fury

[olive wraith]

What’s mm?

[vapid dagger]

Mythic

[olive wraith]

Keys?

[honest trail]

How reliable are current simc?

[olive wraith]

They’re okay I think? Don’t expect a lot of updates in the next few weeks though

[honest trail]

So my Slayer build is about 5 to 10% behind Thane at 8 targets pulls

Which is big

Even with bit more prio dmg

[olive wraith]

Ya thane still does better at sustained aoe

[hearty geyser]

I just wanna spam raging blow with slayer to trigger reap the storm 😭😫😫😫

[honest trail]

Same but we'll adapt

[hearty geyser]

Jesus

Make Warri great again pls

[honest trail]

Hence why I don't think Slayer will be the play, unless premades in a very specific comp

[hearty geyser]

🥹

[olive wraith]

I’m glad rb spam is gone

They did nerf rb too much though

[dim spindle]

Pretty sure I've seen much smarter warriors here mention that sims work but have a few bugs so shouldn't be taken as gospel

But to get a rough idea, sure

[candid sorrel]

Warrior no smart - warrior go zug

[dense elbow]

Ignore sims, take avatar slayer build into m+, profit

gl hf

[inland flame]

We have noticed some Warriors playing Slayer in M+, so we have nerfed Reap by an additional 5%. Also, we have nerfed Thunder Blast by another 30%, just in case.

[dim spindle]

Agreed

Zug.

[dense elbow]

To be fair, reap nerfs is kinda warranted, you take some of that overperformance in the dam profile, then you redistribute that into things that is fun, like bladestorm, or bladestorm

[brittle crow]

id prefer bladestorm

[inland flame]

yeah but like they actually gotta move it or its just a dam loss

[dense elbow]

Could be they are happy with the dam profile breakdown being 18% reap the storm and 10% bladestorm, and go "well, we aurabuff after this"

Baseond on the Col Demolish nerfs tho, yeah, they are likely to nerf BS the moment they fix the avatar vs bs issue

[fickle stirrup]

Is it normal that Thane and Slayer are simming like 1% away from eachother for me?
In ST it's like 0.2% and AoE its only like 1%

[orchid oyster]

Sims aren't too reliable right now so hard to say

[red berry]

the reap nerf was very small

[fading sky]

Fam we are we import later

[fading sky]

I think its about 5%

👍🏻

[red berry]

iirc Archi said 1.4%

[fading sky]

From 35 to 30 deffo is 5

[red berry]

okay yes it went from 35 to 30% proc chance yes

[olive wraith]

That’s also not applied yet

[red berry]

it is not yet, no

[mossy veldt]

and? what do u prefer?

[dusky moon]

Hey, wanted to let everybody know that I have a basically finished guide for the Midnight launch. There are still some things I need to add to the weekly checklist - Little PVP stuff here and there, exact details of the weekly quests - but the upgrade path and most of the weekly checklist are done.

There's also a new add-on that brings the checklist into the game itself If you prefer to do that. Anytime I update the checklist, within an hour or so the add-on will update and you'll have the most up-to-date information in game available to you. You can find a link to the add-on on the checklist page.

Guide: https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTGkZ2Cjr0jlv90XqW9vy9VXsVucd-yMCgHdyCvX_kQfOrexNDAC7Lf3LifuhqxrcWqJ0W3zIhvK3ii/pub

Checklist: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iK2SZUcz_ljnkdTG7KW6pqfzaUDuSgnlh1HupcLrkus/

[ashen geyser]

I really think they should bring back ravager for thane and make bladestorm and avatar separate

Sharing a node is dumb and obv the devs don't play their game

[summer quail]

no. no ravager

unnecessary

[young swan]

ty larias

W as usual

[dusky moon]

Happy to share

If you guys notice anything missing or if you think something's wrong, please let me know

If you could also time out @coarse nest because he missed Raid this week I would appreciate it

[edgy widget]

Avatar doesn't do shit for Slayer, they just need to tune better

and Ravager is just CD bloat, leave it in the dirt

[summer quail]

missing the little warrior insult somewhere. not the same without it

[dusky moon]

Lmao

The problem is no one will be able to understand it, not just warriors

The new upgrade system is asinine

At the bare minimum, they need to increase crafting costs to 100 and increase crests per week to 150

[ashen geyser]

I guess then my question is why does Arms get both?

Arms also has slayer

And they get free Avatar with it

Just a question I wish they'd maybe do like an explanation of.

But what do I know

I'm not a dev.

[edgy widget]

Because they made a worse choice in adding a pointless cooldown back instead, which created a terrible gameplay loop and balancing problem in the process

Also Arms doesn't have Recklessness

[ashen geyser]

Fair. But arms already has more buttons than fury.

So if it was a bloat issue.

I guess I just don't see the vision.

[edgy widget]

Yeah they shouldn't have added Ravager back

[ashen geyser]

Which makes me wish we kinda had a

Idk

I think they did it in legion?

Where they explained why they made the changes they did when they redid the classes

[summer quail]

it was a bloat issue. they took away rav and avatar but casuals complained and now arms is still bloated

weird decisions by blizz

but it is what it is

[ashen geyser]

I just genuinely think they don't play their game.

Or if they do

They only play Ret

[edgy widget]

although Arms and Fury actually have a pretty comparable number of rotational buttons now

since Rend was added back into Fury (another very questionable decision)

[ashen geyser]

Rend on fury is nice but again, I just kinda wish they gave a reasoning for their decisions.

Transparency.

[edgy widget]

is it nice?

I can't think of a single nice thing about it

[ashen geyser]

Idk. It's funny to bleed everything and pad.

But I would like to know why.

[edgy widget]

For someone seemingly concerned with rotational bloat, it's curious that you'd like Rend when it has absolutely zero interaction with the rotation

actually stalls the rotation, since it doesn't generate rage

[ashen geyser]

I wasn't complaining about bloat per say I was more curious why bladestorm and avatar share a node.

And I think I'm not being clear enough to say that I would just like an explanation.

Obv I won't get one.

But it would be nice to have a "water cooler" type thing.

[edgy widget]

So the real reason is because something has to

• Bladestorm is pointless for Thane, and they obviously don't just want to have a dead node
• Ravager was removed alongside Roar to reduce cooldown bloat
• Odyn's Fury was paired with Bladestorm initially, but then they added a tier set that interacts with it, so that no longer works

[ashen geyser]

See, if a blizzard dev actually told me that I would've been more understanding so thank you.

And by told me I mean more like

"This is why we made this choice."

[edgy widget]

Avatar is the least invasive paring, since it really doesn't do anything by itself - it's just damage inflation that can always be tuned elsewhere
and it does make sense when considering that Thane is dependent on Avatar and Slayer is (conceptually) dependent on Bladestorm, to make them a hard choice

[flat river]

they should buff BS another 30%

so we can pick BS single target

[edgy widget]

BS is ahead on ST now, albeit perhaps not by as much as it should be

[ashen geyser]

Hopefully it gets better.

Maybe we'll get the "ret rework" and become braindead in 12.1

[edgy widget]

I sypmathize with this, I really do, but Blizz traditionally doesn't do a whole lot of detailed communication - that's a trend going all the way back to the original launch, they always had a very "we design and players figure it out" mentality

some specific devs have been better or even worse about it, but in general they don't do a whole lot of explanation

[ashen geyser]

Yes, but for some reason (maybe mandela or years of alcoholism) I remember Ghostcrawler and others being more transparent.

