fury

[undone flower]

[hollow leaf]

depends what your other embellishment is

[sullen dove]

yea… def very unfortunate to have not crafted weapon first

cuz just burns like 60 crests

but unless you have other non Upgraded myth gear weapon prolly still one of the best things

[modern leaf]

so reforging weapon is the better option here?

belt is myth

[sullen dove]

the better option woulda been to craft weapon before upgrading the myth weapon but too late for that

would say just sim

but like weapon upgrade prolly still one of the biggest dps

Vs maxing a belt

[hollow leaf]

probably

[karmic crow]

Somwe actually lust in 2nd collectors at 5 stacks of the debuff. It rolls into dmg amp phase but ya

[sullen dove]

I think only thing is maybe worth to see if u get second myth track weapon out of vault

[hollow leaf]

send wep and cry over 60 wasted crests

[sullen dove]

and swap embells

[plush zephyr]

This

[sullen dove]

to remedy not wasting 60 gilded

but if u have a ton extra anyway then w/e not gonna matter in turbo boost in like a month and some change

[undone flower]

and some nerfs

My veins are itching for those smh

[pallid gust]

when casting rampage , does its damage get buffed by the enrage it procs or only following casts? I.E how important is it to try cast following rampages before enrage drops

[young swan]

it benefits from its own enrage

[undone flower]

Rampage enrages itself

[cobalt relic]

still going

7 invites all wipes

gg

[dense fulcrum]

personal best, 9ml almost in hoa 15, prob can do 9+ if pulls were a bit cleaner, we had 4 deaths after the first boss :/..whats your personal best in hoa as slayer?

[dense elbow]

10m Details Combat, or 9m active

[dense fulcrum]

wow 10m gz 😄

[dense elbow]

Once ya play with some real boys, ya get reality checked, they doing 12-10m active dps

[dense fulcrum]

ye i imagine top tier classes do a lot more anyway xD

on good hands

[dense elbow]

I am not even mad, Fury do really good DPS for 0 effort and no planning

[mild ravine]

I did another hoa 13, it got better, but still not good

[dense fulcrum]

ye ye im happy too, never had so much fun with my class in this expansion so far this is the best imo

[dense elbow]

It feels amazing when we get to at least keep up, and even compete, on the meters

after an expansion of being 5-10% behind

[dense fulcrum]

ye

so good xD

before the last boss i was near 11m then i dropped dunno why tho, dropped by a lot

but for the whole run i never felt really a lot behind

[olive wraith]

Boss fights in general will drop your overall a bit

[dense elbow]

No trash to pull unto it either

[karmic fiber]

Is there a SD conditions weakaura without tthe juggernaut stack stuff too? 😄

[dense elbow]

damned HoA

[jolly parrot]

Slacker

[olive wraith]

Why wouldn’t you track jugg

[karmic fiber]

I already see it somewhere else

[dense fulcrum]

its so good when they pull trash into the first boss so i can funnel my reap procs ahaha had like 25m dmg burst on that boss

[dense elbow]

Just go into triggers, remove the jugg portion

[olive wraith]

Remove it from the other source?

[karmic fiber]

@dense elbow ty

@olive wraith im asking a specific question, not asking for advice on others lol

[olive wraith]

I mean it’s generally the same thing no? IMO it’s better to keep the execute wa as is

Since it tells you when to press

[karmic fiber]

Ive been using my other jugg wa for a long time and it feels better for me

[olive wraith]

Ok. Was just a suggestion

[dense elbow]

RIP

Thane

[olive wraith]

Rip

[devout totem]

[dense elbow]

time to close the discord

[undone flower]

I would have take you

[dense elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/zombielandsaga-sakura-minamoto-xd-gif-627758404327754450

[olive wraith]

Have you tried telling them we have funnel

[undone flower]

A warrior doesn’t lie

[olive wraith]

It’s not a lie if you claim it’s rp

[undone flower]

close the discord RIGHT NOW

[compact knot]

pmo

[thick fossil]

Well.. I might be done pushing. 15 Resil complete.

16s seem to only take you if it's a phys comp.

[dense elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-skittles-food-mine-no-gif-5155520

[coarse nest]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cardboard-punch-silly-cat-silly-gif-8249771488252948329

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/love-fox-kitten-gif-8092023

[cobalt relic]

time to sleep

0 progress

gg..

[devout totem]

7 depletes out of 7 accept i guess?

