It wasnt for no reason. But yeah damage meters and unit frames have been driving me crazy
#fury
marble pilot
sullen tendon
I don’t!
marble pilot
It is so much harder to interrupt things now.
sullen tendon
They got rid of combat addons then tried to recreate them themselves and failed miserably now I have to hear idiots for the next 4 years say “give them more time they just started implementing it”
low folio
well they never intended on replacing everything 1 to 1
sullen tendon
As if the game company with 10000 employees have the impossible task of recreating something 3 people made 15 years ago
marble pilot
Im also in favor of in combat weakauras being dead. Out of combat weakauras is annoying af though.
Got like 20 addons doing what WAs alone did
sullen tendon
well they never intended on replacing everything 1 to 1
Yes like I said “let’s break and remove stuff for no reason to piss people off lol”
The only reason they actually removed addon stuff was to make the game easier to port to consoles
modest condor
oh you're one of those people
sullen tendon
Everything happening now is to prepare for console shit so they can sell a gamepass sub
modest condor
makes a lot of sense now
undone flower
The next Xbox will be a pc it will support addons
marble pilot
For me personally though if they can get the meter to show the info im am used to seeing. And make it so I know when a mob is casting and if I should care to inturrupt it or not. And if my target is who I think it is so I can actually hit that target I would be happy.
I struggle so hard to tell who im on and what mob is actually casting right now though. I generally get it. But not 100% like it was before
low folio
i mean isnt the re release of classic for a second time more well received than retail has been for a couple expansions now
sullen tendon
The next Xbox will be a pc it will support addons
The next Xbox will be controlled by ai that plays the game for you so you don’t have to. Isn’t it great!
sullen tendon
bro the combat addons were cancer
Details and dbm were great
wheat estuary
yeah but fights like ovi
sullen dove
dbm was pretty useless
marble pilot
Simple combat addons I liked. Complex addons that put a marker on the ground and told you to take 2 steps to the left and then in 4 seconds pop a cd were bad
wheat estuary
where you literally had to have an addon made to do that was crazy
sullen dove
its only actual useful purpose was like timers for mechanics which if they maybe plan to add in themselves idr if they did that or not then sure cant really make that look bad
i dont see any reason to have killed details like this though
sullen tendon
The real problem is that blizzard is so inept that they can’t improve on community created systems
sullen dove
some ppl just like looking at all the extra information like crit% and buffs and number of hits and stuff
killing weakauras was absolutely warranted
sullen tendon
its only actual useful purpose was like timers for mechanics which if they maybe...
Ok but their in game boss timers suck ass
undone flower
i dont see any reason to have killed details like this though
You would have combat addons through whatever details was based on
sullen tendon
They don’t tell you anything
wheat estuary
fights shouldnt be based around an addon doing a calculation and marking to put a big X on your screen saying GO HERE NOW or something you know, takes the whole gaming out of gaming
marble pilot
I do find it funny though when the arguement is they are dumbing down the game. But then also complaining that the addon that played the game for you is dead.
Did they dumb it down or get rid of the helper. Pick a lane.
sullen dove
i mean there'll probably be an addon to make them look better like details does
so long as they exist thats all u need though
young swan
i mean there'll probably be an addon to make them look better like details does
it already exists
sullen tendon
I do find it funny though when the arguement is they are dumbing down the game. ...
How did dbm or details play the game for you
unborn delta
ignore the ragebait
low folio
im pretty sure they removed the addons in preperation for making the game easier
sullen dove
yea i mean i didnt notice a differenceo n dimensius i think
sullen tendon
Dbm hasn’t been able to tell you where to go for like 12 years
sullen dove
maybe timers were a little stranger and like, mechanic notifications bugged out
young swan
Dbm hasn’t been able to tell you where to go for like 12 years
weakauras did tho
unborn delta
everything's strange
sullen dove
like loomithar would spam "YOU HAVE A TETHER ON YOU" 4 times whenever the mech goes out
young swan
which is very clearly what they're talking about
unborn delta
when you're a stranger
sullen tendon
weakauras did tho
Ok so just remove that individual thing.
sullen dove
just turn that off and use eyes ig
marble pilot
How did dbm or details play the game for you
DBM litterally tells you everything you need to do. Details doesnt matter though.
Also the argument is more for WAs solving most raid fights.
WA solving combat was the worst version of raiding.
undone flower
yea i mean i didnt notice a differenceo n dimensius i think
It was not fully updated yet, and Blizz pushed UI changes throughout prepatch
young swan
Ok so just remove that individual thing.
pretty much everything they did was to nuke weakauras
sullen tendon
It’s like getting a cut on your finger so the doctor decides to chop off your entire arm
sullen dove
me when im in an exaggerating competition and my opponent is
young swan
It’s like getting a cut on your finger so the doctor decides to chop off your en...
its more like you have gangrene in your finger so they chop off the hand to save the limb
sullen tendon
Weak auras was abused by world first raiders and we reap the consequences as usual
young swan
it was abused by EVERYONE
sullen dove
it was abused by everyone in the game
young swan
its not exclusive to them
sullen dove
the wf raiders just made them for everyone else
sullen tendon
Same with clsss balance same with boes same with all time gating
modest condor
you guys are arguing with someone who thinks they're removing addons to port the game to consoles, you're wasting your time
low folio
Blizzard is the only people with the numbers of subs and playbase and they dont release them anymore. they likely wouldnt do such drastic changes if the way things were was working long term
sullen dove
most irrelevant gear form in the game
ah yes spend 50 million gold for a 2 ilvl upgrade cluegi
young swan
Same with clsss balance same with boes same with all time gating
goal post shift, w concession
sudden tusk
The woke mind virus gave swordish a week one mythic boe and that's why he's in liquid now
sullen tendon
They nerfed boes in raid because world first guilds would just spend millions of gold to instantly out gear fights so blizzard solution was remove boes instead of fix the real problem
sullen dove
almost every addon change was warranted they did but i think gutting details was the worst of it
modest condor
the real problem is making any design decisions based on what the rwf does
sullen dove
its like the most harmless information available to let ppl quickly see things mid fight
sullen tendon
World first guilds abuse weak auras so blizzard kills weak auras
sullen dove
now you have to look through logs which is a lot more effort/not as easy of a ui
sullen tendon
Now world first guilds are just building their own weak auras to do the same thing anyways
modest condor
they absolutely did not kill weakauras because of rwf guilds lmao
sullen tendon
So weak auras died from nothing
sullen dove
im convinced this guy has everyone in here blocked and doesnt read any messages and just uses this server as like a public blogpost chatroom
sullen tendon
ah yes spend 50 million gold for a 2 ilvl upgrade cluegi
They do that lol
sullen tendon
Everyone who isn’t in wf
sullen dove
we get it normally multiple weeks after them
sullen tendon
No one can farm boes anymore
young swan
why not
sullen dove
who gives a fuuuuuuck
rwf guilds kill bosses 10-20 ilvl under everyone else in the game
the 2 ilvl gain they get is MEANINGLESS
sullen tendon
You asked about why wf matters
sullen dove
compared to everyone else
how is this some big point of yours rn who cares where they get gear from
normal noobs are not fuckin buying mythic boes ever in their life lol
even when they were plentiful
sullen tendon
They abuse systems, blizzard nerfs or removed systems in knee jerk reaction, regular players suffer the consequences, world first raiders continue anyways
sullen dove
you get gear from future weeks of content
no systems are abused they just have a lot of gold lol
undone flower
Bobby, you woke up the village
sullen dove
saying they buy a ton of boes is not "abusing a system"
sullen tendon
World first abuses fury warriors for 1 week and we suffer 3 years of consequences
young swan
oh u are really stupid
sullen dove
ok you gotta be on something
wind token
?