[edgy widget]

that's what I mean by some specific devs

[ashen geyser]

I was typing before I saw the second sentence.

[edgy widget]

GC didn't get too in depth with class stuff though, he was more game systems

Celestalon did a lot of class communication, but he also had a tendency to overshare, which is why they told him to stop and made a WarcraftDevs twitter account instead

[ashen geyser]

Isn't he the one who pushed for more streamlined and homogenized classes?

Cause he ended getting put to Hearthstone in Legion, right?

[edgy widget]

other devs have also gotten in trouble for sharing too much in community discords/etc, so a lot of them just don't do it

[edgy widget]

He was not responsible for any kind of streamlining and homogenization as far as I'm aware; he did move to Hearthstone, but that was his choice, he wasn't "pushed" there

[summer quail]

ghostcrawler left in MoP. i remember coz that's when i started playing

[ashen geyser]

I didn't mean pushed I just meant more he got moved over.

[edgy widget]

moving between teams is extremely common at Blizz

[ashen geyser]

This game is old enough to drink so

Information is dated and muddled.

[edgy widget]

players only hear a small snippet too, and they tend to associate everything they do hear with the few names they know

[ashen geyser]

Damnit Holinka

He's the reason we have this.

"He does PvP."

"Damnit Holinka."

[edgy widget]

worst thing they ever did with PvP was add it to this game

[fair cave]

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-eyes-white-guy-blinking-meme-what-huh-gif-26334322

must have been the wind

[ashen geyser]

Sir are you gasp someone's been murdered.

I'm going to find whoever did this.

[fair cave]

worst thing pve ever had was Theorycrafters to tell you what to play 🤬

[junior oyster]

You'd have just played ass without 'em, hush

Also, nobody makin you take sound advice lol

[edgy widget]

not actually wrong, but its also kind of unavoidable

someone is always going to try to figure out the best way to do something

[median umbra]

optimizations will always exist whether people point them out or not

[ashen geyser]

Isn't the game designed with meeting certain thresholds and the only way to meet those is to optimize?

Like when blizz designs a raid they obviously go "Okay they need to hit this mark to not enrage."

[edgy widget]

well yes, everything is designed with a threshold in mind - damage checks, enrage, stacking mechs, whatever

but they're generally far lower than people think

[median umbra]

my raid team can attest to that

:^)

[edgy widget]

outside of pushing content very early and undergeared, most optimization exists as a buffer to compensate for other failures, e.g. people who die

reality of most encounters is that if everyone just plays smartly, safely, and doesn't eat dirt, they'll succeed even with fall less output, but we all know that's not how it works in practice - people make mistakes, people tunnel, some people try so hard to optimize that they fall over backwards

so realistically no, you don't need everyone playing the best of everything to succeed - hypothetically if Fury were to be 10% behind Arms in a particular tier or encounter, it can still clear that content competitively, but perhaps not as safely if other things also happen to go wrong

[fair cave]

Do keep telling us what to play thogh

[sullen dove]

we sure will

[fair cave]

I only spoke to the warrior lord thogh

[sullen dove]

@hallow sphinx ?

[fair cave]

Thogh, those pvp claims leave me thinking I should start seeing my builds on Maxroll

[warm crag]

chatgpt

[sullen dove]

big fan

[olive wraith]

Joins discord then has problems with being told about optimizations

Take of all time

[sudden tusk]

https://giphy.com/gifs/deutschesroteskreuz-fan-ventilator-1xkefSWqFBCkWFy6Zr

[hallow sphinx]

[sudden tusk]

@sullen dove https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1471953189321445469/image.png?ex=6992203b&is=6990cebb&hm=8e6a8a333a7cf27ffa57edb8ced4b46bef8723f7d50c9d53433726f92d0550af&

[smoky vale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1259351556877324422.webp?size=48&animated=true&name=yapping&lossless=true

the warrior lord speaks

[brazen beacon]

My son started playing wow today

He chose a maghar warrior

[smoky vale]

gz

[earnest coral]

Silly question perhaps, but did Rampage this week stop being in the one button rotation and assisted highlight rotation? I swore it was before, but it's not lighting up today

[smoky vale]

no clue never used it before

[tall ruin]

found out what happened with arms nerfs... guess the dev went to director requesting buffs, since buried. nat 1 on his persuasion check. walked away with nerfs.

[arctic portal]

there is no devs. tuning is 100% random ai generated.

[tall ruin]

vibe balancing

[sullen dove]

make ts an emote

:pigio: or something

[smoky vale]

man

[sullen dove]

why is this a pile of dogshit now

[young swan]

giogoid (gio piggy humanoid)

[sullen dove]

gioid

[summer quail]

to force evoker players on aug. as blizz intended

disgusting spec

[covert blaze]

rip engulf

[sullen dove]

i didnt mind the loss of engulf as much when it was changed

was 2.5sec of fb consumed per disint tick and 10 sec per pyre

still had some hugeish burst potential

but wtf is 4 sec consumed per pyre

on a 28 second dot

[smoky vale]

:gioid:

:gio:

[unborn delta]

:57:

[smoky vale]

thats fire

im willing to accept the pig as :57:

[toxic grail]

On this chart, where would you place Fury? (personal project)
If hero specs differ majorly profile wise, please include elaboration

[flat river]

Fury burst? Don't make me laugh

[willow cradle]

It's not much but its not inexistant

Ramp tho

That we dont have any

[flat river]

What is ramp btw

[willow cradle]

like

[flat river]

I thought of rampage

[willow cradle]

ramping up

[flat river]

XD

[flat river]

Ohhh

I mean technically

We ramp haste and strength

But like

Barely anything

XD

[willow cradle]

No like

it means

Your damage ramps up

[flat river]

Sudden death for slayer ramps next bladestorm

[willow cradle]

We pretty much just do full damage from pull

Its nothing compared to some other classes

[flat river]

We don't have burst

[willow cradle]

I think Unholy is/was a good example

of ramp damage

[flat river]

Yeah

[willow cradle]

And while we dont burst giga crazy

[toxic grail]

so solidly at a 10% burst, 90% sustained?

thank you :3

[toxic grail]

@willow cradle sorry to bother but, hero specs dont change the damage profile at all, do they?

[willow cradle]

Not really

or at least in any sizable way

[toxic grail]

thank you

[smoky vale]

they do a bit

[dim lily]

yo guys can someone link me an current Talent build for dimensius myhtic?

[smoky vale]

can be found on wowhead

[novel oasis]

It’s mountains thane still the go to for m+?

[flat river]

Mountain thane is stronger

[dense elbow]

Always has been

[flat river]

But in my honest opinion

Slayer beats it

Because fun aspect

[novel oasis]

Forbids dam?

Boss damage?

[flat river]

Slayer stronger boss

Thane stronger adds

[dense elbow]

Tried ava Slayer yet?

[flat river]

Yeah but not in m+

[novel oasis]

Cause my cheeks are getting clapped by every class in 16s

[dense elbow]

I keep saying it is good in m+

[flat river]

In raid ST

[dense elbow]

More dam than BS

[flat river]

Actually?

[dense elbow]

Try it and see

[flat river]

But you get faster overwhelmed stacks

[novel oasis]

What’s the prio as a war when you hit recklessness is it bloodbath off cd regardless of ragingblow?

