fury

[sullen dove]

yea i dont think theres like a lot of instances of play like that in wow

ig maybe unless ur like wf competing or something and your damage actually matters alot more

[eternal sundial]

Especially not with the spec reworked

[sullen dove]

perfect execution and all that

[eternal sundial]

If you didnt cast your surge directly on the inversion you had an X% chance to lose 30% dps during the damage amp

[sullen dove]

only thing in recent memory that was like "somewhat fun and engaging" rotation stuff for fury i think was like dropping the balls on smolderon out far and getting the dmg buff later with cds

[eternal sundial]

The RWF damage fiending is so obscene man

[sullen dove]

but that wasnt like gamebreaking difficulty or anything

just fun tidbit

[eternal sundial]

When the boss is at 10% on enrage and you cant just outgear

[sullen dove]

everything else is pmuch just like hold aoe burst for adds/dmg amp phase or just slam shit on cd

[eternal sundial]

But who experiences that

[sullen dove]

yea

[eternal sundial]

I also think that's far above my level so im glad i dont do that

[sullen dove]

but i think like at least what i experienced in wow (being in a mid ass guild and all) like towards the end of a prog on a boss i think i feel a similar level of like "zombieness" playing both games like just mindlessly doing my rotation and doing at this point pretty easy boss mechanics since youve seen em so much, but like ff i feel like i still have to somewhat think about the order of my spells and have to plan ahead and be bit more like a robot vs wow is just mash anything and everything and it doesnt matter just have your own cd for when you want to use it for max dmg damage checks are mostly irrelevant

think i just dont have to try as hard in wow

but it was kinda crazy today our group on tyrant like did arena perfectly first pull first try and then like 80% of the time we got there we just cleared it

still some random early wipes ofc cuz why not but like actual mechanical titans on doing arena

just still no kills cuz deaths on stampede or just couple dmg downs and shit

also the concept of damage down and weakness is really annoying in ff too

[eternal sundial]

The point in prog where it's weve seen it all, done it all right just lock in is so unfun with worse guilds

[sullen dove]

it would maybe be too easy since theres no real drawback to being able to infinitely be rezzed in combat just a rly long healer cast time but like it just feels so cringe and annoying to just do less damage when you fail a mechanic

[eternal sundial]

Was alright with the last guild i played in before Quittung

[sullen dove]

rather take the vuln stack

[eternal sundial]

But before Jesus Christ

Fight is done pull 200 fight is killed pull 400

[sullen dove]

yea thats like one of the worst feelings in wow

[eternal sundial]

Maybe it's bad previous exp

[sullen dove]

having the fight figured out by pull 100 and having to wait until everyone else figures it out at pull 500

[eternal sundial]

But i did 555 on sark

[sullen dove]

think i got 620 something on dimensius

[eternal sundial]

Cuz the mage had the wrong block talent for 200 pulls

Changed it

Pull 300 he blocks off the bomb he's supposed to hold

[sullen dove]

nvm 664 dimensius

[eternal sundial]

Cuz he thinks he has DR Block

[sullen dove]

did not beat the 676 fyrakk but quite close

[eternal sundial]

Wipes kill pull

[eternal sundial]

That's fucking WILD

[sullen dove]

its weird how fyrakk didnt feel as bad as dimensius

maybe cuz that fight was like still supposedly pretty fuckin hard even at the end of the tier

[eternal sundial]

Fyrakk P3 was really cool

[sullen dove]

like riddled with random group wipes

[eternal sundial]

Hated P2

[sullen dove]

but dimensius just felt like a copout

[eternal sundial]

I had no impact beyond damage

[sullen dove]

idk how people spent so long dying to nothing on that fight

idk p2 was fun cuz padding

but yea didnt really matter

[eternal sundial]

I sure hope my evoker and dk do they job

Or the healers do stuff

[sullen dove]

i was also the last seedholder on fyrakk

so that was fun

[eternal sundial]

The ONLY thing i didnt want

Was to get stunned on the first set with fury cds

[sullen dove]

carried that thing like it was my baby for 3 min

[eternal sundial]

But man the fyrakk fury iteration was grand

Probably the best one i got to play

(itd gain even more style points with the shaman raidbuff)

[sullen dove]

idk amirdrassil fury was epic but think s1/s3 this xpac were pretty damn phenomenal too

s2 boring as shit who cares

[eternal sundial]

S2 was fun on the endboss specifically

S1 i didnt really fw

[sullen dove]

gally was just a target dummy

[eternal sundial]

OH this expac

No idea lmao

[sullen dove]

yea

s2 was just arms moment

cranked sark p3

that was fun

s1 i think was a who cares

vault

[eternal sundial]

S1 was crushing blow

[sullen dove]

not the whole s1 no

[tidal beacon]

maybe im just trash at the spec but i feel like that auto attack cut is gonna hurt this was on a boss in a 13

[eternal sundial]

The part i remember

[sullen dove]

when am buffed that was better? or still RA fo rst

[sullen dove]

havent looked at it all but psure more stuff is getting buffed

along with aa nerf

[eternal sundial]

Yoh have to pretend it's going to be rebalanced

[sullen dove]

but either way like still random prepatch tuning doesnt really matter

[eternal sundial]

Youll end same dps

But more impact on pressed buttons

Allegedly

[tidal beacon]

feels like we are cooked looking at those 2 lol

[sullen dove]

those 2 wot

[eternal sundial]

Those 2 idiots in fury Chat (you and me 🤝)

[sullen dove]

https://tenor.com/view/bornskywalker-dap-me-up-woody-woody-handshake-woody-toy-story-gif-26021440

[sudden tusk]

u got a fren in me

[eternal sundial]

Sat on the toy again ffs

[sudden tusk]

bro idk what they did but the gif search is awful now

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cam-cat-camera-cat-wide-cat-wide-gif-16729570673879006163

[dense elbow]

It changed from tenor to giphy

[tidal beacon]

when do apex talents come out

[sudden tusk]

26th

[eternal sundial]

I need to figure out how i get my discord gifs on teams

https://tenor.com/view/dominican-papi-dominican-papi-i-no-black-funny-gif-3577927707021252952

This is important for work as you can see

[sudden tusk]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1212528993283088384/1228863090368450592/ezgif-2-db49a54415.gif

[smoky vale]

man i see so many people dressed like this daily its crazy

[obtuse sentinel]

What’s everyone’s ilvl on their warrior?

[dense elbow]

170? 169 at least, i would presume

[eternal sundial]

I no dominican paapi

[pure echo]

Did something change with pathing in talent trees? I see this listed as the new build we want to be running after reset, but I can get more bottom row talents now as shown

Here

And with the changes wouldn’t battlefield commander still be pretty strong? I feel like something must’ve broken on wowhead’s talent calc that’s making you take more top row talents to path below.

[warm crag]

Headsets bounce towards targets

[sullen dove]

idk what the first pic is from but yea can see a lot more random talents picked earlier rather than later between the two , I don’t imagine they’re absolutely required tho unless something weird happened

Like interpose, 2nd wind, whatever is under pain and gain, wrecking throw

would think u can get rid of what u don’t need and pick more of the better talents at the bottom

[sudden tusk]

you need more points to unlock the last row with the update

to support the new talents

so they are scuffed as fuck til midnight

[sullen dove]

[pure echo]

Wowhead lmao. I went to the wowhead talent calc to check for myself and for some reason it forced me to take a bunch of upper talents to get the lower ones.

Oh that’s stupid but whatever.

Guess I’ll be sad I won’t have 3% more ap and possibly better def stance until then

[sudden tusk]

idk games hard afk simulator til EA

feels weird i basically wont be taking any time off til mythic week

[sullen dove]

knuckle duckle is a duck with knuckles

[sudden tusk]

the heck

[sullen dove]

5:40 and not sleepy for some reason…. Not ideal…

maybe I q for last minute m11 if reset hasn’t happened yet since it’s like noon in eu time… tho idk when reset is tbf…

[high sedge]

smoredish

[sullen dove]

oasismish

guess reset happened o well

[sudden tusk]

yeah i think reset is 4 am est

[sullen dove]

is it like global

or still region by region

[earnest canyon]

do some jumpink jacks and drink some vodka

[sullen dove]

i respectfully decline

[sudden tusk]

global p sure

[sullen dove]

thought found funny bug this circlet gem shows 8k stamina which is like the amount i currently have but when i put it on it gets brought down to like 120 stam

but taking it off goes back to showing 8k

quizzical

[high sedge]

gets scaled down with the ring ilvl prob

i hope they dont do that ring with socket shit anymore

[storm meadow]

This morning I tried tanking as Fury. Managed to get to +7s without too many hiccups. Was very fun to build and experiment, I recommend !

