fury

[compact knot]

arcane in m+ is kinda bad

esp low m+

it all dies before you scale

pack is dead and you have 7 seconds left of arcane soul

zzzz

[dense elbow]

You are the arcane ppl invite, that do 4m overall DPS

[compact knot]

i saw the top frac log and it made me play BM insta

[dense elbow]

[compact knot]

it might be hard for fury to touch that number

7.3m

[dense elbow]

The swing is huge tho

[earnest canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/bowing-thank-you-tom-and-jerry-take-a-bow-chasing-gif-9455237177133266270

[dense elbow]

Fury is always 5m, BM is anything from 3m to 8m

[compact knot]

i feel like we could see someone hit a 10m on BM on frac

for sure on nexus king

[dense elbow]

Hm, it is likely

[earnest canyon]

you also get friends as bm so you are never alone

[compact knot]

+8 ilvl and like +12% dps

it could happen

• insane rng pull

[dense elbow]

7m +1m, with RNG swing and minmax

It is possible, maybe

[compact knot]

fury MIGHT hit 8m dps on that fight

[dense elbow]

Oh? We got no swing, so why the maybe

[compact knot]

we have swing for sure

just not a lot

[dense elbow]

we also got burst damage

Just not a lot

[compact knot]

mine has about +700k swing, meanwhile my 700 ilvl bm has +1.3m swing and its 20 ilvl lower than my warrior

[hardy vault]

what is swing ? i'm learning

[compact knot]

damage varience based off RNG

so stuff out of your control

[hardy vault]

okay ! and how calculate it ?

[compact knot]

i do a quick sim and click full html report and check dps distribution

[radiant plank]

Massive swing!

[hardy vault]

thanks

[compact knot]

it exists

!!!

[hushed ore]

does being enraged also buff rampage damage?
what i mean is do i have to use rampage while enraged to deal more damage with rampage?
after bladestorming, i get the 50% dmg buff on rampage , so i try to buff it with raging blows, but the question is, do i absolutely need to rampage only while enraged during this buff time?
if i consume the 50%dmg buff on rampage while i am not enraged does it deal less damage?

[hardy cargo]

when u press rampage the enrage it grants buffs the rampage

enrage can fall off, however dont press any more rbs if it does after bladestorm

[hushed ore]

aight, got it thanks man, i'll helicopter helicopter all the way , then finally consume that buff

[compact knot]

I would just always use rampage right before falling off, not after it falls off because of the haste

If you dont use rampage while enraged your next gcd doesnt benefit from the +15% haste

also since reap the storm has a delay after using raging blow (a small one but a delay), it could possible not benefit from enrage which would not be great esp in aoe

or st really

just stay enraged

[hushed ore]

so staying enraged > an extra slaughtering strikes Buff for 50% buffed rampage , I guess?

[compact knot]

sure

If you wait to enrage yourself and drop the 15% haste buff on ST you can lose GCDs which is a way bigger dps loss imo

enraged is bis

[devout totem]

how is 2m1 minimum is possible? 😭

[hushed ore]

o7 thanks man , last question, pls dont say SIM SIM SIM ,
ive got hero sacbrood, Hero pace maker, champion antennae, hero arcanocrystal trinket,
pacemaker natennae combo is good? i dont feel like arcano crystal is very strong

[compact knot]

where is 2 minutes

[compact knot]

in like a raid st environment or ST

[hushed ore]

M+

[compact knot]

im not sure I think pets died and then it just doesnt revive then, there are 0 2.2m iterations though so not sure why that number is there

[warm crag]

how does a pet die in a sim

[compact knot]

IDK

[dense elbow]

To pressing growl?

[compact knot]

BDK accounts for them taking damage in the sim because of a talent which they need to take damage for

hunters are known sandbaggers though

[radiant plank]

Sacbrood and grind for idol, untill idol use antenna

[compact knot]

id say pacemaker and sacbrood

[hushed ore]

❤️

[compact knot]

u can use antenna too if u want to play around it

its technically better just harder to use

[dense elbow]

So'leyah + sac

[hushed ore]

sacbrood pacemaker it is then

[compact knot]

does archon shadow priest oversim hella

ive never seen a shadow priest do damage ever but they have the highest sim in the game

opposite of sandbagging

[dense elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/it-is-known-game-of-thrones-it's-understood-everyone-knows-we-know-gif-9361879955269503159

[hidden sinew]

Is something secret technique good someone just gave me a heroic version of it. It only Sims 20k dps higher than claw but I wonder if the Sims not accurate because it require selecting someone with ideal stats

Soleahs ***

[compact knot]

its better than claw for sure

i think you could pick any of the 4 stats and it would sim better than claw

now sure what ur gear is rn

[pulsar quest]

bro screams is such an insane trinket

i got a warbound normal one this week on heroic farm

[compact knot]

i love it in raid

[pulsar quest]

and i used it on M dimmy prog and its like 3% of my damage still

its just insane that even on normal its that good

i cant imagine what a mythic one is gonna look like

[vale compass]

ok so I feel like I must have very much mislearned how to dps as fury, is there a good guide for how to play fury in M+, cuz it seems like the wowhead one isn't quite on the mark

[compact knot]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1416411676022149291

that has a good amount of info

[fallen carbon]

Hello, i just started to play fury again and i've a question about bladestorm, we using it on cd or holding to use in sync with recklesness?

[warm crag]

Press it on cd, delay if reck is <15s or Avatar <8s (or if youre in m+ and saving for next pack or boss)

[fallen carbon]

got it, ty💪

[lofty forge]

seems like i have forgotten how to make my char "glow" so its easier to see. anyone know where this setting is?

[undone flower]

Right click on yourself -> self highlight

[lofty forge]

thats only circle. there was a setting where your outline glowed

[undone flower]

Maybe there is not the option in that menu, you can have circle or outline or both

Let me log in

[compact knot]

its actually unhinged i get declined to 10s on my 720 3k io warrior

[slim coral]

what can you do people are dumb

[dense elbow]

Why take a 720 scrub warrior

when you can take chad 723 BM with 4.2k rio

[radiant plank]

Apply to 12's instead

those ppl are more reasonable

[dense elbow]

If you feel bad, know that my 711 BDK is not getting invited to 15s

So life aint fair for anyone

[trim hound]

I aint risking the 4k rated guy alt-f4 cuz we missed a kick in a faceroll 10-12 xD

[clever path]

I just had a feral druid taunt so leah last second and bricked a 15

I used to like cats

[dense elbow]

If that bricked your key alone, a lot was going wrong

way more than the cat

[clever path]

It was intime if he didn't lmao

[dense elbow]

Ye. I wont say anything against that

but in a 15

[clever path]

And yeah pulsar + add go boom boom

[dense elbow]

ya should have plenty of time

to wipe

and go again

esp gambit

[clever path]

But still, I say it's a fat finger cause who da f would taunt last boss as a dps

RIP

[dense elbow]

They do indeed have an ability called rip

[rugged arch]

even as a dps in raid I have tanked every key i've been in so far this season - instant invites as tank

and I only queue keys that already have a healer - so groups are already pretty desperate and always take me

[dense elbow]

