fury

[unreal onyx]

dam

i've been playing wrong the entire time

[fluid agate]

because when I watched vods of people playing in raid I saw them use it when no adds are out on cd

but guess it barely does damage

[warm crag]

it doesnt really matter but it is optimal play to only press roar when you'd slam instead

[thick fossil]

It would need a very very large amount of targets to be better than meat cleaver RB.

Like first pull in Gambit.

[weak condor]

will gilded crests be uncapped with Turbo boost?

[chilly fractal]

Turbo Boost is active on PTR and Crests are uncapped on PTR so it’s likely

[weak condor]

aitait

[coarse nest]

I’m out of upgrades next week if I don’t get any myth track items so it would make sense for turbo boost to come with uncapped crests since a lot of people are probably in a similar position

@undone flower so close to salad bar prog starting! We got SHs to about 5% each last night

[limber oar]

I know you didnt mention me (im jealous btw) but gz

Drop a generational nuke

[charred flint]

how

i still need to level so much shit to 710

[iron portal]

900 weathered, 800 carved, 300 runed

I am ready for boost

[charred flint]

guys

how high is wrecking throw prio when talented outside of shields

cause its a lot of daamge still

[radiant plank]

Above slam, below tr

[charred flint]

are you sure? cause it does 1.1m

and thunderous roar isnt

talented if u have wt

[radiant plank]

Yes I am sure

and why arent u talenting TR if u have wt

[charred flint]

how to get both

[radiant plank]

2nd wind, leap cdr, movespeed node

shrugeg

[burnt stone]

cooldown of Bladestorm through WA, but when I went to M+ this week, WA flashed saying Bladestorm was off cooldown, and even though I pressed the key, it didn’t go off. Is anyone else experiencing the same issue?

[remote bobcat]

there is a bug where bladestorms cooldown increases when clicking sudden death execute

it happens sometimes

i dont know the exact conditions when it happens, sadly

[warm crag]

did you play a key level under 12?

[burnt stone]

Does this only happen on M+?

[warm crag]

weakauras can't calculate flat cdr with gradual cdr properly

[coarse nest]

@limber oar so close to salad bar prog starting! We got SHs to about 5% each last night

[burnt stone]

Yeah I just had that happen to me on 10+

[coarse nest]

[warm crag]

you got the xalatath CDR and then rampaged

weakauras cant calculate that cdr properly, your only fix for this is using actionbars to track your bladestorm cd or doing 12+

[coarse nest]

Vault rewarded useful 714s and I didn’t waste crests

[warm crag]

this doesnt affect the visual of it though

[remote bobcat]

Fair

[warm crag]

bs cd will still be tracked properly if that happens it just adds a second

[burnt stone]

I don't want to use the action bar so I guess I'll have to go with 12+ lol

[smoky vale]

Hi king @burnt stone

[chilly fractal]

Sims are making we wait until Turbo Boost to upgrade my bracers above 704

[remote bobcat]

cowfarmers is god-king, not only king

[burnt stone]

I am not the king.

[smoky vale]

Yes you are

[remote bobcat]

You are the god-king

for real

[burnt stone]

[limber oar]

GZ

[fallow otter]

DURABLE INFORMATION CONTAINOR and CRAFT HASTE MASTERY BELT Comparison simc results show that 704 CRAFT BELT DPS is higher, is it better to change it to CRAFT BELT?

[boreal needle]

hey guys does any one can give me a hand on why i can't beat 7 mill overall dps, cuz gear looks normal, simcraft says this is the best i have and still

dps breakdown from priory 14

[warm crag]

it won't be a gear issue

although the single socketed neck goes hard

[remote bobcat]

not gear issue

[boreal needle]

yeah always forget about it xD

[boreal needle]

okay so any advices then?

[burnt stone]

Refer to APL and check if you are doing rotation similarly.

[boreal needle]

cuz i genuinely cannot understand why

[remote bobcat]

• keep yourself fucking enraged, please
• dont forget your whirlwind stacks
• have bladestorm ready beginning of every single pack and every single boss fight

You can always refer to #1347646810457636974 or you can post logs here

[smoky vale]

i fear schnappi will be shot within the week

[remote bobcat]

whys that

[smoky vale]

time for a new avatar

[remote bobcat]

Hmmge

you can run this as pfp

[hardy cargo]

join me in the warrior glorp faction of pfps

[smoky vale]

nein

hmm

[cobalt relic]

all gg

[oblique pond]

is the arcanocore actually that good? i feel like it is siming higher then in a real fight scenario

for example i tried arcano core on a st fight compared to a sack of terror and the dmg sac of terror did on my details was way higher then aranocore

[hardy cargo]

sack also gives u mastery instead of str on the trinket too

arcanocore owns in st

[chilly fractal]

You can compare the damage it’s doing to what the damage it does in a sim

[smoky vale]

wha sac gives mastery

since when

[hardy cargo]

sack of terror

[chilly fractal]

Sack not sac

[smoky vale]

ycuk

[dusky swan]

what u think about trinket guys? sac 723 other can 710

what to play?

[radiant plank]

idk

what does ur sim say

[smoky vale]

walhe

[hard widget]

I have no idea kekw

No clue

[radiant plank]

gio

[smoky vale]

who will schnappi be shot for

[carmine estuary]

Hello guys, what raidbots setup do You use to Sim Yourself for M+ ?

[smoky vale]

none i wear highest ilvl because i have no other options

[compact knot]

5m 1 target

Then just use crit heavy trinkets for aoe, antenna or idol or pacemaker

Since crit is a bit better in aoe.

[clever belfry]

can u stop disrespecting the king

[carmine estuary]

would You go pacemaker with Arcanocore or Screams of forgotten sky for m+ ?? or just sim it

[chrome plover]

pacemaker if theyre all the same ilvl imo

[carmine estuary]

Yea but im asking about 2nd trinket

[compact knot]

Pacemaker and screams

I think screams is a very good trinket in general

It matters so very little though ngl.

[warm crag]

screams for m+

ominous

[compact knot]

Sims don't really account for the explosion effect afaik

[warm crag]

i mean its still not very good

[compact knot]

Idk it's better than arcanocore

[warm crag]

fights dont last long enough for it to be decent in st and then it just kinda goes on whatever in aoe

[warm crag]

not a high bar to beat

[smoky vale]

why does screams get scayr

[carmine estuary]

so maybe pacemaker + soleah (stolen crit)

[compact knot]

Probably

Idk I feel like gear doesn't really matter

I say it alot but gear is like 5% of your overall in a dungeon as fury

[hardy shuttle]

Screams and arcanocore are probably both pretty bad in keys. I'd just go off ilvl between those two tbh

[restive granite]

anyone has a warrior wa set like these ones?

asking for a friend

[radiant plank]

ask @clever belfry

[carmine estuary]

just simmed 5m 1t and apparently it wants me to play delve belt with spark burst and forgotten sky + arakara , so basically i will end up at 1500 crit

[drifting token]

The trinkets are the one slot you arent looking at the sims for

[compact knot]

^^^^^

Every slot highest ilvl then check what trinkets people run at high key levels by sorting by spec on wcl

[remote bobcat]

[clever belfry]

why?

