fury

[finite jetty]

isnt it new that 2h require 4 sparks, wasnt it 2 sparks

[red berry]

No

[rare garnet]

It was 4 half’s before same as now

[finite jetty]

Ohh

Surprise mf!

[rare garnet]

Keep the name this time that’s your identity here

[undone flower]

You can always override the spell in the spell queue (until your ping ofc), it is the most recent spell that will be casted, idk where your issue can come from

[lost vigil]

just rolling into midnight now, without WA how has everyone been tracking imp whirlwind stacks? Is there a way to do it in game with what they added

[undone flower]

You maybe have not a stable ping, bc spells being casted after the gcd or late it’s just you lagging

[rare garnet]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/iwt-improved-whirlwind-tracker-simplified

[terse spire]

What is the priority of bloodthirst outside of Reck/Ava?

I am assuming it is of a higher prio than CB, TC, WT but still falls behind rampage?

[lost vigil]

so instead of WA we now just need individual addons to track things?

[rare garnet]

Oh no

It starts again

Maybe

4. Bloodbath during Recklessness
5. Bloodthirst

Would be more clear.

[terse spire]

Thank you boss

[undone flower]

[rare garnet]

Day 2 of bloodbath drama

[slim coral]

Bloodthirst cannot be used during reck as it turns into bloodbath so when reading this list it's still 4th on prio list

[mortal ivy]

If you didn’t take the talent that turns it into bloodbath then it would be bloodthirst

[slim coral]

yes but the rotation is based off assuming you take the meta talents

it even says that

[undone flower]

If you didn’t take rampage, what is the prio

[rare garnet]

Let me sim it real fast

[mortal ivy]

Arms warrior 😂

[rare garnet]

Numbers are in. Still better than arms not using rampage

[undone flower]

I really did few keys without rampage in S3

[mortal ivy]

Your pressing slam instead of rampage which cost zero rage so your at full rage all the time

[terse spire]

Yeah I’m just a fucking dumbass. Cheers pal

[slim coral]

You're good bud it's a fair question

[mortal ivy]

Was slam top damage ?

[rare garnet]

Didn’t spend a lot of time but without a deep dive it’s way better than I was expecting…

[undone flower]

Ofc I played thane

[mortal ivy]

Yeah I could see thane doing that for sure blast was crazy

[undone flower]

onslaught+OF gaming

[rare garnet]

So glad we have a tier dedicated to such a powerful ability

[undone flower]

I don’t mind, it’s an S1 set

[coral isle]

is anyone using the early track crests to craft non-spark gear or nah?

[undone flower]

I spent my adventurer crests on upgrades, but only bc I have enough with next week cap to be done with them

[rare garnet]

Adventure seems fine to spend but I wouldn’t touch vet crests yet

Or do I mean it’s a game have fun and pump

My ret buddy full sent to his 250 vet weapon and embarrassed me on our m0s and I still don’t have enough context if rets good, I’m bad, or both.

[formal geode]

Am i losing it or is the sapling from blinding vale really that strong for preseason

[undone flower]

Yeah for vet crests it’s for the 17th just before raid, I’ll spend everything

Since the week after those crests will be useless with m+

[coarse nest]

Isn’t that what the L!rias guide says to do 😆

[undone flower]

Idk I didn’t read it

[coarse nest]

I’ll probably read it for the 3rd time today and still retain none of it

https://tenor.com/view/livasmol-loading-cat-smol-gif-6810651202878211592

[undone flower]

I started to read it once but I stopped at the upgrade tabs image, I don’t need more info tbf

[dense elbow]

Only thing I need to know is this:

• Do not upgrade heroic track gear before you get mythic track gear of that slot to save crests.
• Do not upgrade mythic track gear, before you upgraded heroic track gear to 6/6 in that slot, to save crests.

[coral isle]

I find the guide interesting in giving me an idea of what there is to do because a new expansion system can be a bit overwhelming but the upgrade stuff is focused on hyper optimization which sometimes just isn’t fun

[dense elbow]

All you need to care about is what I mentioned, rest is just craft the item at max rank gameplay

we can emote skyhold in skyhold now

for some reason

[undone flower]

Yes if you are unfamiliar with crest economy it is a good explanation of the logic, but if you are used to it, it is not really new

[dense elbow]

Feels man

Also, no RGB lights on the emote

[rare garnet]

[undone flower]

[spare steppe]

Any vendors that sell adventurer weapons?

[rare garnet]

World quest dungeons and delves oh my

[worldly valve]

also prey can give weapons

[spare steppe]

I’ve gotten 4 rings from prey, will try delves

[unborn delta]

hes gonna kill us

[coarse nest]

Lmao as long as we’re 240x2 before the 17th we’re chillin 😎

[unborn delta]

im already 237 on the main i got lucky in the m0s

got 240 wep + a bunch of vet pieces

i could prob be 240 if i spent the 300 adventurer crests

[coarse nest]

Can’t wait to have all the luck on the rat I’ll be parking asap 🤣

240 weapon is pog hope I have that luck too

[waxen drift]

yep 😄

[undone flower]

i will 100% have a 240 wep next week, all 4 other dudes got one

[coarse nest]

Surely

[coarse nest]

🔥

[undone flower]

i got 2 helmets

[coarse nest]

I’m so ready to loot helmets necks and belts

[hardy shuttle]

I got 3 and 2 belts

[waxen drift]

me to 😄

[undone flower]

still ended with decent number of items

[coarse nest]

Big

Yuge

Largest

[waxen drift]

u have luck in m0.. i not :/

[undone flower]

you don't have to fake it, it's a cloak and wrist

[undone flower]

yeah the ring is the only luck i got but it is good luck

[south kayak]

yo

How's it going

[fleet heath]

Are those weps upgraded with crests? How you get 250

[marble pilot]

Im still leveling. Rerolled as Haranir cause I was tired of being a Kul Tiran and unwilling to pay for race change. Getting there though

[foggy pine]

Guys how many champion item we can have ?

[echo rapids]

Must be crest spent on vet gear no other way to get that high this week

[echo rapids]

4

[marble pilot]

1 from each rep. Otherwise its veteran gear from m0 or 1/2 crafted pieces that you will recraft when we get gilded crest crafts

Might be something ive missed but I dont think so

[dusky moon]

You did not miss anything

[waxen drift]

yep, crest

[tiny nebula]

I was running sims where the singularity rep trinket was worse than random heroic trinkets, anyone else experience this?

[hardy shuttle]

Does the sim factor in all the bonuses? Or just what you have currently

[tiny nebula]

Just using the “top gear” sim on raidbots. Fairly novice at simming so it’s likely I’m doing something wrong.

[dusky moon]

It's literally not implemented in Sims

Something like 60% of trinkets still are not implemented, do not trust Sims

[gusty cloak]

ughh got a belt/neck/helm from prey

[winter shoal]

This guy is just trying to sandbag don't listen to him

Known misinformation spreader larias

He told me getting renown for vet pieces would be omega free and it is but it still takes hours

[dusky moon]

Champ

Idiot smh

[fiery edge]

wtf 8% haste

[tiny nebula]

Is there a way to know what is and isn’t implemented?