alpine palm
Got dang Bobby Boon found the keyboard again. We had it hidden, damn it reeeee
sullen dove
stop typing about world first ever please
quiet geyser
I miss roidstack
sullen tendon
saying they buy a ton of boes is not "abusing a system"
Blizzard designs a fight to not be able to cakewalk without gear. Wf just spends 100 million gold to buy gear. They kill boss blizzard doesn’t like they skipped what they wanted. Blizzard nerfs or removes boes. No one else can benefit from boes in the future.
sullen tendon
People make groups specifically to farm boes for gold and they are a nice thing to get when just normally raiding
sullen dove
from 2-3 more weeks of vault/raid reset
undone flower
It’s just a gamba to get dopamine when you do trashs each week
sullen tendon
Nice thing taken away because people abuse it
sullen dove
yes it is those groups actually why they got killed
ppl that only farm 500 trash mobs before the first boss of a raid and walk out and reset and farm them again
that is abysmal fucking grinding
sullen tendon
Weak auras useful and fun. People abuse it and nice thing get taken away.
sullen dove
that is why they killed boes cuz no one should ever do that
sullen dove
they are not useful and fun have you ever done mythic broodtwister
sullen tendon
still exist
They didn’t for a while
young swan
u know
sullen dove
they do just off like lieutenant mobs mostly
young swan
still usefukl
sullen dove
so you cant perma farm them before the first boss of a raid
undone flower
u just cant sell them
You can’t sell them until RWF is over
sullen tendon
so you cant perma farm them before the first boss of a raid
Thanks world first!
alpine palm
Idk man, as a newer player, WeakAuras were an extremely cumbersome barrier to entry
unborn delta
i need to ignore bobby im getting ragebaited just lurking here
young swan
yeah that seems fine i feel like
sullen dove
nah this is actually like 10/10 rb
young swan
whats the problem
sullen tendon
You guys are oblivious to these problems
sullen dove
absolutely nothing to do with world first but whatever floats your boat man
sullen tendon
absolutely nothing to do with world first but whatever floats your boat man
All class balance is based on world first
young swan
its not a problem
sullen dove
uh... no
sullen tendon
Uh yea
sullen dove
its based on everyone that plays the game lol
modest condor
has bobby said anything so far that is true?
sullen tendon
They let world first do their thing then nerf anything that stood out too much
young swan
no
modest condor
i dont think so
sullen dove
he said the details change was stupid
that is the only true thing
no reason for that to have happened
unborn delta
i want my deaths window back 
sullen tendon
If you only used weak auras to “play the game for you” then you were the contributor to why it was removed.
olive wraith
Did yall see his kit change cooks
unborn delta
yea
sullen dove
what does your statement even mean
unborn delta
replace apex with single button rotation with no gcd handicap
alpine palm
If you only used weak auras to “play the game for you” then you were the contrib...
...did your group raw dog Myth Fractilus?
sullen tendon
what does your statement even mean
Weak auras didn’t only do alerts and things
sullen dove
some bosses were unplayable with weakauras, fortunately not many of them last expansion compared to previous, but the 2 or 3 that did need them were terrible
ya ik a lot were ui
and guess what
there are now ui addons that do the same thing as those ui weakauras
unborn delta
stix sucked setting up was
undone flower
has bobby said anything so far that is true?
unborn delta
northernsky vs liquid in pugs was terrible
young swan
sprocketschlonger
sullen tendon
Ok cool so they removed something that worked fine and now people need to scrounge for scraps to make 700 individual addons
The antithesis of what they wanted
young swan
i think i use like 3 addons to replicate what I had with WA
unborn delta
im still rawdogging the game tbh
olive wraith
Relying on a third party program to do an encounter is horrible
sullen dove
broodtwister prolly worst boss last xpac for that
olive wraith
I don’t see how that’s an argument
sullen dove
sprocket could almost be doable without weakauras just a bit more work but its not unreasonable
just like quick vocal assignments for bomb pops or whatever i think was the main thing
did stix even need weakauras
quiet geyser
Na bro I need the WA to tell me red or blue!
sullen dove
they like helped but not very complicated in that way than just pick up balls run over adds and stuff
unborn delta
no but people would set them up then get assigned to the wrong quadrant
sullen dove
yea
unborn delta
so 2x would go to diamond because one person had northernsky and one had liquid
unborn delta
then both would hit a crab
sudden tusk
Sprocket was def weakaura designed
unborn delta
and the big bomb would wipe us
sudden tusk
You would have to change the entire flights timing to support no wa
sullen dove
it was only for bombs no
undone flower
only
sullen dove
if you add a couple more seconds to bomb clears and like maybe a bit more breathing room from mechs when u had to pop em
but think you could just have like a set amount of people pre position
like 1 blue one red far etc
unborn delta
ah
sudden tusk
The 4 bombs yeah the issue is the rest of the mechanics also had to get pushed back
If s mechanic hit a bomb it was also a wipe
low folio
oh shit i didnt realize they finally let fury tmog one handers
unborn delta
for sprocket they shouldve made it so you need a red and blue to combine on the bomb to disarm it
sullen dove
ya they should totally do that and so we can blow it off smoove even more
unborn delta
then you wouldnt need was
junior oyster
oh shit i didnt realize they finally let fury tmog one handers
Daggers and fists too, its the best
undone flower
I think colors would be more deterministic if no WA
coarse nest
They should design mechanics for the deaf and blind that way you wouldn’t possibly be able to fail if you have those unhindered abilities
sullen dove
classic's next door down
coarse nest
They should give us mechanics we can inflict on the boss to make the fight easier for the player
unborn delta
boss has to catch the swirly or else we get a stacking damage amp
coarse nest
Right click should kill the boss so you can loot the exact item you want at 100% chance
low folio
they should give more classes the ability to move teamates mid combat for purely innocent reasons
unborn delta
warrior intim shout works on allies
coarse nest
Intervene makes the target charge you
unborn delta
you can grab a friend when you heroic leap
coarse nest
Rally mass grips all raid members within 40 yds
clever path
Hey guys, how large is the difference between Thane and Slayer in ST and AoE?