[vast steppe]

Guys just checking, what's a "high" sim right now with ~717+ ilvl for pure ST (think Fractillus)?
Something like 5.5m? Higher?

[limber oar]

From what ive heard from a player way better than me in a guild with someone who works as an analyst for echo is that any fight which introduces any swapping or multiple enemies, screams loses infinite value

[limber oar]

5.65+ is pretty high

[vast steppe]

5.65 gotcha

Thanks!

[limber oar]

Id say 5.7 is pretty damn high

[coarse nest]

5.645 here

Potentially a chest drop which makes it go up a little

[vast steppe]

Probably forcing myself out of Arms for these last 2 mythic bosses and just checking where I stand with my arms gear...
Highest seemed to be 5.51 so I can probably optimize this further

[limber oar]

Without chest is crazy i gotts resim myself

So many reclears with no gear drops is giving me turbo cancer

[hardy shuttle]

I was about here in st talents until I swapped to duskthreads. It was basically an even sim in my multitarget build to do the swap

[coarse nest]

Neck/1ring/chest/trinket are what’s left for me before full myth track

[vast steppe]

4 loom kills our guild has seen 0 mythic antennas...

We're damn doomed here

[limber oar]

Im still rocking 704 helm, ring, and shoulders and wrists

[earnest canyon]

Or you could say...LOOMED!!! Ahahahahah

[limber oar]

Antenna is a bad trinket in raid i swesr by this

And i say this having a 723 antenna

[coarse nest]

Bro last week when I missed because of the reschedule BOTH tier items I needed dropped

:dead:

[limber oar]

I despise this thing with my while heart

[limber oar]

Yikes

We have gotten

[vast steppe]

I've also been incredibly unlucky never seen a mythic weapon so my Fury offhand is 710 and my mainhand is crafted

[limber oar]

In 6 plexus kills

0 plate chests

[coarse nest]

Same actually

Kinda wild

[limber oar]

And i just got the arcanocore last week

Weve also gotten

[coarse nest]

Hoping to see a forge weapon soon

[limber oar]

0 zenith shoulders or helms

[coarse nest]

I’m cursed with skyreaver stats right now

[vast steppe]

I'm going to rock arcanocore + sac cuz I have nothing better

Neither are mythic

Cuz Plexus also never dropped his mythic trinket

[coarse nest]

I’m on the same page with antenna

I don’t even want one I’ll be happy getting it dead last 🤣

[hard widget]

Im cursed with a shit ilvl

[coarse nest]

Cba chasing little orbs around

[hard widget]

🙂

Haha

[limber oar]

Im telling you

[coarse nest]

Bro acts like he ain’t doing 19s type shit

[limber oar]

Arcanocore on salhadaar is the most infuriating item

[hard widget]

Doesnt mean my ilvl isnt wack haha

[vast steppe]

Oh yay

[hard widget]

I was thinking to buy the helm boe

[vast steppe]

I have no alternative

[limber oar]

Er no

Sry

Antenna

[hard widget]

But i cant game much next 2 weeks

[vast steppe]

Antenna?

[limber oar]

Arcanocore is good

[vast steppe]

Ah yeah

[coarse nest]

Imagine your success when the gear arrives!

[limber oar]

Ya arcanocore good

Antenna terrible

Screams eh idk

I see a lot of people use it but im not convinced its great in salhadaar

[coarse nest]

Arcano and sac is great

[limber oar]

I meed to actually get one to test

[limber oar]

Had sac in my vault buuuut

I took the plate chest

[calm mantle]

Can someone show me there Odyns m+ build for slayer? If it's a variation of the one in the FAQ

[limber oar]

Knowing full well plexus wouldnt drop one

[slim coral]

[limber oar]

And lo and behold the fker didnt

[coarse nest]

Apoc was finding that with turbo boost ilvl ticking sack was cranking on shorter sim times

I’ll probably seek one of those too

For early farm bosses

[remote bobcat]

xdd

[limber oar]

Prob goes infinite on plexus and loomy

And probably fraccy

[slim coral]

the disrespect is crazy

[limber oar]

In a few weeks

[remote bobcat]

Baze you dont compare to cowfarmers

[hard widget]

Baze is goated

It is what it is

[calm mantle]

Is it pheasible to take off Roar for m+ if I run odyns and put the points elsewhere or am I trolling?

[remote bobcat]

chatting

Is it trolling if I fuck my class tree up as a response to me fucking up my spec tree?

chatting

[calm mantle]

Are you refering to me taking odyns as fucking my spec tree? if so how?

[remote bobcat]

its an insider joke

odyns fury does like 3% overall

damage

🤏

[coarse nest]

Odyns cook died for me

Much rather have DE

[calm mantle]

I just want odyns for easier aoe opener, I did want DE that's why I was asking if it was fine to remove roar or at least the add ons for roar.

[warm crag]

if you ever talented OF this season you were lost i nthe first place

[calm mantle]

I haven't used it yet but I was considering it

[winter shoal]

Cowfarmers is undisputed goat

[remote bobcat]

thats what im saying

[remote bobcat]

go fresh meat then

like normal people

[remote bobcat]

OF was good when u only had 2set cuz u were lacking aoe otherwise

[warm crag]

red herring

you are lost

[remote bobcat]

[warm crag]

your soul is in the nether

[winter shoal]

Nah don't listen to the haters @calm mantle it really isn't a big difference. If you're playing OF (especially if you're also playing titanic) I think the roar capstones make more sense than without OF, but just putting those points into cruel strikes is also fine. These mfs are losing their minds about like 2% dps swings in st vs aoe

[calm mantle]

What would I remove to put on fresh meat?

[winter shoal]

Drop CSHB

[remote bobcat]

why are you talented into cshb and imp bt

imp bt is explainable but why cshb

[calm mantle]

Pretty sure I took this talent from this discord FAQ a few weeks ago so I dunno

[remote bobcat]

oh lord

[winter shoal]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/fury/slayer/DAOBUVBUERhYUIpRUBQOVUUVUBVQRShURQCEUEFVVUBF

I'd play that if I was playing OF

[remote bobcat]

yea sounds about right

but u cant drop roar

[winter shoal]

Depending on how many weeks ago, things changed slightly due to a tier set hotfix

[remote bobcat]

if u drop roar by going of

then ur just griefing

[winter shoal]

#dps-faq has updated builds like the one I sent

[remote bobcat]

bowwl he wants to not play roar

[winter shoal]

Kronzo and spoingus are known haters, just live your life and play the talents you want

Then play spear man idc

[remote bobcat]

huh

[winter shoal]

It's not gonna make a noticeable difference if you're otherwise playing the spec correctly

But also roar/spear is a class tree choice whereas of/CT is a spec tree choice

Can mix and match to your heart's content anyways

[calm mantle]

So this is the updated build and I'd change IB for FM?

