fury

[mortal ivy]

saw a lv 90 fury warrior almost die to rare.. looked at his gear and hes still in all lv 80 gear..

[grave pike]

do we save crests or just use it ?

[rare garnet]

i mean, its adventurer gear so you're probably good to not care or care

[grave pike]

hh true, little research. just incase its worth saving for veteran gear etc

[rich void]

Saaaaaaave

[feral ivy]

feel bad for horde players lol

[tall raft]

hahaha

wtf happend ?

[feral ivy]

warmode on its the intro area to silvermoon + no guards

[tall raft]

haha

[feral ivy]

LOL i LOVE my mog

[sullen dove]

bro is not vamp fatalle

[brittle crow]

is thorim's might really better than gathering clouds

even if we're not pressing RB and execute much

ig u press them a lot in st

[runic violet]

I really can't transmog my weapon and it appears to be single handed

[brittle crow]

do u have it set to 1 handed weapon in the tmog menu?

ur supposed to set it to 2 handed weapon (fury)

[young swan]

u press execute a lot

[brittle crow]

isnt it near bottom prio in aoe

below regular clap

[young swan]

no

well maybe

[brittle crow]

dont lie to me, blue

[young swan]

but u press it more than RB

[runic violet]

it won't even let me do that. I got stuck with

[young swan]

and it still makes every bolt gen rage

[brittle crow]

do u have it set to legion artifact override?

[brittle crow]

tru

[runic violet]

wouldnt' let me switch out... but I will try again when I get back to the city

[feral ivy]

are yall getting alot of RB resets?

[young swan]

also its hard to call it "bottom prio" when all of the things above are conditionals

like its literally just below ramp, BT, and clap

ur still gonna press it

[brittle crow]

ig im just pressing it a lot less now that my nameplates dont let me easily see who i can mouseover execute

this sucks

[feral ivy]

is warlocks FOTM atm?

[young swan]

demo is cracked

[hybrid yew]

are we doing okay? i feel so slow

[young swan]

just the nature of beginning of xpac stats

it'll get better once we can get real gear

[orchid oyster]

Let your fingers rest. Higher ilvl and tier etc will speed things up

[hybrid yew]

my guild also went from 4 warriors last xpac to just me as the sole warrior, i gotta represent

[fiery edge]

holy rampaging malder

[still iron]

when are m0s?

[fiery edge]

after reset i think

[still iron]

normal ilvl m0s?

[young swan]

i think its slightly reduced

240 instead of 248 or something

ah, 246

on raid release

[hybrid yew]

i only end up pressing raging blow when i have literally no other buttons that generate rage

[keen kindle]

if only wow characters could be half as hot as vamp fatalle

[young swan]

how it should be

[keen kindle]

WW generates rage!

[olive wraith]

And rend is better than rb if you need to refresh. But no rage

[hybrid yew]

btw did they fit loot specialization drops for fury and we wont get 1h drops anymore?

or do we still have to do arms loot spec to get only 2h and no 1h

[mortal ivy]

Heroics feeling nice as fury slayer ngl

[fiery edge]

slow af with powerful enraange

[hybrid yew]

huh our tier set just makes odyn's fury better

how boring

[mortal ivy]

I always play frenzied enrage until i atleast get 25%+ hase base its just to slow for me to play warrior with that low of haste. even simming difference single target is like 200 damage diff. AoE is where the diff is about 1.5k diff Ill sacrifice that for faster play style

[fiery edge]

man still loving slayer in midnight

but rend feels so aaah to press

[mortal ivy]

I play only slayer lol arms or fury and ive played arms so long rend is like second nature to me even as fury

my arms almost 90

[fiery edge]

how's arms slayer

[mortal ivy]

4 more levels to go

[fiery edge]

might wanna make annother for it

[mortal ivy]

i played it all beta to 3k+ mythic plus

[fiery edge]

heard it's pretty fun in beta, not after the nerf

[mortal ivy]

I stopped I started late less people were queing for random runs

i played it before and after OP damage way lower for sure

play style still same feels good

to me anyways

[fiery edge]

was never into arms, but is it getting smoother?

[mortal ivy]

ive leveled them both in midnight leveling about same speed

arms when you crit or proc as slayer sometimes one MS just wipes out a enemy because it procs slayer strike and reap same time lol

both have pros and cons i enjoy them both honestly

[keen kindle]

God that sounds so much better then dk

[solid wren]

can anyone plsss help me get the Echoes of Midnight Achievement

[olive wraith]

FYI current tuning for arms is really bad. If you care about that

[somber elk]

Does anyone have a List of rares that drop 2h weaps/plate ?

[lavish flare]

Any idea why I'm only simming 33k at 214 ilvl? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gyu36AirCiPe6iJrhJCPuQ

Some mages/warlocks sim 48k and destroy me in DPS

[dusty cove]

Im liking bloodbath/bloodthirst actually being good to press

[slender cypress]

Mages are simply first class citizens

[sullen dove]

why in gods name why is the dps/total dmg on opposite sides between both tables

[mortal ivy]

it didnt use to have both in each one lol use to just show one not the other

[sullen dove]

[mortal ivy]

That view though ..

[sullen dove]

game

[mortal ivy]

[smoky vale]

https://tenor.com/view/natsumi-suga-weathering-with-you-gif-22425155

[brittle crow]

who she ..

[smoky vale]

https://weatheringwithyou.fandom.com/wiki/Natsumi_Suga

[fiery edge]

ugh, raging blow feels aaaah

[kind python]

Where does thunder clap during avatar rank for aoe prio?

WoWhead has thunder blast and normal thunder clap

[sour frigate]

get mc stacks

[kind python]

What is mc?

[undone flower]

mind control ?

main character ?

or meatcleave

[sullen dove]

probably meatcleaver yes

[robust kernel]

are any darkmoon dekcs worth us getting atm?

[dry talon]

Does slayer perform better on aoe right now?

[sullen dove]

no

[random hill]

https://gyazo.com/d69fca22299c4a1e3cb0305d9b2ae19d

I see a similarity to Barnacle from Half Life

xd

[sullen dove]

lul

[random hill]

very cool warrior mog

[sullen dove]

can they ever not have bugged wqs man

need to get these fish for my 2nd 2hander

[random hill]

😄

[sterile stratus]

do i suck in playing fury or fury sucks atm?

[sullen dove]

could be small combo of both + very early season will play strange if you dont have big gear

like im 225ish now on fury and demolish heroic dungeons but if you like just hit lvl 90 with still questing greens scaling will be very off and you will look/feel very bad

[velvet wraith]

Do you always pair Reck/Avatar with Ody'ns fury on opener ? Or you delay Odyn's fury ?

[sullen dove]

but other than all that play wise idk just kinda wowhead prio of bb/bt>ramp>tclap/blast/execute>rb should be like plenty simple to play

yea no reason not to use odyns under those buffs

so it do more dam

[untold yacht]

hi is that thunderclap here necessary after 1st rampage? I am likely at 130 rage here so I sually do 3 rampages in a row and then bloddbath is that bad?

mountain thane m+

[sterile stratus]

im lvl 87, and my dmg feels terrible, im playing mountain thane, guess its a rotational and scaling thing

ty!

