fury

[turbid bay]

thats so rubbish that it is still the case

[bitter palm]

they can just put ava and bs on hero trees

[coarse nest]

Isn’t it true that BS is still solid starting at 2 targets?

[digital ore]

Yeah I'm guessing AoE BS pulls over?

[bitter palm]

without polluting the spec trees

[remote bobcat]

ye

[smoky vale]

yes

[bitter palm]

bro putting ava and bs on the spec tree

is like putting demolish and bladestorm on the arms tree

[digital ore]

I'll try it on some Dimi pulls, see how it goes

[turbid bay]

yeah dogshit decision

[bitter palm]

????? makes no sense at all

[mossy pelican]

Play bs on dimi i dare you

[bitter palm]

are u warrioring in midnight

[smoky vale]

i will play red brown and flex m+

[bitter palm]

arms is gonna be op

in keys

[smoky vale]

if i have a team and we play full meta

i will be rerolling like a piggy

er

sheep

[remote bobcat]

fun fact if ur playing with lots of bozos then you can actually go the critcake route and play thane

on dimmy

[coarse nest]

Demolish owns

[smoky vale]

🐑

[smoky vale]

[bitter palm]

i can guarantee u

they will forget to nerf cleave

[remote bobcat]

bro actually said "fuck all of you imposters"

[bitter palm]

cleave is absurd

[smoky vale]

and then we get nuked or

[bitter palm]

in s2 ye

[smoky vale]

whats the arms cook

[mossy pelican]

Bro put on the df enchants

[digital ore]

Fucking pressing Rend as Fury 💀

Who came up with this shit

I thought they wanted to reduce debuff tracking?

[bitter palm]

wait for ms buff in week 1

st is absolutely

[smoky vale]

and if it neevr arrives ?

[bitter palm]

abysmal

[bitter palm]

thane fury

[coarse nest]

Buff MS and execute

[bitter palm]

xaaxaax

[coarse nest]

🙏

[remote bobcat]

we dont press it as thane cuz tclap applies it and you don't really need to press it as slayer even tho its above raging blow

its just not that important

minimal gain

[smoky vale]

revert execute giving cm

🙏

[bitter palm]

remove cm

🙏

fuck ass buff

[smoky vale]

rhat too

kill arms

[remote bobcat]

what was cm again?

[smoky vale]

🙏

[coarse nest]

Un talent rend and pick something that might be useful

[bitter palm]

make demolish apply cs/demo shout

[digital ore]

I can't heart react you for that one Kronzo but ty

[smoky vale]

holy

[bitter palm]

colossal might

idk if thats sarcasm

[remote bobcat]

o yea

fuck cm

[bitter palm]

cause people genuinely dont know what it is

[remote bobcat]

remove that shit

[coarse nest]

Brain large Hollyy

[bitter palm]

and i dont blame them

[vale solar]

Fury feels so odd now

[smoky vale]

okay bye bye

[remote bobcat]

nah i just havent armsed for an entire season

[bitter palm]

eepy

isnt it like 6 am for u gng

or something

[bitter palm]

gg

one day...

arms ownage...

[remote bobcat]

i played minecraft instead

[bitter palm]

thingamajig competition

bro those modpacks where u start with 85 books

[remote bobcat]

i won't lie i like arms a fair bit, it's just kinda awkward at times

[bitter palm]

i cant

[fringe vale]

Based

[remote bobcat]

i hate those

[digital ore]

Making a space station to launch your orbital rockets from in MC tho

[remote bobcat]

this is skyfactory 4 u start with achievement book

thats it

[bitter palm]

idk i dont like how slayer and colo play the same

at least in tww u played a bit differently

[remote bobcat]

i feel that

[bitter palm]

colo plays like slayer but u starve??

its so stupid

one day they realize exe cant cost 40 🙏

[fringe vale]

Bro i felt like a drug addict going through withdrawal using the bt build yesterday

Im so used to rb

[remote bobcat]

real.

[smoky vale]

10...

[bitter palm]

gg

ily gio five seven good night

[fringe vale]

Also is it just me doing bad or was our dmg compared to last week like reduced?

[smoky vale]

i have to go to class

i slept 2 hours

been for up 8?

[bitter palm]

axaxxa mega cooked

[smoky vale]

nah 1 hour and i go sleep

[digital ore]

This saddens me greatly...

[remote bobcat]

[digital ore]

But on paper it's such a dogshit defensive

1.8m 30% dr

[remote bobcat]

what?! you dont like losing dps to take your mediocre defensive ?!

[digital ore]

Yeah exactly, it's so bad it's not even worth picking up anymore lmao

[fringe vale]

Real

[smoky vale]

why it has no impact

[bitter palm]

the only reason u dont have to take it is cause fury is so overloaded defensively

that other classes will die through their walls before u start dying through passive defensives

[thick fossil]

The name that should not be named! Lol

[fringe vale]

It is still a og staple warrior skill

That now got gated

[bitter palm]

i mean its such a 0iq change from blizz its insane

[smoky vale]

but it has 0 impact

[digital ore]

This being a thing is also crazy to me. Do they not think while designing these talents? Nothing more fun than having to waste talent points

[smoky vale]

unless we are in oneshot key meta

[digital ore]

I get that Midnight will make them usable (hopefully) but god damn

[smoky vale]

its not a waste

we just optimize the game too far

[fringe vale]

Blizzard should hire Archi and pay him the whole team salary for class design. I bet Archi working at a 10% brain capacity will come out with better ideas for warrior as a class

[craggy heart]

doing a 14 key rn Ill let you know if we cooked, wish me luck

[digital ore]

This also comes back to the issue of Avatar/BS choice nodes. If that wasn't a thing, this wouldn't be either

[coarse nest]

You utilize these talents in aoe when BS is talented

[thick fossil]

They may end up tuning Culling Cyclone to make up for losing avatar. Still waiting on it though, don't hold your breath.

[bitter palm]

dont even have to pay him anything he is sending them shit for free

[digital ore]

This was the recommended ST build off of WoWhead lol

[rare garnet]

I would have to uninstall because theory crafters and CE raiders are way too far up their ass with complexity. I just wanna vibe and at least blizzard develops a nice brain dead spec for me.

[coarse nest]

Yes because reap is worth more than right path

[remote bobcat]

thats too much salary appointed to one role. People tend to forget that it's a team of people who look over multiple, if not all classes, while also taking care of other stuff within the company

[digital ore]

Yeah I get that, I just hate Avatar/BS choices because of this kinda stuff

[rare garnet]

Close eyes. Pick BS. Live well.

[digital ore]

I might be a BS hopium sniffer looking at this

[fringe vale]

Wym cE raiders, CE’s are free since tww s1

[coarse nest]

Bro didn’t watch race to world last dimi

[fringe vale]

Gally was an actual free CE, family friendly CE

[fringe vale]

Rwf = / = CE

Not equal

[coarse nest]

That’s bleeding edge

[young swan]

i dont think thats a bad thing tbh

[coarse nest]

I mean how goofy you want to be, one could argue that any kills after the first round of nerfs or the first passive raid buff is “free”

[young swan]

mythic raiding should be more accessible

[thick fossil]

CE means nothing, M+ title means nothing.
If you can purchase the achievements they mean nothing. Both have been done and makes both worthless.