[dusky moon]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSYuH1Aiq3PD2icjnefyJl1uXrhzXFiJRoU1cdRGouwi027E8u3AGQ6mowXiLQ4qvnDqNcjv4dwwvpW/pubhtml

This is usually updated

[tiny nebula]

Thank you!

[rare garnet]

So much not implemented and already release. Really disappointed in these number rats considering how much we pay them (we don’t pay them). SMH my head.

[grizzled granite]

are any of the darkmoon deck trinkets good for fury ?

[tiny flame]

just an FYI to @edgy widget
reading the wowhead guide, the main page you put stat priority as mastery > haste > vers > crit

but on the stats page you have both builds listed as haste>mastery>crit >vers

[edgy widget]

World activity stuff generally isn’t, Blizz rarely allows us to test them early and they’re rarely able to be kept at a competitive item level either

[dusky moon]

I wasn't criticizing you; simply informing

You guys do a lot of work in a little amount of time

[edgy widget]

Yeah just explaining why they’re not

[unborn delta]

that trinket getting replaced in 3 weeks anyways

[spare steppe]

We also make a lot of work

after all we are your favorite class discord

[open shoal]

Anyone knows the best race for fury in raids?

[teal isle]

tauren/dwarf/velf

[warm crag]

you can sim it but rule of thumb is if you have to ask it doesnt matter for you

pick what looks coolest

[teal isle]

tauren is coolest

[coarse nest]

You guys don’t simulate your pre raid best in slot!? smh my head

[radiant plank]

Pandaren

@warm crag

[warm crag]

i was personally dmd this by tmy for some reason

i will not be racechanging

[glad coyote]

so why are are waiting to craft a 2hander, when we can craft cloak or bracers first?

[radiant plank]

would you rather have a mythic ilvl bracer or a mythic ilvl weapon

[teal isle]

because we're warrior

[warm crag]

mythic weapon gooder than cloak bracer

[glad coyote]

kinda what i thought

ty

[coarse nest]

Weapon owning

[brittle crow]

i still don't get why there's a regular tclap in the opener

aoe opener

what does it do !

[coarse nest]

Does more aoe than other buttons available at that spot in the opener

[brittle crow]

but the regular prio list prios rampage and bt

so why not in the opener too

[teal isle]

doting

[static rock]

So, my sims are showing that the warbanner from windrunner is the best trinket rn, is anyone else getting that as well?

[warm crag]

it buffs up your shield charge with the prot apex talent

[brittle crow]

vro

[brittle crow]

it doesnt apply a dot

[teal isle]

its rending

[warm crag]

plausible, scroll up to see what archi and larias talked abt for a possible explanation why

[brittle crow]

already applied by tblast

[warm crag]

tbf i think its a bit dented to sim rn you will replace all your gear with higher number in 3 days

[marble pilot]

Sims say take the highest ilvl you can. About it till the 17th

[coarse nest]

You do not need to sim veteran gear

[rare garnet]

Need to optimize my first m2 profile broseph also without simming how will I know how I stack up to unholy or bear

[coarse nest]

Just equip ilvl and feely craft stats

Probably haste>>>>>mastery>crit>vers

Fixed

[marble pilot]

If you do end up with 2 pieces of veteran gear in the same slot just take the ones with haste/mastery. Replace everything the week of the 17th anyway. The goal is to get good enough for real m+/heroic clears. At that point every drop is an upgrade regardless of stats just cause ilvl

[sullen dove]

12 days but yes

[coarse nest]

Math is quick

[brittle crow]

im going to die irl if i can't figure out why this tclap is here

why it do more damage

[coarse nest]

Screenshot the opener you’re talking about

Curious

[teal isle]

because its clapping

[rare garnet]

Just follow the guide or don’t a single tclap or rampage in the opener won’t have an actual impact on your overall DPS for a fight. Do what you want man.

[coarse nest]

Oh the wow head, yeah that’s an example opener

[brittle crow]

i want to do best opener and comprehend it!

[coarse nest]

You do the prio always

[random shadow]

cause thunder blast/clap does cracked damage while youre in avatar

tthe general rotation for aoe is just ramp - thunder clap/blast then filler every now and then

[brittle crow]

clap is lower prio than both bb and ramp

[random shadow]

it hasnt been updated on wowhead yet archimtiros said

our new rotation is just ramp -thunderclap/blast

clap is our highest prio for aoe

[undone flower]

what spell would be replacing TC ?

[coarse nest]

Correct but in that example above BB and ramp were both just casted and you didn’t proc a TB charge in this hypothetical

[brittle crow]

bloodbath

[undone flower]

it might just be in cd bc you casted bb 2 gcd prior

[brittle crow]

isn't bb every 3 gcd

[random shadow]

losing on damage if you BB instead of clap at the end of that opener imo

[tiny nebula]

Bloodbath is higher prio on icy veins so I get why this is confusing

[random shadow]

Archimitors just hasnt updated it yet, his trying to figure how to write it into the rotation without confusing people even more due to bloodthirst changing into bath and thunder claop with blast

according to him the other day

[rare garnet]

This is probably your best explaination

[brittle crow]

yea, i only ramp at 100 if possible

[undone flower]

yeah but he is right you could bloodbath on that gcd

[brittle crow]

but that doesn't stop u from pressing bb there

[random shadow]

i see the vision tho, clap is just so strong rn

[ionic hamlet]

not that i can do much about it, but i was curious if my rotation felt a little funny because of how low my haste is

[coarse nest]

In this example you use cds get two charges of TB spend both and BB between the BB could proc a TB which you would cast if still enraged

[random shadow]

how the 20% crit feel tho lol

[brittle crow]

yea, hypothetically, if u get a tb, u press tb there

but that's a tc icon

it's intentional. it's mogging me

[coarse nest]

Arch can not give 40 examples of opener

[ionic hamlet]

it looks cool with everything critting LOL

[marble pilot]

From what I remember was that during reck you kinda do ramp>fill>ramp>fill>ramp> fill
With that fill generally being tclap/blast or BT

Dunno what it is for Slayer. Probably Bt/execute

[coarse nest]

That’s just the basic way to do it

You follow the prio always

[brittle crow]

if you follow the prio

why tc!

[random shadow]

cause TC does lots of damage

and youre AOEing

[coarse nest]

Because you wouldn’t ramp back to back and the BB may not have procked another TB

This is the answer

[random shadow]

if im not mistaken TC does more then BB does

[undone flower]

idk in prepatch already we did the prot thing clap every other gcd tbf, it doesn't seem crazy it stayed

[coarse nest]

The simple why answer is just because it’s the best damage option after ramp there

[brittle crow]

then the prio list should reflect that!

