#fury

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lavish pond
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all situations

coarse nest
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If you don’t like idol run pacemaker instead in its place

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Sacbrood + pacemaker is a good combo for M+ really

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Depends what trinkets you all have

calm estuary
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obviously sim yourself, but pacemaker was marginally worse in AoE, and better in ST, so I'm going with that

coarse nest
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I’m also not an idol enjoyer

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It’s not really that bad to use just not a fan

calm estuary
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It feels weird to do double crit trinkets but that's what my sims keep saying so, i shall listen to the robot

coarse nest
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It’s likely due to not having much Crit anywhere else

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This marginal difference is why I just play without the cast nuisance

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Of course can’t perfectly control when pace buff is active

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But ehh

summer quail
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rather have the cast nuisance over pacemaker proccing as the last mobs are dying. effectively wasting the effect

coarse nest
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Fair enough yeah depends how much a person wants to optimize

summer quail
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<@&257983573498265600>

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oh goddamn that was fast

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my ping didn't even finish

sullen dove
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lurkers

smoky vale
sour frigate
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Rude.

upbeat lantern
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does it matter which weapon I have in my main hand slot??

young swan
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higher ilvl

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otherwise no

hallow sphinx
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promised this run to donjohn sry pimp @slim coral

slim coral
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stuck in floodgate prison for my last 19 and then I can start the 20 resil run

hallow sphinx
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atleast ur not 3999.6 serioussloth

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(my sanity is not it)

hardy cargo
hallow sphinx
half tide
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@hallow sphinx you think the region knows yet.....

half tide
pearl sequoia
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wow wow wow

hardy cargo
earnest canyon
undone flower
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ask your mom

jade cipher
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guys i'm too used to my audible weak auras, thats how i've been playing for years, hearing my procs and reacting

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they really taking that away in midnight?

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its very anti accesibility

undone flower
eternal sundial
undone flower
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Because there is sounds option on the auras of the cooldown manager

eternal sundial
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Just without conditions

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It wont do chaching when you refresh your AJ/MFE/2nd stack

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Just a noise when it procs

jade cipher
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i mean when there is a spell going on me, and i'm focusing on my dps, i wanna hear it, when boss reaches 35% and i'm playing arms i have a weak aura that says its execute time, and many more

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i am better with audio than visuals, and my eyes are not the best

undone flower
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Oh yeah scripts like that are gone in Midnight

jade cipher
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when people give me defensive, my weak aura says, for example blessing of sacrifice, i wouldnt see it otherwise

eternal sundial
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Nope

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Cant even track it on the manager iirc

jade cipher
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fucking with how people playing for ages just to take it on console

undone flower
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I’ve heard there is an external buffs option on the alpha

eternal sundial
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I cannot have the dancing pirate weakaura

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Shame

undone flower
jade cipher
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so whats the point of this pruning, weak auras is a very beautiful and essential tool imo

undone flower
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I guess it’s to simplify the game, weakaura is both a plague and a good feature

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Reminder is staying from what I understood

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So unless they make dynamic boss timelines, you will have your sounds for mechanics

eternal sundial
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Also it's impossible to raid at a human level without the addon

fair tundra
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what option you choose on raidbots for m+ sim?

alpine palm
alpine palm
# fair tundra what option you choose on raidbots for m+ sim?

You can choose Dungeon Slice, but I think its useful to sim Patchwork 1 target and Patchwork 5 target. Dungeon Slice will be be some combination of single target and aoe. Doing patchwork sims gives you a clear indication of whether or not a change will improve your ST or AoE performance

fair tundra
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ty

alpine palm
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Hold up

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The more I think about the triple Fury in PSF comp it gets less meme-y. Reflecting 3/5ths of Fireball casts or 100% if they're running Intervene. That's a couple hundred million boss dam. And 2nd boss Castigator's Shield is nearly a 1 shot for any non-tank and hits for ~33mil per reflect, so we're talking nearly 100 million boss dam per Castigator's Shield cast.

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And they probably have some spooky tech on the last boss where they taunt and reflect a cast then have the tank taunt back, like last boss in HoA

nimble kraken
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cursed stone idol, do I press it before the cd window or during?

eternal sundial
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You can use it with charge

smoky vale
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before

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hi philliam

dense elbow
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👋

coarse nest
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👋

lavish nimbus
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Thane is pretty much trolling at this point even on heavy aoe dungeons right

dense elbow
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I wouldnt say so, but Slayer is simply too wellrounded comparably atm

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OF is essential btw gladge

alpine palm
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I want OF to be good but the difference in all scenarios is basically a wash

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like...1% or less gain in aoe, 1% or less loss in ST

gaunt loom
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jeez

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i hate you stone idol

eternal sundial
earnest canyon
trim hound
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All trinkets are now passive and trigger effects when you pop CD's. Easy, hire me blizzard okayge

eternal sundial
earnest canyon
cobalt relic
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prison

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gg

eternal sundial
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All gg

viscid oxide
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guys im thinking of making the switch to fury cause im sick to shit of doing f all st dps

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im wondering though, if i just straight up change talents and jump into m+

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how gimped am i cause of my arms stats?

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apologies im so tired,

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those are the stats

undone flower
alpine palm
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Is duration useful information? I see some high level wars track duration of temp pot, trinket, etc, but I don't see how that will ever influence your rotation or decision to use or not use a cooldown

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Like, its all used together at once and has a static duration.

