i basically didnt have to prog the boss so my opinion is skewed
#fury
sudden tusk
i basically never had to prog it
remote bobcat
i basically never had to prog it
regardless of prog he still parries you in p1 for no fucking reason
sullen dove
who gives a shit tho
like its cringe
but ur not goin from a 99 to an 80 off 5 parries
by far the worst when arms' cs could get parried you actually feel that so heavily
but then they got rid of that
parry is a worthless dogshit mechanic but it literally does not affect us anyway
foggy pine
hello in my sim it says that ara kara trinket with antenna is better than cursed stone but all warrior use cursed stone what do you think about that
sullen dove
cursed stone is damage with your cooldowns both of the other trinkets are passive damage increases all the time
but in dungeons you are not fighting things for 5 minutes straight like your sim says you are
storm rune
Channel trinket on the gcd, that thing stays in the vault for me
exotic halo
If I don't have Enrage, and I don't have Meat Cleaver, do I Rampage or Whirlwind first?
worn yoke
WW
the actual WW damage is negligible, you only pressing it to cleave your next attack, which would be Rampage
warm crag
regardless of prog he still parries you in p1 for no fucking reason
you hold dps on that boss in p1
if you seriously care about parries on a boss you get hold dps on you must immediately get real
bleak minnow
Hi everyone! I’m from China and currently studying at UC. I’m looking for a few friends to play games with so I can practice my English. Let me know if you’re interested!
sullen dove
young swan
earnest canyon
Hi everyone! I’m from China and currently studying at UC. I’m looking for a few ...
You came to the right place!
winter shoal
you hold dps on that boss in p1
We've never once held dps on that boss and you can't convince me that holding dps is good
Granted most of that was after turbo boost
bleak minnow
You came to the right place!
What do you mean by that?
winter shoal
BadPitt is always looking to make friends
sullen dove
run.
bleak minnow
but my english is bad
warm crag
Full send push at like 2:10
if you progged like that you are stupid
earnest canyon
not allowed to go outside (it's cold and rainy)
u get shanked too
winter shoal
Real
warm crag
or you arrived at the boss 2 weeks ago (also stupid)
winter shoal
We progged without holding damage in p1, pushed at 2:15
warm crag
unfortunate
winter shoal
Ignored last add set and soak
smoky vale
spongie
are you supposed to hold bs for nullbinders
those things insta explode everytime
winter shoal
For parse probably, for prog there's no reason
If the nullbinders don't die fast enough that's someone else's fault
warm crag
are you supposed to hold bs for nullbinders
idk i stopped caring approximately 6 or 7 weeks ago
eternal zenith
sry but why is forgotten sky and arcanocore so good for fury
winter shoal
They do big fuck dam
Well screams does big fuck dam on single target, not very good for aoe
eternal zenith
also which trinkets should i use for dimmy i have all the bis mythic ones except for skies which is only heroic
winter shoal
Whatever sims highest
eternal zenith
can you sim for a specific encounter?
winter shoal
Arcanocore + antenna is probably a good default but I don't like antenna
winter shoal
can you sim for a specific encounter?
You can sim for a specific fight length
eternal zenith
because dimmy has so m uch movement
winter shoal
Arcanocore + sacbrood is also probably a good default if you don't want to worry about antenna
eternal zenith
ya
winter shoal
Dimmy isn't really a throughput check tbh, your trinket choice doesn't matter a ton
eternal zenith
thats what i was gonna do
dark elbow
Running arcano and sac rn
eternal zenith
ya just wanna maximise for parse ego
winter shoal
Playing for parse on prog is beyond fried
dark elbow
kek
dark elbow
had raidlead cry cause I didnt charge to the behind add and help 🙁
winter shoal
Crazy comms from RL, unless your raid comp is chalked there's no reason melee should have to swap
dark elbow
I just blame the healers tbh, usualy works
winter shoal
Well healers won't be killing the add but okay
dark elbow
winter shoal
But yeah your trinket choice isn't going to make you green parse as long as it's somewhat sensible
And erring on the side of caution as opposed to greeding is also not going to make you green parse
dark elbow
too many boostees in the parses to be even parsing below 50
winter shoal
People care a lot more about you wiping them to greeding than they do about you getting a 77 instead of a 75
Also overall logs are a measure of who can convince their raid to let them pad more than anything, boss dam logs are more relevant 
smoky vale
bowwl come play tft with me
winter shoal
Never played tft in my life
I gotta log in to poe2 tomorrow for my regularly scheduled cbt
onyx linden
wow dead btw? stuck here for like an hour
undone flower
But yeah your trinket choice isn't going to make you green parse as long as it's...
Even if I wear intel trinkets ? 
sour frigate
hollow leaf
oh wowhead has a new talent tree hud
woeful oyster
is blizzard ever gonna make SMF viable? 🤔
warm crag
is blizzard ever gonna make SMF viable? 🤔
god i hope not
woeful oyster
god i hope not
but a nelf with moonglaives would be cool 🙁
warm crag
you can tmog that literally next patch
woeful oyster
2h to moonglaive? 🤔
warm crag
please dont ask for changes that ruin gearing because you want to rp 1 month sooner
idk what 1h tmogs exist
woeful oyster
idk what 1h tmogs exist
i mean tmogging 2h to 1h in general
warm crag
dont think thatd work animation wise
woeful oyster
dont think thatd work animation wise
Ye I guess
honest trail
had raidlead cry cause I didnt charge to the behind add and help 🙁
Bad raid leaders don't understand what each class do
And treat em all the same
Hence why I never listen to em tbf
remote bobcat
Hence why I never listen to em tbf
during progression its our job to ensure we dont wipe even if it means way way lower dmg and less fun tho
they can go fk themselves on reclears tho
ngl
honest trail
during progression its our job to ensure we dont wipe even if it means way way l...
I believe progress would go better by actually utilizing each tools for each class properly
Rather than just yoloing and stat checking
honest trail
Do explain
remote bobcat
You take the temporary dmg loss in order to see more of the fight. People also BL p1 in order to see p2 more often for the very same reason. People will eventually end up finding more damage through repetition. Adds that barely die will start to explode reliably. But because of pulls where someone dies early or similar reasons for lower add damage, if raidlead tells you to stay on add "just in case" in order to get more p2 and maybe p3 pulls, then you better do that even if its a theoretically inefficient use of your damage potential
but again this only counts for progression
honest trail
I understand that but I disagree with that method in most cases
Forcing people to not play the fight properly slows progression for me. I'd rather spam p1 with everyone playing playing it as they will end up playing so you get it let's say 95% of the time once it's done
Rather than 80% cause ppl.have less exp actually playing it right
Cause they played it 3 different ways
I don't see it as good to reach P2 ever if you haven't mastered P1
What's the point
remote bobcat
"slows progression for me" thats objectively false if you get more pulls further into the fight. its not even an opinion to have dawg
brave lava
Forcing people to not play the fight properly slows progression for me. I'd rath...
So you stay in P1 for a long amount of time and then you do the same for P2, so staying on "what should be done" and not "what is effective" for progress and you take a long time while you could progress P2 if you forced a way to cheese P1
Seeing other phases is always better for progression than doing the same phase "as it should be done"
remote bobcat
😭
your argument would also include never lusting p1 or p2 and only ever lusting p3 dmg amp "because thats how its should be done"
honest trail
"slows progression for me" thats objectively false if you get more pulls further...
