fury

[open mountain]

are u doing the apl work too?

[static loom]

I've done the Fury ones this season

[bitter palm]

i can tell

chatting

[static loom]

I do the APL of the specs I enjoy playing

Meaning I've done no work on Arms for a few expansions now

[bitter palm]

bro thane prio kinda complicated

[undone flower]

[open mountain]

was just comparing the current apl for fury mt with the wowhead guide and it found some issues with the guide, so i sticked to the apl with learning fury 😄

[sour frigate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1477033531430408264/armsdead.gif

[static loom]

The APL is assuming 4pc and BiS gear

worth noting

[fiery edge]

What’s the apl prioing

Oh

[static loom]

Meaning OF is #1 prio, almost always

Without, OF is just a filler

Filler/on pull enrage button

[vague stump]

this is always in M+ trash pulls right

OF single isn't high prio at all?

[bitter palm]

of is always top prio

[static loom]

Without 4pc, it's below BB/Ramp in cds, and outside of cds it's below BT(sub35%) and Ramp(high rage)

Meaning it's a middle prio button

[bitter palm]

ye true without 4pc ig

man i wish thane

wasnt 1350 buttons glowing at the same time

[vague stump]

with 4pc I guess its outside rek window?

[bitter palm]

then trying todecide what to press

wtih 4pc its top prio

[spare steppe]

You can turn off glowing

[bitter palm]

just below reck/ava

[bitter palm]

doesnt change anything

[vague stump]

btw is raidbots api the correct one now or does someone have the correct api build?

[bitter palm]

u can have like

4 high prio spells ready at the same time

[static loom]

The public APL is available on Raidbots

[vague stump]

yeah I kinda hate the rek window now its so easy to cap rage. wish they just gave rampage more dmg or something and not cost less rage just feels weird pressing rampage every other global

[bitter palm]

i dont think ramp needs more damage

[static loom]

Rampage is a beast of a button right now

[bitter palm]

its ur top dps by far

like its not even close

st sim

[static loom]

It's quite high damage, it gives AM cd reduction, and it procs a 3% str buff

[uncut hedge]

hi i have a question my reshi cloak sims better then 240 ilvl cloak, is this bugged or allright?

[static loom]

It's normal

[vague stump]

yeah but it just feels weird idk I guess I am weird but during rek window ramp/clap with this gear haste just feels fucking crap

[static loom]

As a general guideline, 240 is where the cloak starts getting into the replaceable range

[bitter palm]

yeah low haste on a gcd capped spec

[static loom]

But it will be tight

[vague stump]

I got the heart trinket from spire the other day so hasnt been as bad but I have mostly been playing slayer as thane single target makes me cry

[bitter palm]

love to see it

burst of power is such a good proc

[tranquil sentinel]

ah crap if we keep cloak i should sim and see if i keep boots also

i uhhh threw it away like a dunce

[static loom]

Boots gets replaced very early

[tranquil sentinel]

oh ok ty!

Oh than k fuck still have it in my bad, im only a half baked potatoe!

[lean nacelle]

is puzzle box the only good on use trinket for us in s1?

[wild glade]

is there anything we can do currently thats repeatable for vet crests?

[radiant plank]

random hardmode preys

[wild glade]

ah yeah that'd make sense

[plush ice]

Has anyone had problems with tracking enrage with the CDM? If i have it tracked as an icon it works fine, but if I have it tracked as a line it randomlly disappars, almost like I've lost the buff (but I havn't, still displays w/ all the rest of the buffs on the upper right)

just the stock CDM, no addons or anything

[lean nacelle]

yeah I get the same when using the bar

[plush ice]

ok, well thats lame, I'd rather track it that way, but i was freaking out doing my mythic0's that i was somehow losing enrage

[visual umbra]

So for Slayer M+ build is it required to use the cancel WW aura macro or can you end up just not using WW?

[sour anvil]

After the leveling exp I can honestly say Fury gameplay feels quite nice.

Any class recommendations for alt gaming? I logged on the Ret for half an hour, and... Jesus Christ, it's so dumb pruning what was already a simplistic spec

[floral bay]

I have noticed the exact same issue. Also the final whirlwind stack will sometimes not immediately disappear upon consumption but linger for another half a second which can lead to unused cleave if youre not counting in yxour head

[sour anvil]

Yes, confirm the final WW stack issue - should be fixed

[keen kindle]

Outlaw rogue

[wispy jay]

If he doesn't like the pruning done to ret, I definitely would not recommend outlaw

I don't think outlaw got a single positive change

[inner zinc]

so do you guys think we are likely to get changes of any kind with the big tuning pass they posted about?

[fiery edge]

pray for 17th march class balance

[marble pilot]

I would assume basically everyone gets some form of tuning on the 17th. Unless there is a spec that is exactly on the mark. And they are tuning everyone else around that spec

[modest condor]

inb4 no tuning for fury

[fiery edge]

https://giphy.com/gifs/emoji-dissolve-dissolving-F3t0lZJV7wVJwqgi5Q

[marble pilot]

That just means we are the perfect spec that all others are striving to be right

Was a little delayed on my Midnight stuff cause I rerolled Haranir.
Hardest part so far is changing the muscle memory to ignore raging blow. Its weird hitting basically anything else before it. Even more so when it lights up.
And addons to suppress icon glows?

Can probably find one. But didnt know if there was an accepted good one yet. Ideally somewhat selective. Id like to keep the tblast glow

[rare garnet]

i dont care what happens with fury as long as they make the common sense decision to nerf arms, they're out of control

[sour anvil]

tnx, up for it!

[sudden tusk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1402024314978439373/Doom_Gif_2.0.gif

[bitter palm]

wasted all my luck

for the entire season

[mortal ivy]

This from prey hardmode?

[echo rapids]

Not sure I follow

[bitter palm]

y

[mortal ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/pout-kiss-blowing-a-kiss-suspense-christian-bale-gif-16931550113965916217

[echo rapids]

Why do you think you wasted your luck?

[bitter palm]

randomly got a socket

[marble pilot]

Yeah seems fine but no haste. Socket is nice though. You'll replace it with champ/hero track soon enough.

[vernal river]

Hey guys, haven't really looked fury since S3 and after reading the rotation part of the wowhead guide I still have a question : while playing slayer on pure ST, we don't press bladestorm without recklessness ? Cause bladestorm is only mentionned with a "during recklessness" so I guess we dont send it on cd ?

Im probably wrong but just want to be sure

[oak peak]

how accurate is our wowhead BiS list? i know tuning is incoming and such, but our guild has a spreadsheet for bis that they like people to fill out, and want to know if i can start that or wait till its a little more accurate

[echo rapids]

Yeah crit heavy gets replaced instantly

[mortal ivy]

If your opening on boss hopefully you have reck and BS up depending on SD procs to lower BS it should align pretty close together if you keep uptime high depending on mechanics of the fight.

[rare garnet]

looks like a painful way to hold swords

[vernal river]

Yeah on opening its ofc not a problem, I was hitting dummies and on a pull, I had so much SD proc it just desynced reck and BS so it was both weird to sit on BS waiting for reck and to use it on cd without reck idk

Maybe it's a 1% occurence thing but I was like "tf i have to do"

[void rose]

I just finished the midnight world tour, how can i get my second weekly spark of radiance? 🙂

[honest trail]

Weekly with Liadrin

Talk to her in Silvermoon

[peak drift]

man

i feel like an absolute unit as fury

where is she again....

wait so

all chars that didnt make it to 90 before ea ended

can only get one spark

[wild glade]

did they fix the free upgrade thing? I have a champ trinket at 246 and a vet one at 233, i cant upgrade the 233 without crests?