[dense elbow]

BT is always prio

Yep

[novel oasis]

So even regular Bloodthirst

[dense elbow]

BT is the button to press, yep

[novel oasis]

And that gets buffed by rampage. So you are trying to rampage then bloodthirst and when there’s nothing to press thunderclap or ww

[dense elbow]

Ya a Thane boii? On AoE you press clap, then BT to get clap

As Slayer, u buttons bad, so i bt

[novel oasis]

Only empowered clap or thunderclap off cd

[dense elbow]

Clap in either form

[novel oasis]

Man they hurt us

Seems like I’m doing the right stuff

And I’m like 20k dps overall behind the mage

[dense elbow]

Welcome to warrior, we usually always 15-5% behind

Only s3 was a bit different

We were, gasp, equal or ahead

still not meta tho

[novel oasis]

I mean I play a rogue so I feel that they should compete with mage or lock on the meters as a pure dps class

And that we bring little to none group utility

Warriors can tank

[dense elbow]

Rogue got utility value in dr%, shroud, stops for days and tons of tools

Wdum

[novel oasis]

Nobody once has asked me for a shroud in a 18

[dense elbow]

Not even in Priory?

[novel oasis]

Nope

[dense elbow]

Weird, the 1st pull shroud skip is super nice

[novel oasis]

Our cc cost us damage

Cheap shot no but kidney yes

Every class has an aoe stop

[dense elbow]

And warrior cc cost dps as well, wdum

Blind is an AoE stop

[novel oasis]

Yea I know

[dense elbow]

Weird that you dont know the shroud skips as a Rogue player tho

Would expect you to push em

[novel oasis]

I do what the tank wants my buddy asks me for them. But they aren’t required right

I mean people are timing 20s without em

Let me ask right now in your comp you would take me over an arcane mage?

[dense elbow]

Hm, maybe, all i know is the title Rogue i play with love making shroud skips. And they are efficient for sure

And sure, Fury warrior aint great with Arcane. Rather bring a DH for funnel

Problem is, who would bring a Fury

[novel oasis]

Sure

Those super melee compe

Fury shaman monk

[dense elbow]

Melee comp, brings hunter

Why call it melee comp

[novel oasis]

True hero

[dense elbow]

Always hurt my brain why ppl do so

It is a phy comp

Not melee

[novel oasis]

Phys yea

[dense elbow]

Arguably not even that, as DH, DK, Ret and Enh all love our shout

[novel oasis]

Shout rally cry interpose

Interpose

[dense elbow]

make monk buff 18%, create real phy comp meta, where warrior is hardlocked

[novel oasis]

The three button macro charge intervene and hamstring

[dense elbow]

Want to play warrior without a monk? Better delete your char

[dense elbow]

True and real, real and true

[novel oasis]

Or victory rush

That’s the goat

[dense elbow]

Pummel and heroic throw is ace

[novel oasis]

XD

Disgusting

[dense elbow]

Ya wont risk pressing pummel with anything else, so only thing that works

[novel oasis]

Stormbolt is a tree cast though kidney shot is not

Free

And shockwave generates rage blind does not give energy

And does our bleed act like a reduction still or is it just a dot

[smoky vale]

theres no way ava slayer is better funky

what are you saying

[dense elbow]

To ppl to try it for fun

It will suprise you how strong it is, I said this for ages now. Why you ask?

[smoky vale]

i mean its just slower in every way

having to build up overwhelmed with bt only is too slow

[dense elbow]

Oh no, not the 5% dam mod activating slowly

This aint s3 anymore

Either way, just try it, then hate on it if you must. It is just something silly to do in prepatch. By next expansion BS will surely be buffed so this wont be as a viable without a huge loss

[smoky vale]

surely

and i will not be playing m+

[dense elbow]

Why not? That is where reap the storm shines (far too much)

Surely you would love that

[smoky vale]

because the season is over

[dense elbow]

Fair, it is easy gold tho

[smoky vale]

so is boosting raid for 30m

[dense elbow]

Raid is only 30 min for a full clear atm?

Nice

[smoky vale]

do nk dimmy 2x

in out

[dense elbow]

Makes sense, guess ppl not stupid enough to pay for boots and shiet this late

(hopefully)

[smoky vale]

there probably are

[dense elbow]

[smoky vale]

but we've only been mount boosting

[shadow maple]

On my guild we sold more 6/8mm than mounts

[dense elbow]

[vernal mulch]

hey guys, im sure u get asked this a lot but is dslice accurate for fury? im looking up past answers to this question on this discord and i see people saying yes and no

[sullen tendon]

why did they advertise apex talents as a core expansion feature and then most of them are just passive damage increases

[plush zephyr]

You’ll get more of a “no” on DSlice than anything

I think there’s a few classes it might be supported but for the most part it’s just wrong

[dense elbow]

<@&257983573498265600>

[brittle crow]

six eighttttt

[olive jetty]

Heya, just wondered if patchwerk simming (3 mins 1 target and 1,5min 4 targets) still fine for m+ ? Or is it broken

(raidbots nightly)

[smoky vale]

1t 5m 5-xt 40s 5-xt 5m

[olive jetty]

Hm okay, is that more accurate ?

[smoky vale]

5m is better than 3m

[olive jetty]

Just asked, cause my outlaw/sub rogue are far behind in aoe damage compared to my warrior

[smoky vale]

i mean outlaw does 0 aoe past 8

fury does

[olive jetty]

👍

[echo rapids]

What a time to be alive

[potent thicket]

what ilvl would ya'll consider is ready for midnight

[brittle crow]

are u trying to optimize leveling ur first character or smth??

ur going to replace all ur gear with shitty heroic dungeon gear

who care

[potent thicket]

ah fair, wanted to get my alts at a somewhat ilvl to not get stomped by the release mobs difficulty

but ya're right

[brittle crow]

fury has some of the easiest non-tank leveling if u ask me

nothing to worry abt

[crude yew]

To do my best at a genuine answer (besides the sentiment above), I would say you'd probably need at least 80 or so to not struggle to kill initial mobs in the first zone you go to. I remember being quite low ilvl going into TWW (I think like 300 at the time because I didn't gear in DF) and getting off the beach where dalaran crashed was tricky

Just like... "don't be in leveling greens", ilvl 80 or so give or take 10

If you have even explorer tier gear from wqs you're geared enough lol

[vernal mulch]

so what do i sim? 5 target and 8 target? and for how long? cuz if i do 1 min trinkets like priory signet will sim higher than stone idol right? so do i do 1 min sims and 5 min sims on multiple targets?

[olive jetty]

Maybe an answer the other way around. Before tww start I had absolut max ilevel, and blasted everywhere. Items were replaced at the end of the leveling process.

[crude yew]

Yeah items always get replaced but they were asking what minimum ilvl they should have to not die to mobs in the first parts of midnight.

Of course the gear is irrelevant once you start getting quest rewards or whatever and hit level 81 and such

But to handle the starting area you need some ilvl just to not get stat checked

I didn't, going into TWW, and it sucked

[sullen dove]

yea might be a little rough, i think they are generally p generous with gear from questing so you should "catch up" in ilvl within a level or two hopefully

but the beginning stuff being slow might be annoying

[olive jetty]

Play a bit Twilight highlands, should be enough gear

[sullen dove]

o yea that prolly gives a good amount too

true

usually pre-exp events do help a lot with alt gearing

[sudden tusk]

I replaced just about all my gear once I got like 88

When I did leveling

[sullen dove]

yea the mythic gear is only replaced at the end

but coming from no gear quests start out good

probably normal/heroic ilvlish

[sudden tusk]

It's all so worthless none of it matters

Normal dungeon gear at max is like 200 smthon

[sullen tendon]

did blizzard say anything about adding more to apex talents

they are really fucking lazy right now

whats hte point of adding talents that you are going to take no matter what and all they do is increase passive damage

[smoky vale]

rough

[vernal mulch]

what does 5-xt mean? 5 target patchwerk?
so u dont use dslice at all?