[smoky vale]

i think you are supposed to be pressing thunderclap on cd in aoe

since it just does so much damage

[untold yacht]

ohh ok I was just lost what to press nexy

next

after rampage and thunderclap since i am still quite high in rage

also does that look more or less right for MT m+ rotation?

[wild mural]

am I missing something here, apparently at renown 9 you're meant to be able to buy champ track pieces but I go to the vendor and this is the only item available

is it just an early access thing

[real veldt]

Don't champion things unlock at a later stage?

I mean at a later date

[wild mural]

I saw a wowhead article saying they were available

[summer quail]

think only 1 of them is available atm. i don't have early access so idk

[wild mural]

I see

dumbass game

[dry talon]

u doing hc with thane build?

[sullen dove]

ya

[slow wolf]

DPS is also heavily influenced by the tierset

A class might be terrible without but catch-up with the tierset

[fiery edge]

blizz couldve made set effect for each hero talent like tww

[dry talon]

i was manhandled by slayer build yesterday idk

[fiery edge]

I like Slury, ww hits harder than mid blow in aoe

[sullen dove]

yea tclap hits harder than all tho B)

one think i do find annoying about thane tho is just how much you want to hit like all your buttons but you have way too many good globals than you know what to do with

like u hit your cds reck ava then you have capped rage and 2 charges of tblast and sometimes you get burst of power proc and you want to send 3 bb's in a row

like slayer also has 3 good buttons but you can only have 1 charge of execute

[muted storm]

Is it me or is mythic cursed stone idol still quite good even at 90? crits for 20k on all targets, not sure about target cap

[sullen dove]

but thane you can have multiple charges of all 3 insane abilities and its like annoying to decide prio between all of them

[lean heart]

this is where im at w thane as well

[rare garnet]

its not a purchase, its a quest, thats not available yet, i think probably its tied to the zone events but right now its only up in Voidstorm. This does mean you can get a champ trinket though from getting The Singularity to 7.

[wild mural]

Oh okay

dumbass game

[rare garnet]

wouldn't want us to get ahead of the poor peasants by getting our champ track a week early

[sullen dove]

the other renown items that are solely vendor arent available, the other 3 reps

but you can get the voidstorm renown trinket yeah cuz its just a quest

not bought with marls presumably on reset

[undone flower]

Yeah I find it a bit chaotic at first hand

[sterile stratus]

Do we actually use Execute ? 😄

[sullen dove]

slayer does very much thane not so much but think its still better than rb for thane

[muted carbon]

How did you go from renown 8 to 9? Ive run out of quests/ side quests in that area

[wild mural]

I just did world quests and stuff idk

[warm crag]

level 3 more characters

[eternal sundial]

67

[wild mural]

no

I will level 0 more characters

[smoky vale]

quantos?

[eternal sundial]

seis siente

[smoky vale]

sies o siete

[bitter palm]

gio six seven

[gloomy loom]

hey guys, so were going MT or slayer for m+/raid? 🙂

[feral ivy]

i thought rep 9 was gear past 183?

[sullen dove]

mt m+ slayer raid most likely barring random tuning, also might depend fight by fight if theres some huge aoe on some fights

[undone flower]

It is 246 champ but only the trinket from void storm 7 rep can be acquired (it’s a quest) and you can grab the quest but not complete the one from haranir 8, a belt if I remember

[feral ivy]

ah ok so Tuesday it will be unlocked

[undone flower]

Likely

From what I saw of the 2 quests available, you need to do the weekly zone stuff, but since they are not available

The void storm assault is weird too, but it completes the quest

[rain robin]

hi! new here, quick question
for fury ST, wowhead and icy veins are written by the same guide writer but give a slightly different info and im trying to see if it's an oversight or there's nuance i'm missing

[sullen dove]

yo can we get these followers in to rwf the fuck man? how they gettin 645 gear already

[sullen dove]

eh i figure this ones maybe just a bit of a discrepancy cuz it couldve been written at 2 different times or something but it is kind of like melded to the same meaning imo

like u def wouldnt want to hit bs without enrage ever, and also if you're about to have and use reck you should def save bs for that i think

what is a bigger discrepancy imo is odyns being number 2 on wowhead and not in top 4 on IV but i mean whatever it either might not be talented in IV or just like, rly soon right after the prio shown in the ss but still like up there to hit during cds

[rain robin]

well the source of my question so to speak is the CDR on reck from slayer, if I should ever press it outside of reck

[sullen dove]

i think i got the impression that you should generally hold bs for a good amount of time to make sure its under reck cuz both the bladestorm doing more damage and the unhinged's slinging out bloodbaths instead of bt's on single target is like insanely massive extra dmg + bleed dmg

[rain robin]

oooo

makes sense

[sullen dove]

so honestly i think you may hold bs even as much as like 30ish seconds off reck cd expecting you get it back a little sooner from AM

but thats like for single target considerations i think if theres like 10 mobs around you and there wont be a pack that size coming up u prolly just send the naked bladestorm for max aoe pad

[rain robin]

thank you 💛

[sullen dove]

and also ideally if youre in combat frequently reck should be a roughly 40-45second cd "most of the time" naturally lining up with bladestorm often

issues might arise more often when theres long pauses between pulls/fights and then u cant get as much cdr so itd be more liable to desync there

but idk i think just vibe it out if single target you prolly hold the bladestorm for like half of reck's cd and in aoe if you gotta pad you gotta pad ya feel

[rain robin]

so real bestie

[chrome wraith]

how'd they manage to make fury go from the smoothest it's ever been to this garbage

all we needed to do was tune bloodthirst to the point of it being worth pressing alongside RB

[rare garnet]

this sword goes so hard

[dense elbow]

looks kinda fishy to me

[sudden tusk]

Fishy moooog

[severe bough]

Should we use our adventurers crest on the adventurer gear or hold onto them?

[wild mural]

@frigid zealot sword

[frigid zealot]

[cedar shuttle]

we craft 1h or 2h weapon?

[waxen vigil]

Amen

[lethal quiver]

I feel rend is so annoying to use

[next canopy]

^ rend is horrible. Isn’t it arms talent? @lethal quiver

[slim coral]

2

[orchid iron]

I dont think you ever really have to hard cast it do you? or is that a slayer thing?

[lethal quiver]

its a slayer thing

[orchid iron]

yea thats gross then

[rare garnet]

I’m just accepting being a casual and being a founding member of the No Rend club. The loss is worth the mental joy.

[restive edge]

Dumb question ik, whats the best race for fury warrior

[honest trail]

Void Elf, Mechagnome for dmg, like raid

Probably

[restive edge]

Is there a sim out there that shows how bad some are?

[honest trail]

Human, Nelf, Dwarf great too

[olive wraith]

I’ll add it’s not worth race changing for a sub 1% dps increase imo

[honest trail]

https://maxroll.gg/wow/class-guides/fury-warrior-raid-guide#races-header

[restive edge]

YEAH BUT WHAT ABOUT TROLL NOW THAT WE HAVE AN AMANI VERSION

[honest trail]

& Haranir should be around

Zandalari + Pa'ku like

With 1% crit dmg

I think Pandaren is 1st cause of the food buff now?