Growl is big streamer

[clever path]

https://tenor.com/view/rawr-ahh-owen-wilson-meow-gif-13120179521033370180

[dense elbow]

git gud

be growl, do growl

[lofty forge]

how to make best use of Cursed Stone Idol in m plus obv

[dense elbow]

use it when things are gathered and ya get some value out of it

[lofty forge]

before cds or after? i have seen some poeple macro it into charge

[dense elbow]

Just think of it as an avatar amp, ya use it before you avatar in general

You can cast it while charging, that is why you see that

[lofty forge]

intedesting

[dense elbow]

At least we are not snared while doing it

[clever path]

[vague thicket]

I macro it with avatar (but have the icon to show the trinket cd not the avatar, that way 100% sure when trinket is off cd and I press it avatar will go off too)

Prolly not the best as ppl said cause in this way avatar may go before trinket finish charging but i was just lazy 🙁

[sour tundra]

what dungeon would you guys say is the most difficult this season

[plush zephyr]

Hunters stole our lizard

[compact knot]

we push rb more than they push black arrow to be fair

[lucid thorn]

priory imo

[plush zephyr]

Imo it really depends but generally I’ve had the most struggles on Gambit/Halls/City

[lucid thorn]

I never don't die at least twice there

[compact knot]

halls is the worst pug dungeon by far

[plush zephyr]

Pri has been free for me but idk

[lucid thorn]

I don't know why but I just either accidentally stand in something or else what idk but I always die

Never been kicked tho

because I do be pumping

[plush zephyr]

Pretty sure the traps are cornered around the ads now instead of random so you can determine where they are going to be

Inky black potion might help you see stuff better-er

[lucid thorn]

y'know I never thought of that

that's a good ass idea

[plush zephyr]

Idk why they made everything the same shade in that dungeon

[plush zephyr]

I use bright and black

[lucid thorn]

because "muh light"

[plush zephyr]

Depends on where I’m at

In raid I don’t use either but like in halls I use the bright one

And flood

[lucid thorn]

yeah if you ever see me I'm Furfoxsake

vulpera fury lmao

[compact knot]

inky black potion also bis on mythic nexus king

[plush zephyr]

Only person I’ve seen consistently from Skyhold is Deswind

[compact knot]

for seeing spirits and shit on the ground

[plush zephyr]

oooo I’ll have to try that

[olive wraith]

Floodgate

[lucid thorn]

the thought of a tiny fox blender is hilarious

[plush zephyr]

Floodgate is free

[lucid thorn]

see I don't really have a problem on flood

it's hard but easy at the same time

[plush zephyr]

Especially if you have a stun heavy group

[olive wraith]

Kelps are low key scary

[lucid thorn]

it's just long and tedious

and everything has to be done in a specific order

[compact knot]

i dont think anything comes close to halls

something about that dungeon in pug groups is insane

[olive wraith]

Honestly the trash in general is pretty spooky in flood

[compact knot]

like most other dungeons dont insta wipe you if you dont kick or stun and you can just brute force it but halls you HAVE to kick and stun or else its over

ive seen 10s chain wipe to first pack lmao

[lucid thorn]

that's just a skill issue atp

[compact knot]

obviously

[lucid thorn]

people think 10s are free, which most are

[plush zephyr]

Halls can get really sketchy in the first pull

Same with gambit

[lucid thorn]

But you still gotta actually y'know, do the dungeon

[compact knot]

i dont really use ccs at all in weekly 10s

[olive wraith]

Let’s be real 10s are free lol

[compact knot]

i just kick

halls though i do

[lucid thorn]

fr

[sterile dagger]

assuming u have 4 human beings with hands in your group (or at least 3 (tank+heal included)

[lucid thorn]

if you have a basic knowledge of your character and aren't legitimately smashing your head into the keyboard

you'll be fine

SBA is a curse

you can instantly tell when someone is using it

especially with warlocks

[plush zephyr]

I think the vast majority of people in class discords are for the most part good players and interested in getting better. And they (me included) fail to realize the majority of the player base fucking sucks lol

And 10s for most aren’t free surprisingly

[sterile dagger]

yeap

[dense elbow]

10s are free, ya cant change my mind, we did em day 1

[sterile dagger]

yes

but

you did it with guildies/friends

[plush zephyr]

For you. For people here. But. We’re the minority 😂

[sterile dagger]

who are not majority

[verbal rivet]

I can’t get through streets without my DPS making me question humanity

[dense elbow]

Who cares about the ants under our feet?

[plush zephyr]

I love Streets

[dense elbow]

We are the giants, we carry things in our stride. Sadly, we small compared to the titans

[lucid thorn]

I hate streets lmao

the band section makes me want to commit atrocities against humanity

[plush zephyr]

Eco and streets are my fav this season

Free as fuck

[dense elbow]

I just enjoy streets cause it is free, no cause it is fun

that is for sure

[verbal rivet]

I can’t get through the first room with under 7 deaths in a 13…I’m tanking it slower then “standard” for pulls and DPS still out here struggling

[lucid thorn]

I have never done a band where it hasn't been fucked up at least once

[plush zephyr]

But I’m always with a guildie tank

[dense elbow]

Do you mean fuck-up, as in losing the buff or deaths?

[lucid thorn]

both

[dense elbow]

I seen ppl lose the buff, that happens

[plush zephyr]

I’ve never had an issue on the band part

[olive wraith]

I was doing it with pugs

[plush zephyr]

It’s always middle trash before role play

If there is an issue

[lucid thorn]

I only ever do pugs tho

I don't have a concrete team unfortunately

[olive wraith]

Same

[plush zephyr]

Also mailroom can be stupid if people don’t soak pools or forget a briefcase

[olive wraith]

Fuck streets

I hate it

[verbal rivet]

It’s the only one I’m missing for resil 12s and I’m like 30 runs deep.

I hate it so much

[plush zephyr]

I’ve been having too much fun parsing normal and heroic to worry about m+

[quiet breach]

eco dome is definitely my favorite

[olive wraith]

What’s the hardest pull in all the keys

And why is it braunpyke

[quiet breach]

priory first pull

[verbal rivet]

Healer issue

[plush zephyr]

I really like lusting that pull

[verbal rivet]

I’m also trolling, that mf hurts

[olive wraith]

Braunpyke does so much lmao

[plush zephyr]

People don’t lust enough for pulls

Lust for boss is overrated sometimes

[olive wraith]

I agree with dailcry lust

[verbal rivet]

Ara Kara bosses with lust makes it a smooth run

[olive wraith]

Ara you don’t have much choice

[plush zephyr]

I don’t think there’s a pull to lust for in city. There is in eco, halls, gambit, streets

[verbal rivet]

FG as well

[olive wraith]

Ara is just first pull

[verbal rivet]

Love the first floodgate pull

[plush zephyr]

Ehhhh depends on group

[olive wraith]

Fg you can pull into momma which is a goated lust

[verbal rivet]

Dealing like 12M DPS as a bear is fun

[lucid thorn]

I haven't had a good consistent group so I'm only 700

[plush zephyr]

You want to lust when momma phases

Double dam

[verbal rivet]

FG is probs my favorite dungeon even tho pugs in that dungeon are wild

[lucid thorn]

haven't been able to push much

wait no I lied

[olive wraith]

Ya when tank pulls extra onto her

[lucid thorn]

695

[verbal rivet]

It’s a pull with some chest hair, I just get the stair mobs and loader bots by the stairs

[plush zephyr]

I hate flood because I’ve done it so much from last season. Same with pri. Hate repeat dungeons idc I think it’s dumb. Give me a permaban for a dungeon for the season

[verbal rivet]

I also really hate the diver pull.