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I dont get it

trim hound
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Agreed, there might be some niche cases where it's usefull but yeah

eternal sundial
undone flower
eternal sundial
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idk if its a logevity thing

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but im playing pala on classic and thats fun

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@undone flower

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what do i play

solar marsh
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im new to plater can i get one who show's me which cast i can spell refelct XD

wraith wharf
eternal sundial
coarse nest
earnest canyon
undone flower
earnest canyon
undone flower
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The gameplay is unredeemable trash for me

eternal sundial
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its alright

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ngl

undone flower
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It was fun when I played wotlk 50 years ago, when I didn’t have enough horsepower to use the phone and internet at the same time

earnest canyon
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check out wow grandma stream

undone flower
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I just prefer retail, so each time I try classic bc peer pressure I alt f4 lvl 20-30, my mind constantly whispering why would I not play the better version

iron portal
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I was there, 3000 years ago

undone flower
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When warrior was meta

earnest canyon
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fuck me i typed an essay and discord did a minor restart

stoic echo
earnest canyon
elfin harbor
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guys what would you take in Lemix. Avoidance // Speed or life leech?

earnest canyon
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but it caps at 49% unless ur a dh or something

elfin harbor
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Ok so speed until 49% then life leech for m+ ?

earnest canyon
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yeah thats what i did on dh

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i get another 95% speed on top, so im at like ~140ish % speed

brave lava
undone flower
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3 patch I play war, only 1 active trinket I used, skarmorak shard, macroed on avatar, never cared about the duration or the cd

alpine palm
undone flower
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  • 2p is not coming with us in midnight, and MFE got changed
cobalt relic
lavish nimbus
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is it dumb to macro reck/avatar together

modest condor
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no that's fine as long as you also have a seperate bind for reck

alpine palm
undone flower
brave lava
alpine palm
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How does AM fit into the discussion here?

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Im aware of it, just not putting 2 and 2 together

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and ye im mostly oblivious to Midnight stuff. I don't wanna doom and gloom before everything is set in stone

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Champ Spear being a grip was going to be fucking sweet

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but

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RIP

brave lava
alpine palm
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Yep, as said Im thinking of M+

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For sure in ST

brave lava
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In mm+, i think we should also do single target rotation (with ww OFC) to maximize prio damage that we're excellent at it

There are low dungeons where doing full aoe is better than prio target

alpine palm
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That's a hot take

undone flower
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By pressing rampage

alpine palm
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If I'm not mistaken, Fury is a pseudo funnel class. ST will necessarily increase with mobs around via more reap the storm procs

undone flower
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It is cleave

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Not funnel

alpine palm
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But it functions differently than most cleave afaik

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you don't typically get an increase in ST from having adds

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with cleave

undone flower
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The main target dmg is reduced when you press ww every 4 gcd

alpine palm
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Right, but this guarantees Reap the Storm procs with each RB assuming you ahve 4 adds around

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Which is your hardest hitting ability

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on a per cast basis

undone flower
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But you lose 20% main target dmg

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if we say ww does no dmg

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And your fake funnel is capped at 5 and is reduced with more targets

alpine palm
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As I said, pseudo funnel

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Im not claiming that theyre Mages

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but there is a funnel-like effect present

undone flower
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But I’m saying it is not funnel at all

brave lava
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It's not really funnel cause ok, you up reap the storm damage on main target but you reduce overall damage to the main target by using ww

meager bay
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20% less gcd casts on main target for >+20% chance of rts proc

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Is a dps gain

alpine palm
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I don't agree that it reduces ST damage, at least not given what has been put forward so far. I get that you have to cast WW every 4th cast - I contend that this cast is offset by guaranteed or increased chance of Reap procs. I would like to sim this but I'm not good enough with it

junior oyster
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Does funnel mean damage to main target specifically is increased with add count?

alpine palm
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That's how I understand it

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If there's more to it please elaborate

brave lava
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Yeah but from 5 to 20+ target, there is no differences cause we're cap at 5 target for our cleaving rb

undone flower
undone flower
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On top of pressing ww every 4 gcd

brave lava
alpine palm
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From Reap

junior oyster
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If yo'ure talking NET damage on the pull, yes, but that's irrelevant to the definition of funnel, no?

alpine palm
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I get that it is soft capped and will deal less damage, but not none

brave lava
alpine palm
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Sim it brother. This was true last season but is no longer the case

remote bobcat
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i miss s1 RA

brave lava
alpine palm
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My 5 target is 19.28m My 10 target is 24.85m

smoky vale
brave lava
undone flower
junior oyster
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I'm confused. thought the question was "cleave vs funnel"

alpine palm
undone flower
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Because it’s 20% on each targets

remote bobcat
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1-80%^5

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i think it was

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wait

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add brackets

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type shii

alpine palm
remote bobcat
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i mean it is

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but ur context is wrong

alpine palm
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If you add a 20% chance event five times, it certainly is

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Ah

remote bobcat
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its 80% to not get reap, 5 tries at that

alpine palm
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How does it work in WoW

remote bobcat
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means 33% chacne to not get reap

remote bobcat
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(1-0.8)^5

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is the chance to not get reap

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therefore

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1 - (1-0.8)^5 is chance to get reap

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which is what

meager bay
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Rts has to do like ~2x damage of the skill count ur missing to throw a ww

remote bobcat
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67.x%?

undone flower
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Six seven

remote bobcat
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6 7

alpine palm
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What

remote bobcat
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want me to explain it slower

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or

undone flower
alpine palm
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For sure, I just thought that it was possible to guarantee reap procs

remote bobcat
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it is not

undone flower
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Press RB 3 times and you will have close to 100% to have a reap proc among those 3 RBs keks

alpine palm
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If you look at the damage dealt on a per cast basis from rts and if we assume a 5 target scenario, taking RTS from 20% to 67% proc then it is not clear cut.

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Is anyone here a sim wizard

meager bay
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U can just math it

undone flower
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You can see main target dmg on sims reports

remote bobcat
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Before the hotfix:

20% chance to proc reap on 10 stacks of overwhelmed. Numerically, this means the chance to not proc reap is 80% or 0.8

After the hotfix, we can run this calc 5x as we have 5 targets now.

