ik mages got neutuerd
#fury
pliant obsidian
im glad the nerfs are now instead of the second week into the season as we did this 1st season
olive wraith
We weren’t really nerfed
pliant obsidian
yes we were bigtime
rare garnet
ik mages got neutuerd
Good. Fk mages. Deserved. Now they can be bored while they top me.
prisma tide
pliant obsidian
3
olive wraith
yes we were bigtime
How big?
olive wraith
Robot people are saying it’s only like 1% nerf
olive wraith
That’s not a real nerf imo
pliant obsidian
it took me 4 item levels to get back to the dps i was pulling in 2nd week
dim crypt
Sorry for what may be a dumb question but why does the wowhead build for fury slayer raid have us spec avatar if we are taking talents linked to bladestorm?
olive wraith
it took me 4 item levels to get back to the dps i was pulling in 2nd week
2nd week of what
pliant obsidian
world within
rare garnet
Whatever nerds you wanna be big let’s play TBC Classic 4 Anniversary 2 together
pliant obsidian
yes
olive wraith
Wdym lol
tidal beacon
how bad are we after the patch?
pliant obsidian
which was rough cuz enchants etc were ungodly expensive in s 1
dim crypt
ah nevermind i see my question was answered already via search my bad
olive wraith
What are you even saying lol
heady cobalt
jolly wind
i miss playing bladestorm
dim crypt
i just found out the answer. apparently the only hero talents you could select all involve bladestorm but blade storm is not currently higher dps than avatar it seems
olive wraith
i just found out the answer. apparently the only hero talents you could select a...
No sorry, I was reference quarter
jolly wind
i hope slayer is best for mplus in midgniht and we play bladestgorm
jolly wind
thane is cool i just miss bladestorming big dam
i think tb is cooler than ww for sure
pliant obsidian
bs got a 30 percent dmg increase and still not viable?
rigid stirrup
Id like to be able to play both depending if one requires more trash dam or boss dam 🤷
olive wraith
bs got a 30 percent dmg increase and still not viable?
In st
pliant obsidian
oh
jolly wind
but in mplus it prob viable
olive wraith
Depends what you mean by viable well
pliant obsidian
opposed to avatar
olive wraith
Like it’s only slightly behind Ava
severe pine
Any idea what the DPS loss is like going from this current bloodthirst-focused build back to the more raging blow-oriented build?
jolly wind
i would just playbs if im player it feels so bad to have hero talents linked to bs and not play it lmao
olive wraith
Any idea what the DPS loss is like going from this current bloodthirst-focused b...
Negligible
jolly wind
slayer
pliant obsidian
with no dmg meters im lost lol
olive wraith
Any idea what the DPS loss is like going from this current bloodthirst-focused b...
Probably a lot. Rb is cooked
severe pine
Like using something as close to last week's build as possible, yeah.
This Bloodthirst one feels shit.
olive wraith
How so
severe pine
I just don't like it being prio over execute and not having stacks to use. Hopefully at 90 it'll feel better.
pliant obsidian
i guess from now until we reach 90 this might not be too bad just hope levelling isnt a headbanging experience
olive wraith
Like you don’t have stacks of bt?
I guess. But using a button with a cooldown ahead of a button with charges makes more sense in my head
severe pine
Yeah, I wish it operated more spammy like RB does.
thorny jewel
I don't understand the new builds. Seems like we lose a lot of deep class talents.
craggy tulip
do i suck or i do significantly less ST damage with M+ build
pliant obsidian
rend is weird it doesnt do bad dmg but where do you put that in a rotation?
olive wraith
rend is weird it doesnt do bad dmg but where do you put that in a rotation?
St or aoe?
And thane or slayer
olive wraith
Can ignore it afaik unless you’re in high target count dungeons
Not every 6 no
Isn’t the bleed 15-16s
olive wraith
Reapply within the last 5 seconds I think
pliant obsidian
gotcha
thorny jewel
<#1234949058121171069>
Ok we'll get Battlefield Commander, Barbaric Training, and 2 points into wild strike at 90,
Seems like a lot of wasted points in the bottom of the tree now though, weee
olive wraith
Ya layout is pretty meh
stoic kindle
Can ignore it afaik unless you’re in high target count dungeons
cant you just multidot with iww and rend?
pliant obsidian
if you also see a lot of talents can be picked for survivabilty as well which might be good for levelling i dunno
pliant obsidian
and its not a mellee ability that can benefit from ww stacks
edgy widget
Any idea what the DPS loss is like going from this current bloodthirst-focused b...
less
olive wraith
Embrace your bt overlord
pliant obsidian
i still want to use longer blades with slow swing speeds but greater aoe range its coming i can feel it lol
edgy widget
after the most recent tuning, it's not really comparable; it's not just BT vs RB damage, but also Reap damage, and RB's only real bonus (Surge) being heavily disincentivized after the AA nerf
olive wraith
i still want to use longer blades with slow swing speeds but greater aoe range i...
You’ll be waiting a long time
They just removed extended melee range this expac
pliant obsidian
nope look at 1 talent that lets you increase your throws by 6 yards its coming
olive wraith
Key word throw
severe pine
after the most recent tuning, it's not really comparable; it's not just BT vs RB...
🙂↕️
pine jetty
these nerfs feel really bad in keys and my haste/gcd feels significantly slower
olive wraith
I don’t think we got haste nerfs
candid sorrel
Technically we lost 1% via talent changes
pine jetty
and 3% dmamge on battle shout aswell
olive wraith
These aren’t from the nerfs so I was confused
pine jetty
These aren’t from the nerfs so I was confused
we are saying alongside the nerfs we lost these things aswell because of talent tree changes
olive wraith
We weren’t really nerfed that much though
The talent restrictions are probably bigger than the nerfs
pine jetty
have you played? as in did you do a key?
mossy pelican
lol
olive wraith
I haven’t. Just saying that the changes are more of a shift than a nerf
rigid stirrup
god i missed reap
pine jetty
We weren’t really nerfed that much though
and if so at what key lvl where packs actually last a little? genuine question
olive wraith
Talent restrictions are worse
rigid stirrup
and if so at what key lvl where packs actually last a little? genuine question
20+ probs rn
pine jetty
I haven’t. Just saying that the changes are more of a shift than a nerf
thats what i thought....do a key and then llets hear your thoughts after, your reading whats on paper and actually feelings the play is totally different especially if you knew what your numbers looked like
undone flower
Did we get haste nerf ?
orchid crag
So with the Slayer changes... anyone gonna level with it or sticking with Thunder Thane?
olive wraith
thats what i thought....do a key and then llets hear your thoughts after, your ...
