fury

[olive wraith]

Send em

Here or in #1347646810457636974

[limber oar]

Quitter

Soul hunters very fun tbh

I love the chaos

[cobalt relic]

tbh it aint that bad as melee

I just cba doing it

headache and all

rather do nexus and dimensius

[undone flower]

i'm gonna try massacre gaming

[warm crag]

ew

[young swan]

why

its literally useless

😭

[cobalt relic]

[undone flower]

reclear cshb for it, idc

i'll execute on cd

[vagrant mortar]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1417953905328914523

[hallow sphinx]

let him cook

[olive wraith]

Doesn’t look too bad

You does 4 times so that doesn’t help

Reap is lower than rb so that typically means you entered a few pulls without having bs up

[gleaming siren]

Since when has this been in the FAQ

[warm crag]

TRUE1

[gleaming siren]

@clever belfry log in

[undone flower]

massacre gaming ?

[clever belfry]

for what

[gleaming siren]

for your Eye of Kezan

[vagrant mortar]

What is bs

[chilly fractal]

Bladestorm

[vagrant mortar]

Ah ye

[clever belfry]

i have it on both characters

[clever belfry]

meow

this is me

[cobalt relic]

gg

[olive wraith]

Try holding any bs after the first one in a pull just to have it ready for the pull after. See how that changes your overalls

[dusk ledge]

Anyone able to logreview alittle for me mby? 🙂

[undone flower]

execute GAMING ?

[sacred oak]

just got into fury, one thing that I think I understood correctly but want to make sure
as slayer, in the opener you press raging blow after your bladestorm to fuel slaughtering strikes for your second rampage and overcap resources while doing it
this also applies to outside of the opener as well? And if I understand correctly if you get lucky resets you would spam raging blow as long as you can during enrage, however if you would drop enrage that's when you press rampage no matter what? Also you only do this after bladestorm for the added value of 4set making raging blow proc more reap the storm?

[olive wraith]

Spamming rb after bs is just because of the talent “brutal finish”

[smoky vale]

@hallow sphinx hi

[sacred oak]

oh man, andi thought so long and hard about it. aight

[olive wraith]

Send it here or #1347646810457636974

[olive wraith]

lol no worries don’t expect someone that’s new to the spec to know every single talent right away

[vague copper]

I feel like my Reap the Storm allways is low, Try to hold BS for next pull and so on and still it look like this from time to time.. (10 Eco)

[hollow leaf]

depends on dungeon but eco dome is for sure a big pad dungeon

[modest condor]

+10 pretty low key, enemies die quickly so may not get enough chance to pad reap numbers

[charred flint]

is this good for dawn

[cobalt relic]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1266019851743399996.gif?size=64&animated=true&name=chatting

[olive wraith]

No should be a morbillion at least

[charred flint]

my 16 dawn turned into eco

17

freebie right

[olive wraith]

Eco does feel pretty comfy

[vague copper]

Just noticed that in all my logged eco my RB is higher then reap..

[charred flint]

lot of jumping adds

reap doesnt do a lot if targets are spread

[vagrant mortar]

o7

Kinda like fote on surv then, I figured it wasn't making much of a difference just because of how fast bs comes back up

[olive wraith]

I know nothing about surv

[velvet loom]

Did they make a change to @player in macros? My Ravager macro isnt firing anymore

[olive wraith]

But the most common mistake is people sending more than 1 bs into a pack. And not having it for start of next pull

[vagrant mortar]

Just a big aoe 45 sec CD you try not to use when a packs dying so you have it on pull for the next

Same idea

[olive wraith]

Well the damage isn’t from the bs. Idk how that surv interaction works

But we mainly want bs to apply overwhelmed

[drifting token]

yeah but surv's entire aoe rotation doesn't depend on fote applying a debuff like BS

[round moth]

Can anyone tell me if dungeonslice sim is supported for fury? If not what should I sim for dungeon dps?

[olive wraith]

I usually sim st

If I’m picking through trinks I’ll do a 8t or 10t sim for a min

[blazing marsh]

Is it possible to maintain 100% uptime on Enrage? If not, is there a target range for uptime?

[round moth]

ty!

[olive wraith]

Not possible

Probably anything over 80%

[bronze narwhal]

would it be viable to use 2x 720 1h weapons over a 710 2h and a 704 2h?

[hardy vault]

Hey ! Any tips for Soul MM ? With slayer build, should i rampage when > 115 rage or spam rb if enraged ?

[olive wraith]

Sim it but unlikely

Costs 2 talent points

[plush zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/let-him-cook-cook-cookin-big-wok-gif-83777501272147017

[limber oar]

Wait so @coarse nest was ur vault blessed or ass

[olive wraith]

Buddy is super unlucky to only have 1 hero wep

[coarse nest]

It’s sorta blessed got idol or pants

Likely take idol since pants are easy to get

[sour cloak]

as slayer, is there any reason at all to use bloodthirst anymore?

or do we just use it as filler

[olive wraith]

If you mess up and don’t have bs for pull start

[coarse nest]

I just hate the damn idol channel bro ffff

[olive wraith]

Extra heal during ER

[limber oar]

Nb i got chest/gloves and took gloves after reclear

Was more dmg than chest with the other upgrades i git and the crests i had

[coarse nest]

I got shafted reclear this week they last minute voted for Tuesday night instead of tonight and I was the only one who couldn’t make it

Ffff

All g though

Hopefully get frac chest and I’m big happy

[vagrant mortar]

So what's your general opener in aoe then? Reck/ava > charge > ww ds > bs > RB RB RB rb etc?

[sour cloak]

how does bloodthirst help if bladestorm is on cooldown?

[olive wraith]

In aoe it’s your best way to apply overwhelmed

[coarse nest]

Myth track anything is solid long term really

[limber oar]

Yep

[coarse nest]

Not to shabby

[limber oar]

Cant complain

Havent had to take a socket yet

Tho our loot from raid reclears has been cursed

[coarse nest]

Damn that’s sick you’re up good! I had to take one socket so far

[olive wraith]

What’s ds

[warm crag]

ds nuts

[olive wraith]

Ooooh got me

[vagrant mortar]

Dragon shout or whatever it's called

[sour cloak]

ohh

i see

but i mean we're not gonna be spamming bloodthirst the way we were with s2 tier set right

it doesn't do much now

[olive wraith]

Shout before ww. Ramp after ww

[olive wraith]

It didn’t really do much s2 either tbf

[limber oar]

Plexus hasnt dropped a single chestplate and we have gotten no good trinkets. I only just got myth arcanocore yday

[coarse nest]

I don’t recall a chest plate either tbh lol

Got arcano week 2 here

[rich basin]

Could i have some fury masters (or those who might know what the issue is from) check out my help post ❤️ longer term dps is good but short term is BAD bad

[olive wraith]

It’s not going to be a stat issue

Need more info to help though

[rich basin]

what do you need?

[olive wraith]

At the very least a details ability breakdown of a key. Logs would help

Could explain how you approach each pull

Most common issue is people not having bs ready at the start of the pull. Or pressing bt too much

[sacred oak]

since we just cleave our st on multiple targets, is it fine to just sim single target for aoe situations as well?

just go with highest st and its gonna be alright for m+ basically?

[olive wraith]

Yup

[sacred oak]

lovely

[olive wraith]

Only trinkets will be different

[sacred oak]

yea I thought so, I probably want the idol thingy from hoa or something, for ST my myth track pacemaker and soleahs are better

[olive wraith]

I’d probably take sacbrood over soleah

[sacred oak]

sim says no, i swapped gear from prot and im at something like 25k haste, its too much

[olive wraith]

No antenna yet?

