fury

[modest condor]

i feel like this does absolutely nothing for early in the season so most of that wall of text is fake

[brittle crow]

my raid leader is gonna have to suck it up

[dusky moon]

We tell our people not to catalyze until they can confirm four piece

[cursive pivot]

i like MT for M+

[dusky moon]

I disagree, you know how many weeks I sat on a mythic armor piece for my vault that I couldn't catalyze because I didn't have enough charges?

[modest condor]

you're still just gonna wait until you can finish 4piece before using them

[modest condor]

2?

[dusky moon]

It gives you a lot more freedom after a week 3 to catalyze smaller upgrades rather than holding out for a hero armor piece and then being picky about myth pieces

[dusky moon]

3 hilariously, I took myth non set armor pieces every other week for 6 weeks lmao

And I had to wait the next week to use a charge

[modest condor]

[cursive pivot]

i love that! i totally agree with what their doing. i too have waited, and def had to hold on to cata chages. this is big

[dusky moon]

It also means you can use LFR pieces if you have to, just get that four piece and then catalyze a heroic item from mythic Plus

[cursive pivot]

yeah

its way better than not doing this.

[brittle crow]

so i need to kill mythic bosses early for vault?

feels difficult

i wonder if i can cheat on my guild somewhere to get it done reliably early

[summer quail]

first few bosses are usually very easy

[brittle crow]

you underestimate my guild that didnt kill salhadaar after turbo boost

[summer quail]

hmhh

[plush zephyr]

You can raid outside of your guild. I promise.

[calm mantle]

Hello fellow warriors, what's the current go to for fury slayer or thane right now? What's the difference in damage between them?

[vernal jungle]

Does anyone else agree, making us choose between Bladestorm and Avatar has to be one of the stupidest decisions forced on us, by idiotic devs ever. Clearly in single I'll probably Av, and if balanced right, go BS on multi. Cool so constant respec on boss or what content I'm doing, super logical. Now 2 of the biggest concrete major warrior abilities throughout the years, and all of a sudden we won't have both of. Sure but then you waste our button space trying to make us hit fucking slam, while removing actually good buttons that felt satisfying, like our two biggest abilities BS and Av. So now we will never have both? Because they want us to hit stupid ass shit buttons. I couldn't be more irritated at a developer, that lost the plot, more on a class. Inthe histroy of mmo gameplay, WTF was that decision to put two of our best abilities on a binary choice node. Very slow minded.

[hushed ocean]

wait a minute

why is he talking about slam?

https://tenor.com/view/cat-panic-anxiety-scared-cats-gif-27482371

[slim pollen]

That's what happens when warriors try to think instead of zug zug 👀

[warm crag]

are you implying you didnt change talents based on the boss you were fighting already

[radiant plank]

he is one of those guys who has 1 talent page per spec

Not like fury loses anything with that setup

[sly eagle]

Is it worth taking Avatar in single target even though all our hero talents support bladestorm?

[flat river]

I read that wrong o-o

[warm crag]

with current tuning yes but i assume they will do some balance passes before raid release to fit their "vision" more

[sly eagle]

What a mess of a talent tree

[warm crag]

its not the talent trees fault its just a numbers issue

[reef jetty]

Hello all, please i would love some advise !
I'm playing fury thane with a classic meta build but i jsut saw that since the 12.0.1 i lack more haste and ST damage in my mythic+ keys. Any help ? pls 🙂
My build :

I saw that this slayer build could work but can't match my thane build in therm of dps on MT :

[tight roost]

Slayer will give you more ST dmg at a MT loss. In any case i doubt people are spending much brainpower optimizing builds during the last week of pre-patch so i'd suggest live with it until midnight

[brittle crow]

yea but like where do i find mythic groups outside the guild

am i supposed to pug it lol

[heavy dock]

find a new better guild

[brittle crow]

nuh uh

[junior oyster]

Some psychos pug all of mythic

though its a game of patience and extreme attrition lol

[dense elbow]

PuGing do allow you to meet and make new contacts. Who knows, might even become a ticket for friendships

If you do PuG mythic, often groups will reform around the same leader the next week. So you do progress week to week

(Also remember a lot of ppl who PuG are at a higher skill level than most. They already cleared it with their guild, and now just play on alts on offdays)

Tldr: PuG away, it aint as bad as you would think and you will broaden your network

[brittle crow]

im of the impression you won't get into a pug group unless you've already killed the boss

[dense elbow]

Dont expect to get PuG invites when you are behind the curve of the content they are doing

You will be surprised. I gotten multiple CE clears with PuG teams over the years

While dated, as I havent raided in years now, these contacts allowed me easy access to do what content I wanted to do. Be it HoF to AotC

It is a lemon that is worth the squeeze

You can never have enough people who know of or you, as it opens a lot of doors

[plush zephyr]

Everything funky said

Funky, proud of you bringing back Odyns Fury

[polar root]

or you can just play prot a little and be royalty until you catch up to the curve and then you can play fury in peace.

[plush zephyr]

I mean. If you’re really wanting to mythic raid and grow, the formula is generally joining better guilds over time until you find a group that’s to your skill level.

[brittle crow]

i mean yea

my guild is slower on mythic typically

so i won't be pugging it either

[plush zephyr]

There’s a video that still resonates with me, unfortunately. But pushing content is what you’re truly wanting - “why it’s rude to suck at Warcraft”

[rare garnet]

Just play and enjoy the game. Gear comes. Crests come. Balance changes. Kill some bosses and live in the moment. Chasing BiS or meta is mental illness.

[plush zephyr]

Finding people of your skill level over friendship will end up happening basically, you might find friends along the way though.

[polar root]

true

[plush zephyr]

That latter part is unfair.

Just because you don’t chase 100 parses or top io doesn’t mean it’s an illness. A lot of people, that’s their enjoyment.

[novel oasis]

I just got into a c/e group but they want me to play fury and it’s always been an ult

I’m nervous

[rare garnet]

A lot of people enjoy a lot of things. Doesn’t mean their joy isn’t an illness. I said what I said.

[plush zephyr]

That’s rude. But ok.

[polar root]

I think what he means is that balance is very fragile especially in this game... one day you are top tier the next you're back to the swamp, just play it for the fun of it

[novel oasis]

Only really matters if your racing for wf

[rare garnet]

I have Guildies crashing out in a 1 night 6/8M guild because they feel obligated to hold crests for 4 weeks and never upgrade because a Reddit guide says that’s optimal.

[brittle crow]

i do parse tbf

just naturally tho

cuz im goated

[rare garnet]

Can’t train talent

[polar root]

that's just acoustic

[brittle crow]

mostly i see my guild getting better each tier and weeding out the shitters

so i have faith in the goobers

maybe i value good company after all..

[rare garnet]

today a warrior realized they’re a really good friend, and a thicc parser

[polar root]

based

[compact knot]

It can be a illness for some

[unborn delta]

Does anyone else agree, making us choose between Bladestorm and Avatar has to be one of the stupidest decisions forced on us, by idiotic devs ever. Clearly in single I'll probably Av, and if balanced right, go BS on multi. Cool so constant respec on boss or what content I'm doing, super logical. Now 2 of the biggest concrete major warrior abilities throughout the years, and all of a sudden we won't have both of. Sure but then you waste our button space trying to make us hit fucking slam, while removing actually good buttons that felt satisfying, like our two biggest abilities BS and Av. So now we will never have both? Because they want us to hit stupid ass shit buttons. I couldn't be more irritated at a developer, that lost the plot, more on a class. Inthe histroy of mmo gameplay, WTF was that decision to put two of our best abilities on a binary choice node. Very slow minded.