[smoky vale]

x = any number that is not 5 up to 20

[vernal mulch]

ah gotcha

[smoky vale]

i dont do dungeon slice at all no

[vernal mulch]

ok

[smoky vale]

its mostly pointless

most times you are simming within variance

and most damage you gain in keys

[vernal mulch]

wdym by this?

[smoky vale]

is from gathering and doing massive packs

[vernal mulch]

huuh

lol

😅

[smoky vale]

when you do a sim there is an acceptable % in which the loss or gain is normal

what are you confused by

[vernal mulch]

yes i understand that, but what does this have to do with dslice being pointless? i dont disagree or anything, i just got a bit confused by that part

[smoky vale]

most of the time in keys

you are limited by killing a prio mob

the routes used in dslice may not be what you actually do in keys

[vernal mulch]

ohhh i see

[smoky vale]

and if you sim only st you are like 95% of the way there

probably more tbh

[vernal mulch]

hmm

yea i guess so, since the goal is to kill the prio mob while cleaving onto the other adds right? not just padding and inflating damage with mass aoe

havent really thought of it that way... is that specific to fury with the way whirlwind works?

[smoky vale]

no

thats core to doing high keys

and not every apl is optimized to dslice or dungeon route sims

[vernal mulch]

yea thats fair

does fury's stat prio or enchantments change at all between aoe and st?

there should be a certain breaking point where going all in on st is inefficient if i could be doing more damage to said surrounding adds with more of x stat or with x weapon enchant or smth?

[smoky vale]

crit starts to become more valued as target count increases and i think mastery? decreases

[vernal mulch]

yes, killing the prio target in a mob is important but the other guys also do have to die so how much more damage on the prio is worth sacrificing x amount of damage on the rest of the adds?

[vernal mulch]

i see

[smoky vale]

ideally you want everything to die at the same time always

but that doesnt happen all the time without optimization

[vernal mulch]

right

[smoky vale]

but the last thing you wanna be doing is hitting a prio mob alone

you cant make any progress otherwise

with small trash you can at least chain

[vernal mulch]

right

[dense elbow]

Just bring a funnel dam dealer, smh. Drop the Fury warrior, bring a DH, shaman or arcane mage instead

[sullen dove]

bro said funnel like anyone in the game does that to any degree that matters

and arcane about to get murdered psure

some yap about splinters being ass

[dense elbow]

I dunno, I love watching the prio target melt before the small ones die :v

Wonder if DH got the same ompfh of funnel, as they lost their tierset, hopefully it aint as extreme

[spark junco]

would anyone be able to take a look at the log i posted in the help/log review? am trying to learn how fury works but I can't seem to get my numbers up, if im not suppsoed to ask here just lmk and ill delet

[smoky vale]

they killed every funnel class

[dense elbow]

Just post it there, someone will likely take a short look and give some advice.

Honestly, I wouldnt worry about numbers in the prepatch

[smoky vale]

^

[dense elbow]

🙏

[smoky vale]

i can look

[spark junco]

thanks guys

[smoky vale]

but i wont be able to see much on phone

[spark junco]

anything helps!

[dense elbow]

Phone log breakdown is worst breakdown

Dont know why, logs just dont want to work right on my phones

[smoky vale]

funky can you do a quick sim

for me

i wanna see cpm

[dense elbow]

Sure, ya got a name in mind or?

[smoky vale]

just your character

and slayer st

[dense elbow]

Hm, armory got me in as prot. Guess I gotta log in, fbm

[smoky vale]

uh

do

spongiewarr

surely hes slayer

i think hes tarren mill

[dense elbow]

EU right?

[smoky vale]

yeah

[dense elbow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8bepqQJPQQ6UYc7gCTwHD1

enjoy

[olive wraith]

Numbers look not bad tbh. 1. Fight was over so quick so classes with 1.5min-1min burst are gonna out perform you regardless

[dense elbow]

Prob should keep the feedback in that thread

[sullen dove]

holy chopped

[dense elbow]

[jade quail]

Sorry, but why does it feel like I get so much less raging blows than last week? am I missing something? it feels so bad to play for me now :(

[dense elbow]

If you got the same talents, you should get just as many, cant say I noticed a lack of resets on my RB build runs

Tho, if you do the new talent setup, yeah, but also, you dont really press RB

[sullen dove]

rb did get nerfed if you picked new talents less of them help rb since its like rly bad now

[jade quail]

oh...

[sullen dove]

pretty much last resort filler should be hitting like every other button before it

including bt on cd

[jade quail]

I only play fury as a second char and dont really follow changes

[sullen dove]

yea its a bit of a random time for changes anyway

[dapper goblet]

We gotta do something about gio

[jade quail]

so bloodthirst is the way now?

[sullen dove]

but if u havent gotten new talents as of like 1 week ago rb should still be able to be hit the same amount of times, they'll just prolly do less dmg

[jade quail]

I see thanks

[sullen dove]

for now yea

wowhead should be updated if u want to get newer talents

[jade quail]

i did impoort them just before the raid ^^

[sullen dove]

yuh

[jade quail]

thanks

so no more rb spam ^^

[smoky vale]

https://tenor.com/view/geeked-locked-in-angry-bubu-red-bird-red-gif-13807202352659823415

[sullen dove]

nope

[jade quail]

got it

[sullen dove]

bt/exe way better

[jade quail]

oke

[sullen dove]

can still hit ofc if nothing else to hit just last prio

[jade quail]

ye

got it

[sullen dove]

retweet

[smoky vale]

i got a feeling xeos some kinda fanboy

[sullen dove]

you may be onto something

[chrome wraith]

Fury nerfs

What a great game

[dense elbow]

Look at it more like a dampening of how absurdly dominant reap was in the dam profile

Was nerfing the %chance the way? Nah
Nerfing the dam of reap a good thing? Yah

[chrome wraith]

We aren't even top 5

A nerf is a nerf

Good devs

[dense elbow]

Dont worry about balance in context of other classes/specs, that come later. Worry about the dam profile

[chrome wraith]

people have been saying this since alpha

[dense elbow]

cause they been right since alpha

[sullen dove]

cluegi

[junior gale]

I base my judgement on the first iteration of alpha

[undone flower]

I base my judgement on tierlists, we are not the same

[dense elbow]

I make tiktok tierlists, I am the danger

[junior gale]

Only the sloppiest of slop tier lists

[undone flower]

i weirdly like petko, don't judge me

[late lava]

i heard fury is getting lust

tbh no joke now, both lust and cr would thematically fit

[dense elbow]

you forgot about cleanse and, I forgot the 4th thing

ah

immunity

[next prism]

Why is the reccomended wowhead build for open world/delves not taking enraged regen? Seems like a way for new people to not have a fallback

[dense elbow]

probably cause the delve content we do, are so easy, we didnt even consider that idea. Or that the guide writers dont really do delves.