[marble swift]

when does m+ unlock

[peak drift]

2 weeks

17th

[marble swift]

ty

[vestal dragon]

Hey there, missed last season before expansion change, is it still fury time for dps or...?

[echo rapids]

Fury looks fine

[vestal dragon]

Thane or slayer?

[honest trail]

Both

[vestal dragon]

Damn

They gonna patch us the hell out huh?

[honest trail]

10 days

Will see

[vestal dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/we-shall-see-leonardo-di-caprio-smoking-gif-10168634

ty for the info.

will continue to mash slayer for now then.

[young swan]

dunno why they would do that

fury is like

barely above middle of the pack

would be shocking if we caught any nerfs that werent compensated elsewhere

[dense elbow]

I mean, one would be shocked to see warrior nerfed when it is already down

yet historically, even recent, well

[young swan]

yes blizzard doesnt have the best judgement

[dense elbow]

Lets just say it aint impossible to see some nerfs

[young swan]

but thats why im saying it would be shocking

so that people recognize that we arent in any territory to warrant nerfs

so they can appropriately riot if we do get nerfed

[dense elbow]

I am so, jaded, is the word? That I wouldnt even be suprised, it would just be monday

[vestal dragon]

back in WW start, everyone would've guessed the first nerf, maybe the second, but it kep coming

[dense elbow]

Do I expect nerfs, no. Would I be suprised or even more so shocked? Nah

it would be a shrug and wait for buffs coming in a month reaction from me

[vestal dragon]

Yeah that would be the state of my mind, and my face is my current avatar.

[dense elbow]

Hey, at least with a negative baseline attitude, any positive changes will hopefully feel even better

[vestal dragon]

Indeed, hopefully so.

[young swan]

ive not found that to be the case

[dense elbow]

I am still living well on the SD change, that I had asked for since forever, yet not expected

Now I only want one fix on that, that being the animation, so it visual/SFX isnt as off. Yet the "how the proc feels" on proc, is great

9/10 change, just lacked polish

[junior gale]

Same but arms

[dense elbow]

[somber thicket]

Rapmaging ruins fix, that id dosent do 50% on main target. I like that talent

[echo rapids]

What could they possibly nerf on warrior

Our dps barely mid pack and we have low burst

[south kayak]

Yeah there would be no reason to herd warr

[echo rapids]

Did my m0 tour with udk and ret, udk dunked on me in ST and ret was burstier in aoe, and both of them can do most of their rotation from range

[vestal dragon]

Either nerf us or buff the others, both ways I presonally won't be invited to many runs 😅

[echo rapids]

I mean I don’t push high keys and run mostly with guildies so it doesn’t matter

But warrior still feels pretty average at best (which isn’t the worst I guess)

[finite jetty]

Dont worry, as a Tank i out dps'd alot of Fury players in m0

[pale lava]

what about thunder clap in 3 targets or more? how well does it compete with BT/BB and their chance of proccing tblast charges?

[sullen dove]

guys i think this spec may be op...

[olive wraith]

Fake news. The guide writer probably says it’s balanced

[static loom]

During reck TC is below Ramp, BB and Exe, outside of reck it's below BT (sub 35%) and Ramp (high rage), iirc

[pale lava]

I see, tyvm.

I take it Exe is better than TC inside reck due to the increased rage generation?

[waxen vigil]

hello chatters

what do i drop for stance mastery @slim coral

[vernal jungle]

Execute just tickles anymore. Annoying. But I guess we got plenty of ramp bt/bb to hit. Just weird how little worth exe and rb are. Idk was this intended? Make execute actually execute again. It’s been since what WoD?

[olive wraith]

Don’t forget a portion of execute damage is deep wounds

[dense elbow]

have you tried not being AFK

[sullen dove]

yea i was pretty afk doin 73k dps

[serene moat]

You were the wl?
Get outta here!

[undone flower]

Why the name

[alpine palm]

I think a large portion of the value is accelerating Bladestorm, but ya it would be nice if exe hit harder

[sullen dove]

gio reference

[dapper goblet]

fotm reroller

[alpine palm]

and (I know APL stuff is still being worked on) but Sarri's seems to place fairly high value on Execution when you have multiple applications of Executioner/Avoiding overcap on Sudden Death

[sullen dove]

Wonka in s1 of tww

[fallen ginkgo]

quick out of topic question, does anyone know why plater shows me hp bars of dead mobs when im facing them?

[dapper goblet]

erm i was an enhance shaman prior to that

noobish

[sullen dove]

cluegi

xeosr

[dapper goblet]

main rogue on vacation

forced to play it

[sullen dove]

gg

[alpine palm]

yea but isnt enhancement sham just blue fury

[calm dock]

so for thane is there any reason to have rend on my bar since thunderclap applies it aswell?

[night wigeon]

Quick question: I thought we were supposed to use Rampage on cooldown, but it looks like we always have to wait until 100–120 Rage. Why is that? When I look at the Apex talent, that’s not what I’d instinctively want to do.

[modest condor]

the amount of rampage casts is limited by how much rage you generate, it doesnt matter if you press it at 50 rage or at 120 rage, you're gonna get the same amount of casts off

so you want to manage your rampage casts to keep as much enrage uptime as possible

[night wigeon]

Ok I see

Thanks

[echo rapids]

You can think of it as rampage is your “I can cast this when I need” while bloodthirst has a cooldown that if you delay, you lose casts

[void rose]

thank you!

[ashen tendon]

So surely you did no APLs for warrior this time around

[digital mauve]

so for slayer MT => we prio BT over everything besides Rampage for enrage and Sudden Death Exec proc?

and ofc WW buff

[echo rapids]

Slayer MT?

[static loom]

Hey, Fury is actually fun this time around!

[young swan]

multitarget

[young swan]

yeah pretty much

[dapper goblet]

last tier not this tier

[young swan]

rend is pretty up there as well i think

[ashen tendon]

We can agree to disagree on this one I suppose

I actually despise it

Made me drop my warrior from main/main alt territory for the first time since legion

[echo rapids]

Does it really feel that different than TWW?

[young swan]

yeah it actually has complexity that isnt solved with an addon

[ashen tendon]

Yeah the spec is too hard for me to play

[young swan]

but i think this is probably also the best fury has been since legion

[ashen tendon]

[young swan]

at least thane

slayer im iffy on

[echo rapids]

Slayer feels very similar

Thane has a pretty murky prio list

[young swan]

yeah thats whats fun

[honest trail]

Thane hardest spec in the game atm

[ashen tendon]

Yeah I love it when its not clear if its actually worth pressing rampage when rage capped or if I should thunderblast/bloodbath

its poggers gameplay

[young swan]

its never not clear whether you should press ramp or not

[honest trail]

Rage overcapping is never good

Cause of AM

[ashen tendon]

Whatever you say brothermen

[young swan]

we dont rage overcap...