The chance to not get reap the storm is 100% - (80%)^5 or whatever the actual calc is ( i never liked statistics )

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the ^5 is the 5 targets we hit

alpine palm
remote bobcat
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the result is a 67.232% chance to proc reap

meager bay
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Yes which is 47% higher then st, which means rts has to do roughly 2x the count ur missing to throw a ww for it to be a st dps gain

remote bobcat
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i mean

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raging blow itself gets spread

undone flower
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How to do it

remote bobcat
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and so does HnS i think

alpine palm
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Thank you

remote bobcat
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was it HnS or WnF that got the aoe fix too

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well regardless we get more raging blow resets

meager bay
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Idk what ur talking about

remote bobcat
meager bay
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It’s literally just is rts > 2x rampage or 2x raging + 0.2 * rts

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If so then yes st gain

remote bobcat
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its not though

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because more shit is at play

meager bay
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yes sorry the only other skill

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2x execute

remote bobcat
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Rampage value is skewed as fuck

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depending on if you need AM resets or not

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if you need raging blow stacks or not

meager bay
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Is it more then 2x rampage

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Cause if not none of that matters and it’s worse anyway

remote bobcat
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idk your simplified calc ignores so many aspects of damage calc

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i cant agree

meager bay
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My calc is the min bro

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So if it’s worse

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It’s worse

remote bobcat
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no like

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how can you ever look at RTS damage in a vacuum

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when theres always more behind it

meager bay
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As a min

remote bobcat
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the minimum of reap the storm is RTS damage + 1 stack of slaughtering strikes + raging blow damage (i guess ur thinking aoe so meat cleaves raging blow damage?)

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thats the bare minimum

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not just rts in a vacuum

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this also modifies the rampage damage

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that is within your simplified calc

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and its not ignorable

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since you ALWAYS get this

meager bay
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Bro is rts > 2x rampage or not

candid stag
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havent played war in awhile.. this shit is hard specially in keys

meager bay
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Or 2x raging + 0.2 * rts

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Or 2x execute

alpine palm
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19 DB Rampage Dmg

remote bobcat
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bro you are asking a question which is accurate based on your premise but you are working on an inaccurate premise

alpine palm
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Reap dmg

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Idk if this helps

remote bobcat
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since this is all amplified numbers based on background conditionals

meager bay
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It does

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So it’s less then 2x

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So it’s not a dps gain

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Case solved

remote bobcat
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smh

alpine palm
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I don't think its quite so simple. This is feelscraft till its simmed

remote bobcat
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ive run raging blow vs rampage sims in aoe

meager bay
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It is that simple

remote bobcat
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it is not.

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anyway

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ive run the sims before

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like a month ago or sum

meager bay
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Well for all 3 counts

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Raging + execute too

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I assume similar

remote bobcat
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raging blow spam slightly beats rampage at 130

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in full aoe target dummy scenarios

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but

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m+ is not like that

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so raging blow gains value when u hold bladestorm

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rampage gains value when u need to reset bladestorm

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thats the "case"

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case solved

meager bay
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We are talking about wether or not you have funnel damage boost in 5 target situation on prio target

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Ur not even talking about the same question it seems

remote bobcat
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oh right ur stuck at that

alpine palm
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Ya Im trying to get some type of objective answer to what happens to ST damage

remote bobcat
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Rampage is more ST than Raging blow

meager bay
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Actual braindead lmao

alpine palm
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in AoE scenarios

remote bobcat
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at 130

undone flower
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@alpine palm i sent you the explanation to sim rotations

remote bobcat
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exe > rampage even

meager bay
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Again if rts is not more then 2x raging +0.2 rts, or 2x rampage, or 2x execute it is strictly worse

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If it is > then it gets complicated

alpine palm
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Got it thanks

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Hadn't seen the 'accept DM' feature before

lapis rose
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guys can i ask does my raider io auto save logs? i mean i want logs from last key

remote bobcat
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i mean check your logs folder if theres a new file

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if theres a new file with an output close to current time or when u left the key, then yea it got saved

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and u can upload it to wcl

earnest canyon
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I didnt know raider io did this...apparently their desktip client auto does it if you enable it

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I just always use warcraft logs

lapis rose
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oh i found, raider io logs also in wow folder but not everyone key logging

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but raider io should save every key logs

obtuse zephyr
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Should I be refreshing Improved Whirlwind at 1 stack, or using them up, then refreshing?

cobalt kernel
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in some cases its better to refresh but if youre new to the spec i would just use them all

sullen dove
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if u got rb or ramp up no real reason not to use it, even a 3stack exe potentially does alot of dmg, but if ur best current choice is like a bloodthirst for example maybe not as big of a prio to it hit and can refresh to get ready for the next ramp/rb spamfest

obtuse zephyr
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Got it, thank you

remote bobcat
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its a 67.xx% reap the storm proc ykykyk

sullen dove
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ye but its a baby reap

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rb reap xeos

remote bobcat
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true

pure crow
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Probably asked a million times already but do we rampage only when enrage is about to fall off? Also is there a better talent between the haste/dmg enrage? Or i just have to sim

sullen dove
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haste usually always better tho u can "try" the dmg one in aoe bit more preference there, and single target u dont wanna overcap rage i.e. ur not waiting for enrage to almost fall off b4 using ramp, but in aoe you might wanna play more like that

gentle walrus
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Haste after you’ve slammed that energy drink, damage when it wears off and you can’t keep up.

silver tapir
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can anyone let me know what those interrupt assignment/addons are? as well as your best interrupt approach? after hitting 3500 i realise i cant just hit ints whenever i feel like and trying to get better at cc as well. would also love a good plater profile as my interrupts get hidden sometimes. feel free to share anything else that would help me and others in regard to ints/CC . thank you!