[cobalt relic]

yep

unfortunately

statue bug caused team wipe hoa 17

it was ez timed too

GG

GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

[iron portal]

Beautiful addon

[chrome scroll]

coming from a ranged player = do i still need to stand behind or next to a boss to do most damage due to miss or parry or something like that?

[hardy bluff]

parry still exists yes

[warm crag]

you can get parried by raid bosses and select dungeon bosses if you stand in front of them

its not really a big deal for fury but if you can stand behind someone, do it

[chrome scroll]

ok Cheers!

[desert zodiac]

whats the % gain for the slayer set in AoE?

[hardy bluff]

alot

[frank dawn]

Large

[tepid cedar]

sadge

[junior gale]

F

Floodgate def feels like the new hardest

[tepid cedar]

bro the pul after old bubbles

i died BEHIND one of thje frontal guys

[junior gale]

Gg

[tepid cedar]

that was the 15 sec toi time. and somehow the constructor on the right side of the staris leading to bomb boss. those mobs got pulled while we were on the boss

big surprise lkillin boss and those mfrs jsut dhowing up

[junior gale]

Lmao

[eternal compass]

Ye happened to me also, from what i read its caused by a dk spell

But mby other classes aswell idk

[undone flower]

not if it's your key

[junior gale]

First you got a deal with crocodiles on that boss now constructors shame

[earnest canyon]

Why didnt you call yourself Tueur heureux? It sounds like someone throwing up a hairball on google translate lol

[undone flower]

bc i slay

[earnest canyon]

it says slayer is Tueur, though that translates as killer

[undone flower]

i feel like "slay" would be a word close to abattre with less slaughter connotation

[earnest canyon]

oui oui

[modest condor]

slay queen

[peak pine]

does BS stop interogation on first boss of streets?

[cobalt relic]

silmar

so do we spam rb during aoe while overcapping rage btw

till enraged falls off

[modest condor]

you can but it makes no difference compared to just rampaging at 115

[cobalt relic]

and exe whenever kachings right

or do we prio rb over kaching in aoe

[modest condor]

kaching yeah

unless you're pushing to get bs back before next pack

then you send asap

if you have an sd proc ofcourse

[cobalt relic]

I see

smh idk why i parse so low

gotta fix

[olive wraith]

Yes. Have to be channeling when cast goes through

[thick fossil]

Yeah, gonna have to start pushing my own key now. Since it's a 15. Ara Kara to, so easy mode.

[undone flower]

i'm pushing my own until im close to resil, then i try to tag

trying to finish with ara 15, but when i'm bored waiting i just do the one in my bag, so i already have 2 16s

surely it is a easy timed

[lean heart]

reap da storm

[lost saffron]

@restive peak Hosen check

[sudden scroll]

Confirming you don't rampage at a lower number than 115 when in reck.

[slim coral]

yep

[tepid cedar]

im 115, can u reck me baze

[sudden scroll]

Ty

[mossy pelican]

wat in tarnation

[olive wraith]

Gl. Find a goated healer

[undone flower]

in the mines for my fucking resil

[drifting token]

If you don't have enrage/about to run out that still trumps all other rules

[olive wraith]

Ww stacks>enrage

[undone flower]

[daring coral]

Was always curious if it would work but never wanted to risk it lol

[undone flower]

MASSIVE OVERALL

[olive wraith]

Human racial works too

[graceful ruin]

my reap the storm dmg seems to be a bit lower than expected in m+. wonder if i'm not executing enough to get spin cdr

[gilded pawn]

follow the weakaura

[olive wraith]

Most common error is not having bs ready for the next pull

Sometimes sending 2 bs in 1 pull messes with the pull after

[static rock]

Hey, for sims, are we just doing 5T 5min again this season for mythic+?

[olive wraith]

No that’s too long

I just sim st. For trinket choices it’s a bit of trial and error

[graceful ruin]

yea also not following the weakaura very well i think, cuz it was the first dungeon as fury this season

i also have 20k crit and 12k each haste mast lmao

[olive wraith]

Ya it’ll just take some reps deciding when to hold bs or to send it

As far as stats don’t worry about it too much. Jewelry is the best place to “fix” your stats

[safe geyser]

Do you guys recommend that in the slayer rotation I always have 2 stacks of Slaughtering Strikes before casting rampage?