[ashen tendon]

on aoe this is not true

[honest trail]

it is

[young swan]

that died with the introduction of the new apex

[honest trail]

Avatar cdr is always better

The difficulty is when you have glowing TB, BT resets, double ST & everything up

& depending on numbrs of targets & hp %

[young swan]

yeah feels weird ignoring SD

[honest trail]

There's different optimal options

Also depend if you want prio dmg

or more cleave

So also depends on the type of pull

& mobs

[echo rapids]

I don’t mind some complexity but this feels like it’s not intended

[honest trail]

It's hard to intend something before testing it

But it's fine as it is

Slayer could do some little changes, especially cause of Rend

[echo rapids]

Rend needs to go back to the shadow from whence it came

If we had had rend in TWW they would have selected it as a prune target for midnight

[rare garnet]

Unlikely since rend is iconic

[echo rapids]

Not for fury

[slim coral]

What talent you have

[waxen vigil]

i guess the clap talent is the best answer

but is it only worth dropping as slayer lol

warrior class tree is so fucking bad

why are there so many dps nodes

[rare garnet]

[echo rapids]

Blizzard made every spec playable on a controller but wanted to keep their 3x talent trees with 130 talents or whatever

[digital mauve]

Wait whatr about Rampage? I jsut press it when I'm off enrage and if I don't have BT or Exec Proc, otherwise I don't think about it, should I?

[young swan]

easiest is to swap javlineer to resonant voice and crushing force to stance mastery

[echo rapids]

You press it if you need enrage or are about to cap on rage

[young swan]

iirc anyways

I think javlineer and crushing might be better on pure st?

[honest trail]

Drop the BT talent

[young swan]

but when does that ever happen

[digital mauve]

Yeah right, why all the fuss about it?

[waxen vigil]

😩

[echo rapids]

What do you mean

[digital mauve]

It looks like you need to check the exatc number of rage you have and think about it, ect...

but really I don't worry about it, just press it if I'm not enrage and if I'm too overcaped

[echo rapids]

During recklessness things get wild

[young swan]

there is an exact amount technically but its more like "will i overcap or run out of enrage on the next global" and if the answer is yes you press rampage

[echo rapids]

Rampage hits harder, is cheaper, gives you a stacking Strength buff

[young swan]

rampage prio is prob the easiest thing about current thane

[echo rapids]

You also get thunder blasts which are good, and bloodthirst gets stronger too

[lean nacelle]

I thought in thane multi-target, you were supposed to clap every other global, or is that just outside reck but in ava?

[young swan]

you basically want to clap every other global, yeah

its not as easy as a blanket statement tho

[slim coral]

I’d give up jav tbh

[young swan]

👴

pick up the pace bud

[digital mauve]

what about exec for slayer in exec phase, should I press it if I don't have a SD proc?

[digital mauve]

ok so it becomes prio during Reck?

over BT?

[shadow maple]

is worth still using the reshi cloak¿

[young swan]

u should like

read my message

maybe

[slim coral]

Playing marathon rn

[sudden tusk]

That's not Poe or deadlock

[marble swift]

lol they actually removed the campaign skip for non-90 alts

thats wild

[slim coral]

correct, deadlock isn't bad but I love extraction shooters

wanna be teh first to the end game on this

[olive cobalt]

Sim it is the best answer usually

Might be might not be, depends on what you have to replace it

[ripe shore]

I counter your argument with "what the fuck"

[sudden tusk]

Yup

[shadow maple]

then 220+ ilv cloak drop reshi¿

[sudden tusk]

It's why rings or necks that have a damage effect are op and almost everyone tries to get them

[ripe shore]

230 with crit/haste is what's in my sims

[sullen dove]

yo its https://tenor.com/view/march-7th-honkai-star-rail-march-hsr-hsr-march-ayo-gif-15904784513077978951

[rotund ginkgo]

https://klipy.com/gifs/getting-sword-alex-boye

yo its

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/miyabi-hoshimi-miyabi-zzz-disagreement-disagree-gif-12168065095409913383

[torpid steppe]

outside of recklessness what is higher priority bloodthirst or raging blow?

for mountain thane

[slim coral]

Bloodthirst

It’s how you get thunder blast procs

[sullen dove]

MARTH 7TH!!!!!!!!!!!

[olive wraith]

Rb bad

[torpid steppe]

so thuderblast > bloodthirst > raging blow generally? and thunderclap if nothing else available

[rotund ginkgo]

isnt bt just first prio regardless of spec

[olive wraith]

Thunderclap is higher than rb during avatar

[digital mauve]

So what about exec phase in MT slayer?

[slim coral]

You spam bt

[digital mauve]

exec doesn''t change prio?

[slim coral]

Not with BT and rb no

[digital mauve]

ok so I press only when SD proc

or if BT isn'"t available

also sometimes I press Rampage twice in a row cuz BT is not up, my WW buff is already up, and I figured Rampage > RB?

[mental nexus]

Isn't Tclap a higher priority than RB always?

[rotund ginkgo]

isnt wowhead a reliable source of priority lists?

🧐

genuinely asking cuz lots of questions about priority in a row

and @edgy widget has slayer ST/aoe + thane ST/aoe in wowhead + openers

[rotund ginkgo]

ye

Recklessness
Avatar
Odyn's Fury
Thunder Clap if the Whirlwind buff is not active
Rampage over 100 rage or if Enrage is not active
Thunder Blast during Avatar
Bloodthirst or Bloodbath during Recklessness
Rampage
Thunder Clap
Execute
Raging Blow or Crushing Blow during Recklessness

aoe thane priority

[cerulean badger]

Hey guys, havent been on since last expansion, how do we track enrage and meat cleaver stacks now?

[olive wraith]

Cdm is an okay enrage tracker imo

Iww addon seems to be the most popular cleave tracker just use the search function and you should be able to find a link to it pretty easy

[cerulean badger]

lww on curseforge?

[icy whale]

ahh im a little unsure how to manage my keybinds/rotations...
do you think its perfectly fine to play most content on thane with thunder clap?
and then just pure single target slayer for raidbosses?

if i have more than 2 rotations my brain will implode

[olive cobalt]

Someone said Reshii is still worth to keep until 240 ilvl, assuming it's true I don't think those result are weird

So far my sims have preferred my other cloak but I sim on 5 targets and Reshii's damage get split in AoE so I guess it loses steam there

[rare garnet]

my wrap is like a 0.1 increase and at that point im taking ilevel and stam

[pale lava]

unless you're raiding at a very high level or pushing 0.1% keys, you can safely play like that and be fine

[icy whale]

i used to raid mythic and was like 2.8k m+ but that was a while ago in bfa

i want to get back to that tho and get 3k m+ and a mythic guild again

[rare garnet]

you would be fine to just play thane or slayer in all content depending on preference at this point unless you're pushing some massive content and just enjoy your time

[icy whale]

5 year break made me forget everything

[pale lava]

you can get that through the playstyle that you described

[icy whale]

[pale lava]

but if you ever get the urge to push higher, I can't promise it will be enough once you reach a certain level

but for the moment, just enjoy the game

[icy whale]

okay thanks

[clever stone]

hey guys, found that there is a difference between simming target dummy and patchwerk. target dummy sims lower. Is this due to target dummy not losing hp and thus execute not being useable?

[silk wharf]

iirc target dummy removes all the buffs.

[pale lava]

target dummies don't have buffs

[clever stone]

what are the buffs?

and also does that mean when simming, the target hp steadily goes down from 100 to 0 over the course of 5 mins?

[olive wraith]

Target dummy only has buffs you can apply

[icy whale]

btw can any veteran fury tell me what some of the most op items have been for fury after bfa until now? like razor coral, convergence of fate, getiikku etc

[olive wraith]

Patchwork has stuff like lust

[clever stone]

Sorry, I am simming with 0 buffs at all. Im not sure how lust would factor into this?

0 buffs for both dummy and patchwerk

[rare garnet]

No clue what a target dummy sim is

[rare garnet]

Or when/why you would even use that

[clever stone]

using it to practice rotation and check my dmg vs sims. patchwerk and target dummy give different sim results. also the sturdy love fool seems to give the target dummy sim numbers while tuskar training dummy / rubbery fish head give closer to the patchwerk results

[silk wharf]

It looks like it's execute contribution. It's nearly double in a regular sim with no buffs.