[compact knot]

Is that a copy pasta

[junior oyster]

gottabe

[smoky nacelle]

yes

[novel oasis]

Had me scratching my head as well

[unborn delta]

someone else posted it further up so i copy pasted it

[novel oasis]

Like bs should be so strong in multi target you have no option to take it. The fact that you don’t take bladestorm when a bunch of your hero talents rely on it is a feels bad choice

You guys must have the rogue developer

[summer quail]

You take bladestorm in actual midnight. Relax

[unborn delta]

it still feels limp on the beta

like if our character got arthritis during the prepatch and cant spin as hard like they used to

[smoky nacelle]

we'll see at least 3-4 more adjustments by the end of season 1 in Midnight...
this is the way

[compact knot]

Well they gutted s1 tww fury

Before mythic raids

[plush zephyr]

I thought rogue is happy rn?

[compact knot]

Specs are bad to play

Assass looks awful

But its damage is good

[plush zephyr]

Asa idk about, I thought sub/outlaw was eating good going into midnight

At least from what I’ve heard from my rogue guildies

I have a sub alt in the waiting

[compact knot]

Imagine spamming ww on aoe and instead of generating rage it consumes it and it's the only button you push on big aoe pulls

So you sit there waiting for autos to generate enough rage for you to use ww

[coarse nest]

[brittle crow]

merciless bonegrinder:

[novel oasis]

Sin is energy starved , outlaw feels smoother but it’s like
Fury no burst and its damage is lackluster for being a pure dps spec and I don’t play sub but I heard it’s boring

I got into a mythic group but they don’t want me rogue they want my fury and I need to know the inside scoop guys

Upload your info into me like
Neo in the matrix

[junior oyster]

scroll up a while; edification awaits

its the same 3 or 4 conversations ona loop forever anyway, so you'll catch up quick

[novel oasis]

🫦

[haughty epoch]

Press buttons = top dmg

[novel oasis]

True enough

[haughty epoch]

Also if you decide to play thane instead of slayer just dont even play fury xd

[rare garnet]

Huh

[novel oasis]

Well isn’t thane best for m+

And slayer for st?

[haughty epoch]

No

Slayer is better for both

[novel oasis]

Reap the storm

Big dam

[haughty epoch]

Yes

[novel oasis]

And path down the bloodthirst tree

[warm crag]

dunno if the m+ tracking websites are accurate for prepatch but it looks like everyone is playing thane for that

@novel oasis

[haughty epoch]

I've tried both thane is just worse

After nerf

[novel oasis]

Higher keys would
Probably require more single target

[haughty epoch]

Higher ilv warrs that are thane do way less dmg than me

[marble pilot]

I thought Thane was ahead in basically everything right now. But I havnt looked in over a week. Prepatch is whatever.

[haughty epoch]

Reap the storm gaps thunder clap

[novel oasis]

Thunderclap rage generation is nice tho

[haughty epoch]

They buffed blade storm and reap the storm on slayer thane only got ST dmg increase and nerfed aoe a bit

[marble pilot]

Probably depends a lot on key level as well

I can see Slayer being more bursty. So if trash dies quick then it pulls ahead. But if trash lives forever then Thane pulls ahead over time with the more consistent cleave.

[haughty epoch]

I feel like slayer has decently consistent cleave

If you get execute procs

[warm crag]

yea idk from literally everything im seeing the highest keys are being exclusively timed by thane

[haughty epoch]

Slayer more fun

[warm crag]

play whatever you want

[blissful delta]

col arms here i come

[novel oasis]

Both are fun

[warm crag]

nvm finding some slayer stuff aswell but still seems dominated by thane

tldr its prepatch do whatever you want its mickey mouse

come back when s1 releases

[haughty epoch]

Slayer feels better imo

[dense elbow]

OF might be in need of some buffs on ST

https://media.tenor.com/UxY74nL3V4EAAAAM/hehe-cat-cute-hehe.gif

[flat river]

you're asking too much 😤

[dapper snow]

OF is getting a damage buff and rampage focused CDR wit the tier set, which is gonna be huge when you consider the way the apex talents will play

[dense elbow]

And once the tierset is gone, what then?

:hmm:

[olive wraith]

Yes to bs no to reap

[haughty epoch]

Reap is 30% chance to proc now

[olive wraith]

It was 35%

[haughty epoch]

Ik it was 35 before yesterday but before they made it 35 it was 25

Technically still good

Not exactly nerfed

[dense elbow]

Did you just call BS good?

[haughty epoch]

Bs is the best

Talent

A warr has

[olive wraith]

It’s okay

[haughty epoch]

[dense elbow]

wins over BS every time

[haughty epoch]

On thane only

[dense elbow]

oh you sweet sweet innocent summer child

BS does win on AoE burst over the duration of BS tho, so if there are low health add burst, BS is decent to bring

I wouldnt call it value, as those adds would die either way

but hey

it is there

[haughty epoch]

Fuck value gotta be on top of the meters

[marble pilot]

FOTM then

Only way to always be on top. Assuming you can play whatever class that is well

[haughty epoch]

Is tanking hard

[dense elbow]

not at all

[haughty epoch]

Idk i get heart attack if i loose aggro off a mob

[dense elbow]

Just learn that if ppl take threat and dont come to you with the mob, then if they die they die

it aint a you issue

[haughty epoch]

Mhm

[brittle crow]

u just gotta learn what is and isn't ur problem

if u hit a mob while gathering and some braindead warrior main rips it off u

should've held dps

[dense elbow]

If you spot a DH start channeling his The Hunt, before you even started to get into position

stop

watch

smile

then gather

You get to enjoy some /p messages for free

[haughty epoch]

Lol

[rare garnet]

I’m hoping to unbind it for a minimal loss

[rare garnet]

I used to have a ton of tankxiety then I just disabled party chat and held W. Realizing the concerns of non tanks don’t matter did a lot. Everyone messes up but if they leave they spend 30m in a queue and you’re right back too it.

[dense elbow]

2% is already there :v remember, it isnt a 2% loss to not take it, as the global you would have spent makes up for some of that loss

lets say you used 1 BT instead, you would only have lost 1% DPS

[coarse nest]

OF my beloved

[dense elbow]

People refuse to believe me when I say it is weak

guess if they nerf RB, BT both by 50%, OF will get to shine. Then we aurabuff the spec to make up for it

[rare garnet]

Well, all addons about to be blocked by blizzard

Nintendo won’t suffer this transgression

[restive walrus]

yo hows fury looking going into midnight?

[coarse nest]

Typical warrior appearance with two large weapons

Highly recommend

[restive walrus]

what horde race you like

for fury

[coarse nest]

Me personally, orc

[restive walrus]

regular or mag har

[coarse nest]

Aesthetically I prefer regular orcs

[coarse nest]

Trolls close second aesthetically

Goofy doods just slaying

[restive walrus]

but the feet

[coarse nest]

Yeah the feet kill it for me agree

[restive walrus]

who this

ahh i get it

sorry im slow

[fiery edge]

Damn nuts from berk

[coarse nest]

Sick mog actually

[haughty epoch]

I need recommendations on best instance to farm for warrior tmog

[novel oasis]

Guts is a g

[haughty epoch]

Autocorrect said insurance

[brittle crow]

demon hunter mains play a race that can wear boots and turn the slot off anyways

[rare garnet]

Just play mechagnome no boots

[haughty epoch]

Tauren dh

[coarse nest]

That’s for the nelf toes 🤣

[rotund ginkgo]

since the updates went through are the wowhead talents the current bis for prepatch?

like, playing with BT above RB even on slayer?