[brittle crow]

mechagnome players mog like that and demand the same space at the table as the rest of us

we need to do something about em

[nimble ibex]

Is slayer or thane the go to for mplus currently?

[slim coral]

I would say thane currently

[spare steppe]

That graph is terribly displayed

[median umbra]

slayer aoe is fun af tho

[spare steppe]

2% difference but looks like it’s 20%

[empty mirage]

is anyone elses details spamming lua errors

[echo rapids]

The apex giving reck a longer duration and cost reduction of rampage makes it almost feel like a real cooldown now

[fervent sparrow]

something sure is i just logged in to addon errors locking me out of the game

had to alt f4

[honest trail]

Blame Maxroll

[empty mirage]

im about to just delete all addons they never work lmao

[rare garnet]

Then again mechagnome has a free defensive and good mogs.

[olive wraith]

So do a handful of other races

[fervent sparrow]

dwarf has a defensive and looks the best in plate

[elder spindle]

Just wanna make sure I have this right - there is no standard blanket defensive in the M+ build? I'm not to up to date on the fury changes.

[rare garnet]

Defensive stance

[rare garnet]

Nah. Mechagnome aura farms the shit outta dorf

[orchid iron]

I made two builds, the reccomended one, and the one I need most of the time where I take all the defensives and healing lmfao i suck

[winter shoal]

We have a lot of passive tankiness, and talent gates mean that ER is really the only sensible option to drop to take imp WW #fury message

You also have def stance and warpaint available at all times, and SR almost always

[willow cradle]

Eww gnomes

[winter shoal]

You can also take stance mastery which is absolutely bananas with def stance, I'm not sure how much of a dps loss it is vs battlefield commander

Looks like BfC is ~+3% in aoe vs stance mastery

More like 2.5% in single target

[young swan]

have u checked dropping one of barb training or crushing force

[restive fiber]

Is earthen too bad for dps ?

[honest trail]

Idk mate

I only pick race for style

Nelf, Haranir, Trolls

[elder quarry]

does thunderblast do less damage than thunder clap?

Or thunderblast does thunderclap damage + the stormstrike

[dawn jasper]

is fury dps shit or is just me? im constantly doing much lower dps than the rest of the group

[young swan]

its like

fine

you shouldnt be losing to the average pug if you know what you're doing

[random hill]

depends on ur itlvl i guess

[winter shoal]

good shout let me check

[median marsh]

is there a way to move the dps numbers to the side?
its poping right in the middle of the screen and its very annoying

[winter shoal]

idk if you can drop CF because of the pathing to wild strikes

[young swan]

u can take res voice

it just sucks

dropping barb training will prob be better for ST but im dubious about the aoe loss

[winter shoal]

I based these off the Fishy sheet so not sure if they're the absolute latest and greatest but should be close-ish

[young swan]

[winter shoal]

I'm surprised barb is such a big loss for slayer

unless I fucked up the talent codes

I think I did

[olive wraith]

TB does less direct damage. But has a few affects that still make it better to press over clap

(Assuming you were gonna cancel aura)

[cinder shale]

I’ve absolutely trash canned every other dos I’ve grouped with so far haha

[winter shoal]

Fixed, 5t

1t

[young swan]

damn

variance for stance mastery is a good deal

[olive wraith]

“No defensive”

[mortal ivy]

Are you running heroics or the scaled normal dungeons because that matters

[dawn jasper]

normal so far

[mortal ivy]

Lower level you are more damage you do it’s a scaling thing like level 80 in full lax xpac gear tanks don’t matter will do insane damage with how the scaling works

Don’t worry about damage until heroics or MOs

[chrome wraith]

they've been towing this line since alpha

can't wait to see tuning week

[mortal ivy]

Currently I’m max ilv we can get in heroics and doing 60k overall in my runs

#fury message that wasn’t heroic before I went to bed last night

My arms warrior is almost 90 he’s 88 and half so I’ll have his runs up soon

That run showed the boss that has no adds and then overall dps for the run

[deep oxide]

Was that slayer or thane

[mortal ivy]

Slayer I only play slayer arms and slayer fury

And prot thane if I have to 😂

[deep oxide]

Understandable

[mortal ivy]

I have issue with playing any class that roots me in place 😢

I can only play BM and survival hunter due to Aim shot even though I love rapid fire 😂

[limpid tide]

when does thane root u in place

[mortal ivy]

Meant more colossus spec for prot and arms thane is okay I just play arms so much with thunderclap to spread bleeds in past I don’t prefer to chose to play thunderclap if I don’t have to tank

I really like slayer though the procs slayer strikes reaps feels vicious

[limpid tide]

i also enjoy slayer

over thane

[mortal ivy]

Fury is already fast it makes you feel like your attacking even faster with the procs

[echo rapids]

Me playing powerful enrage to slow the gameplay down

[dense elbow]

I am pulled out from enjoying Slayer by how SD animation reaps, it is just too jarring

[fiery edge]

[dense elbow]

I noticed it and my brain is now hyper aware of it

[echo rapids]

It’s smooth on orc

[polar trout]

is slayer really behind thane in aoe ?

[fiery edge]

sad truth

[polar trout]

🙁 i just want to bladestorm everywhere

[fiery edge]

blizz wants us to be mountain king

[limpid tide]

unless your pushing top keys

just play slayer

[fast mural]

slayer isnt far behind and has more ST

there is an argument to play slayer in dungeons

[warped maple]

the talents for fury in the m+ talent builds are still tww no?

import code isnt working

[velvet wraith]

Do we really want to TB->BB->TB before even 1 rampage on opener as thane ? We cap so much rage and don’t spend it like that no ? Generally I’m at 100+ by just pressing reck/avatar/odyns. and with the Apex talent, isn’t it interesting to try to squeeze as many rampage during reck for the buff ?

[limpid tide]

on wowhead mine worked

[warped maple]

in the disc not wowhead

[fast mural]

if your enraged the whole time yes

on aoe at least

[limpid tide]

pretty sure the wowhead 1s are good

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/fury/talent-builds-pve-dps

[velvet wraith]

Ok thanks. It feels a bit weird overcapping like that

[stuck oyster]

Anyone else found, at least playing thane.
That you tend to do more damage, when you're not using the apex talents?
I dunno, playing around spamming rampage particularly in AOE just doesn't feel good.

[fading sky]

U follow prio👌

[dense elbow]

I kinda doubt you would do more dam as no-apex thane, the other options shouldnt be that strong

[valid pulsar]

is one of the darkmoon trinkets good for fury right now ?

[rocky kindle]

I feel kinda silly for asking this but at first glance i don't notice it: Is there are downside to equiping a 1h + 2h weapon right now while lvling or just hit 90 ? Looted a nice 1h at an ilvl i can't come close to with crafting

[winter shoal]

Stats and weapon dps probably but you can sim it

[rocky kindle]

It's ilvl 189 on the 2h vs ilvl 220 on the 1h. I'll just go with the 1h, everything is higher on it but i was concerned my zug zug brain was overlooking a talent or passive somewhere

[dim spindle]

Zug. Mmhm.