I am autistic and have huge issues adapting and rely a lot on anticipation and muscle memory. Ask me to change the way I have played a phase for 100 pulls to "prepare" for P2 is always bad for me
remote bobcat
yea this is not an argument
honest trail
It is
remote bobcat
it really is not.
brave lava
Yeah, that is what suit you the best
But in that case, make your rl know that and he might ask other person who are more flexible to adapt and do the "not effective" things to progress further
honest trail
your argument would also include never lusting p1 or p2 and only ever lusting p3...
Yeah I don't really carr where lust is used, makes ppl used to dmg and healing they will not have
remote bobcat
Being autistic is not a hindrance in you staying on the add throughout all of progression until you take 2-3 pulls to readjust to staying on boss, aka not moving at all
lusting will change timings
a lot.
they will differ throughout progression
remote bobcat
it feels weird as shit to you but it will objectively increase the amount of pulls further into the fight
there is no opinion to have here
doing something theoretically inefficient that's beneficial to progression is simply beneficial to progression
honest trail
For me progression is perfecting movement and cds
And one can't do that if those are fake
For later pulls
remote bobcat
"for me" ???? progression is killing the boss for the first time as a raidgroup what are you saying
honest trail
I don't care about the kill, I care about playing the fight optimally
The most I can
By doing that, boss will die
remote bobcat
Yea so you're just not talking about anything significant to the conversation then.
You're talking about personal performance and improvements.
That's it.
Progression as a raidgroup is not that.
honest trail
That's the only fun part of raiding
And why I play MMO lol
So i don't get your point
If everyone focuses on self performance and playing the fight the best as their spec is supposed to while discussing how to manage those.tools together
It will die
warm crag
Yeah I don't really carr where lust is used, makes ppl used to dmg and healing t...
moving lust is inarguably an extremely effective tool of optimizing pullcount on a boss
by your interpretation of "correct prog" the commonly used strat on nexus king where if you have too many p1 deaths you still play p2 but put everyone on the same side is bad, even though it lets the ~15 ppl alive see a successful p2
remote bobcat
So i don't get your point
The entire point is that AM enjoyer aka. vinnieivor complained a bit about having to stay on adds. You say you jsut never listen to them.
My point is that during progression it's better to stay on adds and you ended up going on this insane tirade of how thats not progression for you and progression is better for you when you play according to the most efficient use of your damage.
Your entire argumentation is irrelevant to my premise of using a theoretically inefficient tactic to see more pulls as a beneficial way to get faster progression.
honest trail
moving lust is inarguably an extremely effective tool of optimizing pullcount on...
You keep saying "objectively l" and "inuarguably" which is just an authority argument if any at a
earnest canyon
You keep saying "objectively l" and "inuarguably" which is just an authority arg...
warm crag
can you disprove that moving lust is an effective tool of learning the fight/optimizing pullcounts on bosses
honest trail
The entire point is that AM enjoyer aka. vinnieivor complained a bit about havin...
How is that better to stay on adds if you'll end up not doing it in the end. If prevents specs who are supposed to analyze their dmg on them well
remote bobcat
How is that better to stay on adds if you'll end up not doing it in the end. If ...
because you will spend 30, 40, maybe even 100 pulls on top of the normal pull count wiping in p1 because of lack of add damage
"yea but thats not my job"
"thats inefficient for me"
warm crag
neither of us have access to studies on this shit as no one has the time in the day to study if moving lusts affects pullcounts but i can tell you from my experience in some of the lowest prog time guilds, and if you spectate rwf prog for like 2 hours tops, that moving lusts is just good lmao
remote bobcat
non-argument.
honest trail
can you disprove that moving lust is an effective tool of learning the fight/opt...
You might skip phases, mechanics, survive dmg, have cds allign wrong when you have it
Which you may not later
warm crag
You might skip phases, mechanics, survive dmg, have cds allign wrong when you ha...
the point of the lust is to allow your players to play their cds correctly while not "wasting" some in places they would need it to push it, when they want to save it for a later phase
honest trail
So you have to learn everything again
warm crag
or to see further phases at all
lusting p1 dimensius was there because 1. it was fucking hard 2. so you could see p2 at all which was not a very trivial movement check to learn
remote bobcat
So you have to learn everything again
You will have to re-learn timings but not mechanics. you've seen mechanics further into the fight 100 pulls earlier by moving lust making sure adds die and whatnot.
warm crag
your argument of "don't lust p1 because ppl will have to relearn the phase without lust" doesn't hold well either because people getting used to the fight, learning intricacies of the fight and shifting damage more efficiently will also affect when adds die, when bosses get pushed and when people need to reallocate damage. p1 of the first pull of the boss will never ever have the same outgoing damage profile of your 100th pull of the boss
remote bobcat
bro spongie imagine if the rwf guilds all refused to lust p1 at all
dimmy woulda been 600+ pulls
with their gear
honest trail
because you will spend 30, 40, maybe even 100 pulls on top of the normal pull co...
But once it's done, it's for good. How many guilds keep pushing to like P2 for the first time and then spend 3 days on P1 again anyway cause it's not mastered
It's the most frustrating thing ever
warm crag
okay but you're asking for a prog style that amplifies that frustration x1000 because you only learn phases by phases not the entire fight at once
any time you arrive in p3 you just instantly wipe because the current prog guidebook only goes to p2
honest trail
Yeah
remote bobcat
i'd argue its more frustrating to chain wipe on dimmy 1st add spawns for 50-100 pulls the very first time you see that boss solely due to not having damage on adds.
because warriors, mages and other uptime classes refuse to swap
because "inefficient"
honest trail
I guess we have different feelings then
remote bobcat
Yea but thats only a matter of frustration
once you take objective truths into account
such as
Simulating having more damage later during prog
by lusting early
or having someone swap to adds
in order to reduce pull count
because u see further into the fight
then there's no argument anymore
honest trail
My progression profile in raid has always been going downwards after a certain number of pulls on the same.shit over and over again and not learning new things
The more pulls we.go
The worst I get
Cause it becomes boring.as fuck
remote bobcat
Yea and what do you think would happen when you dont assign add killers and lust in p1 on dimmy
without turbo boost gear
you die and die and die again
remote bobcat
no your job is to stay on boss
ur waiting on other people to kill adds
becuase u dont kill back adds right
since its inefficient
with ur strat
remote bobcat
No im talking back adds
when back adds dont die
because there isnt enough damage on them
honest trail
Roar on all 3 targets
remote bobcat
because the people assigned on them arent good enough on dimmy yet
honest trail
Yeah
remote bobcat
you refuse to help them and so you wipe
not once
but 20 times
30 times
maybe 100 in a bad guild
before even seeing 2nd adds
honest trail
Changing guild at this point xD
honest trail
Talking to you isn't very enjoyable, Spongie has had similar views while talking nicely
But I do admit it makes somewhat of a sense
So there's that
remote bobcat
Yea spongie has been having these conversations 5 years before me where he let out all of his abrasiveness
warm crag
remote bobcat
honest trail
I come from very different games than WoW where progression is almost always blind with the lowest gear possible so everyone has to play optimally to pass each mechanics anyway
So there no real question there
I guess it's different here
remote bobcat
Well this is WoW, not different games
exotic halo
On pulls that take a while for all the mobs to be grouped in, like AraKara first pull, do I Bladestorm the miniboss the moment the tank pulls it, or wait until the mobs group in before using Bladestorm?
honest trail
I mostly BS to have overwhelmed stacks for reap procs
So as long as there's 5 to 8 targets
Idk what's best
remote bobcat
On pulls that take a while for all the mobs to be grouped in, like AraKara first...