You can give some feedback on it tho, if you see it being required for delve content

[next prism]

Makes sense, I'm mainly looking at this from if someone was new to fury and just copy pasted the wowhead build

[eternal sundial]

Ping the guy and call him boosted

[dense elbow]

Fair, but as a generic build for this new player, I dont know if giving them additional buttons (even if effective) is the call. Might just be better off to just let them have as much passive power as possible to get through the content

[next prism]

Ah, that's fair. I can glance at the bar and know everything, didnt think of that

[dense elbow]

My personal take on this tho, is that Enraged Regen should be a mustpick in the tree, forced. So ppl learn that they got it and how it works as early as possible in their learning journey

Blizz gonna blizz tho, and made it optional

[vague stump]

you literally shouldnt be taking ER unless youre doing really high keys its too much of a dps loss to take it

even in high keys is very debatable if its worth taking over dmg

[haughty quest]

Is slayer really close in M+? I saw some people playing it. Wowhead recommends thane tho. Is it because slayer has better ST to bosses?

[olive wraith]

They’re close. And yes slayer has better st

[slim coral]

might as well get use to it because you can't really take ER in aoe atm

[slim coral]

it's close enough that if you prefer slayer you can play that

[lost thorn]

are we all doomed for the next 2 seasons again?

[dim spindle]

The human species? Oh yeah we're fucked. Fury? Naww

[lost thorn]

did you just assume my species?

[dim spindle]

I wouldn't even worry about it until we see how the nerfed classes shake out this next week

[dim spindle]

omg, I'm so sorry... i didn't mean...

[lost thorn]

it's fine

[dim spindle]

I fully respect and value the species you have chosen to identify with, just ftr

[lost thorn]

thank you

[slim coral]

its hard to say as tuning is not usuaully finished until season 1 starts

even then tuning still happens after season start

[dim spindle]

Dooming is kinda fun though so absolutely feel free if that's your desire

Then your happy chemicals can go up if/when the doom turns out to be unfounded

Wait a week for the next batch of doom, repeat

If blizz is good at anything, it's inducing doom in it's customers

[echo rapids]

I’ve heard it said that gamblers are not chasing the rush of winning but the rush of losing. Maybe this is similar

[dim spindle]

That's more in line with the Arms channel

Bunch of masochists over there

Can confirm the rush of losing (from gambling) is pretty intense. Do not recommend

[dense elbow]

yes

[lost thorn]

I knew it

[hybrid yew]

question about bloodthirst/raging blow leading up to midnight now after the changes....is bloodthirst now stronger and worth putting talents into for damage and focus on it instead of raging blow now? or is raging blow and focusing talents on RB still better

[young swan]

BT betta

if u want detailed builds, check out wowhead's talent calc

[hybrid yew]

👍 not used to bloodthirst actually doing something

[smoky vale]

it did something in df...

[austere copper]

So uhhh... are we seriously using Avatar over Bladestorm and ignoring about half of our hero talents for Slayer? This is goofy as hell.

[olive wraith]

Only for st

[winter shoal]

🙂

Very good design blizzard thank you

[junior oyster]

only for prepatch right?

[summer quail]

yes

[junior oyster]

then who cares lol

[winter shoal]

🙂

Surely

[summer quail]

archi confirmed it earlier today

[winter shoal]

Oh my apologies I've been touching grass

[frank dawn]

Your flagship ability just barely being the correct choice even with 5 hero talents buffing it is still not ok imo

[hybrid yew]

is Bladestorm better for singletarget? or still Avatar, since the buff

[stoic kindle]

the game is balanced around max level content, what do you expect?

[storm lantern]

Avatar is still better on pre-patch, weirdly enough

[storm lantern]

And yet blizzard keeps balancing the pre-patch

[stoic kindle]

well everyone knows blizzard doesnt listen to beta feedback and just waits for people to test stuff in prepatch

[olive wraith]

Go up half a screen

[hybrid yew]

i saw after i typed 🤦‍♂️

[lost thorn]

we still got 1 month left of perfectly good doomin time

[frank dawn]

And at max level Bladestorm is just barely better than Avatar. Is that not what I said?

[stoic kindle]

no, you said with 5 hero talents

[olive wraith]

Think they meant 5 hero talents directly benefitting bs

[frank dawn]

Yeah, but sure it wasn’t perfectly clear.

[sullen dove]

why arent logs partitioned for 2nd prepatch

shits cringe

im def owning but its only like an 87 cuz its still counting the dps from the last 4 weeks

[untold heart]

When playing MT in keys, My avatar/ reck have 10 secs left when OF is off CD.

Should I save OF for when avatar/reck are off cd, it usually only 2 rampages off.

or blow the OF on CD?

[heady cobalt]

I've just been sending it in prep for our tier set in S1 since it sill be of CD much quicker

[lean heart]

ffs

[worldly dune]

I have a question. I am trying to help a Fury friend figure out why his damage is so low and have identified through logs that he has more Avatar casts than Recklessness casts, but he has both macroed to the same button, what could be causing this?

[worldly dune]

Oh, Avatar of the Storms counts as Avatar in logs I guess, huh?

[smoky vale]

is your friend pressing their buttons on cd

wasting tb charges

no ww

[crude yew]

Might be counting the short 6 sec avatars thane gets as casts of avatar

The CDs themselves perfectly sync even with AM talented so they can be macroed together just fine.

[stoic kindle]

yes, that what you can currently do

[olive wraith]

I think you’re missing the point

Artunias was saying bladestorm should be clearly better since it has 5 talents buffing it from the hero tree. Avatar has 0 as slayer

[verbal steppe]

So in the new thane build ww is beeing used by another skill? Or i should press some wws here and there

[olive wraith]

As thane clap =ww

[verbal steppe]

I see

[verbal steppe]

So i shouldnt use ww anymore, but i see the buff cd somewhere?

[olive wraith]

Thane never used ww

[verbal steppe]

From clap

[olive wraith]

Clap=ww as thane

Remove ww from bars

[brittle crow]

who up at 3am im going to wawa do u want anything

[proud moat]

How’s fury? I think it feels fun to play just no idea on how goood it is

[vernal mulch]

for the ST rotation for MT, since it doesnt specify to use rampage at above 115 rage, does that mean we should be slamming rampage whenever available?

[sour frigate]

Everything but dk and wlock is shit

🫳
🔮

[vernal mulch]

this is how its written on the MT rotation priority

[tropic wasp]

when reckless, my prio is bloodbath and rampage? im hard stuck to aoe

[vernal mulch]

also, for aoe, how important is it to send thunder blast and bloodthirst when theyre available even if i am rage capped

[crude yew]

@vernal mulch An important thing to understand is that you don't need to cast rampage unless you're not enraged (buff fell off) or you're capped out on rage. When you're already enraged and don't have max rage, you don't actually need to rampage. Anywhere from "you can cast ramp" to "you have max rage" is like a "bank" of rage that you can spend as necessary, because as long as you spend before you cap, your total number of possible ramp casts stays the same (no resources are wasted).

If you've got a TBlast proc and are capped on rage, you'd rampage first. It's important to never overcap rage and waste it.

As a rule of thumb in fact across all specs, if you're ever in a state where your resource (rage, astral power, whatever) is capped, it's virtually always a "drop whatever you're doing and spend" situation

[warm crag]

does the priority not answer your question? the if you're going from top to bottom the first line that mentions a rage threshold to rampage is #8 so you dont care abt rage amt for any button above that, including thunder blast and bloodbath/bloodthirst

[honest trail]

Trying Noxiv's Slayer build in M+

It does own

[vernal mulch]

gotcha. thanks

[vernal mulch]

sooo ur saying send thunderblast or bloodthirst even when capped

[warm crag]

what the fuck @solemn plover

[warm crag]

yeah if the prio list implies this then yea

[crude yew]

Overcapping rage (and thus wasting it) is never correct.