[oak peak]

Is the rep trinket worth getting for us?

[unborn delta]

Yea

You will probably use it heroic raid week/at start of m+

[oak peak]

Sounds good!

[next canopy]

How’s the new xpansion?

[young swan]

zones are cool

[next canopy]

How does the fury rotation feel? Did they actually give us rend?

[deep oxide]

best renowns to focus on for gear?

[ebon bobcat]

Thane has Rend. Slayer has Rend*
(Maybe, situationally, if you squint.)

Rotation to me feels confusing. Too much competition for what button to press during Recklessness. TB, BB, Rampage, SD Execute...

[winter shoal]

Feels pretty similar to TWW but RB is kinda down bad rn. Rend is low prio filler and a generic kind of maintenance buff in aoe for slayer, thane applies it automatically

[next canopy]

Yuck - I like when things are smooth

[next canopy]

💪🏽

[sullen dove]

bruh they still havent fixed this fish world quest?

[covert blaze]

it randomly fixed itself for me earlier

[sullen dove]

give me my 2nd fuckin 2hander

ragey

paid to beta test poggers

[covert blaze]

you can group with someone that has the wq available and you get credit when they loot

didnt work for me but worked for other people

[sullen dove]

intriguing

[analog magnet]

so what you want to do and this worked for me

only kill the same type of fish

[stuck oyster]

I mean. I switched mid heroic run.
adjusted my prio manually & started doing more dps.
So I dunno if I'm just screwing up using Apex or not. Will prob test it more later 😂

[analog magnet]

i think it bugs out if you kill multiple different types

[sudden tusk]

noob

[sullen dove]

upgrade the 2nd one tf?

[sudden tusk]

weapon world quest for me in void area

[sullen dove]

just gold

[analog magnet]

<><

[sudden tusk]

it was a random drop cant upgrade the second

[sullen dove]

yea it bugged out for me yesterday when i killed like 15 pufferfish

and i think something to do with them only going to a stack size of 4 for some ungodly reason made it freak out

and yesterday i was 8/15 when i had like.. 13 in my bags

but then on none dropped any again and when i left the wq area and came back the stuff in my bags are gone

owait didnt check all wq

w madox

do have a weapon in voidstorm

fuck these fish

[sudden tusk]

fishmogged

[sullen dove]

(do not the fish)

https://tenor.com/view/le-fishe-au-chocolat-fish-chocolate-gif-276207395680097828

the hell why is this thing so op?

does it get stronger in voidstorm or something

[sudden tusk]

idk you upgrade it

and it pops off everwhere

[sullen dove]

i dont think i done allat

it just says its some crita nd 2% leech

ok yea heres the normal buff

only lasts 10 seconds

but why tf did i get a minute long giga buff lol that surely has to be zone specific

[sudden tusk]

i dont know what any of rthose are

but those iguess

[sullen dove]

yea i mean i dont think i did that

assuming its like the talent tree upgrade thing

by renown area

[young swan]

idk i dont have that shit bound, feels about the same as last xpac

just a slight change of butons

[dry dragon]

Wssdup

[sullen dove]

i may rest on a weary world @sudden tusk

[sudden tusk]

im missing like a random piece but its just gonna be afk log in check world quests level alts for a while

just finished every available delve story/treasures as well

[warm crag]

go grind a better game instead or

[sudden tusk]

https://giphy.com/gifs/valve-graves-deadlock-Iq4jXyoyPOhb4mNVOF

wheres the fucking balance patch

[warm crag]

need you on alpha centauri

[sudden tusk]

what is that

[warm crag]

https://tenor.com/view/bungie-marathon-new-marathon-nu-marathon-bungie-marathon-gif-2701323247976763654

[icy whale]

can one or two players show me their keybinds? :D i just came back and not 100% sure how to organize it

[sudden tusk]

feel like they paid people to make marathon memes

[rare garnet]

nope, t7 delves dropping 227 warbound gear, time to get grinding until you get the rng you need

need to optimize that pre pre week

[next canopy]

Ty bro

[iron portal]

How do you do, fellow young warriors

[brittle crow]

you sound like you use elvui

[cursive hound]

I actually don’t have a ui

Hide everything

First person view only

[rare garnet]

only UI that matters

[high echo]

Kinda sad that it feels straight up worse to play fury than in season 3

RB focus was so much better

[rare garnet]

i really dont understand that but everyone feels their own way

RB, BT, its whatever

one is prio, one is filler, mix with execute

[high echo]

The flow is jankier overall

And rampage audio is bugged, throwing me off

[rare garnet]

i hate the cost reduction

[gusty cloak]

how come wowhead recommends food with secondary stats over primary?

[cursive hound]

Could always try monk

[jolly wind]

That’s every spec lol

But tbf warrior im general got the least fucked

But fury does feel worse, and I also can’t stand the combat animation bug where ur chr stands still lol

Happens so frequently

[elder mulch]

Hello everyone!
For now, is it better to play Slayer or Thane? And why?

[fleet heath]

The cost reduction on ramp feels awful, I feel like I’m stuck doing Tb,ramp spam during avatar with no BB unless I want to overcap rage
Am I doing somthing wrong?

[honest trail]

BB is better than TC/TB at low target counts

[lunar oracle]

is it just me or is fury dogshit atm? doing hcs with lvl 90 people in okish gear and getting butt slammed even by the tanks sometimes

gone from great to shittier after lvevling up and changing gear

[olive wraith]

I dislike rb spam past rage cap

[brittle crow]

is there anything worth giving up in the m+ build to get interpose

[lapis karma]

Nope, feel the same. Typical Blizz making you feel like a hero whilst levelling and then making you feel as weak as p!ss when you get to max level. Stats are off I guess but it does feel pretty bad right now

[lunar oracle]

its so bad, been making me question my ability to play it lol

i know i have everything as it should be and got 217 gear, playing fine... feels crap with low haste but numbers wise pure shit unless its a small pack and its tightly grouped.... if it aint man im under the tanks

[rare garnet]

217, gotta bump those numbers up

[lapis karma]

I felt it as soon as I dinged 90, did a normal dungeon and there were 2 lvl 80ish Mages...doing what felt like 10 x my damage on the 1st boss...I was actually thinking I had not equipped some gear

[rare garnet]

low level scaling

[lapis karma]

yup, feels terrible but I know I'm low on haste too. Just awful experience though (should be used to it I guess but...)

[regal glade]

little confused about rend in the priority for fury, all the builds take it on wowhead, thane obviously procs it with clap etc, but the rotation doesn't list rend being used in the prio. Do we simply take it and not use it?

[rare garnet]

just go into heroics it

feels better

[upper wigeon]

Hows Slayer vs Thane feelin?

[lunar oracle]

both feel gimped to me

[upper wigeon]

Lmao that bad?

[lunar oracle]

compared to how it felt last week ye

i know gear and stats to come with more balancing in 2-3 weeks but atm, all i want to do is go level my lock xD

[upper wigeon]

lmaooo

[lunar oracle]

thing is i'll level that, enjoy demo pumping, then that'll get insta nurfed lol

i dont trust blizz at all

[upper wigeon]

cant be as bad as arms is feelin now

[lapis karma]

I hope not lol

[lunar oracle]

aw man i dont touch arms. not since forever.