I’ve had too many healers get yoinked by a missed harpoon and we wipe

[olive wraith]

Flood has too many scary pulls

I still dislike shredders

Even though it’s actually not that bad

[verbal rivet]

Divers, Kelp, First Architect, First pull

And the mini boss after momma

[olive wraith]

Oh right unlucky nailguns

[lucid thorn]

Someone always dies to shredders in my dgs

[olive wraith]

Also fuck me up

[lucid thorn]

Sometimes it's me ngl

[verbal rivet]

If we make it past swamp boi, free key

[lucid thorn]

[plush zephyr]

I feel like a bitch when I tank because I pull a bit smaller but idk I don’t like scaring the shit out of my dps lmao

[lucid thorn]

I appreciate you for it

[verbal rivet]

FG trash is easy on tanks tho

[lucid thorn]

Getting the blood pumping is good tho

[verbal rivet]

I’ve been smited by swamp boss bc I was slow on barkskin before

Took 20m to the face

[plush zephyr]

Depends. Can be super stressful if the team isn’t stunning stuff. Or like the spinner ads or whatever, I stun them 1/3 health they spin again and no one stuns. Same with divers and kelp.

[lucid thorn]

I remember tanking flood once and I forgot to pop meta on swampie

I went down to 1% health in 1 buster

I may or may not have shitted my pants

[plush zephyr]

I’m trying out healing and it’s truly like playing another game. It’s weird.

[lucid thorn]

Healing is so boring

Ive tried it on hpala

rdruid, rsham, and disc priest

I just cannot get into it

[plush zephyr]

I can’t decide if I like it or not. But I haven’t felt stressful healing situations yet. I bet that’s fun. Like higher keys or m raid

[olive wraith]

Healing is either super chill or the worst experience ever

No in between

[plush zephyr]

That’s kinda how it’s been yeah

[olive wraith]

No one kicks or defensive? Super stressful key

Everyone kicks and uses stops easiest role

Only gotta worry about bosses at that point

[plush zephyr]

Love people knowing damage is incoming and use defensives after they’re almost dead

[olive wraith]

Oh shit I’m gonna die

Hit button

Incoming damage is already done

[plush zephyr]

yep

[olive wraith]

I see that a lot Dawn 2nd boss

[plush zephyr]

Really put things into perspective of how much healers really carry (sometimes) and dps have no fucking clue they’re getting saved over and over. Made me check my game too tbh

[olive wraith]

Ngl I still take avoidable damage but fury just so tanky

[plush zephyr]

You have to take avoidable and all damage as much as possible as fury

That’s what makes it really engaging as well

[analog kite]

Tbh we only have one defensive

And d stance

[modest condor]

we have 3 actual defensives and a 10% DR with high uptime

[thick fossil]

@tepid cedar Ok, so that thing. Yeah, I've gotten use to it. Haven't done much with the RA part, but the other. Yeah, it's good.

[young swan]

i will forgive u for not knowing how to count but next time just say it to yourself

[undone flower]

And impeding victory big

[analog kite]

Are you counting SR sil?

[modest condor]

yes ofcourse

how is a 20% magic DR not a defensive?

95% of dangerous damage is magic damage

[undone flower]

SR is 20% short cd, giga stronk

[analog kite]

True but I feel like this season there’s not a whole lot to sr depending on the dungeon

[modest condor]

wat

[fiery tide]

you use spell reflect even if you cant reflect

[modest condor]

there are like 3 dangerous mechanics this season that are not magic damage

[fiery tide]

it would just be dumb not to use sr on a magic cast that you cant reflect

[undone flower]

Like…. almost every boss mechanic

If fury dies bc lack def cd, everyone else is already dead

[modest condor]

hell, even death drive is actually a sizable amount of our selfhealing now, especially on trash

i've had it heal for like 1mil from a single cast

[analog kite]

What was that fish tank dungeon called

[young swan]

yeah death drive kinda real

[analog kite]

Tides ?

[young swan]

still wish it did overheal barrier

[modest condor]

throne of tides

[analog kite]

That one had a ton of stuff to sr

It’s only like my third day out here this season

[modest condor]

you dont need to reflect something for SR to be one of the strongest defensives in the game

[analog kite]

So my feels are off

Maybe I need to read the tooltip

[modest condor]

most dangerous mechanics happen less frequently than 25 seconds, so you can often use reflect on every single one of them

[analog kite]

Ah it is a dr as well

Is this new or am I just a dumbass

[modest condor]

you're just a dumbass

been like that for as long as we've had access to it

there was a time when reflecting something consumed the buff, but as long as you hadn't reflected anything it was still a 20% dr

[analog kite]

https://tenor.com/view/shit-leslie-jordan-gif-11334450875675318506

[gleaming siren]

and those, usually being physical damage, Warrior doesn't struggle with cause of Armor

[modest condor]

armor doesnt affect bleeds and (almost all) aoe damage

i was specifically refering to mechanics that are dangerous to us despite us having high armor

like the aoe on the first boss in ara kara or bleeds in priory

[gleaming siren]

Ok yea sure

[clever path]

is the wowhead rotation guide perfect or are there minmaxes that arent in there

[gleaming siren]

Sonic damage too

but even then

[modest condor]

there are minmaxes that arent there

[gleaming siren]

Warrior is pretty absurd

[clever path]

where can i find the minmaxes

[modest condor]

there's some in the apl

but even that doesnt include everything because some of it is giga degen for like 0.2% gain

[clever path]

he could have made a mistake but i saw critcake press a rampage at like 100 rage and 2.5 seconds left on enrage over another raging blow. is this a minmax or a mistake

[modest condor]

could be a mistake, could be intentionally prioritising ramp more to get cdr on bladestorm so it's up for next pack

[clever path]

i believe youre right with the cdr on bladestorm, thank you

[winter shoal]

Note that there's a lot less minmaxing for stuff like m+ aoe situations because they're kind of impossible to really sim

[clever path]

just watching st videos rn\

no really good high end guides out there

[winter shoal]

I mean you can sim them, but real world situations and sims rarely line up with respect to cooldown usage etc

[clever path]

also i noticed critcake will reck into charge into avatar, is this different that just pressing both cds before charge?

[modest condor]

no

[storm birch]

Almost had 17 flood today. stupid warped blood guy killed us 🙁 healer said he needed 20 sec for cds i cri

Had 14 mins left would prolly had it

[velvet trellis]

Can raging blow proc Reap the Storm multiple times if empowered by whirlwind?