[fringe vale]

Its not, i like the game being easier tbf

[coarse nest]

💯

[young swan]

even gallywix would've been a hard as fuck boss if you put it in legion or bfa

past couple xpacs have ramped difficulty an insane amount

[digital ore]

This tbh

[smoky vale]

gm xantage

show dog

s

[young swan]

no

[remote bobcat]

gally*still took 100+ pulls for guilds and it came right after mug'zee, a boss that requires a shitton of coordination which is rly hard for late-CE guilds to pull off

[thick fossil]

Even in Shadowlands they most likely would of been hard.

[fringe vale]

Im 100% with you, i like the game being more free ( cough why paywall sub still cough)

[young swan]

the main reason i didnt include SL is because that was like the pinnacle of the WA/boss difficulty arms race

[summer quail]

before sepulcher yea i agree

[thick fossil]

True

[young swan]

i dont think we'll ever get more horseshit bosses than we did in SL

[remote bobcat]

im ngl my only gripe with mythic raiding is that if it becomes easier, then I'll be bored more

[digital ore]

We still had some hard WA bosses even in Undermine

Looking at Stix

No wait, Lockensprocket

[coarse nest]

Castle nathria difficulty seemed solid

[remote bobcat]

sprocket was not a weakaura boss

[fringe vale]

Goated fun fight btw

[young swan]

stix and sloppentopper

[digital ore]

I'm in a guild where there's Mythic raiders who don't even use WAs and you have to convince them to install it

Or well, used to

And those bosses took way too long to kill

[remote bobcat]

please stop

[young swan]

it definitely was, weakaura legit just did the bomb mechanic for u if u werent a moron

shit fight

[remote bobcat]

okay mines yea i'll give u that

[young swan]

and swap mechanic

[fringe vale]

Wym stop, it was fun, don’t you like tokyo drifting in a huge trash ball?

[remote bobcat]

swap mechanic nah no

you could put simple reminders

saying look at debuff

nothing happened during swap

[young swan]

sure but a weakaura legit just airhorned u

if u needed to swap

[remote bobcat]

yea but that doesnt make it a weakaura mechanic

yk?

[young swan]

when I think of a WA fight, i think of a fight that is solved by weakauras

[fringe vale]

You could actually looney toon the adds with the ball, that was so fun

[young swan]

not when its necessarily mandatory

[fringe vale]

Cough fractilus cough

[remote bobcat]

stix was awful

[fringe vale]

It was fun

[remote bobcat]

it was gimmicky and you could enjoy the gimmick itself but the rest of the fight was awful

[fringe vale]

Chaotic, lots of things going on, had an actual
Mechanic outside of just doing dmg

[digital ore]

Fract was zug zug boss for warrior and I enjoyed it

Stix and Shartenpoopensocket? Nah, fuck that

[remote bobcat]

i actually liked sprocket since it felt very rewarding maximizing uptime properly

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/687956613755305988/1385954345912111245/kronz.gif

me after sprocket:

[fringe vale]

Idk i like fights where you test your skills outside of just pressing keys

[remote bobcat]

did u like dimmy flight?

[digital ore]

I like those but having a chill boss where there's mechanics you don't have to sweat through is nice too

[fringe vale]

The flying part was fun

[rare garnet]

Everything is free if you’re good enough. Such a wild mindset. I don’t really care about CE but my point is most CE raiders love their busy complicated specs so I want them as far away from the design team as possible.

[young swan]

i like dps checks

[remote bobcat]

please stop

you're actually the opposite of me.
To me, there's nothing worse than mechanics where i can't play my character

😭

[fringe vale]

Although dragonflight got fucked in prepatch

[digital ore]

I made the decision for anyone who cares. Going to close my eyes and BS in ST as well to give it a go

[fringe vale]

Idk wth they did to it

[remote bobcat]

jaina wall 🙏

[digital ore]

From what I saw it's not that much of a DPS loss?

[dense elbow]

Do it, you wont feel a big difference

[young swan]

that fight was supreme dogshit

[remote bobcat]

yes but the wall

was such a good mechanic

[young swan]

im pretty sure theres a countable number of fights in the past 5 expansions that I have actually enjoyed

[fringe vale]

Drop tierlist

[rare garnet]

I’m still torn between thane and slyer. Gonna be a hard couple of days.

[digital ore]

😔

[young swan]

i already made a tierlist this xpac its time to sleep

[fringe vale]

S tier - sire denny

What a fun effing fight

[young swan]

that fight was fun but the swirls being the same colour as massacre was fucking putrid

[fringe vale]

Real

[young swan]

they didnt change the colour until after I had quit the game

[fringe vale]

They changed it later tho, atill took to long

[summer quail]

ahh too bad, the change made it so easy to see

[remote bobcat]

idk bout u but i just changed to colorblind mode to make em visible

these bosses were particularly fun for me thinking back

[zealous sluice]

Just got home from work and saw my talents changed.
Jumped in here and saw a lot of slayer talk.
We going Slayer now 😄 ?

[remote bobcat]

dimmy was unironically the worst fight i ever played in all my experience playing WoW

[fringe vale]

Wym now

https://tenor.com/view/druski-gif-23886381

[remote bobcat]

thane in m+ still

[dense elbow]

really?

[remote bobcat]

yes

dimmy was awful

i asked to get benched

[zealous sluice]

Y-day i could spec both Anger management and Battlefeild commander.
I canmt today?

[remote bobcat]

during prog

and i had to come in by pull 100

[dense elbow]

[remote bobcat]

awful

so bad

[young swan]

correct

[remote bobcat]

genuinely

[zealous sluice]

Oh you ment slayer now?
I was under the impression Thane was the go to for prepatch/Midnight 😮
For m+

[dense elbow]

Nah, Slayer slays, ignore numbers

If you close your eyes, BS does good dam

[remote bobcat]

thane was and still is pre-patch m+ spec

[zealous sluice]

I see. So just keep pressing the same buttons without Battlefield commander for now then 😄 ?

[young swan]

bt > rb

pretty much everything > rb

except whirlwind

wrecking throw > rb

[fringe vale]

They should remove bt passive leecch healing and swap it for increased dmg if the target is bleeding, goes better with the name of the skill, and the warrior fantasy

Fucking leeching bt is like we sum
Vampire twilight shot

[dense elbow]

I have no idea what that got to do with BS, but how about no?

We do not need more bleed dam focus

[young swan]

disagree!

[modest condor]

no

[fringe vale]

Id rather have my bt do extra dmg to bleeding targets than the dog leech healing it provides

[young swan]

we need more, but focused into deep wounds and cshb

[dense elbow]

How about no, and we just do direct damage and do big number on screen on press

[modest condor]

calling bt's selfhealing "dog leech" is certainly a take

[fringe vale]

But that’s just not fury

[dense elbow]

Yeah, I dont see why fury is supposed to be feral either tho

so meh

[young swan]

feel like the big difference is that our bleeds dont require maintenance

its just passive

[fringe vale]

I like the uptime aspect of fury

[dense elbow]

Well, rend says hello

[young swan]

both from a fantasy and gameplay perspective

yeah, why the FUCK do you think i specified deep wounds and cshb

[fringe vale]

U pressing that?

[dense elbow]

You really should, it is decent dam now

[young swan]

its only decent in aoe

[fringe vale]

On st?

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[dense elbow]

Oh no, am I talking to raider only ppl again?