You need bladestorm to apply overwhelmed for you, as Meowliseta said, so you need to hit as many as possible without waiting for 10 billion years for the last 3 spiders to come into melee range. You can and should reliably send BS when the majority have been grouped up. This is true for all pulls in all keys
honest trail
Also be careful that tank has built enough aggro
So it also depends on that
I am way more patient with a monk or DH
warm crag
I come from very different games than WoW where progression is almost always bli...
wow is very different in this sense where if you're not part of ~50 ppl globally you are just never doing these fights blind, but concepts from playing blind and non blind still transfer
honest trail
Than I am with like War or my BDK premade
warm crag
idk what games you're referring to but in d2 i'd use an ult to kill something quickly or save someones life to see more of the fight even if i need that ult to push enough damage to kill the boss, moving lusts around is identical in concept
honest trail
Mostly Chinese pve mmos that no one knows lol
Which I play in Chinese and manually translating everything
cobalt relic
gg
warm crag
very powerful
honest trail
🤣 idk but love wuxia
Anyway
I get your point
I am quite new to CE prog
I am confident in my individual skill so other questions come to mind now
meager bay
I come from very different games than WoW where progression is almost always bli...
If u were playing blind you would lust p1
Lmao
honest trail
If u were playing blind you would lust p1
For sure
undone flower
i'd argue its more frustrating to chain wipe on dimmy 1st add spawns for 50-100 ...
My current guild do the always hold bl, I bought drums
3 ppl dead for a phase : I instantly bl
Idk why it is a rampant issue
plush zephyr
was wondering who's still buying my drum stockpile from df
undone flower
you drum bl?
I consider leaving my guild only because of that
hollow leaf
earnest canyon
I consider leaving my guild only because of that
can i take ur place
undone flower
Easy to take, but I’m not in the mood of searching a new one, I barely play wow
ember apex
you told me you play wow all the time
storm rune
Nobody plays wow this season
earnest canyon
Nobody plays wow this season
Thats not a very festive thing to say William
storm rune
Feliz navidad (fuck season 3 and most of 2)
earnest canyon
plush zephyr
https://tenor.com/view/christmas-santa-drunk-gif-3867343
https://tenor.com/view/billy-bob-thornton-fucking-lunch-break-badsanta-lunch-break-angry-gif-9719892
rip bernie mac:(
storm rune
I miss the old Kanye
plush zephyr
I miss the old Kanye
Before or after he stole Kid Cudis music?
Also another artist I miss being not absolutely bat shit crazy
dull sable
I used to really despise his music as well.
Huge fan after he professed his love for a German artist or did you genuinely think his music is actually better now
Or did you used to; and still do hate him and his music
Like an OG hater
ember apex
Huge fan after he professed his love for a German artist or did you genuinely th...
his new music is more my speed honestly. I'm not a huge rap guy. new Ye is diff. I mostly like deathcore and synthwave and lofi jazz when I'm working.
but yeah I remember everyone used to love this guy and I soooo didn't now it's like flipped somehow
storm rune
Kid Cudi wasn't made for the business
Dude got played over and over again
Love his music but damn
Least Lupe Fiasco all but dipped once he dropped his trilogy
But nah after heartbreak dropped that was all but the end for Kanye, not gonna say all his work after that was bad
But it was definitely the beginning of the end
earnest canyon
I mean, Kid Cudi and Lupe Fiasco were good back in the day, but these days its all about P Dizzle and Big Papi XXX
Their bars are just sick
young swan
But it was definitely the beginning of the end
TLOP or Yeezus fits that description better
storm rune
I mean when the boondocks drop an entire episode dedicated to your album, you gotta know you're chopped
plush zephyr
Kid Cudi wasn't made for the business
I mean. He also did an insane amount of cocaine and went off the hinges. I like Hamiltons theory about Kayne going crazy from being addicted to nitrous from his neighbor being a dentist.
plush zephyr
I mean, Kid Cudi and Lupe Fiasco were good back in the day, but these days its a...
There’s a lyric in “What’s Beef” By Biggie that really made me reevaluate how I feel about him.
Probably the craziest line in all of hip hop
you’ll have to find it yourself lmao
there’s so many artists I can’t listen to cause their pieces of shit or rapists
earnest canyon
There’s a lyric in “What’s Beef” By Biggie that really made me reevaluate how I ...
That's deep man. Not a fan of most of his work, but when Yung Bubba Fi$h released Werkin and Jerkin, I was almost in tears
plush zephyr
Almost better than Cakey Wops
clever path
winter shoal
his new music is more my speed honestly. I'm not a huge rap guy. new Ye is diff....
deathcore fan saying they like kanye more after his more recent statements sounds about right
storm rune
young swan
carlo moment unfortunately
fringe vale
his new music is more my speed honestly. I'm not a huge rap guy. new Ye is diff....
Top 10 takes worth erasing and forgetting you ever said em
ember apex
deathcore fan saying they like kanye more after his more recent statements sound...
he said he liked Ye too. we can relax. I like new Ye he liked old Ye.
recent statments
implying I keep up with rap news lol
young swan
carlo moment
smoky vale
xan when is the tierlsit being made
young swan
not until the new year prob
worthy mountain
Guy has to go
lean ferry
Epic or nah?
fading sky
Epic or nah?
2 me epic
earnest canyon
"rap news"
i love the rapping
exotic halo
When Raging Blow hits multiple targets and triggers Reap the Storm, is it 100% chance at 5 targets, or it it calculated at 20% per target?
fossil grove
When Raging Blow hits multiple targets and triggers Reap the Storm, is it 100% c...
it's 20% per target, so around 67% at 5
compact knot
dense elbow
Cba.gif
lavish beacon
bitter palm
xan when is the tierlsit being made
xan slacking
hi gio five seven
when do u think skyreaver is coming back
gleaming siren
Gio six seven
earnest canyon
when do u think skyreaver is coming back
wednesday at 2:12
smoky vale
xan slacking
at 18:07
limber acorn
yo guys, how much does offhand ilvl matter?
kinda fresh 80 crafted 727 axe and bracers so far, dunno if i should go for an offhand or like a ring
OH rn is 717 sword from araz, thanks for any input ❤️
junior gale
You can sim it yourself for an exact number, but offhand is pretty low impact usually
junior gale
Hi Gio57
waxen vigil
limber acorn
aight gonna craft a ring i think
smoky vale
cocoa i havent found a healer
you could do a droptimizer sim to see which crafted would be the best for you
limber acorn
so most stuff scales off mainhand dmg if i understand correctly
or are weps just statsticks.. im sorry im a classic andy
smoky vale
mainhand is your biggest dps upgrade
vivid egret
what are warriros doing on dummies before the key gets put in for m+
vivid egret
is there a tracker for the timer?
young swan
like for the warrior?
should be pretty easy to just make a weakaura by pulling the spell ID
think most WA packs also track it
idk about tracking it as a non-warrior tho
modest condor
why look up the spell id if you can just use the name of the buff
young swan
whatever works
winter shoal
why look up the spell id if you can just use the name of the buff
What if I change the language of my client on a whim
Checkmate
earnest canyon
why look up the spell id if you can just use the name of the buff
Sometimes you have multiple spells with the same name, from npcs having it, testing, replacement etc...always better to use the id
odd stone
sorry for the probably dumb question, but when pressing rampage the enrage is applied first then the damage, or no?