Are you playing correctly? Do you have the same team pre and post todsy
mossy pelican
oh my lord hahaha
rigid stirrup
So with the Slayer changes... anyone gonna level with it or sticking with Thunde...
i'll swap when i get bored of the one im playing on
pine jetty
Are you playing correctly? Do you have the same team pre and post todsy
i think you need to play before you speak sir. as i said do a key.....
young swan
and 3% dmamge on battle shout aswell
3% attack power*
not damage
insofar as the actual "nerfs" are concerned, it accounts for like -0.5% dps or something
entirely inconsequential
rigid stirrup
3% damage would go too hard
young swan
the loss of the talents is worse
olive wraith
Imagine if someone had said that before xan came
young swan
yeah
undone flower
Insofar
olive wraith
I guess you just need to do a key
young swan
yeah i have no idea what im talking about actually
olive wraith
Clearly
mossy pelican
I think you’re being dense and pedantic
runic acorn
is rend still not worth pressing
olive wraith
is rend still not worth pressing
It’s higher filler than rb
When you need to refresh dot*
young swan
I think you’re being dense and pedantic
its not pedantic if its just wrong
same with the "nerfs" that everyone seems to be huffing and puffing about
runic acorn
When you need to refresh dot*
so you mean for thane or slayer too?
young swan
its still pretty useless
olive wraith
I love when something becomes relevant cause rb gets nerfed to oblivion
🤣
They went too hard on rb
young swan
i think its like still a good button in aoe for slayer
kinda
but like
fuck that lmfao
runic acorn
it got the spotlight for a bit before they killed it at least
young swan
i think its like still a good button in aoe for slayer
sorry this was referring to rend
mossy pelican
its not pedantic if its just wrong
this you?
mossy pelican
Maybe I’m misreading. Chimoox says “these nerfs suck” and we reply “the nerfs aren’t bad we just lost talents”
young swan
yes the nerfs arent discernable and everyone lost talents
literally everyone
it would be incorrect to call that change a nerf
pine jetty
when he said theyre just wrong i was wondering what i said that was wrong
but i just decided to leave it alone
young swan
3% damage isnt correct because attack power isnt 1:1 with damage
mossy pelican
Idk like I just think not reading “nerfs” as “all encompassing changes” feels like engaging in classic pedantry, as I said
olive wraith
Was it technically a nerf? Sure
But it mostly just shifted damage distribution and rotation
pine jetty
3% damage isnt correct because attack power isnt 1:1 with damage
listerally the attack power thing was the only thing that was incorrect and i know its a attack power and not litreal damage but that was just my mistake in typing
but i guess grasping at straws is grasping at straws
anything one can squeeze out....to be "right"
young swan
idk man maybe im just a moron for associating developer intent when I consider the word "nerf", they arent intending for the class to be worse, they are literally just rearranging the damage profile
olive wraith
Im also curious as to how tangible the 1% haste loss is
young swan
its not
olive wraith
Afaik fury doesn’t change that much with today’s build
pine jetty
i also said my haste/gcd feels slower but i guess thats "wrong" to
young swan
i mean i cant think of a reason why that would be the case
just placebo
unless if you unknowingly talented out of frenzied enrage
pine jetty
unless if you unknowingly talented out of frenzied enrage
lemme check that
young swan
anything one can squeeze out....to be "right"
its more than that, theres a myriad of people who will just tab into this channel and read "nerfs" and throw their hands up in a fit
so its moreso about trying to ensure people are getting the correct information so they keep their feelings in their pants than it is about being "right"
light nova
how close in slsayer to thane in m+ in the new patch
dense elbow
Pretty much on top of each other for now. Gotta wait and see how things end up in practical live keys
pine jetty
so its moreso about trying to ensure people are getting the correct information ...
the only thing that was incorrect was the attack power vs dmg on battle shout which i said was just i typed the wrong thing but i know the difference.....and anyone reading that would know what i meant just as you CLEARLY pointed out the difference, how anyone would throw their hands up in a fit about that one typo is beyond me, everything else i said was my opinion based on how the changes felt after doing a key meaning both damage reduction of spells and talent tree changes.
young swan
you would be shocked how little knowledge the average person that uses this discord has
pine jetty
you would be shocked how little knowledge the average person that uses this disc...
yikes
olive wraith
The faq are crazy
How many times have I seen the “why do I take bs talents in slayer tree”
Like i understand being confused at that. But man it’s asked so often
dense elbow
i also said my haste/gcd feels slower but i guess thats "wrong" to
Should not be any changes to your GCD this patch. Compare casts with old logs with new logs to confirm
Maybe you just a bit on the downer and feelings are distorting gameplay experience?
pine jetty
Should not be any changes to your GCD this patch. Compare casts with old logs wi...
maybe but it genuinly feels clunky and slower idk
dense elbow
If ya find a bug, it is neat to nip it in the but now rather than later
pine jetty
even i am doubting that 1 hast from the talent feels so shitty
dense elbow
Well, RB rotation if you played Slayer felt a lot smoother. I can agree, but it isnt slower
pine jetty
nah i played thane
dire vigil
where are we taking the 2 points from to play MT Slayer now?
dense elbow
Then i dont have experience with it, maybe someone else feel the same. But check logs and compare
dire vigil
Enraged regen and what?
summer quail
where are we taking the 2 points from to play MT Slayer now?
can't play both mountain thane and slayer(yes i know you meant multitarget just hate the abbreviation)
dire vigil
can't play both mountain thane and slayer(yes i know you meant multitarget just ...
lmao ok
I want the thunderblast imminent demise build
where can I find that one
dense elbow
Builds are in #updates-midnight
olive wraith
Enraged regen and what?