[coarse nest]

Again this could simply change too based on what sims doing after apl optimization

[brittle crow]

ic

[coarse nest]

It’s a general example of what the opener will look like

[brittle crow]

is that only in avatar tho

[random shadow]

in avatar you wanna clap anyways

[brittle crow]

or always

[random shadow]

due to the buffs clap gets when youre in avatar

He just hasnt updated it yet is all

and given changes on the 17th might change the rotation even more

[brittle crow]

my reasoning says bb takes prio in avatar to proc more blasts

to extent avatar

that's what the prio list would suggest too

[random shadow]

BB as filler during ramp - blast/clap

[brittle crow]

this is probably really minimal difference now that i think abt it

[undone flower]

you are being too serious about the wowhead rotation not being fully finalised

[tiny nebula]

Clapping even outside of avatar?

[brittle crow]

but i am still perturbed

[random shadow]

nah its a lot of DPS

the difference is kinda a lot from my testing

[brittle crow]

most of the time their cds are mutually exclusive aren't they

[coarse nest]

How you open matters a lot it’s good to ask questions and better understand

[random shadow]

i believe so ye

the thing is CLAP just hits really hard

like really hard

[coarse nest]

No harm in dissecting it here that’s quite literally what the discord is for

[random shadow]

prepatch we did BT due to not having APEX talents

but we have APEX talents now where rampage is giving us more STR

[brittle crow]

not hard enough to make it not bottom of the prio list in st tho

[random shadow]

ST is different tho

[brittle crow]

and if bb cleaves in aoe then it should do more

[random shadow]

you were talking about AOE

[brittle crow]

because tc is capped

[random shadow]

TB takes prio in ST, clap is less important in ST

but for AOE you wanna clap off CD

[coarse nest]

Bb is just up there to give more TB charges

Well and it does good damage now

[brittle crow]

bb hits like a god damn truck

[random shadow]

you can peak lots of dps in big packs while ramp-clap/blast its great

[random shadow]

you can just go wack the 5 target dummies in the city with both rotations and see, im hitting much harder doing the ramp-TB/TC instead of BB

it feels kinda better too imo

[undone flower]

but cleaved bt does 35% less dmg to other targets

clap just clap

[random shadow]

also

BB only does up to 4 targets

clap hits ALL targets at a reduced damage

[brittle crow]

5

[coarse nest]

If you have less than 2TB charges are enraged and can BB it’s probably correct to fish for a TB proc

[brittle crow]

but

[random shadow]

reduces at 5

[oblique thistle]

This is the main reason clap is kept on cd

[random shadow]

but you HIT all of them

[undone flower]

i think sims were done at 5 so it doesn't matter

[random shadow]

WW only hits 4

[random shadow]

sims isnt fully updated yet

but in real pratice youre gonna feel it

BB with WW only hits 4 targets while in a pack of say 8, TC hits all 8 at reduced damage beyond 5

[undone flower]

we are talking about the wowhead rotation

[random shadow]

number wise it matters

[random shadow]

Yes, im still talking about wowheads rotation on why you TC in the opener as the person was asking

[undone flower]

bc it did more dmg on the sim this rotation is inspired on

[brittle crow]

it doesn't make sense that archi would update the opener tab but not the rotation tab tho...

[undone flower]

for short

[random shadow]

could just ask the guy himself

dont think hed mind a ping

[undone flower]

likely bc it is still cooking imo

[brittle crow]

im afraid of him

[random shadow]

ill take one for you

[smoky vale]

[coarse nest]

Archi is cool about actual questions

[brittle crow]

i have reason to be

[random shadow]

Archi is hgere to help you

[undone flower]

@edgy widget someone is afraid to ask you why the clap very other gcd / the thunderclap on the wowhead opener, sorry for the ping

[coarse nest]

The guy literally donates his time to optimize the class for us along side the handful of others here

[smoky vale]

tc does big dam

[coarse nest]

All very active

[spare steppe]

Big dam

[smoky vale]

thats it

[random shadow]

its really that simple, and he just hasnt updated it

TC just does crack damage rn

more so then BB

[coarse nest]

[oblique thistle]

And to be completely fair, with tuning on the 17th, you cant really blame him for not updating quite just yet

[candid falcon]

gang do you think slayer will be playable on bosses (obv. pre raid tuning is the answer, but do we know if the damage profile of slayer is valuable)

[random shadow]

its like when he was talking about turning off glowing buttons lol

[oblique thistle]

All of this stuff could be worthless information on that day

[brittle crow]

🔮

[random shadow]

this is true, 17th will change our rotation probably

[smoky vale]

where is it not updated?

[random shadow]

wowhead, probably icyveins but who cares about IV

[coarse nest]

Flat and boring woohoo

[smoky vale]

its updated on the robot

[south kayak]

Most likely just an aura buff

[candid falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/matikanefukukitaru-umamusume-uma-musume-pretty-derby-umamumusme-pretty-derby-gif-5541095777981104907

[brittle crow]

wowhead prios clap below bloodbath on the rotation page, but then says this on the opener tab

[random shadow]

i played boomie last season i was used to aura buffs

[brittle crow]

that's what this convo is about

[random shadow]

doesnt change a thing for me

[undone flower]

the robot apl wouldn't do that opener

[smoky vale]

cluegi

[south kayak]

Btw is BS better than Avatar for Slayer

[spare steppe]

Yes

[strong tusk]

does leveling alts with story help ur renown with each faction?

[spare steppe]

Side quests yes

[smoky vale]

if you havent done side quests on main yes

[strong tusk]

awesome ty

[rich flame]

Pretty sure this is cause bloodthirst will give you a second stack of blast

[coarse nest]

Yes, do the side quests it gives a lot of rep

[candid falcon]

I would aggressively hope so

[smoky vale]

actions.thane+=/thunder_clap,if=talent.meat_cleaver&active_enemies>=3

this line is why you press tc on cd

[south kayak]

I think Avatar was better on ST on the prepatch

But probably different now

[undone flower]

it is under bloodbath

[smoky vale]

that is correct

[candid falcon]

It was, but now you have access to even more hero talent points that buff bladestorm

[brittle crow]

so! if it's under bloodbath!

why clap in opener!

!!

[undone flower]

bloodbath is not on cd in the image of the opener where there is TC

[smoky vale]

BC BB IS ON CD

[brittle crow]

no it isnt!!

[radiant plank]

this is

4th line of the apl

[smoky vale]

bro bb does not have a 2s cd

[radiant plank]

it answers our question

[spare steppe]

Clap>BB in avatar though

[radiant plank]

goodnight

[south kayak]

The only thing I want would be for RB to at least do more damage than WW for cleave, nothing else really matters

[smoky vale]

walhe

dont go 🙁

[brittle crow]

ok i trust u

[random shadow]

clamp do be the highest prio

but i digress

[candid falcon]

God I miss TWW season 3 tier set. I miss it so bad.

[south kayak]

During avatar

[south kayak]

I don't miss it at all, boring gameplay

[young swan]

almost certainly

[random shadow]

the info is coming from the wowhead writer himself @brittle crow so idk what else to tell you

[oblique thistle]

Fury and complicated, not something you see very often lol

[south kayak]

Mr Archimtiros himself

[candid falcon]

I mean maybe but we had good dam

[random shadow]

its the BB BT, TC, TB

that peopel cant wrap their head with

[candid falcon]

Thank you big boss

[brittle crow]

even out of avatar?