[brittle crow]

wowhead is up to date before patches go live

always

!!!!

[rotund ginkgo]

!!!

havent played in months

:3

since season ended*

[brittle crow]

:3

[winter shoal]

Ye

RB is in the bin

[haughty epoch]

Take it off the bar

Auto atks better

[olive jetty]

please help me with this

skilled slayer for m+

found out i have rend, do i press it? how do i spread it

[winter shoal]

Rend is an uncapped aoe ability, and yes you should press it according to the wowhead rotation guide https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/fury/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps

[olive jetty]

wtf

played 2 evenings and didnt have it on my bars

rofl

[rotund ginkgo]

am i tripping or

are the warcraftlogs talent build unusable

like the top 100 etfc

like i literally cant do the last rows

i havent logged in like a month

i cant have stance mastery + bf commander + anger managemetn

[unborn delta]

yea

its because we got hella nerfedc

[rotund ginkgo]

ok so me doing middleo f the pack damage is

normal

y?

[unborn delta]

so all the top dmg is from prenerf

and they changed the talent tree

so you cant import those talent trees

[rotund ginkgo]

eyah it feels awful

so doing 40-50k dmg is normal on ST y?

[unborn delta]

if you play perfectly and get lucky rng then you will prob get like an 85 max

yea thats about right

[rotund ginkgo]

cringe

legit

[sullen dove]

its cringe logs arent partitioned after talent change last week

shows i got an 87 or somethin last dim kill cuz its comparing to literally every other kill in the last month but that shit had to have been like an easy 110

[rotund ginkgo]

i had ONE reclear kill on like week 2 of prepatch

and then i had one today

and i dont even know my logs KEKW

[sullen dove]

the most recent log in top 100 is from feb 9

[rotund ginkgo]

yeah

cringe

[sullen dove]

that did 56k

and i did like 47k post nerf on him like 4ish days ago

[rotund ginkgo]

cracked

[sullen dove]

brain damage

[rotund ginkgo]

:3

[sullen dove]

devourer still exists tho so wtv

[rare garnet]

They simply played better and were rewarded for it.

[sullen dove]

truegi

[blissful delta]

I don't think he cleaved enough

[cobalt kernel]

do you raid with bike swordish?

[sullen dove]

no

[smoky vale]

swordish guild died

[sullen dove]

just sale

[smoky vale]

rip btc

[sullen dove]

no one cares

[smoky vale]

gm

have you applied to any guilds

[sullen dove]

im in one

[smoky vale]

or wahts the current prog on that

link

dms

[cobalt kernel]

if you do a sale with bike again tell him hes a noobshit

[sullen dove]

dm my balls

ok

[rotund ginkgo]

swordish make guild

18 warriors

:3

nvm we dont ahve enraged regen anymroe

16 warriors

[sullen dove]

bloodthirst enough healing

truegi

[dapper goblet]

grats on your trial in poptart corndog swordish

[undone flower]

5 7

[sullen dove]

ty

i can finally join and learn from the best

godking bazeface himself

[coarse nest]

Bros dratnos gaming now

Peak

[brittle crow]

damn how do i get in

[coarse nest]

Know a guy

Be above good

[brittle crow]

but i have no friends

im just good

[plush zephyr]

Be really good/in the community

[brittle crow]

im a lone parser...

[coarse nest]

90 percentile gaming is where it’s as

Super chill

[covert blaze]

thank god

[plush zephyr]

Not like you have to talk much. Parses can speak for themselves.

[brittle crow]

id be rwf raider if parses and raw gamer skill all that mattered

,

[coarse nest]

Climbing the ranks in one day moment

[brittle crow]

i think raid teams should work like ranked where the less mechanics u fail the higher elo gamers u raid with

[covert blaze]

is that not how it works

[brittle crow]

yea but like automatically. dont make me sell myself to a raid leader

[velvet wraith]

During big pull, using tab automatically targets casters if there’s a active cast (and if you’re in range) ?

[brittle crow]

def not

using tab just tabs to the next target

which is going to be entirely arbitrary in a big pull

in big pulls u click ur targets get used to that

[undone flower]

It does try to target an active caster

[velvet wraith]

Okok, I needed confirmation because I had many instances where it targeted the ones that were casting

[brittle crow]

ur lying to me

[plush zephyr]

Get rid or the habit of tabbing, get Platynator or Plater and click what you want to target

Also your tab settings are in game, and you can adjust them (idk how much, tabbing is a bad habit)

[undone flower]

But as said, if there is too many targets, you will not fall in the right caster

[undone flower]

WHY do you think I use a macro that tab kick

[brittle crow]

sickness

[velvet wraith]

Perfect thanks. I put one important caster on focus to ease things and have mouse over macros for every ccs but yeah gotta try to change the tab targeting habit

[undone flower]

For your curiosity @brittle crow
#fury message

[brittle crow]

startattack???

[plush zephyr]

Matteo you can use ^ that macro, just be situational. Tabbing isn’t “bad” but doing it too much randomly trying to find a target is bad instead of just getting used to clicking a nameplate

[undone flower]

It has a focus macro in it, if you have a focus, it will kick the focus and cancel the macro

[plush zephyr]

it works.

[velvet wraith]

Yeah exactly, sometimes I get lost especially since I thought it could be a reliable way to get to casters in some situation

[plush zephyr]

When I first started playing m+ hard in DF, I took tab off my keyboard for a bit lmao

[undone flower]

Yeah I don’t m+ hard, so I’m lazy

[plush zephyr]

Having good nameplates you like is essential

[brittle crow]

my preferred method is
see caster casting
mouseover kick
miss
healer dies

[undone flower]

I would not recommend using it if you push in key lvl where unkick cast = wipe

[undone flower]

Well basically, I see a cast bar, I press instantly at 0.1 sec of the beginning of the cast

[velvet wraith]

It is, I really like the base ones but would like to have some additional features you find in Platy and Plater but so far didn’t find the right profile and didn’t manage to cook something that was good enough for me

[plush zephyr]

I don’t int until the last possible moment

But I don’t pug and my group knows this

[plush zephyr]

Use Jundies profile

For either

= beautiful

[undone flower]

I pug, so I like to insta kick / unless I’m in those keys where one single cast = full wipe

[coarse nest]

Tabs never failed me

[velvet wraith]

Yeah I tried it, gotta take some time to adjust it better maybe

[coarse nest]

Mousover has

[plush zephyr]

I personally like Jundies on Platynator the most

[undone flower]

I tab in raid too, like to target the wall on dimensius

[plush zephyr]

I think tabbing is a lot easier for melee then ranged, at least from my experience of accuracy on what you actually want it to go to

[undone flower]

Yeah idk if it’s a thing I activated or if it’s baseline, the tab = target what you look at

And not the closest thing

Very useful for charges

[tight roost]

is it just me or is nameplate overlap much worse since pre-patch? often i cannot necessarily see if a given caster is casting because other plates are hiding them

[sullen dove]

i think this does happen more often than not

but wouldnt say its foolproof

most of the time tho when i want to try to kick something im not targeting tab usually does the work for me but in like low baby keys doesnt rly matter anyway

if u actually do hard shit you prolly want to like focus target macro kick or something for realsies

[untold shale]

please tell me we dont have to actually manually press rend in ST

[sullen dove]

i feel like something randomly applies it sometimes not sure what tho

its better than rb tho lol

[untold shale]

if you are playing mountain thane

thunderclap applies it

but in raid st u go slayer

[sullen dove]

yea it was as slayer psure

unless im like accidentally hitting it with some like charge macro i might have maybe

could be that tbh but idk

[olive wraith]

Rend>rb if rend is gonna fall off within 5s

[drowsy heron]

god, execute phase feels SO GOOD

[untold shale]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-over-over-it's-gif-3551756699416095564

[past lance]

so what are people playing after the latest talent changes

mountain thane again?