Probably the rb talent
jolly wind
The nerfs don’t feel bad for thane imo
But the 1% haste nerf is dumb
Cuz u can’t pick that talent
And I can’t get over that talent increase shout duration by 20%
Like what were they thinking when they designed that
olive wraith
They are thinking it’s a tree intended for lv90
summer quail
And I can’t get over that talent increase shout duration by 20%
tbf you take javelineer over it. javelineer strong
silk wharf
Ohhh, it did feel like I lost talent points, because I did.
white gate
Is there any important changes that need to be done to Mountain Thane talent build with the patch?
glad onyx
Hi Skyhold, long time no see. Are we swapping to arms yet?
glad onyx
Lmfao!
echo rapids
Hi Skyhold, long time no see. Are we swapping to arms yet?
Arms? What’s that?
glad onyx
I'm sorry I dinnae know!
olive wraith
Did arms revive the coffin
charred estuary
anyone else using ArcUI for an enrage bar?
mine is erroring out like crazy and I can't seem to find why
feral ivy
wasnt he a fury warrior?
sudden tusk
idk man maybe im just a moron for associating developer intent when I consider t...
i think previously nerfs could have been a way worse indicator, but their balance overall has been very good to the point where i don't really consider it much anymroe
junior gale
hes cool like that he can
olive wraith
Critcake can do anything
feral ivy
if he was alive i would report him
olive wraith
Have you seen the tier list
sudden tusk
critcake 🐐
olive wraith
Since s1
tidal beacon
has anyone simmed the changes
queen flower
so bloodthirst talents for slayer single target are better right now?
young swan
yep
summer quail
where new beta build that will surely move enraged regen. it can take fresh meats spot or something
olive wraith
They’ll slap enraged regen in the third row
And add a talent to the third row class tree
summer quail
as long as we get forced to take it i'm happy
white gate
Does anyone have an update talent tree for MT I can see?
summer quail
wowhead has them
jolly wind
tbf you take javelineer over it. javelineer strong
U can’t take that cuz then I can’t get to the dmg increase 1
U have to take the shitty shout duration 1
Or wait I mean
U can’t get to the haste one and the dmg one
Like the shout duration leads to both the dmg and haste talent nodes
mossy veldt
guys, are we a deadge specc? :_((
jolly wind
So u have to take it
white gate
wowhead has them
Yeah, but its wowhead lol
white gate
I dont see how taking enraged regeneration off is a good thing yet wowhead says go for it
jolly wind
U don’t notice the haste d difference
young swan
guys, are we a deadge specc? :_((
@pine jetty see
jolly wind
Only 1 percent
young swan
guys, are we a deadge specc? :_((
not even close
severe pine
Where is Rend on Slayer Fury's priority list if the target's not already...rended?
young swan
Where is Rend on Slayer Fury's priority list if the target's not already...rende...
above whirlwind and thats it
storm meadow
I dont see how taking enraged regeneration off is a good thing yet wowhead says ...
I think Wowhead optimized for DPS. We're lacking on a few talents point from Midnight's lvl 90
summer quail
U can’t take that cuz then I can’t get to the dmg increase 1
hmh? which damage 1 are you on about? current thane doesn't take the haste talent point anyway
mossy veldt
young swan
or u can just never press it and only lose 0.5% damage
severe pine
Ah.
I'm just a little confused because it's listed as "Use with less than 5 seconds remaining", but it never shows when you would use it the first time.
storm meadow
It's me or the patchnote is bonking us on uncapped AOE ?
young swan
0 is counted as less than 5
grave lark
well, if it's not on, it has 0 seconds remaining
though on a related note, how much dps do i lose if i just dont use it
grave lark
hell yeah
young swan
It's me or the patchnote is bonking us on uncapped AOE ?
thane got bonked a bit yeah
young swan
severe pine
I...like the sound of not using it. Thanks all. 
summer quail
@grave lark this is for st. lose more on aoe, especially on big pulls it's real big
grave lark
in aoe i have thunder clap
young swan
yeah it is unfortunately pretty good in aoe
summer quail
in aoe i have thunder clap
bruh if you were talking about thane from the start then you have 100% uptime anyway....
grave lark
slayer in st
hot shell
One day clap will be uncapped and warrior will be meta 🙏
grave lark
is likely what i'm expecting
jolly wind
hmh? which damage 1 are you on about? current thane doesn't take the haste talen...
Yes u do lol but u can only pick 1 now
Only 1 point
In the haste 1
summer quail
yeah very likely, i heard there are lots of adds in the new raids tho so depending on hp of the adds it might be worth
young swan
One day clap will be uncapped and warrior will be meta 🙏
s3 tww was the closest you will ever get to being meta i fear
severe pine
I don't get what Blizzard's goals are. I thought they wanted to prune and simply the classes, and we got more or less Avatar or Bladestorm and Thunderous Roar removed, and then they replace it with Rend and Wrecking Throw effectively? Could I have Thunderous Roar back instead?
young swan
tbf wrecking throw was basically already there
summer quail
Yes u do lol but u can only pick 1 now
no, you do not. this is for aoe, and yea sure you take 1 point haste in st but that has nothing to do with javelineer?
severe pine
That's fair, I know we're only really using it because the other choices are bad.
dire canyon
anyone knows if simcraft is updated for today's patch?
jolly wind
Omg so now we lose 2 percent haste to pick that mannnnnn
Ok maybe I just play that then
But u lose haste 😢
grave lark
why the hell did they take bladestorm off of anger management again
jolly wind
Cuz blizz detected fun
young swan
why the hell did they take bladestorm off of anger management again
something something restricting design space for slayer/avatar
grave lark
it's on a choice node anyways
grave lark
tame saddle
does reap the storm proc off more than just BT? i was doing the awakening the machine thing and spamming WW with occasional executes and saw a few procs
summer quail
does reap the storm proc off more than just BT? i was doing the awakening the ma...
yes, procs on sudden death
tame saddle
ty
summer quail
guaranteed on sudden death. best change
tame saddle
tooltip just out of date i guess.
until today had exclsuively played thane. saw someone mention that slayer has closed the gap and thought i'd try it. finding it quite fun, but might just be bc it's something new/different
severe wasp
BT feels nice
hot shell
Slayer with bladestorm is probably the most fun warrior
vivid moth
when does one rend?
frank dawn
Never. Make your stand against this worthless rotational maintenance
mossy veldt
@severe wasp got a good build for m+?
severe wasp
<@225676075785519106> got a good build for m+?