it would be ok to let enrage fall off and then press rampage if it just works out tht way with the globals, or definitely make sure you press rampage with enrage
sometimes i'm in a situation where I can squeeze in 1 more raging blow while enraged and wondering if i should do the rampage instead
opaque crag
lmao, I just got instantly deleted in a Dawnbreaker 12. A single melee hit did 13 million damage. One second, fury warrior go brrrr. Next second, on the floor
storm rune
sorry for the probably dumb question, but when pressing rampage the enrage is ap...
correct, rampage self enrages before damage is applied
just try not to line up enrage falling off by squeezing in another RB with your last stack of meat cleaver
keen kindle
lmao, I just got instantly deleted in a Dawnbreaker 12. A single melee hit did 1...
skill issue for the tank
dapper goblet
@sullen dove
sullen dove
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limpid tide
is there ever a situation where u send reck but not avatar
sullen dove
is there ever a situation where u send reck but not avatar
maybe if a pack is only gonna live ~10-15 more seconds and you know there’s gonna be another big pack next
not let too much of Ava tick down walking from pack to pack but can pop reck get some code and let it recharge as you get to next to come up sometime during
In m+ at least
limpid tide
is it dumb to macro them together
sullen dove
you can but also sorta advised to just have a reck separate key one
to see its cd better and stuff
limpid tide
ye cause of the reck cdr
sullen dove
maybe have a bit more control if you care to but if not yea Ava/reck macro is fine
maybe u put reck first in the Ava macro tho Idr if one of the ways gives u more rage dont remember which one
limpid tide
so its rare to hit reck w/o avatar tho
sullen dove
I’m itching like it’s
Reck
Ava tho
yea probably
I mean you can have reck come up before Ava
limpid tide
ight ill probs leave them un macrod but good information non the less
sullen dove
but if you have both up at the same time I mean again unless whatever you’re fighting isn’t gonna let u have full use out of the cds you can just slam em together yea
Maybe some boss fights u like hold an Ava or something for an add set
like u might do that on soulbinder or something to attempt to pad even tho the adds die in .5 microseconds anyway
limpid tide
well reck will come back up again way b4 ava so im guessing its just learning the timing / judgement of what ur fighting
sullen dove
yea you’ll get a vibe for it
limpid tide
bet ty
gleaming siren
Throwback Tindral
fossil grove
I sometimes find myself at 79 rage instead of 80 after popping reck+avatar and charging at the start of a raid boss, even though I'm not pressing a button until combat starts. does anyone know what might be causing this ?
exotic halo
I sometimes find myself at 79 rage instead of 80 after popping reck+avatar and c...
Rage decays while out of combat. You think you're in combat, but you're not.
fossil grove
Rage decays while out of combat. You think you're in combat, but you're not.
hmm. but pulling a boss puts the whole raid in combat right? maybe im just slightly too fast on the trigger ??
undone flower
You can heroic throw if you want to be sure
warm crag
hmm. but pulling a boss puts the whole raid in combat right? maybe im just sligh...
idk its inconsistent, if you want to make it consistent you can macro heroic throw into your reck ava charge macro at the start to guarantee you're in combat when you pull
fossil grove
idk its inconsistent, if you want to make it consistent you can macro heroic thr...
right ok. so it's not necessarily a skill issue, but an issue of sometimes not getting in combat instantly when a boss is pulled? does heroic throw put you in combat the instant you press it?
warm crag
ye
fossil grove
ok thx. how do you guys solve it personally ?
bit annoying to miss like half a global pressing heroic throw
last lichen
instead of heroic throw, maybe whirlwind is better dps for that while charging in
fossil grove
I dont think that would work
last lichen
heroic throw doesnt generate rage, so unless you wanna be the one pulling. id whirlwind while charging in to get some rage
personally, ive had some insta deaths with being the first with aggro so i wouldnt risk it
warm crag
instead of heroic throw, maybe whirlwind is better dps for that while charging i...
ww doesn't put you in combat
warm crag
personally, ive had some insta deaths with being the first with aggro so i would...
you can wait 0.1s for the tank to taunt
last lichen
but it would give you the rage to get to rampage rage threshhold
warm crag
maybe depends how big the boss hitbox is
heroic throw is 100% consistent and not hitbox dependent
last lichen
although you'd be risking being first aggro'd. if you were that accurate with pull timing, just wait for 0.0 on taunt to be in combat 100% of the time
warm crag
you are not in combat 100% of the time that is the entire crux of this discussion
only way to guarantee you're in combat by the time you reck charge is waiting like 2s after pull or doing something that puts you in combat like heroic throwing
last lichen
the true crux of the convo is to get rampage in asap on opening, waiting 2sec is a waste. just giving an alternative, which is especially better in AoE events like m+ or AoE bosses, and safer than throwin out a high threat ability
bitter palm
only way to guarantee you're in combat by the time you reck charge is waiting li...
you could also taunt the boss yourself chatting
undone flower
instead of heroic throw, maybe whirlwind is better dps for that while charging i...
It works too, but it is fixing the issue by gaining the missing rage, it can be inconsistent
If you try to fix by gaining the missing rage, just RB as you first gcd it will be more consistent
earnest canyon
If you try to fix by gaining the missing rage, just RB as you first gcd it will ...
Are you still switching to Aug in Midnight?
undone flower
Maybe Hunter depends on what we need, 99% most likely I play war
fossil grove
are you guys just tanking having to bt/rb first global sometimes?? or do you do the heroic throw thing
remote bobcat
are you guys just tanking having to bt/rb first global sometimes?? or do you do ...
that only happens when u mess up the opener
earnest canyon
Maybe Hunter depends on what we need, 99% most likely I play war
noooooooo, huinter is my thing
undone flower
are you guys just tanking having to bt/rb first global sometimes?? or do you do ...
Heroic throw or : start the fight at the end of the /pull 15
hardy bluff
are you guys just tanking having to bt/rb first global sometimes?? or do you do ...
just throw
you dont lose anything
dense elbow
Real Warriors open with Taunt
#showtooltip Charge
/cast Taunt
/cast Reck
/cast Charge
earnest canyon
🥳
fossil grove
that only happens when u mess up the opener
I swear it happens sometimes even when I dont mess up the opener, like here: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QR6VnzKxhrFWCDLm?fight=41&type=casts&source=43&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24resources%240%24214817133.0.0.Warrior%240.0.0.Any%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%240%24101&view=timeline
remote bobcat
I swear it happens sometimes even when I dont mess up the opener, like here: htt...
you messed up the opener.
you need to reck first.
fossil grove
you messed up the opener.
oh ye I can see that. thats odd though, cause I have reck first in my macro
remote bobcat
it actually states it as having 80 rage
funny
The rage gained by reck and avatar was depleted immediately, you werent in combat it seems
🤷♂️
fossil grove
yuh, but I should be in combat when it's not me pulling the boss right
remote bobcat
yea
fossil grove
like, i'm pressing the buttons .8 seconds in
remote bobcat
ik
u shouldve been at 80, the only possible reason you're at 79 instead of 80 is if you werent in combat but idfk atp
dont have the brain capacity to read the log rn
fossil grove
just doesnt make sense to me, cause you should be losing all your rage if you have any before combat starts right?