[young swan]

-0.5% if u just never press it

in ST

[dense elbow]

If only every mob in m+ was ST, am I right?

[young swan]

i will worry about m+ when slayer becomes decidedly better in m+

[fringe vale]

I havent touched a aingle key sinde season ended ngl

[summer quail]

this man put silken court as a fun boss. top 3 worst bosses of all time. council of dreams and zskarn are the other 2

[fringe vale]

Kyveza was fun

[modest condor]

you didnt play bfa or sl?

[summer quail]

i did play sl, quit bfa after first tier

[dense elbow]

Worst boss of all time: Tindral. You are not allowed to disagree, I had to watch tumblewombles wipe to it 1k times

[strong monolith]

I aint pressing that Arms bullshit

[remote bobcat]

fun for me as it felt very rewarding learning the dance. Idk bout u but u can make ur own list

[fringe vale]

Tindral was fun, hard, but fun

[strong monolith]

If I wanted to press rend, I'd play Arms

[dense elbow]

It was an easy af fight, ppl just suck

it was not a fun fight

[fringe vale]

Idk im biased towards fights where there is new mechanics like flying or doing smt else outside being glued to the bosses cheeks

[dense elbow]

Sure, it was fun the first 100 times or so

then I got bored

and listenig to ppl on coms go "oh, first time I died to that"

300 times

made me tilt

worst, fight, ever, made

[fringe vale]

Lol

Those people
Are in every guild lmao

No body takes em serious

[lyric nexus]

question, wie playing Avatar or bladestorm now in Raid?

[dense elbow]

Are there adds? BS

[remote bobcat]

that's hell for me, hate em with a burning passion

[fringe vale]

Isk test it, i went av yeaterday it felt… the same?

[remote bobcat]

like wdym there's forced downtime lasting many many seconds

[lyric nexus]

30% buff looks pretty strong now it seems

[remote bobcat]

ava still slightly better

[fringe vale]

I mean if your goal is a colored parse on prog kills, sure u hate em

The goal should be clearing bosses

And parse later tbf

[iron portal]

Why not both

[remote bobcat]

how's that remotely relevant when everyone flies on a boss like dimmy

[fringe vale]

Idk why the hate on flying on boss fights

It is a cool addition

[remote bobcat]

downtime isnt fun for me, let me play my class not this dogshit in-between mechanic. the novelty of it wears off after clearing heroic the first time

it really isnt

to me

[fringe vale]

And everyone is flying in dimmy

[coarse nest]

Downtime bosses are the worst imo

[remote bobcat]

downtime is so unfun

for me

including flying bosses

[dense elbow]

Forced DPS stop bosses are so much worse

[remote bobcat]

they put both into dimmy

[dense elbow]

oh my

[summer quail]

where's the pilav clip. so good

[dense elbow]

maybe it is the worst boss fight ever

[remote bobcat]

also parry in p1

[coarse nest]

Rashok is probably peak fight design for me

[remote bobcat]

[fringe vale]

Ok this i agree with you, remove parry from bosses

Like wtf

[iron portal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1QV6ow2NLQ

[summer quail]

it's so fkn good

[remote bobcat]

3x MFA and AJ running out, you click your only stack of sudden death -> parried

🫃

[coarse nest]

☠️

[remote bobcat]

you mention it ONCE

ONCE

all ranges

"just outplay it"

"parry exists to outplay it"

[dense elbow]

https://giphy.com/gifs/smile-reactiongifs-B5AVgxf0OzlyE

[fringe vale]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-my-honest-reaction-damn-skull-skeleton-gif-15885937969029652188

The parry sound

Keeps me awaken at noght

Actual pta

Ptsd

It tilts me the fuck out

[summer quail]

my favourite is garms doing sarkareth, sark turns around for 1 sec and he immideately parries colossus smash

best clip

[fringe vale]

Whenever i hear the stupid parry sound

[dense elbow]

god that is gold

[remote bobcat]

do u have the clip?

[fringe vale]

I enrage irl

I remember sylvannas

Idk wtf that bitch parried so often

[dense elbow]

Ok, that fight me the worst of all time

the RP run killed me

[fringe vale]

She had a parry dagger on her asscheeks

[remote bobcat]

the RP run was bad yea

same with jaina rp run

[dense elbow]

"aight, only 10 mins till we can progress again"

[fringe vale]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-duck-sleep-gif-12073235593935901891

[lyric nexus]

Sim says bladestorm is better

[summer quail]

https://www.twitch.tv/qtgarms/clip/GrotesqueBoxyChoughBudBlast-TojeA-XRbCQcgPQO?filter=clips&range=all&sort=time

[remote bobcat]

show talents

[summer quail]

in execute phase as well holy moly

[remote bobcat]

okay but he didnt even react dawg

lowkey borin

[summer quail]

streams no voice i think

[remote bobcat]

ur using rb focused talents

we use bt focused builds

[lyric nexus]

can u send me some to test it?

a build

[faint whale]

Use the wowhead one its updated

[young swan]

CgEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgGDzwMsMz8AzMDjZmZGzMzsMzMGzMLDzMAAQMWWGYBMBzwEYG2AM2Y2GAAADjZmhBA

[remote bobcat]

CgEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgGDzwMsMz8AzMDjZmZGzYmlZmxYmZZMzMAAQMWWGYBMBzwEYG2AM2Y2GAAADjZmhBA

this one has whirlwind instead of enraged regen

[young swan]

mine wasnt good enough for kronzo

[remote bobcat]

yea how dare u run enraged regen

[dense elbow]

[vernal laurel]

Cant we see enemy damage taken atm? Thought this update would bring that onto live

[coarse nest]

Yeah when the number pops up above the targets head you have to read it fast and then add it to the next number that you read and then you keep doing that until the fight is over

[brittle crow]

parry exists to make my raid leads mad for not standing where they want me to

idgaf. i have leap and Interpose ill stand where i damn well please

[remote bobcat]

i already told my rlead i will NOT be standing in front of the boss if it can be avoided

💯

🔥

[brittle crow]

is there a way to know which bosses can parry just with a sniff test

[lyric nexus]

ok thats way better

[brittle crow]

is it the "humanoid" type ones

[lyric nexus]

so we holding bl now on cd iguess than

then*

[remote bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/tish-bri-gif-8989407742432775903

[south kayak]

Lmfao

[lyric nexus]

[mighty patio]

any1 got some good m+ tallents for today ?

[remote bobcat]

CgEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgGDjZMjlZGzYmZMzYGzYmlZmxYmZZMzMAAQYAwyiRDDIDMjFADMbDAmZAMMzMDGA

[mighty patio]

tyvm

[brittle crow]

tf is bl

[remote bobcat]

He meant to say that we're pressing BT on cd now but he's german

[brittle crow]

ill never forgive the germans

not for what they did on that island

[remote bobcat]

What?

[lyric nexus]

sorry

[near temple]

If I wanted to play Mountain Thane for single target raiding, how much of a DPS loss would that be, would it be considerable?

[proven gazelle]

man losing battlefield commander is so painful. idk why did they even preadd the new talents, or change point distribution when there's still like 3 weeks left

[frank dawn]

Eh, I mean, yes it’s 3% but it’s not like there is a single thing that’s important or matters here the next two weeks.

Pre-patch periods have always been meme as hell with random broken and unbalanced things

[slim dust]

can u guy pls link me to a ST build for raiding?