Used the Thane one from wowhead
shrewd hill
haha my character is just a blur
queen flower
rend is probably the same upkeep as other dots, waiting for it to be in the last 30% of its duration before reapplying it
young swan
u can just never press it ever in ST and you only lose 0.5% dps
but yeah u would ideally pandemic it
if u are pressing it
its not worth refreshing over any button that isnt named "raging blow" or "whirlwind" tho
echo garnet
Are we still running slayer ST for pre patch?
young swan
thane is only like 1% behind avatar slayer so pick your poison i guess
vivid moth
wild they gave it back and its weak
hot shell
Its their excuse of giving us something that isnt target capped
faint whale
cuz avatar still stronger on pure st than bladestorm
queen flower
ah
faint whale
even with recent buffs to bs
deft palm
still no bladestorm
balmy shore
fury does not feel good inr aid omg......,,,,,,,,
hot shell
We will get some love some day. Eventually. Perhaps.... maybe
zinc python
so for single target were till not taking bladestorm eh?
hot shell
Sadly
young swan
so why would you run avatar on slayer, do you still get blade storm?
because bladestorm sucks
moreso because avatar on AM is insanely strong
but its funnier to say bladestorm sucks
feral ivy
multi raid targets what is best talents?
queen flower
lol
spring fox
RIP raging blow
hallow sphinx
fury does not feel good inr aid omg......,,,,,,,,
big fan
deft palm
RIP raging blow
why do you say that
spring fox
Wowhead rotation is now putting it just above whirlwind. Behind wrecking throw of all things
deft palm
oof
spring fox
Really hope max level fixes the rotation because this feels bad
mystic kayak
Why is reap the storm #2 on mythic saldahaar with no add phase...
echo rapids
We proc it a lot now
mystic kayak
I'm aware
But I would assume my rampage would at least do more damage than that
Life is bad
Apparently oiur dps didn't change much but I am doing WAY less this week
zinc python
if were sticking with slayer for raid cleave are you just using the mythic plus slayer talents or is it better to keep the slayer ST talents and just switch enraged regen with WW?
young swan
u take BS as soon as theres any extra targets
mystic kayak
Also are we overcapping rage right now to use BT/bloodbath/crushing blow before using rampage unless enrage isn't active?
young swan
overcapping isnt a thing anymore
mystic kayak
:nice
God damnit I keep trying to use other emotes
I mean there are times I can easily press BT/BB/CB over rampage and be at 130 furyt
brittle crow
does todays patch change raid build
modest condor
how can you be at 130 fury if you're not playing dh?
brittle crow
for st
young swan
yes and in those cases you should press rampage
tulip sentinel
rend? in my fury? send it back
mystic kayak
how can you be at 130 fury if you're not playing dh?
Ah, rage, sorry.
sullen dove
aha
you said the wrong name for the resource that is incredibly similar to the real name and I will take a jest at you for making such a simple yet irrelevant mistake because you should feel HORRIBLE
modest condor
you know it
echo garnet
Has the wowhead builds been updated?
brittle crow
Has the wowhead builds been updated?
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i think this is right for raid st
echo garnet
Do we press BT on cd now?
glad coyote
slayer yes
hot chasm
probably not possible without weak auras but
is there a better whirlwind tracker? i hate how rampage doesnt consume a stack immediately
feral ivy
Why is reap the storm #2 on mythic saldahaar with no add phase...
how is ur BT so high?? i was throwing mine on cd but it was 6th in line
young swan
is there a better whirlwind tracker? i hate how rampage doesnt consume a stack i...
improved whirlwind tracker on curse
hot chasm
improved whirlwind tracker on curse
does it consume a stack immediately for rampage? cuz otherwise ill just stick with the vanilla buff tracker
young swan
does it consume a stack immediately for rampage? cuz otherwise ill just stick wi...
it does yes
tame saddle
i think this is from senseiclassresource, using the luxthos profiles
faint whale
is there a better whirlwind tracker? i hate how rampage doesnt consume a stack i...
sensei resource bar is also good
mystic kayak
how is ur BT so high?? i was throwing mine on cd but it was 6th in line
Dunno honestly
young swan
sensei resource bar is also good
they use the same tech
faint whale
yes
young swan
in fact, the IWT guy gave the sensei's guy the stuff
young swan
they prob blacklisted the ability
frank summit
did we get gutted? for prepatch
young swan
nope
frank summit
praise the lawd
spring pumice
Yoooo. What happened to our talent tree??? Can't get more than one capstone in main?
tame saddle
gates shifted for higher lvl cap
young swan
gates shifted for higher lvl cap
modest condor
gates shifted for higher lvl cap
frank summit
it got shafted
jagged folio
At least arms is better now right?
young swan
lol
smoky vale
lol
earnest canyon
lol
sudden tusk
faint whale
what shifteD?
nimble kraken
Yoooo. What happened to our talent tree??? Can't get more than one capstone in m...
when midnight drops we'll get 3 more points, which will then let you get the same amount of capstones as before
the 3 pts got moved from the third tier up to tiers 1 and 2 so we have more of the earlier stuff until we get those new points at 90
digital fern
is there a slayer prepatch build with this new update
not sure if had the right one but i was doing better damage with slayer on dummies
autumn token
Is the wowhead talent builds up to date for the new pathc?