[south kayak]

Where Rampage buff

[random shadow]

yes

[brittle crow]

fucked...

but ok

[random shadow]

you dont understand how hard TC is hitting

lmao

[oblique thistle]

Wait for tier

[random shadow]

you have to think about the target cap

[south kayak]

Oh that's true

[undone flower]

ppl doesn't seem to wrap their head with bloodthirst or bloodbath during reck so anything can happen

[random shadow]

WW only hits 4 mobs

[south kayak]

20% from tier, no?

[random shadow]

its even more simple if you think about it

[brittle crow]

5! hits ur target

[random shadow]

well ok, 5 total targets is still less then uncapped at reduced damage no?

[candid falcon]

5! /=/ 5

[brittle crow]

not always no

[random shadow]

??

[brittle crow]

else you'd spam whirlwind

[smoky vale]

xan are you enjoying genshin

[random shadow]

what do you think thunderclap does?

[undone flower]

thunderclap is ww but cooler

[random shadow]

is hitting 5 targets more then hitting >5 targets at reduced damage?

[undone flower]

[candid falcon]

No

[random shadow]

we ignore blast, its uncapped

[brittle crow]

yes if bb does much more damage

which i assumed it did

[south kayak]

This is Thane should have been the entire time

In TWW you rarely pressed TC on ST

Aoe just for the cleave

[rich flame]

The real tech is spamming ww in-between thunder clap CD

[random shadow]

i fuck with this

[brittle crow]

true

[smoky vale]

thats funky level of aids

[brittle crow]

shouldn't ww hypothetically be ur best filler during the occasional empty gcd..

sometimes i low roll hard and can't press anything

[random shadow]

i dont even have WW on my bars so cant relate

[brittle crow]

me neither xd

[winter shoal]

wrecking throw generally is a better one-off filler

[south kayak]

Our abilities are too short on CD for that to happen

[winter shoal]

with the addition of rend that's also a consideration

Both of those are higher than RB in prio currently but presumably that'll change in 2 weeks

[random shadow]

i personally dont like the thought of using wrekcing throw so i just untalented out of it

[south kayak]

"Presumably"

[brittle crow]

i use it a lot for its actual purpose

[south kayak]

All you're getting is an aura buff

[young swan]

yeah its fun

[rich flame]

It might be just the low haste making it feel funky

[winter shoal]

I mean you're allowed to do that, but at that point we're talking about vibes more than optimization (which is valid, just a different conversation)

[winter shoal]

chargeweave angle

[brittle crow]

real maybe

[random shadow]

all i do is just thunderclap :D

i go in and face roll thunderclap and call it

[dense elbow]

Leap+Wrecking+charge, strongest global

[brittle crow]

wrecking throw generates 20 rage if you really think about it

🤔

[smoky vale]

but is it more rage than just meleeing the boss

[brittle crow]

it is more rage than raging blow probably

[random shadow]

anything is better than Raging blow

maybe even arms

[brittle crow]

🥀

[winter shoal]

idr who was asking about this but TC outside of avatar is basically lowest prio for thane single target

[south kayak]

What's the auto attack damage at now

[random shadow]

thinking of taking it off my bars but sadly off time smh

[winter shoal]

according to sarri APL

[south kayak]

Isn't RB stronger

[smoky vale]

i think they were only asking for aoe

[south kayak]

I mean

Weaker

[random shadow]

ST yes, but they were asking for aoe

[winter shoal]

below BT but above low-rage ramp

[rich flame]

I'll say it.... Heroic throw shouldn't have a CD

[random shadow]

prot doesnt have a cd on it so why cant we smh

[smoky vale]

#fury message

i was on my phone but

[winter shoal]

sending one line from the APL out of context

very powerful strategy giovanni 6 7

[smoky vale]

@waxen vigil

[random shadow]

dont know, thunderclap just feels better

[rich flame]

Give me something to do when forced to be out of range. We can be the new wc3 axe throwers

[random shadow]

i do more with clap higher

[smoky vale]

https://klipy.com/gifs/sixseven-six

[rancid elbow]

is it worth using rend as slayer fury?

[smoky vale]

above rb in st and i think if no rend on aoe?

confirm @winter shoal

[sullen dove]

any knowers if ring 2pc in nexas point dungeon is epic and/or in sim or nay

doesn’t say how much dmg it does just “unleashes a twilight barrage”

[smoky vale]

can you answer my dm

[sullen dove]

no

[smoky vale]

its urgent

[sullen dove]

why are you asking pointless things

it’s not cold at all

[smoky vale]

because thats me

[brittle crow]

this what ive been doing

at least im not entirely wrong

[rich flame]

My claps too thunderous
My thirst too bloody

[warm crag]

i have it

[sullen dove]

is it biglargemchuge

[winter shoal]

Slurry ST:

• above RB if <6s remaining
• below RB if >6s remaining

Slurry aoe:

• below high-rage ramp, BB, and SD exe
• above most filler

@rancid elbow

[warm crag]

dunno hope that helps

[winter shoal]

idk this shit is kinda wack in the apl, actions.slayer_aoe+=/rend,if=dot.rend_dot.duration<6&buff.recklessness.up is above the non-reck case which seems wrong to me but Sarri probably cooked sicko mode on it

like I would think rend would be lower prio during reck, not higher

[smoky vale]

i love multivariable apl

[winter shoal]

don't look at the dk APL

[smoky vale]

i hate red

ban all reds

[winter shoal]

at least the last time I looked at udk in LoU it was a nightmare to read

tons of | of unrelated conditions

[smoky vale]

oh yeah

[winter shoal]

arma and taeznak are just too smart for me idk

not enough brainpower on my side

[smoky vale]

lol

actions.aoe_burst+=/epidemic,if=!buff.vampiric_strike.react&(!talent.bursting_sores|talent.bursting_sores&buff.sudden_doom.react&death_knight.fwounded_targets<active_enemies0.4|buff.sudden_doom.react&(buff.a_feast_of_souls.up|debuff.death_rot.remains<gcd|debuff.death_rot.stack<10)|rune<2)|(rune<4|raid_event.pull.has_boss)&active_enemies>=variable.epidemic_targets&buff.gift_of_the_sanlayn.up&gcd<=1.0&(!raid_event.adds.exists&fight_remains>buff.dark_transformation.remains2|raid_event.adds.exists&raid_event.adds.remains>buff.dark_transformation.remains*2)

this might be a banger

[winter shoal]

actions.cooldowns+=/putrefy,if=(variable.st_planning|variable.adds_remain)&((talent.soul_reaper&!target.health.pct<=35|!talent.soul_reaper)&(buff.forbidden_knowledge.up&runic_power.deficit>10)|charges=max_charges&time>3&(!buff.reaping.up&!cooldown.dark_transformation.remains<gcd.max|!talent.reaping)|buff.reaping.up&talent.infliction_of_sorrow&talent.pestilence&buff.dark_transformation.remains>10&(charges=max_charges|!dot.virulent_plague.ticking&talent.blightburst))

yeah man idk about that

[sullen dove]

"yo do you wanna read the apl to prepare for next patch" mfs

[smoky vale]

bro i need a circuit tree to visualize this

xd

[winter shoal]

Also part of the problem is a lot of the udk shit is variables, which makes sense from an abstraction sense but then also you have to be looking up how shit resolves inside of looking up how shit resolves

Like I said, not enough brainpower on my side for this

[smoky vale]

yeah its cooked

but its a lot of really good optimization

[sullen dove]

oh boy 3 different resources to manage poggers

imagine they gut the shit out of most of them hopefully

[feral ivy]

only these are m0 we have to do right not s1?