[sacred oak]

lmao

[woven valley]

That’s so much haste

[sour cloak]

do these numbers make sense or am i doing something wrong? (cleave dummies, 7 minutes)

[hollow leaf]

looks fine

[olive wraith]

Low key surprised reap is that high on dummies

[dense fulcrum]

hmmm in ur opinion guys is better idol+antenna or antenna+scream on araz?

i find it so clunky to use idol there idk

[winter shoal]

for parsing probably idol

for progging probably screams

[sour cloak]

so in order to trigger reap the storm i just spam raging blow while enemies have overwhelmed?

is that the whole idea

[dense fulcrum]

ye im doing prog

[olive wraith]

Pretty much

Making sure enrage is up

[sacred oak]

but outside of overwhelmed the idea is also to spam raging blow so

[olive wraith]

Nah if you don’t have any overwhelmed on a trash pull you spam bt

Until you get bs back

[sacred oak]

aight ignore my clueless ass

[olive wraith]

lol no worries

Overwhelmed is our catalyst to doing good aoe

[sour cloak]

do i wanna use execute at all for aoe?

or even single target

[limber oar]

What

[olive wraith]

Single target absolutely

Aoe it’s used to reduce bs cooldown

And also pretty solid damage

[sour cloak]

okay

thanks!

[olive wraith]

People have been pressing it at 3 stacks of mfe

I still follow the wa

[limber oar]

Fury execute dmg this season is nutty

The 100% chance to proc a slayers strike is just a giga feedback loop

Into getting wildly low cd BS

[olive wraith]

Idk if I’d call it nutty

But yes it’s pretty good

[limber oar]

Compared to last season***

[young swan]

compared to any season after the bfa rework

but its more like

fury damage from execute is nutty

[limber oar]

Idk anything about bfa im new blood

[young swan]

i dont like when people just say execute cause then people start thinking about <20%

[drifting token]

wait where is the 100% slayer strike proc chance coming from

[young swan]

2pc

[drifting token]

oh that ok

[smoky vale]

xan where is showingbelly proc chance coming from

[onyx linden]

oh man, i love private logging so much

[olive wraith]

Idk I still don’t think execute does enough for having a tier focused around it. Rb is still too strong

[young swan]

maybe

they shouldve left it at 20% execute dam

instead of nerfing it to 10%

[olive wraith]

Ya for sure

Poor arms too

[clear knoll]

Can someone tell me how when I simmed, it showed the increase it would be if I upgraded it and when I did it, it lowered my overall to lower than what I had before?

[olive wraith]

Also having reap from execute instead of rb would make more sense

[olive wraith]

Did you swap talents or something

[clear knoll]

nope stillthe same

[olive wraith]

How much lower we talking

[clear knoll]

it should've been just about 5 mil and now it's 4,88m

[charred flint]

different gems

enchnts

more than one piece upgraded?

[clear knoll]

yeah plsu I changed some gems as it recommended

I'l run another one just to be sure

[olive wraith]

Changed parameters on accident?

[clear knoll]

maybe

Ok, I found it.

[earnest canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/redblockcustom-man-no-arms-indian-arms-no-arms-man-standing-gif-17755513251794797743

[clear knoll]

it changed one single talent -_-

[olive wraith]

lol rip

[olive wraith]

Coffin meme or bust

[iron portal]

No you

[rough torrent]

execute WA fix dropped 😮

https://wago.io/r8u4tHLRQ

[olive wraith]

Fix?

[willow cradle]

The prior update used to kaching and glow when AJ was gonna run out even if you didn't have an SD proc

[willow cradle]

I just used the version prior to the broken one but nice to know it got fixed and I can get rid of the update wa ping

[lunar steeple]

everyone doing a slightly different build on nexus king

[earnest shuttle]

oh, they fixed what I reported, noice

[fiery tide]

is there some secret tech on fractilus? how are people doing close to 6.5mil dps on that boss

[earnest shuttle]

easy, trinkets

you need strong trinkets, and be lucky the mechanics do not hit you hard

[fast mural]

tbf warrior doesnt even get effected by knockbacks that much

we just leap back in

[earnest shuttle]

boss is a big piñata, so you can concentrate on rotation all the time

yeah...but still you have to let your "body" hit the wall, isn't it?

[rocky locust]

For those of you who have thoroughly tried both Slayer and Mountain Thane in Mythic+ this season, which do you prefer and why?

[fast mural]

slayer cause priority dmg and it doesnt feel as rng cause of thunderblast resets

[earnest shuttle]

[smoky vale]

@compact knot can you hit the dummy with me for a bit agian

[olive wraith]

Slayer cause it’s better

[fiery tide]

idk, im using the same trinkets, but I guess they just get more procs from the look of it

[fast mural]

check kill time aswell

[earnest shuttle]

compare dmg, see the casts

maybe they just get a lot of crits

also, do not compare yourself with the top 100

sometimes top 100 are scuffed (not always)

[fiery tide]

was looking at someone, with the same ilvl, trinkets and time, ,all of our cast where identical dmg the same, just they had more execute casts and reap the storm procs

[fast mural]

classic

[lone plume]

Is there a build without raging blow that is viable? I hate that ability

[fast mural]

i have bad news for you

every single build uses it

ALOT

[olive wraith]

Use thane

It has less rb

[lone plume]

can you skip it completely?

[iron portal]

No

[fast mural]

if you go back in time to DF season 3 you can

[iron portal]

Unless you dont care about your dps

In that case, you can remove it from your bars

[olive wraith]

I mean ya you can ignore it. Add slam to your bars. But you’re gonna have dead gcd

[turbid sparrow]

Why do you hate Raging Blow? It is a pretty bare-bones basic ability. Just does damage, nothing too fancy

[olive wraith]

Cap

It has so many talent interactions. In fact it has too many

[fast mural]

you descriped every fury button

[lone plume]

I have never liked it, i always played annhiliator build back when it was possible

[turbid sparrow]

Thats the talents faults, not the abilities

[silk flume]

Just a quick question about moving pack to pack, typically if everything is up you have enough rage to rampage into prio rotation, if you are moving into a pack with no rage, which doesn’t happen often but sometimes I find myself in that situation, would fresh meat talent be appropriate to use over maybe like the 10 percent damage on bt to go straight from bt to blade storm? Just inquiring

[iron portal]

@lone plume is this your char ?

https://raider.io/characters/eu/outland/Akilez

[lone plume]

yes it is

[iron portal]

Oh so you are that warrior that charged me while doing rare, I killed rare, killed you and managed to put flag on top of you

[plush flower]

yes, arms

[iron portal]

Good to know 🤣

[lone plume]

Then It´s not my charachter

xD

[iron portal]

:))))

I will remember this

[olive wraith]

It shouldn’t have that much talent interaction imo

[turbid sparrow]

Yeah, some talent's could definitely be removed. But then we would likely need more buttons

[olive wraith]

Some people use fresh meat as a qol

[fast mural]

raging blow low key the mortal strike of fury

[turbid sparrow]

Fury uses way fewer buttons than most specs. So talent interactions fill in that space

[lone plume]

I have tried a build now avoiding every single raging blow talent and it seems to be doing kind of okay dps

[iron portal]

I doubt that

[fast mural]

did you say why you hate raging blow yet ?