[median marsh]

if i want to do all side quests, can i do 2 zones with main and 2 zones with alt?
also - is this a gfood way to lvl up an alt?

[silk wharf]

Yes, you can. And I don't know if it's "good" but it is what I did because I wanted the rep.

[median marsh]

tyvm

[clever stone]

yeah that is what I figured but wasn't sure. what's weird to me is that im getting pretty wildly different results with different training dummies

[silk wharf]

Wildly? Mine was off about 600, which was the execute difference.

[olive cobalt]

Raidbots gives a short explanation when you change fight style

[clever stone]

oh yeah nice so that is it

but im talking about the fish head vs love fool now

like from 27.5k to 32.5k

which is like 18% ish?

the biggest thing is that my aa dmg is like 200k higher than it should be

or 25%

also, details doesn't seem to show cast count for fights anymore. I'm assuming this is due to the new blizz dmg meters that don't have that info available. is there any way to get that info per fight? Can you log a target dummy fight?

[olive wraith]

Part of it could be rng. Imo you’re overthinking it

[fallen terrace]

quick question, is rent / thunderclap now my main aoe attack for getting the whirlwind aoe buff ? or is whirlwind still usefull and i neet to press rent everytime it runs out ? dont understand why they all give the cleave buff

[olive cobalt]

Thane is thunder clapping cheeks

whirlwind used as filler if you have literally nothing else available

[fallen terrace]

so if i need to stack up my buff, allways rent or thunderclap first ?

[olive cobalt]

Thunder Clap applies both rend and whirlwind stacks if you play as Thane

[olive wraith]

You never press rend as thane. Only as slayer

[fallen terrace]

ye, but when im playing slayer ?

[olive cobalt]

Slayer you press rend when you have nothing else

Or to reapply it

whirlwind for stacks

[spare steppe]

In ST, it’s pretty good in aoe

[olive wraith]

Check the rotation. Keeping ww stacks is near the top of the prio list

[lofty forge]

fury or arms for m0?

[surreal token]

https://tenor.com/view/matthew-mcconaughey-smoking-matthew-mcconaughey-intense-intense-stare-smoking-gif-2659849828106643276

[lofty forge]

wow

time to bail

[surreal token]

load up that fury brother

unless u wanna suffer

[lofty forge]

furry it is

[surreal token]

I've had more fun doomposting about arms

than I have actually playing it

[olive wraith]

Arms is dead

[fallen ginkgo]

What you guys play for alts?

[potent thicket]

i have a shaman ready but dont want to start working on it yet

maybe when i do sojourner haranir or something

is there a major diff in dps between thane and slayer m+?

[rare garnet]

Alts? I just keep doing things on warrior. I’ve got 1 zone of rares left.

[hot shell]

Not significantly. Thane is better sustained, slayer is better burst. Slayer excels if the mobs die quicker

[potent thicket]

and sidequessts barely give any xp with sojourner hmm

[fallen ginkgo]

also thinking about shaman enhance ofc

[potent thicket]

i enjoyed both but elem much more

[fallen ginkgo]

but idk it doesnt feel the same since midnight hit

like

[hot shell]

Different question. What kinda Race and Gender do you prrefer on your furys

[fallen ginkgo]

sounds etc

[fallen ginkgo]

male nelf

[potent thicket]

might make a monk haranir

stil sucks odyn furry doesnt give whirlwind stacks

[fallen ginkgo]

trueee

[potent thicket]

really wanna finish sojourner, get the renown item, and mo dungeons before maybe leveling my shaman

[icy whale]

on thane multitarget this is the priority - so without avatar i guess i cast both thunder clap/blast on #9. how is it the same prio?

[potent thicket]

love me the procs from slayer

[sullen dove]

cuz theres no reason you cant hold onto a thunder blast 1 global or two

its not like its gonna go away

in avatar you want to spend em asap for avatar buff duration extension as well as just doing a lot more dmg during avatar

outside of it much like holding onto a charge of sudden death for slayer doesnt rly matter when you send it just that you eventually do

and idk i guess it just wants you to like ramp before tb if applicable to give it the extra 3% strength from apex or something

[digital mauve]

is rampage twice in a row bad?

[icy whale]

what exactly extends the duration?

[sullen dove]

one of the thane hero talents think bottom right one maybe

+2 sec avatar for every thunder blast

[icy whale]

oh yeah, capacitance

[sullen dove]

not necessarily if fully rage capped but i think itd be a more common occurence as slayer rather than thane

[digital mauve]

yes slayer

[sullen dove]

cuz thane with tclap cd being reduced by a lot you should be able to clap/blast > button > clap/blast > button > c/b > button

button being either bloodbath or ramp

as slayer yea i mean your main 3 prios are just bb/exe and ramp and if bb is on cd and you dont have an exe sure its fine to sling 2 ramps

can maybe throw a rend too if in aoe thats also rly good on aoe

st less of a big deal

[fast mural]

so the wowhead build doesnt take enraged regen i thought it was a prepatch thing and not an actuall prog thing

[sullen dove]

yea i mean all the rest of our talents are "dps talents" tho there always will be some close to irrelevant ones if u rly want it

im sure could drop massacre or something else thats like less than 1% loss for it

[fast mural]

are we just just hoping stance mastery is gonna be enough ?

[olive wraith]

Stance mastery is strong

[sullen dove]

i mean it is strong but i dont think er is as much for the defensive as it is for the healing

the like 0 to full hp selfheal during a bladestorm is pretty epic

[warm crag]

stance mastery is broken as fuck

[fast mural]

yeeah but can we track its ICD

[keen kindle]

Calling it now

By tlt we won't be able to track shit

[young swan]

not bad necessarily just usually not necessary

[fast mural]

it was a genuine question cause i dont want to gamble if it will reduce a hit by 15% more or not

[young swan]

maxroll's aoe opener has double ramp in it

[olive wraith]

Not really gamble, you’re taking reduced damage no matter what. And it’s better if it’s a huge chunk of your hp

[keen kindle]

Im not sure if we even can track icds nowadays

[tepid solar]

How is everyone tracking ww/tc stacks in multi target now? Your 4 hits

[fast mural]

cdm

[keen kindle]

If cdm is too weird theres a seperate addon

[tepid solar]

My cool down manager wouldn't move from the middle of my screen even in edit mode lmao

[fast mural]

but there is also a recource bar thing but it doesnt actually track it

[rare garnet]

It’s good enough

I need little bars and instant update

I’ll take the 1 off wrongs

[fast mural]

CDM also doesnt use a ww stack up after all hits from rampage are over

which is kinda annoying

[rare garnet]

That’s kinda always been a thing

[fast mural]

not with WAs

[echo rapids]

When reck runs out as you are about to rampage and suddenly rampage cost is higher and you just get stuck lol

[keen kindle]

I stg

All of the apexes of the specs I play kinda suck

....cept for outlaws

[rare garnet]

[icy whale]

so on aoe i do that, and on single target i would do blast/execute instead of clap/blast?

[fast mural]

hunters and uhDKs are pretty sick

i was getting realy jealous when reading those

"aimed shot always crits"

[rare garnet]

thats certainly something to find engaging

[echo rapids]

So sick to have an entirely passive apex

[fast mural]

well the animations are what carries the dk one

[limpid sierra]

smf still meme?