[random shadow]

Yes

[rich flame]

I love gaming

[rich flame]

Just gotta wait for the nerds to figure everything out

[rare garnet]

Where is the just press buttons meme

[alpine palm]

Button is lit up, boss 🫡

Time to press

[candid falcon]

We following the bouncing ball this tier

[sullen dove]

gio is the middle

[echo rapids]

Thane is like big brain calculations for every gcd, slayer is just slam BT ramp and execute when they light up - immaculate vibes

Don’t even have to look at dynamic cooldowns, just send BS whenever reck is ready

[winter shoal]

I'm pretty confident there is (or will be) some specifications around how long to hold reck/bs to pair with each other

[alpine palm]

Ye Sarri's APL has you hold BS if Reck is available within 8 sec

[rare garnet]

Nah just gonna press BS when I see it I’m on the left of that chart

[echo rapids]

I’ve just about undone the WW - BS - RB RB RB Ramp muscle memory from last season

[sullen dove]

been time to undo it for the last 2 months when bb was king

[echo rapids]

Barely played during prepatch

[sullen dove]

CINEMA

damn they are low as hell rn tho think maybe i wait

each was like 10k higher yesterday

surely wont drop more cluegi

[rare garnet]

They’re only going down

[feral ivy]

next week whats unlocking?

[winter shoal]

me when I'm playing thane and rampage, exe, BB, and TB are all lit up at the same time

[sullen dove]

absolutely nothing

[compact knot]

noting

[random shadow]

Dont think anythings really unlocking next week

[sullen dove]

another round of m0s and hard preys to do poggers

[compact knot]

lol

[sullen dove]

i had hoped you got 8x1000 rep from doing normal and hard preys but looks like rep stops after 4

couldve unlocked nightmare next week

but ig thatll also be on the 17th

cringe game

2 week mickey mouse period to do fucking nothing

[compact knot]

all of my characters are missing rings

this is facked

[random shadow]

Could pvp

But besides that theres nothing really to do

[feral ivy]

good

[coarse nest]

2 weeks for the employed to hit 90 and run half the dungeons

[fast gyro]

anyome have the lastest fury build for m+?

or where to find

[sullen dove]

wowhead

not that theres gonna be m+ to do for the next 3 weeks

[fast gyro]

obv but to test

[edgy widget]

Rotation tab was updated, but both it and rotations have been getting further changed. It’s also just kinda hard to read atm, I’m actually working on separating it to be a little more understandable

Can’t wait till they completely change everything next week though

[coarse nest]

Insider info!!!

[south kayak]

Imagine we are just getting an aura buff

[dry hawk]

So a sim now would be pointless?

[rare garnet]

200% buff to rampage

[modest condor]

when you think about it sims right now are pointless even if they dont change anything because there is no difficult content and all your items will be replaced by the first item you loot when the season starts

[rare garnet]

The only use for me is to somewhat get an idea how I compare against friends and dungeons. If I’m simming 20% lower than my ret friend then him doing more damage in the dungeon makes at least some sense. If we’re simming the same I probably need to figure out what I’m missing on my end. But to optimize gear yeah kinda useless RN.

[echo rapids]

Scenes when Raging blow buffed

[rare garnet]

Rend initial damage buffed by 500%. Developer note: we noticed slayer wasn’t pressing it on cooldown and its iconic.

[dry hawk]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4pnM6swhERhMSfnPyPuKoT

Prolly running a wrong talent build

[modest condor]

raging blow buffed and bt nerfed to where you now ignore it again for both hero specs

[unborn delta]

fury st prio is now just pressing whirlwind on cooldown while maintaining enrage

[rare garnet]

To be fair, using WW over RB really isn’t as big a loss as you would expect kek

Spin to win baby

[tacit zealot]

anyone got url to fury warrior talent i can copy?

[umbral pike]

hello guys imma new warrior player and all the ratations ive found says different things can some1 send me the best rotation for fury warrior (slayer) and im playing retail, thanks

[still flume]

Check wowhead

[slim coral]

Wowhead will have the most updated rotation

[feral ivy]

we getting sparks each week... pls say yes

[coarse nest]

Yes

[edgy widget]

It’s a gain at high enough target counts!

[sullen tendon]

Change your pfp I don’t want to see his disgusting face ever again

[edgy widget]

Mostly rb for the rage gen though

[south lintel]

Hope we get some love

[brittle crow]

if that's the case
bloodbath > clap! so why clap in opener!

that's all i wanna know

[coarse nest]

Here we are still

[south lintel]

Rend on slayer is stupid

[brittle crow]

YEA

[coarse nest]

Bro I’m telling you

[brittle crow]

i want an answer from the man himself

he just said im right in theory !

[south lintel]

It feels so stupid

[rare garnet]

also a good point

[chrome wraith]

just bake rend into ww

[coarse nest]

It’s simply because you already cast your TB charges and BB isn’t available again yet and you just rampaged

[chrome wraith]

ez

[brittle crow]

BB is off cd there!!

[undone flower]

Try to do it right now, you will discover bb comes off cooldown with your 8% haste rat

[brittle crow]

you can bb -> global global -> bb

and archi says the aoe rotation (bb above clap) is CORRECT

IM A VISIONARY I SEE THINGS

[coarse nest]

TC to get it on cooldown then BB to fish for an instant reset TB charge

[brittle crow]

TB doesn't reset like that

it'll just be on cd

and it doesn't matter, ur in avatar

even if you get a proc it's off cd anyways

[brittle crow]

im wrong

it does

but still, doesn't matter cuz ur in avatar

[random shadow]

💀

[brittle crow]

i miss dragonflight s2

[olive wraith]

Rend~~ on slayer ~~is stupid

Fixed it

Df s2 kinda lame imo

[chrome wraith]

s3 TWW was bis (in tww)imo, but i remember hating s1. Now i yearn for the days our spec didnt feel like shit to play

[fading sky]

what are u taling about

Fury is fucking awesome

atm

[random shadow]

S3 was good. Whats terrible about this season tho

[alpine palm]

Besides having less competitive damage than several specs, what feels different?