[somber eagle]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/fury/talent-builds-pve-dps

[gleaming crag]

so I feel like they made a majority of classes less complex and added to fury warrior having to watch bloodborne buff now.

[oblique pond]

so are we now a bt spamming build even in single target as slayer?

[summer quail]

i mean you don't have to watch the bloodborne buff really since we use bt on cd

[gleaming crag]

Prior to patch yeah it was something to watch

[frank dawn]

Fury was already one of the simpler classes before as well

[oblique pond]

what talent does slayer drop now to get improved ww?

[remote bobcat]

enraged regen

[olive wraith]

You didn’t pay attention to bloodborne

[storm meadow]

Ahoy

Quick question : Is Thane still fine in M+ after the nerfs?

Or should we go back to Slayer for this week ?

[rare garnet]

Play slayer so you can feel the satisfaction or pressing rend

[woven kelp]

i can feal this👀 ish 21.5% ST nerf ._.

[rare garnet]

No u can’t

[modest condor]

losing a bunch of talents does that (also that's not how you calculate % nerfs)

[woven kelp]

same thing thats the amount i lost from last week

[storm meadow]

I meant the -30% damage on TC/TB

[timid pumice]

It's 48% AA nerf big?

[summer quail]

yes still fine

[young swan]

its only big if you assume they tune nothing else from now until the xpac release

otherwise, just like every other patch note they posted yesterday, it doesnt matter

[trail locust]

wowhead says to apply rend in slayer ST when debuff is <5s. But never says when to apply it. Immediately?

[modest condor]

0 seconds is less than 5

so you apply it when "rend when debuff <5 seconds" comes up in the prio

[remote bobcat]

you apply it for the very first time when:

• less than 80 rage
• bt on cooldown
• odyns fury on cooldown
• no recklessness
• no execute/sudden death

[prisma tide]

Anyone know why beta down for 12hours +

[trail locust]

ty

[summer quail]

secret build to make enraged regen enforced

[prisma tide]

Lol

[frank dawn]

warrior about to get a secret whole ass rework right before launch

(I do not want this)

[olive wraith]

Secret build to bring back Annihilator since rb is in the dumpster

[frank dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/hold-up-the-rock-gif-21577036

[prisma tide]

Joke aside nothing has been said?

[summer quail]

correct, nothing has been said. last week it was offline coz of server unstability so might be the same

[zinc sand]

Whats are the specs for ST and AOE after todays talent changes?

[coarse nest]

In the updates channel there’s a link

[zinc sand]

tyvm

❤️

[exotic cradle]

am i being dumb, is there no information as to why some of the class talents were moved? looking at the pages i cant see anything relating to it. apologies if this has been asked already lmao

[young swan]

More importantly, the Class Tree talent gates have changed to now require spending 23 points before unlocking the third row of talents. This means you will only have 8 points left to spend at the bottom of the tree at level 80, instead of the usual 11.

in #updates-midnight

[exotic cradle]

yeah, missed that tab. went straight to updates beta rather than midnight

so i am being dumb

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[wind charm]

why are the talents resetet

[olive wraith]

Legendary accountability

[dense elbow]

changes was made to talents

[hollow quiver]

damn quite hard to unlearn 1 extension of muscular memory prioritzing RB

I'm thinking of switching the 2 spells

[exotic cradle]

best way to go about it

[hollow leaf]

Why is my top damage reap on ST

wtf have they done with my spec

[rare garnet]

Rend debuff < 5s or missing.

[young swan]

scroll up literally 4 messages

[rare garnet]

Xan, 🫶

You fixed something that annoyed me that was super simple but my noggin just never made the connection

[young swan]

what did I do

[rare garnet]

Your whole icon macro thing on your UI. I fucking despise BT and RB icons changing and just never considered hard setting the icon. Stupid easy fix. Thanks. You should go into IT.

[young swan]

lmfao

[rare garnet]

I even already had them as fucking macros… just, needed to hard pick the icon. So funny.

[young swan]

yeah its def an easy fix

[frank dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-why-im-here-obi-wan-obi-wan-kenobi-star-wars-gif-18535648

Xan be like ^

[rare garnet]

I can’t wait for Star Wars 12 where Obi Wan has been cloned. AI really gonna solve all my issues with not getting to see my old favorites reprise their roles.

[thick fossil]

Look up some of the stuff Star Wars Theory is showcasing. Some of it AI slop, some of it fantastic.

[edgy widget]

maybe you're just really bad at ST

[hollow leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/sasaki-and-miyano-sasaki-to-miyano-anime-boy-smile-gif-17883348795256658808

[wind charm]

Is it only my feeling or is Berghain got heavily nerfed

[fervent tundra]

what should dam meter even look like rn

for ST

[olive wraith]

What’s that

[rare garnet]

I like a more default style so this is pretty nice https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/details-skin-the-war-within

[fervent tundra]

oh i meant numbers wise

bloodthrist/reap top with ramp and exe

[jolly wind]

does fury still do big dam in keyts

yes or no

[rare garnet]

Oh, umm… this font kinda makes things easy to read but it’s up to you how you want the numbers to look

[limber fractal]

any change in thane build rotation for m+?

[empty mirage]

oh no

[dense elbow]

why the oh no, it is pointless data

[empty mirage]

i need fury at the top of every chart ever made

real data or not

[heady flume]

Where i can see the talents now?

[empty mirage]

murlok.io is a d1 website

[empty mirage]

much better

[finite jetty]

Dont get your head twisted

[dense elbow]

https://media.tenor.com/MKKK91P4LvYAAAAm/petthepeepo-pepe-the-frog.webp

[finite jetty]

[coarse nest]

What if I’m trying to…

Hmm

[finite jetty]

You wake up in Oblivion

[livid vessel]

I have a question on ST rotation. The article mentions in "tips" to not cap on rage, but there is no line for Rampage cast at >115 Rage like for MT. Are there situations where i would really want to press bloodthirst at rage cap?

[flint elbow]

guys, how much dps did mountain thane loose with the latest patch? 🥲

[olive wraith]

Not much

[flint elbow]

Is it still better than slayer in m+?

[olive wraith]

Don’t cap

[livid vessel]

tyty

[olive wraith]

Depends what you want. Slayer has better st/prio. thane has better aoe

Both are pretty close

[empty mirage]

i want the dragonflight set back where you had to save up bt stacks then blow it for huge crit

[olive wraith]

Gross

[empty mirage]

that set was so fun man

[olive wraith]

Not for me

I like bt spam

[empty mirage]

i wanna go back to ww too i hate tc

[olive wraith]

Then play slayer

[empty mirage]

i swapped to prot for a bit

furys so fun but me personally i get tunnel vision on the dps meter and nothing else matters

the game becomes who has a longer bar lmao

[iron portal]

Then you would just play whatever is meta tbh

[rare garnet]

Just turn off meter. Ez.

[shrewd crater]

Hello all, For a new Fury warrior, which would be better to use Puzzling cartel chips for? Screams of the Forgotten Sky or Interloper's Plated Sabatons

[humble plover]

Transmog?

[shrewd crater]

No, for gear dps

[young swan]

doesnt really matter

both are gonna get replaced while leveling

boots prob gonna do more for u while leveling

[olive wraith]

Probably the boots?