[solemn plover]

fake

[warm crag]

it is if pressing buttons that do damage is better than generating another rampage

[covert blaze]

herreal

[warm crag]

if wowhead is accurate on this and i have no reason to assume its not, then wasting rage is better than trying to play into cdr with the current prepatch iteration

[crude yew]

There's no reason to immediately TBlast when you could delay it for a global to get rid of your rage first. Then you spend the TB and get the rage from it.

It's "cost to delay a global" that I'm talking about. Cost is greater (wasted rage) to use TB first than to use ramp first

[warm crag]

idk go write a sim with reversed priorities and show me that delaying TB for "more efficient" rage management is better until then you're just saying things

[crude yew]

You don't need a sim to apply basic logic lol

[covert blaze]

spongie57 obliterates liberal with facts and logic

[crude yew]

Think about it, read this again

[warm crag]

its pretty easy it should take 5 minutes for you to set this up

if not less

[warm crag]

why do you have this saved btw

[covert blaze]

why not

[warm crag]

evil

[vernal mulch]

do i want to always tb and bt while enraged? it doesnt specify

[warm crag]

if you're not enraged your immediate priority is to get enraged

[vernal mulch]

kk

[warm crag]

normally if you're in combat you shouldnt have to care about enrage at all

[vernal mulch]

maybe in practice i do need to spend that rage cuz enrage will run out

[vernal mulch]

hmmm

[warm crag]

pressing your buttons will keep you naturally enraged esp with bloodthirst being such a good button to press and extends your enrage

[vernal mulch]

the cooldown of bt and tb/tc are so short i can see me not ending up rampaging for a while

[warm crag]

i dont think a tb -> bt -> tb reset is possible idk not touched thane in months

you do end up ramping a lot though youre not burning hundreds of rage for no reason

[vernal mulch]

ill have to see in practice
im probably overthinking it but when i do consider the prio list i find the rotation a bit complex

[warm crag]

eh i mean its really not that bad you just press your cds and procs on cd then you press bt then ramp and hten whatever else

[vernal mulch]

theres like 1 maybe 2 globals in between i think

[vernal mulch]

kk

[honest trail]

Also don't learn a wrong rotation before Apex come in

Rampage will be much higher prio with it

Altho it will play about the same in practice

[crude yew]

That's also my thinking. Ramp becomes even more important than spending that TB.

The TB will do more damage when you have the strength bonus from the apex from ramping first

[vernal mulch]

oh, right lmfao

rotations gonna change again in a few weeks smhhh

[warm crag]

still vaguely valuable to learn the core ideas of the rotation

or just come back in march

[vernal mulch]

its kinda hard for me to track what my enrage uptime is while in combat in a key or smth so im not 100% sure, but its interesting that one guy seemed pretty adamant about sending CDs even if ragecapped

[warm crag]

can see enrage uptime in logs dunno if details/ingame damage meter has the functionality for that

[vernal mulch]

ik in practice for most classes you spend if capped but teeechnically the prio list seems to say otherwise

makes me think

[crude yew]

Tracking enrage can be done with the CDM, you can make it a bar so it's really easy to see.

As for why they're so hell bent on it being right to TB even if capped, they're just trusting the wowhead prio

[vernal mulch]

yea i have it visible to the side but i havent exactly been focusing on that during dungeons. maybe ill have to see tmr

did archdemitrios write the sim for fury as well?

[crude yew]

"Sim it or you're saying things" is valid sure but it's also just logic being applied. Even if the sims say "yeah just waste rage" I would say "blizz should fix that because that goes against the logic of every other build/spend spec in the game"

[warm crag]

im sure whoever is maintainign the apl has checked whether you use rage efficiently or just press buttons that do damage

[vernal mulch]

also means i should be sending recklessness and odins fury as well if theyre off CD and im alr enraged

[warm crag]

you're playing a cdr spec you want to press your cds on cd

[vernal mulch]

im gonna have to get used to that lol

overcapping primary resource feels so wrong to me lol

[warm crag]

why? every other spec in the game also wants to press their cds on cd

oh you mean the resource overcap thing

[crude yew]

Well some might want to delay some things to align better

But only up to X seconds or whatever

[warm crag]

yeah idk there have been a decent amount of fury iterations that would just spam crushing blow over ramp

[vernal mulch]

ive played ret tww s2 and arcane tww s3 and iirc ret held wake just a little bit to be efficient with hp and arcane holds cds much longer to line them up if need be

[warm crag]

fair

[vernal mulch]

so in terms of ret to fury it seems quite different

[crude yew]

What's different about fury (and what spongie means by cdr spec) is that spending rage reduces the cd of ava/reckless, so any holding of CDs is a waste (you're munching the CDR that anger management is giving you)

[vernal mulch]

also MT's ST and AOE prio being ever so slightly different throws me tf off lmao

[vernal mulch]

gotcha

if ur CDs just came up but im capped, should i send CDs or wait like 2 gcds for efficiency

[crude yew]

You should generally just not be capped. It's not a state you should be in often

Ideally you ramp before you get to cap because you have some passive sources of rage that just happen and can overcap you

If you are capped with CDs up I would send a cheeky ramp before using CDs, myself. But of course, "yoU neeD to Sim EverYthinG!11"

Just again to avoid wasting rage (since using odyn's or whatever gens rage immediately)

[sullen dove]

lul

[smoky vale]

/iwt

[gleaming siren]

I am correct about Warrior, you are incorrect. I do not care about simulations as they cannot begin to model the world as accurately as my vast intellect can. Please direct any complaints about your wrong opinion towards @oblique trail.

[oblique trail]

Please direct any complaints about your right and wrong opinions towards @clever belfry

[clever belfry]

this is not my fault u yellow stained man

[oblique trail]

You are also yellow stained

[dense elbow]

Fury chat

[vernal mulch]

what is going on 🤣🤣

[smoky vale]

I am correct about Warrior, you are incorrect. I do not care about simulations as they cannot begin to model the world as accurately as my vast intellect can. Please direct any complaints about your wrong opinion towards @oblique trail.

[clever belfry]

ive had more time to clean myself banezi

[dusky moon]

This is why you get timed out in so many discords

[oblique trail]

once stained always stained

[coarse nest]

Great copy paste with banezi yellow again

[smoky vale]

when have i ever been timed out

i never break rules

[dusky moon]

Hmm

[unborn delta]

so this week we dont click raging blow anymore 😔

[young swan]

exactly

finally

[unborn delta]

wrecking throw is higher prio then it now insane

[young swan]

so is rend

[unborn delta]

its going in the voyeur chair on my bars

the c word is banned in here

[dim spindle]

I must ask... what's the c* chair

[fading sky]

I mean rb is a filler

As its designed 2 be

[dim spindle]

I mean I know what it is, but not how it relates to action bars

[unborn delta]

like that ability is gonna hae to sit and watch the other buttons get pressed

from the side

[dim spindle]

Ahh, gotcha lol

Poor raging blow 🙁

Straight up being bullied by Blizz

[coarse nest]

Surely only to refresh the dot

[unborn delta]

total dmg of rend over the hit + dot is like 60% higher than the dmg from RB

wrecking throw is like 2 RBs

so u press those morely then it

i just hit a dummy for a bit thoguh and i still need to press rb sometimes so it will stay on the bar

[coarse nest]

Arms week
blessed

[unborn delta]

i specced arms and my sword was healing the dummy somehow i think its bugged

[coarse nest]

🤣 mortal stitching

[unborn delta]

actualy though idk how to play arms

i keep running out of rage and chargeweaving on this dummy

or is that normal

during execute

tbh it doesnt feel that bad

if you do 2 in a row

because you get the movespeed from the first charge

[coarse nest]

Rage economy is fkd for arms no doubt

[plush zephyr]

Arms is dead to me

[tardy sleet]

how do i find talent builds for fury/prot thats been updated after wednesday?