[olive wraith]

No

We only try to stack slaughtering strikes directly after a bs

[graceful ruin]

why in particular?

also do u bs > rampage > rb > rb > rampage or just ignore the 1st ramp?

[olive wraith]

Brutal finish talent in slayer tree

Buffs the next rampage after bs

Typically you want to ramp-bs- then rb spam (or exe conditionals)

Until you run out of rb or enrage

[meager token]

Sorry which weakaura?

[graceful ruin]

ohhhh i missed this one

[olive wraith]

Exe conditionals wa

It’s in the wa/macros section #dps-faq

[graceful ruin]

and it seems like ignoring cds and assuming you're in enrage, following the exe wa is top prio?

[olive wraith]

Wdym ignoring cds

[graceful ruin]

like i know cds are top prio in general

but ignoring that

[olive wraith]

Oh gotcha

Exe is pretty high ya

Check wowhead prio

[plush zephyr]

Fury chat has really, been a lot of questions recently holyyy 😂

[potent citrus]

cool ill ask another

[olive wraith]

I think it generally has a lot of questions

[potent citrus]

is it normal to get outdps'd by a bear druid in the first pull of priory

[olive wraith]

But since hot fix I swear we’re getting some rerollers

[olive wraith]

As?

[restive peak]

Hosen Homeskillet

[potent citrus]

as fury war

[olive wraith]

There’s 2 different hero trees

[potent citrus]

o

slayer

[bitter palm]

neither of them get outdpsed

by tanks

[olive wraith]

Do you have tier

[bitter palm]

unless pulls live for 0.1 seconds and u have no tier

[potent citrus]

2 piece tier

and he was 700 im 693

[bitter palm]

ye thats why

[olive wraith]

2p then maybe

[bitter palm]

u need 4p to do aoe

[potent citrus]

better to go back to mountain thane then?

[bitter palm]

no

[olive wraith]

No lol

[plush zephyr]

Nah nah you’ve been on overtime answering people, thank you

[bitter palm]

2p thane is much worse

[bitter palm]

a lot of new players

[olive wraith]

But for slayer 2p prio bt in aoe

[potent citrus]

i seee

[bitter palm]

ngl i would still prio rb cause it doesnt matter u will get 4p soon

[potent citrus]

yeah ive only been playing for 2 weeks and pushing +10 so lmao

[bitter palm]

getting used to no 4p gameplay for no reason

if u have hero track pieces to cata

do it

get 4p

[potent citrus]

working on it but rng is not in my favour

[olive wraith]

Oh ya we have 4 cata with the achieve now right

[olive wraith]

I just happen to lurk often

[graceful ruin]

i find myself almost never pressing BT in aoe lol

[olive wraith]

Ya you try not to with 4p

Without 4p bt is your only consistent reap proc

[hollow elk]

anyone got a link for the most current m+ build with slayer? wowhead dont seem to be updated

[olive wraith]

Wowhead is updated

[warm crag]

what makes you think its not updated

[bitter palm]

thoughts on cds now properly resetting during sha of fear heroic transition

[warm crag]

ill think about what this means for me

[bitter palm]

sounds good 👍

i think its a nice change

[potent citrus]

other point of confusion

wowhead opener shows doing 2x raging blow after bladestorm? is this a gain even if youre capped at 130 rage?

[olive wraith]

#fury message

[chilly ginkgo]

Does execute with the weak aura take prio over raging blow in big packs? or do you hit raging blow for more reap the storms

[potent citrus]

yeah just wasnt sure if it was gain even with the strikes

[unique vigil]

Odyn Fury build is fun :D

[olive wraith]

If it’s in the wowhead prio it’s generally what sims the highest

[olive wraith]

Yes

[compact knot]

MODSSS

[olive wraith]

<@&257983573498265600>

[unreal onyx]

someone got hacked

F

[neon hamlet]

Bitconnecttttrt

[unreal onyx]

damn it really worked, MrBeast just sent me 8 billion dollars

[neon hamlet]

Just what I see when I open Fury discord

[olive wraith]

Mr beast just gave me CE!!!

Yall missed out

I even got a 750 ilvl fyralath

[open prairie]

fyralath always felt weird on fury

[unreal onyx]

mine procc'd and went 765

[open prairie]

since less downtime than ret or dk

[jaunty ridge]

Fury owns. Dawn +16.

[unreal onyx]

that mage big slacking

[inner zinc]

did blizz fix the whole spell density thing that was bugged with 11.2?