[plush maple]

I liked it, I want more borrowed power items like ring, belt and legendaries they make game more interesting

[high sedge]

farming shit every week for 3ilvl on a stat stick isnt it for me

[plush maple]

Only way they’d suck is a bad grind

[plush maple]

It was a weekly atleast but yeah can be annoying if it isn’t fun to do

[high sedge]

they dont really monitor the gems

balance isnt good

the mastery one for exemple was bis for almost all specs

[plush maple]

[high sedge]

zzz

whats the point of having so many choices if some options are massively behind

[plush maple]

They might never be able to balance the game, I forgot how it was with the mechagon trinket in BFA with the punch cards, I remember you used laser for single target and mastery/haste for anything else

[high sedge]

i dont really like the ring for that, or the belt even, you just end up having more chores on reset for an item that only has one combination of things playable on it for your class

there is no flavour and it adds a weekly chore on top of crests

[plush maple]

Fair but having ring, as an example, with specific combination is the flavor to the overall gameplay just like tier sets while tiersets is gameplay defining is some cases

[high sedge]

i'd rather have a new ring than another turbo boost because there is a small chance it has favor but its not by much

[heavy dock]

you know they will

they will make island of shitpoop where threat number X spawns and we will get a timegated ilvl ring

[high sedge]

i just hope they dont bring back turbo boost

[heavy dock]

with 'effect's gems

[high sedge]

i can take the shit socket item

[heavy dock]

i thought people enjoyed turbo boost?

[high sedge]

but please no more turbo boost

[radiant sentinel]

i'd be surprised if turbo boost doesn't come back

[heavy dock]

i heard good stuff about it

[high sedge]

:xd:

[heavy dock]

tho i generally stop playing at that point

whats wrong with it?

[honest trail]

Makes everything easier passively

Which just feels bad

[high sedge]

it makes farm more miserable, makes me not want to push higher keys cuz its going to invalidate my previous progress

[honest trail]

You kill things not by improving

And anything done before is irrelevant

[high sedge]

like you randomly jump 2 level of keys

[honest trail]

As an achievement

[heavy dock]

i think its fine, allows more people to get into stuff and by that time mythic progress is already done for most good players, so who didnt get it get a boost

[high sedge]

cant imagine what ppl are going thru if turboboost hits before they end myth prog

[heavy dock]

to complete it

[high sedge]

but must feel like you are cheating it or smth

[honest trail]

Also allows for people to buy boost to get easy BiS gear

[honest trail]

It does

[heavy dock]

but that always happens

[high sedge]

HoF nerfs and more ilvl

[heavy dock]

with or without boost

[heavy dock]

i really doubt ppl who didnt finish mythic prog by turbo boost care that much dude

[honest trail]

Less so without merchants

[warm crag]

they almost always couple this with insane nerfs to any of the raid content so they effectively triple nerf raid at the same time to the point its lobotomized

[heavy dock]

im sure they arent devastated that the fights got a bit easier

[high sedge]

yeah maybe they dont, but idk how to feel with the double slash into myth prog at the same moment, didnt really affect my guild the last 2 seasons

[heavy dock]

i mean good, doesnt turbo boost happen like 3-4 months into a season?

[high sedge]

but i know ppl would have been pissed if killed after nerfs

[honest trail]

Good players =//= good guilds.

Raid fights aren't the hardest part of raiding

[heavy dock]

i know

[high sedge]

when you spend 200+pulls on a boss and you get to kill it the reset they nerf it

[heavy dock]

mythic isnt fundamentally hard

[high sedge]

doesnt feel very good

[honest trail]

Finding and keeping the right people are

[heavy dock]

its hard to guide the 20 monkeys having to solve a puzzle together

and play perfectly

for 15min

[honest trail]

I consider myself more than good enough for CE but never got any cause I only have 1 expa of experience + refusing to depend on addon to prog

So turbo boost was just the worst

Every single time

[heavy dock]

i think you have a slight elitism problem ngl

[honest trail]

Bosses just died for no reason

[honest trail]

Probably

[heavy dock]

now is the expac for you then, no more addons

to help prog

[honest trail]

Yeah

Very excited

[warm crag]

Clueless

[heavy dock]

but considering the raids we have had in the past its absolutely impossible to do without some weakauras, raid managing addons, unless you have a raid lead who can speak at 10 words/second

[heavy dock]

im sure people will find a way ofc

[honest trail]

Past is the past

Ppl using addons for NK and Dimmy was a joke

But nevermind

[heavy dock]

it cuts a lot of mistakes

[honest trail]

I agree with the no Turbo Boost point xD

[high sedge]

NK didnt need WA

Dimmy its w/e i see it for p1 but other than that

[heavy dock]

nameless king doesnt indeed

now have fun doing mythic neltharion in aberrus without w/a

atleast from what i remember that fight had a wa that drew a map on your screen lol

[honest trail]

Won't argue on stuff I haven't experienced

[heavy dock]

and im currently raiding full hc in mop throne of thunder and some fights without addons/wa would just be plain annoying to navigate

more than interesting

[quiet swallow]

Has anyone done the math for fury of how much of a DPS nerf% it is?

[high sedge]

either way, to stay back on the turboboost i'd rather have them increase the raid % buff than +6ilvl everyone

[heavy dock]

its most likely gonna happen again

but lets see, this expansion is the expansion for worst decisions made in this game

im expecting midnight to flop

happy to be proven wrong tho but i have very low expectations

[high sedge]

they have had good ideas just poor execution

[heavy dock]

as per usual

[high sedge]

yeah

[heavy dock]

removing dps meter to give us ancient artefact that people already made in 2004

that has to be the funniest shit ever tho

im honestly surprised they didnt directly hire/interview these big addon creators like for plater/wa/dbm/bigwigs/details to ask them stuff

[high sedge]

there wasnt an other way to remove computational WA than killing the acces to the fightlog

[heavy dock]

that they have been providing 10x better than blizz for years, decades even

[high sedge]

same but ig they were like, if those ppl did it why not us

[heavy dock]

cuz you are incompetent thats why

[high sedge]

turns out you cannot really compete with years of experience with only a few months of work

[heavy dock]

pretty much

but its not like they had examples for the past 15 years

why not have some people look into those for 2 years and stay silent then anounce it

plot twist they actually did it but it still came out like it did

[high sedge]

timing and communication wasnt it

on top of the decision itself not making much sense

well at last we'll see if the game recovers

[oblique thistle]

The answer is because blizzard was never going to be able to compete, blizzard's default UI could have all kinds of features and people would still ignore them and download addons

[heavy dock]

if the features looked good/ were customizable im sure it wouldnt be the case

doesnt help that wow has had insanely barebones ui for the longest time till very recently

[oblique thistle]

Which is why the goal was never to completely remove addons, the goal was to kill computational addons

[heavy dock]

addons are baked into wow's existence

whether blizz likes it or not

[oblique thistle]

Right

Again, thats why the goal wasnt to remove them but to get rid of computational stuff

[heavy dock]

it just kinda sucks we lost the whole of WA, since there was a lot of cool stuff you could've done outside of combat with it

and a lot i was using it too, like for crafting too

but other addons will more than likely fill that gap

[high sedge]

by removing the stuff that made computional things possible (conditions on aura and w/e) they effectively killed customization of those things

[oblique thistle]

Not entirely

There are addons that exist that allow further customization than the base UI

[high sedge]

cuz how tf do you customize enrage if you cannot know which buff is enrage

only thru cdm you can do smth

and its buggy

[heavy dock]

its honestly crazy to me we still dont have a default setting that allows us to move our windows

we need an addon for it

[oblique thistle]

And there are addons that let you customize cdm

[high sedge]

yeah but you have to do it all thru cdm and dont really have a hand on what you want

[boreal solstice]

Not that it particularly matters in pre patch, but what kind of a decrease would running thane be in single target vs slayer.. Like 5-15%ish or more?