[olive wraith]

Whatever they prefer

[frank dawn]

Thane and Slayer are pretty close across the board

[past lance]

which site has the best talent listing that I can copy paste

[frank dawn]

wowhead

[olive wraith]

Wowhead/icyveins

[past lance]

i think im using wowheads mountain thane right now

[olive wraith]

Same dude pick the layout you prefer

[past lance]

but i got used to playing slayer

i might switch back to slayer

[frank dawn]

Slayer is still good

[olive wraith]

When did you swap to thane

[past lance]

i just swapped back to thane like a week ago

after the last talent patch

[olive wraith]

Cause slayer plays a bit different compared to s3

[past lance]

yea i know we have odyns fury now right

[olive wraith]

That and you don’t really press rb

[past lance]

rb?

[olive wraith]

Raging blow

[past lance]

ahhh is that what im doing wrong

[olive wraith]

It’s one of your lowest prio fillers

[past lance]

so whats the rotation now for thane

[olive wraith]

Wait

You were pressing rb on thane?

[past lance]

well yea theres tons of time without thunder clap procs

[olive wraith]

Over clap?

I assume you mean TB procs

[past lance]

overclap?

[olive wraith]

Are you pressing rb>thunder clap

[past lance]

ummm

no thunder clap i keep highest priority

thunder clap > bloodthirst > raging blow > Rampage > Execute?

[olive wraith]

Just to be clear. It sounds like you’re referring thunder blast as thunder clap

Thunder blast is the empowered thunder clap proc

Raging blows lowest filler

So you ramp and exe before rb

[past lance]

thunder clap...

[olive wraith]

Just checking you mentioned the clap proc

[past lance]

oh is the clap proc called thunder blast?

[olive wraith]

Yes

[past lance]

oh i didnt realize i havent moused over it before

[olive wraith]

Ya they have diff prios

[past lance]

i just press keybindings lol

[olive wraith]

Blast is highest prio in the rotation

Assuming you’re enraged

Bt> base clap

All this is for aoe as well

[dense drum]

Should Anger managemet reduce bladestorm aswell? as it does with same choice note avatar or is bladestorm cd reduction through slayer been faster in midnight

[brittle crow]

it used to lol

[olive wraith]

It doesn’t anymore

Slayer still has cdr in the hero tree, I’m not sure how it compares to tww

Aside from losing am I mean

It’s definitely longer cd in midnight

[frank dawn]

This is feelycraft central, but 65% of the time, ish, Bladestorm is within a few seconds of the same cooldown as recklessness. Another 25% of the time the cooldown is slower than reck because of bad rng, and about 10% of the time it comes up super fast ahead of reck due to high rolls everywhere

[plush maple]

😭

[plush maple]

Pretty accurate

[olive wraith]

Meh rotational I don’t have a big issue with it. I just think giving us rend was pointless

[frank dawn]

rend is dumb, but also it doesn't really matter much

hopefully it changes in season 2

either to make it more interesting or remove it

[plush maple]

It's on my bars so I don't have an empty space but I'll only give a fuck to press it when there is nothing else to press, instead of WW as an example on single target

(When it's about to end)

But fuck Rend

[olive wraith]

If it had like any sort of interplay with another button

I might enjoy it

[plush maple]

Maybe if no one presses it in first season they'll do something

[olive wraith]

But no, it’s just there

[plush maple]

Would make sense to put it with WW but yeah

[olive wraith]

Nah then it’s just pointless

Even more so

[plush maple]

Exactly

Just like on Thane/prot

[olive wraith]

Almost positive that’s not happening

Much rather them remove rend

[plush maple]

[olive wraith]

I also think it’s funny that some of the people that complain about being target capped also hate rend

[frank dawn]

ehhhhhhhhhhhh, I mean, lol. It's not like it does strong uncapped damage or makes a significant difference there

is it more than 0? Well, sure, but it's still not something to be excited about

[olive wraith]

Isn’t it like5-7% in keys

[frank dawn]

yeah if you use it well it can be around that, but there's still an opportunity cost there

the RB and Rampages you would use instead make that gap smaller, but I haven't run any sims to know an exact amount

[olive wraith]

Considering rb is lower prio than rend in st

I’m pretty sure it doesn’t impede on opportunity cost

[past lance]

I just switched to the current slayer mythic + spec

and it doesnt use bladestorm anymore!?

where the hell does the damage come from lol

oh wait i was in the raid one

now im in mythic +

oh yea slayer is way smoother then mountain thane lol

i used to love mountain thane

but not this new one

[olive wraith]

Wdym

Thane hasn’t really changed

[vale reef]

Hey guys — after Blizzard broke a bunch of addons in Midnight (12.0.0), I wanted a simple Enrage solution without all the extra bloat some other addons come with.
So I made: Better Tracked Bars - Formerly Better Enrage Bar.

What it does:

• When Enrage is active, it skins Blizzard’s native Enrage tracked bar so it’s clean and readable.
• When Enrage is NOT active, it can show a separate “not enraged” bar so you always know your state at a glance.

What’s customizable:

• Bar size, position, and frame strata
• Timer visibility + alignment options
• Active / not-enraged text behavior
• Fonts and textures (LibSharedMedia supported)
• Colors for active, not-enraged, and background (with opacity)
• Show/hide icon and not-enraged display behavior

Why it’s nice:

• Lightweight, event-driven performance (no constant OnUpdate spam)
• Solid Edit Mode support
• Smart anchoring to Blizzard + addon frames (BetterCooldownManager, ElvUI, SenseiClassResourceBar, Unhalted Unit Frames)

How to configure:

1. Go to Options -> Gameplay Enhancements -> Cooldown Manager, make sure Enable Cooldown Manager is ON, then click Advanced Cooldown Settings.
2. In Advanced Cooldown Settings, click Buffs, search Enrage, right-click it, and choose Assign to Tracked Bars.
3. Open Edit Mode (Esc -> Edit Mode), click Tracked Bars, and set Visibility to Always Visible or In Combat.

Let me know of any problems, either send me a message directly or post in my discord (found in edit mode settings).

Links:
CurseForge: https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/better-tracked-bars
Wago: https://addons.wago.io/addons/better-tracked-bars

Thanks!
~Silverbrit (Syede-Illidan)

[winter shoal]

Holy wall of text

#ui-addons-manager or #promotion

[olive wraith]

I thought it was a Mr beast thing

[brittle crow]

mrbeassttttt

[dense elbow]

I was about to @ valkyr

I dont need a rage bar tho, ty for askib

[vale reef]

It’s an enrage bar, not rage

[dense elbow]

I dont need an engage bar tho, ty for askib

[sullen dove]

he was only asking you yep

def made this entire thing just to meet your satisfaction

quit the yap

[dense elbow]

Never

[slim coral]

Can you make it not have the icon and text? Basically like the enrage bar Arcui uses

[vale reef]

Yep it’s possible in the settings

[slim coral]

I’ll try it out then cause I’d have rather not have a full addon just for one bar

[vale reef]

Pretty much my motivation as well

[olive wraith]

You don’t run the bladestorm addon?

[earnest canyon]

can u do a bar that tells me when the gf is enraged? Cos sometimes she looks grump as fuck and I say "whats wrong?" and she says NOTHING.

[muted star]

isnt that the /played addon? that made a bar

[earnest canyon]

[olive jetty]

Morning folks, just wondered if leveling thane or slayer would make much of a difference

[cobalt kernel]

likely not, id suggest slayer for better prio though

[drowsy heron]

Bladestorm addon?