[fading sky]

No

Icd

[devout totem]

it wont proc multiple but it increases the proc chance

you can read more here > #updates-midnight message

[clever path]

[iron portal]

Report Silm

[chilly fractal]

Imagine 5 reaps at once

So much reaping

If only

[rocky rover]

Have stone idol. rip it on CD/pull or save it for anything special in AOE situations?

[iron portal]

What special would you want

[young swan]

u want to use it with as many enemies around u as possibl

[rocky rover]

ty

[olive wraith]

Preferably before you press your cds

[undone flower]

But armor works on arrows and throw flesh

[pulsar snow]

you cannot macro stone idol with -avatar-reck-dragons roar right?

[tardy lark]

you can spend the first second of ava and reck channeling stone idol if you wanted

[winter shoal]

Can't macro idol and roar either AFAIK bc roar is on gcd

[tardy lark]

you could do like ava reck roar idol macro

i think that might work

so you channel idol right after roar

[winter shoal]

Idk I don't have the trinket, not sure it'd work tho

I don't think you could do that with puzzyb

[tardy lark]

you'd need to spam the macro im pretty sure

[winter shoal]

Let's be honest if you're playing fury you better be spamming everything

[clever path]

2 2 3 2 2 3 2 2 3 2 2 3 2 2 3 2 2 3

[narrow onyx]

I'm just saying, if the class doesn't come with a risk of an RSI it's not fast enoug

[untold dagger]

idol hit does an ok amount of dmg itself so you could reck crit in a big aoe with the idol hit maybe

[narrow onyx]

that's why Bladestorm exists for fury, give you a quick wrist stretch

[clever path]

Fury and frostdk and outlaw gave me carpal tunnel until i got a razer naga

[olive wraith]

70apm isn’t even bad

People type 120 wpm

[clever path]

I can type 254

[narrow onyx]

Yeah I was trying out my hunter again for funsies and i'm thinking "christ on a cross what is this, a Final Fantasy GCD?"

[olive wraith]

Isn’t Bm still around 60

The difference in apm between specs aren’t as huge as people make out

Unless you’re talking devoker

[narrow onyx]

Yeah like in all honesty I am slightly exagerating for the fun of it.

[fading sky]

I mean any castee class?

[narrow onyx]

just off the top of my head, I think Haste is at least good for most specs

[fading sky]

That plants and casts

[tepid cedar]

Yea, soleahs trinket has good use for it as well when you can get haste

[narrow onyx]

Even then I think most casters have a bunch of instantly they want to weave between casts

[young swan]

i think netherprism might actually be okay

[olive wraith]

I only brought up dev cause their biggest damage source is a channel

So their apm is sitting a solid 20-30 behind the top

[narrow onyx]

the most recent data I could find was from tww:s1

[lucid thorn]

That's the one that gives you the stackable buff right?

[narrow onyx]

so hunters have all changed a lot since them

[young swan]

yeah

im just playing around with it cause i dont have antenna

[lucid thorn]

Yeah I like how it works

[young swan]

but it seems fine

[lucid thorn]

I got antenna in my vault for my hunter

[narrow onyx]

wait no, here's a Season 3 sim

[lucid thorn]

I was ecstatic

[narrow onyx]

Kinda makes sense to see the tanks up there since they're pressing their mits oGCD

[lucid thorn]

no wonder monk feels so slow to me

I main templar pala

lmfao

complete opposite ends of the spectrum

I thought I was playing wrong

it's just slow

[narrow onyx]

just to note, this is specifically for raid

[lucid thorn]

yeah I'm getting good dps, but it's just so slow lol

Definitely something I've just gotta get used to

[narrow onyx]

I forget, does Signet lose value if you're not getting mastery from it?

[lucid thorn]

I believe so

[brittle harness]

I heard powerful enrage sims higher on aoe can any gigachad confirm?

[narrow onyx]

Yeah I finally got to the point where my ilvl was fine and I realized I had like the worst stat distribution possible lmao.

500 years of Halls of Atonement to fix my rings

[jaunty pike]

hello probably a noob question but im not sure if im using bloodthirst correctly, ive just been using it when i can't use raging blow/rampage and execute isnt up or if its guaranteed to crit from bloodcraze

is that right?

[brittle harness]

I would lowkey just ignore pressing blood thirst unless there is nothing available and don’t worry about blood craze stacks.

[jaunty pike]

ok! thank u

[untold dagger]

fire mage hitting 93 apm to do dogwater damage is a tragedy

[narrow onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/sweaty-speedrunner-epic-gamer-sweatyspeedrunner-gif-22461398

literally this dude

[devout totem]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InF7ui_xR5Q

[untold dagger]

that was my exact image in my head

[winter shoal]

Depends on your stats, you (generally) lose single target tho so it may or may not be worth in practice

Also PE feels like shit so

[clever belfry]

all mages need to explode

[winter shoal]

Retweet

I've played with one (1) good mage ever

[clever belfry]

I've played with a few more

but

mages need to explode

except for that frostmage guy who plays on a dancepad

that guy has more fun playing wow than all of this channel combined

[clever path]

https://tenor.com/view/stalin-camp-gulag-ussr-sfsr-gif-11375769938799485374

[last bobcat]

did you guys play thane recently? how is it doing in like 15+ keys now

[clever belfry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1294680138042183711/1417981268850643057/Labubu_Rocket.gif

me when mages

[clever belfry]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/809954503046332459/1097999985687134300/bounce.gif

[flat river]

fire mage is that class that looks cool/fun from afar but unless you're top 0.1% you deal dookie damage (even if it's best class u will still deal dookie damage unless you're top 0.1%)

[untold dagger]

yeah

i used to main it at some point

if you get unlucky too you just do healer dmg

[flat river]

it's not unlucky or not unlucky

like u can be the highest geared

and everyone 10 ilvl below you

and still be lowest dps

i personally find the ignite dot mechanic to be stupid

[slim coral]

IS arcane mage that bad?

[analog kite]

most mages suck

it really is just a skill issue

[flat river]

no you're playing with an undergeared mage or one that sucks ass or one that wanted to try arcane and has 0 stats for arcane or idea on how to play it

[analog kite]

but its also dependant on the tank pulling around cds

[slim coral]

713 mage

[gusty sleet]

no you're playing with an undergeared mage or one that sucks ass or one that wanted to try arcane and has 0 stats for arcane or idea on how to play it

[flat river]

as in players or

[analog kite]

yeah its a skill issue

arcane requires clipping rn

[flat river]

cause class itself has 1 good spec, 1 ok spec, 1 dookie spec

always

[flat river]

ok then he either sucks ass or trying arcane (from another spec) and doesn't know rotation and no stats for arcane

[bitter palm]

no you're playing with an undergeared mage or one that sucks ass or one that wanted to try arcane and has 0 stats for arcane or idea on how to play it

[junior gale]

Holy Baze is yellow now

This ain't real

[flat river]

always has been no?

[junior gale]

[flat river]

@slim coral you were always yellow no?