[fast mural]

enhanced death coil just looks sick af

its transmog now

[olive wraith]

It doesn’t exist

[limpid sierra]

WHAT

[fast mural]

there arent even 1h in fury loot spec anymore

[limpid sierra]

WHAAAAAT

[fast mural]

its just what it always was supposed to be

purely cosmetic

[limpid sierra]

it was bis in my heart

[fast mural]

its the best thing they done i can cosplay as an arms warrior if i mog my offhand into a fist weapon

[icy whale]

is it intended that sometimes thunder blast gives me 2s avatar even tho my avatar buff ran out already?

[keen kindle]

Udk's isnt passive thou

[icy whale]

like sometimes my screen was already shrinking and then it zooms in again for 2 sec

[keen kindle]

It makes you spam the ever loving fuck out of rp spenders

[fast mural]

iirc thunder blast can proc avatar whenever

you know what that might not be intented after reading the talents again

[icy whale]

i guess yeah, it reads more like they only want to extend it if the buff is active

[fast mural]

i just know it has been happenign to me aswell and i didnt realy think anyting of it

[olive wraith]

There’s a diff talent

[icy whale]

this means if you are really lucky with your blast procs you can regain avatar out of nowhere for multiple 2 sec duration

oh really

[icy whale]

[olive wraith]

Proud of you

[keen kindle]

warriors can read?

[icy whale]

well i can tell you im not known for my reading comprehension

but i noticed a bug

if i get 4s from avatar of the storm and then within that time cast a thunder blast, i dont get 2s on top of it

[echo rapids]

Any chance they buff non raid trinkets? Kinda grim

[icy whale]

nevermind, i did

well well well maybe i should just shut up

[barren yarrow]

Hi guys, is generally speaking STR the best weapon enchant or Haste/Mastery depending on your stat weight prio?

[olive wraith]

Generally a sim question

[sullen dove]

ya just any time u press it and have avatar up get +2 seconds

might get like 2-4 more extra than normal if lucky procs but its not like thats some massively significant gain

just is kinda cool

[valid pulsar]

Jo guys why is thunder blast not included in the prio list ? It just says "thunder blast during avatar" but it does not specify where it ranks in the prio list outside avatar when we get a proc

[sullen dove]

just the same as thunder clap basically

[valid pulsar]

thats very low on the list just above execute and raging blow 😄 is it that bad ?

[sullen dove]

outside of avatar its not that insane just some decent aoe but keeping bt on cooldown to get more tb procs usually better

cuz like you dont have to immediately spend a tb charge the moment u get it

since u can hold two

if you can hit bb or ramp to maybe get another stack of apex for 3% more strength on tb probably might as well

[valid pulsar]

i see

even if we are at 2 stacks we could still send rampage first since another stack would only get triggered by bt right ?

[sullen dove]

eh probably yea

wowhead is meant to more be a general guideline but atp it is like small changes up to your discretion

that scenario does seem a bit uncommon tho

like if you have a tb charge, you just used bt and gained a second charge, then your next choice is either tb or ramp, if you have ramp hit it sure, if not then you just hit tb since bt isnt off cd yet

so i think thats like self-explanatory enough maybe but idk

[valid pulsar]

ye makes sense

[sullen dove]

but shouldnt really be any reason you have 2 tb charges available and you can/want to hit bloodthirst

aside from popping cds

or youre "saving them" for a big pull coming up very shortly i guess

but again yea just kinda do with it what you will at that point

just dont waste resources while generally always keeping bt on cd and enrage active as much as possible

[valid pulsar]

didnt odyns make bleeds bleed faster did they remove this ?

[sullen dove]

uh idk bout faster but they do make em do more damage

skullsplitter would do that for arms

[icy whale]

@sullen dove this is the prio list for thane multitarget, is thunder clap with avatar at the same position as #6?

[sullen dove]

probably yeah

think clap itself does a lot of aoe dmg during avatar

another talent gives it like 50% dmg and way shorter cd

so should pmuch always be like clap/blast > button > clap/blast > button

buttons being ramp to prevent overcapping rage or just bb

[sour frigate]

It was talent

[icy whale]

what if i do clap/blast > ramp > clap/blast > have over 100 rage, i always do rampage there?

[valid pulsar]

i found it. Its the talent bloodborne. Bloodthirst makes bleeds do 20% more damage for a few seconds . In that case wouldnt it be better to pop odyns after bt or bb to make use of the extra 20% bleed damage buff for odyns

because the opener puts odyns way before the first bt/bb

could instead put it at the end of the opener no ?

[sour frigate]

It was another talent that made of empower bleeds bb was there all along but was passive before midnight

[icy whale]

i think you start with odyn because of rage and guaranteed enrage

[sour frigate]

Ye i like that

Why they didnt add a mc part idk

[valid pulsar]

Yeah that is what i am not sure about. Achi put it at the start of the opener. For example on maxroll revvez put it after bb and he emphasizes to use odyns after bloodborne is applied. But what is actually the better variant damage wise. Having enrage already running before we ramp if that even matters for the opener or get the extra 20% bleed damage from odyns after bb

And charge + reck givess you enough rage to instantly ramp anyways so i wonder if having enrage already running before we press the first ramp is of any relevance or even more important than bloodborne for odyns

[sullen dove]

ramp benefits from its own enrage that wont matter

ig yea didnt realize bt also did that

but think thats prolly small enough of a difference to just be whatever you prefer, im sure it might be slightly more damage to bb first to let the 2nd half of odyns damage be buffed by 20% but its prolly not that huge in the grand scheme of things

and u might risk a bit more desyncing if you wait too long to use odyns

[smoky vale]

i mean surely delaying of by a little bit eventually leads to losing an of cast over a long period of time

like if you delay it enough times in an opener of an m+ pull

[sullen dove]

this isnt like a set in stone thing and not sure if this is how our cds will always play out with cdr but imagine it takes 40 seconds for reck to come off cd twice, so you get to use your 3rd reck and presumably a bladestorm you've saved at 1:20 instead of the usual 1:30 cadence, but at this point your 3rd odyns still isnt off cd, so you can still press your cds and then use it 10-12 seconds after still in your reck

[smoky vale]

you lose a few casts

[sullen dove]

but yea if you wait 10 seconds to pop odyns after reck, doing like 5 globals and a whole bs, the odyns is way further away from your recks now and you might either be holding cds for longer or odyns is pushed out of reck window sooner

might also lose like 1 cast total sure depending on fight timing if you lose 2 or more tho you are just playing wrong i think

[smoky vale]

i mean over a key

like over 30 m

[sullen dove]

eh yea maybe

[smoky vale]

you sure lose like 5

by doing it

which is kinda bad

but also kinda irrelevant until tuning imo

[modest condor]

last i checked it didnt

[sullen dove]

it doesnt do this?

oh

[smoky vale]

prob that

[sullen dove]

yea i didnt reply to the guy

the "also did that" i was talkin about bloodborne

[modest condor]

oh

[sullen dove]

not its self enrage

[modest condor]

my bad then

[smoky vale]

hi silm

[sullen dove]

eh i said it shit too lol

[modest condor]

hi

[sullen dove]

instantly after ramp self enrage

cluegi

but yea idk u are more mathy guy do u not think its worth to have bb up before you hit odyns

or still just insta odyns on pull

[smoky vale]

@winter shoal can you apl it :3

[sullen dove]

cuz i think like holding it for 3 globals like ramp > bb > odyns is fine

but if youre waiting an entire bs cast and like 2 extra globals after to hit odyns that sounds a lot more cooked

[modest condor]

on singletarget?