happens here as well, but without the rage from avatar disappearing: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VNxdQ6gftFq3j8ha?fight=33&type=casts&source=24&view=timeline
remote bobcat
i mean you also slowly deplete rage by being afk
fossil grove
ye but if the boss is pulled I should be in combat
plush zephyr
#showtooltip Charge
/cast Taunt
/cast Reck
/cast Charge
Why you gimmie this
fossil grove
but the out of combat depletion is the only thing I could think of that would put me at 79 exactly
plush zephyr
I’m about to troll some +2s
warm crag
ye but if the boss is pulled I should be in combat
you are not automatically put into combat when the boss is pulled
fossil grove
oh, I thought that was how it was supposed to work
warm crag
it probably is but as it stands right now, the boss being pulled doesnt put you in combat 100% of the time so the rage you gain from reck ava ticks down from being out of combat
only consistent solution is to do something to put you into combat before reck ava like heroic throw
fossil grove
right ok, that makes sense. also explains why it only happens every once in a while on a seemingly random basis
hardy bluff
just doesnt make sense to me, cause you should be losing all your rage if you ha...
you need to be in combat
not every boss puts the entire raid in combat first millisec
iron snow
In AOE after blade storm, does slaughtering strikes / brutal finisher cleave onto all targets or that empowered rampage only applies to the main target?
marble rover
Hey guys, quick question. was checking some top warrior logs on dimensius and noticed that some peeps are gettin an Enrage proc at the start of the fight, however, our warrior takes around 8 seconds to get his.
I know fuck all about fury so I have no clue what causes it. Any tips? ^^
fickle dirge
Hey guys, quick question. was checking some top warrior logs on dimensius and no...
This is the standard fury warrior opener, you would %99 use these abilities in order while pulling a boss.
Recklessness->Avatar->Charge->Rampage
This gives you 80 rage immediately when the combat starts. But you have to use Recklessness AFTER the combat starts. If you use before combat your rage resets to 20 and you can't use Rampage to get enraged.
sullen dove
wutdahely
maybe not bad tho might actually make me want to do m+ like that
but gyatt zamn
gonna have omega key pushers in rwf huh
Especially since extra tracks is sooo fucking many more crests now
save like 30 going from 3-4 or something
50 from 2-4
half an entire weeks worth of crest upgrades on 1 item for doing an insane key
kinda cool
but also maybe more of the bit of “raiders have to m+ and m+ers have to raid” that people I don’t think enjoy lol
plush zephyr
? would be way bigger if ppl had a reason to push after 3k
silk wharf
UNless keys are super easy I suppose.
plush zephyr
reason you never see ppl higher than 16 is there's no reward outside of title
sullen dove
I mean I’m sure it’s gonna be crazy in first few weeks
but maybe like a month in for more normal ish players can push ppl to do higher keys
I think I’m prolly somewhat capable but yea just never felt a reason to bother
just not sure how rwf is gonna take these changes if a +18 is even possible with week 1 gear will be cool to see
plush zephyr
is rwf still going to be a thing?
sullen dove
like doing hm taz but a lot harder prob lol
plush zephyr
i thought it was basically going to die the way they were releasing it
silk wharf
just not sure how rwf is gonna take these changes if a +18 is even possible with...
That is what I mean. It's most impactful for the people who can leverage the increased ilvl as soon as possible. That isn't a wide net.
plush zephyr
I mean. It's the same players that blitz to 3k first week, it'll just be more ppl blitzing to higher keys faster
young swan
i thought it was basically going to die the way they were releasing it
its fine its just gonna be long
silk wharf
It is certainly nice later on, for sure. But largely meaningless after a few weeks.
young swan
and they wont be at the event facilities past the first 2 raids prob
plush zephyr
It is certainly nice later on, for sure. But largely meaningless after a few wee...
isn't everything?
young swan
It is certainly nice later on, for sure. But largely meaningless after a few wee...
idk less crests farmed is literally always a W in my books
plush zephyr
all depends on perspective but overall it's good for the game
if they reallllllyyyy wanted ppl to do high keys they'd put mogs behind +20s
plush zephyr
but then there would be zero reason for the pvpers to pvp
poor guys
the 20 ppl still playing
plush zephyr
put the challenge mode stuff behind 20's and key participation would sky rocket
That's all high keys issue is imo is just lack of normie participation/flooded with gate keepers
silk wharf
Why not both
plush zephyr
idc anything to increase high keys would be cool. could even increase tanks/heals by making a title for getting all 10s with a heal/tank/dps
just ideas
silk wharf
The role thing, that would be neat.
smoky vale
maybe not bad tho might actually make me want to do m+ like that
login bud
gio super team online
sullen dove
yea next expansion pal
storm rune
idc anything to increase high keys would be cool. could even increase tanks/heal...
This was the only reason I played a healer last season, worked for me at least
celest halo
idc anything to increase high keys would be cool. could even increase tanks/heal...
Don’t they literally have this? Or was this a joke that I missed
odd stone
just try not to line up enrage falling off by squeezing in another RB with your ...
to clarify, are you saying try to use the last stack of meat cleaver on a rampage?
I'm currently finding the flow to mostly be ww, execute, rb,rb, ramp. Is that mostly ok or should I prefer to do ww, rb, rb, rb, ramp?
storm rune
to clarify, are you saying try to use the last stack of meat cleaver on a rampag...
Oh sorry no, I just mean with all the recent buffs to WW it's actually a decent % of our overall now so it's nice having the enrage damage amp up for when you need to refresh meat cleaver
I wouldn't put too much thought into that final comment, it's feelcraft on my part, and if it does have a positive impact it would be negligible regardless
vast nymph
any high key runners i can ask for some help?
vast nymph
15+
vast nymph
i just wanna see if theres more i could be doing to do more DPS, like if im too low or just missing something important
hardy bluff
you seem to be doing fine
i wont go through all your logs if youre asking that sorry
this is my guy if you wanna compare
vast nymph
doesnt have to be all if one run can be looked at
hardy bluff
your damage seems fine
winter shoal
i just wanna see if theres more i could be doing to do more DPS, like if im too ...
The space of things you could be doing wrong is theoretically infinite; outside of very fundamental rotation, talents, and gear choices, it's just really not feasible for someone to review everything and figure out what you're doing correctly or incorrectly. You will likely get much more value out of asking specific questions about things you're unsure of, both because you're more likely to get an answer and because that answer is more likely to be actually useful and not just "go read the wowhead guide"
The process of identifying specific questions will also teach you a lot in itself. Generally, in order to identify what specific questions you might have, you would also need to identify what differences exist between what you do and what higher level players do, and then by identifying those differences, you've already basically arrived at which of the two options is more likely to be correct
And you might reasonably ask why they did what they did vs what you would have done, e.g. "why did they hold bladestorm when it came up during this pack", but that question is much more easily and comprehensively answered because it is specific
bitter palm
goated advice
hollow owl
in remix, what vers and ilvl do i need to have to be able to do +30 keys? Im at 70% vers and 730ilvl
sullen dove
probably 200% verse minimum to take the least amount of dmg possible
and i mean capped ilvl would help like 779
but if u do every mythic raid every day thats prolly like 20-30% verse daily
not including if u wanna bother to do more content past that
and ilvl will cap with like 1 more full clear of raids probably
undone flower
dense elbow
<@237283524040851459> 100% Furry fury
No, I just like cats 
earnest canyon
No, I just like cats <:catman:769917539835969587>
That's what a furry would say
dense elbow
That's what a furry would say
earnest canyon
coarse nest
gm gg
earnest canyon
bg
earnest canyon
Need a new name suggestion
Doglover
burnt oxide
Furryfury
storm rune
real wars know what up
fresh creek
first ce lets go
modest condor
grats
winter shoal
W gratz
sullen dove
w better than swordish
earnest canyon
w better than swordish
🤣
coarse nest
w better than swordish
Actually!?