young swan
not very in either direction
certainly for the time being, you can just play whatever you prefer
unborn delta
go slayer when you want to spin and thane when you want to shoot lightning
echo rapids
If you are a big fan of your characters stomp the ground animation play thane
olive wraith
Or thunder sfx
marble pilot
Yeah tblast might be the best sounding spell in the game
olive wraith
Leap sounds great too
tawny helm
any important macros i should have, or where can i find them for fury warr slayer?
echo rapids
You can grab the macro that casts reck and avatar together, and also used potions trinkets and racial
rare garnet
If you are a big fan of your characters stomp the ground animation play thane
This is almost exclusively the reason I play slayer
echo rapids
This is almost exclusively the reason I play slayer
Playing thane is like playing BM Hunter
Too many of your attacks are silly boring animations
Slayer is just spinning death constantly
rare garnet
Also the reason I don’t like my BM even though I like my BM, visual feedback is poop
marble pilot
Opinions be weird. Tblast crushes reap/bladestorm for animations.
rare garnet
Crazy take
I as a fury warrior should attack with my weapons not stomp madly like a petulant child
brittle crow
both are good
marble pilot
Bladestorm might be my least favorite warrior animation.
marble pilot
Stomp summon lightning and get to swinging with the real animations.
Or spin in circles like a petulant child.
I kid though. Opinions be what they are. As long as we all hate demolish together
rare garnet
100
olive wraith
any important macros i should have, or where can i find them for fury warr slaye...
Stance macro is pretty good
lofty forge
Fury feels horrid
mortal ivy
Opinions be weird. Tblast crushes reap/bladestorm for animations.
You must have not played enhancement stormbringer yet it puts Tblast to shame not only visually lighting but also damage wise
Even when you press storm strike your weapons charge with lighting strikes
marble pilot
Shamans cant tank so no I haven't.
mortal ivy
If only season of discovery shaman tanks where a thing in retail
marble pilot
Also I feel like whenever I have seen shaman gameplay it sounds like a lot of wooshing sounds. Not the meaty boom that tblast has
Like shamans are windy
olive wraith
Fury feels horrid
Anything specific
mortal ivy
Nah it’s like crackling lighting sounds they got our old warbreaker animation the jump smash skill to but makes lighting
lofty forge
Anything specific
damage output and small gaps in rotation
marble pilot
Nah it’s like crackling lighting sounds they got our old warbreaker animation th...
Yeah its crackling and windy sounding.
Where as tblast sounds like thunder.
wicked eagle
damage output and small gaps in rotation
Generally theres always something to press?
marble pilot
Isnt there literally always something to press?
olive wraith
damage output and small gaps in rotation
Gaps? What hero tree
marble pilot
Even if its rend/ww/slam there is still something you can hit if the big stuff is all on cd/procless
lofty forge
Gaps? What hero tree
Thane m plus spec
lofty forge
Are you pressing bt on cooldown
yes
olive wraith
Clap too?
lofty forge
ye but i should also press in when its not precced ye?
lofty forge
roger
olive wraith
Not sure how you’re running out of stuff to press
Also are you comparing yourself in m0?
whole fable
is it just me or does the final hit of rampage usually not make a sound?
olive wraith
Kinda weird state rn where stuff dies pretty quick. Thane needs sustain
lofty forge
Not sure how you’re running out of stuff to press
not tried m0 yet
olive wraith
Heroics even more so
cobalt horizon
I’ve been a warrior main since day one vanilla, and I’ll still raid on it… but I levelled an Unholy DK and its rework is so good it just makes warrior feel so bad/boring. They’re pretty much better in every way 😞
mortal ivy
Heroics even more so
That’s because in heroics ques eveyone gets the 15% bonus health damage and healing. So you automatically doing more and mobs don’t have more health. MOs if your 230+ everything dies fast aswell. So it’s hard to really see damage without sustain time on pulls
mortal ivy
It’s like right now every class in the game can do insane damage with cool downs and warriors… we do sustain damage with cool downs 😂
alpine palm
Generally theres always something to press?
I think its mostly due to low haste but after completing my M0 world tour there were a really unfortunate number of times where Im just sitting there pressing Whirlwind/Rend waiting for a better button to become available
olive wraith
Low haste won’t alter the rotation dramatically
alpine palm
But again, Haste is my lowest substat at the moment
Don't think so? More haste, more rage
I definitely could be overestimating how much haste speeds up rage generation
olive wraith
Most of our rage gen comes from abilities
alpine palm
Oh derp and haste will lower cooldowns slightly too, but again, whether or not a couple hundred haste will make it play much differently, I do not know
smoky vale
only time you feel haste in terms of rage generation is in lust
alpine palm
ahh
smoky vale
its the biggest change in haste we get
not changing gear in prepatch were gear is fake
and all you are wearing is highest ilvl
rough sandal
Do you sim with raidbot ? I'm behind my tank with same ilvl
alpine palm
I run sims, ye, though the current Raidbots APL is being worked on and may change even moreso in the next week or two
Basically, take sims with a grain of salt atm
rough sandal
K ty
echo rapids
It’s really hard to go wrong with a crafted weapon as fury
undone flower
yeah it is not that deep for us
junior gale
Hold craft till after the first myth track vault. Even then still not a big deal because craft wep just goes to your offhand.
late night
hello best embelish for fury atm ?
olive wraith
Wowhead should have it
haughty carbon
Do we cycle Thunderclap / blast > Rampage during avatar on Thane ?
young swan
in aoe, yeah, pretty much
hollow quiver
is it possible to cap veteran dawncrests this week?
once you've done the dungeons and Prey quests what is left?
undone flower
You can do random preys
hollow quiver
ok
undone flower
Talk to the npc at the prey edgy room
hollow quiver
yeah yeah I know
serene moat
Talk to the npc at the prey edgy room
Do they give veteran crests?
hollow quiver
in hard mode yeah?
undone flower
Hard random do
serene moat
Oh
undone flower
Idk myself but someone else here capped their vet crests like that
I didn’t do it yet
naive umbra
Hey guys, can you help me pls?