[sullen dove]

sure i guess assuming thats what was linked up there

by presence of no ww being hit

[modest condor]

the bleed part of OF is really small so honestly i dont think it really matters much

but also i dont see a reason why not

[sullen dove]

yea its like half of its dmg buffed by 20% assuming tooltip somewhat accurate

so like 10% overall buff

but eh

[smoky vale]

isnt of bleed only relevant in aoe

[sullen dove]

seems harmless enough to just get buff up either way

just bladestorming before odyns sounds dumb

cuz thats like a lot of cd downtime youre sitting on it

but im sure u could slam a bloodborne to get the buff up

[winter shoal]

no I'm playing poe

idek what we're talking about

[smoky vale]

whats the league mechanic

[winter shoal]

little mirror dimension type shit

[smoky vale]

type shi

[winter shoal]

replicates league mechanics in an area

[smoky vale]

sounds cool

last time i played a league i did uh poison archer shit

i have no clue what its called

[valid pulsar]

they should buff sd proc chance for slayer

yep indeed

i mean slayer strike i guess

do you guys also have massive desync of reck and bs ?

[sullen dove]

yea that prolly will happen to some degree

i think you do just hold bs until reck feel like unhinged too good to not have it sling bb's and also just have the bs damage buffed by reck

on st at least

unhinged prolly matters alot less on aoe and while youd want to have your bs buffed by reck as much as possible think in aoe setting you just dont want to miss out on more bs's

[undone flower]

Doesn’t unhinged BTs proc Bloodborne ?

[sullen dove]

ya probably

tho again like holding an odyns for the entire duration of bs seems too cooked

cuz it'd be that much more liable to desync from cds as well

it might actually not be a bad thing to push back the first bladestorm a little bit too cuz presumably it'll line up more favorably with when next bs comes off

[broken sinew]

Does Rampaging berserker lvl 2 have bugged? Once I added my rampage skill require 80 rages to use?

[sullen dove]

only during recklessness is rage cost reduced

[broken sinew]

before that Im need to use only 60 rage?

oh

ok noted

thanks dude

[sullen dove]

yuh

[undone flower]

I forgot half of slayer tree, but I bet bladestorm still activate half of the hero tree, might be bad to hold, especially on pull

[sullen dove]

actually yea i just hit a dummy for the first time this expansion and bs's cd does actually keep decent pace with reck

[edgy widget]

its similar enough most of the time

[sullen dove]

i assumed bs would be like super slow and desync but it did hit the about 40-50sec cd similar to reck yea

[edgy widget]

though you do get occasional streaks where BS comes back and Reck is still 20s+ away

[sullen dove]

odyns might be more of an issue then atp but seems reasonable enough to expect to almost always have them near eachother

yea

[edgy widget]

Sarri and I both worked on this and were unable to make it a gain, though I do agree that it feels like it should

• Keep in mind that Bladestorm is also used pretty quickly on the pull and Unhinged Bloodthirsts still trigger the effect, so you're not actually waiting that long for it

[smoky vale]

revvez secret magic

[edgy widget]

It's kind of in this weird area where delaying the OF until after Bloodthirst is good for OF damage, but it's worse for the tier set's OF CDR

[smoky vale]

did you guys only work on it for st?

because i assume the more targets you add the worse the problem becomes

[edgy widget]

for both, but Thane is even weirder since using OF during Avatar disrupts the clap-spam

[smoky vale]

thane just has so many conflicting prios

its not fun tbh

[edgy widget]

Yeah, it's kind of a mess

I mean I think it's fun to play, you just have to kind of ignore all the buttons lighthing up (also why I highly suggest just using an addon to disable those glows)

[smoky vale]

to me everything just feels worse than last season

and s3 df

s1 tww was pretty fun

[undone flower]

I disliked S3 thane

But I prefered prepatch thane over now

[edgy widget]

I think it feels better than S3 Thane tbh

[smoky vale]

has there been a difference in playing thane at all ever?

to me thane has just feel tb on cd

and you win

[edgy widget]

I mean yes, it's been very different

if not in buttons, at least in the execution of them

I do think Blast is a little devalued right now, but the fact that Thane still does good damage even if you're not getting Blast procs is very nice - Slayer already has a lot of RNG, so I like that Thane is more consistent

[undone flower]

The clap cdr change too much the gameplay for just being use the rare ww reskinned proc

For me

[edgy widget]

• in TWW Season 3, you were wholly dependent on Blast procs and resets to do any damage
• In Midnight, you almost don't care about Blast - it's still nice (and a gain) to get them, but it's just a bonus, your damage isn't wholly dependent on it

[smoky vale]

i forgot about thanes tier set in s3 because i just spent the entire season in slayer

but yeah the needing resets to do anything was stupid

[undone flower]

S1 and S2 thane was indeed plain fury and just tb when proc

[edgy widget]

Yeah S1 and S2 didn't even prio BT

[smoky vale]

i am gonna miss rb spam

[hybrid horizon]

same

[edgy widget]

my only complaint with Thane in Midnight is that Storm Surge probably should have been 33% CDR instead of 50%; using Clap every 3rd GCD would make more room for Bloodthirst

[smoky vale]

i think we also had a good m+ season even though high keys was omega dead

[edgy widget]

e.g. - Ramp - Clap - BT - Ramp - Clap - BT - Ramp - Clap - BT

though that also leads to rage waste, since you're not rampaging every other GCD

so yeah, whole thing is kinda messy, but it is fun

[smoky vale]

it feels too similar to prot i think

[edgy widget]

I mean it's bound to, they're both playing MThane, leaning on the same interactions

[undone flower]

The prot curse on dps warrior

[valid pulsar]

tww s3 slayer was very fun. Right now to me slayer feels like a nerfed version of s3 where you often lack slayer strike procs and therefore dont get any sd's to reap at all.

[edgy widget]

Prots is smoother though, cause the SSlam actually triggers Blast, whereas Rampage doesn't

[undone flower]

Rend, avatar, unstoppable force/storm surge

[valid pulsar]

I still have more fun with it than thane 😄

[edgy widget]

Yeah, Slayer doesn't feel as fun to me anymore; it's fine in ST, but the AoE is very RNG dependent

if you don't get good Reap/SD procs, you're just kind of floundering

[valid pulsar]

yep

[smoky vale]

I think this is also due to prot also spending rage a lot more actively throughout its rotation

[edgy widget]

Thane might legitimately get nerfed on the 17th

[smoky vale]

in addition to like as you said rampage having nothing to do with thunder blast

[undone flower]

Yeah we don’t have IP dump rage button

[smoky vale]

or block

[edgy widget]

if Thane had been redesigned from the ground up w/ the apex in mind, I feel like there might have been a real argument for tying Blast to Rampage

but Fury wasn't pressing Ramp every other GCD at the time so

[lean nacelle]

blizz likes BT too much

[edgy widget]

either way, Thane feels good, even if it's a little messy - it has really good uptime on Avatar, great burst, and even pretty decent sustained damage

and it low key kinda fucks in AoE, even if it's not one of the actual OP specs

[summer quail]

i will take a tclap nerf. leave the rest alone

[undone flower]

At least there is not the thane st issue anymore

[edgy widget]

yeah its ST is pretty good

[undone flower]

all planned to have a thane raid

[edgy widget]

see here's the thing though: if they nerf Clap/buff Blast too much, it's going to actually ruin the gameplay loop

right now, the rota works because you don't need Blast procs - they're just extra

if they make it so that clap does shit damage and everything is tied up into blast again, the rotation is going to become an absolute god damn mess

not to mention saying goodbye to reliable damage

[smoky vale]

and unholy will still be the best

[undone flower]

Fortunately I’m the battle shout of my guild

[summer quail]

how so? it's a bit weird to me pressing clap every other gcd on big enough pulls

[fiery edge]

Feels dumb double clicking rampage

[rare garnet]

Same brother

[feral ivy]

i did all my m0's this week and full pvp gear .. idk what else to do UGH

[pliant stone]

I kinda feel bad pressing rampage as much as i do during a avatar/reck window.