smoky vale
Actually!?<:critcake:984549832511344640>
dapper goblet
hollow owl
probably 200% verse minimum to take the least amount of dmg possible
awesome, thank you!
sudden tusk
smorbsmish in painge
coarse nest
junior gale
glad coyote
anybody know if bladestorm ignores the pull on dimmy?
junior gale
yes
high sedge
never too late to cut your losses
high sedge
nah keep gambling actually
sullen dove
undone flower
You are the reason for 100 pulls
gleaming siren
w better than swordish
no YOU are better swordish
better than the soredish of yesterday every day is an opportunity for improvement get that bread
high sedge
earnest canyon
well there goes 2m gold
I used cash money to buy midnight because I have no gold
hollow leaf
I used gold because I have no cash money
earnest canyon
i figured.
earnest canyon
i use cash to get gold to get midnight
Wait dont you live in Egpyt?
flat river
yes and?
noble edge
free moneys?
vast steppe
On the dimensius topic
Could I bother some friendly 5head fury to help me understand why the heck my raging blows are hitting like wet noodles on Dimensius damage amp on this first kill log?
I have this log comparison as reference
I'm just stumped here, I can't see where this damage difference is coming from
modest condor
On the dimensius topic
Could I bother some friendly 5head fury to help me unders...
crit diff
here are the raging blow casts during the damage amp
you basically have no crits
just unlucky
vast steppe
modest condor
np
coarse nest
<:vel:265648244917272576>
Don’t worry my character refuses to proc or crit anything either.. great spec
vast steppe
Don’t worry my character refuses to proc or crit anything either.. great spec
I need to go back to Arms man
coarse nest
You’re tellin me I feel the same way 😆
sterile sigil
Hey does anyone do coaching for warrior ? DM me
remote bobcat
Hey does anyone do coaching for warrior ? DM me
Hey mate you can post gameplay in #1347646810457636974 and if you specifically want more detailed coaching then you can also record your gameplay alongside posting logs to get more specific help. I'm currently not home but I tend to grab a lot of fury help requests and there are many others who do as well
winter shoal
If you're nice, Hrothmar might even review an arms log for you
winter shoal
Ehh I think coaching can still have value, but there's a ton you can do for free on your own as well
Coaching also has layers of uncertainty though, like the skill of being a good player isn't identical to the skill of being a good coach, and even if someone is a good coach in general, that doesn't mean they communicate and instruct in a way that's particularly effective for you as an individual
remote bobcat
There are a shitton of top 100 level players willing to teach for free in the warrior community
because warriors help warriors.
i dont think that everyone can teach well, but if there's enough input, growth will occur
dense elbow
Just one thing, please dont buy coaching.
Dont listen to this guy
buy Fury Warrior coaching, for only 3 forum posts about how Odyn's Fury needs buffs - you can get at least 3 hours of coaching per patch note change!
big value
remote bobcat
A lot of people also assume that paid coaching is higher quality than free help from fellow warriors, but that's obviously not inherently true
remote bobcat
Dont listen to this guy
buy Fury Warrior coaching, for only 3 forum posts about ...
true.
dense elbow
To be fair, Skyhold got something for anyone. Ya will likely find someone that helps you in the way you want. Just ask, don't be an arse, and there will be plenty to get even the worst from a struggling to get 3k andy to title holder
sterile sigil
honestly i know the general basics i just wanna fine tun and mid max a little bit i see alot of warriors currentley pumping in M+ and im not there i wanna see what im doing weong you know
winter shoal
honestly i know the general basics i just wanna fine tun and mid max a little bi...
I've written a bit about related topics here #fury message
remote bobcat
honestly i know the general basics i just wanna fine tun and mid max a little bi...
the main min-max is using bladestorm as a set-up cd rather than a dmg cd in m+
🤷♂️
dense elbow
Best advice is to look through your own logs and vods, you should be able to see the biggest of mistakes. Then accept that you will do mistakes no matter what, even the best of us does. Try to iron out the worst, then achieve whatever goal ya going for
remote bobcat
^This is true what funky said
remote bobcat
bowwl thoughts on making this into a google doc or similar and then posting it in pinned?
🤔
winter shoal
Real
remote bobcat
I mean "just read pins" is a discord server meme across all servers i get that but it would genuinely help out no?
winter shoal
Idk maybe come midnight when the wowa rewrite is live I'll petition Archi/mods to pin something like that in the log review channel
and then also have a disclaimer on there that you should look at wowa first before asking
dense elbow
Sadly, most ppl that need basic advice wont read pins - and ppl who look up advice from ppl, instead of googling, do it for the reason they wont look at the pins
they want human interaction, human advice
direct and personal
Pins will never cower that
remote bobcat
winter shoal
Me when I put genuine thought and heartfelt advice into those walls of text
I'm trying to be direct and personal sadeg
remote bobcat
i mean i swear to god ive told the same advice to like 30 different people in #1347646810457636974
shit like
opener is:
uptime:
n shit
its the same shit over and over again
winter shoal
There's a reason I went through the hassle of updating wowa instead of continuing to review logs lmao
I used to review a ton of them
dense elbow
Yep, but everyone feel they are an unique speciment of a situation
winter shoal
But yeah same shit every time
dense elbow
so is what it is
frank crystal
Is there a rotation guide in here ?
winter shoal
Is there a rotation guide in here ?
winter shoal
I got you bb
dense elbow
Worst part is when you say someone needs to work on the basics, and they get mad at ya
remote bobcat
"I think im pretty good on fury i just need to fine-tune some things" into clicking whirlwind 8 times in a row during aoe
seen it all
dense elbow
the things we seen
To be fair, it still makes me smile when I see innocent things like:
In Prot, a warrior is going "I am following what you said, I press slam when I can!"
If you know you know, if you dont - ya aint a warrior
remote bobcat
thick fossil
@sudden tusk waiting to see your tier list on which paint dries the fastest. lol
sudden tusk
25 minutes talking about why seafoam green is the best and also to argue it probably shouldn't used on inside walls. Maybe a sunroom at best
thick fossil
Uh huh, fair fair. Vallejo mutant green is really close. Little deeper and rich. Dries super fast though. lol
woven valley
brittle snow
Returning player here hows fury feeling this patch?
winter shoal
This patch as in right this second or on the Midnight beta?