[lapis karma]

Arms sends me to sleep, so much less dps there 😄

[upper wigeon]

i love arms so much but its so less dps

[lunar oracle]

i hear the storys of lamentation... stay far away

[rare garnet]

tbh ive spent 99% of my time in prot spec becaue holding W to the end of a delve and getting gear is pretty cozy and my mates all play dps so filling tank for them is good. but the few runs i did as slayer felt pretty okay

[upper wigeon]

i need to try slayer

[elder mulch]

atm thane is better ?

[brittle crow]

oh shit is dmf up now

[icy whale]

this is my first take on fury keybinds, anything you consider very strange here?

i have my interrupts on my mouse (page up/down)

i see many players use thunder clap, but i haven't looked much into talents yet, wanted to try things out during quests now

(i'm left handed, so my right hand is on wasd)

[pearl sequoia]

[icy whale]

[pearl sequoia]

its keybinds so its all personal i guess

if R is easy to press then i think its pretty chill, otherwise it put ww on a easier button

[icy whale]

my little finger is resting near R/F

[lunar oracle]

so your interupts across the other side of the keyboard to where your hand is?

[icy whale]

my interrupts are on my thumb

its the right side mouse buttons

i have 2 on each side of the mouse

[lunar oracle]

ah dumb i didnt read properly all good xD

[icy whale]

i started playing again since bfa yesterday and first combat i wanted to press the interrupt button on my mouse and charge with f xD

this is what years of m+ does to your brain

[lunar oracle]

just tryna put my hands how you play , feels all kinda out of wack 😄

[icy whale]

(my ex made me quit, but now im free)

[lunar oracle]

whatever works for you tho all personal i guess

[rare garnet]

huh, that never occurred to me, i always assumed lefties would have some like, left sided keyboard and would rest on OKL; and im not exactly sure why i thought this

[icy whale]

the left side of my keyboard is laying almost under the middle of my screen, and then it just goes far to the right

i know lots of left handed people that just adapted to right handed gameplay

but my brain is wired too far into left handedness

but am i getting that right?
bloodthirst rampage rb execute are the core
charge and odyns fury are the starter
recklessness is very cool
whirlwind etc whenever needed

impending victory feels like something i'd combine with enraged generation

[sullen dove]

rb is bad

IV has nothing to do with enraged regen its just a heal you use when you need

enrage is a strongerish heal/defensive cooldown

but not like u have to/are supposed to use both at the same time

[icy whale]

yeaah, but same use for both skills, healing

[sullen dove]

ya pmuch, ER makes you take less damage too so its both healing/defensive

[icy whale]

so what is the core rotation if rb is bad now?

[sullen dove]

mostly bt/bb + rampage + execute if slayer/thunderclap-blast if thane

ww if need to aoe as slayer

you still hit rb if you have no other abilities to hit but its just like bottom priority

and odyns yea you wanna use during cooldowns ideally

like recklessness/avatar if you have it then odyns so it gets buffed to do more dam

not like instantly charge odyns

you can like charge > cooldowns > odyns probably if you want

[icy whale]

yeah that makes sense

also generates more rage that way

[sullen dove]

yea

[icy whale]

what exactly is bb?

[elfin lodge]

bloodbath

[icy whale]

ohh yeah right, the empowered bt

[sudden tusk]

wq gear op

basically same ilvl as heroic with no effort

pog

[rare garnet]

wq and 7 delvs are crazy gear

[sudden tusk]

i will not be walkin in a delve again til launch

unless i have a sickness and level ANOTHER character

[rare garnet]

felt so much easier getting gear from

esp as prot, hold W till boss

[sudden tusk]

@smorbsmish do i hit up character 3

should i just die instead

whats the feel

[smoky vale]

die

explode

combust

incinerate

evaporate

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/hank-explode-gif-5592816

[smoky vale]

xeos to me

[rare garnet]

so whats up with the new gems being almost no stats increase compared to the TWW gems?

10/3 vs 12/5 is nothing lol

[junior oyster]

the stats currently on our gear is also nothing

[nocturne bluff]

I really just don't understand how not slotting blade storm can just negate 5 hero talents... Just seems like ludicrous design

[young swan]

its the same ratio

[brittle crow]

what should i set my drum of renewed bonds to

haste or mastery

[olive wraith]

Considering that’s one of slayers focuses it makes sense

[nocturne bluff]

and yet the best performing slayer spec uses Avatar, doesn't it?

Unless the wowhead/icyveins "BiS" breakdown is just wrong

[olive wraith]

That’s not the case at lv 90

[nocturne bluff]

word

[young swan]

all builds at level 90 take BS for slayer

[echo rapids]

Yeah the avatar thing was a strange pre patch thing

[weak tartan]

midnight timer says it will launc on march 3rd
is this launch time global for eu and na?

when i click on the timer it says it launch on march 2nd tho, im a bit confused

[junior oyster]

In 21 hours, Midnight will launch. Where you are on the planet determines what date it is when that happens.

[weak tartan]

got it, thanks

[sullen dove]

goat

[sweet pier]

yoo

so ive always played warrior as an alt in every expansion. But since prepatch, this spec feels cheeks to play. I dont mean damage. damage could be thru the roof, and it doesnt change anything. Does anyone else feel like playstyle is kinda screwed over by blizzard? id like some validation or opinions against how i feel

whirlwind doesnt even give rage and sometimes i have to press it

[young swan]

ww only doesnt give rage if you dont ahve imp ww talented

otherwise idk

it feels the exact same to me

its just slower cause we have no stats

[sweet pier]

id say the same opinion for arms but theres no general warrior channel

[sweet pier]

i guess im just tired of the same old fury

[young swan]

understandable

[sweet pier]

ya as far as i know, you dont take this talent in ST right? so its just weirdge

[young swan]

ive been bored of it for a while now, but im at least happy to be pressing execute and BT consistently again

[young swan]

yeah but there is exactly 0 cases in the next 6 months where this will be the case

[sweet pier]

at least execute feels nice

[young swan]

like there isnt a patchwerk fight at all for this patch cycle

[sweet pier]

thats fair, good point

[muted storm]

when do we replace Reshii wraps? does pretty good dmg at 90 still, around 20-22k crits

[pearl sequoia]

doesnt rlly matter right, think most people are just rockin the 230 cape

[young swan]

it'll get nerfed/deactivated by the time relevant content rolls around

keep using it, dont, it dont matta

[sullen dove]

sim should presumably accurately say when ilvl is better

but like ur not wearin the boots anymore so -50% proc chance

just cuz it happens to do a non terrible amount of dmg if it procs every 5 years kinda doesnt mean much

13% dps gain to put on all consumeables/enchants WORTH???