Isn’t stuff dying ultra quick

[open wigeon]

I'm kinda worried that they still didn't fix the ER talent position

[olive wraith]

Where would you move it?

[shrewd crater]

Ok thanks, boots it is

[fast gull]

hey guys - i've not played wow in months. Are warriors relatively happy with the direction of things now and in midnight? I know it's subject to huge change but what is the general consensus? Are people slitting wrists or pretty ok with things?

[radiant plank]

yeah

[fast gull]

Slitting wrists.. ha.. for a moment i thought i was in havoc dh discord.

those guys are very emo

[fast gull]

insightful! 🙂 Thanks!

[winter shoal]

Fury is very similar in midnight to what it was in TWW

Idk about arms, seems like a bit of a mess

[fast gull]

oh well fury sounds like it will be ok then 🙂 carpel tunnel syndrome here we go!

i think i will prob play fury .. zugzug. Who needs magic when you can smash things up...

[verbal garden]

Just tried my first key after latest fury changes and output seemed way down. Survival Hunt and Dev DH kicked my ass where prior I typically could hang with anyone.

[olive wraith]

Fix your keybinds if serious

[fast gull]

can you expand on that please kalaith? It sounds like that's very good advice

[coarse nest]

Rampage/raging blow on one is no go

Or execute if you like to spam that one

[shadow maple]

Now fury is bt bot again on slayer?

[remote bobcat]

yes

[remote bobcat]

just pressing buttons doesnt cause carpal tunnel or anything of the sort. place your keybinds well. dont do finger gymnastics for no reason

[olive wraith]

^ well stated

[young swan]

fury generally pretty happy, arms currently in free fall after driving their jeep durango off a cliff

[rare garnet]

I tried arms once for 15m and it felt yucky

I don’t understand our cousins at all

[hot shell]

Arms will forever by a pvp specc in my head

[frank dawn]

We are going through the Arms expansion ritual where blizzard has to delete their rage gen and be told it feels fucking horrendous for an entire patch before they change it

sometimes this ritual concludes during the beta test, but not this time

[sullen dove]

thought experiment

how about they just remove rage and just make it a spec that does cool sword swings and stuff

oh yes having either a perma empty rage bar or a perma full rage bar is very exciting and fulfilling gameplay that affects how I feel when I hit my abilities

execute feels sooo goood just because it costs rage to use

[frank dawn]

I can't say I've thought about it much, but seeing as how they haven't ever really succeeded in making Arms rage be a meaningful interaction it would be interesting to see a different take on their resource model

[hot shell]

Counter thought
Since they already love giving warriors throwing abilitys just keep fury as is and make arms an range barbaric weapon throwing build

That would be fun tho. So blizz wont allow it

[sullen dove]

imo rage is literally worthless/pointless for both specs and is only really a vehicle to let us have something like AM

like you could just put a 4-5 cooldown on rampage and have it fulfill exactly what its already doing

[frank dawn]

eh, maybe, but it also works with Rampage and things like Reck or the Apex all interact with that rage cost in a mostly successful way I'd say

[hot shell]

U know what would be great?
A heavier hitting rage spender that doesnt enrage you so you actually have to think what to press

[frank dawn]

eh, I mean maybe, but the rage model would have to change pretty drastically to support that

[olive wraith]

Not sure that would fly

[frank dawn]

low enrage uptime feels like complete and total ass

[rancid crag]

Is rend worth using in aoe situations

Or just thunder clap what do u guys think ?

[frank dawn]

if Thane, you never hit rend itself

[glad coyote]

what hero talent?

[rancid crag]

Thane

[glad coyote]

if thane yes,

just press tc

dont even need rend on bars

[frank dawn]

never hit rend as Thane

[rancid crag]

Yeah but check it out it deals okay dmg but seems uncapped

At least no target cap is mentioned

[frank dawn]

Thunderclap applies rend for you

[rancid crag]

Yeah I know

But rend deals damage too

So if uncapped

[olive wraith]

Clap does more damage

[rancid crag]

Wouldnt it be preferable to tc

Like 1k more

[olive wraith]

And generates rage

[frank dawn]

oh I see what you're saying. Maybe there's some target count where that can be thing, but I don't know what it is lol

it would be a really fuckin big target count, cuz rage is good yeh

[rancid crag]

Yeah so basically pass on it

[frank dawn]

indeed

[rancid crag]

Okay then is tc still prio

In aoe situations

I do tc bt tc rampage seems to flow good

[sullen sphinx]

is there any up to date guide for fury both for mt and slayer ?

[olive wraith]

Wowhead

[hot shell]

Thats petty much it. RB is just a filler

[olive wraith]

And don’t rage cap

[rancid crag]

Ill try it out now see how it goes

Do you think slayer can make a comeback ?

[olive wraith]

Slayer isn’t far behind

[frank dawn]

Slayer is pretty strong at max level, I think the gap is a little wider right now without full talents

[sullen sphinx]

so in ssingle target for slayer we prio bloodthrist over rb and remaning prio is the same right ?

[hot shell]

According to noxivs new video they are pretty close so he plays slayer cause he likes it more.
ST slayer is slightly better
So no reason to force thane

[olive wraith]

For st sure

[rancid crag]

I really liked the 4p reap the storm

[frank dawn]

yeah Slayer still the most boss damage of the two specs, Thane will give you higher overalls most of the time

but they are both pretty close, at least as tuning stands today you can 100% play the one you prefer

or switch as you like for variety!

what a time to be alive

[hot shell]

Rn is probably the closest weve come yet to "speccs are equal"

[sullen sphinx]

slayer without bladestorm feels so silly 😄 Blizzard wanted a spin to win warrior but right now slayer has to take spin to win things and not use actual spell 😄 Feels so awkard tbf

[hot shell]

Thats only ST tho

[frank dawn]

It is stupid, but it's only on 100% patchwerk and even then it's only like a 2% loss or so

[hot shell]

2 mobs press that beyblade button

[olive wraith]

Ya it’s pretty silly

[frank dawn]

like it's still stupid, don't get me wrong at all

but it's not like Avatar is shitting all over Bladestorm or anything

[olive wraith]

Kinda funny that makes slayer have more build diversity than thane

[frank dawn]

also F

[olive wraith]

Oh I guess rr too

Wow 2 whole talent choices

[sullen sphinx]

I am gonna stick with thunde theme unless there is huge competetive advantage. But big spin to win in raid should be really fun with low hp adds for puddle damage 😄

[cyan creek]

went from smoking everyone inb M+ to losing to everyone lol

[olive wraith]

Meh it’s pre patch

[verbal garden]

Yup

[olive wraith]

Just wait for midnight

[hot shell]

...eh?

Dont play with mage or wl and u wont be last

[frank dawn]

I saw someone saying that not all classes had their class tree gates changed. Kinda smells like bullshit, but does anyone know

[hot shell]

All classes ive logged into got their trees scrapped, dont know which one didnt

[glad coyote]

the 2 warrior toons i have had theirs change lol

[frank dawn]

Yeah I've logged into like 5 different classes I guess, and they all had the gates moved

dude prob just smokin the goods

[rancid crag]

Damn the thunder blast nerf is massive

[modest condor]

yeah it was kinda silly

if they wanted to hit our uncapped aoe they should have nerfed both clap and blast for a smaller amount

[rancid crag]

Yeah silly is the right word

[rare garnet]

Back to slayer!! :horse clopping noises::

[rancid crag]

Damn slayer seems fire

Does execute proc reap the storm

[frank dawn]

sudden death does

Slayer plays excellently, Bladestorm just kinda poo tuning wise

[rancid crag]

Should i be using rb or just execute and bt for reap the storm procs

[frank dawn]

RB is your last priority filler button, so you might not hit it a lot but you def still hit it

[sullen dove]

what a world we live in

[rare garnet]

I’ll be curious to see the sims. Seems negligible to just unbind it TBH

[olive wraith]

Unbind? You crazy

[rare garnet]

Eh I’ll look again at max level and why not but I’m not fiddling with an extra bind for half a percent baby.