Currently fury feels pretty good rotationally, it's simple but fast paced and generally pretty well-liked. One pain point is that a lot of raid fights are set up around damage amp phases, which we're not very good at, but we still do pretty good damage overall despite that
brittle snow
I see i see
finite lotus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDKWvGb0mvs I just got demi side note i played fresh meat.
sullen dove
I needa watch dat
junior gale
Playing Free Bird for Dimensius is a guaranteed good time
it starts ramping up at the perfect moments
rose bay
gratz
winter shoal
Bro has the color coded wasd keys it's over for everyone else
You should turn on a light though
Gonna nuke your eyeballs
sullen dove
My brother sleeping off to the right did reduce brightness a bit doe
raid time from 5-8am for me naise
winter shoal
ngl if you asked me to raid at 5am while I'm on vacation overseas so I can throw myself at dimmy for another 100 pulls
I simply would not
pearl sequoia
5am raid time is diabolical
sullen dove
yea I mean I don’t mind being free but I don’t want to be the reason we’re free
but also I was under the assumption I’d still be tanking like I did all last week
but another dps tryin it out now so ig not that big of a deal for me to be here other than just chadge dps of course
Going to Poland in a few days tho for some reason
pearl sequoia
land of the based
sullen dove
flat river
rate Europe setup
Rate my setup
high sedge
they are calling it the most polish setup
undone flower
Not enough carpets on the walls for Eastern Europe setups
hollow leaf
Rate my setup
show hairline
hollow leaf
Hairline check
🥵
hollow leaf
hollow leaf
just fishing for 2 pieces now
undone flower
https://tenor.com/view/silly-dance-sea-lion-gif-18060641275691946665
I am sea lion too
warm crag
just fishing for 2 pieces now
you forgot to enchant and socket all your stuff silly
hollow leaf
you forgot to enchant and socket all your stuff silly
I didn't forget anything 🙂
plush zephyr
Rate my setup
Why are WASD ashy as fuck
unreal onyx
just fishing for 2 pieces now
You forgot approximately 700% versatility
remote bobcat
rate Europe setup
ur in europe? where at?
remote bobcat
Hairline check
shit dawg my hairline lowkey worse than that
plush zephyr
I got my hair fucked up twice last two times I got it cut, so now I have long hair lmao
remote bobcat
Actually i think i just got corners but the density of my hair is solid
remote bobcat
I got my hair fucked up twice last two times I got it cut, so now I have long ha...
nice
idk if that was it but i had hairs fall our a lot when i was taking creatine half a year ago, they grew back since
saw lots of baby hairs that are fully developed now
plush zephyr
Yeah last two times I just asked for simple high and tight/faded sides and both times they game me some mullet Patrick Mahomes shit
Cause that’s the “style”
Or that’s all they know how to do now and I need to go to an actual barber
remote bobcat
Yeah last two times I just asked for simple high and tight/faded sides and both ...
im rocking solidly long hair now and it honestly a breath of fresh air, im liking it so far and my gf is obsessed with me cuz of it ngl
plush zephyr
Only thing I don’t like about long hair is showers. Shit takes forever to dry off lmao
remote bobcat
true
but i learned that you dont actually get sick when you leave the house with wet hair, contrary to what my mum has been telling me for years on end
so i just dont give a fuck anymore
remote bobcat
i havent gotten sick since doing that
hollow leaf
You forgot approximately 700% versatility
Yeah I strarted like 2 days ago xd
ember apex
Yeah I strarted like 2 days ago xd
i started about 6 7 days ago
coarse nest
i started about 6 7 days ago
ember apex
(:
earnest canyon
i havent gotten sick since doing that
You will get sick eventually, and when your mum comes to visit you, you will be like "I'm sorry for not drying my hair mum, I brought shame on this family "
upbeat coral
for simming max prism stacks, is there an easy way to just add 28k strength to my character?
high sedge
why tho
upbeat coral
not warrior specifically but trying to weigh our dks PI sim with max stacks vs someone else
for dimensius burn p3
high sedge
whats the other class?
high sedge
you can look at wcl with best log for dev and best log for frost and see who does what dmg in the amp
upbeat coral
but that wouldn't show me the raw gain of PI
surely there is a way to just add 28k main stat to a sim without much hassle
frank crystal
I do we use bloodthirst during our rotation in keys ? Sorry for skipping the rotation guides!
high sedge
i think you would only use it to apply overwelmed if you dont have BS going into a new pack
frank crystal
i think you would only use it to apply overwelmed if you dont have BS going into...
Tyvm
hollow leaf
can I solo VotI yet
tacit epoch
Hi! I just started playing Fury Warrior and have a question about rage management.
Do we try not to overcap rage? Or do we keep stacking the RB buff even if we're rage-capped? And what about rampage after using Bladestorm?
hollow leaf
Hi! I just started playing Fury Warrior and have a question about rage managemen...
the only time you care about spamming rb is during your brutal finish window, other than that rampage at 115+
So after bladestorm you spam as many RBs as you can fit into your enrage window and then rampage
tacit epoch
Thanks < 3
fallen ginkgo
We spam RB for reaps in big big pulls tho
hollow leaf
depends how big the pull is, mostly it's a sidegrade to single target rotation
winter shoal
Rate my setup
Good for you taking omega 3 supplements
humble sable
I have a question, does kick work on dogs?
young swan
huh
warm crag
I have a question, does kick work on dogs?
elaborate
undone flower
but that wouldn't show me the raw gain of PI
Bloodmallet has a PI section
young swan
Like can you kick dogs?
if you value the information in this discord you will just stop talking
unborn delta
In mechagon last season the dog didn’t have anything to kick so no
humble sable
In mechagon last season the dog didn’t have anything to kick so no
Thanks!
coral rune
We spam RB for reaps in big big pulls tho
Hello, I was wondering about this as well. New Fury player. In very very large AOE pulls, does there reach a point where spamming RB for reap the storms starts to take priority over wasting a global to reapply whirlwind? So really just keeping enrage up and RB if available. Thinking like zug strat for soulbinder, or some key pulls.
And even then, maybe delaying rampage until last moment to keep enrage up--if only to get more reap the storms out, and rage may overcap? If that makes sense.
winter shoal
Hello, I was wondering about this as well. New Fury player. In very very large A...
The chance to proc reap is affected by the targets hit, so if you let the whirlwind buff fall off, your reap proc rate effectively goes from 67% to 20%
With respect to overcapping rage, it's probably correct to still RB over rampage regardless of rage (provided you're maintaining enrage and whirlwind), but there's some nuance to still using rampage enough to get enough cdr to open with bladestorm on the next pack
winter shoal
I got you funky
good vibes only in #fury
bad vibes can be confined to #1423009037808570418
remote bobcat
With respect to overcapping rage, it's _probably_ correct to still RB over rampa...
if (pack == healthy)
Raging Blow;
else
Rampage;
``` or something like thatthank you. Your explanations for both answered my questions perfectly, I appreciate it. I'm pretty surface level knowledge so in my head I wasn't aware RtS procs relied on WW. Thought they kinda just sat with 10 stacks of overwhelmed and then could just fire away. WW cleaving 4 more targets in a pack of 10+ felt minimal
winter shoal
The whole reason slayer became popular in keys this season was because they changed that reap interaction
It used to only be based on your primary target, now it's based on every target hit
remote bobcat
^
we hit 5 targets for up to 20% reap proc chance each
so we get up to 67.something% reap proc chance
winter shoal
But yeah each reap proc applies overwhelm so after your initial application via bladestorm, you should maintain stacks very easily
That's also why it's so important to have bladestorm for your opener on each pack
coral rune
you guys are awesome, thanks again! yay learning
winter shoal
🫡 we love learning
dense elbow
I like that guy, didnt hit ya lads with how toxic you are or anything
need more sprouts like that
winter shoal
I feel like this is an excellent case study for my walls of text about asking specific questions and getting useful answers
winter shoal
"is it worth letting ww lapse to use more RB in aoe" is a specific question that can be directly and comprehensively answered
dense elbow
Yeah, helps when ppl know what they are askin'
dense elbow
Please put gear as #1
it is the main issue in 60% of cases, as ppl go "why I only do 1mill DPS"... "I am 432"
Then ya can slap rotation at em
winter shoal
heard 🫡
dense elbow
I cant wait to be one of three ppl that click that link, in total, over two decades
modest condor
Please put gear as #1
make sure it's VERY CLEAR that this is talking about ilvl and not about secondaries
dense elbow
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earnest canyon
I cant wait to be one of three ppl that click that link, in total, over two deca...
i clicked it
remote bobcat
make sure it's VERY CLEAR that this is talking about ilvl and not about secondar...
