In ST it's generally above RB, in aoe it's higher. That said, it's not a big deal to ignore it in ST, was like -0.5% when I simmed it in prepatch
#fury
winter shoal
edgy widget
I mean if things are dying that fast, your tank should be pulling more/faster
that's just a byproduct of M0 week
shadow quest
In ST it's generally above RB, in aoe it's higher. That said, it's not a big dea...
heard, thanks
winter shoal
I keep forgetting to press rend in aoe but I was doing like 50k overalls in m0 or something like that which was competitive with the other dps
ilvl of like 215 or so
wise magnet
I mean if things are dying that fast, your tank should be pulling more/faster
Fair. Tank friend was feeling out the dungeons, hadn't done most of them in heroic yet lmao.
edgy widget
Yeah, not using Rend in ST is w/e, but it's pretty worth in AoE
sullen dove
6 pieces out of 8 dungeons that were all useable 
edgy widget
Fair. Tank friend was feeling out the dungeons, hadn't done most of them in hero...
yeah if you're only in heroic, then its bound to happen
sullen dove
only 5 blues left on me
wise magnet
60kish is what I avg at 225.
edgy widget
but Thane actually does blast if you pull consistent/big
winter shoal
They gotta do something about the RA/apex conflict of interest man
echo rapids
All weapons are warrior weapons
wise magnet
yeah if you're only in heroic, then its bound to happen
I should of specified we were doing M0, but he hadn't done them on heroic so he was taking it kinda slow xd
edgy widget
well either/or really
winter shoal
Just absolutely flooded with high-prio buttons during cds and then you just gotta fuck yourself the other 80% of the time
sullen dove
ya worst part of playing thane
wise magnet
Just absolutely flooded with high-prio buttons during cds and then you just gott...
Yeah it's tough
wise magnet
I've been sticking to mountain thane
sullen dove
all available at the same time
shadow quest
I keep forgetting to press rend in aoe but I was doing like 50k overalls in m0 o...
yeah i've ignored it entirely until now, only 89 but in all my leveling dungeons i've been competitive
wise magnet
all available at the same time
Lmao, yeah the prio is insane atm
edgy widget
during CDs in aoe you basically
Clap - Ramp - Clap - Ramp - Clap - BB - Clap - Ramp - Clap - BB - Clap - Ramp
echo rapids
I’m pretty sure I’m still doing prio wrong in reck with thane
edgy widget
it does get confuddled though, especially when you've got SD procs, OF coming off CD, you wanna press BB more
sullen dove
if you get a burst of power gg
wise magnet
during CDs in aoe you basically
``Clap - Ramp - Clap - Ramp - Clap - BB - Clap -...
Are we not getting full rage if we're in recklessness? A ton of the guides I read just don't really go that in depth
edgy widget
if you get a burst of power gg
just ignore it, Clap/Ramp are still prio
wise magnet
thor himself wouldnt be able to stop me from pressing 3 bb in a row
True LMAO
edgy widget
its just extra dam and it will help fill if your rage stifles and you can't cast every other rampage
echo rapids
just ignore it, Clap/Ramp are still prio
But the button lights up 😭
sullen dove
lol
edgy widget
I use an addon to suppress Blizz' button glows, because half of them are moronic
random shadow
the time came when we dont click buttons that light up on warrior?
what a time we live in where i cant zug zug clicking buttons that light up
wise magnet
I use an addon to suppress Blizz' button glows, because half of them are moronic
Iirc you can turn that off, idk why but it's only happening on one of my alts
edgy widget
the time came when we dont click buttons that light up on warrior?
well at any given time like 4 buttons are lit up at once so...
sullen dove
its a bit troll when ramp lights up in reck at 50 rage cost but then reck drops off so you cant hit ramp anymore but its still glowing the entire time until you get more rage
random shadow
well at any given time like 4 buttons are lit up at once so...
we click all 4 buttons at the same time and do big boy damage ez pz :D
edgy widget
its a bit troll when ramp lights up in reck at 50 rage cost but then reck drops ...
its really troll that Bladestorm lights up at 3x ID, even if its on cooldown or you're saving it for Reck or an AoE pack
Bladestorm sometimes just sitting there lit up for a solid 20s
random shadow
question tho, when you do ramp/tc/tb do you not BT or filler when TB/clap is on cd for like 2-3 secs?
wise magnet
its just extra dam and it will help fill if your rage stifles and you can't cast...
Basically, for AoE you still wanna pump out as many rampages as possible. Tclap for rage and BB if youre a tad short on rage for a rampage?
sullen dove
when you cant hit the other stuff
edgy widget
Basically, for AoE you still wanna pump out as many rampages as possible. Tclap ...
no you wanna pump out as many Claps as possible
and then maximize rampage
random shadow
cause i get ramp - TB - ramp - TC etc but sometimes my TB/tc goes on cd for 2-3 secs and you know downtime bad
wise magnet
Okay, even if I'm not out of AoE stacks from WW buff?
marble pilot
Just put things in order on bars or in the cdm in ui. Then slap the glowie things from left to right
random shadow
Just put things in order on bars or in the cdm in ui. Then slap the glowie thing...
set up bars like a prio list going left to right lol
wise magnet
and then use OF / BB / Exe / CB to fill
Okay okay. Idk why but the guides for fury this season are just so .. not straight forward
edgy widget
it's just a complicated rotation, I'm working on some updates to make it more readable though
marble pilot
set up bars like a prio list going left to right lol
Thats how my dumb zug brain works.
It isnt perfect. But you can learn the nuance as you go
random shadow
i wish our apex talent was longer then 8 secs tho
marble pilot
Like I used to not care about rage at all. Just send rampage when you can or if enrage drops.
Over time you add in the ~100 rage condition
edgy widget
the trick is managing your GCDs; for example, if you spam Ramp back to back, not only are you going to be wasting Clap's CD, you're probably gonna end up in a situation where you have to weave in a CB or something because you're starving yourself out on rage
that's more prevalent in single target than multi though
random shadow
Thats how my dumb zug brain works.
It isnt perfect. But you can learn the nuanc...
i just click when BT/BB and TB glows, rampage i gotta work on when to click
wise magnet
the trick is managing your GCDs; for example, if you spam Ramp back to back, not...
Im almost never rage starved thankfully
winter shoal
the trick is managing your GCDs; for example, if you spam Ramp back to back, not...
OR just play slayer instead and not worry about all that shit
coarse nest
Generally over a 100 rage is good to ramp unless you’re trying to super min max ofc
marble pilot
WEll ive done it long enough now that I dont really think about what im doing. But on new classes im learning I try to order the prio list from left to right as best I can.
Over time Ill move things so the most pressed are in the most comfortable spot.
wise magnet
Is slayer AoE and mountain thane close enough to not really matter which you pick?
edgy widget
OR just play slayer instead and not worry about all that shit
counterpoint: rend
random shadow
man who wants to rend
wise magnet
I love keeping rend up. Main reason I went mountain thane xd
coarse nest
I’m keeping rend up as slayer
random shadow
I love keeping rend up. Main reason I went mountain thane xd
but thats Thunder blast/calp vs actual rend
coarse nest
winter shoal
counterpoint: rend
I'm just telling myself nothing lives long enough for it to be worth pressing
ignorance is bliss type shi
wise magnet
counterpoint: rend
What's prio for ST in mountain thane?
coarse nest
It’s m0 week you just roll face in keyboard and win
wise magnet
It’s m0 week you just roll face in keyboard and win
Good week for practice
marble pilot
Watch all this prio change on the 17th. RB gets some kind of gigabuff and we gotta swap things around again.
random shadow
Watch all this prio change on the 17th. RB gets some kind of gigabuff and we got...
thats the goal, but arms gonna get more nerfs on the 17th anyways
marble pilot
Or they make rampaging ruin functional and we gotta find the talent points for it
fiery edge
mid blow 
spare steppe
counterpoint: rend
But rend feels sad
quiet geyser
Watch all this prio change on the 17th. RB gets some kind of gigabuff and we got...