Which neck is better for fury warrior from lvl 9 renown amani
Any idea?
marble pilot
I havnt even looked. I plan to take whatever has more haste
And just assume that one is better. Till I replace it with whatever ilvl neck I get that is hero/myth track
naive umbra
97 críit and 108 haste or 97 versatility and 108 mastery
Hmm i guess haste it is then
marble pilot
Yeah Id assume the haste wins.
marble pilot
And its only champ track. You should be replacing it with basically any hero track neck on the week of the 17th
Unless we end up crafting a neck. But thats easy as well. I havnt looked into full bis much yet.
naive umbra
Hopefully yeah, Thanks man
cinder pivot
Hi, I am using raidbot with Simcraft and it isnt registering any upgrades needed. I have plenty of 200+ ilvl items and simming wants me to keep all my lower stat/ilvl stuff. Anyone else experiencing this?
summer quail
Hi, I am using raidbot with Simcraft and it isnt registering any upgrades needed...
link sim?
cinder pivot
tepid lily
not that, the raidbots link
cinder pivot
oh
tepid lily
cinder pivot
it's suggesting I switch a ring out but I have much higher ilvl pieces for other slots. I dont get it.
fast wasp
probably raw stats on the ring
olive cobalt
Maybe out of my depth here but your simc input seem to have mainly jewelry, I'm assuming simc doesn't care about stamina since it's comparing dps between gear combos so your old items with sockets and enchants will have higher value for the simulation ?
For back slot I guess the proc from Reshii Wraps outweighs the gain in primary stat in your case
cinder pivot
Ohhhh, ok, I appreciate the feedback. That would make sense. I thought my raidbot was broken. lol
static loom
For necks/rings, the amount of stats gained from gems/enchants is higher than the stats the new ones have from higher itemlevel until you start getting some WQ/dungeon items
And for the cloak, as a guideline, it's worth keeping until you get a new one at 240+ itemlevel
cinder pivot
Oh, wow, okay! good to know! Thank you. 🙂
loud locust
yo anyone know where in the cathedral square the skip for quests for midngiht is?
sullen dove
like the moment you talk to liadrin she should say "skip intro"
loud locust
yea i did one chapter on accident but i finished the whole tihng on main and it saids go to cathedral square to skip
but i dont see her
wait
nvm
it only skips intro
sullen dove
ya
loud locust
lmao
hardy shuttle
mortal ivy
any thane fury warriors at 231+ sim your 5 target aoe? whats it looking like?
or how ever many targets you normally sim your aoe at
tawny helm
should i swap out my drum for the banner, or is drum better ya reckon?
wicked ledge
Sorry if this has been asked a million times but why does rend exist when TC applies rend?
wicked ledge
so it's just aoe filler?
hexed wave
As thane you never click rend. If anything you would use whirlwind as filler
wicked ledge
ok
what a waste of a talent
and any particular use for wrecking throw?
just a point to get to othe talents on the branch?
unique cobalt
hey sorry if this has been asked before but how close are MT and Slayer in a mythic+ setting?
undone flower
what a waste of a talent
thunderclap applies rend only if you have rend talented
static loom
and any particular use for wrecking throw?
It's just above rend and rb in prio on single target
frosty scroll
Unrelated question but whats the best race overall for fury nowadays, how goods haranir? 🧎♂️
brittle crow
the one that looks nice enough to u to justify staring at all raid night
echo rapids
Unrelated question but whats the best race overall for fury nowadays, how goods ...
Whatever you think looks good
brittle crow
everything else is a rounding error
frosty scroll
Haranir females look so good, i might go away from gnome
stoic loom
Haranir females look so good, i might go away from gnome
damn didnt know you were freaky like that
brittle crow
cursed sentence
frosty scroll
ye been a male gnome for years now xd
spare steppe
wowhead fixed the toy 😭
limpid elbow
yo
is this war within season 3 or midnight?
it says war within then i scroll down and it says midnight
then it says war within again
obtuse palm
and any particular use for wrecking throw?
There are quite a few mobs in dungeons that have absorb shields on them so its useful for that
Also silences the mob for 3 secs (with the talent) which you can use on a casting mob to force him in group. Actually adds a bit utility
sullen dove
this shit looks crazy
smoky vale
where from
young swan
random from prey bags pretty sure
lost thorn
got it from prey
young swan
yeah thats what i said
lost thorn
lel
sullen dove
yerp
brittle crow
all from prey?
reef laurel
so is MT or Slayer doing better with release for dgs?
young swan
it dont mattta
dapper goblet
@sullen dove destroy gio
fiery edge
Didn’t get the sword from hard prey 
smoky vale
xeos gotta be my #1 fanboy
sullen dove
<@593536556472729602> destroy gio
bought early access ended it at a crisp level 81 on monday evening
🔥
big investment
dapper goblet
wowzers
warm siren
What’s the fastest way to level when calamitous isn’t up?
sullen dove
just leveled 4th character in like 4 and a half hours that was cool
just do zorthas vid questing
its lite work
smoky vale
me and gajeel doing big dungeons
sullen dove
let his meat rest
slim coral
me and gajeel doing big dungeons
Quit bouncing on it bud
sullen dove
can easily send adventurer crests on the blue gear assuming you havent used all of it
actually 0 reason to save
will never be able to use that much
unborn delta
true 200 advcrests = 10 ugprades
sullen dove
i wouldve gotten adventurer of dawn achieve if i didnt spend 80 on weapon week zero gg
keen kindle
my ending ilvl
genuine gaming]
sullen dove
also 7% haste what am i lookin at
keen kindle
My main is stuck at 220 because I went to level and gear my alt 
sullen dove
whats on the 21st lol
unborn delta
m+\
sullen dove
halfway through the week?
unborn delta
i guess bro
strong monolith
I hit 240 today.
sullen dove
also stats prolly not mattering till way after that anyway lol
gonna be giga grinding for ilvl firstly
keen kindle
Dosen't matter until we're at least done with intital M+ farm in the first week
strong monolith
Sitting at 21% haste and 31% mastery. Game feels good again
sullen dove
damn even st build is really using bs?
havent looked at talents since last week
cring if so..
keen kindle
ah yes leeme just make 3 talents in my hero tree useless
sullen dove
i mean ask blizz lol not sure what dumbasses places that on a choice node with ava lol
keen kindle
We're back here again
sullen dove
just strange that 1 bladestorm every ~90s is better than 2 avatars in the same amount of time
sullen dove
yea not as much without am doe
keen kindle
Yes but....it's still more like a minute at least
scarlet shale
it throws out free bts is the thing
sullen dove
losing 3-4 hits of unhinged BB seems too good to give up
fiery edge
stuck at green belt because i fucked up by clearing the weekly quest first before getting renown in halthar
or what ever the place called
keen kindle
stuck at green belt because i fucked up by clearing the weekly quest first befor...