[olive wraith]

Nah it’s fire mage

[open prairie]

what else is new

[olive wraith]

He’s doing his best

[open prairie]

actually i played with a decent arcane today

chinese though

checks out /j

[undone flower]

me when i lie

[open prairie]

hey he wasnt competing with the tank for 3rd

i consider that big improvement

[olive wraith]

Fire is tankier than arcane correct?

Cause cauterize

[undone flower]

I have more trust in a fdk fotm reroller over a mage smh

[olive wraith]

Fdk is so much easier lol

Me have 2 aoe buttons and 2 st buttons

[open prairie]

pretty hard to fuck up fdk

hit the shiny

[hushed gust]

odd question. does the brutal finish buff have a duration?

[olive wraith]

Yes

[hushed gust]

great- alright, guess i gotta do unnecesary bullshit later tonight.

[olive wraith]

It’s longer than 6 globals

Idk actual duration

[hushed gust]

so, you're likely seeing roughly 3 slaughtering strikes buffs before brutal finish drops.

just due to whirlwind stacks and such

[olive wraith]

On average maybe

I typically run out of rb/enrage before duration

[undone flower]

10 sec

[olive wraith]

It’s probably something like 10-15s

Oh there you go

[undone flower]

i just bladestormed in dornogal to know

[hushed gust]

okay- so 3-4 stacks. gotchya

thanks for checking. sadly, my hands are full elsewhere so i couldn't

[olive wraith]

2-3 is probably more average

Don’t always get rb resets

[hushed gust]

fair

[bitter palm]

idk about that

i think arcane still tankier ngl

their barrier is busted

[olive wraith]

There goes my 1 argument for fire

[bitter palm]

im not 100% sure tho maybe something changed but i remember everyone saying arcane is the tankiest ranged spec

[flat river]

mom we up

[olive wraith]

Movin on up

[flat river]

yeah

[olive wraith]

Boomie is that high?

[flat river]

i think last week we were behind unholy

[olive wraith]

I only see bad boomie I guess

[flat river]

before that we were B (before the fix)

[bitter palm]

boomie player try not to be fucking dogshit challenge impossible

that spec has a negative effect on u

[flat river]

[olive wraith]

It’s time for tier lists to actually help us

[bitter palm]

farover pushing again gg gonna get gutted

streets 19

explosion soon

ALL damage reduced BY 50%

[olive wraith]

Bm sandbagger

Can’t wait to watch noxiv in mdi

[rocky locust]

@edgy widget
Context: Mythic raid, single target, no add phase coming up, no damage amp coming up
Question: How long would you delay using Bladestorm to wait for Avatar/Rampage to come off cooldown? 10 seconds? 5 seconds? Would you never delay Bladestorm, even if Avatar would be ready in 1 second, for example?

[winter shoal]

Nahhh no need to ping archi about that

Sims say in a vacuum like you describe that you'd hold BS for up to 8s to pair with ava, or 15s (which is more like 8-10s in reality) to pair with reck

Last I checked that was like a 0.2% optimization although that was admittedly last patch

[pure bloom]

Is their a reason to not go SMF? I am a Prot warrior at the moment, and I have two 1h Weapons.

[rocky locust]

Where do you see the 8s and the 15s in the sims? Where did you get those numbers?

[winter shoal]

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/blob/thewarwithin/ActionPriorityLists/default/warrior_fury.simc#L52

actions.slayer+=/bladestorm,if=buff.enrage.up&(talent.reckless_abandon&cooldown.avatar.remains>=24|talent.anger_management&cooldown.recklessness.remains>=15&(buff.avatar.up|cooldown.avatar.remains>=8))

You can ignore the RA part ofc

[young swan]

ur paying a talent point for less damage

[rocky locust]

Thank you very much.

[rocky locust]

lol okay

[winter shoal]

Really not worth stressing about

[edgy widget]

those extra conditions are more for MT than ST, but yeah; just sending Bladestorm is usually better unless you have a strong certainty that it won't cost you a cast

[flat river]

or they will make it capped at 5 targets like how they nuked odyns and roar

"thunderblast is capped at 5 targets soft cap so it should be the same of reap"

and we go down to 0

as long as we aren't OP in raid they won't nerf us right guys

[undone flower]

declined

[hearty ravine]

What's the general rotation for single target raid with 4 piece slayer?