[plush zephyr]

WoWhead will be updated accordingly

[tardy sleet]

i cant import from wlogs since they havent been refreshed since feb 9'

wowhead ones using slayer but not using bladestorm?

[radiant plank]

yeah

[plush zephyr]

yep

Everything’s wonky atm.

[tardy sleet]

so anybody have a link for a raid buid?

[plush zephyr]

Just use the one on wowhead, everything is Mickey Mouse content right now anyway

[tardy sleet]

so using bladestorm build but actually selecting avatar?

[plush zephyr]

At the moment, that’s the best st build.

[tardy sleet]

blizzard is so fucking stupid

[plush zephyr]

Going to have more tuning, and tier set, things will be diff in midnight

I mean. It’s on you playing pre patch. Could just be like me and unsub till midnight and be happy.

Pre patch is always disgusting.

[tardy sleet]

well, im boosting my ass off with myth dimmy

and prepping chars for midnight

[real cape]

Yuh. Dartboard tuning.

[uncut sphinx]

what do i drop for improved whirlwind

thats not enraged regen

kinda dogshit spec tree that you need to dps loss to talent your main defensive btw

[junior gale]

Not like you need it for most content

[uncut sphinx]

... i want my main defensive for most content

what

[junior gale]

Fury already insanely tanky with passive DR, extra HP, SR and Dstance with the new talent is op af

Like you legit don't really need ER

Still dogshit talent design tho will agree

Just not a big deal

[uncut sphinx]

ok

but if i want ER

and whirlwind

what do i drop

[junior gale]

Is it really that hard to figure out? Next choice would be the passive DR unless you want to lose dmg

[sullen dove]

yo whats randomly applying rend to shit

is slayers strike doin sum

[uncut sphinx]

yeah i dont really play warrior that much and they just reset the talents on like all 7 classes i play so its hard to keep up on all the changes at once.

just want to know whats the least damage loss to play a defensive if i need improved whirlwind :)

id rather lose 2% dam than have the 10% dr gone

[junior gale]

Well looking at the tree your only other option is dropping focus in chaos but that's gonna be more than a 2% DPS loss

[slender glen]

Hello, I just started playing Thane. The rotation feels kinda... incomplete? I'm not hitting Raging Blow unless I'm in Recklessness or if there's nothing else to press. Does anyone else feel that way?

[inner zinc]

Why not Massacre?

[junior gale]

Massacre could be a decent drop. Was only really looking at the first row. I'm not a fury expert right now so idk how much each talent point is worth in dmg right now just a general idea

[young swan]

u would know better than I

[sullen dove]

cluegi

@sudden tusk it is done

[junior oyster]

thats just how thane feels

[sullen dove]

thats fury period atm

raging blow is ass

neither spec hits it if they can help it

[junior oyster]

= butt

[slender glen]

I see, thanks

[olive wraith]

Rb is one of our lowest fillers

[dim spindle]

heroic throw meta incoming if RB catches 1 more stray

Javelineer now reduces CD of heroic throw by 6 seconds and increases damage by 10%. Meta.

[smoky vale]

you already press wrecking above raging

[smoky vale]

i know

more so saying we not far from it

[dense elbow]

What if, that was the meta, we become like survival - and we start running out of melee to heroic throw

[smoky vale]

melee weaving

🙂

leap throw charge bt ramp run out

[dense elbow]

"when you heroic throw, reset the CD on charge"

[smoky vale]

peak

[sudden tusk]

woooo

[dim spindle]

heroic throw is ranged only? TIL

Makes sense but I suppose I never even considered or tested it

Needs to be melee to be meta. Guess we'll have to "throw" (hahahehe) that into Javelineer, too

[dense elbow]

This do be why having pummel and throw on the same button bind work

[brittle crow]

guys

I'm a genius

ive learned the ways from a ffxiv player and used action bars to put ui icons where i want them

way better than the utility bar in the cdm

am i the last person to discover this

[sullen dove]

[smoky vale]

did my call wake u up

[brittle crow]

yea

[drowsy heron]

ayo, they updated iWW to be able to sync width with the cooldown bar!!!

[brittle crow]

but can it be moved in edit mode yet

[sudden tusk]

was it 12 you owned

[sullen dove]

lol

good one

[floral frigate]

ara 12 that look right?

[sudden tusk]

:pigio:

[blazing acorn]

Why are night elf the best race for m+?

[sudden tusk]

you can break mechanics or casts with shadowmeld

there are other better strait dps races tho

[blazing acorn]

Thanks
does it make sense to change the race from human to elf?

[sudden tusk]

not really

unless you are trying to push like rank 1 keys most choices are fractions of a %

[summer quail]

are you gonna push for title? if not no. also dwarf is sometimes better than nelf, depending on season. meld vs stoneform always depends on season

[blazing acorn]

👍
don't want to be on top, but I want something nice.)
human ability is almost not needed

[summer quail]

meld is very nice

even just for dropping aggro

[pearl sequoia]

melds just a great quality of life button to when ur stuck in combat for some reason and cant mount up to fly away

[sick cave]

hey guys im just coming back to the game is fury supposed to use rend?

[vernal jungle]

any of our current top Trinkets end up imbalanced and OP in pre-patch, even if it's just for a little bit, I'd love to know

[olive wraith]

Human becomes one of the higher dps races in the later seasons. And racial almost always has at least one niche use per season

I personally wouldn’t race change cause I’m cheap. But up to you

[sullen dove]

Occasionally on st and think bit more often on aoe

atm raging blow is complete donkey you pmuch always want to be hitting bt/exe/ramp before rb and even apply rend on st before hitting rb

[static bolt]

So i see this talent setup up for ST on logs, but i can't import. (it is taken from prepatch logs) .

Can anyone help?

[compact knot]

these are outdated and wcl doesnt show the new talents

check #updates-midnight

click wowhead talent calculator and itll lead you to all the talent pages for fury

[static bolt]

Wonderful. xD. I'm not a warrior at all, just trying to solve this for a friend. Thanks a lot.

[cobalt relic]

all gg

[sudden tusk]

@sullen dove

[wild mural]

As arms seems to be completely doomed, where does fury currently stack up?

[steady sierra]

Is the Rts trigger from SD (100%) live yet?

[sudden tusk]

ya

[steady sierra]

It is bugging for me

[sudden tusk]

are you using the old build where raep isnt specced

it has to be specced in the tree

[steady sierra]

lemme check

Ah yes, ty

[sudden tusk]

yar

[indigo arch]

Middle of pack/vaguely good but not meta as always

[wild mural]

Gotcha

[gleaming siren]

@warm crag is my meta

[warm crag]

Hi

[gleaming siren]

Sponge I just had j*b interview

I hope I get this (I won't)

[sudden tusk]

i am a bebop overlord spungus

i beleive in shmider

[junior gale]

[fossil orbit]

Seriously, shouldnt we be seeing changes for Slayer soon? We cant really be playing with the same talents and almost the same rotation as thane.

Peronally, i dont necessarily need to see any dps buffs (maybe a bit of ST if we’r allowed to ask), but its more about the actual playstyle im thinking about.