[rancid crag]

Do i need to be applying rend as slayer ?

[rare garnet]

But I need to see the full cooked APLs from the wizards that have taken prepatch off to make any long term decisions.

[olive wraith]

St it’s used as a filler

[gritty bramble]

am I missing something or the overall damage in m+ for Thane is alot lower? and i mean ALOT

[olive wraith]

Aoe it’s kinda good

[frank dawn]

They did nerf Thane kind of a lot. Thunderblast, autos, Rampage

[gritty bramble]

I've read the comments, but didnt imagine by that amount

i did a 20 and was missing a ton of damage

[rare garnet]

Gotta make a mage if you wanna stay up

[olive wraith]

Bigger nerf is the talent restrictions

[frank dawn]

ehhhhhhh, I mean Battlefield Commander and 1% haste isn't small but it's not big either

[olive wraith]

Don’t you lose seismic too?

[signal jolt]

rip hekili

[olive wraith]

Oh no you don’t. But still 3% ap is kinda massive isn’t it

[frank dawn]

I think Archi said it was a little over 2.5%

which I don't think I would call massive, but it's noticeable

[upbeat quail]

So now, as Mountain Thane, do we still need whirlwind in our action bar? Or we just use Thunder Clap to apply the improved whirlwind?

[olive wraith]

Never needed ww as thane

Still don’t

[upbeat quail]

Thanks. I haven't played Thane, I have played Slayer. That's why I'm asking

so basically as Mountain Thane, Rend and Whirlwind are useless?

[olive wraith]

Correct

Unbind them

[upbeat quail]

ok, thank you

[vapid dagger]

Fury slayer super fun to play in MM, but so many spells unsynch, i dont understand why rend in not applied with another skill

[tacit pawn]

Slayer or MT for M+ going into midnight?

[fossil orbit]

MT

[frank dawn]

They are close for now, play what you prefer

[tacit pawn]

Okay, is MT still ahead?

[frank dawn]

Yeah you’re almost always going to do more overall damage as thane

At least with how tuning is today. Obviously more tuning will come here in about a month before the raid

[tacit pawn]

Ty!

[young swan]

@tall ruin u deleted ur message but updated builds can be found on wowhead and rampaging ruin blows

[tall ruin]

🤘

[rancid crag]

i feel like rend also kinda messes with the rotation on slayer

[verbal kestrel]

why is furys damage in the toilet

[olive wraith]

How?

[tidal path]

This

i was about to ask the same thing

[olive wraith]

Rend is higher prio than rb

[verbal kestrel]

devourer dhs destroying everything now

[rancid crag]

Dmg is still good on fury

Yeah I guess its just hard for me to get used to that but feels kinda clunky with rend

[olive wraith]

We are tuned for lv 90

[tidal path]

I swear we lost like 20k of damage rn

[rancid crag]

Still keeping up in keys

[tidal path]

Ah that's why

[olive wraith]

Well that’s part of it imo

[tidal path]

yeah damage in keys are really up

[olive wraith]

Could also very much be that other classes are just over tuned

[tidal path]

But tonight i did raid with my guildies..my damage was ass

[verbal kestrel]

so is BS worth talenting now?

[olive wraith]

Not in st

[verbal kestrel]

got it

[tidal path]

This is kinda bullshit TBH we are softlocked until midnight basically?

[rancid crag]

Bro its not so bad

[olive wraith]

We still okay afaik

[tidal path]

I hope it will get better with midnight, because tonight i felt i was bringing nothing to the damage

[verbal kestrel]

blizz seems to think we bring utillity or something

[olive wraith]

We’re okay on beta

[young swan]

well we arent tuned at all

[vapid dagger]

I.dont see what apex brings

[young swan]

damage

[vapid dagger]

Just % dmg

[young swan]

correct

[vapid dagger]

But nothing for rotation

[young swan]

yep

[vapid dagger]

So when they'll balance

Apex has no utility

With or without, they'd balance dmg anyway

[young swan]

no apex has utility

[summer quail]

apex ensures rampage being worth to press. i'll take that. no overcapping rage

[vapid dagger]

I feel like RV is kinda useless in slayer

rB *

[young swan]

it is

[summer quail]

it's kinda useless for both hero trees

[young swan]

^

[vapid dagger]

Haha

[hollow leaf]

both hero trees play basically the same build and press basically the same buttons

[dense elbow]

RB is useless, if you dont go full and ignore optimisation for overall and just take its improvement talents and play

[hot shell]

Zugzug

https://tenor.com/view/world-of-warcraft-orc-angry-gif-12083808

[dense elbow]

Playing the wrong way, makes BS and OF look better tho

so that is a win

[rare garnet]

@edgy widget does rend not have a cooldown on raidbots currently?

[olive wraith]

Does rend even have a cooldown?

[rare garnet]

my spellbook says yes

[olive wraith]

Til

[rare garnet]

but sims say no

[olive wraith]

Sims spam it?

[dense elbow]

does sims use it more than every 6 sec tho?

[dense elbow]

huehue

Guess rend on sims will lose some value after that fix

[olive wraith]

We have removed the cooldown on rend to make it more iconic

[rare garnet]

i was like, wow, getting rid of RB and only using rend seems unusually good and then i looked at what it was doing and got confused lol

[hot shell]

Thats alot of rend

[rare garnet]

sims look great, target dummy... less great

[jagged pagoda]

Does anyone have a single target fury build that is currently working?

[deft palm]

I feel like i do no damage

But i do damage

Lol

Making RB useless is kinda weird

[sharp oracle]

Been working all week, i see talents are reset. did they gut fury??

[sullen dove]

just move point thresholds back so we have 3 less points to spend on the bottom since we’ll get 3 more at new max level

won’t feel different then and we can just get more utility and shit now but just lost a few dmg talents temporarily

but like most classes had that happen I think

if not all

[sharp oracle]

doesnt change the thane playstyle at all from what i can tell?

[plucky ether]

learning fury, and i keep missing enrage falling off. is this because i'm not always hitting 115 rage?

its mostly when i'm running single target/slayer

[warm crag]

enrage shouldnt really be falling off with how much you want to be pressing bt

[plucky ether]

bt on cooldown?

[warm crag]

check the wowhead guide im p sure thats accurate to after the changes today

[warm crag]

from what i gather p much ye but check the wowhead rotation page for a better answer

[plucky ether]

okie! thx

[hollow leaf]

it does

[edgy widget]

haven't been at the comp, but we had a bug come up with TC's cooldown, I wonder if it somehow got extended to Rend as well - will look into it tonight

[toxic jewel]

can we get that reaptech gif changed to execute instead of raging blow

[hushed gust]

hey, quick question. both ST and MT builds on WoWhead are taking Wrecking Throw and Javelineer. is the intention just filler talents? do we use Wrecking Throw as a part of our damage cooldowns? or are we just using it for the silence on Javelineer?

the written damage doesn't seem too bad. the damage is higher than Rampage, and it's effected by both Enrage and Avatar.

ignore the case where you want to hold it for an absorb shield, since that should be a no-brainer.