Level blacksmithing
Or buy one
sullen dove
but on my alt i literally accepted the quest and instantly had it finished
keen kindle
sullen dove
without doing the weekly on the alt
sullen dove
damn bruh they really did kill this crucible trink huh sayin other random world quest trinks i have 9 ilvls lower is like 1.5% better
fiery edge
Level blacksmithing
sullen dove
he's busy doing zul aman campaign on his first toon still
fiery edge
can blizz just mash rend into ww
keen kindle
The master ragebaiter
sullen dove
mm its saturday tomorrow
i dont want to lvl another toon again but since dmf goin away maybe i should
finish the 5th one for max achieve pogging
cuz dont think ima gaf about leveling for the next month anyway
sullen dove
nocturne bluff
WR spire. The ST on my thane build has gotten way better too
sullen dove
o there is a sim notification that they dont know if trinket buffs affect instances? or surely they mean raids
feel like someone couldve noticed if buff proc was longer or not in a dungeon
brittle crow
i love dundun
rare garnet
dun dun
full siren
fury still dookie
sullen dove
nup
fiery edge
WR spire. The ST on my thane build has gotten way better too
the typical M+ thane build?
surreal token
do we save vet crests?
surreal token
even adventurer?
young swan
u can spend adventurer
surreal token
why are we saving vet?
brittle crow
u can spend adventurer
just because u can doesnt mean u should
young swan
might get a champ piece during heroic week and waste crests
sullen dove
adventurer are irrelevant but vet has "some" use to be saved as if you get a 1/6 champ piece either from rep or when m0's are buffed or normal raid if you max upgrade vet you save 20 champ which is helpful
sullen dove
just because u can doesnt mean u should
you should
adventurers are worthless
for anyone that does m0
young swan
just because u can doesnt mean u should
no there is 0 reason no to spend adventurer
brittle crow
upgrading them?
surreal token
adventurer are irrelevant but vet has "some" use to be saved as if you get a 1/6...
what will m0 gear be when buffed?
sullen dove
you can cap out adventurer crests this week already with good rng
im only 40 crests away from never using adventurers again cuz i misused some week 0
young swan
the 17th iirc
sullen dove
presumably when raid releases on 17 yea but idr
surreal token
what ilvl I meant
young swan
246
surreal token
oh nice
sullen dove
should be same as renown gear 246 1/6 champ
surreal token
so it is worth saving vet crests then
sullen dove
but the reason you might save veterans is if you have a vet piece in that slot, you upgrade the vet to max 250 and then u save 20 champs on that piece
so all your champ gear is 2/6 or 250 for free effectively
i do reaaaaally want to upgrade my m0 weapon tho
has me foaming at the mouth
surreal token
yeah I've got a vet piece here that would be really nice to blast to 250
but I'll hold
thx gents
sullen dove
yea only solace is that nothing matters atm
and being 240 already more than gaming for m0 next week
but on the 17th is time to get to work
brittle crow
you can cap out adventurer crests this week already with good rng
are u not supposed to get the achievement before touching ur crests
surreal token
oh
sullen dove
so 17th your only gear comes from normal/heroic raid
surreal token
so we're gonna have 3 weeks of M0 farming available?
sullen dove
are u not supposed to get the achievement before touching ur crests
yea i mean im not sure if theres some trade up crest system as a reason to save to "quickly get a bunch of vets" that you otherwise have to farm some extra preys for
surreal token
are u not supposed to get the achievement before touching ur crests
can u link that doc
sullen dove
but from like a holding to gain ilvl perspective solely i dont think it matters in the slightest
surreal token
nah i'm a noob
sullen dove
only 40 adventurer crests away on rings from never even thinking about them again
brittle crow
only 40 adventurer crests away on rings from never even thinking about them agai...
u think about them to upgrade them
sullen dove
upgrade what 237 is max ilvl for adventurers
sullen dove
what like turn adventurer into veteran?
brittle crow
yea vet not champ
sullen dove
yea thats what i said if there was any possible reason to save it would be that but unless its magically like, excess vets i think thatd only be in place to let you be able to farm them less
so like, its maybe less effort in the long run but dont think ur gear is ruined or anything for doing so
sullen dove
yea i just wanted to be a crisp 240
brittle crow
im a long run type gamer
sandbagging and saying fury is bad so i dont have to try too hard week 1
sullen dove
tru
regardless youll make up all the crests you dont go above and beyond farming for when you have actual repeatable content
or just a lot more sources
like add a raid to all this shit then excess champs gained become vet and you hit the vet cap that much faster
nightmare preys presumably will also give champ crests
so it is p irrelevant regardless
im trying to warrant myself a reason to use vet crests tho lets math it out right, spawn into raid on 17th with 300/400 vet crests, meaning if you get champ slot, its only 20 vets per piece at 15 total pieces, and you would only want to use vets when you get a champ slot in that item, so the 100 excess you get that week should technically be free to use now... ergo i think i could upgrade my weapon and be fine...
but ill just wait till i get 300 vets next week at minimum ig
sullen dove
think the more annoying issue tho would be like, you get a champ piece and you actively want to farm/get a lower ilvl piece on vet track in that same slot
which honestly i think armor stacking would go huge for, except i dont think theres like reliable ways to get vet, unless heroic dungeons get buffed along with m0's to vet track which seems unlikely it would be pretty low rng to get a ton of vet pieces in your slots, regardless tho it does mean save all your vet pieces in a slot if you already have a champ item there
brittle crow
no armor stack for me
sullen dove
you could even do the upgrade thing now if you happen to get a vet item on a renown track, like vet helm/neck or waist, just not trinket cuz need 2
brittle crow
the clothies guilt tripped me into being their tank
sullen dove
should check if i actually sold one of those or not on item restore idr if i got any dupes but i dont think i did
ah thats right i got a vet chestplate as my second piece
surreal token
from now on, all jewelry pieces drop with 1 socket and can't be upgraded further?
surreal token
but helm,wrists,belt,boots can be socketed from the special vendor?
brittle crow
ah thats right i got a vet chestplate as my second piece
i did my preys and got nothing but duplicates in the slots i already have
sullen dove
probably with vault coins
brittle crow
im cooked already
surreal token
vendor what?