[remote bobcat]

improved bloodthirst is almost useless as it only really buffs the unhinged casted BTs and some bloodthirst casts in ST situations, fresh meat is a massive quality of life improvement that can be gamed to where you can always enrage yourself on demand

[winter shoal]

I thought you wanted OF

[remote bobcat]

its QoL vs small dmg gain

[calm mantle]

well if I'm going with out OB and trying FM. The biggest appeal with OB was to make enraging and whirlwind stacks easier for initial engage. I can do that with FM I guess.

[winter shoal]

Yeah if your only goal is to have the instant enrage then just swab IB for FM

It's like 0.5% difference or some shit

[cobalt relic]

all gg

wp

[vast steppe]

Yeah that's the best I can do
It'll have to work
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sTEq6WPSrTYVgd1P2Mj7gn

[analog kite]

do we get another half spark this coming reset?

[frozen lake]

You get a half spark every reset

[analog kite]

sorry

[agile creek]

why do the guides say vers weapon enchant / haste over mastery or main stat enchant

[bleak flicker]

Hey, any tips on simming for M+ for Fury

[coarse nest]

Patchwerk 1T 5Min latest

[limber oar]

Typically we get enough mastery through weapons, armor, and jewelry

Though it all depends on your own specific loadout

Your gesr isnt gonna look the same as everyone’s so just sim it

[chilly fractal]

[daring coral]

what do yall do for a lust pull, i feel like im not doing the damage i should, generally get lower DPS than i do on similar pulls without lust

[drifting token]

how is that even physically possible

[chilly fractal]

You mean you’re doing less compared to others?

[eternal sundial]

@oblique trail what a shit char name bro

[chilly fractal]

Or less as in… less

[daring coral]

like lust pull get 14mil but then later in the dungeon a simialr sized pull without lust getting like 20

[coarse nest]

Likely just your positioning

Floodgate is where I have the hardest time doing damage personally

The stupid shredders always fuck my position

[chilly fractal]

How did your Reap damage compare between the pulls

[coarse nest]

But it’s a git gud thing

[agile creek]

yeah but why not dual radiant power

[limber oar]

Cause its worse

[agile creek]

main stat over vers?

[chilly fractal]

Because it doesn’t outperform alternatives

[limber oar]

Like this is a very black and white thing. You can sim it if you want no one is stopping you

[daring coral]

hate those things lol

[limber oar]

But its consistently sims worse than the secondary state alternatives

[chilly fractal]

Because it’s shit by comparison

[limber oar]

And by consistently i mean theres legit one ive ever seen run it

Im just a scientist so im averse to saying its ALWAYS worse when idk for sure but as far as i know it just is bad

[chilly fractal]

Do yourself a favor… how much main stat does Radiant Power give you

[coarse nest]

I try to stack with the tank and move with them after the shredders drop

[chilly fractal]

And how much Vers does that other enchant give you

[coarse nest]

It’s always a shit show

I just do not like that dungeon lmao

[limber oar]

Wait till nexus king prog when you make it to p2

[daring coral]

ill have to try that next time, tend to try to drop it away from the group

[limber oar]

And yoir tank is juming tf out of yiu on the platforms

When circles drop or lazers start

[coarse nest]

I’m so excited for that progression

It’s going to be good

[limber oar]

My tank is making it his mission to obliterate my ankles

And its working

[remote bobcat]

literally my tank

[limber oar]

https://tenor.com/view/ohh-crossover-basketball-ankles-fall-gif-5450232

[sonic coyote]

whats the best sism i can do 2 min 5 targetsss pachtwork ?

[analog kite]

why do you want 2m 5t

[sonic coyote]

idk

thats why am asking xD

bcs dungon slice is broken

[analog kite]

aoe is 5t 5m

[sonic coyote]

i does 6m over all

[analog kite]

st is 1t 5m

[sonic coyote]

okok

so 5 min 5 t

ty

[analog kite]

npnp

[radiant plank]

lmk when u find a 5t pull that lasts 5mins

[coarse nest]

Target dummy lasts infinite

[sonic coyote]

so not 5 min

xD

?

[radiant plank]

Sim the amount of time that a pack lasts ingame

so 40s - 1min

bosses last for 3-4 mins

[sonic coyote]

okok

[radiant plank]

so for m+ you would sim
5-10T 40s

and 1t 3min

example

[olive wraith]

Why would you sim 5t 5min

[radiant plank]

But m+ simming is too nuanced and doesnt really matter so sim 1t 5min for gems and copy farover/critcake/biz trinkets

[olive wraith]

Ya just st sim. That’s our biggest strength in keys anyway

[sonic coyote]

idki feel like i dont do dps in my 16s keys

amn allways like 8/8.5m overall

[dense jewel]

I think the idea behind 5t 5min is to compound an average over a longer period of time

[sonic coyote]

and i feel like thats nothing

[pale lava]

which key?

[compact knot]

i do 5m 1t

[analog kite]

thats for AOE

everyone sims 5t 5m for aoe

[compact knot]

100 parses

[olive wraith]

No one does

[compact knot]

this is not true

but

[sonic coyote]

hoa gambit

[analog kite]

i mean, maybe warriors the only class that doesnt

but literally every other class discord does

[compact knot]

fury doesnt need too

[olive wraith]

Where are you finding a 5t 5min fight

It’s not realistic

[compact knot]

there is a 0% chance arcane mages sim 5m 5t with how that spec works

for AoE

[pale lava]

that overall in gambit is fine since after the murloc area the overall damage just falls off a cliff due to pack size and speed of pulls

[dense jewel]

I use standard dungeon slice my own self

[analog kite]

go look in their discord

[compact knot]

i feel like i dont need too

[pale lava]

but in HoA you could probably pull 9m easily

[sonic coyote]

yea

[compact knot]

i play the spec i understand the nuances behind it, same with fury

[olive wraith]

In what world are 5t surviving 5mins

[compact knot]

both are specs that BARELY change rotation or talents for aoe

[sinful spoke]

oh wow is that my brother khazix

in the fury chat

what in the bomboclat

[compact knot]

i stay in the fury chat now

[sinful spoke]

did u swap again

[compact knot]

i dont want to play arms anymore

yes LMAO

[sinful spoke]

LMAO

[compact knot]

dude it was fun for one tier

then it was bad

[sinful spoke]

cannot say im surprised \

[compact knot]

so i refuse to play it now

[sinful spoke]

yep

[analog kite]

up to you, im only saying this because ive been in there for years

[compact knot]

i still play colossus though

slayer arms is the worst spec ive had the honor of playing this tier though

[remote bobcat]

why do u have vodka tag khazix

[compact knot]

im in vodka

[olive wraith]

Alcoholism

[remote bobcat]

wasnt that noxivs guild?