frank dawn
is anyone getting awful load times today since the patch
rare garnet
Raging Blow being so low prio is so whack
Make macro change BT to use RB icon and RB to use BT icon
willow cradle
Make macro change BT to use RB icon and RB to use BT icon
Lmao no
mossy pelican
idk about this 1 gang
jolly wind
Fury bad now????!!!
frank dawn
If fury bad now, that means we get buff soon!
autumn token
im so used to RB spam
frank dawn
Yes, yes, very buff
unkempt oasis
RB was a fun button to hit
olive wraith
Do u still use rb over thunder blast or no
Was rb ever higher prio than tb?
jolly wind
In st idk
What bout if u have ww stack in aoe would u rb with ww stack or just tb
Who even knows
olive wraith
Tb has been better than rb
hot shell
Rb is just a filler. Higher prio than tc/ww when having stacks but thats it
olive wraith
That hasn’t changed
fickle stirrup
Are we stronger or weaker compared to last week?
jolly wind
Weaker
olive wraith
Everyone is weaker
olive wraith
No he didn’t
olive wraith
Where
hot shell
Who did
jolly wind
U
olive wraith
hot shell
Yes
olive wraith
I bet wowhead has the answer to tc vs rb prio
jolly wind
Tc nerfed 30 percent now
So gotta be rb with stack over tc
In aoe
In st rb over tb or no?
mossy pelican
mage stonks are way up
olive wraith
Tc nerfed 30 percent now
Tb was nerfed
olive wraith
Due
olive wraith
Maybe go read the prio
jolly wind
Do we reroll slayer now
olive wraith
If you have this many questions lol
jolly wind
I think we reroll slayer
jolly wind
Idk I’m over it
That nerf is too much
And they nerf rampage too
All our dam…..
😢
olive wraith
hot shell
Slayer is about 1% better than thane in ST from what ive read
jolly wind
Ok but mplus tho
deft palm
yo do we suck now?
hot shell
And aoe.. well, not slayer 
deft palm
raging blow does no dmg
jolly wind
Idk
olive wraith
yo do we suck now?
No
jolly wind
Yep they nerf rb too
Why
When bt alrdy did more dam
And they go ahead and nerf rb
Clueless devs
olive wraith
I agree they were heavy handed with rb
native island
Time to reroll then mate
deft palm
never
native island
If you enjoy playing warrior just stay playing warrior
native island
If you’re looking to play the strongest class ever then don’t stay warrior
native island
These nerfs aren’t even THAT bad
deft palm
watch theyre gonna be at the bottom of dps charts
hot shell
If u wanna be meta just play dk or mage. Its meta for the past 10 years
olive wraith
Wasn’t uhdk stupid op?
native island
If u wanna be meta just play dk or mage. Its meta for the past 10 years
Exactly
olive wraith
Did you play frost s3?
olive wraith
Where
native island
Lot of cope rn I’m reading
You’re the one coming in here crying tho. We just enjoy the class
hot shell
Wasn’t uhdk stupid op?
Iirc in the raidtest UH was 12% ahead of every other class. In ST. On an AoE specc. 
jolly wind
But let’s be realistic here
olive wraith
But let’s be realistic here
Yes please let’s be realistic
unkempt oasis
You must rend
hot shell
It less than 1% overall dmg nerf wdym
native island
It less than 1% overall dmg nerf wdym
But let’s be realistic
olive wraith
Be realistic!!!!
hot shell
Realistically the s3 slayer bladestorm ,reaping storm setbonus warr was the most fun warr we will ever have
hot shell
Visually more pleasing than pressing tc/tb every 2nd global
unkempt oasis
I agree with you Drac
olive wraith
I prefer tb>reap fx
unkempt oasis
That is a crazy take
olive wraith
Is it?
jolly wind
I agree with drac
unkempt oasis
Yes
olive wraith
Big lightning blast seems pretty cool’s to me
jolly wind
I like pressing bladestorm and I like reap it looks cool
hot shell
If i wanna hear lightning sound effects i play shaman 
unkempt oasis
Seriously
jolly wind
Preach brother
unkempt oasis
It doesn't even do anything cool
olive wraith
Meh spinning is lame to me
jolly wind
Preach
olive wraith
Oh look I did a twirl
unkempt oasis
More spin is more better
olive wraith
What is this a dance of knives?
olive wraith
What?
jolly wind
Hmmmmm
hot shell
That aside, sound? U dont listen to metal thats heavier than your weaponary?
jolly wind
Could be idk
olive wraith
That aside, sound? U dont listen to metal thats heavier than your weaponary?
The blast has way better sfx
Sonic boom every tb is pure dopamine
hot shell
Not nearly as cool as ivan moody screaming at you while you recreate beyblade moves
olive wraith
Unless you play thane
olive wraith
But ya. They went too hard on rb decrease
olive wraith
Good
unkempt oasis
Never done me wrong
olive wraith
Keep your feet on the ground
unkempt oasis
But heroic leap...
hot shell
Well it always was either BT or RB as prio 1. Nerfing one isnt uncommon
olive wraith
Don’t be unhinged
unkempt oasis
Isn't BT spam like back in S2 of DF?
olive wraith
Well it always was either BT or RB as prio 1. Nerfing one isnt uncommon
Oh ya for sure. But rb being lower than wrecking throw is…. Ouch
olive wraith
Isn't BT spam like back in S2 of DF?