[slim coral]

no

[analog kite]

tbh i though Gala was yellow too at some point

maybe it was red

[flat river]

always i yellow in my heart 🥹

[junior gale]

This discord might be over if Gala is yellow

[flat river]

that was cooking, it looked yellow from how much turmeric I put in

[analog kite]

https://tenor.com/view/no-yes-ok-yes-no-maybe-gif-14428545

[flat river]

https://tenor.com/view/jankyrondo-jankyrondo-jump-guy-jumping-reaction-guy-jumping-match-guy-jumping-off-chair-live-gif-11791436945084946417

[remote bobcat]

HELLO

[flat river]

sup kronzo

[remote bobcat]

hi @flat river

@flat river

@flat river

[flat river]

@ my other account too

don't forgor

[remote bobcat]

@smoky vale

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/284226322585354241/1413178488713642104/GIF_20250904_160623_708.gif

[flat river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1413756735948066867/reaptech.gif

[flat river]

i almost posted the wrong sticker

bannable offense

[remote bobcat]

[flat river]

GalaStronk the Chef for yellow

https://tenor.com/view/zyzz-uptempo-zyzz-fist-bump-gif-25235668

[analog kite]

https://tenor.com/view/asmon-asmongold-asmon-gold-streamer-gif-14367015105928358791

[thick fossil]

16 Resil complete

[remote bobcat]

hot

[young swan]

W

hopefully get 15 resil done tonight

[compact knot]

what dungeon

[thick fossil]

Had a guardian druid that just pulled the entire dungeon.

[slim coral]

15 prio

[compact knot]

aight that guy is ass

nvm

[thick fossil]

I managed to keep up with the uncapped classes though!

[remote bobcat]

@young swan did u fix ur ui?

[compact knot]

arcane isnt great in some dungeons but its good in that dungeon

[remote bobcat]

or still WIP?

[young swan]

its workable for now

[compact knot]

arcane might be the worst spec playable in 10s

but like a 15

nahhh

[young swan]

will continue to make changes as and when

are there like

any viable replacements for WA resource/buff tracking

like blizz cd tracker is just fake as fuck cause u cant customize it right

[remote bobcat]

yesnt

noxiv uses an addon that lets u put more buffs onto the personal resource display

but thats about it

[young swan]

yeah thats bad

its about as finished as it can be rn

[flat river]

https://tenor.com/view/zyzz-dance-zyzz-hardstyle-aesthetic-gif-24411593

[young swan]

i'm gonna make tweaks to include utility stuff

prob gradually transition to those bars being the main bars

[slim coral]

soon you can

in the newest .5 patch

[young swan]

hmmNod

wonder how many people from the "remove addons" crowd will start playing the game again when they actually nuke all of the combat addons

[slim coral]

if their resource bar looked like atrocity's I would swap

but their resource bars bother me

[remote bobcat]

clueless~1

[flat river]

frieren new season coming out this january

[slim coral]

just saw infinity castle 3 days ago

it was goated

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/burger-eating-frieren-frieren-beyond-journey's-end-sousou-no-frieren-gif-13425073513713719938

[dense elbow]

New season? Nice

[flat river]

REAL

https://en.as.com/meristation/news/season-2-of-frieren-finally-has-a-release-date-and-its-set-to-be-the-best-anime-of-2026-n/

jan 16th

[remote bobcat]

my gf said shes gonna cosplay frieren

LETSFUCKINGGOOOO

LETSGOOO

LETSGO

letsfuckinggo

[earnest canyon]

I'm gonna cosplay frieren too

[remote bobcat]

id love to see that

[earnest canyon]

im going to use mini cheese pizza slices for the ears

[remote bobcat]

good lord

[next mica]

what the hitcap on BS?

[remote bobcat]

hitcap ?

😭

oh u mean how many targets?

[next mica]

yes

[remote bobcat]

soft 8

it says that in the tooltip

if u hover over it

[earnest canyon]

and how many hard

[remote bobcat]

just you, baby girl

[earnest canyon]

[remote bobcat]

Kissahomie

[junior gale]

Finally peak is returning

[dapper goblet]

swordish for yellow

[junior gale]

Madox for blue

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/sousou-no-frieren-frieren-beer-friren-фрирен-gif-14322219776376419169

For anyone that's done 17+ Gambit. How the hell do you feel comfortable with the 8 insta death bolts in the first pull? Most of them not in melee range to kick.

[remote bobcat]

cc rotation

(i havent done it im just talking shit)

[dense elbow]

Step 1) AoE CC, step 2) AoE CC, step 3) AoE CC, step 4) AoE interupt/silence step 5) mop up the stragglers

[thick fossil]

I spent the majority of the first pull in d stance, kicking everything while everyone else got to just straight blast everything.

[dense elbow]

If ya in Dstance, ya already lost

Gotta kill em before they kill you

that is dah way

[thick fossil]

I was at 2% hp within 2 seconds of starting DPS.

[sudden tusk]

Do it with 3 warriors so you gain an extra kick

[dense elbow]

Proof you didnt need dstance

ya lived with 2% hp

[sudden tusk]

Reflect 3 kick 3 beeeg

[dense elbow]

To be fair, ya know for sure they kicked the reflect cast

[thick fossil]

Reflect ate the first bolt. I took the second, and then the CC chain started. It was hellishly spooky.

[dense elbow]

It is october after all

[young swan]

i mean surely u just pop ER and its fine

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/me-dance-dancing-skeleton-gif-13316634

It's weird, I feel more comfortable in Priory than I do that first pull of Gambit

[earnest canyon]

It's because it reminds me of Sundays, when you are in Church

[junior gale]

Just tell all the murlocs to cast on someone else

[mortal fog]

is htere a single mind fury build that someone can post so thati can use it until i get a second 2 hander?

[thick fossil]

I think it's because those water bolts after the mobs stop running are many. With not a lot of ranged kicks.

[olive wraith]

2 points out of critical thinking

[mortal fog]

thanks bud

[olive wraith]

What ilvl are your current 2h

Or do you have none

[mortal fog]

i have none i have 1 one handers. cause im prot main

[olive wraith]

What ilvl 1h

[mortal fog]

i just wanna dabble with fury they are 697

[olive wraith]

Just craft 2 675

[mortal fog]

ive used my crafts for prt

[olive wraith]

675 doesn’t take sparks

[mortal fog]

ok i look into it for now this is ok its just for funsy

im spamming 9s still wearing green gear cause i cant get a pair of pants

[olive wraith]

I mean 675 craft is pretty free. But it’s up to you

[sullen cloak]

How much overtime do you still get credit for in terms of timing a dungoen

[modest condor]

1 second still counts as timing, 40% still gives you score, more than that you get 0

[sullen cloak]

so i was 1min 27 over a +13....

Is that too much to get a score

[modest condor]

is 1 min 27 more than 40% of the timer?

[olive wraith]

Herecles is the Demi god of strength not brains

[earnest canyon]

That's HerAcles....not HerEcles.....so you are correct 🤣

[sullen cloak]

yes it is but I think im misinterpreting it?

40% of 30 mins is 12 mins...which doesnt seem right

[modest condor]

1 min 27 is less than 12 mins, so yes you got score from it

whether that score is enough to increase your io is a different question

[storm birch]

The score diminishes the further you go over timer. If you have a 12 timed it’s highly possible that the diminished score will not be higher than your clean score when you timed the 12

What they’re saying is that if you had never timed a key on that dungeon you could go over by 40% of the timer and still receive some type of score.

