per Rampage while the cost reduction is active.
But again, they adjusted for that so you can kind of just ignore the micro there.
What did they adjust this is still a time loss that would be noticeable if you use burst on cd ?
During Recklessness you get 2.5 sec for each rampage, versus 4 sec for each without apex talent
This surely cannot be ignored? Like itās not anything minor or maybe I see problems where there isnāt
Dont combine things that dont need combining.
AM is 1s reduce per 20 rage spend. If rampage costs 80 rage its 4s. If it costs 40 rage its 2 seconds. If it costs 20 rage its 1 second
How you spend it is up to you. Technically you can get the reduction even from thunderclapping, nothing to do with rampage
So if it cost 50 itās 2.5 sec ?
You have less per rampage, but you have slightly more rampages in that window to make up for the lost CDR.
Itāll roughly be the same give or take a second or two at most.
yes, that's the biggest problem with it
I mean, do you really compensate because rage generation is quite high during it anyway? And itās still 4 sec vs 2.5 sec, you would need to do atleast twice the amount of rampage you were doing before, and itās not like you only want to press Rampage, itās like you are forced to press rampage to make the most of it
Tell ya what. Go noodle around on a target dummy, and see for yourself. Seems youāre focusing a bit too hard on the singular element,
Thane is clap > ramp > clap > ramp ect ect
Slayer is bt > ramp > bt > ramp repeat.
You dont lose anything
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Sorry I guess
nah
I mean i can see where u are coming from, but in the end the rage spend during reck is about the same as you did before apex. Its just that you press rampage more often than filler buttons now
Are you saying youāve changed the multi target rotation so that Rend is lower in priority?
If so how should we play
Press rend while tank is gathering mobs 
Having Arms bleeding into Fury. So gross.
that was blizz sorry try to give us something "uncapped"
For being an āiconicā class spell
I canāt really think of any iteration of warrior where I thought it was remotely cool
Surely there was something cooler they could bring back
it was cool in classic and in arms pvp
Classic like Vanilla?
Because I remember not even pressing it because it was so weak
u were just busy spamming sunder armor
Only used when fighting a rogue
Rend was unbelievably bad in vanilla. It did not scale with anything so was a dead button unless you are fighting a rogue

Which was the case 95% of the open world time which makes rend great

He's not wrong
Yeah bladestorm sucks
should i replace tumor with erratic Energies?
you can sim trinkets, but Crucible caught a heavy nerf the other day, so it's dropped quite a bit
kk,ty. Is dungeon slice still preffered for m+ and patchwork for pure ST?
haven't really put much effort into DS yet, but that or just 5t patch should work fine for trinkets
trinkets are pretty static these days
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The rings from Nexus seem pretty bonkers, or am I imagining things?
ok crazy. The heavy nerf of crucible makes it completely bad for my gear. In m+ ST or 5 targets, even with Slayer ST
hey guys. should i save these two sparks to craft a weapon when s1 starts? whats everyone doing with this?
Depends ig, 6/8 dungeons has a weapon that can drop for you in vault so chances of getting a wep are decently good. Weapon is usually a pretty safe craft since it's often the most damage you can get from a craft but rn might as well just hold until more info
Pretty much exactly where my thought process was. Thanks man!
What is optimal after the tier sets? Slayer or mt?
what content?
Hey peops im fairly new to Warrior specificly Fury
Started with Midnight
Been playing DH mostly now Fury bc its acctually fun and enjoyable and i wanted to ask how Fury performs in M+ and Raid š¤ in M0 i perform fairly okayisch i would guess
Here a little question with weapons choice.....
Do we craft a weapon once M+ hits to get it towards with Mythic Ilvl or craft wrists/cloak and auch
if you dont loot mythic weapon from vault or raid you are better off crafting
So wait 1st vault if no weapon craft it š¤
And maybe craft a second mythic lvl?
there are 2 tuning passes coming soon so currently no one knows how classes will actually perform when the season launches
if you find fury fun, my advice is to keep playing it
I wont run mythic raid somewhat soon id think
Warrior smash i fking love bonking mobs and people with my maces š
Im a simple man
then welcome home king, enjoy your stay
Is there a special race we would want to have š¤
Been playing the mag Orc thingy the racial seems atupdily strong
play whatever race you like best, those things matter for performance only in the race to world first
if u care about dps play diapergnome / void elf
Hi guys im quite new to like buying bis gear for new characters and im gonna start a tauren warrior on wow classic tbc for the first time ever and was wondering what weapon i can mail him that will be good for a new character
oh sorry this isnt classic chat
Fortunately no
thanks
think that discord is dead tho haha
Ok than i keep my chonky orc š
I wonder if mechagnome is gonna stay at a 1% increase even with higher ilvl, or was that always the case?
mechagnome will fall off by .1 patc
already is since its competing with velf (and panda with primary stat food)
Yo everyone , how much do you press rend st/aoe , i think that after the burst we get out first press ? Feels annoyingā¦
ty, gonna stay nelf then
press it when you'd press raging blow if the dot isn't up or if the remaining duration is ~3 seconds or lower - in ST
for AoE, it's pretty high prio as it does a lot of damage
Do you open with it than , cause in recklessness its for sure not worth ?
6 seconds or lower
dont press it in opener
you press it after reck is over and your prio list hits that rend part
Got it , thanks
is the pandemic on it that generous?
you could also not press rend at all :)
yeah
not pressing rend at all is less of a dps loss than swapping your race from an haranir to velf
Well , in early progression everything helps and i personally like to min max , so even thou i hate rend i press it š
both raid or m+
Slayer raid mt m+
yeah
Does thunderclap proc rend still? I thought thatās why we donāt need to press rend?
Sorry if dumb
yes
this is the spec we are plying now at max lvl?
They have to change something about the talents or make enrage regen baseline because not talenting into it feels bad
yeah, its a huge issue, we are pratictly without deff cds
sacrificing the dmg we dont have to have a deff cd seems insane
People really do hate stance swapping that much huh?
Remember when we had to stance dance to use shield wall
practically?
we dont have one
fym
Ah good times.
Stance swapping doesnt heal me sadly and you lose dmg
you lose more damage if you're dead
real
that being said
or you lose no dmg at all if we could press enraged regen
i hate stance swap
but realistically speaking, when you play thane cant u drop this for enraged regen?
it seems like a good thing to drop esp since thane barely presses rb
oh nvm it seems its dropped anyway for the bottom execute node... well
i mean eh atp im not that invested into actually playing m+/raid im spamming professions but if i had to lose like 0.5% dps to take enraged regen i would do it
Damn, bloodthirst hits like a truck
yea
goat
woow
how did you level to 90 in 2 seconds š¤
...I can't tell if that's bait or if you've not had your morning coffee
someone check him pc
Bro has no reading comprehension:(

there is a npc that can skipp you from 80 to 90 š
Me when sponge
After the two trinkets in silms sim is there a 3rd best for st anyone knows of?
I know theyāre still cooking waiting for changes
how are u holding up warrior (arms)
Fury-wise, do we have any idea what kinda trinkets we want to start aiming for?
40 inch arms irl but 4k dps ingame
Then war bad
Kek
good irl arms!!!!
How are u guys feeling with the dps, im teaming up with a bunch of friends and they are all paladins and warlocks, and i cant get to their dps ffs
Are they making you fill out form too
I put aln puzzle box and the crit one
Heart of ancient hunger
Puzzle box being good makes me mad fck them 2 min trinkets
Is there any reason to hold onto adventurer crests or can we send?
send
Nice one