[fading sky]

keep in mind we have NO stats

[random shadow]

Just thunder clapping

[fading sky]

u can play slayer

[alpine palm]

Personally, the playstyle feels basically identical with fewer reap procs

[chrome wraith]

RB feels like a nothing button

[random shadow]

At least its better then adms

Arms

[chrome wraith]

Avatar and Bstorm on the same node licks

rend is awkward

[alpine palm]

Ye but in practice we're pressing Reck + Ava so dropping Ava doesnt change the rotation at all. Granted I totally would rather have both Ava and BS

but in terms of feel i dont think it changes much

[chrome wraith]

not having bladestorm is massive

[olive wraith]

Was the worst imo. Rb spam is not it

[chrome wraith]

such a fun button

[alpine palm]

No doubt but I thought the meta build includes BS over ava

[random shadow]

How is it any different then any other season tho. We still spam buttons

[olive wraith]

Slayer picks bs

[olive wraith]

Rb being higher than anything else is dumb

And you literally didn’t press bt

[chrome wraith]

it was way more fun cranking raging blow spam

[alpine palm]

Ye its like... you could just remap whatever your RB key was to BT and again...in terms of how the class is played, it should feel basically identical

[chrome wraith]

give me that gameplay with a more meaningful bloodthirst

that's the dream

[fading sky]

that is now ?

[coarse nest]

So that is basically what we have now lol

[chrome wraith]

you guys are trippin

[alpine palm]

I would rather RB and BT both be relevant. Like, we spam BT but it build some RB buff or proc

[coarse nest]

BT is relevant to press on cd you rampage to maintain enrage and not over cap rage and you raging blow filler

That’s quite literally what you’re asking for

[olive wraith]

Agreed we should want to use both buttons

[coarse nest]

Oh and sprinkle in some execute procs sure

[chrome wraith]

RB is bottom of the barrel for prio

[coarse nest]

They’ll tune that surely

[chrome wraith]

back to the it's only alpha cope i see

never change

[random shadow]

If we get any decent tuning lol

[alpine palm]

Ye, if you look at sims in terms of casts Execute is almost tied with BT

[echo rapids]

Blizzard decided we are all too dumb to handle stacks of buffs

[olive wraith]

As much as I think s2 Df was meh, at least it kinda balanced rb/bt a little

[chrome wraith]

also executes leading to shortened bstorm cd

chefs kiss

also, bring back ww stacks to odyn's

[alpine palm]

That would be huge

in terms of feel, I think

[chrome wraith]

agreed

the button just feels like shit now without it lol

[alpine palm]

Esp with the tier set reducing Odyn's CD

[unborn delta]

ww stacks to odyns and make it do 5x dmg

change nothing else about the spec

[chrome wraith]

25x more damage and we have a deal

[olive wraith]

I’m in the minority, I think Bs is overhyped

[dense elbow]

You think bladestorm... the ability that is barely able to compete with avatar... overhyped?

[olive wraith]

In terms of being liked

[alpine palm]

Its mental reset period for me. Gives a second to just chill

[coarse nest]

We should have full on immunity during Bladestorm and it nukes anything it can reach

[dense elbow]

People want the burst damage fun times (and yes, Xan, explosive burst and not marathon burst)

[coarse nest]

[alpine palm]

marathon burst lol

[olive wraith]

Bs has always felt like an arms button to me

[dense elbow]

There is argument that burst damage is any damage done in a period you are under a CD

[coarse nest]

Yeah we love the 15 seconds before my “burst” gameplay that was thane

[chrome wraith]

Wrath boomers have entered the chat

[olive wraith]

That and the fact that I enjoy pressing things every gcd

[coarse nest]

TWW season 1 heroic week is the kind of burst I want

[dense elbow]

Yep, explosive burst is the most fun kind

[chrome wraith]

I love RST

[coarse nest]

Also very relevant for raid too

Win win

[olive wraith]

Sure but reap isn’t something you press

[undone flower]

TWW S1 ST

[dense elbow]

Reap should get nerfed a bit, so Slayer can focus more dam into BS

Ppl play Slayer to do that burst window (explosive) with bladestorm

[undone flower]

I still don’t understand your hyperfocus on reap

[dense elbow]

Cause the AoE damage potential is limited, you cant increase BS damage and not get out of wack on the overall

So you remove some of our AoE sustained potential, for more burst AoE potential - in as close to balanced state as you can for the overall meter

Reap and BS work as part of the Slayer dam profile, so it is the thing you would move around

[olive wraith]

Reap has too many shares in the aoe stock

[dense elbow]

Also in the "burst potential" stock, of a BS highroll

Thanks to unhinged

[olive wraith]

I’m on funky side here

I’d prefer out cooldowns being our aoe

[dense elbow]

The argument not to do it tho, would be that it makes Arms kinda wonky, having two "big dam button" specs, in col and slayer

[teal granite]

Hey guys what is the general consensus for spark usage on Fury at the moment?

[dense elbow]

if you aint in a hurry, wait for the balance patch, you are likely going to make a 2hander and you gotta wait either way

[olive wraith]

Wep is a common first craft. But it’s good to hold to see if you get myth drops first vault

[teal granite]

Roger that, thanks!

[winter rover]

Hey guys - new to fury ... so I got myself 2x 240 1h Veteran weapons ... and only got 220 and 203 2h ...

How bad is it playing fury with 2x 1h?

[echo rapids]

Weapon is still a good craft because it discounts your other weapon

That’s stil a thing right?

[dense elbow]

You wont notice the difference, you can live with it till you get your 2nd 2hander

Remember to upgrade your 2hander first, so you can upgrade your 1hand, 2nd 2hander and shield for free (crest)

[winter rover]

So I can go for 2x 1h till I get 2x good 2h?

would 2x 220 2h be better than 2x 240 1h?

[dense elbow]

Or 1x 1h and 1x 2h

[coarse nest]

[dense elbow]

Probably

2handers got a lot more stats

[echo rapids]

Just use your 2 handers who cares

It’s gonna get replaced almost immediately

[dense elbow]

It is one of those things you dont have to worry about, you will replace the gear long before you get to content that matters. If you want to, just go 2x 1handers for the vibes

[random shadow]

Is it discounted for your second hander or is it free?

[dense elbow]

Free, yep

Upgrade your 6/6m track weap, your offhand is 6/6m for free (other than gold)

[random shadow]

Kinda makes the wait till mythic+ to craft a weapon kinda worth

I assume it still works if you craft a weapon

[dense elbow]

Yep, crafted works, yet remember that you get 2/6 mythic for HC track crests

[echo rapids]

I think for the majority of people the 2 hander as first craft is a slam dunk

[dense elbow]

It is fair advice to give, sure

but imagine when you get two twohanders in sucession right after, like I do every season

hurts every time

[random shadow]

I just dont wanna wait til keys start to craft a 2 hander 😭

[dense elbow]

Just play something else, nothing to do in WoW atm, but wait for season to start

[random shadow]

But then you dont craft then you dont get the 2 2handers. Happens every time

[dense elbow]

Crafts wrists, get 3x wrist in vault

[random shadow]

Oh yeah 100% not really doing much in wow currently

[finite jetty]

Prepare for MDI

[echo rapids]

Well we are the only spec in the game that does a fist pump when they get a myth weapon from vault after crafting a weapon

[dense elbow]

Yes, but when you get the 2nd one

you see those sparky shard things

[winter rover]

Thanks guys

[dense elbow]

just disapear

[finite jetty]

Sry im already gone

[dense elbow]

https://giphy.com/gifs/happy-lilo-and-stitch-M3a51DMeWvYUo

[sullen dove]

how do you get adventurer crests i need 40 more to get to 240

or maybe normal hunts are good yea

[random shadow]