500k gold minimum ez

isnt it crazy how we were simming like 35k in late prepatch

and now 10 levels higher and 50 item levels higher

we sim the same or less

👍

stat squishes and scaling very good

[rare garnet]

its actually kinda funny seeing my damage not go up

[winter shoal]

They didn't squish enough man

We're gonna be back at TWW numbers in 1.5 expansions

[sullen dove]

yea

i honestly thought this was like a massive squish

[rare garnet]

i mean, thats their goal, every 2 expansion a squish

[winter shoal]

Too much ilvl increase between raid tiers

[sullen dove]

but we're still doing hundreds of thousands of dps

literally shadowlands 2k dps was good in castle nathria

squish from legion > bfa, squish again into shadowlands, then squish tww > midnight

its not exactly consistent how often they do it

but SL felt like the most "from the ground up" since we got taken to actually so low

[brittle crow]

can u get the champ pieces from the vendors yet

[sullen dove]

no u can get champ trinket in voidstorm cuz its a quest tho

anyone know how much marl the champ items cost tho

[brittle crow]

whats stopping u from getting them?

[sullen dove]

i have like 6-7k but i dont wanna be told i have to farm more

vendors just dont have them dont think

not rly sure why i dont think it'd matter since we just buy on reset anyway

but ig they dont exist

cuz reasons

[brittle crow]

good cuz im not 90 yet

if i cant have em no one can

[nocturne bluff]

level 90 optimal slayer ST bladestorm build.. That cannot be the ceiling, can it??

i have the rotation down to the best of my comprehension

[sullen dove]

i got like 34k with no bladestorm

idk if bs is better than av at this point on st or not tbh

[nocturne bluff]

Maybe its a gear issue

yeah i'll try with Avatar

[brittle crow]

is the portal in fairbreeze the only way to harandar?

[winter shoal]

Sim it bro wyd

[sullen dove]

man u think i got the desire to make 2 diff talent builds

even if it is like 2 button clicks on raidbots

[winter shoal]

IIRC ava is still very slightly ahead in pure ST (like 0.4% or something) but pure ST is kind of fake

That might be affected by gear though

[sullen dove]

non am bs just feels so bad

i dont think i care about losing avatar

but like not hitting a button for 90 seconds and that being better than 2 avatars during that time is what feels wrong to me

but i mean i guess half of slayer is just dysfunctional without bladestorm

[winter shoal]

I'm also not sure if the optimal "hold BS for reck" time has been calculated but that could swing things

[sullen dove]

so part of the power is making use of those powers

[nocturne bluff]

I do think i need more haste

for sure

i was chasing ILvl for loot purposes

led to some deadzones

in my rotation

[winter shoal]

You can sim it but ilvl is probably more important than secondaries

Not that gear really matters at this point anyways unless you're trying to minmax your world quests and normal dungeons

[keen kindle]

We're just gonna have to live with the deadzones for now until proper season launch

remeber: Evreything we have is currently getting replaced in a few weeks anyways

[winter shoal]

swordish I lied to you please forgive

[sudden tusk]

blow up skadoosh style

[sullen dove]

perish

[winter shoal]

madox why is fishy sim 3k lower today than it was last week

I need answers

[sudden tusk]

seems fishy...

[sullen dove]

i never seen a fishy on me

[sudden tusk]

wrong one

[willow cradle]

What the

[hollow leaf]

have any sim testing been done on if slayer beats thane on occasional adds vs sustained aoe?

[warm dove]

https://giphy.com/gifs/monday-mondays-tomorrow-EQIkgfMCjs1kk

[cobalt kernel]

unless im wrong its historically been slayer for burst adds thane for sustained aoe, tww s3 was a different story because of tier

[hollow leaf]

you'd be correct

[fiery edge]

@winter shoal dood, mastery stance on slayer in aoe is aaaah?

[winter shoal]

Depends on what you consider meaningful, it's a dps loss but <1%

[sudden tusk]

nevo whats your favorite sugary american breakfast cereal

[fiery edge]

i just want dmg

[winter shoal]

if anyone says anything other than cinnamon toast crunch they should be put down (ingame)

[sudden tusk]

pog

[brittle crow]

based

[charred panther]

Im sure this is a repeat question, but are M0s out tomorrow after reset/mainntence in the morning?

Or do they not release until march 3 reset?

[brittle crow]

theres no reset in the morning

reset is on the 3rd

[ancient quiver]

if ur using alnseer prob why

[charred panther]

maintennence

/launch of the game

Question is, are m0s available at the launch of the full game tomorrow or not until the reset on tuesday

[brittle crow]

reset

[charred panther]

got it

the google AI search tricked me initially, lol

[modest condor]

ai results

you deserve what you get if you listen to that

[sudden tusk]

turning the ai off was the bst thing i coulda done

[charred panther]

Didn’t get anything but bad info, thankfully it’s just a video game misdirect, twas worth checking.

[charred panther]

I need to, 🫠🫡

[green pagoda]

I have a tiny question I wanna run slayer bc my party comp has a lot of aoe. Do I run blade storm or ignore it for avatar

[rare garnet]

Robit never wrong

[sullen dove]

w

this like an on the whole best answer

tho krave does go absolutely insane

i think like 1 bowl to 1 bowl krave owns

but u kinda cant have more than 1 bowl of that

cinny crunch is bingeable

[sudden tusk]

might fuck around slam an off brand cinnimon toast cruch bag

[sullen dove]

off brand gg

bros gettin wegman cinnamon toasted squares

[remote bobcat]

Boys im submitting my thesis today

Chapter complete right as midnight starts

[sudden tusk]

does it have an associated power point

[smoky vale]

grats kronzo

[dapper goblet]

raisin bran

[sullen dove]

craziest unc status self report

not bad but the raisins are just like hard as rocks i feel like

[smoky vale]

lil gup you fw frosted flakes

[sullen dove]

they not bad

[dapper goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/anyway-david-spade-dennis-finch-just-shoot-me-so-gif-16383851

[smoky vale]

xeos how old are we again

35?

[remote bobcat]

I mean i will have to prepare one for the defense i guess ?

[remote bobcat]

Thamks Giofiveseven

[remote bobcat]

I LOVE HOW GOOD MY PLOTS LOOK AAAA IM SO HAPPY

[dapper goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/what-huh-wat-wut-gif-16165693567743102551

[sudden tusk]

hell yeah

[remote bobcat]

[slow wolf]

I find them too close I would put some space

[remote bobcat]

big nono

[slow wolf]

I guess you have a reason to put them that close 😁

[undone flower]

you don't space detected beans

[remote bobcat]

same Y axis but different X axis, they need to be connected without being connected

But ye theres more to it

[slow wolf]

What's your subject?

[remote bobcat]

Flux–Dependent Variability in Gamma-Ray Bright AGN

in normal english:
the energy levels of the light coming from the black holes in centers of galaxies are different over time and im analyzing that

✨ astrophysics ✨

[slow wolf]

Yeah I got that you are an astroboy 😎

[modest condor]

hell yeah astronomy

[remote bobcat]

Stop right there

[young swan]

hell yeah astrology

[slow wolf]

Rage baited

[remote bobcat]

fr

[slow wolf]

Btw what do you extract from the variation of the energy levels? Size of the black hole? Future behaviour?