[sinful spoke]

Isnt that guy in here

Nvm i confused him with someone else

[hollow leaf]

people who beg to be invited in notes are an insta decline from me

[sinful spoke]

Fax

[hollow leaf]

Idc if Kira applies I'm declining if he's begging

same with people who whisper for an invite

I could be on my way to press invite and I'm blocking them if they whisper

[undone flower]

i got a title achiev whisp

declined

[olive wraith]

I answer questions and meme frequently in skyhold. Can I get invite @undone flower

[undone flower]

ofc

[hollow leaf]

valid whisper

I'd invite instantly

[undone flower]

i'm tagging a 17 gambit if you want

[olive wraith]

lol I wish. I’m heading out

Giga double warrior comp

[quiet breach]

does woxtoxic only play combat

[bitter palm]

no clue

but outlaw aint bad

[winter shoal]

I think he's an outlaw 1trick ya

He played veng rather than another rogue spec last MDI when outlaw was banned

[olive wraith]

I’ve seen a handful of really solid sub players.

And the more common sin

Don’t think I’ve seen a single outlaw in lfg

[restive peak]

Wox can play the others but he’s an outlaw OT 99%, he was in the same guild as me for a bit

[restive peak]

Gonna bring my hunter to your keys big dog

[nimble sphinx]

Saw an outlaw in a 11 ecodome did 10mil overall was nuts

[last junco]

[restive peak]

Outlaw can pump its just cancer as fuck to play

Hence why not many bother

It’s the same as a ton of other specs dmg wise but like 8x more complicated/punishing

Part of frost being meta is the faceroll aspect of it

[blissful canyon]

Are both weapons equally important?

[bitter palm]

mh is a lot more important

thats why higher ilvl always goes in mh

[bitter palm]

unless something changed since last patch which i doubt besides killing spree not being mega cringe

i have a counterpoint

its engaging to play

i understand people who love playingi t

for me its just too much rng

there are ways to get better rolls but still sometimes spec feels so fucking bad

i cant play specs that arent engaging

and numbers dont make it engaging

i cant play ret for example

i fall asleep

[winter shoal]

having empty gcds makes me want to ingame irl

[hidden yarrow]

when you're getting tight on enrage and whirlwind stacks fell off, do you send the whirlwind then rampage, or rampage without whirlwind buff then whirlwind?

[rocky locust]

Surely

[winter shoal]

ww first

[hidden yarrow]

❤️ ty

[quiet breach]

i thought wox was a she

whos the woman rogue they were playing with?

[sullen tendon]

anyone know why warcraft logs stop showing people in que in the character menu after a while

[modest condor]

nessa

[sullen tendon]

Like if i leave it open overnight the next time i launch wow it wont let me see characters queueing

[sinful orbit]

okay i played a fury key i cannot play this shit

the apm is way to high

i'll stick to arms

there is a proc every 0.5 sec

[winter shoal]

You can play thane with powerful enrage

Still a lot of procs but much slower paced than frenzied enrage slayer

Or just play arms if you want

[undone flower]

If you are EU why not / it’s a 16 now tho

[pastel sequoia]

I know the wowhead guide says press raging to build rampage damage after BS, but the idea is to just keep hitting it until your stacks dont reset/run out and then always hit rampage if your over 115 right?

[winter shoal]

Maybe I'm just fried but I feel like you're asking two different questions

[pastel sequoia]

Nah I might be, talking about opener/after bladestorm

[winter shoal]

After bladestorm only (because of the brutal finish buff) you press RB as long as you're still enraged and have charges before rampage, regardless of rage. But it's still lower prio than exe conditionals

In other cases, you would ramp over RB above 115 rage

[pastel sequoia]

Ok that makes sense

[undone flower]

everything above "rampage at 115" means you do it even if you rage is 1 billion

[pastel sequoia]

Thanks guys

[naive latch]

another bricked prio 14

always the pepega tanks doing left side, man

[undone flower]

what brick the key ?

[naive latch]

They pull the lightspawn

If it’s not that, it’s people not using defensives or healing then they just get melted instantly by aoe/targeted

I’m on 10 bricked so far lmao

[neon hamlet]

Trying to relearn warr like how I did back in Legion/BFA and damn is it difficult after playing lock for so long

[chilly plume]

coward

[summer quail]

fury pretty easy. keep enrage up, press raging blow alot. press cds on cd

[neon hamlet]

🫶

Yeah its coming back to me'

[mild ravine]

I think I've got the hang of teh thing now

floodgate 13

[potent citrus]

gaming

ignore plexus i died to stack then spread

[remote bobcat]

Did you go afk on all bosses ??