[tacit zealot]

For m+? I already got arcano and stone idol 710

[iron portal]

But then again, I saw your 1v1 Prowess

So that would answer few things

[lone plume]

thats raging blows fault

i hate it

[fast mural]

i feel like you can get away without raging blow in pvp

[iron portal]

Nah

You really cant

[fast mural]

you have onslaught for stacking rampage things

[olive wraith]

You only swap the 10% bt damage so it’s not bad @silk flume

[iron portal]

That only goes to 3

[fast mural]

[iron portal]

I mean, there is no world where you can come close to current fury damage without RB

The damn 4set is situated around RB

[fast mural]

imagine slayer in m+ wihtout rb

[iron portal]

And thane in pvp is meme

Well, not meme

[olive wraith]

You can move the power off of rb to other buttons though

[fast mural]

isnt it a BG spec ?

[lone plume]

Im trying out gathering clouds instead of thorims might in Thane tree atm so see if it´s comparable

the execute buff feels bad to lose tho

[echo raptor]

is double crafted weapons with ascension a viable thing

[fast mural]

why not play arms if you hate the core ability of fury ?

[charred flint]

well

i guess im done with leveling my key for the week

no thanks the 16 was enough for me

[olive wraith]

Not really. You can use writhing in an armor piece to double your ascension

[iron portal]

Ah megasorde

How well your grew up

[olive wraith]

Title is gonna end up being like 22s

[charred flint]

what u mean i was always goated raz

[iron portal]

Fair

[charred flint]

hahahahaha

i always tell people

and they dont believe

thank god you saved it

[iron portal]

I am in possesion of many things

[charred flint]

Fuck zabeeni man

it was either him or meph who wiped us

100% being behind a 33% is super fun too

[iron portal]

But why arent you top...clearly skill issue

[charred flint]

You still playing, man?

[iron portal]

No longer mythic raider andy

Heroic, curve, m+ mostly again

finishing my 15 resil

[charred flint]

trying to get back into mythic raiding now

found a new guild whos trying to go for ce this tier

still missing my HoA and FG for resil 15 xd

[iron portal]

Screw FG with all my heart

[olive wraith]

If you get a 15 fg let me in

[charred flint]

Yeah FG is rough

Kelp is stupid

the .1% m+ title matters if im horde or ally?

i was looking at r.io and horde is sginficantly easier lol

[lean nacelle]

it's not faction based

[undone flower]

[olive wraith]

Too many nelfs

[charred flint]

god damn

[undone flower]

rip ally HoF

[dry fable]

Why does the sim use Unyielding Nether Prism every 20 sec? Not sure how to change it but it seems very wrong

[modest condor]

because when testing during ptr that's what came out ahead

[dry fable]

I see

[tender forge]

okay guys am i burning 60 guilded on crafting a ring , i have champ track to replace

[lavish pond]

guys, if i want to reset all the gems that i currently use on my gear how can i do it and check what sims better. cause i have a lot Bis items or close enough and my sims dont recommend them,

[undone flower]

if you don't have any other place to spend gilded, i will craft the ring next week if i don't loot one

[tender forge]

i only have hero tier set to upgrade , feel like its maybe better to max them first for main stat

im so torn haha

[undone flower]

i would craft the ring then

if you don't have any myth ring, you will not feel bad because you get one in your next vault

[dusty brook]

when do furys usually change belt? still got the delve belt

[rocky sequoia]

where would i find the setting to get the nameplates not underneath their feet like a degenerate

[olive wraith]

When sims say to

[olive wraith]

What ui even is that

[rocky sequoia]

its a plater profile i copied

[fervent flume]

hi all. im brand new to fury and had a few questions. ive been reading the wowhead guide but there's some things im still not clear on. apologies if this is stickied/answered somewhere but i didn't see them:

1. i don't understand when to use execute. is it just when i have 2 sudden death stacks? or do i also use it on anything 20% or below in hp? in both aoe and st?
2. for aoe pulls, assuming i don't have tier, and don't have bladestorm up, do i have the general idea right here? keep enrage buff and whirlwind buff up always with a rotation of charge > whirlwind > rampage > raging blow spam until either A) enrage is about to drop and/or B) im close to ~115 rage? and whirlwind once the 4 stacks of its buff drops, go back to RB spam
3. not understanding when to bloodthirst. is it just a filler ability? i thought with this talent reap the storm i'd wanna use it on CD in aoe situations but i believe wowhead guide said with tier it becomes low prio
4. i need help cleaning my weak auras. this is too many buffs for me to track. can I remove any of these (incl. opportunist) to clean this up?

i have a screenshot to share, but looks like i dont have permission to share

[olive wraith]

You have 0 tier pieces?

[fervent flume]

yes, fresh 80, learning the class altogether

[smoky vale]

you execute at 2 sd, sd falling, 2 or more mfe, or jug falling

[hallow sphinx]

I execute whenever I please

[smoky vale]

you never bt

[smoky vale]

meow

[fervent flume]

sorry by sd falling you mean if sudden death of any stack count is about to expire? and what is "jug" falling?

[olive wraith]

We use a wa to tell us when to execute. The conditions are what “reap the storm 57” said. As far as blood thirst. Without tier you’ll spam it on cr when there’s 6 or more targets

[smoky vale]

ashen juggernaut

its a buff you want to never fall off

[fervent flume]

ok thanks! is this the WA in the wowhead guide? and is it comprehensive or do you still need to assess stack counts/buffs before you execute?

[tacit zealot]

Guys any input on what i should pick from vault?

[fervent flume]

ok thank you

[fiery moth]

How important is offhand weap for dps? I’m a prot main but want to goof on fury in raids. Can craft a 720 weap currently but have no other offhand

[smoky vale]

#1237307732705415228 message

[olive wraith]

It plays an audio cue to let you know you should press it. It’s safe to follow the cue. It should be in the wowhead guide or in #dps-faq wa section

[smoky vale]

it is a lot at the moment because most of your damage is rb

[fervent flume]

thank you guys

[smoky vale]

but if tou dont have another one it will not be the difference

[bitter palm]

run stat weights cro

[hallow sphinx]

w kronk

[plush zephyr]

w kronk 2

[fervent flume]

this is the screenshot i was gonna share. can i get any of this off? or do i need t o track all of this? its just an overwhelming amount of clutter for me., and this doesnt even include ashen or opportunist buff showing up

[remote bobcat]

and this is why premade weakaura packs are complete dogshit

lmao

[plush zephyr]

You can craft a blue offhand if you’re really bad off. Will be fine with a 720 on hand and trash off hand till you get something better.

[fervent flume]

i know im trying to tweak ;_;

[remote bobcat]

you dont need slaughtering strikes, u dont need frenzy, you dont need victory rush buff or whatever

[olive wraith]

Which pack is this lol

[fervent flume]

thank you

[proper veldt]

can some big brained guy explain to me when are we pressing execute during execute phase?

[jade cipher]

in st stick to weak aura

for execute

[fervent flume]

this is the afenar pack with some buff trackers i added (the ones with yellow font) bc i didnt know if i need to monitor them (slaughtering, whirlwind for ex)

[proper veldt]

even in execute we just ignore execute and only press it when the weaaura shows?

[charred flint]

well ims tupid

been spamming HoA 15

and i already had it

its priory i dont

LMAO

[olive wraith]

In aoe. Stick to wa

[plush zephyr]

yes

[olive wraith]

In execute phase you can hit at 1 mfe

[proper veldt]

what does "can" mean

should and can are 2 different things

[remote bobcat]

exe + 1 mfe > raging blow in exe range

Ok

[proper veldt]

ok , now the next question, what is the priority between the weakaura poping up and rampage?

[plush zephyr]

“Execute Phase
Since Execute has a cooldown, it merely adds to the rotation rather than changing it completely or replacing other buttons the way it does for Arms. Although Execute itself is not weak, it does not trigger as many effects as other abilities, making it a low priority filler without Slayer Marked for Execution applied to the target.”