[jolly wind]

ppl treating wowhead like its the holy bible....

[hushed gust]

i mean- the "whys" and "whats" will really determine whether i take this idea seriously or not. making snarky comments doesn't really help here.

[woven valley]

It’s Prepatch none of the current stuff matters much to be fair

We have like 2 weeks of this left then it’s an entire new landscape

[jolly wind]

fr

ppl need to chill

its prepatch this isnt title keys rn buddy

[frank dawn]

You take wrecking throw because it’s a better damage efficiency than Raging Blow. So if you aren’t holding it for a shield it is a dps increase to hit it instead of RB

[woven valley]

I also wasn’t dismissing the question, I was more so saying not to think about it too hard just try things and see how they feel to you

[hushed gust]

i mean- sure, but again, why other people are doing this is also interesting. helps inform me of what's currently going on, even if it is just a 2 week span.

[edgy widget]

tbf you could have gotten the answer to this if you just looked at the guide's rotation pages
but yes, it's because they can be used for a small performance gain

[jolly wind]

just copy top player talent ez

boom

no wowhead needed

[edgy widget]

you got a better one?

[jolly wind]

yes your brain

jk murlok

just copy top player talent

haha

[edgy widget]

where do you think they get it from?

[hushed gust]

i did miss that as an option to toggle on the page. my bad there.

[edgy widget]

there's also a "talent builds" page which has a few notes on what each build in particular does and why, along with some talent swap options, its only haphazardly updated right now though because I cba to put a lot of effort into the last 2 weeks of prepatch

[jolly wind]

but why do we pick avatar with slayer guysssss i dont get itttt

[edgy widget]

because it's betta

[jolly wind]

why does wowhead say to do that

guysss

tell meee

plz

i need answers

haha

[edgy widget]

you've kind of annoying

[junior oyster]

kind of?

[edgy widget]

I was being diplomatic

I've been trying to be nicer to people who don't deserve it

[smoky vale]

hi archimtiros 🙂

[junior oyster]

Their guides don't suggest what you'd play in a perfect world if everything made sense. They can only account for the world we're actually in at the present moment lol

[cobalt kernel]

the only thing i can give to zach is his consistency

[twin hazel]

Run both talent set ups compare damages and crunch out what spell is doing what if you really wanna know but I won’t be worth the effort because it can all change in two weeks is what everyone is saying

[rare garnet]

wowhead guide writers are paid by big parsa to have poorly written content so the secret tech can live in the top guilds to parse better, think how the crafters mob controlls your auction house and recraft prices, its all a scam all the way down, dont stop youre so close to the truth just keep asking questions and you'll know it soon how this works

[junior oyster]

Plus we're 10 talents short of the experience they're designing for, nothing's gonna make sense right now

[rare garnet]

guides are useless, cant trust robit, get to a target dummy and do your own research

[jolly wind]

i was being sarcastic

but i appreciate the advice

[rare garnet]

damnit, they got to you already

[jolly wind]

its because 1000000 ppl come in here and ask

why do we take avatar

with slayer

wowhead told me to

......

[fair cave]

I swear, who the fk looked at ww and said "yh i can use this animation a 4th time for warrior" and make it not only seem less impressive visualy, but also have a miserable impact sound + the swing sound itself seems like a small tree branch you found

[winter shoal]

Need a mod to react this so I can also react it

[sullen dove]

real check

[dense elbow]

Cause taking avatar yields more DPS value, than bringing BS on ST

Ya can just take BS tho, wont make or break anything, other than a potential 100 log to a 99

[undone flower]

Nooooo…. Not the 100 log

[dense elbow]

Always evade me by a single crit of value if only reap did proc that one more time

[undone flower]

I never pressed slam in TWW and did some 99s now I know what I missed, I only have regrets

[olive wraith]

Sir you ask a rotational question 3 times a day. Maybe you should read wowhead

[jolly wind]

yes but the difference is these ppl are reading wowhead THEN coming in here to ask questions

i dont read wowhead

[edgy widget]

buddy you're not really in a position to throw stones about people asking questions

[winter shoal]

not the receipts

[edgy widget]

so how about you just settle down and stop acting like you're holier than thou

[jolly wind]

ok the first one was sarcasm

and noone answered these questions btw

[edgy widget]

the point was you asked the exact same question that you're now mocking

[jolly wind]

so thanks a lot for that

[edgy widget]

and yes, they did answer those question

[jolly wind]

no i dont

i asked very specific questions regarding prio in rotation with thane

[woven valley]

Bro’s ego about not using wowhead is crazy

[jolly wind]

100000 ppl coming in here asking why we play avatr with slayer cuz wowhead said to

[edgy widget]

I don't care what your question is or what their question is

you literally asked the same question kid

[jolly wind]

that was sarcasam

[edgy widget]

buddy this was not sarcasm

stop trying to rewrite the narrative

[jolly wind]

ok what does that have to do wih anything

[edgy widget]

this is the last time I'm going to ask you, politely, to tone it down and stop being antagonistic

cool? cool

[olive wraith]

I mean wowhead is a wonderful starting place for info. Why wouldn’t you use it? Doesn’t make sense to me to diss wowhead and then ask the same basic rotational stuff

[hollow leaf]

because it does more damage than bladestorm

[edgy widget]

it has nothing to do with wowhead or any other resource, guy is just being pompous

[hollow leaf]

that's it

it just does more damage

[modest condor]

but i look at details and avatar does 0 damage, explain that

[hollow leaf]

the gap between avatar and bladestorm is smaller now since the last patch notes but it's still better for ST

[woven valley]

Guy just seemed mad for no reason

[hollow leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-kirk-eeffoc-coffee-kirk-sip-gif-4020112974186077286

[edgy widget]

I mean I don't really care for answering the same questions over and over again either 😂 I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who does, especially when it's something that's pretty straightforward when you think about it

[hollow leaf]

Isn't that what you've been doing for the past few years

[edgy widget]

more like few decades, but yes, that's why I added that personal anecdote about my experience in having done it for so long

but being condescending toward people asking those questions, particularly when you're not the one answering questions in the first place is a really bad look

[modest condor]

he's been doing it so much he decided to just write it all in one place so he can point people to it!