I think atleast slayer favoring RB again would be a giant win. Both MT and slayer playing the exact same is kinda meh
edgy widget
But rend feels sad
that was the point, as slayer you have to use it manually
marble pilot
Eh. I prefer Thane so when its viable IDGAF what Slayer is doing.
wise magnet
I think atleast slayer favoring RB again would be a giant win. Both MT and slaye...
That's fair. If they used different ones for their main filler that'd be fine by me
marble pilot
But I understand why people want the variance
edgy widget
Thane actually plays really smooth during CDs, you just gotta ignore the buttons lighting up (or turn off the glows like I do)
random shadow
I just want good numbers on the fury
edgy widget
it's really just Clap > Ramp > BT
marble pilot
I want to have the assisted highlight turn on for some toons and off for others. I use it for alts that I dont care to learn the rotation perfectly. But its annoying when it auto turns on for the mains.
Probably a setting for it. But I havnt looked into it much
echo rapids
it's really just Clap > Ramp > BT
I didn’t fully appreciate just how hard regular clap hits
edgy widget
it's a little clunky dynamically swapping from ST to MT to in CDs vs out of CDs though; I do wish it had a lil more rotational consistency
quiet geyser
I'de also kinda like reap to come off BT, otherwise slayer is always just going to favor it in AoE. Attaching it to execute would be kinda cool with a high proc chance
edgy widget
I didn’t fully appreciate just how hard regular clap hits
this is why I kept telling people, it's not really a problem that Blast and Clap do about the same direct damage - although it seems weird, it's actually good because it means you're not beholden to the RNG of Blast procs to deal dam like we were in TWW S3
while Blast is still much better in terms of total damage, thanks to the extra lightning strike and avatar extension
onyx belfry
u still want to blast and clap as much as possible in avatar ?
covert blaze
thane design is great right now
wise magnet
Oh so I'm gonna be thundering clapping even when I don't have procs
I just assumed the proc did more DMG xd
random shadow
ye ima have to get use to using clap more overal without procs
was kinda used to just spamming BT for procs during preseason
edgy widget
in AoE, blast is just a little extra treat
wise magnet
Do I use tclap even when I have stacks left of the AoE or do I use those first?
edgy widget
in ST, blast has a higher prio while clap is lower though
wise magnet
Okay okay I'm picking up what your putting down. Takin notes
Weird fury is getting crazy
Fury been cake since at least late legion when I started playing it
random shadow
fury do be the zug zug class/spec
echo rapids
Slayer is so much simpler it’s almost a different spec
random shadow
is slayer still RB for the reap procs? or is it BT now
i havent touched slayer since s3
quiet geyser
Fury been cake since at least late legion when I started playing it
Fury has been fundamentally always easy, in the sense you can faceroll your 4 or 5 main dmg abilities and do decent dam, its always had just little optimization quirks
marble pilot
TLDR good enough is clap/rampage as much as you can. Execute>BT>RB? At least till the next tuning pass.
Or rather for m0s just clap/rampage as much as you can and fill with BT/execute. Pretend RB doesnt exist
wise magnet
Do I use OF on CD or let it sit and wait for Reck/avatar?
spare steppe
it's really just Clap > Ramp > BT
So if you are in CDs at 80 rage with clap and BT available, would you
clap ramp ramp BT
Or
Clap ramp BT ramp
wise magnet
Fury has been fundamentally always easy, in the sense you can faceroll your 4 or...
Those optimizations can be crazy overall DMG wise
wise magnet
Okay so no double rampage, I assume the strength buff it gives isn't worth?
random shadow
You don’t ever want to ramp ramp
why tho? evne if you have TB and 3 BB procs?
wise magnet
Get a generator on cooldown between ramps *atleast
Ideally BT?
coarse nest
Yes currently
random shadow
if the issue is rage
edgy widget
So if you are in CDs at 80 rage with clap and BT available, would you
clap ramp...
neither
edgy widget
during CDs in aoe you basically
``Clap - Ramp - Clap - Ramp - Clap - BB - Clap -...
you keep clap on CD, as outlined here
edgy widget
yeaht AoE is actually really simple in practice
it does feel odd to see SD procs or RA buffs not being used but 
wise magnet
Keep clap on CD. Rampage as much as you can(without double casting), BB for filler?
wise magnet
it does feel odd to see SD procs or RA buffs not being used but <:dracthyr_shrug...
Feels bad
wise magnet
What addon do you use to turn it off?
covert blaze
i'm happy rb sucks, hopefully it stays that way
dark elbow
In the wise words of Mr C, the greatest Fury warrior to ever live: Clap clap clap clap
bitter palm
Just absolutely flooded with high-prio buttons during cds and then you just gott...
axaxaxax
edgy widget
i should turn off glows
you really should
spare steppe
RB being better would make slayer different than MT for generator prio
random shadow
i should just hide my bars during combat anyways, not like i dont have muscle memory atp
bitter palm
like hs procs
edgy widget
right now the only way to do it is by tracking Slam in the cooldown part of the CDM
- this means Slam will always be showing, since it doesn't actually have a cooldown, but it will turn into the HS icon when the proc is available
I spoke to some people about it, and they want to find a way to allow you to track HS on the CDM without tracking Slam, but apparently there are some technical issues, since it's not setup to dynamically insert a new tracked spell mid-rotation like that
I would highly recommend just using action bars though, they are quite frankly better/more flexible than the CDM in every way
bitter palm
i probably will
covert blaze
i probably will
get arcui, it's goated
edgy widget
yeah if you don't mind the icon showing all the time, it's fine
covert blaze
i wonder if they could just give you the spell when you talent the apex and just make it usable if you have the buff
edgy widget
that's basically what they do, and why that macro works
but think about it from the perspective of the CDM, having a new ability icon just dynamically pop up would be kind of disorienting
covert blaze
i say give you the spell in the sense of learning it at all times
edgy widget
not to mention having a 6th icon pop up would likely throw off whatever careful layout people have constructed around having 5 showing most of the time
covert blaze
and being unusable unless you have the buff or something
echo rapids
https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/hide-button-glow
And here I am adding more glows
Blizz needs to add more glow colors, arcui is (or was) buggy when I used it last
elder mulch
Hey , wich one is better ?
pure hornet
this might be a shot in the dark, but, on my warr when i had enough rage to use Rampage there were these 2 auras that showed, and now, somehow, they are gone, anyone knows what might be the issue?
marble pilot
Were they weakauras that no longer exist cause WAs is gone?
pure hornet
no.. it was native
marble pilot
Do you have addons messing with the cooldown manager at all.
pure hornet
elv and cooldownmanagercentered
marble pilot
Could be a setting in there. But Im not positive.
I have had some UI issues like abilites showing out of range when I am for sure in range. and stuff like that
valid pulsar
do they show up if you disable all addons ?
marble pilot
Quick google says to toggle off the Personal Resource Display. Then turn it back on
pure hornet
it does..
pure hornet
Quick google says to toggle off the Personal Resource Display. Then turn it back...
let me try
valid pulsar
its probably an addon disabling spellactivationoverlay
try to check which addon causes it do disappear and then look in the settings of that addon
or try to re enable it via the console and set the opacity to 0.65 its the default value
pure hornet
its EQoL
i set the CVar manually, disabled all addons, re enabled and it seems to be working now
thanks guys!
marble pilot
The world of 60 addons all having conflicts instead of just WAs solving everything
I get it WAs was too strong. But the tons of bandaids is also annoying.
pure hornet
a TOOON of bandaids..
random shadow
Wa was just great qol if you ignore the ones for raids
I will miss my spell reflect weakaura tho
marble pilot
Yeah. Its too bad there wasnt a way to keep all the non raid stuff.
I understand thats a very hard thing to manage perfectly. But some things are just annoying now.
midnight kite
In theory could a WA like addon function currently for stuff other addon do?