[compact knot]

i cant even drink yet

legally

dont tell the opps

[compact knot]

yeah

[olive wraith]

Oh god a baby

[remote bobcat]

wtf are u doing in vodka

[compact knot]

hitting bosses

[remote bobcat]

werent you a heroic goober

going for heroic rank 1

[compact knot]

we have moved up to going for mythic rank 1

heroic rank 1 is optional now

not like its even happened yet though

[remote bobcat]

[compact knot]

ig i cleaned house in s4 df all 3 raids

but nobody was playing so fake

[remote bobcat]

yea a lot of people, myself included, avoided DF

[compact knot]

i got rank 11 arms last tier for mythic though

every season its constant improvement

📈

[remote bobcat]

you say that yet most of the time i see you talk about optimization stuff you end up being "i wanna optimize everything" and "eh cant be bothered" at the same time

at least thats the impression i got

[fast mural]

have fun optimizing arms this tier when there is araz and soulbinder

[remote bobcat]

[compact knot]

well some people focus on the wrong things imo

[coarse nest]

Wish for arms buffs

[compact knot]

like gear is fake

[coarse nest]

[compact knot]

stats are fake

[fast mural]

parses are fake

[compact knot]

yes

[coarse nest]

Fake is fake

[fast mural]

sims are fake

[compact knot]

not true

[fast mural]

retail is just a fake version of classic

[remote bobcat]

@compact knot were u allowed to pump boss during loomithar prog?

or did you end up being a web bitch

[compact knot]

i didnt see the light of day for any boss

im still technically a trial

[remote bobcat]

[compact knot]

and fury wasnt seen as a good spec start of season

[remote bobcat]

Fair

furys only truly good fight before hotfix was fractillus

[compact knot]

fractillus also ended up being a fake ass boss so fury also didnt see that boss

[remote bobcat]

yea

[compact knot]

we usually have a niche every tier

nerubar it was big burst

[remote bobcat]

now we're kinda good on nexus king innit

[compact knot]

it WAS big burst until the incident

[remote bobcat]

Yea

rip titans torment

fr

[compact knot]

best talent

and then they replaced it with dogshit

im still running odyns anyways

[remote bobcat]

I miss getting a free enrage

Sadge

[compact knot]

it is too good feelscraft

[remote bobcat]

press ava get enrage

sign me up

[compact knot]

m+ this tier is fun for once i think

atleast as a warrior

[remote bobcat]

ye

[compact knot]

rare occurence

[remote bobcat]

although arms is depression rn

[compact knot]

been that way the whole tier

[remote bobcat]

people get kicked for speccing arms

[analog kite]

whats the % increase from going from 2p to 4p?

lets say with 0 tier, to keep it simple

[olive wraith]

Slayer is like 5% st

For aoe it’s a bit more

[compact knot]

in aoe its giant, st its prob like 6%

[analog kite]

sweet, i just got 4p. so i was just curious

[remote bobcat]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1exJeu5eVe4bTmyg3WFx5PTxIWvDLi0j-WW-XWpGoG88/htmlview

[compact knot]

aoe id guess probably closer to 20% ngl

[remote bobcat]

look at this doc

2p to 4p ended up being 6.5%

0p to 2p was a whopping 13% lol

our 2set is so broken

[compact knot]

does that

mm hunter set bonus

[olive wraith]

Ya slayer 2p is huge

[compact knot]

say 65%

dps increase

[remote bobcat]

yes

remember this is assuming no tier piece before, not even season 2's tier sets

[compact knot]

BM*

that is actually crazy

🦶

[remote bobcat]

yea

[bitter palm]

classic >>>>>>> retail

[remote bobcat]

and this is just ST

now imagine AoE

[earnest canyon]

why did you scrub out the other classes?

[compact knot]

so we could see the main subject

easier

[earnest canyon]

Oh I thought it was secret

[compact knot]

nah it was the sheet linked above

[remote bobcat]

chatting

[earnest canyon]

look at base dps for 0p 😛

outside of tanks its hard to find many (any?) dps at 3.9million

*3.8

[compact knot]

enh totemic sims at 4.7m dps in bis profile

what a sad hero talent

[earnest canyon]

yeah only rogue comes close

so ofc DR will be a huge jump

fury slayer is 5mil with 9p

0p

[remote bobcat]

yea but then again, totemic enhance has aoe built into its ST spec and its bursty as hell meaning it can actually cheat out damage in raid scenarios

[hard widget]

Thats just normal bro

Dw about it

[compact knot]

yeah im gearing my hunter

[remote bobcat]

[compact knot]

play easiest spec in game and do 7.3m st dps

no big deal

[dense jewel]

Man I wish the hunters in my guild could lmao

[woven valley]

I kept telling people the easiest spec on the game shouldn’t be amazing, but nooooo “let people play what they want”

[compact knot]

dude

they are doing

9m dps on nexus king

[coarse nest]

They absolutely murder M+ bosses too

With ranger build ofc

[fleet egret]

What is good rotaion with fury warrior

[young swan]

i think thats kind of a dumb take cause that is absolutely what has kept fury from being busted for years

[fleet egret]

?

[compact knot]

i feel like fury isnt even particularly easy now anymore

[young swan]

i dont really care if a spec is easy and good, but hunters atm is insanely egregious

[compact knot]

ok

st is easy

100%

[coarse nest]

Go to wowhead

[young swan]

aoe is like

a little unintuitive maybe

[compact knot]

aoe you need some intelligence to play

[young swan]

but not really hard

[compact knot]

know when to execute vs when raging blow

arcane was seen as a hard spec but that shit is not hard

you follow a weakaura and clip spells

thats it

[coarse nest]

Let’s be real though we do not have a lot of conditions to play around

Our priority is on the easier side

[woven valley]

My take is, there should always be easy specs on the game. But there should never be one at the top of the dps overall sim wise, like it’s fine to make easy glasses good and decent, but what’s the point of playing anything else if you can play a braindead spec and do top damage? Just bring 6 hunters and gun down bosses no problem

[verbal rivet]

Sub is like the only spec I’d call hard at this point

[analog kite]

sub is easier than outlaw

[woven valley]

Most specs are decently easy, but like bm hunter is almost as braindead as old pally before the holy power rework

[coarse nest]

I don’t see a problem having an “easy” spec take a turn being on top

Everyone should get their turn

[verbal rivet]