The amount of players saying they dont know why they underperform running around with hero track gear and infinite crests to craft ..
earnest canyon
The amount of players saying they dont know why they underperform running around...
They exist? Its an mmo at the end of the day
remote bobcat
earnest canyon
<:monkahmm:1382590600439664751>
Are you talking about yourself
remote bobcat
winter shoal
I think BS lets you yeah but idk I'm a vault key andy
You could check vods from top warriors to see how they handle javs
keen kindle
Did I miss something here?
That's a fake one
Ain't no way someone wants a warrior in a +20
unique vigil
Ain't no way someone wants a warrior in a +20 <:keks:936231610850897992>
? War is good I have 20s on my fury alt
keen kindle
I was making a joke
alpine palm
Did I miss something here?
Ye, there is a choice node in the Slayer tree that allows you to break out of movement impairing effects by using Charge
Charge the other javelin and yours will disappear
modest condor
what is this, warrior utility?
unique vigil
Ye, there is a choice node in the Slayer tree that allows you to break out of mo...
ahhh didn't think of that working ty
subtle lagoon
Charge the other javelin and yours will disappear
Charge anything including the boss and it disappears
alpine palm
Of course, but in my experience the boss tends to be too nearby for a charge and the other javelin will naturally be further from you since they have to position away
subtle lagoon
Could be playing with other people that can also instantly get their javelin to disappear too, giving yourself nothing to charge at if you're only thinking about charging a secondary javelin. I like to put distance between myself and the boss before javelin goes off to charge back easily
summer quail
Can fury actually cheese the javelins? lol
yeah, you just charge to the other javelin
slayer frees you
smoky vale
Can fury actually cheese the javelins? lol
you can charge and remove it
unique vigil
Ah I see! So it seems like what you’re saying is if I charge something then it will be removed!
hazy cedar
Fury.
rough root
as i question for your opinions, I'm trying to get more aoe damage during m+ and needing to pick between either sacbrood and pacemaker and wondering what's better?
radiant plank
sac
rough root
for the haste?
radiant plank
sure
rough root
thank you
cobalt kernel
should sim 5/8t 45s/1m
summer quail
sac is just no thinking, no playing around. much nicer trinket
proccing pacemaker at the end of a pull, then you don't have it for next pull bullshit
rough root
true
haughty carbon
Quick question for the MM+ guys! I’m around 3.5k rio and I’m starting to wonder whether, for higher keys, it’s worth optimizing talent choices depending on the dungeon — especially since there are mandatory packs you have to take alongside bosses, etc.
So for example, playing certain keys with Odyn’s Fury in the build to gain more AoE damage: does that sound dumb, or does it make sense to you, even if it means losing some single-target DPS?”
“Of course I know it depends on the dungeon — for example, Street would clearly be bad with an Odyn build — but for Ara-Kara, Priory, etc., which have larger trash packs?
haughty carbon
Okay, thanks !!!
remote bobcat
Quick question for the MM+ guys! I’m around 3.5k rio and I’m starting to wonder ...
french detected
earnest canyon
oh oh
haughty carbon
french detected
Guilty🤣🤣🤣
earnest canyon
actually conflicted cause ben didnt use those fucked up << >> brackets
Hon hon, les guillemets monsieur twirls moustache
haughty carbon
Dont Forget the « CROISSant » 😂
remote bobcat
yea dawg this aint funny
earnest canyon
yea dawg this aint funny
ur american arent u
remote bobcat
no
remote bobcat
I invited you to my guild one time and i helped you through delves back in s1
but its ait
plush zephyr
all you 57 people all just blend into one for me, sadly
ember apex
what is 5 7
smoky vale
earnest canyon
if im [Clueless](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/947671183103508530.webp?size=...
ive asked, got even more confused. I think they are all lovers or something
smoky vale
@sullen dove he can testify
smoky vale
its equal to the amount of revvez equal 1 of me
sullen dove
I’m in Poland
smoky vale
nice one next time respond to any one of my dms
sullen dove
next time try not to send me 3 in a 1 hour timeframe less likely to catch a temp mute
ember apex
its equal to the amount of revvez equal 1 of me
this sentence doesnt mean anything
sullen dove
was chuffin solo packing my luggage for me and my goofy ass brother
earnest canyon
I’m in Poland
why
smoky vale
this sentence doesnt mean anything
try reading it again
ember apex
it still doesnt make sense
smoky vale
maybe need to redo your phd
sullen dove
zevver
ember apex
??
earnest canyon
What is a revvez
holy priest for Echo
eternal sundial
What is a revvez
0.25critcake
thorny peak
Is the dps worth the recraft from double vers setup to ascension for raiding?
earnest canyon
Is the dps worth the recraft from double vers setup to ascension for raiding?
sim it, that will be super fast to sim
thorny peak
Ok
zenith coyote
Hey, i have a quick question for raid. Why is it in most of the top logs im looking at they're casting bloodthirst after bladestorm when the guide specificaly states to spam raging blow after?
modest condor
they're not, you're looking at unhinged procs
zenith coyote
oooooh that makes so much more sense
so all the bloodthirst casts aren't actually them physically casting its just all procs
winter shoal
Me when I ask a specific question and immediately get a specific and useful answer
winter shoal
so all the bloodthirst casts aren't actually them physically casting its just al...
Exactly
zenith coyote
thank you so much! im being asked to go fury for a boss and im kinda trying to understand why im slamming each button
winter shoal
🫡 good luck soldier
tbh as long as you're generally pressing one of [RB, execute, rampage] you'll do fine
zenith coyote
is there any other kinda tips or tricks to edge out that extra damage? (im doing the three DH bosses specifically) from what i can tell now its just whirlwind - rampage - raging - raging and spending any execute procs
avatar and recklessness i guess i just send?
winter shoal
avatar and recklessness i guess i just send?
For the most part yeah, if they come up near the end of an intermission it might be better to hold for a couple seconds until you can hit all 3 bosses again, but you generally just want to use them on cd
zenith coyote
aye aye, that makes my life so much easier
winter shoal
is there any other kinda tips or tricks to edge out that extra damage? (im doing...
- refresh ww if it fell off
- maintain enrage
- 3x marked for execution execute
- RB
- rampage
- execute regardless of stacks
- fill with BT if you have to
That's for an aoe fight like soul hunters at least
zenith coyote
alright, thanks so much! time to top the meters
winter shoal
W
ember apex
werent we talking about 6 7, how did we get sidetracked into all this
coarse nest
undone flower
5 7 hihihi
modest condor
42
smoky vale
yep
alpine palm
these are all good numbers, nice job all
covert coyote
oof prepatch = warrior dam massive down
winter shoal
Yeah we have like +60% auras on all our abilities or some shit rn
prepatch will reset those to 0
storm rune
we had DF prepatch to make up for it though, always a ying to the yang
winter shoal
Crazy work that they're changing tier sets bc so many of them are being baked into hero spec trees, but our tier set isn't
Yknow the one that is basically universally loved
covert coyote
that's what I meant mostly
undone flower
Well, mfe is dead
covert coyote
gaining 16% damage won't come close to making up for the RTS loss alone
dire timber
does anyone have an idea of max amount of secondary stats to have?
feral ivy
umbral whale
I really want to like and play this spec but pugging as fury is a pain, so many declines and passed on, even for farm keys
winter shoal
pugging in general is a pain