Or did they do something that specifically breaks the way WA functions outside of combat/hidden values
wise magnet
Tellmewhen still works iirc. It's gotten updates tho idk what all it can do
I've only ever used it to track CDs and buffs
novel sleet
With current tuning, are we Dead set on Mountain Thane for mythic+/dungeons or is Slayer competitive?
young swan
slayer is competitive
novel sleet
Just preference currently then? I achknowledge the extra defensive value of Thane, but Slayer brings better Prio/ST for aoe trade off, no?
formal notch
Slayer current very competitive in the early stages on m0
but for higher keys it would be mountain thane
young swan
Just preference currently then? I achknowledge the extra defensive value of Than...
its moreso dungeon dependent than anything
there will be keys where slayer is equal or better
almost certainly anyways
novel sleet
okay, Thank you. Just curious, as I am maining Fury for the first time this season for key pushing group. I know things are all subject to change, but want to be sure I stay knowledgeable and perform well of course.
warm crag
In theory could a WA like addon function currently for stuff other addon do?
ye forked continuations exist
dont think they are public
formal notch
Guys Question
Sim is saying the Champion Trinket from Renown
Is trash
even tho am 100% sure, the uptime was almost the whole dung
marble pilot
From what I gather Slayer has a better burst for like short lived adds. But Thane has better sustained aoe.
So you likely play Thane in m+ or council style fights. And Slayer in St or burst dps fights.
young swan
Sim is saying the Champion Trinket from Renown
probably is trash compared to any decent dungeon trinket
its just high ilvl
round dew
is there a lot to spellreflect in current dungeon rotation? does some1 know by any chance :D
midnight kite
The renown trinkets very very overturned
Its not implemented in sims
The sustinence upgrade doubles its duration to 20 seconds and it's 4ppm meaning you have almost 100% uptime
formal notch
probably is trash compared to any decent dungeon trinket
thing is, when you upgrade the effects from Void place
its duration becomes 20sec
and the uptime is littarely almost 100%
spare steppe
is there a lot to spellreflect in current dungeon rotation? does some1 know by a...
Tactycs has his sheet, pretty sure it’s updated
novel sleet
From what I gather Slayer has a better burst for like short lived adds. But Than...
Thank you, King. I will surely try Thane for dungeons later this evening.
spare steppe
Oh yeah thats probably dead
formal notch
also look at these 2 sims, a trinket will give me 1k dps on slayer, but 90k on thane
formal notch
Thank you, King. I will surely try Thane for dungeons later this evening.
currently am playing slayer in m0 and am hitting like a truck, if yuou have balde strom, the momment it ends adds are already 50% hp
ohh nvm, that 90k dps increase is from changing talents
mY bad
novel sleet
currently am playing slayer in m0 and am hitting like a truck, if yuou have bald...
I have been playing Slayer this whole time to level 90. Can confirm, Bladestorm hits like a truck. I enjoy Slayer more, but was not sure if it will be viable in higher dungeons as far as min/max. I am hoping so, but I do not mind Thane either. All guides say Thane for m+ so was unsure if there was a specific reason of why other than more consistent overall or maybe a better trade off. I do appreciate all the information and assistance.
astral folio
I have been playing Slayer this whole time to level 90. Can confirm, Bladestorm ...
Can you link talent you are using?
novel sleet
I am unfortunately at work, and unable to do so. I do believe however, I just grabbed the M+ build from wowhead.
astral folio
Ok, fair enough! Thank you mate!
novel sleet
Of course!
novel sleet
Ok, fair enough! Thank you mate!
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bold carbon
what do we give up for enraged regen
languid marsh
are sims 100% updated for us now?
olive wraith
what do we give up for enraged regen
I believe most are skipping. If you absolutely must have it I think massacre or 1 cruelty is the common dps loss choice
odd anchor
is it just me or is fury ST extremely underwelming
smoky vale
what do we give up for enraged regen
nothing its not required
bold carbon
well surely not this week mostly meant for raid lol
smoky vale
im pretty sure you play slayer in raid so you drop the aoe talents
unborn delta
raid we have dstance + spell reflect which is kinda enough
coarse nest
Warrior just stays living
smoky vale
otherwise if theres cleave you are dropping it
onyx linden
is this good for us? seems like it
unborn delta
gimme dem souls bwomsamdi
marble pilot
I have been playing Slayer this whole time to level 90. Can confirm, Bladestorm ...
Sorry had to get some work done. But Slayer in m+ is still plenty viable if you enjoy it more.
You get a little more ST for the bosses. And better burst aoe on pull.
You will lose a little sustained aoe though on the pack to pack stuff.
And depending on comp might be straight up better. If you have warlocks doing all the aoe then you might bring more value by having more ST from slayer.
hot shell
is this good for us? seems like it
I hate it. You lose uptime cause most of the time souls spawn quite a bit behind you
odd anchor
so has everyone else been doing comparable ST to other classes in dungeons because i have been struggling
novel sleet
And depending on comp might be straight up better. If you have warlocks doing al...
We are currently attempting to try a Phys God comp seeing as Brewmaster is looking quite strong, if not the best tank this season. Starting out however, we most likely will be playing with whatever gets dungeons completed and start of season timed. Looking like maybe BM, rsham/druid, fury war, surv or mm hunter and then either rogue or feral depending on healer. But all subject to change along with warrior tuning. I do enjoy Slayer playstyle a bit more, but I dont hate Thane either. Just looking for whatever performs the best or checks the box for comp needs.
marble pilot
Yeah itll be somewhat comp dependant. And could all change when they do the numbers pass on the 17th. But thats the general feel of Thane vs Slayer.
oak peak
Just to clarify, are the only veteran crests available the ones from M0s and hard mode Prey?
novel sleet
Yeah itll be somewhat comp dependant. And could all change when they do the numb...
I think I will give Thane a go tonight. I dont quite care being top of the overall if I bring something more valuable such as Prio/Boss killer to the table. If they are 100% equal in terms of damage and being viable however, I will just stay Slayer for the ideal playstyle. If tuning happens to kill one or the other, than so be it. At the end of the day, still playing Fury war.
marble pilot
Zug Zug brother.
novel sleet
Zug Zug brother.
./salute King. Thank you
echo rapids
Just to clarify, are the only veteran crests available the ones from M0s and har...
I think tier 6/7 delves give vet crests
Right?
midnight kite
I dont think they did in EA but I can run a delve in like 3 min to test
No from T7
midnight kite
for the sake of curiosity I will run it on 5 considering the crests say 5/6 specifically
sullen dove
I think tier 6/7 delves give vet crests
echo rapids
for the sake of curiosity I will run it on 5 considering the crests say 5/6 spec...
Someone in guild just showed me, the tooltip says capped at adventure crests for pre season
midnight kite
Yeah unsuprisingly I only got 5 adventurer from the +5
I am pretty sure you can do random hard hunts and select crests as a reward if you really want to farm them however
rotund ginkgo
have we got a spell reflect addon?
edgy widget
there is none
smoky vale
https://tenor.com/view/67-67-meme-cat-cat-meme-balloons-gif-15884246815804905231
sorry which level?
sudden tusk
@warm crag
warm crag
i liked the first chatter that said 7 beautiful women
sudden tusk
its good
sudden tusk
feet lady
warm crag
there are 4 hard counters for her on the enemy team i have no idea what they are smoking
sudden tusk
knockdown builder yeah
bold carbon
do u hold odyns fury for recklessness to come back or just send
sudden tusk
send
smoky vale
did the apl get rid of the reck cd condition
or am i blind
i guess it doesnt matter anymore since its not avatar
sly wave
Hello, I'm starting out in M0, and I'd like to improve my skills. Which guide is better, Icy Veins or Wowhead, or another site? I'm torn between Thane and Slayer... can you advise me?