[oblique thistle]

Aren't cdm addons capable of showing things that cdm doesn't show? Like I've seen people use addons to make their UIs look almost completely identical to how they looked before prepatch

Is it as good completely? No
Is it extremely close? From what I've seen yes

[high sedge]

yeah it works but did they really need to make personal auras private

not really

[heavy dock]

They hate healers

[oblique thistle]

I mean they kind of did, if the goal was to prevent addons from telling you when the correct time to press a button was
Like if personal auras weren't secret values then we could totally have an addon that played a sound alert when its time to press a specific button based on if you have x stacks of this and y stacks of that

[high sedge]

but the whole "addons from telling you when the correct time to press a button was" is nonesense since they made changes to spec in order for it not to happen again

[oblique thistle]

It future proofs the problem

[high sedge]

they could future proof it

by making good class design

instead of doing this

if your class has a proc that is unclear to use

the solution isnt to nuke the thing helping you to know when to use it

its to change the proc to be clear to use

just like execute proc you shouldnt think about the stacks on your target

just press the button when its up

[oblique thistle]

I think the idea is that if a class has a proc or a talent that isn't clear to use, then it should be a matter of skill expression rather than boiling it down to a UI telling you when or how to use it

[high sedge]

having a WA that tells you to press exec isnt the issue the problem was the proc had a weird spot where it wasnt strong enough on its own and had other shit baked with it

[oblique thistle]

Its a good thing execute behaves like this now at least

[rare garnet]

They made everything more convoluted and annoying for the player to get access to information so on 1 raid fight each tier 1% of the population doesn’t utilize an aura to trivialize the fight. They could have simplified classes without needing to upend the user experience and 99 people suffering so 1 person has a slightly more difficult experience was an aweful experience and I’m not getting gaslit by blizzard that this was needed.

[high sedge]

yeah pretty much

[rare garnet]

I was on the yea change it team until they walked back half their changes, made no updates to the default UI, and allowed addons to still accomplish 99% of what they could just in a more obnoxious way that’s harder for your average player to get access to. Addons are still required but getting there is 10x annoying and pushes uninformed players even further away.

[high sedge]

the class simplification was enough for rotational computation and making the user experience worse for it made no sense

[heavy dock]

It also helps to not have 50 procs and 50 different little buffs that might or not need tracking

[high sedge]

they could have found a better way to make raid computation not a thing rather than making everything less good in the process

[heavy dock]

Nah its blizz they cant

Everything at once or nothing at all

[rare garnet]

You can’t mob color nameplates. Raid addons like Northern Sky exit. Nameplate cast bar coloration based on if your kick is available. The complexity of adjustments that things like ArcUI can do. Their entire stated goal is a flop. Not even considering the rotation assist and single button assist… we will see with the sims when they’re out but from some testing it seems like it’s not going to be even a half decent tool to support onboarding players. I mean, it tells players to slam rend as the highest priority slayer button. 8 mobs and 9 have the bleed, you better rend not BS. None of what they’ve done has been good and they’ve failed nearly every metric except limiting how easy a single mythic boss a tier might be.

[high sedge]

and you cannot blacklist debuffs on nameplates

just of bunch of qol went to the garbage bin

[dense elbow]

You are just mad cause the game doesnt play itself anymore. Seethe and cope LoL scripting Shaco

[high sedge]

true...

🧎‍♂️

[desert dirge]

I had the lovely experience in manaforge of approaching a raid boss and waiting 20 minutes while our raid leader configured addons, scripts and everything else.

It was turbo ass.

Down to the timing on the healing cooldowns.

All this shit can burn lol

All for my screen to say "move to triangle now"

[fast mural]

i expect things are gonna be even more cringe now

[desert dirge]

I'm fine with hekili playing to the lowest common denominator "time to cast execute uwu" but if you're in a mythic raid group you should have some comprehension of boss mechanics.

[fast mural]

surely we wont download an addon for a single mechanic and every single person has to configure it themselfs

i would have loved a world where litterly no addons exist but blizz had to cave

[high sedge]

that will be the case either way

[desert dirge]

I'm fine with addons but I don't want the game reduced to a series of basic input commands in the name of "reducing coggy load"

[high sedge]

well even as a dps you should know when to press your cooldowns

but as a healer its mostly preplanned

[fast mural]

unless you push early on dimmi

[desert dirge]

I need an addon that tells me exactly which key to press like it's Mavis beacon teaches typing

[light nova]

after patch, is slayer the play for m+?

[high sedge]

we are talking prog, but then again reclear has its timing too even if more forgiving

[livid arch]

No

[fast mural]

are you telling me you didnt have to hold dmg during prog ?

tbf it was because both dps and healer CDs

but healer CDs are a bigger issue

[high sedge]

yeah we did hold thats the whole point of preplanning cds

thats why im saying it will still be a thing

[fast mural]

i actually dont know if healer CDs are as strong now

[high sedge]

during prog you couldnt skip enough of p1 to make up for the cds

my guild prog atleast

[fast mural]

we are talking about the same thing
i was saying if you push early all that preplanning goes out of the window

cause the timers are off

[high sedge]

yep

[fast mural]

i just hope they either dont make phase transitions based on hp% or make healer CDs not gonna be as important

[high sedge]

cant place myself into healer shoes but in my guild they like to preplan things and having cds that arent strong doesnt feel very good regardless of your role

[summer quail]

idk how you can do that second part without making healers feel like shit

[fast mural]

more rot dmg less dmg spikes/oneshots

even then its gonna be pre planned but at least more wiggle room with the timings

[keen ferry]

Tried to search in chat and check stickies but can't find anything. How much worse is powerful enrage?

[dense elbow]

Depends on your stats

[keen ferry]

I can work with that, I assume not the end of the world then.

I just want to save my fingers

(I understand the irony of this playing fury)

[dense elbow]

It really aint, my experience is as long you got 28-31% haste, ya fine either way and it plays ok

Then just throw the rest to feed Powerful Enrage mod

[summer quail]

very much not the end of the world. for most of the expansion it has been the play in m+ over frenzied

[dense elbow]

Not on my sims

https://media.tenor.com/GXfzpJI883AAAAAm/zello.webp

[keen ferry]

Thanks both 🙂

[summer quail]

your sims ran odyns even when it's bad funky

[dense elbow]

... you bad and smell funky...

[wild haven]

Dudes, I feel like I'm being either blind or stupid. Is def stance not in the cool down manager?

Currently need to skim through active buffs to see if I'm in def stance. Is there an easier way?

[hushed ocean]

Addon

def stance reminder

[high sedge]

[wild haven]

A fucking addon. Ofc lmfao

[hushed ocean]

a fucking addon, a fucking wa, who cares

[wild haven]

got a link? I've searched previously for addon and couldnt find

[wild haven]

I care when they've gimped the game

anyway, thanks

[high sedge]

https://addons.wago.io/addons/defensive-stance-reminder

[hushed ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/look-what-yep-this-gif-13617583

[wild haven]

❤️

[winter shoal]

it will be after this reset, was updated on beta but not merged to live yet

but also use that addon

I hear the guy who made it is very cool and smart

[wild haven]

Ahh it's being added to cdm. thought I was going mental thinking there's no way an important buff like def stance would be missing 🙂

[winter shoal]

🙃

They would never launch an incomplete feature

[high sedge]

[wild haven]

Feels like I've just came home after a month away. GG

[winter shoal]

🫡

[wild haven]

🫡 Is this your work?

[winter shoal]

Yes

I accidentally spent 45 mins in d stance

And it made me so mad I learned how to make addons to prevent it

[wild haven]

Well played man. If you could rebuild weak auras real quick, that would be swell 😄

[winter shoal]

What stance/shapeshift form you're in isn't a secret value, which is why that addon can work in combat/raid

Buffs in general are secrets

So you can't really do the same thing

[wild haven]

You answered the conversation I was having with myself right now lol

[alpine palm]

But the internet told me that all Midnight addon devs are degenerate thieves

[gusty cloak]

how can i get an enrage bar under my rage bar?

[winter shoal]

cooldown manager, various addons

that's a very general question so there are a very large number of possible answers

[gusty cloak]

gotcha roger thanks, i have senei resource bar but i dont think it has the enrage bar, i thought it was maybe arcui only

[winter shoal]

Nah enrage tracking as a bar can be done in the ingame cooldown manager, you can skin that bar using arcui, nephui, any number of other addons

[keen ferry]

Doesnt sudden death have a spell alert?

[blazing acorn]

Cooldown manager has sd buff

[smoky vale]

theres a lot of em here

[smoky vale]

it seems like we could have watched anime...

[eternal sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-gif-14606520532926127712

[cinder mountain]

We still playing mountain thane for m+?

[olive wraith]

Some are

[radiant plank]

Thane still gonna be stronger

[rigid stirrup]

Yeah it's a play whatever you want angle till then. I personally hop between both to get reps in

[boreal solstice]

Hey guys with rings on the last phase of Nexus King, I could have sworn I saw that melee can't be on the same side or it's a wipe but I can't find where I saw that now

Can someone course correct me here lol

[smoky vale]

robot when

[edgy widget]

Raidbots typically remains frozen until the patch goes live

[mystic kayak]

Are we just hitting BT > RB like all the time now to keep BT on CD?