modest condor
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jundies is great as far as plater profiles go

earnest canyon
silver tapir
modest condor
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idk who it is either i just know it's a good plater profile

earnest canyon
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this looks pretty clean so far, so thanks

modest condor
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enjoy the 3 months you get to use it before they remove 90% of plater functionality

chilly fractal
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I used Plater a bit back in WoD I think, then I stopped using it for years when I cut the amount of addons I was using and didn’t pick it back up until this expansion

earnest canyon
last vessel
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quick question

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as slayer in M+ should I pick one target and just keep hitting it? Or is there a gain to tab target to other mobs? (sorry missed pressing shift on the first message)

gaunt loom
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i think this is better than stone idol for me

lavish pond
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Whats the best way to create stacks for overwhelmed?

dense elbow
# lavish pond Whats the best way to create stacks for overwhelmed?

I presume you meant how to get applications out, to activate the tierset.

#1 by a mile is Bladestorm, if you dont have bladestorm ready then you use Bloodthirst over Raging Blow till you gotten 6-7 stacks (can be fast or slow based on Reap RNG)

Always hold bladestorm so you got it for the start of the next pull. This is important for ST bosses and AoE trash. Feel free to send BS on CD as long you see you will get it back in time

hardy cargo
lavish pond
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Using BT how many stacks of overwhelmed u get? Is it RnG?

hardy cargo
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u get 1 every time reap procs

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so if bt procs reap

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u get 1

undone flower
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And you get some per mfe you consume but it is only 1 target

remote bobcat
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^

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People always forget execute based overwhelmed

floral belfry
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Is there any video or something out there going through our TOP m+ trinket choices? I have em all but I struggle to figure out what's best for me / feels best. Sims are all over the place. Having to use Idol mid pull feels ass

arctic portal
cobalt relic
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got that resi

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GG

earnest canyon
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gg wp

young swan
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if no antenna, pacemaker is prob your next best option

hollow leaf
# cobalt relic

and to think not long ago you were asking how much vers you needed to live 16s

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proud of you bud

cobalt relic
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legit

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still asking that

young swan
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ask gilneas

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hes been a sicko this season

sullen orchid
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Hi "Powerful Enrage" is better than "Frenzied Enrage" ? for m+

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How do you play ?

smoky vale
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its more aoe

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but less st

sullen orchid
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ah ok thx

smoky vale
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both are fine

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if you notice people play powerful only in certain dungeons

sullen orchid
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yes

cobalt relic
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I never knew

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ppl run it

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its op in gambit/ara kara/flood no?

lapis rose
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guys which spell did most dps in keys, rb or reaper?

cobalt relic
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reap the storm

lapis rose
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ye, fine

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ty

smoky vale
cobalt relic
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not gambit?

smoky vale
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after first area rest of gambit is like 8 mobs

cobalt relic
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wait do u run barbaric training as well

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on top

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then

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xddddddddd

smoky vale
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uh you can

undone flower
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Barbaric training is free dps anyway, even tho it is very smol dps

hollow leaf
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I love being told by my shaman that did 1 kick the entire dungeon that I did nothing and am just talking shit

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most kicks
most stops
no deaths
most dps
"You did nothing"

earnest canyon
modest condor
cobalt relic
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is the difference dps wise

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sidearm vs barbaric training tho

hollow leaf
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<1%

cobalt relic
earnest canyon
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Hmm....there is a pattern here.

hardy cargo
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ive been really enjoying running kick cdr talent but the grp im playing with are very low on kicks we r kinda doomed on priory

lean cave
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should we be overcapping to spam RB or do we use Rampage to make sure we don't overcap?

cobalt relic
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overcap

lean cave
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thank you ❤️

remote bobcat
hollow leaf
remote bobcat
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as long as ur enraged, that is

rose bay
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silly question, but what should our rep be with the raid this week

earnest canyon
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whichever tier gives you the 12% dmg buff

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it might even by 12

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*be

rose bay
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kk! ty

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thought i missed a week

sullen dove
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when they adding back the real best warrior ability

earnest canyon
bitter viper
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LF 🇫🇷 Pour explication de la spé !
pour m'aider a mieux comprend la spé , je me sens trop faible et je parse que en bleu max et en mono gris souvent

earnest canyon
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@undone flower Alerte, alerte ! Un lapin français a besoin d'aide !

bitter viper
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XD

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It's not an insult XD

misty tartan
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Do we only use Execute on single target with Sudden Death?

remote bobcat
misty tartan
remote bobcat
misty tartan
bitter viper
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@remote bobcatHey, no mate. This is an English server, but there’s no rule saying you have to speak only English. So if I want to speak French, English, Russian, German, Spanish, Japanese, Korean, Chinese, etc., I can.

remote bobcat
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i did not expect this level of rule nitpickiness

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i applaud you, sir

undone flower
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Ja

lime perch
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We are all warrior

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No need to be hateful

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Most of us can’t read anyway

radiant yarrow
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what embelishment for m+ may i ask ?

lime perch
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I like 2x verse personally

dense elbow
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Same

hidden stirrup
radiant yarrow
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i currently have myth track pacemaker and eradicating trinkets. what are good m+ trinket i shd dinar//vault for?

faint oriole
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The sac.

earnest canyon
loud moon
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IS there a reason guys are playing so much vers? Surely is for pure defense? it's nto like DH where some of your damage isn't affected by your mast...all their damage is affected by mast right?

sullen dove
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dh mast is just chaos dmg which is like all magic types no think it should affect most of their dmg

#

but i mean yea at this point in the expansion it always turns out like that, you get more and more stats from your gear so robot tells you to get some different stats