[olive wraith]

These are basic rotation questions lol

Check wowhead prio

[proper veldt]

i am unable to extrapolate form written information because i am stupid i apologize

[jade cipher]

the weak aura itself is pretty frequent and you will be in the same dps treshhold in execute phase if oyu just listen to weak aura

[remote bobcat]

so instead you ask people for written information

[proper veldt]

absolutely i ask people for it

[olive wraith]

Look pictures

[remote bobcat]

rampage to enrage > exe weakaura > rampage

is the simple way of putting it

[uneven ice]

can someone help: i want to sim races

[remote bobcat]

it means that as long as ur enraged and the exe weakaura pops up ur pressing execute and that will be very close to optimal

[jade cipher]

i mean when i finish bladestorm and i am rage capped, although it feels like shit, i use 2x raging blow then weak aura then rampage

my damage is decent

[remote bobcat]

there are some giga optimzations behind it but thats w/e

[olive wraith]

Bloodmallet has it

[uneven ice]

i want to sim myself 😉

[olive wraith]

Spoiler. It’s not worth picking race for dps

[proper veldt]

yeah ok so it feels like shit but its correct

gotcha mate

i will do the right thing

[jade cipher]

go nightelf with shadowmeld

and live a happy warrior life forever

[proper veldt]

amen to that

[jade cipher]

over the years in so many instances i meld a mechanic and i stay and freely dps , this gives me more dps than any other racial

[remote bobcat]

nah if you play any Elf as your warrior race

sry ur just a basic bitch

absolute_cinema

no flavor

[olive wraith]

Go human

[hardy nest]

undead racial buff when

[jade cipher]

nightelf in m+ is addictive af

[olive wraith]

Human the best

[remote bobcat]

human is almost as bad as elves ngl

[proper veldt]

keep dying to aggro / casts / shoots / mechanics and be unable to skip imma take the bitch title no problem

[remote bobcat]

bro if ur tauren i respect u, if ur goblin i respect u, if ur worgen, orc, anything, i respect u

[olive wraith]

But it’s a dps boost and usually racial gets you out of some mechanic

[remote bobcat]

if u play elf? human?

basic.

[jade cipher]

i even love how nightelf looks

[olive wraith]

Or buy the pot

[plush zephyr]

critcake basic bitch confirmed

[remote bobcat]

yes.

[proper veldt]

its on a 5 min cd , are you gonna save pot in case you need to meld skip something after? never , the pot is for tanks , you aint never pressing that as dps

[remote bobcat]

but accepts it

he accepts it*

he embraces it even

[plush zephyr]

He’s the bestest of basic bitches:)

[olive wraith]

How often are you melding

[proper veldt]

wym , all the time

[plush zephyr]

Bro you have to be a real degen to make meld work. I piss pug tanks off/stress them out quite often.

[proper veldt]

meld is a 2 min cd

[olive wraith]

Bro is melding 20 times a key

Wth

[proper veldt]

you can meld a ton of stuff

[alpine palm]

Should I be using rampage before enrage expires or is it OK to spam RB until enrage expires then rampage

[jade cipher]

i can confirm melding a ton of stuff, get a targeted spell weak aura and enjoy night elf

[proper veldt]

exactly

[jade cipher]

you ideally dont want to press anything out enrage aside from rampage

[plush zephyr]

Orc/Void elf/dwarf imo 90% of the time are better than nelf for like 90% of the player base

[alpine palm]

ya but am I missing damage by letting enrage expire? Eg first hit of rampage isn't buffed if expired

[proper veldt]

absolutely not

[olive wraith]

Human sims higher than orc no?

[olive wraith]

Ramp enrages itself before damage

[alpine palm]

thank you

[proper veldt]

how is doing 0.2% more damage better than QUALITY OF LIFE for 90% of players , that makes no sense

[plush zephyr]

Or human or troll whatever. Lots of stuff better than nelf for a lot of players

[olive wraith]

Reap does have a delay to proc. So it’s better to ramp a little early

[plush zephyr]

most don’t use meld to justifiably choose it solely for that racial. that’s all I was saying.

[olive wraith]

Majority of player base isn’t spamming meld close to cooldown

[proper veldt]

literally doing world quests , pressing meld into mount is already worth more than anything else if you dont wanna bother killing a mob or being randomly stuck in combat, there is no other racial in the game that can give you the ability to do so many cool things

[alpine palm]

Makes sense. And to stack the 8% haste buff

[jade cipher]

play whatever race you like and vibe with, but dont shit on how practical and useful nightelf is in m+

arent like 99% of warriros nelf in top m+?

[sullen dove]

only play em cuz they're the hottest

[alpine palm]

they do have nice animations

[olive wraith]

Meh. Thats not really the reason. But it’s good

[jade cipher]

i myself went nelf to get invites into galakrond's fall back in s3 df, since then it has been the best racial i ever had

on my ret i dont use tauren stomp like ever

[proper veldt]

i race changed to ne that season too 😄

best decision ever

[mossy fox]

masterrace

[sullen dove]

best racial is human for 2 hearthstones

get bent

big for old world grinding

[plush zephyr]

Vulperas anywhere hearth is better

[jade cipher]

as if i am in hurry to get to dornogal and llose my Fps in front of AH, LOL

[undone flower]

gnome 1% haste > anything

[jade cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/kissn-night-elf-nightelf-kaldorei-warcraft-wow-alshain-alshaïn-gif-26984301

[plush zephyr]

I wanna make a mechagnome warr just cause they look so cursed I have kinda started to love them

[jade cipher]

sometimes i see 5 bolts going on me without reflect and i press meld and then they spread over other targets and i'm like, phew , what an op race

[feral ivy]

going into mythic hutners any tips?

[olive wraith]

Why settle for only haste when humans get all secondaries

[undone flower]

i get moar

[olive wraith]

Why are you pulling 5 casters without enough stops

[jade cipher]

because i pug and most of the stuff is out of my control

[proper veldt]

oh the mental gymnastics are strong with this comment

[jade cipher]

i blast and meld

[plush zephyr]

you’re like. really good at the game. just keep being good.

[olive wraith]

How is that mental gymnastics

[storm birch]

finally 16 dawnbreaker

did some nutty tech of doing a pack while last boss is flying. I was sketched but it was so smooth

[jade cipher]

because anyone who plays warrior in high keys can vouche for how many keys they have timed solely on the power of shadowmeld

[proper veldt]

are you plating with a team of robots that are so good at the game that they never overlap kicks / stops? doubt it

[olive wraith]

That’s a very poor route in any case

[jade cipher]

yeah the damage is scaled with normal dungeon i think, it can have 20 stacks and do no damage

[storm birch]

that's so odd xD

[jade cipher]

thats kinda how dawnbreaker high key is played always

[storm birch]

yea idk how efficient it is compared to other routes but we had like 2 mins left so not horrible but

dmg coulda ben a tad higher too

[proper veldt]

its not a poor route mate , 2 bolts on you will always kill you for example , no reflect up? eta gg > meld > times the key

[jade cipher]

it is efficient because you dont stand around afk for 30 seconds

[storm birch]

that's true

it felt good that's for sure

wich i had monk

woulda been some banger dmg

[lucid plover]

is it armory bug or is there way to get x2 stat on cloak?

[olive wraith]

Ok bud

[tepid cedar]

If this is a bug we need to find who what when how it can be done

[lucid plover]

to report them?