[remote bobcat]

The idea is to find out how the flux of these black holes behave and the current result is: Theres not enough data yet to confidently say that this is how it works but there's a strong indication that its best described by an activation curve. Slow start at low flux levels, then a multiplicative process where more and more energy gets sent out, and then once the entire surface area is "lit up", variability drops again. In contrast, the previous assumption was that it's a linear process. More energy -> more variability due to the increase in energy but that aint it

Imagine a field of mouse traps, all deactivated. The multiplicative process starts by you throwing a basketball activating the first mouse trap, which in turn activates multiple mouse traps, which in turn activate even more mouse traps, until the entire field has been activated

That's kinda what I've been observing and analyzing

[flat river]

stop yapping

[remote bobcat]

Good morning gala

🥰

[flat river]

morning <3

[bold carbon]

so theres never a reason to click whirlwind as thane right

[slow wolf]

Dw I have a PhD in theoretical physics so I understand the language of physics

🧌

[remote bobcat]

p much, except as a filler

[remote bobcat]

[bold carbon]

do we actually end up without anything nad using it?

or is that just hypothetical

[remote bobcat]

can happen at times but its incredibly rare

[bold carbon]

is there a macro that can be on the same key and will use whirlwind if clap is on cd?

to save a button

[remote bobcat]

dont think so

[dense elbow]

Just dont bind ww at all, should be fine, no?

[tardy matrix]

Are the wowhead builds accurate? I noticed we're taking bladestorm in single target now lol

[dense elbow]

Cause the diff is a wash

They are basically equally as bad

[tardy matrix]

Oh really?

the more you know i guess

[dense elbow]

Just remember value got a bump when we could take the final 3 talents

Tho, when I do keys, I do equal dps with ava or BS

All the dam lies in reap either way

70k on the pull with ava, 70k with BS

Based on feelcrafty negative fueled bias, storm is simply just shit and only when it reaps does it move the needle

It for sure doesnt overwhelm

[open mountain]

What's a better resource when the guides are bad? Look at the apl in raidbots?

[dense elbow]

Guides should be updated and be solid at current time. Why would you call em bad?

Apl is an aight place to look, tho that is just the same as on wowhead presents it (made from the same guys)

[keen kindle]

We have been for 2 years with slayer

[open mountain]

Oh, I thought you said they are bad

[dense elbow]

Me? Or you as in skyhold?

Doubt Skyhold would call Wowhead bad, as 90% in here are optimisation chills. Not a fun enjoyer in sight

The maintainers do a great job keeping the guides up to date and relevant for the mass playerbase

Any niche situation is individually discussed normally

(oh, and I dont call the guides bad, I call Bladestorm bad, or rather... Too weak)

[keen kindle]

If we had any fun enjoyers we'd have arms players

[dense elbow]

Remove arms

[young swan]

well thats not true

[dense elbow]

[young swan]

cause arms both sucks AND isnt fun

[keen kindle]

But I find arms fun

[young swan]

with the current rage gen?

[keen kindle]

[thorny sorrel]

um guys i have a question.... does this diff matter (dmg)

[keen kindle]

....

[dense elbow]

Xan aint wrong tho, from an objective point of view

[keen kindle]

Alright you got me

[young swan]

it doesnt matter

[thorny sorrel]

[dense elbow]

You know what matters tho?

You, Kare

[thorny sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-the-office-sad-steve-carrel-gif-13099504922146745305

[dense elbow]

17th, giga BS buff and reap nerf

Trust in hope

[undone flower]

arms nerfs.

[young swan]

i dont even know what i want them to change

i dont think i care

[oblique pond]

Does it feel like thane is more consistent in dungeons? Because sometimes as slayer you do a big pull and get very little reap procs

[young swan]

they are honestly about the same on average

[dense elbow]

Yep, low roll SD and reap and you are very sad

Tho Thane got highrolls as well

[young swan]

depending on pull size and cadence one could pull ahead of the other

but the 2 heroes are about as close as they've ever been to each other

[dense elbow]

If only we could reduce that RNG to be minimal like move dam profile from the RNG of reap, to the static nature of BS...

Somehow

If only we had the technology

[undone flower]

It would hurt the dmg profile

[dense elbow]

Would fix it, you mean

Flat is boring

[young swan]

honestly rather they just buff OF a bit if we want burst

[dense elbow]

Nah, some ppl want flat

[undone flower]

I mean reap is the uncap sustain dmg of slayer

[young swan]

we arent very flat atm, apex puts a lot of pressure on our cd windows

[dense elbow]

I know, happy

[blissful hearth]

are there any other specs in the same boat that have to lose damage to take their major defensive CD in their talent tree?

seems boneheaded

[dense elbow]

I know what I am saying

[young swan]

not that i know of

[dense elbow]

You lads need to read what I write i know sustained goes down

That is my goal

[young swan]

sure but like

we're already bursty

[dense elbow]

I want bursty storm

[undone flower]

another thane season then

[young swan]

we just arent the burstiest

still have heavy focus on CD window

[dense elbow]

I press BS, my dps doesnt move at all, so doubt

[young swan]

idk i cracked 150k on a BS press while i was leveling

mightve been 140k

[dense elbow]

Very wow, I cranked that with avatar OF and SD procs

[young swan]

was level 88

feel like thats kinda epic

[dense elbow]

I wish i didnt see ppl do 200-300k Windows on the regular

Then i could maybe feel better about doing the same low dps consistent

[young swan]

considering 150k-200k overall was normal for beta keys with fully zooted characters

150k burst on a character down literally 100 ilvl seems pretty okay

[dense elbow]

Yep, scaling work like that

Ya not seen the 81 Rogue doing 550k?

[young swan]

idk why ur comparing cross class rn

its just stupid

[dense elbow]

Xan

Read

[oblique pond]

You guys doing 150k bursts??

[dense elbow]

At 90? Yeah

On AoE

[oblique pond]

Must be doing something wrong on my ilvl 224 warr

[dense elbow]

Pull sizes do that, guess you go too small

[young swan]

read what lmfao

im comparing myself to myself

whats there to read

[oblique pond]

Think i got a high roll slayer pull once and did 110k

[dense elbow]

Right above, if you read that and think i would seriously compare myself to that clown show, ya must be daft

I care about my profile

And it is flat

[young swan]

fury sure as shit isnt doing that

so ur definitely talking about other specs OR beta keys

which again

+100 ilvl

yep

definitely relevant to right now

[dense elbow]

I just dont agree to the experience of us having good burst

[young swan]

i said we are bursty

not that its good

[dense elbow]

If it aint bursty, it is Flat. A theoretical spike is pointless to discuss

[young swan]

??

[sullen dove]

except it is bursty

[young swan]

okay ur actually just wallowing in your own self pity

[sullen dove]

why do u type so esoterically tryina sound like a prophet but its just like yap

guys my number isnt the highest in day -3 heroic dungeons

[dense elbow]

Prophet?