[olive wraith]

The one that spins your camera when you bs

[drowsy heron]

oh god plz no

[olive wraith]

[drowsy heron]

sounds like the turtle mount from XIV

[reef laurel]

so is crit a sim trap rn or is there a breakpoint I'm looking for?

[drowsy heron]

crit is our lowest prio stat

[reef laurel]

yeah sim is pushing crit on me, I thought it was off

[drowsy heron]

might be due to diminishing returns on other stats?

[reef laurel]

sim is pushing every crit option for me with these stats

only 163 on this toon

[drowsy heron]

i'm surprised its not pushing Vers

[reef laurel]

right?

gearing for raid next tier and I assumed the crit would be much much lower with how fury plays, so I assumed sim trap

[olive wraith]

St sim or aoe

[reef laurel]

st

[olive wraith]

Hmmm

[reef laurel]

if I run any sim with a slight crit increase it recommends that

[summer quail]

link sim?

[reef laurel]

just random 2 last quick sims, first with crit on cloak and second with mastery

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aAYCSjNHhrzQVM9kUbr62C

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/31aW2K1JfhNzHY2GtCxhjT

I could also be bad at simming, was heals for last 3 tiers but got put back to dps

I appreciate any help

[summer quail]

my guy why are you simming no raidbuffs?

[reef laurel]

ok fair, let me try again lol

I told you I might just be bad at this 😂

[summer quail]

i simmed it as well for you, it does indeed want crit

[slim coral]

Do you guys have your speed sets ready

[reef laurel]

yeah I just ran it with raid buffs and tempered pots, and still a boost with crit

🤷

ty

[reef laurel]

will you link me the sim?

please and ty

[drowsy heron]

still getting used to the low numbers we have now lol

[summer quail]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3iPDRxwACUcFqPNTbicMZW it's just a topgear sim with some ring and weapon enchants

[warm crag]

do you know what a sim trap is my king

[high sedge]

what if the robot is lying on purpose

ever thought of that

[radiant plank]

archi made the robot lie so he could get all the r1 parses

[flat river]

real

[high sedge]

real

[summer crater]

So is raging blow significantly weaker relative to BT in midnight (compared to war within)?

[hollow bloom]

It`s very weak

[summer crater]

Thanks (and good riddance)

[plush zephyr]

rb will be incredibly missed. tww s3 fury gameplay was fun af.

[icy torrent]

Does anyone else have the issue that Seinsei whirlwind bar and improved whilrwind track bar both are displaying 4 whirlwind stacks when pressing whirlwind even when no target was hit and no buff was applied?

[plush zephyr]

no cause cdm does it right and I don’t have to worry about an add on

[bitter palm]

idk to me it doesnt make a difference

same button with a diff name and icon and animation

and bt sounds cooler

[summer crater]

I want to hit bt more because it heals

[icy torrent]

CDM is not showing a bar

[plush zephyr]

It doesn’t show a bar, no, but an icon with a number.

[icy torrent]

yeah that sucks

[bitter palm]

iirc thats not fixable

its an api limitation

prolly works something like if ww is pressed give 4 stacks then look at combat log

also im pretty sure unhinged doesnt work with it as well

the auto cast bts will decrease ww stacks on the addon even though they dont

[plush zephyr]

I ain’t trustin’ no combat add on come midnight

Ion wants us to raw dog it

[plush zephyr]

Idk why that made me lol

[icy torrent]

with ArcUI it works but I don't want to use this addon just for a whirlwind bar

[rare garnet]

Well then time to go all in on ArcUI and use it for everything!! Kek

[gleaming siren]

cant read combat log anyway

[bitter palm]

yeah i forgot

it works in some fucked up way

[gleaming siren]

Looking at it the only thing it can do is check all your active nameplates for one of them being in interact range

incredible hackjob

[bitter palm]

axaxaxa w blizzard

[gleaming siren]

at least it's not secret laundering

so it won't get fixed :^)

there is nothing to fix tbf

[urban roost]

hello.
Im a bit confused about the fury rotation. Is Whirlwind getting removed in Midnight?

[compact siren]

Schmididi toilet

[urban roost]

Also wowhead refers to Bloodbath, but i cant find it anywhere

[warm crag]

it's not, are you looking at mountain thane? it picks a talent that makes thunder clap do the same thing as whirlwind so you use that instead

[warm crag]

read the reckless abandon talent in the fury tree, the search bar in the bottom of the talent tree is very useful for questions like this

[urban roost]

thanks

[unborn delta]

can we move our buffs around/hide some buffs and put the whirlwind buff stacks in the middle of our screen somehow?

becaues top right definitely has the stacks im pretty sure

and theres no latency on those

[dense elbow]

The native UI tracker also is "bugged", as it also removes the stack at the end of the channel, not on the press

If it is the unhinged BS bug ya talking about, it is your addons trying to work around the 1st issue that is creating the 2nd headache

Just count to 4 between WWs, like a true warrior

[tall ruin]

I use Sensei Class Resource Bar. Its tweakable in edit mode and has a faster update feature that gives you real time stacks instead of the lag you get from creating a buff bar with arcui.

[undone flower]

The top right have the bug too

[olive jetty]

Does fast footwork stack with movementspeed on items ?

[lime solstice]

any talents for m+ ?

[radiant plank]

wowhead

[lime solstice]

CgEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgGDjhhlZmHYmZmZMzYGzYmlZmxYmZbMzMAAQw2yALAgZQgZYDwYjZbAAwMjhZmZwA i am using this ones , don't know if they are best tho

[winter shoal]

Buffs are secret, but cast success events are not, so (I believe) it checks for the whirlwind cast, does some preliminary filtering based on your range from the target etc, and then decrements the stacks based on cast success events. Everything has to be done very manually though, so like to filter out unhinged BT/BB you'd have to look for the cast event for BS and then start a timer to not decrement the stacks while BS is active

[lime solstice]

usually wowhead is clickbait xD

[winter shoal]

Wowhead is good

I don't know how a talent build would be clickbait anyways

[radiant plank]

Archi only posts bad builds so he can have all R1

[lime solstice]

because like echo site and wowhead site, they posted like this is good this is bad , and i played like dudu tank that they said it was good and it was really shit show i forgot what season 😄

[winter shoal]

All that sandbagging and we're still worse than mages sadge

[radiant plank]

okay but thats druid

not warrior

[lime solstice]

mages defs are shit in midnight tho

[radiant plank]

xd

[lime solstice]

also fuck warrior leveling in tbc tho , i gave up on 40 something level xD

[brittle crow]

is there any way to put a number on the default resource bar

or make it not look like shite in general

id love to get rid of the last addon im holding onto

i dont NEED sensei's

[bitter palm]

yeah makes sense

w blizzard

everything manual instead of having 400 weakauras u have 400 addons

[covert blaze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1294680138042183711/1406564095775473714/schmidirot.gif

[fiery edge]

does slayer just rotate ww, rend and BT in aoe?

raging blow is ass

[compact siren]

Schmididi Toilet

[cursive pivot]

Where did you find this? I’ve been searching for it 😂

[calm dock]

am i crazy or does Fury feel really bad to play rn? why am i a bleed spec all of a sudden and all my dmg comes from a random proc whily my actual buttons do fuck all

[wind token]

Blood thirst hits hard

Also clap does really good damage

[clever belfry]

@warm crag

[cursive pivot]

Watched Noxiv slam a FL21 using slayer. Top of the damage/dps charts.