Except ret

They can stay at the bottom

[compact knot]

hunters done it all expac though ngl

[young swan]

yeha hunters have been broked as shit for a while

[dense elbow]

One day it will be our turn

[compact knot]

i mean we saw it a bit in season 1

[woven valley]

And then they get buffs

Hunters can suck it

[compact knot]

then in season 2 and 3 it was ramped up even more

[young swan]

because not everyone is a fotm slave

[coarse nest]

Weren’t they sandbagging sims and shit

[young swan]

yes

[compact knot]

yes

they did it twice this tier

already

so

[analog kite]

no the mages found them more dps from their talents

[verbal rivet]

When fury is good, it’s usually STUPID overtuned. So it gets swatted immediately

[dense elbow]

Arguably they just failed to fix their apl, a few times

Not that mattered for their m+ performance

They puuuumped

[woven valley]

I’ve been playing warrior since wod I haven’t changed and won’t change. But seeing specs that are playable by a cat stepping on a keyboard and do more dps than me still hurts lol

[compact knot]

Idk i feel like BM shouldnt be able to do max dps while moving and also max dps while not moving

does not seem fair to other casters

[young swan]

yeah i mean it definitely sucks from our perspective but thats an issue with blizzard hating our class

[coarse nest]

Isn’t BM quite literally
Black arrow proc > kill command > barbed shot> filler with cobra shot

Press all CDs on cd

[compact knot]

i think so

[young swan]

its just blizzard consistently applying inconsistent logic to their game

[woven valley]

Real and true. Warrior has been continually left behind for years

[young swan]

fury isnt allowed to be broken because its easy but bm and mm are

same with arms

[dense elbow]

They got some minmax of how to use stacks and how to make sure they go where you want em

[radiant plank]

yes

[verbal rivet]

I’m also kinda annoyed that MM is as good as it is

[shrewd dew]

yo guys, do you think its worth running prism in hardmode for ST? i know its not optimal but i have hero soleah and hero pacemaker thinking maybe its worth to run it in hardmode for 18 stacks

[dense elbow]

But why

[verbal rivet]

Both specs are top tier

[radiant plank]

no

[young swan]

only play with it if u want to experiment

[coarse nest]

Ehh I wouldn’t

[compact knot]

This spec has been busted this whole expansion

that one in particular

[coarse nest]

Mm requires a bit more thought though

[verbal rivet]

Been sitting at like 7th the entire time

[shrewd dew]

noted thx mates

[compact knot]

more than BM for sure

its not a hard spec to understand

[analog kite]

hunters have to be relevant because with out it pets go away

[compact knot]

when i played it, it felt like ranged fury ngl

[verbal rivet]

I’d put MM about the same difficulty as mage specs

[compact knot]

especially on aoe

[coarse nest]

That’s exactly why I like MM too

It feels like ranged war

[remote haven]

Anything changed to screams? I just upgraded my Legs from HC to Mythic and now it sims like 0,5% higher than before?

[young swan]

shouldnt have

[compact knot]

did you sim something wrong

noting should have changed

[remote haven]

Same sim as before antenna is now at 0.66% and was before 1.1% and screams was the other way around

Just checked also got arcanocore upgrade from HC to Mythic

[dense elbow]

Gear gonna gear, just sim your old gear as well and see if it changes back

[compact knot]

upgrading legs shouldnt change anything that drastically

[coarse nest]

Your gear changed and so did your droptimizer

Crazzyy

[remote haven]

Well yea thats normal ofcourse but ive never seen such a high swing between two trinkets

Also Screams was the full patch below antenna for me and also below arcanocore i think even the BIS list got changed to arcanocore and antenna on wowhead and now its antenna and screams

and now screams is double the upgrade from antenna

[compact knot]

saying many words

[dense elbow]

Just swapping Lo'se stats, turn it from under antenna to over

Gear is gear

[compact knot]

how i summon my pet as BM

[dense elbow]

./summon pet1

[compact knot]

this spec is already harder than anything else ive ever played

gg

[dense elbow]

It's over, reroll ret

[woven valley]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-brian-baumgartner-kevin-malone-few-words-waste-time-gif-4759685

[digital mauve]

are guilds cross factiopns now?

[dense elbow]

Yep

[digital mauve]

wow really? 😮

when did that happen

[dense elbow]

Years ago

[compact knot]

damn human isnt best dps race for bm i need to drop 15 dollars now

actually human racial is op in some dungeons i lied

[earnest canyon]

u need best race for hunter for sure

moocow

[remote haven]

Well my old gear sims differently aswell now. But whatever I guess...

[sinful orbit]

I never understood race swap for more damage

It is so negligible

[compact knot]

oh i see why the 4 piece is broken on BM, the 2pc alone isnt very strong but the 2pc giga buffs your 4pc

ok

[warm crag]

at a certain point its not

my racechange in aberrus was like 2-3% dont remember the exact number

should most of you care? probably not lol

[radiant plank]

Going from smth like draenei to velf is 3%

or vulpera -> velf is 3.8%

[hearty shuttle]

Quick prog trelated question: Does anyone know if the wrecking throw shield break talent is worth picking up for Plexus Sentinel? In the past it seems like what you'd give up isn't worth it in M+, but i wonder on single target raid boss, it's a viable talent

[warm crag]

ye you should pick it

86% of top logs pick it which means the other 14% griefed noobs

[hearty shuttle]

fair enough

[compact knot]

you drop like noting important for it

i use it on fractillus

[radiant plank]

wt is dps increase even if there is no shields

jst saying

[compact knot]

yeah

[proper frigate]

Hey guys ı wanna ask question , Are there any dummy toys that can place at dungeon before m+ start to get bladestorm stack

[dapper goblet]

madox for yellow

[radiant plank]

Yes

[hearty shuttle]

Wait what? Since when? It's always seemed undertunded.

[radiant plank]

Since it got buffed

its a better filler than slam

[hearty shuttle]

I guess I missed it getting buffed.

[bitter palm]

its like 600% ap

but cant crit

mortal strike is 580% iirc

base and can crit

[hollow leaf]

I like our dk

[sullen dove]

fed piggy

[smoky vale]

hi

[clever belfry]

Keanedk

i prefer keaneww

[analog kite]

how do you get that orange ilvl number on the top right

[deep stag]

is it worth dropping crafted item for 2nd mythic weapon ?

[hollow leaf]

[hard widget]

Photoshop

[analog kite]

lol for real?

ive been trying to find like an ilvl addon or something that would show me

[dense jewel]

Probably not if you are losing the embellishment

[hard widget]

Nonono

Im kidding bro haha

[deep stag]

thought so... well SIM said its like 5k dps loss

[coarse nest]

Bros stat panel is hidden!