[brittle crow]

wow player who sims prepatch

[olive wraith]

Yes

[rare garnet]

Sims are fun

[empty mirage]

were real close to madness here

[edgy widget]

we had our one good tier

[edgy widget]

basically yes

in fact, it's more like BT > Rend > Wrecking > RB, though you're more likely to run into rage issues

[mystic kayak]

Rend is high in priority?

Eh lemme just look at the wowhead rotation guide, or was that not updated yet with the new builds?

[empty mirage]

How is fury looking for midnight so far in general?

[olive wraith]

Slightly above average afaik

[frank dawn]

yeah, seems tuned fine, not op. Pretty fun to play tho, even if I want to burn Rend

but obviously like...literally anything can happen with tuning over the next several weeks leading into season start

[edgy widget]

no, Raging Blow is just that low lol

[olive wraith]

Classic blunder

It’s not that ability x is strong, it’s because y is ass

[frank dawn]

They took all of their season 1 TWW fury nerfs, and concentrated into a killing blow for raging blow

[olive wraith]

Hey tww s3 analytics show that players rb Keybind broke. So in midnight we’re gonna make it so you don’t press rb

[summer quail]

you know how i've been saying throughout tww that rb is way too strong? i did not mean for it to be this weak, the monkey paw curls

[olive wraith]

I mean that’s a completely reasonable critique in tww

Rb was too important

[summer quail]

yea was pretty insane. also to be clear when you say rend is higher prio than rb, is that for the dot maintenance or the initial hit is worth more than rb? if 2nd part that's fucked

[frank dawn]

it takes the full dot, you won't spam rend over rb

[edgy widget]

it was pretty fine before this last build, but Blizz decided that all Fury wars should just press BT on cooldown so

we'll see some changes before Season 2, mark my words

[empty mirage]

ive been a fury for like 12 years and i lowkey wanna prot tank but it seems soooo boring

[olive wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/aew-roh-mark-pro-wrestling-undisputed-kingdom-gif-15675633974125546778

[jolly quail]

in that case, would we now need to introduce rend into our opener or is it just rend (when DoT is <5 seconds) is a better global to use as filler over Wrecking throw/RB/WW

[olive wraith]

Try it and judge for yourself

[empty mirage]

ive tried it in lower keys n stuff and there just doesnt seem to be much going on, ignore pain spam

[olive wraith]

For st? Rend is a filler above rb afaik

For aoe you wanna keep rend applied I think

[olive wraith]

I mean lower keys won’t tell you anything

[frank dawn]

In single target I think can still mostly ignore rend for almost no dps loss, but yeah in AoE it's gonna be more important but I think it's still behind Ramp/BT/Exe. If you can't hit one of those 3 then go ahead and hit your rend

[jolly quail]

I assume in AoE, since we are most likely thunderclapping, its being refreshed constantly in most instances before it ever gets the chance to drop

[frank dawn]

well yeah, if you're thane you never hit actual rend

[olive wraith]

Oh you ignore rend as thane

I thought you were talking slayer

[jolly quail]

Initially I was, as I assume we don't run slayer for 2+ mob situations

[frank dawn]

eh, the patch today brings the 2 specs a lot closer for AoE

[olive wraith]

Time will tell

[frank dawn]

I can't speak at specifically lower target counts, and yeah there's still gonna be tuning coming as we head into the season launch

[jolly quail]

Hopefully so, I personally prefer slayer playstyle more than thane

[empty mirage]

honestly the only reason i wanna do prot war is because its actually easy to get into keys, on dps i sit for hours waiting

[frank dawn]

If you haven't played Slayer on the beta, it's gonna feel A LOT better with today's patch

[olive wraith]

Supposedly it’s fine for keys, you just shift to a higher st/prio profile

Sd procing reap is pretty huge

[frank dawn]

feels so good

and obviously dramatically increases reap damage

[olive wraith]

That’s mainly a dps issue. I don’t enjoy tanking so Que times have always been a dps tax

[frank dawn]

dps queue if you aren't meta or have a battle rez can really be a bitch

[empty mirage]

people are just so picky, i was trying to spam 2s yesterday for valorstones and was getting denied because they wanted higher ilvl, i literally whispered one of the leaders is 160ilvl not high enough he said no he wants to clear it faster, a +2

[olive wraith]

I mean list a 2

[empty mirage]

kee in mind the dude saying this was 120ilvl with 800 mythic score

[olive wraith]

You get flooded

[empty mirage]

i listed mine twice and the tank wiped both times lmao

prot swap might just be the move

[olive wraith]

If it matters that much to you then sure

[edgy widget]

its not part of the opener, just a mid-level filler

[edgy widget]

prot tanking has never been easier tbh, you can pretty much just hold W and macro Shield Block to Shield Slam

and you don't need routes for mid level keys either, just zerg it

[echo rapids]

Haha who would do that?! Definitely not me when I’m tanking a 10 out of desperation for my last vault slot Monday night!

[unkempt grotto]

Would it make more sense to have us pick between bladestorm/odyns fury,instead of avatar? 😕

[edgy widget]

certainly not considering Odyn's Fury is a tier set bonus

[frank dawn]

There's nothing wrong with the Avatar/Bladestorm choice, they just haven't tuned it correctly

they'll fix it, probably

[quiet geyser]

'Probably'

[frank dawn]

[echo rapids]

Legit worried our aoe burst will be too good with tier set OF

[edgy widget]

That was the initial talent layout, but it creates an issue in that Slayer can then never use OF

• Without outside synergy (like Thane's bonuses), Avatar itself doesn't have any gameplay value. It's just a button that gets macroed into another button that increases your damage. It might as well just be a passive enhancement to Recklessness or tuned out and removed entirely
• Odyn's Fury has a distinct gameplay impact - it's not quite rotational, but it's a low cooldown GCD ability that directly affects your gameplay

So Slayer losing Avatar for Bladestorm really has no downside, because Avatar doesn't do anything. Even without the tier set influence, Slayer losing Odyn's Fury has a much more tangible effect

[olive wraith]

Don’t worry

[frank dawn]

OF isn't strong really, we just get to use it A LOT with the tier bonus

[empty mirage]

lmao how viable is the 1 button thing for prot

[edgy widget]

very

[empty mirage]

really

intwestin

might have to peep that when servers are up

[echo rapids]

Honestly you can play thane by literally just alternating TC and shield slam

Bind ignore pain to your mouse wheel

[edgy widget]

you dont even need to IP tbh

[empty mirage]

i know absolutely nothing about prot, but when i was trying it i basically did nothing other than ignore pain and it worked

[edgy widget]

but yes, you basically just spam SSlam, TClap, and Revenge in that order

[empty mirage]

ill try it again fs

[edgy widget]

it's actually pretty fun for low keys, you're practically immortal and can face roll the keyboard

[echo rapids]

The only tricky part about prot warrior is you can never turn your back to mobs

A few random melee mobs will clap you with white hits

[empty mirage]

i honestly didnt know that mattered i figured block n stuff was 360 around you

never even thought of it being in front

[echo rapids]

Yeah

We are the gods of absorbing white melee hits which makes our damage intake smooth, but it’s all frontal

[olive wraith]

War always felt like the most tanklike tank to me

Your hp just doesn’t move

Compared to the rest

[crude yew]

Well, played correctly your hp doesn't move. Play incorrectly (let shield block drop off, don't use IP enough, turn your back to mobs) and you'll find it moves quite rapidly lol

[olive wraith]

Didn’t think I had to specify when played correctly

[crude yew]

I've def gotten blasted (and gave the healer a heart attack) by gathering wrong before lol

[empty mirage]

the only issue i really face with prot is not knowing when i should be pushing defensives like shield block, most the time i notice myself just not pushing them and only doing ignore pain

[olive wraith]

Shield block is like fury enrage

[echo rapids]

Shield block is more of a maintenance buff

[crude yew]

Shield block should be up at all times, in general. Makes you always block + makes sslam do more damage

[olive wraith]

100% uptime is the goal

[empty mirage]

oh wow it has that much uptime good lord

[echo rapids]

Shield wall maybe?