Thank you, thank you !
smoky vale
they are written by the same person
junior gale
Nah icy veins made by Archis twin
smoky vale
mb
sly wave
😃
frank dawn
for the moment, but both specs are pretty close in both forms of content so you can really play the one you prefer
loud field
oh fr?
young swan
it's thane in m+ slayer in raid right
probably see a bit of both in both
loud field
oo ok
I like slayer more so I was curious
there's no world where you can take both improved whirlwind and enraged regen without losing throughput though right? 
young swan
correct
loud field
sad times
frank dawn
Didn't someone run the sims on that the other day and there's like 3 talent points you can drop for .7-1.2% dps loss to grab Enraged Regen
maybe I'm pulling that out of my ass, but I thought I saw someone post that
loud field
🤔
forest hawk
should i wait for next spark to craft weapon or go straight into bracers 
frank dawn
for fury I feel like the correct answer for a huge majority of people is to craft the weapon
forest hawk
yeah thats what im leaning toward
warm crag
@sudden tusk hold on they are cooking with fire
soft viper
hmm what would be best crafted 2h sword/axe/polearm or it doesnt matter
warm crag
thats pretty normal vindicta building
soft viper
ah gotcha
warm crag
you go spirit first then go gun hybrid
shes so behind on money she needs to just go for snipe onebangs
sudden tusk
mo and krill nation
warm crag
mohammed and kareem are ripping that celeste apart
hate that the correct thing to buy with a fourth of your net worth as abrams is phantom strike
sudden tusk
Pstrike into echo
warm crag
echo shard and refresher need to go
warm crag
abrahams is getting their teeth kicked in
warm crag
i tihnk they banked on apollo not dying so early
but he got mo ulted so no itani lo san
sudden tusk
yeah
apollo snowballing mid game would have been way better
but its lookin rough. apollo is not good when behind
warm crag
supportish vindicta? with hero aura
south kayak
What is this language
sudden tusk
its also just more celese lockdown
marble pilot
Sounds like moba talk but I couldnt say which one
inner hull
deadlock hype
willow cradle
Oh I heard about that one
warm crag
blue woman down
warm zephyr
what protocol is best to invest in early for singularity trinket
ember gulch
If you talent into it, when trying to get your whirlwind stacks back, is there any reason to ever not use thunderclap rather than whirlwind?
tight roost
If youre thane you use tclap for ww stacks if thats what you mean
ember gulch
Yeah that's what I meant, thanks 🙂
tight roost
Yeah thane doesnt use ww
hybrid yew
When did they make recklessness part of our gcd and not usable any time instantly? 😭
warm crag
are you sure you are not using a cd macro with a gcd on it
south kayak
When did they make recklessness part of our gcd and not usable any time instantl...
They didn't
warm crag
the stalling is crazy
sudden tusk
SHEEESH
warm crag
mo or mina mvp
sudden tusk
mina for sure
warm crag
idk mo won the game with insane combos on celeste in midgame
ember gulch
Never mind which one does more damage, which one do you think is more fun? Slayer/Thane?
sudden tusk
thane
ember gulch
lightning go brr
sullen cloak
does anyone know how to get round the rank 9 Amani quest not showing up for the champion necklace pleas?
ember gulch
Its a shame cuz bladestorm is one of my favourite spells
smoky vale
then just play slayer
sudden tusk
i wana see a mo ban
warm crag
sudden tusk
lmaooo
round prawn
does anyone know how to get round the rank 9 Amani quest not showing up for the ...
You need to do the abundance intro , then pick the quest up from the quarter master then do X2 abundances
sullen cloak
ok bud thank you. what is the abundance intro ?
round prawn
ok bud thank you. what is the abundance intro ?
hot shell
Dungeons of DooDoo, fun stuff
Anyone ever got more than 900 of those essense thingies ?
bleak bluff
hello guys
hope you all are enjoying midnight
quick question
when it comes to heroic dungeons
do you play thane or slayer?
I understand
Thanks in advance
brittle crow
hello guys
hope you all are enjoying midnight
quick question
when it comes to he...
thane
imo
tardy matrix
Never mind which one does more damage, which one do you think is more fun? Slaye...
Bladestorm go brrrrrrrr
Though I do miss avatar
But not enough to be temu Odin
dense elbow
temu... Odin?
warm crag
just smashed my 84-inch TV in rage. Abrahams is embarrassing me in front of my entire family. My 2 children are in tears, scared of my rage as I pace around the room trembling. I can't take this anymore. Fire Dimov immediately or my kids will not get dinner tommorow
tardy matrix
temu... Odin?
Thane.
dense elbow
What does Odin and Thane got to do with eachother?
wild glade
Hey hey 👋 first time warrior player, landed on fury thought id come say hello
tardy matrix
What does Odin and Thane got to do with eachother?
The lightning?
sleek comet
Am i missing something? Heart of Wind doesn't seem the best pick here
tardy matrix
Hey hey 👋 first time warrior player, landed on fury thought id come say hello
Welcome to ungabunga fun time
dense elbow
The lightning?
Odin isnt very known for his lightning?
wild glade
Welcome to ungabunga fun time
It is extremely fun, getting owned on the meters by every range class less so 🤣
tardy matrix
Odin isnt very known for his lightning?
Look man I'm a warrior player brain no work good. I meant Zeus.
dense elbow
Aight
tardy matrix
It is extremely fun, getting owned on the meters by every range class less so 🤣
You can sometimes do better if they're dookie
(I am also dookie)
wild glade
Melee seems to always be like this, needs a big whacking stick to whack good and casters not so much
Im sure it'll get better
gusty cloak
which amani quest neck was better to take?
wild glade
Yeah you definitely need good weapons
I have sweet fuck all for haste as well
warm crag
But blizz said haha fuck you 4 sparks
arent you still paying the same amount of weeks for a craft as in tww tho
wild glade
But blizz said haha fuck you 4 sparks
Yeah i want whatever they're smoking
warm crag
like you still have it extremely comfy with a free offhand upgrade for the price of one 2h craft
tardy matrix
arent you still paying the same amount of weeks for a craft as in tww tho
Weapons were 2 I'm pretty sure no
warm crag
yeah but you get a spark a week
wild glade
They were 2 but half a spark a week
warm crag
no more spark halves or
wild glade
Think its 1 per week now?
tardy matrix
idk it just feels wrong, it might end up being all the same in the end
wild glade
I dunno i got that quest for the first spark last night but haven't seen anything for another spark this week
warm crag
to my knowledge literally nothing has changed to your crafting behaviour other than you can technically craft a weapon on mythic release week instead of week 2
hot shell
You get 1 spark per week instead of 1 fractured spark every week. Hence u need 2 / 4 sparks now. Its still the same time you need to gather it. U just save ressources for "crafting" the spark
tardy matrix
which amani quest neck was better to take?
Always best to sim but I believe the consensus was crit/haste was simming higher for most
warm crag
literally just pick whatever you are replacing that in a week
wild glade
You get 1 spark per week instead of 1 fractured spark every week. Hence u need 2...
So where does the 2nd one come from for this week?
hot shell
One from world tour and one from weekly quest
warm crag
wowhead says midnight world tour quest and the unity weekly
sudden tusk
LETS GO SLACKS
wild glade
Yeah i got first 1 yesterday from world tour
But wasn't sure what the other was
We thinking its worth rep grinding for the champ bits? Im out of m0s so 🤷
hot shell
I mean.. just do it, i guess?
M0s are so easy you dont even need to upgrade your gear from tww. So i assume m+ hero pieces will be freeloot
brittle crow
complete waste of your time
u need rep for the meta achievement anyways
wild glade
I dunno what else is worth doing at this point really
brittle crow
do it now
hot shell
Just a way to spend time until all content releases
warm crag
u need rep for the meta achievement anyways
what does that give
brittle crow
mount
wild glade
Mounts don't make me hit harder 🙁
brittle crow
mounts and transmog the only content u can take out of an expac
warm crag
ill dm you when i start caring about that
hot shell
If u wanna flex mounts just sit on an old unobtainable gladiator mount, who cares about meta acvm
warm crag
self reporting as a pvp player might be worse
warm crag
@sudden tusk why is slacks getting bullied like this
hot shell
i dont flex them i collect them never to be seen
As long as you have over 1000 mounts ill allow the flex
gusty cloak
big numbers
tardy matrix
I was excited then saw this mount is kinda mid 🙁
hot shell
That event feels like a massive timewaste and i cant explain exactly why. Probably cause its less rewarding than the arathi invasion thing from hallowfall
sudden tusk
its p good xp if you mob tag
slim coral
We thinking its worth rep grinding for the champ bits? Im out of m0s so 🤷
It’s technically worth it
But the worth varies depending on the type of player you are
It’s all getting replaced day one of the season regardless
frank crystal
Thane for keys ? Or slayer ?
slim coral
Thane is technically better
But you can still play slayer if you prefer it
Just depends on the damage profile you want
cursive pivot
so are we pretty much using execute whenever its available in MT?
lethal quiver
is fury viable with 1 handed weapons?
i'm a main tank, so i will prioritize 1h
cursive pivot
fury is two 2handers
empty mirage
fury rotation wild now i pop avatar reck of then just rb thunder clap rb thunder clap rb thunder clap rb thunder clap rb thunder clap rb thunder clap 200k dps
bb not even needed atp
glossy lichen
Are these attuned trinkets like Crucible of Erratic Energies and Drum of Renewed Bonds simming correctly?
lavish sierra
fury rotation wild now i pop avatar reck of then just rb thunder clap rb thunder...