[radiant plank]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/bettercharacterpanel

[analog kite]

GOATED thank you, going to PM it just so i can find it after work

[sinful spoke]

chat

as a warrior main

spe fury

i recommend an ele shammy alt

this shits so fun

[devout totem]

i recommend a second fury warrior as an alt

[sinful spoke]

i am mentally sick

but

not sick enough to ahve the same class twice as alt

[undone flower]

I have a second war

[undone flower]

Im close to p3 prog on my side, i really like the fight

[limber oar]

Im getting sick of the fight lowkey

I just wanna hit dimmy

[earnest canyon]

who is lowkey

[undone flower]

Im almost 100 pulls in, im fine

[past lance]

wuddup fury warriors

[undone flower]

I imagine it will need 100 more for a kill

[past lance]

ive been rocking mountain thane in raid lol

fuck slayer its boring lol

[undone flower]

Don’t ever say that

https://tenor.com/view/gus-gif-23309277

[iron portal]

I had warrior from my guild like that too

Then he saw my damage

Next pull he was slayer right away

[shrewd dew]

Yo guys if anyone has a clue, I just got a myth arcanocore and I mainly play m+. I have a hero pacemaker/hero soleah. The arcanocore + pacemaker sims higher by a very small margin, y'all think thats accurate?

[limber oar]

Probably

Almost assuredly

Arcanocore likes vers and crit as far as i know

[young swan]

arcanocore will suck dick in aoe

but soleahs is just kinda bad for us

[shrewd dew]

ye i have been unlucky with trinkets so far

[young swan]

theres a bunch of better options that are equally easily attainable

i would just farm hoa until you get idol

[shrewd dew]

i do a few halls keys every day havent gotten lucky yet

[radiant plank]

do a few more

[sudden tusk]

arms channel enjoyer has breeched containment

[radiant plank]

https://tenor.com/view/armswarrior-warrior-warriorwow-armswow-armswarriorwow-gif-27099127

[misty edge]

madox for yellow

[radiant plank]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-truth-nuke-walter-white-true-breaking-bad-truth-nuke-breaking-bad-true-gif-2370094217877194192

[devout totem]

https://tenor.com/view/redblockcustom-man-no-arms-indian-arms-no-arms-man-standing-gif-17755513251794797743

[sudden tusk]

what that feral druid doin

[coarse nest]

https://tenor.com/view/achin-31-gif-13889472538553924636

[radiant plank]

https://tenor.com/view/zyzz-uptempo-zyzz-fist-bump-gif-25235668

[plush zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/water-spray-stop-sprinkle-water-gif-12639877674493562634

[uneven plaza]

Is the Stair tech for Shaynemail known?

to dodge the bleed that is

[analog kite]

https://tenor.com/view/white-chicks-terry-crews-rave-dance-crazy-gif-8083788

[warm crag]

keane is a king

[hybrid willow]

guys quick question, I'm playing slayer fury in ST raid, do I rampage or just slam raging blow till I can't?

[uneven plaza]

After BS you slam RB until no charges or 5 SS or no enrage

[devout totem]

rampage when rage is higher than 115

[uneven plaza]

and ramp when rage greater than 120ish

115*

[hybrid willow]

Thank you very much

I'm trying to figure out what SS is and I can't lmao

[radiant plank]

slaughtering strikes talent

[hybrid willow]

Thank youj

[olive wraith]

People dodge the bleed?

Pugs just run into me half the time

[uneven plaza]

it just happened on accident lmao, so i thought it was worth asking

[olive wraith]

Wouldn’t be surprised. Stairs are kinda weird

[uneven plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/hans-landa-se-la-come-carioca-gif-19942307

[hybrid willow]

BRO lmfao

[uneven plaza]

The Austrian in me

sry if 2 far

[analog kite]

based

[analog kite]

this is why Aussies are great

[plush zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/bonjour-party-inglourious-basterds-gif-14867086

[analog kite]

https://tenor.com/view/dumb-and-dumber-shrimp-australian-bbq-gday-gif-25896452

[plush zephyr]

^how everyone from eu sees Americans

[uneven plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/stupid-dumb-and-dumber-idiot-australia-austria-gif-16975559

[sudden tusk]

never met a funnier group a peaple then those from criminal island

[plush zephyr]

Florida?

Or Australia

[radiant plank]

Aussie

[analog kite]

everyone from the EU has some weird thing for feet though

[plush zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/jeremy-clarkson-top-gear-ummm-oh-dear-grand-tour-gif-25951998

[analog kite]

[heavy folio]

how much you guys are simming lining buffs? 80%?

[olive wraith]

I’m not

[warm crag]

check logs for the uptime for the content you care about

[fallen sedge]

am I supposed to cleave on Mythic Loomithar? I feel like I did pretty well (other than dying 3 seconds before it died) but it looks like my logs are barely even grey?

[olive wraith]

Are you swapping onto balls

[fallen sedge]

ye, like instantly

[olive wraith]

You don’t really get to cleave much

[olive wraith]

That’s probably killing your frenzy buff

Maybe lower ilvl as well

[silent root]

Hi guys, do I only execute in ST, and never aoe? 🙂

[olive wraith]

Plus some rotational mistakes

[fallen sedge]

i prolly made mistakes but is it really 1m worth of dps to do even semi decently?

[flat river]

you execute if your target has 2+ marked for execution stacks

[olive wraith]

I mean people are getting 5m st

[silent root]

ah okay, so im doing it correct ty

i execute when this procs

[flat river]

or if juggernaut about to drop, 2 stacks of sudden death, sudden death about to drop

[coarse nest]

Yes swapping to the tangle is shit but it’s commonly expected

[flat river]

yeah

[fallen sedge]

uuuuh, does that apply to sudden death too?

[flat river]

yes

[olive wraith]

Post a log. I’m assuming something is going wrong

[flat river]

but if below 20% HP, use it when 1+ marked for execution stacks

[flat river]

and also these conditions

[fallen sedge]

will ask my guild if they are okay with it since this kill is a tad embarrasing lmao

[warm crag]

i mean killing the tangles is the correct thing to do for you but you should not be median greyparsing

[olive wraith]

Prog is prog

[coarse nest]

Nobody judging bro you post it to get help

[modest condor]

if it's a public log then they're inherently ok with it in my eyes, also nobody is gonna laugh at other people grey parsing you're just here to improve yourself

[silent root]

shit grey parsing is the way xD

U wanna see my dk xD

[olive wraith]

We here to make each other better

[warm crag]

i misunderstood what that screenshot was nbm

[olive wraith]

Fury fam

[silent root]

You know bladestorm, shall I use it withing these 2, or just alone

[fallen sedge]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a:hDN1AydcJt3VfwFn?fight=last&type=damage-done (i'm the fury warr)

[limber oar]

I love to ego it

[olive wraith]

Right away you’re casting a lot of bt

[limber oar]

My raid lead has admitted he doesnt care if i swap insta so ive taken that as him saying i dony need to unless its taken no dmg

[compact knot]

i thought fury had boring ass talents

BM might take the cake

95% of these talents are just "kill command does 10% more damage. barbed shot lasts 2 seconds longer."