[empty mirage]

ill have to look into an addon or something for that to keep the uptime goin

[olive wraith]

Wall is if you’re gonna be taking big damage

[echo rapids]

You have 2 charges which is almost enough and then shield charge gives you more

[olive wraith]

Or at the start of pulls

[edgy widget]

again, just macro SBlock to SSlam and you'll be fine. If you have anything like high gear, you don't even need ignore pain

[crude yew]

Shield wall should just be used when gathering (so your hp doesn't drop from getting hit while gathering) or as a response to major tank busters incoming

[edgy widget]

and use the talent that extends its duration when you SSlam

[empty mirage]

yeah i like that idea i think ill try that

[edgy widget]

that'll do just fine for any of the content you're doing

[echo rapids]

Shield block adds duration when cast again so the macro is viable

[marble pilot]

I just have ignore pain macroed with shield slam on a second key. Any extra rage goes to that or revenge. Its good at sniping the shield slam resets

[crude yew]

I've tried macroing it in the past and found that it used it too much and led to it dropping off for a few seconds

[empty mirage]

oh i see that makes it much more useful than what i was thinking

[edgy widget]

use the talent that extends duration when you SSlam, and it won't

[crude yew]

Even with that

[empty mirage]

i also didnt think it added time i thought it would just cancel the current sb and replace the timer with the new one

[edgy widget]

it works fine, and you don't need 100% uptime on SBlock anyway

[crude yew]

Dunno maybe I didn't sslam enough but IME it falls off if you macro it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[echo rapids]

Nah it’s like a rolling dot

[crude yew]

But sure if you're learning prot and doing easier content macroing it is better than never using it, and it's not like it falling off = instant death anyway

[echo rapids]

There is a talent that helps, uhhh heavy something?

[empty mirage]

so sblock and sslam macro spam ignore pain dont let ads behind u and never die

[edgy widget]

Heavy Reprecussions

[olive wraith]

Pretty much this

[edgy widget]

don't spam IP or you won't be able to revenge

but yes

[empty mirage]

i see i see

[echo rapids]

Not a disaster to revenge less tbh

[olive wraith]

Ip is your rage dump

Press if gonna cap

[empty mirage]

that changes my entire perspective on prot lol

[crude yew]

IP also only stacks to a point (30% of your max hp) and if you over spam it you waste it

[echo rapids]

Especially if you are just trying to get a weekly 10 done for vault

[empty mirage]

so ip if shit gets dicy and or capping rage

[edgy widget]

• spam SSlam, TClap, and Revenge in that order
• use IP if you have excess rage or you see your health bar moving
• use major cooldowns when boss mods warns you, something looks scary, or gathering a big pack; S,Wall also raises your damage so you win either way

as long as you're not doing any serious high end content (M raid, push level keys), it will be a literal walk in the park

[crude yew]

Demoralizing shout is another defensive too, if it's not big enough to burn a s-wall charge

[edgy widget]

yeah you have other cooldowns too, swall is just your main

demo shout also increases your dam with a talent, so again kinda win win

[hardy vault]

Hey ! How can we check the apl for midnight s1 ? not prepatch

[rare garnet]

prot discuss in MY fury chat… unbelievable

[edgy widget]

this is one of those areas where people get way too stuck on theorectial min/max

[echo rapids]

There were WAs you could get that would tell you when to use a cooldown not sure if still there

[edgy widget]

like you're talking about tanking +2 keys, keeping SBlock at 100% is the most who cares thing in the world

[olive wraith]

Wait for midnight

[echo rapids]

Prot is pretty zug zug these days, you spam thunder clap as much as fury does lol

[edgy widget]

I bet you anything I could go into a +2 key right now and literally never use SBlock and my health wouldn't drop below 70%

you don't need to min/max everything

you're not playing a raid tank

you're not tanking M Dimmy (and tbh he's kind of a pusher now anyway)

[crude yew]

Oh absolutely. It's always best to practice for content where you will need sblock, but don't freak out if your sblock uptime is not 100%, like I said you won't instantly die if it falls off, you'll just start taking more damage than like 0 lol

You still have your block chance without it

[edgy widget]

you don't need to practice for content you have no interest in doing

treating a +2 key like it's a +20 is not necessary or even necessarily advisable

[rare garnet]

Unless you’re some degen I’ve compared the absolute massive damage I do in these low end 15ish keys on prot unbinding revenge that buttons bait unless you’re some 22+ key grinder man hit SS and TC and just vibe man

Pull fast and pull big get that revenge shit outta my face

[crude yew]

Ehhh you'll start dying without shield block in keys way lower than 20. It's not like some 1% elite gamer thing

[olive wraith]

Revenge is kinda important

[crude yew]

It's just "not needed in trivial content so don't sweat"

[edgy widget]

friend I was face rolling 10+ keys

[olive wraith]

It’s how you fish for more ss

[rare garnet]

Not really

Unless you’re pushing title macro Sb into your buttons and vibe bro

[olive wraith]

It’s also your filler

[edgy widget]

yall make this way more complicated than it needs to be

[olive wraith]

Dead globals are boring af

[edgy widget]

again, we're not talking about prepping for high end content, the guy just asked how to tank low end keys for valorstones

[crude yew]

I think there's value in teaching best practices, while also tempering that with "you don't need to sweat over it". Dismissing the correct for the "good enough" is never good, especially in places of learning like class discords. 🙁

[echo rapids]

Press SS macro and TC on cooldown, spend rage on revenge for damage or IP for safety, pop cooldowns win

[edgy widget]

Context matters - this is not the place for learning best practices for Protection, its a conversation centered around a Fury Warrior tanking purposefully low end content for the purposes of getting upgrade resources

[rare garnet]

I don’t think I can discredit orange and pink parses just cause it’s “not right” I’ll take easy and cozy and big

[white grove]

SS macro?

[olive wraith]

Like “unbinding” revenge?

[crude yew]

Mostly because he won't be the only person reading our answers.

[edgy widget]

if he expressed any interest in tanking higher end content, we would send him to the #protection channel and have an entirely different conversation

[crude yew]

Sure, and tbf I forgot we're in #fury lol

[empty mirage]

yeah i was just lookin to start learning prot im not doin +60 keys yet lol

[white grove]

What would you macro to SSlam? Shield block?

[echo rapids]

You macro shield block to shield slam without any real issue

[edgy widget]

I think it was pretty clearly expressed that this advice was only for tanking low end content

[crude yew]

Alright broski, my bad

[white grove]

Oh yeah, ive done that before

[olive wraith]

Ya, scroll up for context

[edgy widget]

I agree its good to have an understanding of proper technique, but everything can be tempered by practicality

[white grove]

If you want to be hyper casual about tanking, take heavy repercussions instead of into the fray and you will never have to keep track of shield block again

[edgy widget]

damn that's good advice

[echo rapids]

If you are crushing 10s for vault it’s enough. More important honestly to spend your attention on interrupts and using cooldowns

[white grove]

The real skill of warrior tanking is gathering packs and maintaining aggro on them

While not getting hit in the back

[edgy widget]

Yeah I was tanking 10-12ish keys towards the end of Season 3, and it was complete jokes

only thing that's deadly is a handful of tank busters, or like those big enraged pirate dudes in Gambit if you're not prepared for them

[rare garnet]

If you’re just going prot to help your buddies with weekly 12s and delves slam avatar, sb, and ir into your SS and TC binds and focus on kicks, stuns, positioning, tank busters, and route. If you really wanna take .1% keys you’ll need more (probably)

[white grove]

I find that tanking is a lot easier than most of us think itll be. Once you actually get out there and tank, its not that bad, and if you mess up and fail to time, you can just get into another group in seconds while dps might wait 15+ mins

[echo rapids]

The real tanking challenge is routes honestly

Although if you do keys enough as dps you’ll get it

[empty mirage]

yeah i feel like routes are the easier part

[lone portal]

fweakin fury warriors talkin tankin

[crude yew]

I find people over-worry about routes. You can do "gear keys" (10 and less) via entirely just pressing W and pulling everything in your way more or less. You might be a bit under count but you just go back for it and it's gucci

[echo rapids]

Preparing for a season of not being meta

[echo rapids]

This is true

[rare garnet]

I’ve eaten too may crayons to remember routes I wish I could mark mob nameplates with a pull number I can’t remember that shit but fk the pugs we hold W and grab 110% stfu we’re going

[echo rapids]

Tbh this new highlighted pack feature in midnight is kinda cool

[frozen dome]

The prot channel is nice you know

[crude yew]

Lmao

[frozen dome]

We love talking about tanking

[lone portal]

Prot is admittedly very easy to pick up, keep mobs in front of you and hit your buttons and you tend to do well enough for low to mid keys

[echo rapids]

Today is the start of bloodthirst supremacy right?