sullen dove
the moment you get a 246 champ item in that slot from 17th m0's or normal raid you upgrade the vet to max and save the 20 champ crests
the 2 hard prey rewards a week
that are vet track
i just item restored a chestplate duplicate
brittle crow
im wondering wtf u were on about
sullen dove
i was like "how tf r we gonna make sure we get vet track"
me when im wearing all vet track
o but that does mean u do actually want to keep vet pieces in the same slot as your renown pieces rn tho
shouldve looked at that too welp 24 hour item restore cd
brittle crow
uhhhhhhhhhhh i guess u would yea
sullen dove
so getting an item drop in your renown slot is a good thing
sullen dove
no
but dats the point the vet piece is upgraded to 250 for only 20 vet crests, because its free up to 246 (the champ 1/6 ilvl), and then once the vet is 250 you upgrade the champ piece for free to 250
surreal token
is there anything you need to do with the Voidstorm Renown trinket?
sullen dove
thats like what you are gonna be supposed to be doing with normal>herioic and heroic>mythic
surreal token
after getting it?
sullen dove
but didnt realize u can do it now
uh the guy should have some weekly to do 3 world quests in the zone and get another charge of the console thing thats how u buff it
brittle crow
u just need to get the initial 3 buffs right
sullen dove
sims dont include the buff tho cuz i guess they not sure if it'll apply while in raid, but yea should have all 3 before raid
like buff 2 next week buff 3 opening raid week
fiery edge
only 40 adventurer crests away on rings from never even thinking about them agai...
damn nice blue mog for thane
sullen dove
is item restoration supposed to tell me whats a vet piece
yea 233 from prey or wouldve dropped out of m+ at 240 but pmuch only purple is vet or above yea
rare garnet
Vibe gaming is bis back to 22% haste and can’t care if I’m missing a tiny bit of damage cause it feels better
sullen dove
so look back to whenever u did m0s and see if you sold any in the renown slots, pmuch just helm/neck/belt idk if you wouldve sold a trinket
sullen dove
yea i mean or you just didnt happen to get it I think anyone wouldve only sold a helm/neck or belt drop out of m0 knowing they already had champ one or could get it
sullen dove
so if you dont think you remember the disappointment of "fuck one of my drops was a renown slot" then gg
oh thats good
get the renown necklace then if you dont have it already
amani abundance shit its only like renown 8
sullen dove
but then once u get the champ piece you should be able to take the vet to 250 for 20 crests then upgrade the renown thing
brittle crow
cuz im waiting for it to be the one i havent done yet
sullen dove
it only takes like 3 minutes for the initial quest
or if you ahve limited mats i dont rly knwo how it works
i dont think the like loaknit intro quest whatever costs a shard tho? idk
brittle crow
i did it already
sullen dove
gg
brittle crow
im talking abt the followup u get
every time i look its in the damn crypts
i want this shit out of my log
!!
brittle crow
only 40 adventurer crests away on rings from never even thinking about them agai...
bad luck andy
missing the harandar rep item too
need to do quests
sullen dove
need to do world quests wutdaheeelllyyyy
boots strugglin
rest not bad tho
isnt that the cool astral antenna esque trink
30 strength balls
sullen dove
ever notice it doing anything
or is it kinda mid
like if it stacks up a bunch
or just like 1 proc a minute
brittle crow
uhhhh the pickups are rly hard to see so honestly i dont notice em
i assume it does something
sullen dove
cluegi
sullen dove
and they dont fly into you assuming
brittle crow
nop
sullen dove
surely can make some transmitter esque addon that knows when a ball spawns so you can just start randomly spinning around a pack of mobs fishing for it
sullen dove
gargantuan
sullen dove
explosion
that is actually kind of cool thinking about it now tho
there is a real decentish reason to be farming m0s right now and you would like to have a full set of vet gear
cuz a full set saves you at max like 300 champ crests (assuming you get a vet in every slot and all your champ gear drops at 1/6)
obv will probably be a lot less with later normal/heroic drops dropping at higher than 1/6 champ
but this probably is the most significant "pre season gearing" as been
even if it is just saving some normal ilvl crests for when they all get replaced by m+ hero track gear the week after lol
but we will be GAMERS for heroic week with this tech
brittle crow
holy abundance
idk what happened but we were filling up the 10k meter every like 5 sec
im reveling in all the divinely abundant boons
brittle crow
it was me n one guardian druid
sullen dove
wack
brittle crow
wack
hitting 10k triggered the bonus and the bonus was more than enough to hit 10k again
and again
the one in voidstorm might just be cracked like that
quiet breach
brittle crow
prob when raid is actually open
splits start the 17th
huge
oop im adventurer capped now
smoky nacelle
If you are veteran capped now, do you save them for season 1? Or use them now
brittle crow
u save for when u have a champ item in the slot
smoky nacelle
u save for when u have a champ item in the slot
Gracias
brittle crow
Gracias
reason being u want to have enough to be able to immediately upgrade the vet slot before u replace it with champ
that way ur first champ upgrade is free
so if u have vet pants and get champ pants, then use ur vet crests to upgrade ur pants to 6/6
to save 20 champ crests
smoky nacelle
that way ur first champ upgrade is free
That was the part I was confused about.
brittle crow
if u yolo it and spend vet crests now then u might be vet broke when u need em
and u dont NEED the ilvl now, ur doing more than enough dmg to clear content at 220-235
sullen dove
i think you can spend vets on a single item and not be completely fricked up
but also u dont really ahve to
i did just get lucky did 1 dungeon on my lock got 2 renown pieces
the tech does work
brittle crow
cap is 200, a single item is 80
sullen dove
brittle crow
scary value proposition
sullen dove
a single item is 60 from current m0's
and cap will be 300 out of 400 when raid opens
when you will actually use them
brittle crow
60 rounds up to 80
sullen dove
cluegi
smoky nacelle
i think you can spend vets on a single item and not be completely fricked up
I got lucky and got a mythic 0 2hander upgraded with vet crests 😆
sullen dove
after confering with guild it seems my initial thoughts were mostly right however one small caveat that i hadnt thought of is if you by some stroke of misfortune dont end up getting fully kitted out in vet and are missing a piece or two, you can spend 80 vet crests to craft a 246
fiery edge
only 40 adventurer crests away on rings from never even thinking about them agai...
dood can i see ur mog
sullen dove
which i suppose might also be like one of the major reasons to save them, but like seems suske to drop that many vets on only 1/6 champ equivalent, however if you are actually that down bad for gear maybe its good to have the option to not walk into raid with your char wearing half blues
u are seeing it no
smoky nacelle
I assume most of us are crafting a 259 day 1 of the season?
sullen dove
probably, i guess myth crests wont be out till later yea but no reason wouldnt be able to craft right away
aside from the gold/concentration saved not having to recraft it a week later
smoky nacelle
You can probably get the 80 heroic crests day one via delves and mythics tour
sullen dove
maybe less of a reason to make me want to use vets on weap if its instantly getting outclassed by logging into the game
yea you will def never be spending heroic crests on that weapon
and never say something like that again
but ye
farming heroics will be nice in delves assuming they drop em
surely they would
smoky nacelle
8+ I thought
sullen dove
demo lock on the supposed wrong hero talent and 10 ilvls lower than my warrior sims 20% higher than my warrior 
smoky vale
smoky turret
is there a way to sim different protocol of erratic energies or is there a go to one?
fading sky
demo lock on the supposed wrong hero talent and 10 ilvls lower than my warrior s...