[olive wraith]

Your first rek was 40s?

[compact knot]

probably prepulled it

[fallen sedge]

what do you mean 40s?

[limber oar]

40s into the fight

[fallen sedge]

oh yeah I popped cds before charge

[compact knot]

yeah he popped it before combat started

he has it during opener

[modest condor]

yeah stop casting bloodthirst

[compact knot]

rampage shouldnt be higher than raging blow

and bloodthirst casts DEFINETLY shouldnt be above raging blow

[modest condor]

your casts vs top warriors casts http://puu.sh/KBlhb/d14cd214a3.png http://puu.sh/KBlhg/fd7317f3ca.png

[flat river]

bloodthirst second

[limber oar]

Holy fkn bloodythirst

[olive wraith]

You probably pressing ramp right at 80 rage?

My god I can’t type

[limber oar]

Surely not

With 125casts

(I cant see the wcl rn)

[olive wraith]

He’s got more ramp than rb

[limber oar]

But surely with that few casts hes overcapping enrage significantly

Oh myb

I read wrong on the other image silymarilen posted

Ya hes sending it insta nvm

[olive wraith]

Delay ramp a little for more rb casts

[compact knot]

he doesnt overcap at all really

except bladestorm

the problem is that raging blow is such a huge button now and he just isnt pushing it enough, and also pushing bloodthirst as much as raging blow yet it offers 1/3rd of the damage a ragling blow does

[olive wraith]

He’s just running out of buttons probably cause he’s ramping when it’s available

[modest condor]

your rage gain vs the other guys rage gain http://puu.sh/KBlhQ/d93cc5173b.png http://puu.sh/KBlhU/56bdf2c634.png

[olive wraith]

Oh what

[compact knot]

960 is very low

[limber oar]

So he did overcap

[compact knot]

nah

he is the bottom picture

[modest condor]

you're overcapping so much that despite generating 1000 more rage you actually had significantly less usable rage

[mossy fox]

pogging

[radiant plank]

gz

[compact knot]

W

[coarse nest]

[limber oar]

Gzz

[fallen sedge]

so I'm basically not supposed to ever press BT right now?

[coarse nest]

EzW

[compact knot]

correct

[modest condor]

only if you have nothing else available

[olive wraith]

Bt is like 3rd lowest prio

[fallen sedge]

and just farm RB, press exec if 2 or more stacks?

[cursive quiver]

Gz chief

[warped lichen]

gratulerer kaptein

[mossy fox]

takker

[fallen sedge]

damn!!!! huge

[plush zephyr]

sheeeeeeesh

[fallen sedge]

thanks for the tricks 😄

[edgy widget]

LOCK IN

[compact knot]

Bt is so shit now you dont even really need it bound ngl

[silent root]

hugeee

[compact knot]

i rarely push it and if i do its usually on accident

[mossy fox]

not washed (unless someone steals the r1 overnight)

[edgy widget]

na you're EU, you'll be fine

[analog kite]

based

[limber oar]

loool

[coarse nest]

That moment BT and roar are only buttons castable and your brain fogs since you rarely press either

[edgy widget]

that only happens when I get R1s as NA, they always get beat when EU wakes up

[cobalt relic]

depression gg

5 invites 18+ all wipes

ggwp

[compact knot]

well its like, you rampage and see you cant execute, cant raging blow and cant rampage, but then right after you rampage a raging blow resets but you cant react or predict it and then push bloodthirst or troar and you want to wipe

heard

[coarse nest]

Real

[stoic echo]

https://tenor.com/view/malaysias-largest-network-digi-jimba-digilah-digi-jimba-fest-tanpa-batasan-gif-15351423

[coarse nest]

Happens all the time to me too

[compact knot]

and then you want to wipe

ok BM hunter arc starts

time to hit 10m dps on fractillus for fun

or nexus king

[coarse nest]

About to do the same alt

[analog kite]

https://tenor.com/view/don-quixote-gif-15902648883066481487

[coarse nest]

Literally set the keybinds up last night

Lmao

All 4 of them

[compact knot]

i went and got all my pets and keybinds

ive heard the aqiri pets are bis cause they just have extra 30% mvoement speed

over other pets

[young swan]

[coarse nest]

I like the hornet from shadowlands

Thing is sick

[edgy widget]

depends on the context

• in single target, you keep Bladestorm on cooldown unless there's a mechanical reason to hold it. Unless Reck/Avatar are only a few seconds away (<10) from coming off CD anyway, you shouldn't wait to press it. Likewise, Bladestorm's cooldown is short enough that you shouldn't wait for Bladestorm before you press Reck/Avatar - it will likely come back off cooldown during those buffs anyway
• in multitarget raid fights like Soulbinder or Forgeweaver, you usually want to save Bladestorm so that it will hit those extra targets. Bladestorm has a deceptively low cooldown though, so you can often use it more than you think and still have it back off cooldown in time for AoE
• in Mythic+, you really want to time Bladestorm for each fresh pack of mobs, so that it can apply Overwhelmed and allow you to spam Raging Blow. You typically want to save Reck/Avatar for fresh packs too though, so they'll end up getting used together regardless

[analog kite]

Hi Archi

[sinful spoke]

@grok give me a tldr

[silent root]

Amazing thankyou, first day on warr, enjoying atm, just struggling on fast whirwild then blow 4 spells refresh, besides that I think im doing okay 🙂

[sinful spoke]

i aint reading allat

[edgy widget]

did you see my fractilus the other day? 22 manual BT and WW casts (not including BT from WW)

[analog kite]

Single Target: Use Bladestorm on cooldown unless Reck/Avatar are coming up in <10s. Don't delay Reck/Avatar for Bladestorm.

Raid AoE (e.g. Soulbinder/Forgeweaver): Hold Bladestorm to hit adds, but its short CD means you can often use it more than you think.

Mythic+: Time Bladestorm for each new mob pack to apply Overwhelmed and boost Raging Blow uptime. Reck/Avatar are typically used with it anyway.

[sinful spoke]

makes sense

[limber oar]

Nah thats cursed af

You shouldve fked up the walls to reset for better rng

“Accidently”

[fallen sedge]

hold on, roar is "never press" too, like bt?