But if that’s lower than the next key level down reward then you won’t see any score for it

[sullen cloak]

ok that makes sense...thank you

[storm birch]

Hopefully that explains

Sure thing

[analog kite]

is an 8k dps increase to swap all my gems for 14k gold worth it

[young swan]

fuck no

[analog kite]

lol

[young swan]

unless if u want to

then sure

[analog kite]

i have gold, but im like fml.

watch if i get a new item in vault its gonna want me to swap again

[storm vapor]

Thats just within margin of error... Not worth

[earnest canyon]

I wish I had your gold

[analog kite]

i just buy tokens tbh

[earnest canyon]

You have like "fuck you money", but in wow

oh

[analog kite]

cant be bothered to farm

[earnest canyon]

same

[trim hound]

I just feely-craft my gems tbh

[whole yacht]

how poor are you that 14k gold is a lot.

[analog kite]

its not alot, but ive swapped gems like 4 times in the past 2 weeks

[whole yacht]

not you drax

[flat river]

https://tenor.com/view/frieren-arizona-frieren-potion-frieren-smug-smooch-potion-gif-13899834598560246883

[dense elbow]

Glad I caught this and got to help this guy out

[thick fossil]

Hey, I actually like Arizona green tea!

The blueberry stuff is awesome!

[earnest canyon]

That stuff is nearly 50g of sugar in a large can...yikes

[spark wave]

Whats the issue?

[young swan]

reap damage is shit

rb damage is shit

ramp should never be higher than either in a key

[dense elbow]

shit said above is the real shit

[olive wraith]

Maybe ramp>reap if you pull 3 at a time

But that’s troll

[dense elbow]

I promise, I dont pull 3 mobs

[young swan]

tanking?

[dense elbow]

Yapyap

[olive wraith]

Prot Of when

[young swan]

prot pretty fun

[dense elbow]

BDK

[young swan]

wish i had any crit

oh

no comment

[remote bobcat]

he griefed

hmmNod

[dense elbow]

Took feeback like a champ tho, so saved

Will prob top in the next keys

Trust

[olive wraith]

You love to see people accept feedback

[dense elbow]

But how ppl like this are in 15s, I will never know

[olive wraith]

Were you around when I was talking about a recent 12 ara I did

Rsham didn’t know why they were getting sucked in on the last boss

Didn’t know to stand in puddle

[dense elbow]

Poor guy, at least he learned something new

[olive wraith]

Kinda crazy how some people get hard carried to that level

[dense elbow]

12 is groundfloor tho

makes sense

15 is an old 10, ish

guess 18 is when you got to stop catjamming and focus a tad

[olive wraith]

10 in what era lol

[dense elbow]

Last season?

[olive wraith]

I’m relatively new to m+ (Df)

That’s cap

[dense elbow]

10 felt like a 5, or something

ya just walked through it

[whole yacht]

🤔

[dense elbow]

Am I wrong tho >:(

[olive wraith]

I disagree

[whole yacht]

youre always wrong funky

[dense elbow]

Nah

Odyns Fury needs a buff

[whole yacht]

been a while since i spoke in here regularly.

but youre still wrong 🙁

crazy 🙁

[dense elbow]

Woha, lemon became lemonade

[olive wraith]

I agree this season is easier

[dense elbow]

A lot easier

[olive wraith]

But this season 15 =s2 10 doesn’t sound right to me

[dense elbow]

fair enough

[sullen dove]

maybe like a 1-2 key level diff cuz everyones tiersets are like so bonkers good this season

but yea 5 is cooked

[dense elbow]

12?

I am hard pressed to go higher

[storm birch]

Oh yea no way this season 15 is prolly last season 13 imo

At least at current normal gear levels

Maybe max gear that evens out a little not sure yet

[red berry]

thinking a 15 is a ‘10’ is neglecting how scaling goes up at 12

[storm birch]

But def not 10

[olive wraith]

I stopped at resi 14 last season. So ya maybe 2 key levels

[storm birch]

I mean just look at the damage sacred tolls do on a 15 rn vs what they did on a 10 last tier. Very different

(From priory)

[whole yacht]

to be fair. funky, maybe it feels so easy, cuz last season 12's 13's and such were not hard

so a 15 feeling like a 12 last season, would make it feel even easier than it actually is

[dense elbow]

ez weekly key is ez

<@&257983573498265600>

pewpew

[whole yacht]

this fuckin guy 😂

YOU MAKE MONEY I MAKE MONEY, NO SCAM PROMISE

[storm birch]

$100k in a week omg !

[whole yacht]

GIMME SSC

[storm birch]

I’m gonna be rich

[dense elbow]

Hold up

[whole yacht]

super rich

[dense elbow]

100k a week?

NO I DIDNT SAVE THE LINK!

What have... I done?!

[storm birch]

You’d think they’d pick a more believable number 🤦🏼

[dense elbow]

Meh, half the effort of a scam, is to get rid of the ppl who know better

works perfectly for that

[dim furnace]

Hi all this is my logs I would like to increase my damage but I don't know how to do it help me
Pls 😕https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/nemesis/pikkolawarr?private=1 t

[storm birch]

I imagine a world where my brain computing power does not allow me to see that a fury discord channel getting random posted for $100k in a week is a scam and wonder wow what would that version of Oxxy be doing right now

[dense elbow]

#1347646810457636974 is the place to go, for more structured help

[storm birch]

Are you looking for m+ tips or raid tips?

[dim furnace]

M tips

[storm birch]

None of your recent m+ runs seem to have logs associated with them. Are you able to actually log a run for review? @dim furnace nothing glaringly obvious that I can see from mobile except dropping focus in chaos for a second point in critical thinking but that’s not gonna change your damage much

They have a parse but I can’t go in an actually look at how you’re utilizing abilities, cds, and such

[olive wraith]

An overall details breakdown will also help identify any glaring issues

[storm birch]

Yea pretty much anything you have. Looking at m+ parses doesn’t really help anyone though. Your gear looks ok and your talents are mostly ok. Really just need to see what you’re pressing.

[cursive flower]

Just noticed that wrecking throw is a thing, after checking logs for talents

Aside from obviously using on shields, is worth using outside of it?

[olive wraith]

Better filler than ww

And people use it on pull to get into combat

[remote bobcat]

[olive wraith]

Throw-> regular opener

[jovial dust]

is nether prism bad for fury?

[hardy bluff]

yea

[jovial dust]

really?

[young swan]

not really

its like

fine

its just u have to give up, in an ideal world, either stone idol or antenna

and thats just not worth it

if ur other trinkets suck u can have some fun with it before u get the good stuff

[sudden tusk]

looked at my routes earlier how do you have so many bolters in the pull

even in my 18 we had 4 bolters plus giant

might be overpulling maybe

[storm birch]

Not sure if 8 was an estimate but yea 8 sounds like way too many. I’m used to 4-5 iirc and then a couple cry of mgrrggrlglrr or whatever.

[thick fossil]

The tank pulled 4 separate camps, plus the patrols of nothing mobs. 6-8 casters.