[tepid cedar]

Give me free haste

[lucid plover]

https://tenor.com/view/padme-gif-24474700

[proper veldt]

i will die on the hill that meld is by far the most broken racial in the game and anybody who disagrees does so simply because they havent played with it

[olive wraith]

No one said it was bad lol

[proper veldt]

i am not claiming its good , i am claiming its the best

[earnest canyon]

If someone made me walk up a hill I would die too

[olive wraith]

Okay. But also that doesn’t matter for 99% of the player base

You don’t need to be nelf to time 15s

[lucid plover]

well at least u dont have to play gnome in pvp cause its bis race there

[proper veldt]

by that logic no race matters for 99% of the player base and people should play what they like, there is no reason for you to disagree with me

[jade cipher]

you dont need to, but you will definetly deplete 15s cuz you are not nelf, i even nelf the impale from knights in priory

if you doing 15s you not playing in a perfect team, and by pugging standards, nelf is best

[olive wraith]

Yes there is no reason to play any race

[olive wraith]

You can also deplete for a bunch of other reasons

[jade cipher]

shadowmeld is very useless if you dont know what mechanics you can avoid with it and dont use targeted spells

[tepid cedar]

Void elf is king. Yall tripping 🤣🤣

[olive wraith]

If you think 1 death with brick a 15 idk what to tell you

[proper veldt]

well if it doesnt matter for 99% of the player base then the argument becomes irrelevant for 99% of the playerbase , therefor what we are left with is the 1% and for that 1% night elf is by far the best bet overall

[edgy widget]

insert bellcurve meme here

[warm crag]

if you are in that 1% you are not going to a class discord asking what race you should pick lol

[olive wraith]

Didn’t this convo start cause some1 said horde has hardly any representation in title level

And I literally said nelf too good

[vagrant mortar]

I play worgen and when I die because I didn't have shadowmeld I can dark flight to run back to pack faster 🤡

[tepid cedar]

Not really. I’m in title range all pugging and not one time have I said to my self. Shiitttt I need to become a nelf to do higher keys

[edgy widget]

agonizing over what race to play in a fantasy online rpg is cringe tbh, just play the fuckin game

unless you're trying to do something very specific, it really doesn't matter

[proper veldt]

go night elf and you will immediately start thinking differently

[plush zephyr]

we both said nelf was goated yet we were yelled at for making objective opinions

[olive wraith]

The reason I won’t get title won’t be because I’m human over nelf

It’s cause I’m bad

[warm crag]

you'd think differently if you went night elf

[olive wraith]

[edgy widget]

na he'd probably be worse

[tepid cedar]

If you were nelf you would time 21 s@olive wraith

[edgy widget]

cause then he wouldn't just be bad at war, he'd also be bad at using NE racial

[earnest canyon]

why pick boring human when you can literally be a fucking moocow that walks around on 2 legs

[olive wraith]

Damn

Can someone pay for my race change

[undone flower]

so true

[warm crag]

just be a vulpera in aberrus and have your guild pay for your racechange

[olive wraith]

Some friends were alliance and when I came back I thought cross faction was still a nono

[warm crag]

im definitely not speaking from experience here

[proper veldt]

the point is that you would have a higher chance of doing so , because of the infinitely bigger room for mistakes that you have when you are night elf

[south kayak]

Human just looks the best on plate armor

Simple

[willow cradle]

You can literally do 5000 other things before race changing to improve yourself in keys

[earnest canyon]

thats orc

[plush zephyr]

Wrong. Orc.

[south kayak]

Orc has so many weird things

Large shoulders

Flipping

[undone flower]

red orc > green orc

[subtle nova]

female orc best animations

[south kayak]

Clipping

[tepid cedar]

I wonder if I become a Nelf, I can get my r1s and meld make up for me not having 723 weapon and astral

[plush zephyr]

Along with female nelf and female panda ya

[south kayak]

Rn now I’m 2.5k io, surely going nelf will make me hit 3.5k

[jade cipher]

believe it or not the lower and messier the key, the better nelf becomes , hahah

[undone flower]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-doakes-squint-stare-suspicious-gif-14432154109786838518

[tepid cedar]

I think you would. You would only die 3x vs 4x

[south kayak]

Lmfao

[jade cipher]

staying alive is the biggest dps gain

[olive wraith]

I’m ~3.2k if I swap do I get 4.2

[plush zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/erik-king-james-doakes-fuck-you-gif-14291910882420722489

[south kayak]

Having watched Dexter a log time ago and seeing all these memes come out now is wild

[undone flower]

i never saw dexter

[south kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/james-doakes-doakes-curious-suspicious-questioning-gif-14390669560130901665

[south kayak]

Do it now

[plush zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-series-dexter-debra-morgan-jennifer-carpenter-gif-10465268803731224653

[warm crag]

yes noob

[undone flower]

it's been years i have not watch a serie

[olive wraith]

Damn

Guess I gotta swap

Head down to promotions im starting a go fund me

[tepid cedar]

Rumor has it, walli going to liquid bc he went nelf

[south kayak]

Damn

[olive wraith]

Oh shit. I could be on liquid too?

[plush zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-happy-new-year-gif-24516985

[olive wraith]

Is that the legend

🐮 🤠

[south kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/watching-you-observe-seeing-i-saw-you-gif-5740825

[burnt stone]

Hello, brothers
How about this Trinket?
My Simc tells me to get a ring
I'm curious about the reviews of people who have used Trinkets

[undone flower]

idk why, it's the same with animes or mangas, the only thing i'm watching are movies i've already watched 100 times

[olive wraith]

It’s him!

[sullen dove]

good m+ trinket

bad elsewhere

[edgy widget]

it's good burst but idk what else you have

[rigid stirrup]

17 priory so close to the top T_T

[tepid cedar]

That trinket is bis for m+. And has a very high chance to be bis on raid in a few weeks

[south kayak]

I’ve never watched a movie or a tv show more than twice

[edgy widget]

mmm, I don't think it'll be bis in raid, outside of maybe Nexus-King padding

[olive wraith]

Buff fdk

[undone flower]

there are plenty i watch EVERY year at least once

[edgy widget]

well, and soulbinder, but that WCL is getting ready to axe that fight lol

[tepid cedar]

I’m thinking more on things dieing so fast

[hoary agate]

any bother to check prism in sims apl btw, looks kinda cooked sending it randomly af low stacks or with no cds

[edgy widget]

hmm maybe, idk, it's still kinda mid in ST

[warm crag]

hello 🐮 🧑‍🌾 my lord. The trinket is good for m+ but if that is not your priority then you should not pick it

[edgy widget]

Yeah its being overriden by the default trinket logic - I have a fix for it in the works
(it's still a p bad trinket though)

[olive wraith]

What cds

[burnt stone]

Hearing this makes me agonize between ring and Trinkets lol

[sullen dove]

idk the bis for raid thing bit made up

[tepid cedar]

What trink you “ speculating” will be goated archi. I don’t see screams being good with turbo

[sullen dove]

good on like 2-3 pad fights maybe

[south kayak]

I remember when this channel was upset about similar changes to NP but now that we don’t have burst nobody cares lol

[hoary agate]

anything u can dm and I can play with?

[edgy widget]

how much do you care about M+ and which are you more likely to replace?
Keep in mind you'll be able to buy M+ trinkets eventually w/ Dinar

[hoary agate]

reason I ask is its not simming that far behind in my m+ cooks lol and its sending it so badly

[edgy widget]

Different situation - Rasha adds were a normal part of the fight that needed to die, whereas Soulbinder adds are exploitable

[south kayak]

Fair

[edgy widget]

you couldn't just decide to spawn more Rasha adds or anything

[south kayak]

Exploitable how

[tepid cedar]

100 we already talking about not breaking a single canister this week lol

[undone flower]

tickling sac secret OP

[edgy widget]

like this

[south kayak]

Oh

[edgy widget]

purposefully avoid breaking canisters so that adds spawn normally and die much slower (meaning more time to AoE them in one large group instead of very quickly killing 2 neutered adds at a time)

[south kayak]

So you can kill the boss without breaking a canister

[tepid cedar]

If you have the dps… yes

[south kayak]

So basically inflating dps

[edgy widget]

yep

[south kayak]

Yeah that’s cooked

[tepid cedar]

Huge inflating

[edgy widget]

that's exploitative behavior, and ranking becomes very difficult in a landscape where some guilds take advantage of it and others don't

[south kayak]

Why isn’t blizzard changing how it works so it isn’t exploitable like that

[undone flower]

2 healing a fight is an exploitative behavior ?