S3
unkempt oasis
It all blends
hot shell
Well i mean... imagine a 45s cd being worse in dmg than rb
unkempt oasis
I guess if a boss has a sheild... we ready
olive wraith
He gains an absorb doesn’t he?
unkempt oasis
Yeah..
hot shell
Ive never played with recking throw and i wont skill it in midnight either, coildnt tell ya
jolly wind
Why
olive wraith
Pretty sure parsers do it
hot shell
Is wrecking affected by ww cleave ?
jolly wind
Idk
olive wraith
No it’s ranged
hot shell
So u dont press it in m+ anyways lol.
olive wraith
It’s filler
hot shell
U just need a point for the armor into str. Might aswell go piercing howl and just forget throw
olive wraith
Sure that’s an option
hot shell
Whats the ST dmg% of throw? If rend is 0.5% or sth i doubt throw is any higher
olive wraith
Oh wait no
It’s berserker shout
Dunno. It’s literally just a filler button for thane
unkempt oasis
Imagine throwing our weapon. Blasphemy.
olive wraith
And a higher filler button for slayer
hot shell
Shouldve just given us skullsplitter smh
olive wraith
You tripping
near gazelle
Are we going Slayer after the patch?
near gazelle
Which one is better atm
olive wraith
For?
elfin hatch
In m+ it's still thane right?
near gazelle
For raid
hot shell
M+ and leveling thane, raid/st slayer
olive wraith
Slayer still has better st
near gazelle
Thank you
olive wraith
Thane has better aoe in keys. Slayer has better st/prio
hot shell
Slayer with Avatar, mind you
olive wraith
This is the correct st
olive wraith
Yes
jolly wind
If I’m playing slayer I’m going bs no doubt in my mind
Idc about what’s better
I refuse to play with redded out talents that won’t work unless u play bs
It feels horrible
Why even bother
hot shell
Oh i agree with you. If i play slayer i NEED bs for the satisfaction
Unless youre a world forst raider or a 0.1% m+ player.. just go with what u wanna play
vocal fog
we playing slayer in all content now?
hot shell
Slayer is only better in single target and thats a small margin
jolly wind
If ur playing slayer in mplus take bs
vernal jungle
Thane is blasting in m+
jolly wind
Thane is ok
I noticed the first pack with lust u can never top do
Dps
Like u don’t have insane aoe burst
hot shell
The longer the fight lasts the better you perform tho. Warr has constant decent damage, and i love it
hot shell
Realistically your "big cd" is around 40s cooldown. So you dont have a burst like other classes
verbal steppe
How many patches we will have until midnight is here? Or how many changes we will have?
olive wraith
How many patches we will have until midnight is here? Or how many changes we wil...
Not many
It’s a few weeks out
jolly wind
Yeah fury feels pretty good gameplay wise
Just a little less fun compared to last ssn
But nowhere near the pruning of other specs
hot shell
U want a challenge? Play enhancer
U wanna chill with 2 buttons? Play hunter
U wanna be a gigachad? Play warrior
jolly wind
Is enhance fast tho like fury?
High apm?
I like high apm specs I want to mask my buttons
Mash
upper mica
so look slike mountain thane is just what we play across the bored currently? even for ST?
verbal steppe
so look slike mountain thane is just what we play across the bored currently? ev...
Imma do that ig
upper mica
yeah looks like no difference between ST or MT now just pure mountain thane no change lol
jolly wind
R u doing keys then play thane prob
olive wraith
so look slike mountain thane is just what we play across the bored currently? ev...
Slayer has better st
hot shell
U have a bunch of abilites with 10-60s cd
olive wraith
If we’re talking apm I believe outlaw is the highest dps apm?
olive wraith
Doubt
jolly wind
I think fury is fastest apm rn for melee dps
U can doubt but outlaw is a lot slower now
olive wraith
Did outlaw lose 12 apm?
hot shell
Its not a lot, just a bit. Still higher than warr tho
jolly wind
Outlaw doesn’t get adr all the time now
It’s slower
U have adr up 30% of the time now
Instead of 80-100
hot shell
Just play tank paladin and break your fingers with all the offgcd abilitys
jolly wind
Prot war is pretty fast too ?
hot shell
Fastest range should be wl at this point eh ?
hot shell
Idk, dont know much about casters. But WL has massive ammounts of instacasts and shadowbolt is like 0.6s casttime
jolly wind
Spriest pretty fast too
hot shell
Who plays spriest when disco is superior
jolly wind
U don’t play voidwesver anymore so it’s boring
hot shell
Dont even know what that means but hey, sounds bad
olive wraith
I think fire mage lost a lot of apm since their combustion windows are shorter?
Not sure if it killed their apm enough to get dethroned
All I know is dev was the lowest apm and probably still the lowest
hot shell
Low apm high dmg sounds like something blizzard does whenever they release something for the first time
tepid dune
What is better hero talent now after 2nd prepatch
fading sky
Balance is same
Mt m+ slayer raid
Slayer m+ improved. And its prepatch so playin both is good.
hot shell
anyone having the actual %dmg difference between slayer and thane m+?
ashen geyser
My blizzard approved damage meter says "Maybe."
hot shell
your what now
covert coyote
The blizzard mandated default damage meter
100% guaranteed to have all the information we need
hot shell
ah, yes. Of course
upper mica
interesting that we run BS over avatar now
indigo arch
First time logging on for the reset and jesus christ why did arcane need this
5 target dummy spiking to and hovering 150k+ with a fucking 130 alt mage
nice1 devs
glad they closely monitored to make sure fury status quo in aoe was kept, though
kind python
For the slayer raid build, are we overcapping rage with bloodbath, crushing blow, execute and bloodthirst?
Like are we spamming those over sending the rampage? Aslong as enrage stays up
ashen geyser
Weird question
Does anyone know why Blizzard made fury have to pick between Avatar and Bladestorm?
Like a genuine answer.
Did they ever give a reason?
Besides "bloat"
Which idk who looked at fury and said "Yeah that's just too many buttons get the milk we got a doozy."
summer urchin
Hmmm you think Astral antenna will be better than most veteran trinkets in midnight?
gusty pagoda
has anyone got a good video of the blood thirst rotation?
craggy heart
Does anyone know why Blizzard made fury have to pick between Avatar and Bladesto...
mountain thane+avatar is quite nice, not beyblade... but zug zug smash stronk
sullen dove
Hmmm you think Astral antenna will be better than most veteran trinkets in midni...
I mean… probably not
it’s just stats and questing gear usually outilvl’s prev expacs final tier mythic ilvl by like lvl x7-x8
and then real max level gear pre raid prolly another 10-20 Ilvl above that
summer urchin
1 orb is 137 crit rating right? And heart of wind or that haste trinket from sylvanas only has 200 rating.