[lone portal]

We love talking about a lot of things in prot channel, like guns and AI and food and media and occasionally tanking

[crude yew]

Yeah those balance changes are coming today with reset

[frozen dome]

True

[crude yew]

Also the death of execute for prot

[lone portal]

We dont talk about that

[frozen dome]

Nope

[rare garnet]

You can tank like top 1% keys without trying man this “mid keys” talk is wild. Brain off Zug Zug pops off man. Unless you’re trying for title you really don’t even need to start trying.

[crude yew]

You can lean on your healer a bit too. Good healers will external you if you reallly need it

Many healers expect to have to heal the prot sometimes because our self healing isn't as good as other tanks's

[frozen dome]

Just don’t take damage ez

[rare garnet]

The prot way

[lone portal]

I mean, you can brain off zug zug through keys but once you start going up in key level brain off zug zug end up less reliable because it relies on the quality of your party and playing around them being brain off as well

But by and large yes prot is not particularly difficult to handle, the learning curve for most tanks pushing keys is learning how to play to your party

But I digress

I slink away back to prot to shitpost gifs

[white grove]

Yeah but its probably one of the biggest factors that stops people from tanking, especially when you see how people sometimes react to tanks doing routes different than the "accepted standard"

[rare garnet]

[dense elbow]

Why is the #protection squad in #fury

[white grove]

We trying to get more warriors to tank so I dont have to wait as long in queue

[rare garnet]

Yeah I used to have massive tanxiety but tbh now I just swap the chat box to like guild chat and ignore my party. They’re not real people they’re just AI.

[undone flower]

What is anti casual about tanking : routes, gathering and you blink you die moments

[white grove]

Plus the worst thing that happens if the key fails is you get into another group in 66 seconds while the dps wait like 15+ minutes

[lone portal]

This is the way

[crude yew]

Ya know people always say that, but I've done plenty of "shit routes" that I just improvised (and were short on count) and had nary a peep about it, even had a few praises. But at the same time, I know the rough route and know to not pull things together that gets us killed. I think the toxicity people get comes from failings besides route, like going too slow or pulling fatal things together, etc. It's failings people describe as "bad route" and not just "you didn't pull the meta route".

[lone portal]

Rhino said they were talking tank and the prot channel is dead rn so I showed up

[fading sky]

This

[rare garnet]

Oh no you hate my route!! That’s fine go sit in town for 3 hours and find another key you non meta trash DPS ass who’s out here playing that spec ya bot oh ma I’ve done 5 more keys before you got another pity invite lulz

[fading sky]

Tanks pullin small on pulls that are safe, then ultra hardcore pull, almost unliveable next second

[undone flower]

I used to insta leave when someone talk shit when I tank

[dense elbow]

I would never leave my set channel

[lone portal]

So true bestie

[rare garnet]

Same but I have too much time now. So I let them complain. And on the pull before the last boss then I leave.

[fading sky]

I will say most keys are good even if failed

Key bracket decides toxicity

[crude yew]

The biggest issue imo is that nobody teaches tanks the "techniques" of tanking, like "how do you go about pulling a pack in a way that doesn't result in back hits, loss of aggro, or overpulling", or "how fast do you go, when do you chain, etc".
Missing all of that context leads to people saying "bad route bad tank" because they (as dps players) lack the words that tank mains would have to describe why things went badly. It's not the route, it's bad tank gameplay

[edgy widget]

100%, but a lot of it is in people's heads too
unless you're actually doing some competitive push keys, 99% of players don't give a shit about the route and aren't paying attention to it anyway; especially DPS, they're just vibin

being too afraid of failing or being ridiculed over something you've never tried before is the biggest reason most people never try anything new

[fading sky]

Pre prepatch 17-18 was pretty ok

[undone flower]

I did leave a rookery in the middle of the last boss

[white grove]

This

[fading sky]

This is the truest fact ever

[crude yew]

When nobody else got me I know @fading sky got me

[fading sky]

Psf pull after 1st boss

Amount of tanks that die to backshots

[rare garnet]

Because they’re too busy making a 5 hour video to optimize your tank DPS rotation and shit talking how stupid you are to lose 0.01% theoretical damage to pic up a cheat death talent.

[undone flower]

The first pull of priory is stressful

[white grove]

The game itself really doesnt teach you how to do anything, and a lot of specs are not particularly intuitive so if youre not scouring discords like this or wowhead, its hard to figure out how to properly play some specs

[fading sky]

Or near death, then next key, u get a good tank, and its a breeze

[undone flower]

They should remove backshots

[fading sky]

Lol

[undone flower]

We are in 2026

[rare garnet]

In game right?

[fading sky]

Worst take ever

[crude yew]

Soooo true, I see the most dumb advice like "don't use tank trinkets they make you do less damage" - like am I playing tank, or "shitty dps"? I think I signed up to tank lol

[lone portal]

uwu?

[fading sky]

Y defensive trinkets are so nice 🤣, esp until u are comfortable

[undone flower]

Why? They add nothing fun to succeed

[fading sky]

Ofc they do skill expression

[crude yew]

And a dimension of realism, you hold your shield in front not all around you

[fading sky]

Yeah

[rare garnet]

Like some tank trinkets are legit just useless. But yeah. It’s DPS > all and that’s a really bad premise for a new tank. Getting into tanking sucked for me till I just started saying, “how can I live and not care because 10% tank damage doesn’t matter if it makes my healer cozier so he can heal the DPS so they’re cozy and can focus on pumping”

[undone flower]

I don’t think it is skill expression so low level it is mandatory to perfect

[crude yew]

They just need to add visual feedback for things that are behind you, like flashing them red so you know you're being back-hit

[fading sky]

Its not mandatory

Until high keys

Where shit matters

So skill

[crude yew]

Yeah even prot can live being hit in the back just fine, just hurts (until high keys)

[fading sky]

Should matter

[undone flower]

Until mid keys, you get one shot from back shots before ppl die from bolts

[crude yew]

To get one shot in "mid keys" (talking like 10s) you'd have to fully turn around and stand in a massive pack. The odd back-hit while gathering or whatever won't kill you

[undone flower]

I consider mid keys from 10 to 20 in this prepatch

[rare garnet]

No busters even hurt in th weekly keys, just pop wall while gathering and you’re gucci

[fading sky]

I mean anythin above 12

Is ok to require skill

[undone flower]

Anything before bolts one shots

[crude yew]

Well changing your definition of mid keys based on a extremely temporary and extremely unbalanced period of the game is a bit... well, I'll be nice and say "very silly"

[fading sky]

12 and down

10s are weeklys

[crude yew]

I like the term "gear keys" over weeklies

[fading sky]

Vault keys😅

[crude yew]

Because some people "weekly" 16s (just because it's fun to be challenged and they have resil)

[undone flower]

Mid keys and high keys are temporary range, they change every week with gear ilvl

[crude yew]

Sorta? It varies more with skill level

To a bad player, all the gear in the world won't make you consider a 15 a low key

It's not like getting m8/8 gear makes all keys below title trivial

[olive wraith]

In no world would I call 16s weekly keys

[crude yew]

That's why "gear keys" is more useful, it's objective - better gear stops at 10

Guranteed to be static at 10

[undone flower]

Even tho they are the same lvl as a 10 first week ?

[olive wraith]

Yea

Why put in any extra effort when a 10-12 will do

[crude yew]

You enjoy the challenge, you have resil so lowering your key is a pain, etc

[olive wraith]

Being challenged makes it not a weekly key

[undone flower]

I don’t see it as effort or gear in my view, more like to difficulty tbf

[olive wraith]

Doing weekly keys is basically key spamming

[crude yew]

It can be. I don't like spamming trivial keys, that's boring. Even if it's for gear

[olive wraith]

Weekly keys aren’t fun

[crude yew]

I'd rather get my vault filled out + enjoy the challenge, 2 birds one stone

[olive wraith]

They’re a chore

[rare garnet]

12s are weekly because the affix is more annoying than 2 key levels with pugs that don’t do the affix

[olive wraith]

It’s like rep grinding

[crude yew]

Because you make them a chore by doing keys way below your skill level lol

[olive wraith]

Ye I find 12s are better cause you ignore affix

[olive wraith]

That’s literally what they are lol a chore. If I want a challenge I crank up the difficulty

[undone flower]

And 12s are the exact same of a 10 after the second or third week of a patch

[olive wraith]

If I’m lookin to fill vault asap I grind easy stuff

[fading sky]

Lol forgot

[olive wraith]

Takes way more effort to grind out higher stuff

[fading sky]

Affix of 10s

[crude yew]

I'm saying that you don't HAVE TO make filling your vault something mindless and chore-y. You can fill your vault with challenging keys, so you can enjoy your time + still get your gear you need

[fading sky]

Also no 15 better time than 10s

Better playerbase

[crude yew]

^ that's a factor too

[fading sky]

If u pug

[olive wraith]

12s help with that

Casuals often stop at 10

[crude yew]

Doing 10s-12s you get some noobs in your pug trying to fill vault with easiest possible keys.