[tepid cedar]

I just wish all logs were solely out of boss damage

[south kayak]

Instead of having logs not count the Adds

[edgy widget]

I mean, it's a noble idea, but that also has serious problems - like the rasha/queen issue

if the adds have to die, but you only count boss damage, you severely disadvantage players which actually focus on killing them

as well as significantly distort the perception of balance in the process

[south kayak]

If logs only take into account boss damage, most people will never spec aoe or change targets

[tepid cedar]

No. Bc you stil have to heal it all. Your inflating dps bc the boss will die faster which usually means more dps due to damage/time of fight . But that’s not “ ignoring a mechanic to spawn mega adds to cleave it down”

[edgy widget]

WCL generally does it the best way that they can, by cutting out the obviously abusive stuff, without (usually) manipulating normal fight behavior too much

[tepid cedar]

See I would be cool with that as well. Having only must die adds be taken into considerations

[south kayak]

I didn’t like the change for rasha or queen but they did revert that

Right?

[edgy widget]

that's usually how they do it

[tepid cedar]

But how do you determine “must die” part of the fight adds

[edgy widget]

they p much always automatically disclude damage to targets that don't have to die (or don't die during the encounter) - they don't do polls for it, since it's already understood

[undone flower]

okok, i was curious for some opinions, because it is the same as : everyone go ST but the ones who want to parse

[hoary agate]

its also just sending if avatar <85 need to add some stuff like buff stacks >=x & ava rdy or reckless maybe

[south kayak]

Is araz a problem

[edgy widget]

Yes I'm aware; the default logic exists for a reason, it just doesn't play nice with a fucky trinket like netherprism

trinket is still pretty poopy either way though

[edgy widget]

generally damage to targets that aren't actually killed during the fight isn't counted
Likewise, damage to any kind of unnecessarily spawnable targets is usually not counted

obviously case by case basis since different fights work differently, but that's the gist

[undone flower]

like some loomithar tangles are excluded since the release

[dusty cove]

What is a reasonable uptime for antenna ?

[edgy widget]

yeah loomi tangles are a good example

[undone flower]

or dimmy p2 cross adds too i guess they are excluded but the one you kill

[olive wraith]

Someone told me 30% ish

[tepid cedar]

Yea I’ve seen a. Few comments saying 20-30% Miss is the sweet spot

[olive wraith]

For the buff not sims

[tepid cedar]

Ahh

[undone flower]

i've seen plenty of people who said around 30% yes

[smoky vale]

boom

[dusty cove]

Ah fair, it dosent sim great for me. Sacbrood simming higher

[olive wraith]

Do you have a lot of crit?

Or low haste

[dusty cove]

Low crit and haste is currenly 16K

[edgy widget]

I'm not a big fan of antenna tbh

[dusty cove]

so a bit low

[olive wraith]

Or ilvl discrepancy

[dusty cove]

yeah me neither! I love me some sacbrood

[olive wraith]

I might go back to pace

[undone flower]

fractilus antenna uptime from my reclear

[warm crag]

this certainly means something

[sullen dove]

figure they could simply tell that you only attack 6 complete mobs

[edgy widget]

wym

[sullen dove]

idr if the noncomplete mobs have a diff name

[dusty cove]

Man I pray they add the function of this slayer tierset to our talents, fury feels so good in keys

[edgy widget]

oh, the Soulbinder adds

[sullen dove]

but like they do the thing on loomithar where only the first tangle in each wall killed counts

should be able to only allow first 6 mobs to die to count to logs

big mobs

in each set

[edgy widget]

idk they might be able to, I'm not sure of the logistics

[undone flower]

it's true, they could invalidate the log if you "fail" the mechanic, but it punishes people who actually fails it

[sullen tendon]

Its part of the fight to kill all the adds though

it doesnt matter if you do mechanics or not they all spawn

[edgy widget]

Skies is still technically strongest even ~3m encounters, though it might not be completely practical on all of them; next best for raid is probably Ticking Sack

by then you'll be able to buy w/e trinket you want w/ dinar though

[undone flower]

I did 1 reclear with ticking sac, I was instantly suspicious with it

I really want it in mythic now

[high basin]

i think screams is the play for dimensius

antenna is going to be super cringe in p3

[olive wraith]

Ew raid talk

[undone flower]

If I had the choice, I would play arcano/ticking or screams/ticking on dimmy

[warm crag]

just play screams the p1 stacks transfer to p3

[undone flower]

Yeah most likely screams, will depend on my loot situation when I’m on it

[chilly fractal]

I’m running Arcano ticking

[tepid cedar]

Yea I said that week 1 lol it procs so much

[undone flower]

I might be still on dimmy prog when turbo boost hit

Decision decision on the dinar

[chilly fractal]

@tepid cedar did you have a good vault, brother?

[tepid cedar]

No and yes. Got arcana

Wild that’s good for me lol surely this week raid drops soemthinggggg

[undone flower]

I got arcano 714 in the vault but ofc it dropped for the first time when I did plexus, so it is socket week

[chilly fractal]

We’re working on Soul Hunters tonight… only way I get boots is if double plate drop

Would be nice if we saw some in vaults but the only person that saw them was our Brewmaster lol

[undone flower]

So… I did plexus, loom and fractilus with massacre

I can’t tell if my parses are bc ilvl or bc massacre

[edgy widget]

well massacre doesn't do anything, so probably not that

[static rock]

Would you guys say that idol and sacbrood is the best mythic+ trinket combo?

[undone flower]

I pressed execute over RB

[edgy widget]

RB does more damage than Execute, as well as more effects

[undone flower]

Still funny to see execute over rampage

It is sometime, but it was constant this week

[edgy widget]

Exe can average higher because of more crits, but you also gotta factor Slaughtering dam

[tepid cedar]

Nice we had a 5% wipe last week but we couldent raid Sunday to finish it. It dies Friday. I was fkn thumping was almost at 11 mil

What was in your vault @chilly fractal

[undone flower]

The average damage of execute is almost twice the amount of rb

I need to math the reap procs

[frigid rivet]

is dungeon slide sims decent for fury or should we just parse between single/munti-target patchwork?

[olive wraith]

Most just do a st sim

And use brain/opinions for trinks

[feral egret]

What build would you guys recommend and macros, for maximizing SBA in raid tonight?

[olive wraith]

What’s sba?

[covert coyote]

soul binder whats his name?