I can't argue with the results but that feels wrong
turbid bay
Is rampaging ruin any good to take at all with the cancel macro?
smoky vale
no
midnight kite
Are these attuned trinkets like Crucible of Erratic Energies and Drum of Renewed...
Drums seems to sim the correct buff
Crucible dosent seem to be implemented in sims currently
wild glade
how good is the trinket for singulatirty rep? im kinda close so maybe ill go grab
pearl sequoia
full siren
how good is the trinket for singulatirty rep? im kinda close so maybe ill go gra...
sim it but it was only 150 dps over 170 screams when i ran mine
slim coral
so are we pretty much using execute whenever its available in MT?
For slayer yes
cursive pivot
For slayer yes
but for moutain thane?
restive edge
I asked a while ago but I forgot, im turning my warrior horde to level with some buddies, whats the best horde race for fury?
slim coral
but for moutain thane?
Just pretend execute doesn’t exist
stoic kindle
I asked a while ago but I forgot, im turning my warrior horde to level with some...
race literally doesnt matter unless youre pushing rank 1 titles or hof
cursive pivot
Just pretend execute doesn’t exist
oh ok. well this might explain a lot, lol.
hot shell
I asked a while ago but I forgot, im turning my warrior horde to level with some...
Female orc. Best transmog, best dw moveset
bitter palm
only real answer
alpine palm
Is Dwarf racial looking particularly useful for this seasons dungeons?
wild glade
aug is back
wheat meteor
how come fury feels so dull now
wild glade
its always been 2 buttons dw
alpine palm
how come fury feels so dull now
Personally, its fewer reap procs
wheat meteor
i think the rage generation feels off
also having high prio on execute feels a bit off
alpine palm
That definitely felt true while leveling. Havent played much at 90 so unsure if it gets better with more haste
Otherwise it feels basically the same to me. Just pressing BT over RB and Execute higher prio
I was hoping that tier set would make Fury feel more punchy but...its just more frequent Odyns Fury, which is almost identical visually to Whirlwind
olive wraith
also having high prio on execute feels a bit off
That not an execute issue if the two were related
cursive pivot
so should we be using MT or Slayer for M+?
alpine palm
Mountain Thane
Slayer is only marginally stronger than MT in ST
MT outperforms Slayer in all multitarget scenarios
And the margin grows with target count
cursive pivot
thats what i thought, but i think im screwin up the rotation now.
restive edge
How's Haranir?
swift dust
So, my dps seems low compared to the people I'm running with. Did Maisara and only did 42K at 235 ilevel, and the Ret Paladin did 40K at 220. Am I just not executing the rotation well enough?
river willow
fury rotation wild now i pop avatar reck of then just rb thunder clap rb thunder...
Rb did you mean rampage? Sorry new to fury
alpine palm
Rb did you mean rampage? Sorry new to fury
You'll enrage from the BT cast and you want to Rampage >110 Rage in ST and >120 rage in multitarget. That's what wowhead states, anyway
empty mirage
Rb did you mean rampage? Sorry new to fury
yeah that my b
alpine palm
So, my dps seems low compared to the people I'm running with. Did Maisara and o...
Solid way to tell is Sim yourself for roughly the duration of your combat and compare the number of casts in Details w/ what Simbots show
swift dust
Just subjectively, what's decent overall dps in a M0 right now for Fury?
Nevermind, apparently I was in Defensive Stance, kill me now
static rock
Nevermind, apparently I was in Defensive Stance, kill me now
"Omae Wa Mou Shindeiru"
alpine palm
Nevermind, apparently I was in Defensive Stance, kill me now
loool that'll do it
static rock
I would love to know what is good fury damage though
swift dust
On a better note, has anyone played around with this trinket?
alpine palm
I would love to know what is good fury damage though
Watching Noxiv rn. ~34-36k ST and 50-60k MT
Dayum ok they did a fatty pull and its like 90-110k
Dunno if that's helpful
viral moon
Hey guys i have a brain scratcher
Does the Bladestorm free bloodthrists get buffed by WW?
alpine palm
Im guessing not or the standard rotation would include always Whirlwind before Bladestorm
at least in MT
viral moon
Yeah im slayer
edgy widget
Does the Bladestorm free bloodthrists get buffed by WW?
they do not cleave, no
viral moon
Im just wondering cos without the addons showing specific amount of hits i cant tell
alpine palm
Oh sorry, I meant MT as in multitarget
viral moon
Ah sadge
edgy widget
they do everything else that Bloodthirt does though
viral moon
Also is it always worth using both other cds in reklessness
astral coral
yes you always pair Bladestorm or Avatar with Reck
viral moon
I was just pissing around and no where says blood>exectute in reck
edgy widget
OF only if it lines up anyway
Bladestorm should go during Reck, but it can be really funky to align sometimes, so kinda just use your judgement based on time left in the pack, what pack is coming next, etc
viral moon
isnt the buff that blood gets during reck worth the small loss in rage from maybe 1 less execute in a reck window
alpine palm
I don't know if it changed, but last season Simbots priority list had you hold BS only if Avatar is 8 sec or less on CD
final eagle
Do we have a Sheet with sims for this xpac??
viral moon
I know outside reck Execute is better prio right? i mean 25 vs 8 rage
edgy widget
I don't know if it changed, but last season Simbots priority list had you hold B...
its a new expansion, practically everything has changed
viral moon
I like fury feels similar to legion except all 3 cds with the set bonus will go lower with buttons being pressed
alpine palm
iirc Sudden Death procs are higher priority than BT regardless of Reck and Execute w/o Sudden Death is beneath BT
viral moon
Im curios when haste will hit for less then mastery since we have the choice node we can kinda go ALL in on haste then swap the talent if needed its nice
alpine palm
Yea the class plays nearly identically.
viral moon
it will play faster now u have cdr on all 3 of ur cds
astral coral
am i the only one that doesnt like the current state of RB and RP. they both feel so unrewarding to press.
viral moon
So u could go in to every pack with all ur cds in M+ with high haste i feel
alpine palm
it will play faster now u have cdr on all 3 of ur cds
Cant have Avatar, Recklessness and Bladestorm unfort
alpine palm
Agreed. Nice part of warrior is it feels like you are either in your damage or about to be in your dam window
edgy widget
YEah rampage damage feels bleh
Rampage is like 25% of your damage, lmao
viral moon
Yeah even outside cds ur aoe dps is nice
And raging blow sucks dick
in single and aoe its a wet noodle
edgy widget
that's why it's not prio anymore, what does that have to do with rampage though?
alpine palm
Idk the rage reduction on Rampage feels pretty cool I think
bitter palm
trying to satisfy wow players is the hardest thing to do
viral moon
I was suprised i did more dps ignoring it in aoe
bitter palm
"we want bt to be used!!!"
edgy widget
You were surprised you did more damage not pressing the lowest priority button?
viral moon
Hahah yeah i was surpised while doing dungeons how bloody hard bloodthirst specially inside reck it hits
edgy widget
you don't really have room to press RB in the rota anymore anyway
viral moon
Yeah i like bt being good feels nice to use
edgy widget
wait so you think BT feels good but Rampage is bleh?