[sullen dove]

what if theres a bot that auto replies when ppl ask the same question in a given range of time when new changes happen

like the amount of times ive seen the question asked "why dont we take bladestorm" in the last 3 weeks

and the amount of times its been answered by a bunch of different people

[hollow leaf]

there's been discussions to have something like that but it was ultimately decided against as it would undermine the purpose of the discord being for discussions

[sullen dove]

so a bot just sees the word bladestorm or somethin and says "bladestorm is bad" automatically or something

[edgy widget]

funny I don't remember you being in those discussions

[hollow leaf]

you told me about them a while back in dms

it's fine if you don't remember, you're old

[sullen dove]

eyir cocks sort of did that

but for memes

and shes been dead for like 2 years

[edgy widget]

The real answer is that it's hard to program a bot that will accurately pick up on all variations of the question without also getting a lot of false positives, so you either have questions that go unanswered or non-questions end up getting answered

At the same time, people get used to letting bots answer, so they stop doing it themselves, which stifles productive conversation and encourages unproductive conversation to fill the silence instead, both in an unhealthy way

and then finally, there's an extra maintenance tax as someone needs to keep the thing up to date in what can be a frequently shifting landscape

[hollow leaf]

just have chatgpt read every message and have it answer

[edgy widget]

that's what we have yellow names for

[woven valley]

Ah yes we all know chat gpt is a great source of info kek

[winter shoal]

dagger fury server underflow tick rate type beat

[hollow leaf]

reminds me of method's own AI that's been hardcoded to not talk about controversial people like josh

[edgy widget]

although it can be tiresome to see the same question over and over again, the reality is there's nothing wrong with it and nobody in here has any obligation to answer - if you get eexasperated hearing it for the third time in an hour... you can just go do something else; let someone else have a turn answering it

[hollow leaf]

ew, emotional intelligence

[edgy widget]

its like the people who click on wowhead articles just to comment "I don't care about this" like ok, well if you don't care about it, why are you clicking on it in the first place? you're creating your own problem just to complain about it

[winter shoal]

If I'm not outraged about something, what purpose do I have?

[sour elbow]

anyone else remember how good it was growing up in the 90s pre internet?

[winter shoal]

No I'm a zoomer

[edgy widget]

you didn't have internet in the 90s?

[sour elbow]

I remember the time before, then dial up, then building my first computer for battlefield 1942 😄

[hollow leaf]

no I'm a 2000s baby

[winter shoal]

I wonder who the oldest person on this server is

They've gotta be like at least 80 or something right

Surely there's someone

[sour elbow]

Old meat

[edgy widget]

I think I first got home internet in 1990 or 91

[winter shoal]

Did you live near a university?

[sour elbow]

I was really trying to remember lol. We were poor af so probably later than the average

[left perch]

You can just say “we doubt vhys can do it and also we don’t trust him to he’s a (redacted)” if you want big dog

[edgy widget]

actually yes, but we didn't get it through them

[edgy widget]

who?

[deft palm]

how important is rend

[frank dawn]

Basically meaningless on single target, worth a few percent on AoE

[woven valley]

Just needs to be baked into whirlwind imo but it seems a ton of people have said this

[hollow leaf]

just a filler over ww basically

[deft palm]

ok

am i dogshit because i feel like im not doing as much damage as i could be

apparently we're still strong in dps according to warcraft logs

[hollow leaf]

yeah we're fine

just sit on a dummy for a few minutes

it's kinda just spamming bt and exe

[restive ledge]

I grew up in Athens, Greece. Until 2008, I played WoW in an internet cafe. (I don't know why I replied to this, I just got nostalgic).

[hollow leaf]

internet cafes are really common in greece right

[restive ledge]

Oh, yes. Especially in teh 90s and early 2000s. I practically lived in one. I would pay a 24-hour ticket, for 15 Euro and just spend all teh time grinding WoW or playing DotA.

[modest condor]

yeah i had a couple of greek people in my raid that played in internet cafes most of the time

[hollow leaf]

I've boosted with a lot of greek people who boosted from internet cafes

as recently as nerub'ar

[restive ledge]

I haven't been back in the motherland for 10 years, so I don;t know if they are still open.

[dire vigil]

Is there a way to fix the CDM so that my audio alert when losing enrage buff doesnt keep going crazy every time I reset my enrage buff?

[hollow leaf]

Do you really need an alert to tell you if you've dropped enrage? It's pretty rotational to keep up

[dire vigil]

I just want it lol, not a need, but you want to prolong the use of rampage at times, though yeah, it is automatic

[restive ledge]

Yeah, it's usually every 2-3 casts.

[dire vigil]

Idk, more just playing around with the CDM

[restive ledge]

But, no, I don;lt know any, I am sorry.

[dire vigil]

sound effect for enrage drop, sudden death proc, etc

Yeah nvm, between the use of ramp and bloodthirst basically on CD, it's a non-issue lol

[brittle crow]

sudden death proc set to cash register sound for the authentic warrior experience

[dire vigil]

That's what I picked lol

[brittle crow]

execute weakaura gone but not forgotten

[sullen dove]

raging blow

https://tenor.com/view/smoke-pack-packwatch-rip-bozo-gif-17958985278547591441

[sudden tusk]

yeah they actually murdered that talent

[dire vigil]

worth it for better execute and bt

all the reaps are awesome

[sullen dove]

its crazy how they act like any of this is class changes tho

every other expansion oh guys you go from rb being your top number 1 button you slam 5 of them in a row to now bt is that button and you never hit raging blow

the gameplay is very innovative and different

the reap off sd is like the only actually pretty cool thing i think

odyns still needs to give 4 stacks of ww and there is 0 compromise there

feels so goofy to hit odyns then have to ww right after

or anytime near eachother

[dapper goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[indigo arch]

I'm just glad that frenzy no longer requires the same target

That shit was awful

[sullen dove]

o that a thing didnt see that

epic

[brittle crow]

nobody tell my raid lead

im still not swapping off boss

[honest trail]

Same boat

[smoky vale]

griefers

[brittle crow]

parsers

AM punishes downtime im still optimizing my dps by not taking the time to switch

[livid musk]

Hello guys, main warrior fury here. Yesterday we did Dimensius mythic with my guilld, my dps has droped so much since last week and that 12.0.1 patch. Do you think fury still be relevant for high keys and mythic at midnight? Kind of afraid of the fury state at the moment with that patch and knowing that it probably won't change so much at the start of midnight. Is it time to reroll ?

[sly pasture]

I wouldn’t worry too much about pre patch numbers. Midnight we currently look okay at both m+ and raid, not S tier but certainly not bad.

Between now and then end of season 1 blizz will try to tune every class 100 times so pick something that is still fun to you in the bad times that all classes go through except mages.

[jolly marten]

Yeah pick a mage and be safe forever, it’s becoming a meme at this point

Why beta changes are taking so long? Does it mean they are massive or just they had their hands full with the Diablo announcements?

[livid musk]

I should just stop being a pussy honestly and stick with my warrior that I love and fuck the meta. Just playing my war and get better if I'm not meta

[analog matrix]

Agreeing to this, Tuning is about apex Talents and lvl 90 rn, so pre Patch Numbers are not mentionable , with RWF there will be class Tuning Till m+ Release , so just chill and Hope for no more nerfs 🤪

[spiral ether]

i havent read much on the beta, is the rotation still the same as it just became with the new patch? bloodthirst execute and never raging blow?

or is that just a scuffed rpepatch rotation that will change will all talents unlocked

[analog matrix]

Same Rotation as beta yes

[spiral ether]

g r o s s

[analog matrix]

You can see the apex Talents in Talent tree on the Right Side at the bottom and then you know it wont change anything cause its just a buff for rampage

[edgy widget]

Assuming you changed your build from RB -> BT, Slayer damage loss was mostly auto attack damage, which needed to come down
shouldn't worry about it though, prepatch has no relevance to L90 tuning, and there are going to be several more tuning passes behides

[silent swift]

so we're blasting thane atm?

[hot shell]

Right now you can chose, dmg wise they are pretty similar. Thane slightly stronger aoe slayer slightly stronger st