Any content lol

[plain eagle]

Is slayer better overall vs mountain? Or do you switch between different raids depending on mob sizes etc. I haven’t played in 10 years so I’m very noobish again

[random shadow]

Do some delves

[sullen dove]

delves aware

[sullen dove]

thane aoe slayer st

[echo rapids]

IIRC there are once again no strength 2 handers from early raid

[sullen dove]

fight by fight wont know until we are playing on them

yea first 2hander is on 5th boss lol

gg

[plain eagle]

I understand that part but raids have both. Mobs and bosses

[dense elbow]

remember to minmax crests, by upgrading the tier bellow to max with its crests, before you upgrade the higher one (but after you got the higher one, to upgrade the lower one higher for free)

[random shadow]

Raids mostly st

[dense elbow]

[sullen dove]

adventurer is the lowest tier but thanks

[echo rapids]

Usually it’s fight by fight. If it’s mostly single target then slayer

[coarse nest]

https://tenor.com/view/livasmol-loading-cat-smol-gif-6810651202878211592

[plain eagle]

So mountain thane is good for dungeons and slayer for raids

I thought raids had mobs haven’t played in awhile

[dense elbow]

its a funny system

[rare garnet]

-reacted with 🫃

[sullen dove]

i mean it does but again how many mobs is the question

dimensius had mobs but unless you were like critcake in a fully pad allowable guild where no one else hits adds you should be slayer on dimensius

[echo rapids]

Most raid fights have adds these days but it’s rare for them to be enough of a focus to justify playing the better aoe spec

[dense elbow]

Currently, both are kinda similar at both, dont worry about it

play what ya feel like the most

[plain eagle]

So basically mountain thane till I get to 90 and then switch to slayer when I start doing raids

[sullen dove]

ya

[echo rapids]

Slayer is fine for leveling too

[sullen dove]

whichever u like really

[dense elbow]

And dungs

[plain eagle]

Okay I see what you guys are saying

[dense elbow]

and PvP

[coarse nest]

I’m convinced you play what you want after witnessing Critcake roll the slayer logs as thane on dimi

[rare garnet]

Prot goat leveling for getting dungeon quests done fast

[random shadow]

If you're good you're good lol

[dense elbow]

Always play what you want be happy

[random shadow]

Unless its arms

[plain eagle]

I’m gonna try slayer tonight and see how the rotation changes. I’m very used to use thunder blast now

[dense elbow]

Dew it

[random shadow]

Then you just cry inside

[dense elbow]

have a blast, and slay

[plain eagle]

10 years ago I was always a caster. This time around melee. Defintily very rewarding and fun

More into my character and its build

[dense elbow]

Oh sweet summer child, the season hasnt started yet

[random shadow]

You get to yell at the tank for being terrible for the meele dps

Fun times

[plain eagle]

Back then people discouraged me from warrior

[dense elbow]

be ready for area denial galore

[rare garnet]

They keep spamming arms details beating mages they’re due for a nerf

[coarse nest]

Blasphemy!!

[dense elbow]

Arms has topped all meters I seen

Arms need a nerf

[random shadow]

Nerf arms buff fury

All I need

[coarse nest]

Heathens!!

[plain eagle]

Wish they didn’t. I’m having a lot more fun now the I did with my lock years ago

[random shadow]

Funny part is locks really strong en

[coarse nest]

Warrior reigns supreme always

[echo rapids]

I could have swore we got a blue post talking about how the aoe puddle spam was going down

[random shadow]

But who knows after the 17th

[echo rapids]

Didn’t feel like it on my m0 world tour yesterday

[dense elbow]

https://giphy.com/gifs/aizen-bankai-bleach-source-baHb2xHpbXKuBLIGD7

[oblique thistle]

Wait hang on is arms playable? If so nerf that shit immediately

[rare garnet]

Casters just don’t have a feeling for me. I need to be up front bitching about swirls

[plain eagle]

I started farming Ashes of Alar again last night. It did not go well. That raid is buggy as hell

[dense elbow]

I believe in ya, yer luck will go through

in about 1 to 100 years

give or take a few days

[plain eagle]

I will get it this time. I just know it

That’s a OF mount

OG* lol

[random shadow]

You missed the event where drops were boosted

[dense elbow]

just remember, if you forget to do the hokeypokey knock on wood ritual, you wont get it

[plain eagle]

Of course I did

Been wanting that mount since I started in BC

[random shadow]

All the major mounts got double boosted or whatever

[plain eagle]

I hate that I have to wait 1 time a week. I need more high levels. Only 3 right now

[coarse nest]

Still waiting on mimrons..

Even went dry during the event..

[dense elbow]

Something something Brewjj never get head

[coarse nest]

[rare garnet]

Imagine not having head

[random shadow]

I rea somewhere fury doesn't get 1 handefs anymore? Is this true. Or do I stay arms loot spec

[dense elbow]

This be true, so the jungle drums has beated into my head

[random shadow]

I have ptsd from vaults. Will continue as adms loot spec till future lmai

[dense elbow]

To be fair

I will as well

Aint no bug gonna get me

[coarse nest]

Arms forever

[rare garnet]

I hard spec arms just so I don’t forget when I’m doing prot stuff

[plain eagle]

What’s some cool transmogs I can farm that looks good with Varruth Guillotine

[rare garnet]

What is varruth

[dense elbow]

Finding out yourself is half the fun

Then you show off

And ppl go

Ooooo

And

Aaaaasa

[plain eagle]

You know what I want but can’t have. Those legion remix cloaks

I’m very very upset

[dense elbow]

You missed out on em?

[rare garnet]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Transmogrification/s/754sASP4qE

[plain eagle]

I started playing 1 week ago

[dense elbow]

Now that deserves and oof

[plain eagle]

Omg I love this

And I can farm this?

[rare garnet]

Yeah

The post should list the pieces and where

Happy hunting

[plain eagle]

Awesome thank you

[mellow beacon]

do i upgrade this or still craft 2h weapon

[chrome relic]

Upgrade it and put that in ur oh when you craft in 2 weeks

[frank dawn]

What are the stats on the Amani rep neck

[chrome relic]

Crit:haste / vers:mast

[mellow beacon]

aigh cheers

[nova gorge]

Is it really better to take Battlefield Commander over Champion's Spear for M+??

[chrome relic]

Yes

[frank dawn]

ty

[nova gorge]

How / why?

Seems insane

[frank dawn]

Spear doesn’t really do that much damage because of cooldown

[chrome relic]

Spear does little damage, commander gives 3% AP which is goodge

[nova gorge]

I suppose so, just sounds wild at face value but I suppose 3% overall is better than lil dmg here and there

Ty!!

[chrome relic]

Spear is more cc than anything

Shame how far it’s fallen, rip slands spear+leggo

[frank dawn]

Yeah and spear also is taking a gcd from other abilities

[alpine palm]

Ill never understand why Blizz thought we need another gap closer

Like...of all the things War lacks, why another gap close

[frank dawn]

New spear is dumb. Delete and try again

[chrome relic]

They should replace it with something wacky like bloodlust

[oblique thistle]

B-b-but then a tank spec would have lust!!