I'm so confused by this perception lol
serene socket
given the pruning you would think they would have just removed RB and replaced it with BT outright, but we got to keep all of our abilities which is cool
edgy widget
i dont think fury without rb would work
it would work, you'd just press WW a lot more
it wouldn't be better at all
bitter palm
y thats what i meant
edgy widget
you'd have to adjust rage, cause weak or not RB is still a big rage generator
serene socket
right i guess we need the filler somewhere thats not whirlwind
edgy widget
well we don't need it, but we would need to adjust things to account for it
viral moon
Well rampage in legion did really fat damage compared to now
edgy widget
I don't mind BT hitting hard either, but it is very lame that both builds play practically the same talents
viral moon
They could buff ww daamge and rage gen on st and remove RB
tbh
It wouldnt even have to be much
edgy widget
Well rampage in legion did really fat damage compared to now
as a percentage of your damage, Rampage is generally higher now than it was in Legion
viral moon
Is it ?
edgy widget
they're pretty close, but in Legion it was like 15-20%
and now it's like 15-25% depending on build
alpine palm
Does BT being higher prio inadvertently make Fury a bit more durable from the BT heal?
viral moon
I mean legion is what 6 years ago its hard to remember i dunno which tiers i did or didnt play my alt war
edgy widget
Does BT being higher prio inadvertently make Fury a bit more durable from the BT...
I wouldn't say significantly, no; it's rarely effective healing
but it can be helpful in some situations, sure
alpine palm
ahh
edgy widget
questing is kind of a joke anywya, but victory rush carries very hard, yeah
viral moon
from what i have seen
edgy widget
it does help sustain a little bit against strong rares and such
viral moon
quite a few rares can hurt alot
specially if u dont burst down any friends they bring
edgy widget
in group content where you have dedicated healers though, that extra little bit of heal from BT is rarely important outside of very heavy rot damage fights
viral moon
Yeah its not like ur a warlock or havoc dh with all that fat leach and shields free all the time haha
edgy widget
might help you live slightly longer on something like G'huun or Broodkeeper, but it's not the difference between unkillable and death or anything; though Warriors are generally strong in those situations anyway since they can sit in DStance and spread out their other defensive CDs
viral moon
thanks for the feedback guys im off to bed more leveling with alts tomorrow
alpine palm
Speaking of....surely Blizz will make Enraged Regeneration more accessible in the class tree, yea?
Or are we just without wall
edgy widget
main advantage of a BT-first rortation is you don't have to worry about stopping your rotation to heal with ER, since you're pressing BT anyway
edgy widget
Speaking of....surely Blizz will make Enraged Regeneration more accessible in th...
Defensive Stance carries hard, but it's actually really easy to drop Massacre for ER
Massacre doesn't account for too much in a M+, especially if you're playing Thane instead of Slayer
multitarget raid fights probably have the worst of it, but there's a good chance you end up skipping Improved Whirlwind if adds die fast enough
alpine palm
Thank ya
astral coral
wrong channel i know but do you guys think arms warri will get a complete overhaul in Midnight like frost dk in tww?
deft palm
how often are we pressing RB?
alpine palm
When everything but WW is on CD
gaunt fulcrum
I can't find any data on if theres any difference in which weapon should go main hand/off hand is there any rules of thumb?
astral coral
higher itemlvl=mainhand
alpine palm
Ya that's the only rule im aware of
gaunt fulcrum
ok nice so if i got the same ilvl in both its just neutral? no diff for attack speed or anything?
astral coral
there is nothing else these days. 2h weapons all have the same atk speed and the min-max dmg differences between swords axes and maces is so little that it makes zero difference
alpine palm
Nop, RB/Crushing Blow are very very low prio
deft palm
damn what did they do to RB
alpine palm
Swapped with Bloodthirst
astral coral
wasnt that the filler that buffed the crit chance on the next bt?
gaunt fulcrum
Thanks!
deft palm
wasnt that the filler that buffed the crit chance on the next bt?
I think it increased haste stacking up to 3 times
alpine palm
Rampage does that now and stacks to 4x
deft palm
thats true
i like the hero talent
its fun
I think they did with fury its not bad its kinda the same for the most part
but Arms.... what went wrong
alpine palm
Ye its kind of....bait in a way, though. So far as I can tell, you'll rarely double rampage if following rotation correctly, but the hero talent makes me wanna spam it
deft palm
we only rampage at 120 or when we need to be enraged right?
id imagine being enraged takes prio over rampage
alpine palm
Lemme double check, its 110 rage ST 120 rage MT or vice versa
Yea other way around. 120 rage in ST and 110 in MT
deft palm
ok cool
alpine palm
Oh wait, Wowhead info has changed a bit
deft palm
oh
alpine palm
It reads 120 in ST and above 100 in MT now
ahhh fuck me, sorry. I was looking at Mountain Thane. For slayer it is >120 in ST and > 110 in MT
deft palm
ok good
alpine palm
I was just looking over Raidbot's action priority list and I noticed that Raidbots prio list shows to execute when Sudden Death stacks = 2, but Wowhead doesn't make this stack distinction. Is there much of a difference in DPS executing when at 1 or 2 stacks of Sudden Death?
alpine palm
That may have simply been the highest priority ability available at that time
mortal ivy
idk reck in slayer you never htting CB at all rarely and i mean rarely will you have a free Global for it during reck your pressing either Rampage Bloodbath or SD procs or refresing Rend or whirlwind refresh. as slayer. its usually like charge/reck/rend/odyns/Bloodbath/Bladestorm when you come out of BS you go into BB into 2x ramp BB 2x Ramp and you get sudden death procs that you slip in there before Ramps to boost ramp damage
rarely will you ever have room for let alone one but two crushing blows lol
alpine palm
so is it bad to hit a non lit up rampage
This is the Raidbots Fury war action priority list. Rampage if > 115 rage -> Bloodthirst -> Rampage
alpine palm
so is it bad to hit a non lit up rampage
So, no its not a bad thing necessarily. Just depends on what abilities are on cooldown/available when you do
fiery edge
hell ye noxiv playing slayer
rare garnet
m0 world tour done, only made it to 238 rip my ancestors mourn
young swan
for 115 rage
maximize enrage
vivid pollen
is mountain thane back in any capacity?
alpine palm
Yea its better than Slayer in all but ST
young swan
between the two specs
limpid tide
i enjoy slayer way more than thane
vivid pollen
is slayer running bladestorm at least yet
limpid tide
even if im not doing more dam feel like i am
rare garnet
maximize enrage
the sandbagging apl goes hard, wonder when it gets implimented
young swan
idk what ur talking about
alpine palm
is slayer running bladestorm at least yet
Yaa meta build runs BS over Ava
mortal ivy
the sandbagging apl goes hard, wonder when it gets implimented
must be why im doing almost 10-15k more single target then the fury warriors they holding that rage lol
vivid pollen
finally
rare garnet
idk what ur talking about
whatever this ones using, seems like the apl has like tons more lines and a lot more damage, was just making a funny
young swan
its pre-trinket nerfs
rare garnet
i mean, just copying the apl they're using is like 6.5% higher than what is on raidbots for me, so no idea
about trinkets or whatever
young swan
good luck tracking all this
rare garnet
hahaha, fr fr
alpine palm
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTxbz0VzPWK0j2_1mNqcOGX0Lgrnha3k...