Tbf he is human
ripe shore
How do we feel about this trinket? No mention of it on wowhead so presumably not good but on-use mastery doesn't sound that bad
Ah, it's not gonna line up with reck etc, shit.
fading sky
Would be good, if we were a 1.5m class
mossy valley
hello how do you farm vet crests?
golden plover
Not sure which channel to post this.
As a fury main for multiple expansions, this is the first I am considering switching.
The levelling experience (not early access) has been unenjoyable and lackluster.
Even running a few dungeons on HC; Mountain Thane lacked oomph.
Any other have a similar experience or thoughts to share?
fading sky
No
Fury is good atm
Thane does good dmg in a bursty way
So if u are unable 2 align it hurts a bit
But u must ignore, dk lock mage numbers
Very overtuned and bursty so they snipe adds
ripe shore
Been having more fun/success in m0s as Slayer as opposed to Thane, probably overall worse but give it a try if you think Thane lacks oomph
fading sky
Been having more fun/success in m0s as Slayer as opposed to Thane, probably over...
Same tbh,but thane on big pulls does not lack omph
Small pulls ofc makes thane sadder vs slayer
golden plover
Thanks lads. Will give Slayer a go in dungeons.
lime vortex
There have been hotfixes the past few days with bug fixes for most classes, but no mention of the /cancelaura on Rampaging Ruin, any chance it's actually intentional to be able to /cancelaura?
fickle dirge
There have been hotfixes the past few days with bug fixes for most classes, but ...
I hope it is intentional, because without it the talent is unusable imo
lime vortex
I haven't even tried it yet lol, kinda just assumed it'd get bugfixed, but hasn't yet, might just have to and get used to it
fiery edge
adrenaline rush with thane on big pull
fiery edge
well mountain king is a boomer anyway
ember garden
i want a mod that replaces tclap animation and sound with ww otherwise it just feels wrong
glass egret
what weapons enchants are we running with in Mountain thane m+ build
radiant plank
sim yo self
any of the 2ndary stat ones are good tho
like arcane mastery + jan'alais precision
glass egret
thanks
mossy fox
are people burning gold on weapon enchants already 
summer quail
what weapons enchants are we running with in Mountain thane m+ build
ignore the stat weights part
glass egret
i'm just doing my research
summer quail
are people burning gold on weapon enchants already <:critcake:984549832511344640...
hell no. i have 200k to my name, not buying enchants til mythic raid
honest trail
No enchants before raiding
haughty carbon
I noticed that Reap the Storm doesn’t seem to show up in the SimulationCraft damage breakdown. When comparing Thane vs Slayer on a 6 min Dungeon Slice, the sim shows about an 8% gap without it.
Could that mean the specs are actually closer in DPS than the sim suggests? Curious to hear what others think.
dense elbow
Well, as Reap is the top dam of Slayer, that would be an issue if true
Mind giving a link to the sim?
haughty carbon
Good see, thanks
cerulean junco
How does everyone's DPS look on m0's? i think i am doing something horrendously wrong being barely above the tank on dps
for context ilvl 226 gear, only average 22k single target dps on dummies following rotations in wowhead/method.gg
olive cobalt
If any of you want to sim the drum with a different secondary stat proc you can modify the line in the simc input
trinket1=,id=248583,bonus_id=13183/6652/12774```
Just need to replace the correct bonus_id for it :
- 13183: crit
- 13184: haste
- 13185: mastery
- 13186: versatilityI didn't see the option for it in raidbots and it seemed to work fine for me, just a warning since the checksum isn't valid anymore
dense elbow
How does everyone's DPS look on m0's? i think i am doing something horrendously ...
You are likely doing something wrong, but it could just be gear. 22k sounds a bit low on ST, but depending on fight that could make sense. I Just did a windspire - last boss looked like this:
So I wouldnt worry about it at all
(also dont compare yourself to Druid tanks or Monks, they are currently overperforming - arguably monk is where tanks should be)
cerulean junco
You are likely doing something wrong, but it could just be gear. 22k sounds a bi...
i think i worked out my problem
- prioritising bloodthirst over rampage
- not having skilled improved ww + meat cleaver (went pure single target dps build)
- not doing recklessness + bladestorm together
rare garnet
I can’t tell humans and GPT apart anymore
crimson prairie
rare garnet
not interested in alts so ive run out of midnight to play, time to fish i guess
sour frigate
skill issue locks usually pump like 35k there
wispy jay
Hey guys, how did fury apm change when going into midnight? I like playing fast paced specs with minimal / no downtime. Outlaw rogue lost like 20apm heading into midnight and has energy issues so I was wondering how things are for fury
dense elbow
We still the same as always
we always have, and always will - fill every single GCD
even we got lower CD on berserker, so you can spam it off GCD to get some more APM for free
bitter palm
fury has no off gcd spells so ur apm entirely depends on how much haste u got
dense elbow
The fear immunity
we also got taunt, pummel
intervene in melee too is some APM gains
we can degen it
bitter palm
chatting
dense elbow
If ppl ask about APM, and I already mentioned GCD being fille
OGCD is all that is left
and that is just pure degen sheit
guess we can leap too
wild glade
are heroics the only thing we can repeat for vet crests?
dense elbow
genious
wispy jay
I did try fury a bit by doing class trial and it didn't feel extremely fast to me but I guess that's because of low haste / not max level?
bitter palm
I did try fury a bit by doing class trial and it didn't feel extremely fast to m...
u need haste ye
fury is gcd capped
dense elbow
I did try fury a bit by doing class trial and it didn't feel extremely fast to m...