[sudden tusk]

too much

[thick fossil]

We survived, but my damage was junk cause I was on the backfoot kicking and controlling mobs for the group.

[storm birch]

But with dealing with 4 or 5 I just watch for casts that will go off on me from plater and spell reflect them. Insta impending victory if I’m without SR if I get hit by one . Rally the tidal stomp/cast overlap. And shockwave a cast/tidal stomp overlap. Save enraged regen and health pot if I get unlucky rng that causes me to almost get double bolted or a bolt and stomp
Same time

[sudden tusk]

i basically save group wide CC for double casts that can't be done anything about

[storm birch]

Yea

[sudden tusk]

the big murlock that buffs their damage is also very scary if that cast goes off

[thick fossil]

Yeah, I reflected one, kicked one, got hit by one. Rallied the stomp, shock waved the regrouped casters. I didn't have the long shockwave though. I'm running it now.

It was just crazy spooky.

[sudden tusk]

becuase if he buffs them. they all run off then start casting from afar it is rough

[thick fossil]

Yeah, I had to charge and kick/bolt casters.

We timed it, but I don't think I should be having to work that hard and sac a shit ton of damage.

[storm birch]

I bring concussive blows too to have the second less cd on pummel and increased damage on them so they die faster even though I cleave off Goliath

But I like CB better anyway for pretty much all dungeons

And a resto sham so they can kick a lot 🙂

[tepid cedar]

does anyone have thge small X WA we can place near our foot for positioning

[thick fossil]

I do really enjoy a good resto shaman, they do take a lot of pressure off the dps kicks.

[young swan]

https://wago.io/5OGQXGuyx

[sudden tusk]

felt good after i got used to using this

it looks horrible on screen but true position while my character was doing backflips is great

[tepid cedar]

ty xan

[thick fossil]

Now I get to work on 17 resil. lol

2 down already

[storm birch]

I still gotta get priory and flood

[thick fossil]

17?

[storm birch]

Yea. I got close to a 17 flood this morning but it got bricked right before swampyboi

I don’t even see 18’s in the queue at the times I’m able to play. Need an eco dome/gambit 18 to get me started on them. Should be easy if I can find the group 🤣

[thick fossil]

I had my best flood run today to get resil 16. The druid pulled the world each pull, we never stopped pulling. It was great.

[storm birch]

Yea with a good group that dungeon feels like a dream

[thick fossil]

I was actually cranking dps. Finished Big Mama fight at 13 mil dps

I'm not sure if I like how flat our damage profile is, but god damn do we just hold the line and soar once other's cool downs wear off.

[storm rune]

Consistent damage is nice and all but I still miss RA

[storm birch]

Damage every pack is useful. Between SD/slayer strike and our raging blows we do defentnprio damage too even in the big packs. I like where we’re at

Decent*

[thick fossil]

Not sure if it's the smartest thing to do, but I try and burn down the really nasty mobs in packs. Like if there are a lot of casters, I'll burn one fast then switch to the high health one.

[storm birch]

I do the same. For example I’ll focus a priest in priory pretty much always. Since I bring concussive blows I get 5% increased dmg to them too when I get the kick on them. My goal is to full nuke them

In pugs I personally think it’s really smart and helps prevents bricked keys. In coordinated groups you can just do a kick rotation and cc rotation

[thick fossil]

Ok, so I'm not alone in that mindset. lol

[storm birch]

Some dungeons you don’t want to tho. Like halls the shard needs to die asap

I’d say in gambit the Goliath needs to die asap too. And in the very first pull of priory imo the knight needs to die asap. After that I prio dangerous casters pretty much exclusively

Idk how many people do that but I honestly feel it’s a little cheat code when pugging

[thick fossil]

The quicker the casters get removed the easier it is. As the only spooky parts in M+ are when you have a ton of bolters or nonstop pulse damage.

[sage python]

Can anyone take a look at this log? 16 ara I feel like im doing something wrong but Im not sure where my lack of dmg is https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/X6WFk7dCwPGvQDcL?fight=17&type=damage-done&source=846

[thick fossil]

I honestly dislike the quad pull in Priory with all the toll paladins. That is beyond spooky.

Healer good to keep everyone topped? No, wipe. Tank leaves the mobs standing in the consecrate, most likely a wipe. Tank doesn't stagger them properly, you just die. lol

[thick fossil]

Is radiant power still simming the best for you?

[whole yacht]

classic is a wild place

[sage python]

difference was marginal for my toon (+- 3kish)

so I just stayed with that enchant

in aoe atleast

[cobalt kernel]

may be worth simming other enchants

[thick fossil]

What did the Survival hunter and Frost DK end up doing?

[sage python]

oh here is whole log

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/X6WFk7dCwPGvQDcL?fight=17&type=damage-done

I sent only my log

[thick fossil]

Heh, Survival bombs are so broken. lol

Your damage isn't bad at all though, couple things that could be tweaked in enchants/gear talents. I don't see any major flaws in damage breakdown.

I'd try resimming your cloak fiber and enchants for sure.

[sage python]

thanks

ill do some tinkering 👍🏾

[quiet breach]

is this a pserver?

[whole yacht]

this is mop classic.

[visual wing]

Is arcanocore st only?

[young swan]

yes

[visual wing]

Thank you.

[young swan]

it does technically have an aoe component but u might as well pretend it doesnt exist

[thick fossil]

It's not bad, it's maybe 3-4% of a key's damage if you get lucky.

Idol and Pace are worlds better thou

[weary plume]

How do you survive floodgate surveyors in pugs
at +15 i just get rooted by architects and die
am i just supposed to hold bladestorm or what it feels genuinely impossible to deal with in uncoordinated pugs

[chilly fractal]

Charge can break root with the 1 hero talent

Reck and Avatar can break root provided you don’t already have the Avatar buff

You got options

[modest condor]

people arent kicking the surveyors in +15s?

[sudden tusk]

you pull max 2 the entire dungeon and unless they are pulling divers onto them there is 0 reason the beams ever go off

[modest condor]

if you die to a surveyor cast going off because you're rooted from the architect i would just say gg go next

[zealous canopy]

anyone knows what weakauras use noxiv that a voice says interrupt and shows who's next to interrupt

[modest condor]

addon called secret vegan tools or something

[thick fossil]

Would only be useful in an organized group. Since everyone would have to have the same notes setup.

[astral mica]

hey guys, wasnt able to find this under builds sections. is SMF a thing? Ive been 80 for about 24 hours and i somehow got both the mythic 1hs from plexus. was wondering how behind it is

[zealous canopy]

i want this for my friends

[astral mica]

or what to drop for it/just craft a 2h anyways

[zealous canopy]

?

[modest condor]

?