[limber oar]

Correct in ST

[edgy widget]

it's a simple rotation, but there can be a lot to keep track of

• there are various Weakauras to help watch Whirlwind stacks, but I also just count in my head - it always cleaves four GCDs (not including Roar/Bladestorm), so just one -> two -> three -> four as you spam RB/Rampage will get you most of the way there

[limber oar]

Lower prio than BT

[coarse nest]

Hollyy

I’m guilty ngl

That WA starts yapping and my brain goes afk spam 123

Lmao

[olive wraith]

Can you tldr the tldr

[lean nacelle]

anyone have a decent battleshout WA that shows in and out of combat if someone doesn't have it?

[edgy widget]

real TLDR

• press your buttons

[lapis shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/mvp-gif-24698263

[analog kite]

Super TLDR:

ST: Use Bladestorm on CD unless Reck/Avatar are <10s away.

Raid AoE: Save for adds, but don’t over-hold it.

Mythic+: Use on pull for Overwhelmed + burst; line up with Reck/Avatar.

[remote bobcat]

im so fucking unlucky i dont die early all of nexus king prog i play like the fucking goat i am sometimes, actual giga gameplay on this one boss during all of prog and what happens on kill try? I get nuked by star spawn thing for 9million cuz i was only half hp cuz my heal decided to off himself or smth and i used up all defensives except heal pot which i forgot i had cuz i spammed every other defensive button, i wanna kms

[edgy widget]

• press your buttons
• don't not press your buttons

[olive wraith]

Even more tldr!

[coarse nest]

Zugulations 2:1

[olive wraith]

Perfection

[analog kite]

ST: Bladestorm on CD.

AoE/Raid: Hold for adds.

Mythic+: Use on pull.

[sinful spoke]

@grok lo puedes traducir a español

[edgy widget]

no

[sinful spoke]

:/

[olive wraith]

El buttons

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si

[sinful spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-what-oh-shit-for-real-i-see-gif-8120501

[coarse nest]

Archi please make that the WoWhead rotation guide for one day (April fools)

That would be so damn funny

[analog kite]

When a Warrior asks, "Should I Bladestorm now?" Archimtiros appears in spectral form, sighs audibly, and answers: "Yes... unless Reck’s up in 8 seconds, obviously."

We've found that 93% of Warrior players were just waiting for Archimtiros to tell them what to press. This passive now makes it official. You're welcome.

[olive wraith]

Unless in keys tbf

[fallen sedge]

counting to 4? i am a warrior I can't count that high 😭 /j

[hollow leaf]

2 screams lets go

[rocky locust]

How do you guys like to sim for AoE? I keep hearing that Dungeon Slice is the wrong way to go. But how else could I evaluate a trinket for AoE?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wzFvtk8k2tg4Hrm2BqFKbF

[analog kite]

use your fingers and toes

[edgy widget]

you only need one finger to press RB and Rampage

[fallen sedge]

its difficult :cccc

[hollow leaf]

first day in the new guild and we're having an emotional moment over a member of 10 years leaving

[analog kite]

lul

[modest condor]

at least you didnt join the guild a day before they disband

[olive wraith]

I think most just st sim

If you’re checking trinks maybe do 8-10targets for 40-60s

[hollow leaf]

we got mythic screams

[analog kite]

720 ilvl is needed for myth dinar pcs?

[hollow leaf]

no just needed for the gilded discount

[edgy widget]

no, it just unlocks discounted upgrades for alts and such

[analog kite]

ah i see, i wonder what avg ilvl is needed for myth dinr pcs this season

[olive wraith]

Have they announced how dinars are being treated yet?

[edgy widget]

there isn't any ilvl requirement, Dinar isn't available until sometime after the launch of 11.2.5 on Oct 7th

• like last season, you'll earn dinar through weekly quests
• heroic level equipment will be purchaseable for everyone, but you'll need to have killed the associated boss on M in order to buy the Mythic version of the item

so if you want Heroic Screams, you can just buy it right away
but if you want Mythic cantrip boots, you'll have to have killed Soul Hunters on Mythic difficulty

They haven't said what the Mythic+ requirement will be yet, but I imagine it'll be like all +12s or something

[hollow leaf]

this is what it looks like when you walk out of melee and stand afk for half the fight to save the timers

[edgy widget]

yeah, current Demi strats are shit for parsing

[olive wraith]

M+ was only trinks last season I think?

[rocky locust]

Save the timers?

[edgy widget]

we're looking at like a 20s wait atm 💤

[limber oar]

Clearly Seen didnt watch Critcake’s newest vid (dropping in 2 hours)

[hollow leaf]

you need to phase at certain timers so that you have cooldowns ready

[edgy widget]

trinkets and cantrip items yeah, but they haven't said explicitly what will be available this time around

[hollow leaf]

we even skipped an orb on both platforms because it dies too fast

[olive wraith]

Would be cool if we could buy hm loot table

[edgy widget]

I doubt it'll be all drops

probably just trinkets and special effect gear

[analog kite]

how much of an upgrade are reshii boots

[rocky locust]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uaaydLtH9d7a4dpaKtJncK
This can't be right.

[remote bobcat]

a shitton, sim it to know for sure

going from nm reshi boots to myth reshi boots is like 80k dps for me

but idk no cantrip to cantrip dps

[analog kite]

i fooked up and crafted boots

[olive wraith]

Why?

[rocky locust]

1. I've never heard anyone say to sim 8-10 targets for 40-60s.
2. Signet is on a 2m CD.
3. 18m DPS is bazzonkers

[olive wraith]

It’s 1 pull in a key

[whole yacht]

40 seconds. 8 targets? Sounds very reasonable to me

[rocky locust]

Are you being serious?

[olive wraith]

There’s no way to accurately simulate an entire dungeon

18m isn’t that extraordinary for some big pulls

Also double check if you have raid buffs toggled off

[rocky locust]

I just had Battle Shout toggled on.

[analog kite]

what items are you guys putting duskweave on?

[olive wraith]

Then seems solid

[olive wraith]

Wrist belt

[analog kite]

worth losing the delve belt for it though?

[olive wraith]

It simmed higher so I’d say so

[analog kite]

sounds good to me

[olive wraith]

What exactly are you checking btw

[rocky locust]

You're asking why I'm running this sim? I want to find out which of my trinkets are best for Mythic+.

[olive wraith]

So your checking your best trinks

What you got?

[rocky locust]

Ticking Sack of Horror has Avoidance for what it's worth.

[olive wraith]

Oof some tough trinks

Probably just take aranocore and pacemaker

[limber oar]

On first pull of a dungeon ive done more than 25m dps

Its really not unimaginable

And i guarantee some people here have done more

[olive wraith]

I’m thinking maybe they thought that was gonna be like the overall

[limber oar]

Oh

Fk no

[olive wraith]

Idk though

[limber oar]

Im right around ~9.9m on overall for most dungeons

[coarse nest]

Didn’t baze hit a 45m first pull or some shit

[limber oar]

But i am a terrible player

[finite steeple]

Only trinket worth taking here is Arcanocore