[young swan]

reap the storm is very powerful

[young swan]

its only kind of a random proc

half a random proc

[olive wraith]

Rb is a low prio filler

You’ll hit it semi often just cause you have a cd on exe,bt and need rage for ramp

And ya weave in ww for cleave charges

[young swan]

only rend to apply or reapply in pandemic range

[turbid spruce]

Can someone pls link me the easiest addon to create a enrage and whirlwhind minimalist bar? like luxthos in the printscreen, i know arcui can do it but its a bit annoying to manage, i just want a lightweight option

[young swan]

sensei's resource bar might do both but unsure

[radiant plank]

enrage no

[young swan]

someone made an enrage tracker and they posted it last night in #ui-addons-manager

[radiant plank]

ww yes

[young swan]

yeah I dont think theres an all-in-one warrior package as of right now

gonna need at least 2 addons

[warm crag]

we gotta stop this

[radiant plank]

Only if we had a compenent addon dev in this discord

[clever belfry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1294680138042183711/1456739652177231973/pearwriggler.gif

[radiant plank]

who would make an addn o remind me in dsatnce

[warm crag]

what would the pear wiggler do to a rat

scary

[warm crag]

he actually got disbarred from addon dev for vibe coding

[radiant plank]

is this why i ahve 10 fps with that addon enabled

[sullen dove]

let me tell you a story

[dim spindle]

... It's FINE.

[dim spindle]

I'm getting crit recommended, too. I think it is because of diminishing returns (if it isn't simply bugged and/or inaccurate atm), haste is at like -20% for most of us at this point. And mastery.

I stacked up some crit (thane) and haven't played too much but it doesn't seem to have hurt

There's a few interactions with crit that could boost it's value so I don't see why not... half of versatility's true value isn't even counted into dps sims

So purely damage wise, I can believe crit is ahead of vers even if slightly

Even just that extra 1s of enrage from BT crit could be the difference. And ofc crit gains a lot of value in MT

[gleaming crag]

why is crit simming so high for me ?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9xMuTKx13JSjDuxNdtwT3n

[unborn delta]

Because it will make your damage do more damage

[gleaming crag]

are there now well defined breakpoints for where we want our stats to be ?

[marble pilot]

Doubtful

[winter shoal]

Breakpoints are pretty rare in the modern game I think

[marble pilot]

Everything does pandemics/partial damage on last tick these days. So unless there are things like minimum haste to have 100% enrage then I doubt we get true breakpoints

Maybe we have one where you get 1 more rampage during reck or something. But even that would be somewhat rng based on rage gain

[winter shoal]

I think breakpoints these days are more things like fitting an extra global in a fixed-duration buff or reducing your gcd to the global minimum

I don't think maintaining 100% enrage would ever really be a "breakpoint" because there's variance in SD/TB procs and RB resets

You might be able to fit an extra global in your enrage, but there's no guarantee that global will be super valuable

[marble pilot]

1 more rampage during reck for the stacking str buff maybe then. But thats still pretty variable and hard to have a clear number for

[winter shoal]

Also generally not super high value

[marble pilot]

All that to say I doubt we get a true breakpoint in Midnight. There might be some minor softbreakpoints. But those will be naturally passed by haste/mastery generally being our best stats

[hardy vault]

hmmm, my exec button is always "glow up", whereas i don't have the proc, i'm the only one ?

i have already tried to restard game

[reef jetty]

Thanks for your answer 🙂

[slim coral]

It sounds like a bug

[gilded pawn]

Breakpoints exists and are real but sims can take account of EVERY one of those instead of any arbitrary one

[chrome wraith]

Are we still cooked boys?

[sullen dove]

uh

no

[unborn delta]

fury will be mid

arms will be benchspec

[velvet wraith]

Guys, how to you manage to always be on target with stacking nameplates ? With overlapping ones it’s harder to see casts and stuff but at least when I’m near the nameplate, I’m on range to hit but with stacking, I’m having trouble seeing where the mobs are at on bigger pulls and sometimes I end up not being in range and just looking for a target to hit. Do you use tab targeting in these situations to not have downtime while getting back to the prio target ?

[unborn delta]

just turn off nameplates

[marble pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608

[unborn delta]

then its easier to click on the dudes

realistically you gotta git gud at setting focus and use a macro but im bad and tab target

[marble pilot]

I count on action targeting to get me through. And interrupts are still a nightmare. Though I have gotten better at it.

[unborn delta]

one day i will start using the focus set + target focus macros i made that arent on my bar

[dusky moon]

Starting to understand some of your performance issues in raid

[unborn delta]

what performance issues

🤔

the only performance issues i have are in bed

[dusky moon]

🥀

[unborn delta]

(my sleep score hella low)

[velvet wraith]

Yeah I’ve got focus macros on all ccs and it helps but glad to see it’s the same chaos for others hahah

[marble pilot]

Also pp doesnt work good

[velvet wraith]

What do you mean by action targeting ?

[unborn delta]

tab targetting is kinda smart sometimes

[marble pilot]

Its a setting in the base game that hits whatever is in range even if you dont have a target

Been times when I was accidently targeting like the tank cause I clicked bad. But spamming buttons still hits whatever is in range

[velvet wraith]

Oh, can be indeed a good way to not loose downtime

But if you manually target something you stay on this one as long as it’s in range right ?

[marble pilot]

Yeah it isnt super smart though. So still better to be on the correct target. But at least you can keep uptime going. And yeah if you have something manually targeted that takes priority

But if you have no target or an out of range target or invalid it hits whatever it can that is in range

[velvet wraith]

Okok, I’ll try this and try again to stick with tab targeting the nearest enemy when it’s too chaotic while I get back to the main target. See what works best

Thanks for the answers 👌🏼

[marble pilot]

Some people hate it. But I use it on every toon. Just helps me with accidental downtime

[velvet wraith]

Yeah I can see where it can be a problem, on moving packs where you’d have to be more aggressive in re-targeting the prio target more often I guess

[coarse nest]

Don’t have to swap to tangles if you can’t see the health bar to know where to click

[feral ivy]

anyone finding them being nice to use weird

[hollow leaf]

being nice would be to get rid of crests entirely

[dusky moon]

The achievement is worthless, it takes 11ish weeks of perfect 3/6 vaults to get it, closer to 17+ weeks for others

[slim coral]

what woudl you put in place of crest?

[dusky moon]

Crests are the best system they've had in 20 years, they just need to increase the number you can get per week to 150

Solves all issues

[slim coral]

Yeah I mean the upgrade system isn't fully perfect but this is by far the best like you said

and thank god valorstones are gone

holy

best change in 2 years

[dusky moon]

Agreed

[smoky nacelle]

make reforging great again

[feral ivy]

helps A LOT on alts

[dusky moon]

True

[feral ivy]

alt friendly expac

its really only reason i dont have alts. its because it takes FOREVER to get them mythic ready

if u dont do a key or 8 everyweek

[dusky moon]

The problem is

You're talking still about weeks 12-16

Until it's alt friendly

[feral ivy]

true

[olive wraith]

Replace crests with badges

[slim coral]

I do think for crest they need to make them acc wide

so many times that at some point in the season I have 1k crest

[indigo arch]

Account wide crests by turboboost patch AT LEAST

[sullen tendon]

Actually doing stuff in the game. Complete hard content that isn’t lazy like mythic raid to unlock higher level gear. Complete a hard quest chain that isn’t just story mode crap that has you kill 3 elite mobs. Like ?? Kyvesza level stuff to unlock mythic track stuff and not just farming easy content endlessly for currencies.