[young swan]

speaking complete nonsense

[sullen dove]

i cant play the game

[dense elbow]

What you on about

Our dps is good enough

[sullen dove]

its plenty adequate

havent gotten beaten yet

[dense elbow]

Flat is also great for m+

[young swan]

"guys my profile is bursty but i dont do as much damage as the other specs so my profile is flat"

yep

good one

[sullen dove]

and flat is not great for m+ lol

[young swan]

going to bed now

[sullen dove]

almost ever

fortunately we are not flat

thane a little more than slayer but again our cds actually do something this time

unlike the last... 3 seasons?

[dense elbow]

Not what I meant tho, I wrote I dont notice pressing BS.

Either way nn Xan

[dense elbow]

I dont see a 15-20s window as bursty, burst is less than 10 closer to 1 as possible, the better

I dont say our CDs are weak, just that the press is weak

Rather, I feel it is.

[sullen dove]

yea i mean idk if any class in the game commonly bursts like that and if they do its not on a 90s to 2min cd timer

ur describing like flameshaper evoker in tww

tip fire breath double engulf pop like 40mil dps in 3 globals

but thats like.. so rare

[dense elbow]

Or TWW Fury s1

[sullen dove]

yea kinda

[dense elbow]

It is rare, but what I want, big dam

[sullen dove]

only relevant on raids tho

the burst didnt matter in m+

cuz then you did literally 0 dps the entire time until avatar came back up

[dense elbow]

Sure, but i have more fun playing it

[sullen dove]

nice

we have basically the exact same thing then as now except just no titans torment double odyns

RA is way better now than it was before

bs unhinged slams 3-4 bb's on main target for huge st dmg

[dense elbow]

And higher sustained by far

[sullen dove]

probably compared to then

[dense elbow]

Higher flat, means peaks are lower

I want reap down, flat down, and BS up

Explosive effective DPS

[sullen dove]

yea i mean none of thats gonna happen realistically, i wish they didnt remove BS off am

that felt a bit more annoying

it being strictly 90 seconds is kinda ahh, aside from maybe some slayer strike cdr but i think that got omega killed too

[dense elbow]

If they remove more CDR, dam must go way waaay up

Would be nice tho, i dont mind it being static 1.5, if it brings the dam to make up for casts being delayed

If it is balanced for sim DPS scenario

It is dead

[sullen dove]

[dense elbow]

Optimal usage wont happen on CD in keys

On sims it always is

[sullen dove]

what does that mean optimal usage of what

stronger cooldowns is like only a positive in keys most of the time

you use cds > fight for 1 minute > run around 10-20 seconds until next pack > repeat

[dense elbow]

Some pulls come soon after, so you hold, for next.

Sims just send, as max targets are always there

[sullen dove]

you do 60 seconds worth of dmg in that 90 seconds but because it was nearer to your cds you do more overall dmg on details in combat

[dense elbow]

Yep, but the value loss/gained is not represented by sims

[sullen dove]

its not like youre accurately expecting a sim to represent m+

you never do

cuz it never does

[dense elbow]

I am literally saying it doesnt

So yeah we agree

[sullen dove]

ya idk why its being talked about but ye

[dense elbow]

I mentioned it as I do not want it balanced around sims, but actual effect

Kinda why we on it

Either way, time to work, laters

[sullen dove]

yea i mean balanced around sims sounds like a made up term like whether the spec has 90% of its damage in a 20 second burst window and nothing outside of it or is flatter, it'll do the same dps on sims, just like game knowledge of the class at that point to know where/what the distribution of damage is

hef fun

[undone flower]

i think it is a big marketing L the result of saying how they do tuning since 3 expansions

[sullen dove]

but like option A they make it more bursty just like you want i guess or option B they leave it the same in its already pretty good state, the sim dps number stays the same

just uh make odyns give 4 stacks ww and our burst will go up

dont waste a global pressing ww

why it no exist

[high echo]

do we craft weapon again this season

[sudden tusk]

probably

that or will need some vault luck

[bitter palm]

i wish they gave slayer fan of longswords during reck or something

[sullen dove]

holy

i think itd be cool to experiment with things like that and they dont even have to give a full 4 stacks

like it might be kinda weird and jarring to get used to but since ww has literally always been 4 stacks since the beginning of time how bout u just sprinkle 1 to 2 more stacks in something like that

"ramp gives 1 extra stack of whirlwind" o rsomething

so hitting it doesnt "lose you stacks" but you cant permanently keep it up and still have to hit ww

but u just hit it less

ww > 2-3 ramps/4 other globals > ww again

good cook real

[bitter palm]

i think 4 is good while in reck

and 0 outside of reck

[undone flower]

breaking the rythm might be unfun

[sullen dove]

yea u just hit ramp so much now during cds

can easily back to back 3 ramps

[bitter palm]

its the definition of good feeling cooldowns

[sullen dove]

4 each is just bit excessive

[bitter palm]

maybe but it prolly doesnt matter

[sullen dove]

yea

[undone flower]

you can also have more simple : you have meatcleave during reck duration

[bitter palm]

like avatar is finally a cooldown for thane

[sullen dove]

reck is kinda finally a cooldown

this RA + AM combo is so epic

[bitter palm]

arms avatar is what you dont want out of a cooldown

[sullen dove]

never before seen

no cringe choices

[bitter palm]

ye

[undone flower]

i like RA yes

[sullen dove]

yea u get nothing out of it but 20% dmg

its just thane that gets the 2 tlbasts no

only reason ava kinda cool

[bitter palm]

u turn grey slightly bigger and deal 20% more damage

u also get cdr on tc

[sullen dove]

ig yea

[bitter palm]

unless they removed that at some point in the beta

[sullen dove]

which i mean

separate issue that i hate how bloated your button options are especially during cds as thane

[undone flower]

and the tb extend is fun (for me)

[bitter palm]

oh same

[sullen dove]

said this before but full rage bar 2 thunder blast charges 1 or more with burst of power bb's

you want to hit all of them

[bitter palm]

been my issue with thane ever since it came out

ur entire bar is glowing at the same time

[sullen dove]

i dont think it was this bad to this degree before

like it was pmuch tblast over everything

but you like reaaally badly want to hit ramp and bb now

[undone flower]

i don't remember burst of power proccing that often

[sullen dove]

maybe cb/rb sort of overstpped previously too

when it does proc tho slinging 3 bb's back to back just feels so viscerally right

but then you overcap like 50 rage

[fiery edge]

Feels good to ram often

[sullen dove]

and gg berserk stacks

[bold carbon]

is thane better in high key scenarios or just all around better in m+

[sullen dove]

its overall more aoe so for that reason alone probably just better in most if not all key levels with just a bit less st than slayer maybe

but ey still no m+ for like 2-3 weeks

stuff may tune

[bitter palm]

burst of power is so goated

[sullen dove]

and even after that like "key pushing" tuning isnt rly relevant till like 2 months from now

[bitter palm]

esp in exe phase

[sullen dove]

if thats what ur goin for in the "high key" scenario tuning may not be fully finalized till even like the .5 patches if they go crazy randomly

like dropping an augmentation evoker in the middle of your m+ season for example

[bitter palm]

ye

no one pushes keys until late into the patch anyway

[undone flower]

they maintain 4 diff class for that

[sudden tusk]

gonna take even longer to max out gear not even including if they add another fucking turbo boost