Lots of haste in the spec tree for free - and all abilities hit multiple times, so it gives a lot of feedback of things happening all the time
bitter palm
true
rare garnet
u need haste ye
working on it
bitter palm
procs like slayer strike make it feel faster
bitter palm
working on it
bro i wish
bitter palm
fucking 13%
wild glade
fury is gcd capped
lets take thunderclap off the gcd that'd fix it
wispy jay
Downtime in wow just pisses me off so much, I should've tried fury earlier probably
bitter palm
ye fury is just spam shit
rare garnet
Downtime in wow just pisses me off so much, I should've tried fury earlier proba...
what were you playing before?
wispy jay
I've been a dk main for over 10 years but I don't find it fun anymore after the midnight changes so I might swap mains for the first time ever or at least play an actual alt
Dk historically isn't that fast paced but when played properly I never really had any downtime except for the occasional 1 second or so
Actually really wanted to play rogue but they made the energy issues so much worse and even outlaw can run out of energy now
sour frigate
Hey guys, how did fury apm change when going into midnight? I like playing fast ...
ah i thought that was me
so outlaw is just shit now
wispy jay
Yeah, it used to only be that way for assa and only in ST because in aoe they got enough energy from their dots
But they removed that
sour frigate
ye if i want to play a downtime spec id play sub
wispy jay
so outlaw is just shit now
Yeah they made so many bad changes to it
sour frigate
but seems like sub is even less downtime than outlaw now
wispy jay
I actually asked that in the rogue discord and apparently sub is still slower because it just has 0 energy out of dance
You press like 2 buttons and run out of energy
rare garnet
well good thing is fury always has something to press, just depends how fast with haste
wispy jay
Do you just spam whirlwind when you lack other abilities to press or how does it work exactly
bitter palm
I actually asked that in the rogue discord and apparently sub is still slower be...
u can play colossus arms for a similar experience
rare garnet
tempted to play 0 haste arms just for the slow apm memes
bitter palm
Do you just spam whirlwind when you lack other abilities to press or how does it...
pretty much ye
although thane is different
wispy jay
u can play colossus arms for a similar experience
Please no
Prot is pretty spammy as well right?
bitter palm
as long as u stay way from colo arms u will have fun
afaik they gutted it
the spamminess
wispy jay
Oh rip
wispy jay
I played a lot with a prot war in the past and they were always talking about how often they spam ignore pain
wispy jay
So the other arms hero talent feels less starved?
bitter palm
it just plays a lot better
less starvation more procs
less convoluted
especially in aoe
colo doesnt have rage issues in aoe though and the crazy cleave damage is kinda fun but demolish does no damage and its cringe
st is insanely cringe
keep in mind arms is losing to tanks on st atm
very undertuned
marsh rapids
brown is soo cooked as always 😒
icy whale
at what point should i whirlwind on every 5th attack? with 3 targets, 4, 5 ?
wispy jay
Yeah I can't remember last time warrior was meta tbh. At least in m+ since that's what I play the most
I feel like it's usually B or A tier but never really top pick. Except prot ofc
sour frigate
I actually asked that in the rogue discord and apparently sub is still slower be...
at least dance is 20 sec unlike rush 1 min xd
sour frigate
Yeah I can't remember last time warrior was meta tbh. At least in m+ since that'...
previous season was around meta
dense elbow
Yeah I can't remember last time warrior was meta tbh. At least in m+ since that'...
Warrior was meta last season at the latest
fiery edge
@dense elbow i went back to thane, because rend had me demotivated
rare garnet
betrayer
fallen ginkgo
does anyone know if rampage is gonna get fixed? the dmg numbers come late and there is no sound for the last hit and its really anoying 😅
dense elbow
<@237283524040851459> i went back to thane, because rend had me demotivated <:sa...
proud of you
do what makes you happy
floral bay
can any1 explain the difference in openers between wowhead and echo/revvez guide?
Second one is not using OF ever to enrage for some reason too
rare garnet
inconsiquential pick your favorite
remote bobcat
can any1 explain the difference in openers between wowhead and echo/revvez guide...
yea so the revvez opener doesnt have whirlwind stacks on the initial rampage so it's technically less upfront burst 🤓
static loom
Technically both are wrong, if you go off of what's optimal on SimC. :)
Charge>OF>Cds+TB>Ramp>etc..
exotic cradle
hi all, what is the general thought on blacksmithing progress? would it be best to go for armorsmithing? weapons do not seem as valuable for their passives?
vital remnant
Is there any diference crafting a 2h sword, axe or mace as first item?
dense elbow
Is there any diference crafting a 2h sword, axe or mace as first item?
None, just double, tripple and quadroople check that you dont craft an int item
pale lava
Charge>OF>Cds+TB>Ramp>etc..
is fitting odyn into avatar+reck in opener a dps loss?
the sequence that I'm asking about is charge > cds+odyn in the same global
static loom
Question is if 1 extra ramp/BB is worth more than buffing OF
dense elbow
always buff OF, bigger OF better OF
static loom
Without tier, it's easily in favour of Ramp/BB, with tier, it's a tossup
dense elbow
Nothing else matters, but the raw dam of OF initial hit
pale lava
Without tier, it's easily in favour of Ramp/BB, with tier, it's a tossup
I see, ty
quiet skiff
hello guys, in most guide it says to take wrecking throw and rend, but then in all rotation guides these spells doesnt even appear anywhere
are we supposed to use them ?
static loom
Then it's also worth mentioning, this is for sustained dmg, for burst AoE, buffing OF is worth more again
open mountain
but would u delay OF in a fight to pull it only with other cds?
dense elbow
Thane doesnt use Rend, as it is part of clap
Rend is used during pandemic window, to refresh it
Wrecking throw is used as a filler above RB, or used on shields/as a silence
quiet skiff
oh ok
thank you it make sense now
i played season 1 of the war within and just playing again now
basically the major difference is raging blow is a dead spell
if i understand well
quiet skiff
🙁
quiet skiff
And in case of raid single target
does rend apply automatically somewhere
or its manual
static loom
At current tuning we'll be playing Slayer, meaning we'll need to manually apply it
But it's quite low on the prio list, so it's only at around 60ish% uptime
quiet skiff
ah ye because it doenst appear on any rotation guide
static loom
In short, rend is just above RB in prio, outside of cds
spare steppe
So if we are doing clap->BB->clap-> ramp during avatar burst, aren’t we capping on rage the entire time?
static loom
Yes
But it's better burst AoE, than doing the higher sustained AoE rotation, which is basically single target, but keeping up WW stacks
spare steppe
Makes sense. Was going to do it regardless of my thoughts, I have blind faith in archi
open mountain
hey warriorsarry, just got hands on your spreadsheet with the sims, love to look at stuff like this. thanks for your work 🙂
echo rapids
This is why thane is more complex than slayer
static loom
Always happy to do the sim work behind the scene. :)