[slim coral]

I mean

[sullen tendon]

You have to do 10 mythic plus dungeons to fully upgrade 1 piece of gear now

[slim coral]

You still have to do mythic raid if you want the best gear a lot of the time

[sullen tendon]

Yea

[slim coral]

and when that does happen the casuals mass complain

[bitter palm]

ure doing the hardest content why are u getting the best gear!!!

[slim coral]

I remember when raid was the only ones getting dinar

then the casual m+ players all complained

[frank dawn]

I feel like it's a pretty big thing that the current Midnight crest system takes 5 months to finish. So like...you're never going to get that achievement for myth gear. right?

am I missing something lol

[sullen tendon]

Get better or stay doing delves and posting on Reddit how proud you are of finally completing your first +10 dungeon

Tediousness shouldn’t equal difficulty

[indigo arch]

Imagine if they got rid of all these other gear sources and pve was just normal and heroic dungeons-raid difficulties

They'd still complain that mythic raiders had more gear

[sullen tendon]

M+ is popular because mythic raid has no value anymore.

And there is no content in the game that values gear enough to want to do it

You get mythic gear to do mythic

[sullen tendon]

Honestly should just throw away the ultra casual opinions they have no right to speak on it. If you are only subbing to the game to collect flower transmogs and do heroic dungeons then how can you say it’s not fair

[slim coral]

The mythic boots were requried to raid

for manageforge

[fringe vale]

And to do m+ also

[sullen tendon]

The only reason I used to mythic raid was for the transmog flex and gear no one else would be able to obtain without doing mythic

[indigo arch]

Delves giving gilded is already pandering hard to them

[fringe vale]

They forced you to raid, which is a good thing imho

[bitter palm]

they should just

split m+ and raid already

i dont want to raid

its effort

[sullen tendon]

I stopped mythic raiding when they made it so you can just get the mythic tmog from anything

The mounts are not worth enough to fully go in

[bitter palm]

i just cba having to organize my life around a game

[sullen tendon]

It may have been years ago when it was special but now literally every end boss drops a mount

[indigo arch]

Raid mounts haven't looked that great in a while

[bitter palm]

ok buddy tindral

[sullen tendon]

Again it’s not worth enough.

[bitter palm]

no game is worth enough for me

[sullen tendon]

You can get everything you want from other sources

[bitter palm]

for all i care

give everyone myth gear

gear is so irrelevant

[indigo arch]

Like nerubar patch pve mounts were all ugly lmao

[sullen tendon]

That’s why they need to add harder content beyond mythic + and mythic raid to unlock actually power. You shouldn’t be able to just buy crafted gear and be heroic geared within a day

[fringe vale]

To each their own imho, there’s not a huge time demand to raid and do m+ unless you’re on a top 100 guild and going for 1% m+ title

[sullen tendon]

They need proving grounds but as quest chains and actually hard

[fringe vale]

You can clear mythic raid with a 2h/day 2 day guild

[sullen tendon]

Imo you should have to do mage tower delve ?? Boss kind of things as part of a big quest chain to unlock myth track stuff. And then your gear should just automatically gain ilvls as you do harder content. Complete 4 mythic bosses = +1 myth track level complete 4 15+ m+ dungeons = +1 myth track level

Complete delve ?? Boss = +1 myth track level

I would like things like diaries from osrs in wow

You complete harder and harder tasks to unlock power and QoL features

[bitter palm]

yeah but its gonna take ages

id rather clear the raid fast then unsub

raidlog*

[coarse nest]

I personally think raiding should be the primary gear acquisition, the entire story each expansion is about defeating the big bad guys in the raids.. dungeons are just side activities

[sullen tendon]

Raids are fucking boring

[coarse nest]

That’s what WoW is

[sullen tendon]

Wiping 40 times because some idiot won’t stop tunneling

[coarse nest]

Again, WoW is a game the primarily focuses on the raid as the pinnacle content

[sullen tendon]

Raiding has barely been the main focus of wow for like 10 years

[coarse nest]

Dungeons in my own opinion have been given to much value

[sullen tendon]

No one would play the game if raids were the only thing you can do. There isn’t enough enjoyment outside of end game content anymore to justify it.

This isn’t tbc wotlk era where you could spend 50 days getting to max level

[woven valley]

They are starting to lean heavier into world content for casuals

Which is good for the games health imo

[sullen tendon]

And it sucks

[slim coral]

nothing beats the feeling of climbing raid ranks

[woven valley]

Maybe to you it does, a ton of players love delves and world content

[sullen tendon]

Instead of making the actual whole world alive and playable the just focus on adding a new world event every patch that people do for 4 days before never touching it again

Can’t wait to do legion assaults for the 20th time

World quests have overstayed their welcome

[dapper goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-spiderman-homecoming-tom-holland-tom-holland-spiderman-bad-takes-gif-26937503

[sullen tendon]

World quests are basically just excuses for blizz to not add better ways to gain reputation now

[coarse nest]

I disagree, building up your character through “lesser” activities like dungeons or open world content to be able to defeat the raid bosses are practically basic rpg elements

[sullen tendon]

You outgrow the need for world quests like 2 weeks into the expac

[bitter palm]

didnt u have to do world quests in bfa

for azerite power

and literally EVERYONE hated it

[sullen tendon]

Ok that’s what I’m saying. There isn’t enough to justify it. Adding a legion assault or more world quests isn’t enough.

Every quest in modern expansions gives you green leveling gear

There’s no gearing from raid from world content

[coarse nest]

I’m not advocating for world quests by any means I just personally believe that raid should always remain the pinnacle content in WoW

Its literally an rpg at heart

[sullen tendon]

It’s still an rpg but it’s not the dog that classic boomers think it still is. Wow is all endgame there’s no early or mid game like other mmos.

[coarse nest]

We’ve moved past classic era I completely agree with that

[sullen tendon]

You don’t spend weeks working toward your epic purple weapon from a hard quest chain you log in and do 3 quests and get a legendary item that everyone else has

Or you get lucky on a roll

Wow is not a classic rpg and they need to incentivize as if it isn’t

[bitter palm]

agreed

they need to do a fellowship with m+

imo

no soloq in 2026 is crazy

[sullen tendon]

Focus on endgame means adding ways to feel progression through achievements instead of progression through grinding and luck

I.e. complete hard content to unlock powerful gear

And you can’t lock it all in raid

Because no one wants to put that much time into it

[coarse nest]

This I’m with you on totally,
luck based power isn’t favorable in my book

[bitter palm]

fyralath made me crash out

[sullen tendon]

I think if I have to grind blackwater to exalted I deserve a mythic ilvl track item instead of a recolored transmog

[olive wraith]

One thing I hope they bring back is a weekly dungeon myth track piece like hard mode tasz

[coarse nest]

Week 14 gang ☠️

[rose rain]

I agree they should add meaningful endgame content you want to log for every day and work towards. Feels like right now 3 weeks into a season all you do is log for your couple m+ dungeons, do the raid and you just wait for wednesday.

[bitter palm]

idk when was that

[sullen tendon]

Achievment based power is better than tediousness based power

[bitter palm]

but i got it like

late jan?

i think

or early february

not early not late

[sullen tendon]

Yes that’s why crests fucking suck

[bitter palm]

seeing a rando in valdrakken

at lfr ilvl

[coarse nest]

Weekly heroic clears starting at week 1 and I got mine when they added the bad luck protection on week 14

[bitter palm]

with fyralath made me crashout so much

[sullen tendon]

Time gates behind time gates behind time gates

[bitter palm]

i think i got it that week too

bro the quest line was so ass

[coarse nest]

This has potential!