[olive wraith]

@feral egret

Oh god you probably right

I think people go slayer now

Just the exe wa

[chilly fractal]

Frac pants I'll cata next week

[undone flower]

Yes, soulbinder is slayer

[covert coyote]

Yeah probably slayer, save roar for adds and try to farm CDR for BS when you know an add set is coming. I wouldn't hold for too long though since adds probably melt before you even get a reap proc on em

[chilly fractal]

I only really need boots now... Antenna too but eh... I can always buy that eventually

I guess can buy boots too eventually

[undone flower]

Maybe not roar on the canister break adds

But in the fiesta yes

[olive wraith]

Ya they instantly die

Probably won’t even get full bleed off

[feral egret]

Sorry, I am playing slayer but want to maximize talents that it will cast. Many dps in my raid don't believe it can do better than them. So I'm looking to prove it tonight

[covert coyote]

I usually send it on first set and make sure to have it on final big set

[chilly fractal]

pretty much in my vault I just want to see the boots or Myth High Nerubian or Radiant Necromancer

or I'll just buy a ring at some point

[undone flower]

You bladestorm + switch target, spam rb and rampage soulbinder just before they die

[earnest canyon]

Sexy Bastard Andrew

[olive wraith]

Is bastard even a relevant term these days

How many children grow up without fathers

[compact knot]

36.1% antenna uptime in a key

this trinket OWNS

[covert coyote]

does anyone ever roar while charging into a fight like soulbinder just to get the use while you're mid charge? or better to save for the inevitable bad rng WW filler replacement

[high basin]

i do that all the time

[solid lily]

how far behind is 1h

[undone flower]

In France it is still relevant, but lost most of parent affiliation sense

[compact knot]

70% dps loss

[olive wraith]

10% ish

[earnest canyon]

You bloody bastard guy.....it absolute is....i'll link it in #off-topic

[feral egret]

Any other insights?

[solid lily]

u fucking clowns i have like either last ssn weapons or max ilvl prot 1h

[compact knot]

?

[solid lily]

cant be 70%

[compact knot]

i was joking

sorry uncle

[solid lily]

go back to league

[hoary agate]

Yea just quick 5 mins messing, maybe it's poopy but it's undersimming by alot I was just playing with stack uptime and sending around reckless/ava potentially some more cooking with maybe execute sending/juggar stacks too? 0.7% with a basic cook

[olive wraith]

Sim it

Big ilvl increase your 1h probably better

[solid lily]

useless people here

[olive wraith]

Bro idk what ilvl wep you have

Lmao

[chilly fractal]

Yo Unc

It's a massive damage loss

at equal ilvl it's even massive

[olive wraith]

Told you around 10% but that’s equal Ilv

How do I know what you’re working with

[chilly fractal]

you have to sub a talent point out and put it into SMF at all times

[olive wraith]

Asks question. People answer “useless” lmao

[compact knot]

get anwser =- call people useless

[olive wraith]

Tbf you did troll him

[chilly fractal]

You're going to need to sim though to get an eye at the difference you will experience

[compact knot]

i hate that question

sorry

[edgy widget]

Yeah I messed with it a lot trying to optimize Demi P3 a few weeks ago, it's usable and may have some tech for very specifically timed M+ pulls too

[keen goblet]

hey i got this in my weekly is this good?

[olive wraith]

No, give it to me

[chilly fractal]

Put a ticket into Blizzard and say it was meant to go to Mobbo

[spare steppe]

what's going on here?

[undone flower]

Good vendor sell potential

[spare steppe]

was looking if the free runed crest had any value, both trinkets are 710

[dusty cove]

God I hope this tier set becomes a talent or something man, so mcuh fun

[olive wraith]

Both hero trees are a blast

[undone flower]

I hope at least 2p stays

[chilly fractal]

trinket has a lot of vers

could be you have a shit load of haste and it's trying to just get rid of your Sacbrood

would be better if you linked the log

sim*

[spare steppe]

I have 11k vers 🙁

[chilly fractal]

link you sim

[spare steppe]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aGwyRRNzc8WsLgp8hraFey

[chilly fractal]

you sim'd 5 targets

[spare steppe]

legit curious, not considering it

[chilly fractal]

Screams is a ST trinket

[spare steppe]

jfc

thank you

was so confused

ok all is right in the world, back to a -1% downgrade

[chilly fractal]

🙂

[hoary agate]

cooked a little more @edgy widget but I am no expert

[olive wraith]

Bro is doing so much work to optimize sims for a bad trink

I respect it

[dusty cove]

yeah! I mean the tier set thing though, with the extra proces of reap the storm. Actually fixes out target cap

[edgy widget]

I'm going into raid, but feel free to dm me a link when you finish so I can compare to mine, and push an update tonight/tomorrow

[dusty cove]

good soloution

[hoary agate]

I am trying to optimise it to reflect a true value, regardless of if its bis or not

if you cant get an antenna lets say, this could be better over a different trinket for example

the bot is as only as good as the cook

[fervent flume]

oh btw wanted to say thanks again for everyones help, been to a lot of class discords where people are assholes to newcomers to a spec

[olive wraith]

Is it any better than warpclaw or ticking sac though

[olive wraith]

You came at a good time then. Some people can be assholes

[edgy widget]

that's why you call them out and ban them

[zinc remnant]

Guys, do we only use bloodthirst when we have no other skill to use? (Raging blow, rampage or execute)
Considering i play m+

[fervent flume]

hey ill take it

[olive wraith]

Yes? I think I don’t understand your questions because pressing something is almost always better than pressing nothing

[silk wharf]

Essentially. Use it while cleaving if you werent able to open with bladestorm to build up overwhelmed through reap.

[edgy widget]

Yes, Bloodthirst is basically your last priority
except if you go into a fresh pack without Bladestorm available, in which case it's better to prioritize Execute & BT until you do

[zinc remnant]

hmmm nice, ty guys 🙂

[fleet wave]

do we sim antenna a certain way?

more specifically uptime because realistically 0% miss is impossible

[tiny iris]

Hey ya'll thinking of getting back on the warrior, am I seeing this right the rotation looks exactly the same from last season?

[winter shoal]

It's similar yeah

[radiant spindle]

whats best way to sim fury?

[winter shoal]

More prio on execute with certain conditions, less prio on BT in aoe

[tiny iris]

okay cool, should make for an easy transition then

[winter shoal]

@limber oar twinning

[spare steppe]

does it matter if your OH and MH have the same stat enchant? aka oathsworn tenacity

[winter shoal]

Only if the sim says it does

[radiant spindle]

What do we sim fury warrior as patch work 5 boss 1.5m?

[silk wharf]

No, unlike in the past where duplicate enchants might have had negative interactions, that isn't a thing anymore. But, as he said, whatever the sim says. There are just too many moving parts now to make generalized statements.

[olive wraith]

For aoe?

[winter shoal]

Usually people will do 1t 5min and/or 5t 5m

[olive wraith]

Like Keys

[radiant spindle]

keys

yah mb

[olive wraith]

Mostly I do st

But if I’m checking something specific I’ll do 8 or 10t for 45s-1min

[spare steppe]

mechanically though what does it do? sim says its fine just was curious

[winter shoal]

No clue, I play with different ones but I assume Archi/Arma/whoever implemented it in simc did the testing

[undone flower]

Archi Im dumb I forgot I’m supposed to execute>rb in execute phase with 1 mfe, me executing at none will not be a huge variable

[olive wraith]

Yes

1mfe

[dim stag]

is that a decent damage profile or am I lacking somewhere ? (12 dawn )

[olive wraith]

Looks ok

Maybe a little light on execute

[undone flower]

But it felt good to use massacre, even tho it was not a 100% gain

[olive wraith]

I mean you probably gain some sub 35%

But probably not enough

[undone flower]

And cshb isn’t that crazy

But would just be insignificant change either way I imagine

[olive wraith]

I mean cshb is like 1.5% now?

[remote rover]

fury aoe rotation is just whirlwind and raging blow?

[olive wraith]

No

[undone flower]

And execute almost every other gcd under 35% gives some dps, so it wouldn’t matter that much / be pretty close

[olive wraith]

You also lose damage from rb/ramp though. So 🤷

[thick fossil]

Soul hunters, complete vomit inducing fight.