Though alot lower strength on the antenna
sullen dove
ya I mean the constant strength is a huge deal but idk antenna is also not very consistent and reliable, has good moments when a bunch of balls spawn but overall uptime of the buff is prolly pretty low in comparison to normal stat proc trinks
either way more of a question for when the content actually drops but as far as I know almost never is the last xpac mythic gear better than whatever you can get at max lvl of fresh expac
summer urchin
Okok
sullen dove
whether they have to force shut off some op items like gavel behind a level restriction which sometimes happens but not often, generally just a question of how much more stats new stuff has which is a lot more most of the time
pallid barn
i have no idea what happened in the patch but i currently do no damage from last week to this week in raid xd
heavy dock
Does anyone know why Blizzard made fury have to pick between Avatar and Bladesto...
prob cuz avatar = than / bstorm = slayer
but it ended up avatar = both xd
jolly wind
It’s a tuning issue
Bladestorm needs to pump harder
Personally if I’m playing slayer I’m going to pick bladestorm everytime idc what wowhead tells me
cobalt kernel
so youre going to lose out on st because you think you know better ?
jolly wind
Bro u think I care about st if im doing mplus and playing slayer I will pick bs always
cobalt kernel
in raid
cobalt kernel
high sedge
🥀
hushed ocean
do you guys have some random issue with reap animation? sometimes it does not animate properly, the char appears to be frozen for like 2s
more accurate : the idle animation sometime freeze after reap the storm animate, especially reap trigger from BT
jade cipher
i hope they redesign rampaging ruin
goes against everything fury stands for, haha
even if you put aside its weird interaction with thane its still bad, take current season for example, you use this in a dungeon like gambit with lots off adds to do aoe damage. you reach first boss and everytime you use whilrwind to cleave on useless boss adds you lose single target damage. idk how this talent supposed to work while in many cases people pull boss with adds
its like arms choosing between cleave and other single target abilities, but worse because with fury. using rampage is not optional
deft palm
when do we rend?
jade cipher
if talented, same as arms, at start and under 4seconds remaining duration
its better if you rend after charge and not during cds
charge>rend> recklessness avatar odyns fury > etc
native island
the m+ thane build is still the recco right?
jade cipher
yeah. untill we get all bldaestorm talents, slayer is out of question
sullen cloak
Hey guys with new changes and build do we prioritise Bloodbath and Bloodthirst over Raging blow
dense elbow
Yep, RB is the lowest filler atm
jade cipher
bladestorm is removing whirlwind stacks per bloodthirst, does BT from Bs hit in aoe now?
mossy veldt
yoyo, do we cancelaura tb stacks?
onyx belfry
it feels like fury is completly broken tbh
glad coyote
yall playing thane for slayer?
somber thicket
Fury at 90 is doing good dmg. On beta we are doing 15-16 with no problem. Just w8 for midnight
deft palm
rend > RB for prio?
frank dawn
bladestorm is removing whirlwind stacks per bloodthirst, does BT from Bs hit in ...
Are you using the addon? I think it’s a bug with the addon
junior oyster
do you guys have some random issue with reap animation? sometimes it does not an...
this happens to me like every 4th time I press rampage lol
jade cipher
Are you using the addon? I think it’s a bug with the addon
i am using the addon
faint whale
yoyo, do we cancelaura tb stacks?
no
frank dawn
i am using the addon
I’d be curious if you look at your buff bar at the top of the screen if it’s different from what the addon shows you
jade cipher
i did after you said itmight be addon the first time. and it was indeed the addon
pulsar prawn
why tf is interpose a location spell and not a target spell ..
eager thorn
yoyo, do we cancelaura tb stacks?
No you still want it for lightning strikes/ava extension
rare garnet
Yep, RB is the lowest filler atm
Not sure it can even technically be called a filler if WW is above it and has no cooldown… it’s just not even on the list yeah? Benched.
dense elbow
Played the BT heavy build, and I must say, the reap animations being delayed really makes it look aweful
frank dawn
Are they? I thought only the SD ones had a delay
The SD one has whatever coding they used for RB in S3 but BT reaps still felt pretty instant
dense elbow
fair, mainly the impact of seeing one go off and other one be delayed
frank dawn
Yeah totally fair. It is awkward
dense elbow
I see the reap animation go off, as I press another button, my brain going "pattern is wrong here"
guess I am actually quite aware of the visual and SFX feedback the game gives
and when it is off, it really is a mindscratcher
frank dawn
In RB case it almost sense due to the double swing animation that led into reap
But execute has a faster animation
dense elbow
You mean SD, I presume
frank dawn
Well SD using execute, whatever
dense elbow
ye, I just dont like that, better if they just had reap overwrite the animation or make an OG animation for it
it feels weird having reap going over my rampage animation
frank dawn
Yeah I don’t disagree
ancient olive
do we have a channel that has builds that are currently being used in pre patch?
dense elbow
ancient olive
thank you
I may just be being a dumb chud but the builds I keep seeing use bladestorm talents in slayer but don't take bladestorm
can anyone help me understand this
frank dawn
It’s a single target only thing
dense elbow
On ST BS is just lower value
frank dawn
Bladestorm just ain’t good on ST
dense elbow
Hard to beat 20 sec of 20% dam, in value
ancient olive
so they're being taken just to bc u gotta take a point basically
dense elbow
WHEN THEY DONT WANT THE BUTTON TO BURST
ancient olive
to reach later points
dense elbow
Yeah, rest are just filler points in the slayer tree
ancient olive
I see
hardy vault
Hello, with the new patch, we don't care if rage =130 ? bt > rampage still ?
verbal steppe
so when midnight will drop from where should i get my talents? wowhead/icy veins/archon?
thick fossil
Do we tell em?
thick fossil
For the most part they all come from the same source.
turbid bay
thick fossil
This discord will have the foundation of what you find on WoWhead and Icy Veins. You will also find a lot of experimental stuff here as well.
Things that are either very niche builds, or meme builds for fun.