#

like if u already have 60% mastery which most people are around right now, is it better to get another 10% mastery and go from 1.6x dmg to 1.7x dmg while enraged, or maybe go from 10% to 20% verse and do 1.1x more dmg or 1.2x more dmg, all multiplied with all your other stats

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like kinda is the whole point of "diminishing returns" at a certain point getting more of one stat isnt as valuable as getting more of another stat

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otherwise if mastery was always the best stat we'd just play with 100% mastery and 0% any other secondary and that'd be very weird

#

but verse is good for damage

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so whatever robot says to put on is fine to put on

compact knot
#

it actually is just good once you hit diminishing returns on haste and mastery

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also when you get better trinkets and borrowed power like our cloak, vers also gains a lot of value

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(thats stuff that doesnt scale from our mastery, and barely scales from haste)

scarlet dock
#

my damage in halls of attonment
7M overall ilvl 720

#

isnt this something wrong ? i saw people in warcraft log doing 12M

#

am i doing something wrong?

high sedge
#

the higher the key lvl the higher the damage

scarlet dock
#

So do you think 7 M is good in 13?

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i mean i know its enough but if i can do higher somehow , why not right?

remote bobcat
scarlet dock
#

am i doing something wrong?

remote bobcat
#

Yes.

scarlet dock
#

How much i should do ?

remote bobcat
#

8.5 to 10mil

#

With your gear

scarlet dock
#

how can i know what i,m doing wrong?

remote bobcat
#

Delete every mage and paladin you have on your account

#

That will show you the way

scarlet dock
#

i dont play mage and paladin

junior gale
#

theres like 10 different things that go into overall that you have no control over

#

not worth spending your time to think about

high sedge
#

damage in key is heavily influenced by how your tank pulls

scarlet dock
#

i dont use bloodthird even once , is that can be the reason?

high sedge
#

comparing damage at the end of a key dont really mean anythin

junior gale
#

If you want to improve in M+ record your gameplay and compare it to other really good players

high sedge
#

just open their logs

#

and see what they are doing

scarlet dock
#

if i dont know what i,m doing wrong , how can i fix by watching people

high sedge
#

compare your casts to theirs

junior gale
#

by comparing how you play and them

remote bobcat
#

M+ checkbox list:

  • Do you have bladestorm beginning of every single pack? Your 4set is your aoe and it requires Overwhelmed on the target
  • Do you spam Raging Blow properly? Do you randomly weave in whirlwind every 3 spells isntead of 4 spells? Do you accidentally press it twice a lot?
  • Do you properly position yourself to hit around you?
  • Do you play with a snooze tank with slow route?
scarlet dock
#

i do not use bloodthirst at all , can that be it ?

remote bobcat
#

General damage checkbox list:

  • Do you track your Enrage and do you play around it?
  • Do you track your sudden death conditions and do you play around marked for execution properly?
  • Do you have proper enchants/flask/potion/weapon oil/food
remote bobcat
scarlet dock
#

1.yes
2.i just do it everytime i see an icon on my wa
3.yes level 2's

remote bobcat
#

Idk at this point you have to send a log brother

scarlet dock
#

i will go a dang rn and start a log

high sedge
#

if you have bladestorm for every pack

#

its not worth tracking

scarlet dock
#

i do have it

cunning condor
#

can't join in a key,because team esports is playing right now

#

they too cool for me

#

prolly would get invited if i played one button bm hunter class

dense elbow
# scarlet dock So do you think 7 M is good in 13?

If you are higher dps than the others in your group, your overall does not really matter. Cause that tells me the tank is what is holding things back, that with low boss dam (with no trash under it).

HoA is basically all how tank keeps chaining once prio targets are down+them dying

So again, compare yourself to the group each run is the way

cunning condor
#

ah well the elitism in this game

scarlet dock
#

well the sad thing is
i have never dealed damage more than 7.5 Overall

cunning condor
#

how so dude

#

cursed stone idol with antena and u booming

#

especially in 17 and higher keys

dense elbow
#

Again, my point stands. I done 7m and 12m, only diff is the group and not my gameplay. So if you are doing more than your groupies, don't wory about it

A great tank will allow me to 10m when everyone else is AFK on bosses, but combine it with the avg low-key tank, and I will drop hard and fast

scarlet dock
#

i,m logging and will show u in 4 min

#

40

cunning condor
#

yo a question is there a good burst macro that you can implement with charge + cursed stone idol ?

dense elbow
#

Can't say there would be, as warrior don't do burst damage Hydrate

junior gale
#

there is but I dont recomend it

#

just press da button

cunning condor
#

my trinkets rn. I also have a pacemaker myth

cunning condor
#

man i am tempted to try prism on warrior

#

shouldn't be that bad?

#

with every avatar

#

bam

dense elbow
#

Do it, max stack it and nuke bosses

junior gale
#

yeah we totally care about strength

#

surely right

remote bobcat
#

you can do it but its not something mindblowingly good

dense elbow
#

It would likely make you look better on bosses, as you won't have others as in a big lead on pull tho

#

So nice little ego boost

junior gale
#

then the sub rogue walks in

cunning condor
#

and in raids screams and eradicting

#

still n1

junior gale
#

and slaps his thing on the bench

remote bobcat
cunning condor
#

but rouge cant carry two 2 handed

#

he gai

#

stealthed boy

high sedge
#

nah real pad offenders are windwalker monks in raid

dense elbow
#

Doesn't make the unit any less of a total unit
Doesn't make the tiny winy any less whiny

Fury trying to minmax burst is always silly to me

high sedge
#

nobody wants to face the truth

remote bobcat
#

its only true for soulbinder

high sedge
#

ww goated at sniping add damage

remote bobcat
#

and nothing else

high sedge
#

araz too

remote bobcat
#

i wouldnt rly call that goated.