[edgy widget]

Because you'd spend more GCDs on 5 target Bloodthirst instead of uncapped Clap, and be reliant the RNG of Blast procs to actually deal damage

[fiery edge]

Im tired of pressing mid blow

[edgy widget]

not to mention still wanting to Rampage for the Apex, which right now is more or less every other GCD
so you end up in a really awkward rotation of trying to keep BT and Rampage on cooldown

• Rampage - Bloodthirst (proc) - Rampage - Blast - Rampage - Bloodthirst (no proc) - filler - Rampage - Bloodthirst (proc) - Rampage - Blast - Rampage - Bloodthirst (no proc) - Rampage - filler
  or you delay Rampage and keep pressing Clap on CD anyway, just for less damage

I actually think Clap/Blast is in a really good place right now

[crystal moss]

Yeah I play mountain thane and knowing what to do in reck/avatar is kinda hard. upgraded bloodthirst seems to hit the hardest, but I'm not supposed to cap on rage, and thunderblasts are right there too

[limber violet]

Hello. anyone knows which food better to use for fury? +50 primary stats food or +65 highest secondary stats food? Thanks

[sullen dove]

think u can pick either or in sims but its likely a small difference anyway

[rare garnet]

killed all the rares in all the zones today, running out of things to do so we're back to the house, as blizz intended

[sullen dove]

level a new alt

[rare garnet]

still need to finish farming all my honor gear tomorrow

[sullen dove]

guh

[brittle crow]

u ever turn in an assignment and ur like damn. i absolutely fucked that up and i dont know how

i am dreading

[slim coral]

Ignore soredish go secondary stat

[sullen dove]

yapplebees

[slim coral]

Blooming feast is the meta

[silk wharf]

Are you sure about that? I see better results from primary.

At leastg in the weapon enchant department

Which I assume would translate fairly well to food

[slim coral]

I’m talking about food

[slim coral]

Blooming feast is BiS I’m sure

If in doubt check wowhead

[sullen dove]

the one on the right used primary stat

gg noober

[silk wharf]

I also see about a 500 dps boost from primary.

[slim coral]

Yeah but you aren’t full bis noob

[sullen dove]

ya and no one will be for like 12 weeks lol

regardless it prolly dont matter

bit shocked tho 500 dps is kind of a lot for just swapping food

imagine some small sim variation too there but cant imagine its that much different

[slim coral]

Checkmate Noober

[slim coral]

Blah blah blah we only go off bis

[sullen dove]

cluegi

anyway yea it dont matter which food u get i guess both are like dirt cheap

bought 200 of each for like 5 gold each

[slim coral]

He said which was better he never asked when

[sullen dove]

realge

[rare garnet]

this is what im seeing for my current gear

hunters have a dope consuable document to drop it all into advanced

[sullen dove]

is unholy like actually fun to play/more simple now or something

[smoky vale]

it plays the same

[sullen dove]

debating what i wanna use my 80 boost on and lvl a 5th char

[smoky vale]

you just have bomb ghouls

[sullen dove]

i mean do u still have to manage runes and rp and wounds and shit

[rare garnet]

very simple, but fun, if you like simple and lots of pets

[smoky vale]

yes

[sullen dove]

cringe

[undone flower]

yes

[smoky vale]

even though they removed wounds

[sullen dove]

surely they made it somewhat more streamlined no

[smoky vale]

there are still wounds

boost an enh shaman

that shit is fun

[rare garnet]

its very streamlined and it makes "sense" after about a day playing it

[sullen dove]

but are you like a thane in cds worried about what button to press to spend 3 different resources

or it doesnt matter and prio is simple enough

[rare garnet]

i think the runes and rp and wounds works really well

[smoky vale]

prio is simple

just slight afking sometimes

[undone flower]

gio sent a 50 condition apl line just few days ago

[sullen dove]

yea i think that was about undermine tier

im hoping

[smoky vale]

because you will have no runes or rp from pressing too much too fast

[smoky vale]

no that was in current apl

[sullen dove]

ok die

[smoky vale]

but also thats for robot optimization

not

wowhead

and its minmax to be used for dungeon routes

[sullen dove]

just the last time i played it in dragonflight i just recalled like "oh you have 75 wounds on a mob so you want to use scourge strike to pop them but also youre capped on rp so you want to death coil oh and youre capped on runes so you want to festering strike and apply more wounds"

shit like that is annoying

[smoky vale]

no its not like that

[undone flower]

udk is no longer ramp class since a while

[smoky vale]

eh

it still is

[sullen dove]

if its not bad like that then its prolly fine then

[undone flower]

not DF or bfa ramp

[sullen dove]

plus it is the best st dps in the game!!!!

inb4 kneecapped before raid

[smoky vale]

!!!

[smoky vale]

i pray this occurs

[sullen dove]

ok dk it is probably

[undone flower]

gg

[sullen dove]

the only like slightly cringe thing is i have a lvl 70 dk but i rly dont want to bother getting it from 70 to 80

so just boost moment

i guess

[undone flower]

gnome.

[sullen dove]

hell no

im torn between nightelves for looking the coolest but also double hearth human is so op

[undone flower]

Haranir can dk ?

[sullen dove]

but think on this rare occasion the swag will win out

nah

would pick them if so

but i dont wanna play a druid that bad

[undone flower]

Haranir can’t die confirmed

[sullen dove]

lock 10k more dps than warrior 5 ilvls lower

[rare garnet]

i mean its ramp is press 2 cooldowns and then do your rotation

[rare garnet]

i think dk will be fine, probably doenst get any more nerfs, they've already changed unholy a lot so im suspecting major nerfs to arms instead

[sullen dove]

yea true

[undone flower]

unnerfed udk is their raidbuff

[rare garnet]

they would still bitch about not having one

[undone flower]

i'll try it after i get bored of blood dk

[smoky vale]

sure but they deal more damage as their cds last which is ramp

[sullen dove]

do you not cast festering scythe if u dont need to on st

[smoky vale]

no

[sullen dove]

surely no like cringe cancelaura macro for it

[smoky vale]

wait you do

[sullen dove]

is it just free dam ig

[smoky vale]

bc its just free festering strike

[sullen dove]

o yea it also gives ghouls

cool ig

[fiery edge]

not even full vet gear outside renown champ track

[nocturne bluff]

How necessary is rend honestly?

Its only 3% of my damage and its a global.

[winter shoal]

in single target it's kinda whatever, it's like a 0.5% dps increase over just using RB instead

in aoe it's larger, a couple %

[nocturne bluff]

i specced out of bleeds entirely and went raging blow route

[winter shoal]

not gonna make or break you

[nocturne bluff]

yeah figured

[winter shoal]

this is probably not a good idea

[nocturne bluff]

Well, its yielding better ST results

for me

with the 30% attack speed

I've tested pretty thoroughly

on slayer

[winter shoal]

that sounds like you're probably misplaying the BT-focused build but also there's gonna be tuning on the 17th anyways so who knows where we'll end up

[nocturne bluff]

yeah

it could be that i'm not prioritising BT over Rampage/RB/Execute enough

[real flame]

hi guys is there a lot of difference in thaner and slayer or is it equal?