[sullen tendon]

Grind crests jut to have to wait a week to half upgrade a single piece next week

[bitter palm]

ngl before they add systems like that

i want good gameplay

[bitter palm]

axaxaxaxxa

[sullen tendon]

Never going to happen

[bitter palm]

which they clearly dont want

[rose rain]

i think factions could give unique mythic ger at max rep and then you can do additional demanding content tied to that faction to make it even stronger in unique ways to compared to normal item upgrades

[sullen tendon]

All you can do is hope you don’t end up like arms and deal with whatever regarded decision they make for classes

[covert blaze]

i think I got it late jan

iirc

[bitter palm]

we got it at the same time i think?

nah bro i remember showing up to raid with it

and immediately top dps

from mid to top dps

peak!!!

so good!!!

[sullen tendon]

Fury changes for the past 10 years are basically switching back and forth between bt and rb. They will never rework it like unholy does every patch.

[covert blaze]

you still press fester to press SS and spend RP with DC or epi

it's been like that since forever

[winter shoal]

#fury message

[fringe vale]

Ok listen, you can’t complain about raids being ling and repetitive while also praising m+ who are also very time consuming and VERY repetitive. Just don’t.

[winter shoal]

I was crashing out

[radiant plank]

got mine from our 1st mythic kill and then we had a 2 week break bigsmile

[dapper goblet]

xan said the weapon was bad so nice try

[covert blaze]

dark times

[bitter palm]

send the fyralath ow2 silver junkrat pasta

[bitter palm]

lovely

!

[coarse nest]

Imagine week 1 fyralath

Ez rank 1 gaming

😎

[slim coral]

fyr week 1 was actaully terrible because they didnt tune the weapon iirc

[dapper goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/cope-harder-cope-sir-cope-sir-american-psycho-gif-26276799

[coarse nest]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1154405608422903919/1179234685986021377/image0.png?ex=6999b522&is=699863a2&hm=1cca56318d21af5a310771ac97a1c36149b2c23d6c328462ca542236debabeb4&

The real patch winners

[turbid spruce]

Hi, there's some reason to NOT macro avatar and reckeless together?

[marble pilot]

You like hitting more buttons

But being serious no. Macro that together and throw trinket on it as well

[turbid spruce]

ty, now i have a nuclear button

[sullen dove]

oh no the weapon that was still better than every other weapon was mildly annoying to use and had a non hasted channel

got buffed later

but like callin it terrible is chopped

[dapper goblet]

xan called it terrible

he got it week 1

blizzard contact

[slim coral]

idk I just remember something about it sucked early

maybe it was just our class without it idk

[frank dawn]

The on use was fucking garbage early on, but the weapon was never bad

The passive damage plus ilvl always made it best. But it certainly didn’t feel very legendary for quite a while

[junior gale]

They had to buff its dmg and it wasn't initially hasted

[slim coral]

speaking of crest

[dusky moon]

I know

https://tenor.com/view/annoyed-fuck-frustrated-gif-15331740

6 hours of reworking tonight

[slim coral]

https://tenor.com/view/wagecage-gif-19254193

[summer quail]

lmao the title change, and i bet you still get pinged asking if you know hahahah

[dusky moon]

See baze

[summer quail]

tru ignore baze tho. only yellow i listen to is silm

[slim coral]

I just got home from grabbing mcdonalds so I'm vibing

[slim coral]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-awkward-gif-17846653676727767557

[sudden tusk]

Can I also ping you for fun

[dusky moon]

I'm working so it's just a fun distraction at this point

In a couple hours when I'm home I'm going to lock in though

[sudden tusk]

Holy

[spare steppe]

Wait this is great

[brittle crow]

your fault for trying to be helpful

[dusky moon]

Unironically, I think the system is now going to be better than TWW

[brittle crow]

it changes that much?

[sudden tusk]

I think heroic crests actually being useful is the best addition

[spare steppe]

That annihilape pic is fantastic, best of luck with updating!

[dusky moon]

Yes, because of what Maddox said

[dusky moon]

Ty, I was told there was a pokémon that got so angry it fucking dies and then is so angry it stays on as a rage ghost

I was like yep that's my spirit animal

[brittle crow]

ANNIHILAPE

my favorite

[sudden tusk]

I don't know what the embellish setup is though so not sure how strong wep crafts will be

Depends on where a 2h is on the loot table

[brittle crow]

it evolves from primape after using Rage Fist 20 times

you have to get angry enough for it to evolve

[dusky moon]

I love that, the only pokémon I've played is pokémon Blue

[brittle crow]

my 2nd favorite is gengar so

im also a boomer

[summer quail]

why is it great?

crafted now not crest effective(same as regular gear)

[spare steppe]

I was thinking of the 20/20 part, makes it less overall crests to upgrade a piece (120 instead of 150)

[frank dawn]

I mean you can still full upgrade one piece per week with crest cap. Crafting is balanced at its ilvl, whatever. No Valorstones. The discount for alts is pretty big.

And they just reduced the total number of crests needed by 33%

[velvet wraith]

100 crests* since it’s 5 upgrades to get to 6/6

[young swan]

@dusky moon hey did you know about the changes

[frank dawn]

This guy

[spare steppe]

Even better!

[frank dawn]

But yeah this system feels reasonable and better than TWW now I think. Especially if you assume somewhere around 8 weeks in they’ll uncap crests

[spare steppe]

The not being able to max upgrade a piece felt wrong

[dusky moon]

All right I'm going to include a slur against warriors in the guide again

[velvet wraith]

Indeed. And now we’ll not feel punished to upgrade a hero piece to max

[spare steppe]

We deserve it

[summer quail]

thank you. not the same without it

[spare steppe]

Larias what’s your favorite class discord

[dusky moon]

Not warrior

[brittle crow]

:(

[summer quail]

as long as it's not evoker or druid it's fine

especially evoker

[dusky moon]

You know what class I play

[summer quail]

I personally do not. you seem like a shaman tho

[brittle crow]

whats wrong w druid discord

ive only ever been in guardian chat

[summer quail]

idk when i was in there ages ago they kept referring me to some website and kept ignoring my questions. horrible experience

[brittle crow]

hmmge

was the website wowhead.com

[summer quail]

nah was some druid website

[brittle crow]

monks redirect people to peak of serenity all the time dont they

or they did before that place became derelict

[winter shoal]

W

[summer quail]

yea basically their version of that, but it was also like 4 years ago or something. maybe 3

[dusky moon]

I've played devastation evoker exclusively since season 1 of dragonflight

[summer quail]

HAHAH dev is fine tho. unbridled hatred towards aug

[brittle crow]

INSANE DEBUFF GAME CHANGING

1% less damage holyyyy

[olive wraith]

Imagine if they buffed warpaint by 1%

[dense elbow]

They prob should nerf warpaint 90%, so you take 80% more damage

[wild mural]

are we dooming as fury aswell

[dense elbow]

Only got a week or two to do it

so better get it out now

[wild mural]

with less than a week till launch where does fury currently sit

am I gonna be bottom dps no matter what spec i play

[summer quail]

nah fury chilling. there's a few things like enraged regen costing damage and having to press rend as slayer

[wild mural]

I see

I don't wanna play fury 🙁

[inland flame]

I really liked Slayer Fury with the Manaforge 4p, mostly just because I'm not used to being good on mass aoe but hey

[dense elbow]

[inland flame]

Thane I could take or leave but the rng of the tier set was really rough sometimes, felt really good when you got lucky

[open sage]

having to press rend as slayer makes me depressed

[spare steppe]

^

[inland flame]

Yeah not a fan

[spare steppe]

It feels weird having a button that doesn’t exist for MT too

I want all my buttons and the priority to change per hero tree