[sullen dove]

do we know what the like "expansion affix" is next xpac btw

[crude yew]

Go higher, you get challenged + vault filled + play with good players + etc

[sullen dove]

ig never really thought about it or looked into it

[fading sky]

Also in a 10-12 with gear makes shit die 2 fast 4 flat dmg profile

[crude yew]

Afaik we're keeping the same ones we have now

[sullen dove]

ah of course

[olive wraith]

You’re not doing 12s for damage flexing

[sullen dove]

do the minimum work possible

classic blizzard w

[fading sky]

Nono i do 17s

[undone flower]

It changes over the season, Rio hell expands

[fading sky]

I hope blizzars add a 3500 reward

[crude yew]

I think it's more "we're terrified of adding an affix that bricks m+ when we're already worried we did that with the WAs removal + class prune + etc"

[fading sky]

Amd 4k

[sullen dove]

they could just... remove it

[lone portal]

7 traders tender for getting 3500

[sullen dove]

but o well

[crude yew]

Change too many factors at once and things get muddy

[fading sky]

The weekly affix are ok

[crude yew]

Yeah I don't hate em either except the heal/dispel one when I play healer

[fading sky]

I think system is pretty ok tbh

[fading sky]

Its the week pf rets shamans 🤣

And who ever can self dispel

[crude yew]

Basically every class in the game can do something to help the healer, but nobody does

Even warr can imp victory to get rid of most of it

[fading sky]

And i always do

Coz why not

[crude yew]

But yeah it being an omni-dispel if your spec posesses any kind of dispel of anything you can get it off yourself. Nobody does though and expects the healer to 100% handle it.

[undone flower]

Every player has the health pot option, but most don’t

[autumn smelt]

did the rotation changed for fury?

[fading sky]

Yes

Bt on cd

[autumn smelt]

So the build changed too ?

[flat river]

i really don't like the fact that thane and slayer both use BT as main abilitiy now

[empty mirage]

i use it everytime my hp is below 70%

[hollow leaf]

https://fxtwitter.com/warcraftlogs/status/2020951790813118910?s=46&t=MxPBccmHOxCJGyNz1c8n4g

Warcraft Logs (@WarcraftLogs)

Total combined /played across our team. We're very proud of our Mage number and hope to keep it this low!
︀︀
︀︀@RaiderIO_WoW @Wowhead @icyveins We want to see how some other teams stack up..👀

**💬 20 🔁 4 ❤️ 334 👁️ 37.9K **

FxTwitter · Feb 9, 2026, 8:03 PM

[dense elbow]

not approved.

next!

[frank dawn]

Tune into tettles tier list stream for 20 seconds. "Arcane and Demo, this is some of the most broken shit I've seen in the past 10 years"

XD

[echo rapids]

Demo being “well it’s really bugged to be too strong, they’ll fix them soon…right?”

[fast mural]

so nerf warrrior ?

[earnest canyon]

its demo still looking OP for midnight?

[fast mural]

[earnest canyon]

i always felt warlock was a shit mage as it has to jump through hoops to do the same job

[fast mural]

didnt warlock used to be good all the time

[hollow leaf]

both demo and affli are looking really good

[glad coyote]

so what spec we rocking for 2 weeks?

[earnest canyon]

yes but its always mage with extra steps

[iron holly]

is RB bottom prio now?

[modest condor]

no, whirlwind is

but raging blow isnt much higher

[sudden tusk]

Rend

[plain shard]

dear nerds need an advice.. got a 32 lvl fury leveling and was thinking abt DW.. I have got Ironspines fist, dark water talwar, swinetusk dagger.. should I offhand sword or dagger

I have been told rage gen is normalised in tbc compared to classic so fast OH isn’t critical..

Human race

[ember apex]

dual wield 2 handers. and prioritize item level with the highest being in your main hand and second highest being in offhand

[olive wraith]

This is retail advice

[ember apex]

weapon names are irrelevant honestly

thank you

[olive wraith]

Looks like they’re asking tbc

[ember apex]

u can be level 32 in retail

what do u mean

[olive wraith]

Classic friend

[winter shoal]

I believe the classic warrior discord is called fight club, you might have more luck there

[plain shard]

uh..

[ember apex]

he's having luck here

[winter shoal]

99% of people here don't play classic

[ember apex]

Just follow my advice lil buddy u can't go wrong

[plain shard]

am I gonna get jumped

[ember apex]

use two 2handers. prio ilvl

[winter shoal]

@compact knot we need turbo nerd assistance

[olive wraith]

Dunno never been in that server

[ember apex]

why u guys trolling he's just leveling

[olive wraith]

Can you even dual wield 2h at 32

[compact knot]

Hi

[winter shoal]

In retail I believe you can at level 10

[crude yew]

I'm pretty sure you can from like lv 10 lol

Once you can choose fury as a spec you can

[main gyro]

anyone already figure out a decent m+ talent tree?

[compact knot]

Dual wield is unlocked at lvl 2p

20

[main gyro]

still thane i assume?

[olive wraith]

Well it looks like he’s talking tbc

[winter shoal]

In tbc does fury care about slow vs fast offhand for leveling? Bro is 32

[remote bobcat]

dual wield at level 11 on retail

if u mean titans grip

[compact knot]

yes kinda

hold

[edgy widget]

Please remember to check #updates-midnight message before asking questions

[crude yew]

It is? How do you cast anything? Doesn't all of fury's attacks require dual wielding?

[compact knot]

hi im classic nerd

[olive wraith]

Friend he’s talking about tbc

[crude yew]

[compact knot]

you want 2 slow weapons because whirlwind dmg is based off of mainhand and offhand hits now, so slow weapon in both slots is good

but the main thing for leveling is a slow main hand and then a good high dps off hand

off hand speed is irrelevant while leveling at the lower levels when you dont even have whirlwind unlocked

also since you are human i would try to have swords on all the time, offhand sword with good dps > anything

[compact knot]

in tbc you can push any button as long as you have a weapon in your mainhand equipped

[compact knot]

you can push mortal strike with a dagger

although it wont do any damage

[crude yew]

Yeah I was thinking they were asking in retail since they didn't obviously specify "I'm leveling in classic"

[compact knot]

tbf they asked if rage gen is normalised in tbc

[crude yew]

Ah yeah I just scrolled up, I'm blind ignore me

I zug zug even my answers here

[plain shard]

I see

[compact knot]

rage gen is normalised in cata, slower weapons are typically almost always better currently due to whirlwind/bt interactions

[edgy widget]

this isn't really the place to discuss TBC, either take it to #vanilla-discussion or the Classic Warrior discord (aka Fight Club)

[plain shard]

isn’t TBC available in retail

[compact knot]

the zones yes but not the actual game lol

[edgy widget]

if you're talking about TBC content yes
if you're talking about the TBC expansion as current content, no

retail/modern WoW is in Midnight, and nothing from it is relevant to playing on TBC servers

[dense elbow]

We got a vanilla discussion channel

[compact knot]

none of what has been discussed applies to retail currently

[dense elbow]

I never knew

[plain shard]

Khazix ty

[compact knot]

np

@plain shard do try to go to fight club, it has a lot of information archived, skyhold is purely retail based warrior content, while fight club is mop/tbc/era based warrior content.

also more like minded players

[calm swallow]

How did you get it to display Damage Done and DPS on the bar?

[dapper kindle]

buff to bladestorm still not beat synergy of avatar and anger management?