[brittle crow]

is there a way to tell if i already got the rep from voidstorm event this week

[rare garnet]

im somehow unlocked 1 arm fury warrior, my transmogs broken and i cant swap off using the artifact appearances and the 2nd weapon is hidden somehow

okay, ive got both weapons back but the game thinks im not using 2h swords so i cant xmog them to anything except artificat lol

[fiery edge]

time to torture myself by lvling with arms

[cerulean junco]

can anyone here who is doing good dps in m0's post their log (bosses and trash)? my relative dps is absolute garbage and need to know why

[signal falcon]

What did you do to achieve this

[rare garnet]

Not sure how many are logging m0s at this point.

[rare garnet]

No idea lol

Weird bug

[signal falcon]

“One-arm Fury” looks cool so if you can figure out how to replicate it that would be great lol

[cerulean junco]

how do you find your dps? i am pretty sure i have my rotation and talents down pat but doin upto 20% less single target damage than mages/rogues with lower ilvl gear

[bleak harness]

well , furry st is not that good tbh , more so true for MT build , so don't worry too much about it

[cerulean junco]

you think they will balance b4 season start? no way i'll get a spot with current dps lol

[bleak harness]

i sure hope to get some changes , but as fas as m+ go , i think fury is decent enough to not be touched again

[rare garnet]

I was trying to figure this out too and looks like advanced sims are defaulting to absolute dogshit food so panda looks bad and earthen stacked unless you manually set food

And quick sim maybe…? @edgy widget

[radiant plank]

not updated the defaults to midnight yet

[rare garnet]

Gotcha. Gotcha.

Little things we peasants just don’t think about normally.

[radiant plank]

but the top 3 is panda*/mechagnome/velf

*panda only good with primary stat food

[rare garnet]

Cause ilevel so low and I’m sure temporary I have Draenei above velf not worth it but funny.

Early season race important!!

[oblique pond]

Can we freely send adventurer crests? I know i am not supposed to send veteran crests but what about the adventurer?

[copper parcel]

wanted to clear something about diminishing return, is the penalty of stat is individual to each or if any one of the stat reach the threshold it will trigger diminising return?

[keen nimbus]

Does anyone know how we obtain the 2nd Spark of radiance on alts ?

i seem to be missing one (from the midnight tour quest) , which im not getting it seems

[hot shell]

You cant on alts, gotta wait for weekly reset for catchup mechanic to hit

[keen nimbus]

aight

ty

[edgy widget]

I thought Arma was gonna do it after our convo last week, but I suppose he deferred to me (since I was doing apl stuff anyway) and I never realized, so my fault

I'll fix it tomorrow

[summer quail]

www.youtube.com/shorts/weJBKHvIWpU idk if this works or not but might as well give it a try

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/weJBKHvIWpU

idk why the link didn't embed but whatever it worked now

[keen nimbus]

wauw it worked ty

[hot shell]

Huh, interesting. Neither of my alts have that quest even tho i did skip the campaign. Guess its tickettime, cause that spark wont fall from the sky

[radiant plank]

are you gonna send 2ndary or primary stat food

[winter urchin]

hey yall whats the most optimal heroc talent set up to use rn for mthics

mythics*

[radiant plank]

wowhead thane m+ build

[winter urchin]

ty

[cedar crescent]

Anyone know if conq wespon from PvP is worth farming?

[fading sky]

For pvp yes?

[cedar crescent]

I mean for PvE, the Conquest in SL was upgradeable to max PvE ilvl if you had enough raiting.

[fading sky]

No?

[waxen vale]

that hasn’t been the case since season 2 shadowlands

[fading sky]

It stopped at hc

[waxen vale]

yes it was. my denathrius kill was full pvp gear max pve ilvl

[fading sky]

Ever since s1 sl fuck shit

Yeye s1 was max which is why they reduced

[waxen vale]

word

[fading sky]

Being forced to pvp

That being said i always felt it was ok

Do more content get more gear faster

[limpid ridge]

hey any addon to track whirlwind stacks?

[delicate rock]

@limpid ridge IWT

[limpid ridge]

thx

[terse ether]

Arch mentioned for the spark to do the arcantina quest out of the 4 choices, I already did the delves one when I saw the post, but why arcantina? What did I miss? xD 🤣

[mossy fox]

nothing

[sour anvil]

what is the best trade-off in order to take Enraged Regen?

[radiant plank]

Drop 1 point from cruelty

[sour anvil]

oh wow but it looks like a quite bonus to BT?

[oblique pond]

its just really fast, buy 3 beers and then use them on 3 players

[lyric panther]

Thought I'd read in one of the guides dropping massacre was the choice

[honest trail]

I'd probably drop Massacre too

Especially in M+

Raid should be fine without ER

[sour anvil]

got it, tnx

[dapper estuary]

Anyone else on fury got some goofy ahh animations going on

My character is just like this for about 10 seconds in combat

https://tenor.com/view/maxwell-cat-gif-10523016553059324224

[dense elbow]

Yeah, Slayer especially got a lot of wonk atm

And animations and SFX just aint doing their job atm

Dont expect that to ever be fixed tho

[dapper estuary]

I play my enhance shaman and arcane mage and its like a work of art

I play my warrior and its just scuffed haha

[dense elbow]

Welcome to the class with War in the name, in an environment where they regret calling it War-craft

[fiery edge]

Ye got stuck in rampage animation

[limpid ridge]

iwt dosnt show me stacks idk why i reinstall it but still dont work anyone can help?

or its just buggy at the moment?

[flat river]

i still don't know why they made it so it reduces rampage rage cost

like

they just made the rotation bloated

when reck was 100% rage gen

we used 1 global

then rampage

etc

now

[fiery edge]

Prolly force us to stack 3x apex talent

[flat river]

we can use 3 rampages

in a row

which is stupid

[fiery edge]

Pretty sure blizz hates war

[fading sky]

Nah

Hates arms

[fiery edge]

Colossus still uses ravager

Hate that damn spell

[wooden lagoon]

We doing any shit crafts this week for embellishments

[dense elbow]

Great for burst windows tho if only we had abilities that did a ton of raw dam in a short amount of time (not haveing its value of press spread out over a longer period) to capitalise on this

[fading sky]

Like bladestorm🤣

[dense elbow]

Buff it, and it might fit the bill

[fading sky]

Yp

Hopefully

[dense elbow]

• The hurricane jr effect now grants 5% additional haste

is more likely

[fading sky]

Hear me out.

5% haste during.bladestorm

[flat river]

just make it:bladestorm cd reduced by 30 sec

boom

good

[fading sky]

Bladestorm buffed 100%

[dusk knot]

Is it good to craft 246 weap with embellish without spark ?

[fading sky]

?

Costs nothin

80 marks. 2nd weapon,free

So i mean u could

But u could also just chill🤣

[dusk knot]

what else would 2nd embellish be on ?

ye no worry just looking at my options

[fading sky]

Nothin so far?

[dusk knot]

okeoke

[fading sky]

But isnt it bracers?

[dusk knot]

prob bracers yeah

[fading sky]

I havent even looked into embellishment

S

[icy whale]

which gems/enchantments would you say are too good not to take right now? or nothing worth using until m+?

[dusk knot]

what sim highest is primal spore aapparently

[fading sky]

I wouldnt waste g

Until hc pieces tbh

Dependin on how fast u get there

[icy whale]

im 241 ilvl already

[fading sky]

U could enchant rings

Hc is higher m8

Heroic raid

[icy whale]

yeah of course but i think ill get that stuff week 1 :D

[fading sky]

Exactly

So then u enchant

Unless u mainly pug

Pug world is more toxic🤣

[icy whale]

i'll just spam keystone masters and aotc and hope for the best

and find a guild along the way

after 5 years my guild is very inactive