dense elbow
#

I guess if you go prism, OF %overall would go up from 2-3% to maybe 3-3.5% tho wadner

cunning condor
#

i might get prism

#

honestly

#

its end of season 200 same players are playing m+ anyways

dense elbow
#

I would get it just for funsies, why not

high sedge
#

my class down so bad 🥀

dense elbow
#

Shaco = Rogue, = good

high sedge
#

nah i aint playing rogue

cunning condor
high sedge
#

im playing the spec that doesnt need good tuning to get in

#

its poorly tuned regardless

cunning condor
#

wait is blood fury best racials for fury warr

#

for pve

remote bobcat
#

no lmao

high sedge
#

voidelf passive >>

remote bobcat
#

orc is below average, actually

cunning condor
#

wdym below average

dense elbow
#

Let him explain himself before you shut him down, maybe he talking about burst still

cunning condor
#

look dmg inc rease

#

that shbit is irrelevant

remote bobcat
#

vulpera to velf is 100k difference

#

not irrelevant

high sedge
#

velf is pretty sizable but ye it doesnt matter that much

dense elbow
#

100k on 12m sounds pretty meh to me

remote bobcat
#

100k difference on fractillus is 99 parse to 97 parse or smth

high sedge
#

thats ST

remote bobcat
#

thats significant

#

to me

high sedge
#

velf look bad

dense elbow
#

Just crit more, bad player

high sedge
#

so not significant enough

remote bobcat
#

all elves look bad yes

dense elbow
#

Oy

#

Nelf bis

remote bobcat
#

especially nelf female and velf female

dense elbow
#

Get out

high sedge
dense elbow
#

Velf/Belf i agree on tho

#

Looks awful

high sedge
#

saying female look bad when male is bottom visual ever

remote bobcat
#

and i fucking stand by it

undone flower
#

if it's enough that you notice it, it must be a lot

high sedge
remote bobcat
#

not a ragebait

#

this is my genuine opinion

#

if u play nelf female velf female belf female

undone flower
#

Gnome.

remote bobcat
#

ur a basic bitch

dense elbow
#

It is the basic option for a reason. And you know why

Cause Nelf is BiS

remote bobcat
#

Velf is bis, actually

#

but alas

dense elbow
#

No nonono

#

Noooooo

undone flower
#

nah velf no no no

high sedge
#

ye saying that and then be playing male human paladin

#

or war

dense elbow
#

Not at all

high sedge
#

🗿

undone flower
#

male any elf is no no

remote bobcat
#

unfortunately velf, one of the basic bitch races, has the best racial

#

the BIS racial for damage

undone flower
#

who cares

remote bobcat
#

People who care care

#

you clearly dont

undone flower
#

looks >dps

remote bobcat
#

so why question it

high sedge
#

nelf for m+ too goated

dense elbow
#

Shadowmeld opop

undone flower
#

i would like racials to be removed

dense elbow
#

I dont

#

I like em

high sedge
#

i'd still play nelf

wild mural
#

Or atleast let us pick and choose them

warm crag
wild mural
#

Like a drop down or an NPC

warm crag
#

get a grip

undone flower
#

if let us pick : just remove them at this point

dense elbow
#

Please stop

wild mural
#

I'm bored of being a nelf on my druid and warrior but shadowmeld too good

undone flower
#

idk i only did 17-18s, what key lvl you start needing it ?

dense elbow
#

Let the game have some RPG to it at least sadge it is part of the setting
It creates at least some feel around the game being warcraft

wild mural
#

I find it useful in crest farm keys where tanks seem to breathe through a tube and can't maintain aggro

warm crag
#

if you think racials are the last bastion of wow feeling like an RPG you are thoroughly cooked

dense elbow
#

It is part of it, for sure and I stand by it

wild mural
#

Or dropping targeted abilities that I CBA to tank like the purification beams in PSF

undone flower
#

press ER -> charge the next pack

dense elbow
#

12s we can tank for quite a bit nps

undone flower
#

i fully dps on the gatherings

warm crag
#

if anything, racials existing are very much against the aspect of rpgs where you could play another fantastical race but really shouldn't because this specific one does the most damage for no reason

wild mural
#

Yup but I CBA to use my brain

#

Turn off brain press shadowmeld keep spamming buttons

remote bobcat
wild mural
undone flower
#

you don't have fun playing your char*

wild mural
#

If I was pushing or actually not benched for Dimmy prog Id be happier

dense elbow
#

Unlucky

#

Should have done more DPS

wild mural
#

Real

#

Only parsed a 30 or SMT on NK prog kill

#

On balance

dense elbow
#

Ya play chicken 🐔
Ya deserve bench

undone flower
#

big burst on the dmg amp those druids

wild mural
#

My warr is now better geared than my druid anyway

remote bobcat
#

you have "resto druid" in your name and the MOTW server tag cuh

wild mural
#

It was fully resto geared and I was playing balance, had 0 crit

remote bobcat
#

you're a druid through and through

wild mural
#

I have more CE on warr than druid

cunning condor
dense elbow
#

Still, got to suck being benched for late dimmi prog

As ya prob won't reclear it and guild will fall apart after the kill

cunning condor
#

plus my orc warrior looks beefy like every warr should look like

dense elbow
#

sadge I am sorry

remote bobcat
cunning condor
#

like 100k up and down ain't nothing

#

thats bs

#

100k wont make you rank 1

dense elbow
#

Cause the #1 is private and 1m above you either way keks

remote bobcat
#

ive had multiple rank 2 kills back in s1 where like 30k was the difference

remote bobcat
#

so speak for yourself

cunning condor
#

so that 100k

#

wont make a difference

dense elbow
#

I love you say 100k matters a lot now, cause you lacked 30k two seasons ago monkahmm