[glad coyote]

just clicked it

[young swan]

correct

[frank dawn]

It does if it ever hits more than one target, but on pure single target Avatar is still a bit better

[sudden tusk]

Slayer fury not be silly challenge

[crude yew]

Wonder if they shouldn't just slap a "when hitting only one target, bladestorm deals %more damage" mod on it to fix

[dapper kindle]

nice

[crude yew]

Just ham-fist force ava to go away

[dapper kindle]

just bake avatar into recklessness

[frank dawn]

It's been brought up a few times that it's kind of the point of the Culling Cyclone talent, and I think it could be interesting if they buffed it up a good bit (prob have to buff brutal finish a bit too to keep it competitive)

[crude yew]

Yeah might just be that culling cyclone's not good enough

[frank dawn]

but that choice could potentially be interesting. If it was enough of a buff to Culling Cyclone it could still have decent value up to 5 targets or so and would be a big single target buff to Bladestorm

or you take brutal finish to focus on AoE that also interacts with Rampaging Ruin if that ever becomes more usable

[empty mirage]

Yeah may just stay fury, the sslam and sblock macro dont work super well

im prolly just butt tho

[frank dawn]

but yeah at the moment this is problem, the base power of Bladestorm and Culling just aren't good enough.

[crude yew]

Yeah with how culling works if you buff it too much you end up making it good in aoe too. That's why I went for "when only hitting a single target" based stuff that just straight up turns off in aoe

[frank dawn]

yeah idk, I mean Culling falls off so fast on multi-target I think it's fine if it still has value on aoe, just like brutal finish still has value on single target

[crude yew]

Maybe they're worried about "sorta aoe but not really" fights (2-3 target cleave) that's supposed to be arms' thing

[frank dawn]

yeah maybe, I have no idea how the two specs really compare at those "cleave fight" target counts

[crude yew]

"How to make bladestorm good in st and good in mass-aoe, without making it VERY good in 2-3 target cleave"

Because then you steal arms' spotlight

[dapper kindle]

does arms have a spotlight at this point lol

[crude yew]

2 target cleave, theoretically

Blizz themselves said they want arms to obliterate 2 target cleave fights better than other specs

[frank dawn]

Even at 2 targets though, and let's just throw out a purely made up number of Culling Cyclone being a 50% increase. At 2 targets it immediately drops to a 25% bonus, and a 16% bonus at 3 targets.

I don't feel like that becomes that big of a deal at that point

[dapper kindle]

sounds like arms warrior should just reroll destro lock

[crude yew]

Destro with their Havoc thing should theoretically be the caster version of it yeah

I don't play lock so dunno how exactly it works but I've heard havoc is basically sweeping strikes

Echoes st onto a second target

[calm swallow]

Clicked what? There was no setting I could find that displays both at the same time

[frank dawn]

speaking of specs not using their main abilities tho https://x.com/luckykatONE/status/2021254083764466061?s=20

Kat≽^•⩊•^≼ (@luckykatONE)

fists of fury more like FLOP of fury

X · Feb 10, 2026, 4:05 PM

poor windwalkers man lol

[crude yew]

Yeah oof

[dapper kindle]

dam lol

[crude yew]

What do you do if not FoF? Spam tiger palm?

[frank dawn]

Rising Sun, Blackout, and Tiger Palm lol

[crude yew]

[frank dawn]

and pray for Rising Sun resets

[frosty spade]

3 talent points disappeared

[olive wraith]

Yup

[dense elbow]

this cant be optimal

[crude yew]

I'm deadass using the Blizzard Approved Default talents and vibing until release lol

Can't be bothered to optimize in prepatch

[frank dawn]

Is this what the kids call a "pro gamer move"?

[pearl sequoia]

But it’s just copy and paste from wowhead

[crude yew]

Yeah but then you gotta keep doing it (like now how they just reset everyone's talents basically) and I honestly can't be bothered to

I doubt this is the last fuckery with talents they'll do

I can run suboptimal talents for the next few weeks, I'll live

(literally, because the default talents take enraged regen lol)

[echo rapids]

Blizzard: Arms niche is two target fights
Also blizzard: designs two target boss fights where you don’t stack the bosses

[crude yew]

The shadow priests have invaded blizz hq

[frank dawn]

that's the most triggering part honestly, besides just arms feeling kinda bad to play lately

but yeah, you almost never have a cleave fight where you can actually melee cleave

[echo rapids]

We getting another two target boss encounter, dragon’s where one is always flying lol

[frank dawn]

[dapper kindle]

lol

[echo rapids]

Soul hunters is the closest we have had to 2 target boss cleave for a while, no?

Nexus phase

[crude yew]

Played correctly SH should be 3 target cleave (until one starts getting too low)

But yeah saladbar and his dragon was 2 cleave

[dapper kindle]

I don't really get where fury warrior fantasy of kill or be killed comes in. The berserker using 2 weapons, rage induced abilities and the cost of taking more damage. Check. Sounds like it could have been a cool arms ability for pvp

at the cost*

[crude yew]

"Too mad to die"

[dapper kindle]

they should have named it that lol

[crude yew]

It'd be a pretty good talent if it didn't require you specifically to kill (if it was participation, fury would be immortal in m+ pulls, since SOMETHING is gonna die while they're in the kill or be killed mode)

[chilly fractal]

the Love is in the air chocolate gives 20 vers? seems like a lot compared to other food buffs right now

[echo rapids]

Yeah agreed but it’s at least a fight where 2 actual bosses are in sweeping strikes range

[crude yew]

Yeah yeah

[wicked turret]

Question. Why do we have 2 dead talents here? Whats the reason of picking these if we are not taking bladestorm?

[obtuse palm]

Is Deep Wounds still worth it? It was doing low dmg before anyway

[chilly fractal]

so you can take the 1 that isn't dead

[dapper kindle]

ST fury doesnt take bladestorm

[frank dawn]

The other path also has dead Bladestorm talents, just no way around it really

[crude yew]

And it's also cope that they'll fix us not taking BS

[wicked turret]

Alright, Gotcha. Ty.

[woven valley]

Cope? Yeah I totally see blizz leaving 4 hero talents dead lol 😂

[tidal beacon]

what did the changes do % wise to us

[olive wraith]

Yes

[frank dawn]

I mean, it's not so bad that it is a critical must fix. Being only 2% behind on single target and Bladestorm is better if it ever hits more than one target. That said, it probably will be fixed but I also wouldn't exactly be shocked if nothing changes lol.

and to be clear, I think it's lame af that the hero talent focus ability is not purely dominant

but Blizzard gonna Blizz

[olive wraith]

Ya I’m inclined to think Blizz wants slayer to use bs

[dire canyon]

Am I the only one getting more single target as Mountain Thane?

[kind bolt]

will we move warrior discord to mmo champion with the discord changes?

[olive wraith]

Might be doing something wrong

[olive wraith]

Gonna be a huge ass text string

[tidal beacon]

how much did this patch effect us?

[warm crag]

probably

[jolly wind]

dude why did blizz do this

[pliant obsidian]

do we leave the last tier talent tree option blank until we start to level?

[jolly wind]

now u cant put 2 points into the haste and auto attack one

u can only put 1 point iin it

[quiet geyser]

Autos took a big hit

Its fine

[jolly wind]

and u cant take the bs dmg increase and crit one

why do they give u a worthless talent to increasse shouts duration nby 20 percent thats the most worthless talent to ever exist and yet u have to take it

lol

[pliant obsidian]

lol

[jolly wind]

fr who designed that talent

like what is the point

and then they make it something u have to take to get to the good stuff

and then the only good capstone talent at the bottom is am

alll the other ones suck ass

[pliant obsidian]

im still working out the top left of the talent tree i picked fast footwork and rend i guess

[jolly wind]

u dont need to play rend if ur thane

[pliant obsidian]

im slayer

[jolly wind]

tb applies it

oh ok

do we play slayer now

for mplus

[pliant obsidian]

i play what i like and i like ww and its effects

[olive wraith]

The visual effects?

[jolly wind]

tb looks way cooler than ww imo

but thats just me

[pliant obsidian]

no the effects after you use ww

[jolly wind]

u get that with thane lol

and tb

u get 4 ww stacks

[olive wraith]

Midnight trees are designed to be higher level

[jolly wind]

it replaces ww bascially

[pliant obsidian]

ahh

[jolly wind]

idk if we stiill play thane or if we go slayer now for mplus

[olive wraith]

They’re close

Slayer is higher prio/st

[jolly wind]

so were going to have mopre points in the bottom row for class tree in midnight?

[olive wraith]

Thane has better aoe

[pliant obsidian]

i dont do toxic content lol just delves etc

[jolly wind]

thane prob better than for mplus

then

[olive wraith]

Yes I’m pretty sure you get more points in midnight

[pliant obsidian]

yes

[median token]

wtf they did with arcane

[olive wraith]

Idk ask mage discord

[jolly wind]

i think warrior got the least pruned out of all the classes

[pliant obsidian]

i kinda knew we were overpowered when you could solo the world boss in karesh lol