Wow yeah. You weren't joking. Its like more than double what Raidbots APL has
rare garnet
it is very human
alpine palm
I assume the current Raidbots APL is meant to be closer to human replicable than what Im seeing
young swan
thats usually what gets pushed live, yeah
it gets pruned down from the thing that only occur once or twice (or less) and account for a small dps loss
rare garnet
has our updated apl been pushed to raidbots?
young swan
that would be a question for archi
rare garnet
the 'realistic' verison of whatever hyper robot the above is lol
young swan
someone send me a quick sim of their character
alpine palm
Mogging my DPS :C
alpine palm
haha
rare garnet
slayer bros
rare garnet
i think my concern is, making it simpler actually makes it go up though, the current one seems problematic, but maybe its a tier issue
alpine palm
Its interesting to learn about this process, though. Who has the final say on what is or isn't in the APL?
young swan
archi
alpine palm
Oh neat
vivid pollen
wtf does apl stand for
young swan
action priority list
nocturne bluff
I don't trust sims at all... Raidbot has me at 29k but I usually sustain 30-31k on target dummy. Also, rampage is by far the highest damage, doubling second place. This has execute swapping places
alpine palm
Are you simming on target dummies? Its an option
nocturne bluff
good idea
alpine palm
Though it will force you to sim without any pots
rare garnet
idk if theres plans to add more complexity or not
nocturne bluff
yeah this is totally out to lunch
rampage 4th place is crazy
to mention nothing of bloodbath taking #1
alpine palm
Its also worth noting that Raidbots is simming thousands of iterations and is showing you the mean. People can and will often beat their sim numbers
young swan
should check reap contribution on bb, bt, and execute
alpine palm
But this isn't an error in Raidbot's, the player simply had 'luckier' RNG
young swan
im not gonna claim to know whats going on with sims rn cause i ahve no idea
but its also pre-raid, its prob safe to assume theres wrinkles to be ironed out yet
rare garnet
im just assuming they're still cooking things and its weird with our shit gear and no tier
young swan
prob something like that
young swan
fury being rng heavy also doesn't help
its one of the lowest variance specs in the game
rare garnet
was gonna say, we're very flat and very consistent
nocturne bluff
doesn't feel that way to me with slayer procs
young swan
standard deviation of like 2%
nocturne bluff
hmm
modest condor
sims are still using prepatch apl
young swan
thanks silm
rare garnet
how dare my free TCs not have it updated and adjusted by every single ilevel and gear setup what am i paying them for!
odd crater
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wsJm4nVrYEpd2VHpE9vgyU
How you guys getting Sims so high x.x
rare garnet
was a joke i love ya'll
modest condor
blame sarri for making the apl way too complicated so archi has to put more effort into making it more reasonable 
young swan
yeah sarri apls notoriously insane
rare garnet
after getting all my hunts and m0 world tour and getting to 238 ilevel AND using the secret very human APL, im proud to say i almost sim as much as a 200 fresh 90 mage
we're ramping hard af chat
limpid tide
did u get ur rep gear too?
rare garnet
yeah
limpid tide
ah nice
rare garnet
technically i could toss a bunch of crests at my vet weapon but that seems really silly at this point
since the checklist overlord said save them
odd crater
Am I crazy or someone posted a 40k+ Sim here, right?
young swan
yeah
stoic kindle
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wsJm4nVrYEpd2VHpE9vgyU
How you guys gett...
wrong consumables
odd crater
wrong consumables
I've never sim'd before now, how do I adjust the consumables?
rare garnet
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/viaH9dF8wZxGC9KeuVseTM
did you enchant?
so rich
stoic kindle
did you enchant?
no
rare garnet
odd crater
wrong consumables
Switching Consumables was it. Appreciate the help.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bxQz65hf3RbPDuDL3DxT3m
stoic kindle
more crazy thing is my udk sims almost 70k xdd
odd crater
Is there an alternative Trinket tier list rather than the one on WoWhead?
Also I'm an idiot, I was simming in PvP spec.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bs2zBSJcBYqJpCgdQTh2fv
rare garnet
Is there an alternative Trinket tier list rather than the one on WoWhead?
just sim all the trinkets you actually have
dont worry about it at this point
odd crater
It was more so if it was worth target farming some of the rare mob trinket drops
rare garnet
generally no and absolutely not currently, unless you're like super bored or something
at that point, just farm every trinket XD
i could never justify 40 m+ runs to target farm a trinket for like 1% dps gains
odd crater
Yeah lol, more so the bored aspect. But appreciate the insight
rare garnet
but others feel its worth 100 runs to get that extra bit of dammy
rare garnet
Yeah lol, more so the bored aspect. But appreciate the insight
embrace the truth
odd crater
What did I miss?
oblique thistle
Slayer is fun
rare garnet
join us
alpine palm
Slayer is fun
Tell scott to get his shit together
odd crater
Slayer is my beloved
oblique thistle
I have no idea what he was doing
alpine palm
haha
alpine palm
Noice. Surprising to see reap above BT
oblique thistle
RNG most likely
alpine palm
and by a wide margin
oblique thistle
I must've gotten lucky with BT reap procs because I didn't proc it too much off sudden death
alpine palm
why is Bladestorm listed twice
alpine palm
ahh
oblique thistle
I think I turned it on for questing or something I can't remember why
Kinda blasts in aoe tho
violent euphoria with low haste values feels really nice
makes bladestorm a lot more fun to press because of the big dopamine hit right after
oh the M+ build does take culling cyclone
I guess I'm just used to it being brutal finish
edgy widget
Kinda blasts in aoe tho
technically it adds the same amount of damage in st as multitarget
cause the damage is split among targets
but it is actaully a p good talent now, and it does add up
frank crystal
Kinda blasts in aoe tho
Can you link your talents ?
edgy widget
I think I'm on culling cyclone
I actually just checked and Bladestorm also splits MH/OH even without culling talented 
I didn't think it was during prepatch, but I might be misremembering
oblique thistle
Can you link your talents ?
Wowhead slayer M+ build
oblique thistle
I actually just checked and Bladestorm also splits MH/OH even without culling ta...
Yeah I figured it could also be something like this
Still, nice to see bladestorm doing a nice big chunk of damage
earnest canyon
Whoever it was that did the spreadsheet showing all classes and how much their tier increased dps last time, have they done it again this time?
I cant remember the name
earnest canyon
Oh thanks. Do you knwo if they have done it for this tier?
tawny pawn
Slayer is fun
Show you talent please)
ionic hamlet
I havent had too much issues playing Thane. But, I've been experimenting learning Slayer, I get a bit confused on the cd usage. We're essentially juggling 4 cds at different cd timers (2 shared). How do we plan when to use what? Is using Odyns by itself troll? or use Bladestorm by itself not worth it?
native wadi
How were the m+
Are we doomed?
How ops are mages and dks for the 11th time in a row?
olive wraith
We aren’t the worst
kind python
Are fury sims upto date?
oblique thistle
Show you talent please)
Wowhead slayer M+
compact knot
How ops are mages and dks for the 11th time in a row?
i played both
- warrior
arcane rinses everyone in damage and its not close, but you die to a slight breeze
unholy idk how to feel you do infinite damage in cds so everything just dies
but then 10k dps max outside cds
sly wave
arcane rinses everyone in damage and its not close, but you die to a slight bree...
Yeah, I'm levelling up a mage so I can finally wear robes! (Because usually, they don't really suit my drooling orc)
heavy ruin
I've heard good things about the boomstick, but I haven't tried it out yet
zinc python
should we grab the crit/haste neck from amani or the vers/mastery one?
heavy ruin
I think haste is pretty damn good at the start of an expac
earnest canyon
What about survi hunters? Thinking of leveling an alt
It's mid now. Fury is better.
brittle crow
why is upgrading a champ item a waste over a vet item
dont they use the same crests
(im not using any crests rn i stole this screenshot from the guide)
vague stump
why is upgrading a champ item a waste over a vet item
they overlap so if you have a 250 lvl vet peice you can upgarde the 1/6 champ item to 250 for free
brittle crow
they overlap so if you have a 250 lvl vet peice you can upgarde the 1/6 champ it...
but ur spending crests either way
whole pebble
Kinda blasts in aoe tho
What is your rotation exactly ? (I’m a new war and i play slayer)
vague stump
yeah but vet crests are pointless so your better off using them than using champ ones that will come in handy for early content
all depends what content you do if your not an early mythic min maxer then it really doesnt matter
rancid elbow
Is slayer out performing MT?
slim pollen
but ur spending crests either way
Vet track only uses vet crests. Upgrading the last levels of vet track saves champ crests
brittle crow
ic
vague stump
Is slayer out performing MT?
rancid elbow
so basically play what you want
vague stump
^^ until tuning patch on the 18th is live most definitely just play whatever the fuck you like
ornate coral
Should I only use bloodbath in single target?
summer quail
Should I only use bloodbath in single target?
no. bloodbath very good button
ornate coral
so I should use bloodbath in multi target aswell?