scarlet dock
remote bobcat
#

30k on 3mil then, 100k on 6mil now

#

do the math idk

#

dont rly care

#

it matters

#

it does

scarlet dock
#

Check please

remote bobcat
#

ive seen it matter

dense elbow
#

You just needed to crit more, don't be bad

wild mural
dense elbow
remote bobcat
scarlet dock
#

look at my damage in first pack

#

it was a lot of adds

#

i dont think its good

remote bobcat
scarlet dock
#

the packs was pretty big

undone flower
remote bobcat
#

two roughly equal spikes

scarlet dock
#

just watch rotation please

wild mural
#

I mean if you don't have bladestorm stacks right

scarlet dock
#

see if i,m doing anything wrong

#

i think its a big thing that i,m missing

#

i did good this key but i could do a lot better

#

packs were massive

dense elbow
#

Dayi don't trust me, fbm

scarlet dock
#

🙁

remote bobcat
#

this type of situation is where you miss out on some damage, frequently

#

ww -> 3 spells -> ww -> 5 spells

#

it happens a lot to you

scarlet dock
#

i do ww on 3 when i dont have raging blow

#

when i have a lot of raging blow i just keep pressing it

undone flower
#

press on bt

dense elbow
#

BT

remote bobcat
#

or this where u just dont have bladestorm ready

scarlet dock
#

what u mean by BT?

cunning condor
#

this is my st dmg

undone flower
scarlet dock
#

why should i use BT?

remote bobcat
wild mural
#

Would the imminent demise stacks going into first pack make a difference? I can't see the timeline on mobile

remote bobcat
dense elbow
#

Kronzo already told you

cunning condor
scarlet dock
#

i did not understand it

undone flower
scarlet dock
#

i know someone told me before

remote bobcat
scarlet dock
#

oh

cunning condor
#

u gai?

scarlet dock
#

when i dont have my raging blow and execute on WW I press bt

#

i get it

scarlet dock
#

but is it the reason my damage is so low?

dense elbow
remote bobcat
#

its a full set that everyone and their mother used at one point

dense elbow
remote bobcat
#

be creative man

#

thats why i dont like the mog

scarlet dock
cunning condor
#

what creative i added cloak

undone flower
#

it destroys your dmg, but if you do that mistake, more are committed 100%

scarlet dock
cunning condor
#

and im not interested in any tmog at all

scarlet dock
#

i mean you told me but i dont know how much its effects me

cunning condor
#

i dont chase tmogs this was the one i really really wanted

scarlet dock
#

is it so important or minor?

scarlet dock
undone flower
#

just imagine if you press ww not for stacks = you pressed nothing

#

so every 3 gcd you press nothing, it tanks your dps yes

#

or if you press 5 spells between each ww, one of the five does 4/5 time less (so no dmg if you compare to the other 4 spells)

dense elbow
# scarlet dock yeah i didnt understand it i,m sry

Your DPS is hard TIED to whole group performance.

If you are the top DPS and by a bit, you are doing well. If you are behind, you are doing badly

YOUR DPS IS IMPACTED BY THE TEAM AS A WHOLE

sure you can minmax some, fixing the WW and lack of BS opener will help ya. But the big swing is all tank and the party killing things fast. And if everyone is doing a lot less than you, it ain't fast.

scarlet dock
dense elbow
#

Cause he is a DH, DH burst

#

We don't

scarlet dock
#

he finished the pack same as me !

#

not bursting , finishing

#

in first pack he did more than me

dense elbow
#

And on overall?

scarlet dock
#

well he should be able to do more than me in aoe

dense elbow
#

The thing I am trying to make you see is what matters as a metric

scarlet dock
#

-15 ilvl less than me

dense elbow
#

Doesn't matter, he still got CDs to amp dam. You do not

scarlet dock
#

i,m aware that tank is matter and its up to others performance i know it but i,m still having dps problem

#

i can feel my damage low

dense elbow
#

Is it tho, play a 15-18 key, and come back

scarlet dock
#

some packs i do 20M and some packs i do 10M and in my eyes i do both rotation the same thing , how its so much diffrent ? i dont know

#

sometimes i do lesser damage in massive packs and it just makes me wonder

#

in first pack i might have done everything correctly mayby like 2 or 3 minor mistake but my damage was massively low

dense elbow
#

You can be 20m cause others did not nuke, or did nuke

Your DPS isn't always about what you do

scarlet dock
#

in 2nd pack i did just normal rotation and it got me 20 mill and it was way smalled than first pack

remote bobcat
#

Please consider that it takes time in combat to collect the pack where you have low damage just going into it.

#

i think my pants are broken

#

(yes i want my warr to look homeless thanks for asking)

manic temple
dense elbow
#

Sure we do, prestack

manic temple
#

I was going to get to that

dense elbow
scarlet dock
#

what is that

manic temple
#

you can pop a dummy and stack up, BUT it might not be worth it in a 12

undone flower
#

and you can do 10m+ overall without doing this

manic temple
remote bobcat
#

^

manic temple
#

I'm just saying, you'll see other classes do insane damage on those first massive pulls, it's quite normal warriors do way less

#

not 10m, but less

dense elbow
manic temple
dense elbow
#

Ya need that low add health pad

manic temple
#

I feel like bro's coming here to get some pointers and you guys aren't really helpful

#

Skyhold's better than that

dense elbow
#

I already given the good pointers, he said he forgot. Same with Kronzo, it was forgotten

scarlet dock
#

can i add sound to my wa to scream when my WW stack finishes?