[zealous canopy]

there's no addon called something like that

[olive wraith]

Maybe they’re thinking of the spinning dudes

[modest condor]

http://puu.sh/KBswJ/5f69beb398.png

[zealous canopy]

lol couldnt find it from curseforge app

gonna try ty

[weary plume]

Apparently not

died like 3 times in 2 floodgates to this shit

[weary plume]

I guess this is a shout though

kinda forgot about that

[sinful spoke]

this is what human beings do

[storm birch]

Focus one down and perma kick it. If you get rooted out of range you can storm bolt it. Should die pretty quickly

[frank lintel]

hi just messing around on fury. can recklessness and avatar be on the same keybind? is there any reason why i wouldn't want to do that

[woven valley]

Can’t really do that if you’re playing slayer cause cdr makes them have different cooldowns every time

[sullen dove]

same with thane

both use anger management is why

slayer has extra cdr on bs and that might desync with both

its not "the worst" to macro them together but should probably still have reck bound separately so you can accurately see when its off cd and time its use

maybe can like depend on a weakaura to track it if you want and just hit the on cd avatar keybind but eh too much extra work

+1 button chill

[frank lintel]

ah okay ty

which spell recieves cdr? i'd like to bind berzerking on one of them.

[sullen dove]

recklessness

and bladestorm/ravager whichever yer usin

[frank lintel]

👍

[sour tundra]

When are they going to nerf BM hunters... Had one at 704 ilvl out dpsing the others that were 717 ilvl

[young swan]

prob wont

last season, turbo boost soon, alpha soon, remix soon

they also seem to have stopped caring about the top end and only worry about bringing the bottom performers up

[slate sun]

Quick Q how the fuck do you handle kyveza images on ?? delve? I can count to like 4 and then its 50/50 for the last 2, is there tech for it or am i just dumb?

[young swan]

brain diff

[hoary agate]

Let em have a turn they have been dog tier in m+ since df s1

[young swan]

so have we?

whats ur point

also im so certain there hasnt been a tier in existence where bm has been "dog tier"

that spec is always viable

[hoary agate]

Wrong mentality, rather than nerf x class, fix us etc

[young swan]

i dont think they should be nerfed

I just dont think "they've been dog tier since x season" is a good excuse for being 15% better than the next best spec

[hoary agate]

The reply wasn't at you? 🤣 And hunter has been dog for high keys for sure.

They aren't 15% above 🤣 and they also have limited utility and no raid buff so idk, kinda like warrior utility warrior should be 5-10% DPS ahead if that's all they bring

[young swan]

they are 15% above

also like, they have a ranged kick, lust, brez, impossible to die, infinite movement etc etc

definitely not one of the specs in the game that should ever be this good

but oh well

last season

who care

also binding shot, but that has very limited use cases in m+

[hoary agate]

What are you talking about lol

Bres?!

[young swan]

they have brez pets

[hoary agate]

Rofl

They haven't had that for a good while now please stop making stuff up

[young swan]

have they not? isnt that like a pet spec thing

[hoary agate]

Also they are not 15% ahead, maybe BM Dr in 10 keys where they yoink all the damage

They have pet specs sure, lust, speed or more hp

Pet Res is looong gone

[earnest canyon]

Brez? Afraid not.

Oh I'm slow as usual

[hoary agate]

For your other points long cd range kick > melee kick, too many classes with lust it's no longer a utility imo. Sure they have movements but warrior is hardly restricted by movement to cast only anti melee mech. Binding shot is also trash apart from runners or m+ maybe pack leader as it grips in

Like why do people comment on classes they know zero about and spread misinformation 🤣

[young swan]

idk that i would ever say lust isnt a utility

[fading sky]

Y

Helps grp comps a lot

[hoary agate]

You never bring a class because it has lust ever

[fading sky]

Well yes?

U never use drums

[young swan]

u definitely do

[hoary agate]

Even low keys best class DPS + drums = better. And you always pick the class that's best and has lust for high keys. If there is no good DPS you take a shaman healer for example 🤣

[icy topaz]

[storm birch]

I found that turning my cam by holding right click and backpedaling was helping me actually have my character face where I wanted him to. If you just spin camera sometimes your character doesn’t actually turn in time.

Other tip is to watch the first two spawns as they come out and then disregard them (cause you will already be positioned for them) and hard focus on the last clone spawns . The first two spawn before the first dash goes off

[fading sky]

at anytime when did a highkey comp exlude lust,?

[hoary agate]

Read msg again

[fiery tide]

when you dont wanna time the key

[earnest canyon]

The DR spec was also unplayable for most of the expansion for bm. It was so bad it wasn't even a meme spec. Now they massively buffed it it is very good, but PL is still better for prio damage with large pulls.

[fading sky]

Ye so in low keys ppl choose lust

Shoulf they? Prob no

Will they yes

[hoary agate]

Exactly so when comparing class a to class b lust is very low on a list tbh for high keys at least

[sullen dove]

I mean someone’s gotta bring it

[fading sky]

Only coz shaman is go 2 healer

[sullen dove]

def helps to have it vs not

[hoary agate]

100% but that's not the point, advertising a class with 3 utilities one or then being lust is not so good

[fiery tide]

you got resto druid aswell

[sullen dove]

I mean it’s p good

[hoary agate]

When you have shaman with lust, buff, infinite cc, low cd kick etc

[sullen dove]

Not the most important maybe

but always a consideration

and if shaman happens to be a terrible healer that can’t keep up in a 20

u can’t play shaman

[hoary agate]

Mage with like 6 defensives stops, buffs etc

[fading sky]

I almost never see grps without

[hoary agate]

Legit my point, hunter has been trash twice df and had lust, you didn't bring it cus it has lust

[fading sky]

Hmm last tier mm was insane in raid

So dno measurement if only m+?

+20

Coz mm has been great for 2 seasons? Up until they lacked defensives

[hoary agate]

Yeah we talking about m+

And mm was ok-ish but all just giga aoe pad and actually hunter doesn't lack defensives

Especially if you play DR

[young swan]

bm was hard meta in like uh

s4 bfa mdi

thats one more than fury

[hoary agate]

Yeah 1 season kek

[young swan]

thats one more than fury

[fading sky]

Season 3-4 sl

[hoary agate]

Anyway we digress my point was more about you ask for buffs for your class or changes, rather than need X class's they 15% ahead and have a fake utility I just made up - this gets you nowhere lol

Failing that you pull a Ret and close this discord

[fading sky]

Lust would help

[young swan]

well my point was just that it doesnt deserve to be as broken as it is

and it doesnt

[fading sky]

In the 7-12 bracket

A lot

Yes

[young swan]

cause its the best class in raid and m+ and also just the easiest spec in the game to play

[hoary agate]

Go play it please 🤣

[young swan]

i dont have any interest in playing it

[fading sky]

Thats bm of df?

[young swan]

its not a hot take to say its the easiest spec in the game

you can do your entire rotation while running around

[hoary agate]

I mean it's not the hardest spec, but saying that as a melee slayer spamming raging blow.... 🤣

[young swan]

melee is harder than ranged by default

[sullen dove]

we have to brave ground effects in melee

fancy footwork

hunters are singing pay phone

[hoary agate]

Man 1 step to the left isn't hard if you remember you have a 2nd Braincell for movement

[sullen dove]

only mechanic that actually like hurts ranged bad tho is when mobs like jump out and attack ranged players

[fiery tide]

what about everything that forces you to be out of melee range for a longer period?

[fading sky]

Take 2 steps left

[hoary agate]

You act like we have 50% uptime