Builds either prove to be something good, or get laughed into the ether.
hardy vault
With the newt patch, on Slayer ST, we don't care if we over rage ? For example, just spam Bloodbath, execute, crushing blow, even if we are 130 rage ?
echo rapids
Honestly just play bladestorm. It’s better in m+, will almost certainly be the play in actual midnight, and is better for all the raid fights with adds
undone quartz
thunderclap seems much stronger than blast.. eh?
summer quail
thunderclap seems much stronger than blast.. eh?
Well no, it does a tiny tiny bit more on aoe but blast has guaranteed lightning strike
undone quartz
fair. mostly just seeing Tclap doing 8k with enrage and blast is doing 5.6k. will be keying later to see whats up. just dummies so far.. life and all 😄
digital ore
Are we dooming chat?
undone quartz
we is inclusive. i am no included in that
rugged dove
i wish bliz had more warrior love
smoky vale
digital ore
I posted a RIP fury gif somewhere in here a while back
smoky vale
do from: name :has
digital ore
Tuning and everything aside, I just think making Avatar and Bladestorm choice nodes is so unhinged.
rugged dove
i just wish frenzied regen was base fury it feels so weird having to either give up damage or a defensive
bitter palm
<:reapnostorm:1451336423453233406>
u will obtain skyreaver
and the curse will be no reap procs
digital ore
Illusion of choice because you will always want Avatar for Thane and BS for Slayer no?
smoky vale
u will obtain skyreaver
2pauck will ahunt you
digital ore
i just wish frenzied regen was base fury it feels so weird having to either give...
Oh this too. And root now being a hard cc on warrior.
smoky vale
Oh this too. And root now being a hard cc on warrior.
slayer talent negates it
thick fossil
Illusion of choice because you will always want Avatar for Thane and BS for Slay...
That was most likely their design concept. Though ST slayer vs Thane ST. Well, a lot of issues there.
smoky vale
bitter palm
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/965371616269848578/1322632669720481897/ma...
elite ball knowledge
minecraft server
smoky vale
@eternal sundial sorry for typing the evil word my emotions took the better of me i apologize
bitter palm
@eternal sundial sorry for typing the evil word my emotions took the better of me i apologize
thick fossil
Oh no....
digital ore
Any warrior who I can DM for some questions? I don't wanna spam shit in here
bitter palm
spam it here
digital ore
Nah people get upset if you ask fury questions in the fury channel
remote bobcat
spam it here.
bitter palm
theyre dented
remote bobcat
If they're good willed honest questions then you will get great answers
digital ore
I didn't play much since the last 2 rounds of prepatch changes so I wanna learn how much has changed and if the guides on wowhead/icy veins are up to date.
remote bobcat
and more people able to answer = benefit to you and other players seeing the answers
digital ore
Saw that Archi isn't minmaxing this prepatch with reduced left tree talents so was curious where to look
mossy pelican
zzz
craggy heart
big question for new talents, 2 points on dual weild, 2 points on wild strikes or 1 on each
smoky vale
spam it here.
smoky vale
big question for new talents, 2 points on dual weild, 2 points on wild strikes o...
you have to drop points somehwere else
remote bobcat
I didn't play much since the last 2 rounds of prepatch changes so I wanna learn ...
It's up to date, but it's not crazy optimized due to the that energy going towards midnight itself
smoky vale
why would you want some yuck pvp talent
bitter palm
why would you want some yuck pvp talent
okay buddy
relax
calling dragon charge yuck
digital ore
Yeah I get that, I just wanna know what's best right now because I'll be trying to kill Dimi soon and want to set something relevant up
bitter palm
u never played it in eye of the storm
craggy heart
you have to drop points somehwere else
cant?
smoky vale
being reliant on the enemh to position vs full control of where you want to go
digital ore
Dragon Charge is peak warrior tho
smoky vale
yeah i also dont pvp but got 2400
bitter palm
factual information
smoky vale
pisslow gamemode
digital ore
ez
Speaking of they die or you die, new talent seems so fucking ass backwards designed that I've not seen anyone pick it but some random warrior in AV egbg that did nothing with it
remote bobcat
Yeah I get that, I just wanna know what's best right now because I'll be trying ...
bet.
You wanna play slayer on most, if not all fights.
Both Slayer and Thane currently prio BT over RB.
The talents shown on wowhead are up to date
bitter palm
bro ion know im not subbed cause its prepatch
im not wasting time playing prepatch
beta is where its at
smoky vale
digital ore
bet.
You wanna play slayer on most, if not all fights.
Both Slayer and Thane cu...
Thanks, enough info for me to go off of
So just mash BT any time it's up?
smoky vale
if you oress every button on cd
eternal sundial
@eternal sundial sorry for typing the evil word my emotions took the better of me i apologize
smoky vale
you will beat most people
coarse nest
remote bobcat
im not wasting time playing prepatch
ngl coner this is kinda doomer mentality "its only worth playing when something is on the line"... like big dawg don't you like the game itself without prog? 🙏 🙏
digital ore
I noticed fucking around with training dummies that my rage gen is slower than it was before prepatch. Is this a thing or I'm just not playing the patch properly?
bitter palm
ngl coner this is kinda doomer mentality "its only worth playing when something ...
no
if my class played well id play it more
coarse nest
<@224952758808215555> were you there for the pauckening
Per chance
remote bobcat
So just mash BT any time it's up?
odyns fury better than execute better than bt
smoky vale
Per chance
smoky vale
1
bitter palm
bb>odyns is xaxaax moment
remote bobcat
if my class played well id play it more
based
digital ore
odyns fury better than execute better than bt
We still don't pick BS even as slayer?
smoky vale
We still don't pick BS even as slayer?
no
remote bobcat
bb>odyns is xaxaax moment
ikr
digital ore
Cringe ass talent design, but thanks for the info
remote bobcat
We still don't pick BS even as slayer?
no because anger management + avatar outvalues all the slayer bladestorm interactions
smoky vale
Cringe ass talent design, but thanks for the info
its only in st though
craggy heart
if thats what youre asking
yeah finally updated, cheers I was going mad. Fukcing blizzard they hate our zug zugs
bitter palm
one day they will realize