[undone flower]

If I’m supposed to press execute at 1 mfe (which is almost on cd basically), I don’t think the 2 buttons are that far off / rb and execute

Human error variance far off

[olive wraith]

Rb does other things though

Ss/reap

[undone flower]

Execute hits really hard, but losing juggernaut is worst outcome of pressing at 1 outside of execute phase, I wish I knew how to do apl / sim science

[pure quail]

question. do i trust the Sim or trust my BIS list. just got Hero Pacemaker but the Sim says ill lose 30k dps over a Delve Trinket Soulbreaker's sigil

this is with both the BIS trinkets on wowhead all at 710.

[earnest canyon]

show relative dps instead of absolute dps

[earnest canyon]

ok so it is more than 1%

[lilac osprey]

always trust your sims

[olive wraith]

Bis list is only the best if you have everything on it

Pacemaker is also better for aoe

Typically

[earnest canyon]

id trust the sim with some caveats and thoughts:

• Bis list is absolute bis, you need all the items on it
• iLevel can affect it, eg hunter tier set wasnt better than old til you got 4 set at like heroic or better
• Trinkets can be situational, eg sim can recommend 2x on use as they do sometimes sim better, but fuck managing 2 trinkets lol....i always want an on use and passive

[pure quail]

copy that. thanks everyone

[earnest canyon]

🫡

[pure quail]

looking at it really questiing what im looking at lol

[feral ivy]

i thought i was going to be in decent like 80% parse for mythic fract... lol nope

[gaunt loom]

screams good in m+?

i have 723arcanocore and 710sacbrood

Is it worth replacing with sacbrood?

[sullen tendon]

do we wanna get as much haste as possible now?

sims keep favoring crit for me but feels like i lose out on a lot of aoe with it

[compact knot]

i like it in m+

i would just use arcanocore and screams personally, both good boss damage and arcanocore has a lot of str

also both do more damage on 5 targets

[serene socket]

is bloodmallet site good source for trinket comparisons? i reference that usually and it shows idol, antenna, pacemaker as top for 5+ targets*

[modest condor]

it's a good guideline but in the end simming your own character is always gonna be more accurate

[gaunt loom]

considering using it over sacbrood

[compact knot]

i would

[gaunt loom]

the sims don’t value it that much in aoe, so i'm not sure

[olive wraith]

Crit is actually a better stat in aoe (in general)

Trust the sims

[sullen tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/monkeys-paw-paw-monkey-gif-17535679

[jovial mauve]

I forgot this was basically general

any wonder warriors available for some log checks/little bit of coaching

[olive wraith]

Post it here/ #1347646810457636974

[jovial mauve]

I did, no one responded to it lol

[olive wraith]

Oops my b. I hardly check that channel

[jovial mauve]

my point exactly haha

[gaunt loom]

I’d like to know the most popular trinket combinations in M+

[earnest canyon]

i cant see it, but im kinda blind

[olive wraith]

I think idol/antenna is the most common

[undone flower]

Yes usually people say here Hey I posted my log in review and someone checks

[sullen tendon]

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/warrior/fury/trinkets/castingpatchwerk5

[jovial mauve]

#1415543476732563466 message

[gaunt loom]

hmm

[olive wraith]

There’s a few bs where you didn’t do the brutal finish optimization

Other stuff might be lower ilvl. You have a semi low trink ilvl

[undone flower]

I didn’t check that deep bc I’m on my phone, the ilvl lacking might be the biggest reason, because it seemed alright on the timeline / except the thing kaliath mentions

[olive wraith]

Ye those are the only few things I noticed. I’m also not a parser though

[undone flower]

The weapon off hand might be the biggest culprit with the trinket + you lost juggernaut near the end

[undone flower]

This one is not obvious, because heroic parses are rough when you lack ilvl on the big slots / are late to the party

I need to log on my pc to watch the replay

[olive wraith]

I can’t talk

[undone flower]

I wouldn’t take my logs as a example, that’s why I know ilvl is really important in heroic for the last percentiles of parses

[jovial mauve]

So am I supposed to do the rb for brutal finish after every BS? I thought that was lower prio after the opener to focus on execute, rage dump

I can try and make those adjustments though if so

[olive wraith]

It’s still technically an optimization. Although a pretty minor one

[undone flower]

• his kill time is 1 min longer than mine, idk how much it influences it

[olive wraith]

That does help

[sand lake]

%58 mastery, should I get some haste enchants instead?

[olive wraith]

Sim it

I have vers

[undone flower]

And I’m 717 ilvl

[olive wraith]

Oh lord

Big dawg

[undone flower]

That’s why I know the top top parses are kinda gg your ilvl

I have 20 more ilvl than ramassaur on 4 out of 5 of the big slots

So it’s hard to figure out if it’s not the major issue here

[thick fossil]

I fucking hate this fight.

[olive wraith]

“Just loot stuff”🤣

[undone flower]

Yes and it’s harsh to say you need gear when it’s not obvious to do

[jovial mauve]

Really?

[feral ivy]

mythic soul hunter .. fucken chaotic

[undone flower]

I need to check the replay if you did some weird dps loss moves / like not leaping insta back when you have to break the walls (I suppose you do), but I think it is the biggest issue here is gear, you are doing fine overall

[jovial mauve]

I'd appreciate that, I can send you my logs for this week too. Just finished them since that was last weeks frac log

ilvls are mostly upgraded

[olive wraith]

YOLO send it

[undone flower]

But don’t take gear as a first excuse, just to warn you the dark path it can leads to, I will try to look more detailed things in 5 min

[olive wraith]

Did it improve?

[jovial mauve]

yeah, still not orange though only 92

[jovial mauve]

I'm not, I typically look at that as a crutch for the most part

[undone flower]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1407179540182339594/Statn.gif

[undone flower]

That’s an improvement, but I know it’s never enough

[jovial mauve]

its worse when my guildies are getting oranges and we all talk shit to eachother so I feel like I need to catch up haha

[silk flume]

Following up on question earlier from today, can you have two crafted weapons? What if one is embellished? Can the other one be or does it have to have a different one/none?

[tepid cedar]

those are ym stats, i ddidnt give u consent in using them ....

.<

[olive wraith]

Pretty sure I answered that lol

[tepid cedar]

@chilly fractal the pug climb restarts again!!

[olive wraith]

You can craft an armor piece with writhing

[silk wharf]

Yes you can have two crafted weapons. The embellishment rules are the same. You can have up to 2 total.

[undone flower]

But you can’t have 2x ascendance

[silk wharf]

I didn't know that.

I've never thought, even momentarily, about it. I would have to give up a myth ilvl main hand.

[silk wharf]

well, they all say that. They are "unique equipped : 2"

[tame gorge]

Is Then still the play for Mythic Araz?

Thane***

[sullen dove]

either or but think most are slayer now

more boss dam good adds die in like 10 seconds anyway

bit more reliably higher unless giga proc tbs

[undone flower]

i think you are right and i misunderstand bc i never saw a rogue embellish his second dagger/dh his second wep

[sullen tendon]

why do we stormbolt during bladestorm

[olive wraith]

It’s more damage

[sullen dove]

a whole 40k more damage for free u couldnt otherwise get

enjoy

[sullen tendon]

like 0.001% dps

[sullen dove]

[olive wraith]

Ya

But also don’t do that for dps in keys

[sullen tendon]

but like even in raid why do it

[sullen dove]

cuz your class talent points are useless and people are freaks

[sullen tendon]

it does less damage than charge on some fights

[olive wraith]

Because it’s technically a damage increase

[undone flower]

why heroic throw/wreck throw when you are very out of range, it's the same type