dense elbow
#

Sure can do

high sedge
#

count in your head

#

1 2 3 4 WW

scarlet dock
#

how

#

i need a sound

remote bobcat
#

we gave him pointers long ago

dense elbow
#

To a problem that isn't really real

#

I am just hammering on, hoping it changes his mindset as I go more and more out of whack

manic temple
dense elbow
#

We did our best

#

Now we pray something stuck

dense elbow
#

I guess you do

remote bobcat
#

News to me that drawn characters are inherently gay but ait you do you with your crazy opinions mate

dense elbow
#

Not what he said tho

#

He said the opposite

remote bobcat
#

he said he prefers "real people" over "gay ass people", sending a gif of a normal person to compare to our anime gifs funky

#

im p sure thats what he said

dense elbow
#

Nah, I prefer reading it as written

#

"Gay ass people prefer real people"

dense elbow
plush zephyr
#

Me too

cunning condor
#

god its literally unplayable

#

sitting in queue for hours

#

lol

scarlet dock
#

what WA's are essentinal to have?

#

😕

heavy dock
#

execute weakaura

#

for warrior specifically nothing else is "essential" really

scarlet dock
#

is it a sound wa?

heavy dock
#

some tracker for whirlwind stacks

#

it does have sound yes

scarlet dock
#

can i have the sound one please ?

heavy dock
#

check here

heavy dock
#

this if u play slayer

#

thane doesnt use this

scarlet dock
#

thank you

#

i have this but its soundless

dense elbow
#

Dont forget to change it from ca-chaing, to mew

scarlet dock
junior oyster
#

The mew is entirely optional XD

undone flower
junior oyster
#

Mine is a cow sound <.<

scarlet dock
#

This is my option but i still hear no sound , did i removed it somehow ? i often play everything muted , any option that i destroyed?

undone flower
#

don't mute master

dense elbow
scarlet dock
#

Its not muted

undone flower
#

you said you often play with sound muted, just undo that

#

you can mute every channel - master if you want to only have the weakauras

junior oyster
scarlet dock
#

yeah i enabled music and sound effects

#

not working 🙁

remote bobcat
#

this fixed it for me

#

personally

scarlet dock
#

ok i fixed it

scarlet dock
#

Moan is good ?

dense elbow
#

I prefer mew, but you do you

scarlet dock
#

😂

#

is there any specific thing that i should track ? i,m just smashing my buttons , my english is not that good to real talents

#

i have read some that i can but not all of tham

dense elbow
#

WW stacks and enrage, then have the Execute WA

scarlet dock
#

yeah i got this 3

#

is there any specific time that i want to use my execute?

remote bobcat
#

i personally recommend tracking Marked for Execution on enemies

#

its pretty big in my UI too

scarlet dock
#

i should use my execute in 3 stack of mfa?

remote bobcat
#

at 2x mfa in ST, 3x mfa in AoE

#

you can also use at 2x mfa in aoe but meh

scarlet dock
#

What if i have sudden death and mfa toghather?

#

like in aoe = 2 stack of mfa and 2 stack of sudden death

remote bobcat
scarlet dock
#

🙁

earnest canyon
#

Oh oh, you made Kronzo angry

scarlet dock
#

am i getting annoying ? 😄

earnest canyon
# undone flower https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39UDZMgPg5k

Germans are perfectly normal
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gaunt loom
#

binding javelin can’t be immuned with bladestorm?

#

damn hurt

heavy dock
scarlet dock
#

Its worth the time to renown up?

#

and the gold

heavy dock
#

raid boots are really good if you can get them, especially on mythic and hc

#

not sure what renown/gold helps with since ive stopped playing after 2 months of s3 but its worth trying to get

wild mural
scarlet dock
#

what is the name of stack that u gather on dummy before key starts?

#

and what toy u guys use 😁

hardy cargo
#

guys my guild just blew up 1 week before we would get CE D:

scarlet dock
#

ty

coarse nest
#

Hate to see it

high sedge
#

its joever...

hardy cargo
#

my logs are pretty ok bc we recleared a bunch this tier so I can still get CE just feel bad for all the displaced people

chilly fractal
#

And someone just decided to kill it

hardy cargo
chilly fractal
#

Granted we had a lot of other issues at the time… that was just the straw

rose bay
#

anyone feel like ww dosent like to go off? feels like when lusted and cleaving, it just takes it sweet ass timne going off, and i end up fucking up my cleave

lapis rose
#

guys how can i make def/berzerker on 1 button?

hardy cargo
undone flower
rose bay
#

ooooh maybe! maybe im trying it when erage fell off

sullen dove
#

what

#

ww still works if u dont have enrage

smoky vale
#

what

#

ww still works if you dont have enrage

sullen dove
#

die

young swan
#

spell queueing gets fucked at high haste levels

undone flower
smoky vale
#

xantaga

sullen dove
#

what feeling its just ww not going off

smoky vale
#

may i have the funny next to my name

sullen dove
#

sometimes i think that happens

smoky vale
#

i been streaming my keys

sullen dove
#

when i like hit rampage > want to hit ww > start spamming rb expecting the ww to have gone off

#

and then it didnt go off

smoky vale
#

#notatraitor

sullen dove
#

so i just single target raging blow

#

cluegi

undone flower
#

I never encountered this issue, but I never touched my spell queue, maybe that’s why

young swan
#

ive had it happen at both high and low sqw

#

just the game being bad

undone flower
#

I’ve had double ww but only if I intense lagging, so very rare

rose bay
#

Goootcha

#

ty

undone flower
#

intense lagging being over 200 ping

cunning condor
#

dornogal is really full of people this time around

undone flower
#

I need to log in to check my Dornogal

undone flower
gaunt loom
#

if recklessness and avatar are off cooldown in high key m+, but bladestorm still has about 30 seconds left, should i wait for bladestorm before using them?

#

assuming about to pull a new pack of mobs.

young swan
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just pop em