[frank dawn]

Fuck it. Send it.

[oblique thistle]

Thats WAY too scary....

[frank dawn]

SEND. IT.

[hot shell]

Make onslaught great again

[cold sparrow]

Someone has a proper mono and multi rotation, based on wowhead talents ?

Idk if i'm doing things right

like prioritizing blood bath to trigger thunder clap proc

[hot shell]

I mean.. they do have the rota for each of their builds up there

[oblique thistle]

In aoe just press clap on cd

[chrome relic]

Yeah

[alpine palm]

Short answer is that the APL is still being updated and may change drastically with next week or the week after but the current wowhead rotation is close

[cold sparrow]

even if it's not upgraded ?

[chrome relic]

I’ve been clap -> ramp -> clap -> ramp

Filling with BB if I need it

[mental nexus]

Iirc unupgraded clap hits as hard as upgraded. Just no lightning strikes

[oblique thistle]

Yes raw clap slams in aoe

[cold sparrow]

damn ok

so what about blood bath ?

[oblique thistle]

You can throw it in there if you run out of ramps

[chrome relic]

when u need rage. Or if it’s like 3-4 targets

[cold sparrow]

wow ok

[oblique thistle]

Yeah smaller target counts too

[cold sparrow]

so clap / rang and gg

[oblique thistle]

P much

[chrome relic]

p much

[oblique thistle]

Very straight forward

[cold sparrow]

ramp*

ok thought they were cooking something up

but ok

[oblique thistle]

Personally I have been playing slayer

[chrome relic]

I’ve been wanting to cook with slayer but, I really don’t like rend :/

[alpine palm]

They made Tclap feel less clunky, yea? I heard people joking about 'fast' thane

[oblique thistle]

Well with how absolutely dogshit rb is, rend isn't that bad

Because it gives you something to press that isn't rb

[chrome relic]

That’s a good point

[cold sparrow]

cuz reck is triggering crushing and blood bath, idk I was like "wow ok I to do something with it"

[hot shell]

I enjoy slayer, its just more fun to play

[oblique thistle]

In ST absolutely, BB does do work

[chrome relic]

Yeah reck makes like ur entire bar light up its coggy overload

[oblique thistle]

Crushing blow is, you know, there

[young swan]

I dont think anything really changed

[oblique thistle]

On your bar

[young swan]

if you found it clunky before, you'd prob find it clunky now

[cold sparrow]

ST ? BB ?

[oblique thistle]

Single target, blood bath

[chrome relic]

I think ppl are calling it fast bc of tclap cd in avatar

[cold sparrow]

ok ok

i was looking at quick sim rotation and thought BB give u thunder blast so u need to prioritiz

especially on pull

[chrome relic]

It does but like eh

Ur normal tclap does so much now too

[cold sparrow]

yeah ok

shame

[chrome relic]

I think once they fix the apl and stuff we’ll know for sure

[oblique thistle]

It does, if youre on 5 targets it makes sense to press it after blast ramp to see if you get another proc

[wet coyote]

Wait, does rampage has a target cap?

[alpine palm]

ahh ty

[oblique thistle]

On higher target counts, claps soft capped aoe damage pulls ahead

[chrome relic]

Indeed

[oblique thistle]

We are hard capped at 5 targets enjoy

[alpine palm]

You're only ever hitting 5 targets

[oblique thistle]

BUT we have tools now to do some aoe beyond that

[chrome relic]

You only ever feel bad when ur doing like first pull in AA

[wet coyote]

So is it worth it to get the talent that allows us to hit all targets infront of us?

[chrome relic]

No

It’s real bad

[hot shell]

It even reduces your rampage damage

[oblique thistle]

Good idea in concept, terrible execution

[chrome relic]

Needs redesign asap

[cold sparrow]

so with multi, what kind of start rotation we are talking about ?

[alpine palm]

And its kinda weird.... Warrior is cleave on character but this particular ability is cleave on target. I imagine it makes properly aoeing difficult

[cold sparrow]

i'm a bit lost

[oblique thistle]

Or just scrap it

Thane has clap, slayer has reap

We have some aoe now

[alpine palm]

Where you're either trying to put all the mobs in front of you for rampage cleave or stand near center

[wet coyote]

Mam, sometimes i just feel like

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/469514134569091092/1382462054576947443/yamcha-yeah_final.gif

[chrome relic]

CDs, charge, odyn, tclap, rampage, tclap

Etc

[cold sparrow]

ok ok

[hot shell]

OF should trigger rend, would be such a great qol for slayers

[chrome relic]

Oh that would be so nice

[alpine palm]

That'd be cool too

[mortal ivy]

Arms like what about me though I don’t have ofyns fury…

[chrome relic]

Oh arms…

[alpine palm]

Basically just add something to OF its a silly button atm

[chrome relic]

We pray for a 12.1 rework

[alpine palm]

Whats an arms

[cold sparrow]

Thx for help guys

have a nice one

[chrome relic]

o7

[hot shell]

OF is the signature of fury, the whole set plays around it

It should indeed not feel so underwhelming

[alpine palm]

And visually its just whirlwind with a little extra effect :c

[oblique thistle]

Visually its not bad, audio sounds nice and crisp

Then you look at the meter

Even with tier, its nothing special

[dense elbow]

Trick is to not look at the dam meter ever, especially not the dam breakdown. Luckilly, with details working as it is, the information is hard to gleem at a glance nowdays. So hey

[hot shell]

What they really need to switch is rend. Moveset, soundset, everything. I cant even tell if i pressed it or not, leaving me to check 10 times

[oblique thistle]

Rend could use a visual and audio update for sure

[dense elbow]

Just go into CMD, go to rend, put on a soundque to go "rend" every time you need to reapply it

ez fix

[oblique thistle]

The visual for it is actually decent, when you can see it

Right now it just feels like youre squishing something every time you press it

[hot shell]

We need the hemorrhage sound from tbc rogues for rend

[oblique thistle]

Something like heartstrike wouldn't be bad either

[hot shell]

Pretty much anything with a bloody sound would work tbh. Right now it sounds more like squishing a bug in a cartoon

If you dont pay attention u wont even hear it

Lets see how the raid tuning on the 17th goes. Our ST is on okay levels, we just need some aoe love

[proud vessel]

Is this bugged? Just says im in the wrong zone when i try to use it

[hot shell]

I havent used that trinket but id assume you have to use it in zul aman at the feet of actual loa temples

[proud vessel]

ahh

[mortal ivy]

You have to go to one of the locations to use it changes the proc on it from mastery crit haste

It actually sims higher then the champion trinket from void

At 230ilv

[proud vessel]

what loa should we use?

[mortal ivy]

Mastery one

For slayer I don’t know if it’s same for thane

[cold sparrow]

Last thing bro, this is leggit 2+ targets ?

[mortal ivy]

/way #2437 54.4 19.1 if you have tom tom that’s location

[chrome relic]

Yeah

2+

Well

2-4 bloodbath on cd

5+ just tclap rampage