Or does it acually feels good at lvl 90? Havent played the beta

[deft palm]

i think its just a lvl 80 thing

we play differently at lvl 90 i think

[sudden tusk]

Ill be honest i wouldnt expect much

[halcyon idol]

What the

[sudden tusk]

with new expansions new UIs rebuilt rotations and talents i wouldnt expect to see any real change until raid tuning

[halcyon idol]

Why not?

[sudden tusk]

just glad we arent so strong that we will get mashed into the ground like ansurek again

there may be like residual stuff, but with the expansion launching in less then 2 weeks, raid being out soon from that

having a dataset to work off of at relevent max level content is valueable information to have

esp when people who wana parse super hard try to optomize everything early on they can generally trust "most" high end logs

since i doubt they actually do raid dps testing like the top end guys

[halcyon idol]

Hmmm...

[undone flower]

Empirical data is mostly what Blizz use for tuning, it’s not like they are lot of alternatives

[drowsy heron]

yea most likely wont be getting much other than slight numbers tweak, and even that probably wont happen til raid week

[delicate rock]

Fury seems fine, you dont want to be S tier in the first week weeks anyway

[honest trail]

Rend for Slayer is the only real big issue having to press it

Otherwise it's more than fine

[heavy dock]

would it be good if they made rend be applied by reap the storm

[inner zinc]

Either that or WW

[subtle lagoon]

ww is a shit ability only there to activate cleave might as well make it apply rend similar to how clap applies rend and cleave

[south kayak]

WW does a decent amount of damage

It's not shit anymore

[subtle lagoon]

I guess with meat cleaver, sure

[inner zinc]

Slayer dont play meat cleaver i believe

But yeah WW been buffed a lot. Its not TC levels of dmg but its no longer a dead gcd that only gives Imp WW

[dense elbow]

No way Slayer wont play MC

[undone flower]

No way slayer

[dense elbow]

https://media.tenor.com/CbdUc0S_Xx8AAAAm/n6a-cat.webp

[drowsy heron]

Slayer plays meat cleaver for aoe

[mint obsidian]

fury looking good rn?

[main gyro]

🕯️

[mint obsidian]

ded?

cant decide what plate to roll :/

[junior oyster]

you seem like you'd love ret

do that

[warm crag]

idk fury doesnt look horrid from what ive seen and balance concerns are equivalent to gleaning into the 🔮

[mint obsidian]

i mostly meant about the design choices they made, lookin good or meh?

i mained ret end of the current expansion, i dont like ret thaaaat much tbh

[warm crag]

well what content do you care about

[mint obsidian]

raiding

[warm crag]

raid you'll always have a raid spot because you need a brown class

[mint obsidian]

m+ i also like

we lookin good in m+?

[warm crag]

you will never look good in m+ as a melee class

you're certainly viable but there have been very rare exceptions a melee class is part of the m+ meta

[mint obsidian]

why?

[junior oyster]

how hard do you go in M+ lol

If you just hit 3k and chill, you'll be just fine

[mint obsidian]

people are biased and pick meta classes no matter what

meta classes = prio for invites

[warm crag]

cause ranged specs just bring better kits for m+ at the top top end, if you aren't interested in timing the worlds highest keys you can literally bring whatever class you want and time it fine

realistically for your purposes you should just pick a class you think is fun and play it

[mint obsidian]

yeah

[haughty carbon]

M+ gonna be tough for war this season i guess

[mint obsidian]

really?

i heard monk is guud

[haughty carbon]

Spongie explains it very well

Y, if u have a team is gonna be okay but in pu im afraid

if u want play m+ hard, just find a premade who play well

and tag ur key and made comp cac

[mint obsidian]

war tank gud?

[warm crag]

my man you're caring about this too much for your level of play

[high sedge]

mogged by user Spongie57

[warm crag]

if all you want is quick invites come back 2 weeks after the season starts and reroll whatever the fotm spec is, but you'll be competing with everyone else who did that so it won't be quick invites after all

[haughty carbon]

war tank seem pretty good

[haughty carbon]

yes that it xD

reroll magus arcan day 1 to be sure

[mint obsidian]

yeah makes sense

[haughty carbon]

if u played S3, rio can help u for midnight

[dim spindle]

Warrior is fine. (insert dog chilling in the middle of a room on fire meme)

No but really... it is

Just going by the rather heavy nerfs to the "meta" classes atm we'll be pretty up there. But I could be wrong, wouldn't be the first time

But as others say every day... really pointless worrying about it right now

Caveat - Arms... not fine

[compact knot]

Fury will be alright

[dim spindle]

But again... for all we know, Arms could skyrocket to #1 in one day of changes

Depends on where the darts land in Blizzard HQ

[compact knot]

After the nerf they just did they thought arms already was super strong

Which it was definitely not, I wouldn't wait for arms to get massively buffed lol.

[dim spindle]

Yeah probably not. Never been into Arms but I feel for our brothers in arms

If you want your daily dose of doom injected straight into your brain, visit the arms channel. Many caskets being carried to be had

Arms-beta channel for maximum casket

[livid arch]

Last tuning changes we might see is week of launch, then probably nothing till after the race or the week of race. Does that sound about right?

[dim spindle]

Sure, why not

Unless we do too well in heroics, ofc

[livid arch]

Shhhhh. We should agree to all just sandbag for a few weeks

I actually feel really good about where we are going into the expac

[dim spindle]

Replace bloodthirst with raging blow for heroic week

Just remove BT from bars

BT will cause nothing but harm for the community. Do NOT pick up raging blow talents, however. This is key

[warm crag]

latest theyve ever done balance changes was 1 week after raid release iirc

up until then you should not be making value judgements on specs based on performance alone

[livid arch]

I don’t plan on it. Warrior will always be my main, I’ll wait till like wk 6 to pick an alt

Pick any decent performing spec with good utility to play as an alt.

[undone flower]

to play meta you need to prepare like 3 potential char and gear them the first few weeks until meta is settled

you can't just play 1 char and bet it's that class time if you are that into playing meta

[lunar oracle]

question.. seens singleminded fury talents gone can i flip back to fury loot spec? or one handeers still dropping for fury on beta?

[brittle crow]

u can fury lootspec now

[lunar oracle]

ye cools o7

[livid arch]

lol. Finally get to switch off arms

[woven valley]

https://tenor.com/view/leon-kennedy-leon-s-kennedy-resident-evil-4-backflip-backflip-over-lasers-gif-3661668619119457805

[dapper snow]

Naw

That's as slayer anyways

Halls 12

I was told slayer was garbage during pre patch but it's ripping in both BGs and keys if you play the right talents and understand the way that the playstyle has changed

raging blow is dead tho unfortunately. fun button to press

[rare garnet]

Careful with that shit or they’re gonna kick you down the stairs to arms

[dapper snow]

So far all they doing is that lil 5% reap the storm proc chance to bloodthirst which is a lil baby nerf

When I seen "reap the storm has a 100% chance to proc from sudden death" i said man that's gonna be disgusting I'm actually shocked they introduced that to the game

[livid arch]

lol hopefully you got paid for that carry

[dapper snow]

Those are my guildies lol I do it for the love of my brothers/sisters in arms

[livid arch]

Same lol. I’ve been helping guildies get their teleport

[dapper snow]

That's the ticket right there

Could I still push IO and bang my head on the keyboard ? Probably, but I'm retired man I don't care anymore. Rather help a friend honestly

[rare garnet]

Sometimes I pug normal just to give back. It’s always eye opening.

[rare garnet]

Halls 12s are so fun.