summer quail
yes
vestal fjord
and we shouldnt use raging blow? in the sim iteration there are almost 0 for mt
vague stump
RB is only a filler to be used when nothing else is available
vestal fjord
RB is only a filler to be used when nothing else is available
thy
rigid flicker
Could anyone send me a slayer M+ talent build please 
vestal fjord
Could anyone send me a slayer M+ talent build please <:yep:703420923625078804>
think you can get from the excel above
rigid flicker
think you can get from the excel above
Sure did thank you very much!
digital mauve
RB is only a filler to be used when nothing else is available
Well once you used ramonage and your bloodbath you dont have anything else but to press RB, of your WW is already applied so you kinda use it a lot ?
vestal fjord
and outside of cd? should i prio blood over rb?
vague stump
Well once you used ramonage and your bloodbath you dont have anything else but t...
if you're on about slayer you should be pressing rend if BT is on cd then if you have literally zero buttons left you should press RB
fiery edge
upgrading item worth now or save crest?
lone plume
Is it possible to make a build without raging blow as Thane?
open mountain
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTxbz0VzPWK0j2_1mNqcOGX0Lgrnha3k...
do we have channels were we can help/discuss theorycrafting stuff like this spreadsheet / apl things ? i remember at rogue discord it was pretty open, did not find anything here?
but thanks for the link 🙂
vague stump
no idea probably is but between the people that think about these things. tbh there isnt much thinking required with fury as its a pretty easy spec in that regards
mossy cove
Would UH dk make a good alt to fury warrior do you guys thing?
vague stump
I always have a DK alt if you normally play mele dps then you will always want a DK
junior crag
upgrading item worth now or save crest?
Reddit
dark vortex
is it worth crafting weapon with spark now or what is the best alternative here? 🙂
lofty delta
why is upgrading a champ item a waste over a vet item
is this an addon?
junior crag
Save crest this guide says
radiant plank
do we have channels were we can help/discuss theorycrafting stuff like this spre...
yeah in the respective spec channels
lament gazelle
as slayer do we actively engage in rending or is it more of a "ihave nothing else to press" button?
radiant plank
use it as a filler above rb if u have less than 6 seconds remaining of it
slim coral
is it worth crafting weapon with spark now or what is the best alternative here?...
you shoud wait
also it takes 4 sparks for us
terse spire
Do we use Odins fury outside of Rek/Avatar?
jovial dagger
also it takes 4 sparks for us
./cry
question abt the rotation , when u do ava + reck u get 2 procs of thunder clap , do u do both one by one or do 1 , 4 skills ,do 2nd , get another prock , and so on ?
slim coral
Do we use Odins fury outside of Rek/Avatar?
yes esp with tier set because you'll be getting a lot of cdr on it
slim coral
question abt the rotation , when u do ava + reck u get 2 procs of thunder clap ,...
you want to send TC's as much as you can while weaving in abilites between them
esp during avatar bc TC extends avatar
tiny seal
Rampage is a pretty low prio button when were engaged right? also doesnt feel that great damage wise and doesnt consume that much rage because of apex talents
i am rage capped a lot during cds for example because theres a lot of bloodbaths to press which is obv better then rampage
sand thistle
Can someone help me how can I run custom APLs in Raidbots? DO I have to copy the full APL list from github and tweak it or just individual parts?
keen nimbus
oh hold up
so we cant craft a 2h for another 2 weeks ?
i missed that part of info, holy crap
stoic kindle
i missed that part of info, holy crap
they removed half sparks, but they doubled the amount of sparks needed for crafts
keen nimbus
arent we getting more punisdhed then other classes ?
ornate coral
OT: After completing all of the dungeons on mythic difficulty, what should I focus on? Delves and quests?
rare forum
Transmog farming, since its the true endgame.
pseudo carbon
Fishing
warm crag
arent we getting more punisdhed then other classes ?
No you technically get an advantage because of free offhand upgrades
undone flower
Can someone help me how can I run custom APLs in Raidbots? DO I have to copy the...
you go into advanced, you paste your string and add copy="name" under it, then your modified apl
shut harness
is there an alternative to the spell reflect weak aura?
sand thistle
you go into advanced, you paste your string and add copy="name" under it, then y...
and do I need the full apl for all hero talents or I can just use Slayer actions only?
undone flower
i copy paste the whole apl, so idk
https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/blob/midnight/ActionPriorityLists/default/warrior_fury.simc
you take that on whatever app you want to use and modify it, then post under copy="Slayer RB>BT" or stuff like that
it will not do the thane apl if you are not thane
and be inspired by other lines for how the syntax works or ask brain ppl here
sand thistle
do you also copy your characeter info or just the apl after the ''copy="name-here" @undone flower ?
undone flower
no, the "default" is your string from /simc, each copy will use it with whatever you have between each copy="name"
like you see my paste above, i just change the race
message me if you need more help so i don't flood here too much
molten wing
is there a reason to keep my adventure crests or can i send those
stoic kindle
is there a reason to keep my adventure crests or can i send those
only if you still have some adventure pieces on raid release, you can upgrade those pieces to max
but you will have 400 crests by that week
- how many boxes u do, 20 per
molten wing
Do it beer
did it!
spare steppe
I cannot get a weapon to drop 🙁
fading sky
Ngl i bought 2 x adventure weaps
keen nimbus
If you get a Dawnforged War mace made, it can be crafted upto ilvl 237 ?
unborn delta
I got vet weapon
mortal ivy
Yeah I got lucky with 250 purple drops for the mythic 0 week I think 259 is highest crafted seen rogue have a dagger. One hander but I don’t think two handers can be crafted yet with spark count
fading sky
2h when raid opens
cold sparrow
Hey do we have to start crafting weapons now or keep them for later ?
unborn delta
crafting one now is kinda a waste of veteran crests because you could just do 2x m0 tours and you might get a veteran weapon. but the first use of mythic crests should probably be crafting a mythic weapon
especially so for fury because it lets you upgrade your offhand for free
cold sparrow
« Mythic crests » ?
unborn delta
yea we cant get those yet
currently we cant get champ hero or myth crests just veteran
you could craft the vet weapon then recraft it with myth crests in a few weeks though
cold sparrow
How do we get them ? Weekly ?
austere acorn
What spellque window should i use for fury with 25ms ? No matter what I try I always feel faster specs such as fury feels sluggish
unborn delta
the season technically doesnt start for another few weeks, once mythic+ and mythic raid comes out we can get mythic crests
unborn delta
What spellque window should i use for fury with 25ms ? No matter what I try I al...
tbh this was more of a problem last season, our gcd slowed down a lot so its chill now
i really dont like super low spell queue windows because you can press it a little too early and it messes up and doesnt queue
undone flower
I think 200+ ping is the minimum advised
unborn delta
i think critcake uses 150 if you want to be a sheep
but im on the 200-300 range i think
default is 400 which is probably fine this season tbh
round prawn
you'd have to adjust rage, cause weak or not RB is still a big rage generator
Couldn't they just add a bit of rage gen to WW? (and get rid of RB)
undone flower
And the spell queue number is the max, you can override your spells from 0 (your ping) to your spell queue number
austere acorn
I still feel like whether I set it to 150, 180, 200, 250, 300 or 400 no matter what I have moments in the rotation where I feel like I get to press a button like 3 times (I usually click rapidly all combat) before it actually goes off even though I can see the GCD have finished 🤔
Only really notice it when playing Fury or the TWW Enhancement as an example
chrome plover
thats a different issue to sqw
rare garnet
you'd have to adjust rage, cause weak or not RB is still a big rage generator
It’s kinda funny not binding RB or Rend would still be better than the SBA put you at like 3 buttons and 25% just AFK time. SBA L sadge
chrome plover
you would only have that issue if your sqw was too low
i would set it to 150 + average ms and forget about it
rare garnet
Just set to 150 and adjust by 25 up or down at a target dummy till it “feels” good
finite jetty
Curious, how do yall Fury´s feel about the 4 spark 2h weapon change
rare garnet
Everyone feels it different
rare garnet
Curious, how do yall Fury´s feel about the 4 spark 2h weapon change
What change
austere acorn
Yea I usually have mine set at 185 for every other spec, but I cannot get Fury to "feel" good for some reason