[potent citrus]

no my gears shit

LMAO

695

[radiant plank]

sort by ilvl

[potent citrus]

ive only been playing 2 weeks ive still got a bit to go

[chilly plume]

whut the fuck is your cloak doing that high

[chilly plume]

^

bro has myth boots

https://tenor.com/view/watching-you-observe-seeing-i-saw-you-gif-5740825

[tawdry osprey]

Can i get someone's opinion? i was thinking i need to target some more myth track Mastery gear but Raidbots is saying more Haste and trying to stay the same amount of Mastery. Playing Slayer for all content and i know it loves Haste.

[hushed ocean]

u can lower haste a bit

30 is more than enough

[open prairie]

trust what the robot say

[compact knot]

u need more mastery

just from my perspective

but its pretty even

trust sim

[dry notch]

I am gaming too

[worn stag]

Hey can someone explain to me why we do 2 raging blow before, shouldnt we have enought rage for rampage aftger bladestorm?

[naive latch]

not to brag

kek

[marble ruin]

All that matters is if it died

[potent citrus]

its because of the brutal finish buff

use that with the 2 raging blows and you get a big damage increase

[worn stag]

So it gains hugh damage with the other buff

[open prairie]

sometimes you can fit 3

[worn stag]

so does raging blow has high prio than rampage when in enrage?

[potent citrus]

https://i.hep.gg/QgbS6etxd

only after bladestorm

[worn stag]

Ok

Thank you very much

[potent citrus]

i had confusion with this myself ngl

kept raging blow when capped all the time

oops

[worn stag]

Feels kind of weird to overrage like

[potent citrus]

its only after bladestorm

you get used to it

[worn stag]

Does it accumulate with slaugtering strikes? so it instead of 1 (normal Rampage)+ 0,5(From Brutal Finish) and 0,4( 2 Slaugthering strikes buffs) which is 1,9 Rampage dmg, u get 1 * 1,5 * 1,4 which is 2,1 Rampage hit

[fading sky]

Dno the math but yes

Wow is a game of multipliers

Add in enrage as welø

[earnest canyon]

Maths? On the weekend??

https://tenor.com/view/meonly-gif-19710542

[fading sky]

Also u might hit rb 3 to 4 times

Also dont think just trust, and zug

[trail viper]

quick question and hopefully this hasnt been asked a million times. do yall let enrage drop to get a bigger rampage?

[naive latch]

just ooga your booga tbh

[worn stag]

hmm ok thought the loosing rage for angermanagment would be bad, but seems like big hitting Rampage is more important

[final vapor]

What do you mean there is literally 0 reason why enrage should dropped

[trail viper]

well lets say during aoe and you have to hit whirlwind

[fading sky]

Ni

[trail viper]

do you let it drop then?

[fading sky]

Never

[trail viper]

okie dokie

[fading sky]

Wait

Ww yes who cares

As long as key after ww is ramp

Id rather send a bad ww than a st rampage in aoe

But in gen dont be in that situation🤣

As said before issue is mainly if last rb u push send out a unenraged reap

As its slightly delayed

[undone flower]

If I’m not reaching 115 rage, technically yes I drop enrage / last gcd

I don’t do it consistently tho

I wouldn’t suggest it as important tho

[red grail]

♥️

[molten plover]

Question: Is rampage always enrage? I mean situations when I use rampage without having the enrage buff.

[red grail]

Yes

Rampage benefits from it's own enrage

[molten plover]

So, if I have 0.1 seconds left until enrage, I can use RB and next WW + rampage, but not on enrage. - aoe on M+

[undone flower]

Your whirlwind will not be enraged + will trigger a non frenzied enrage gcd / im unsure if you want to do that

[dry notch]

Dont worry i ll join u there 😁

[undone flower]

My nemesis is araz

[sterile girder]

how much dps am i losing if i dont min- max execute as slayer?

[naive latch]

it's chill

[earnest canyon]

715 iLevel is YUGE

https://tenor.com/view/yuge-huge-donald-trump-gif-7357158

[naive latch]

I'm only 712

tbf, I don't do mythic raiding

[undone flower]

Im so massive, I got auged, not on araz obviously

[earnest canyon]

i dont do mythic raiding either and im also 712, or rather can be....im 710 I think cos one of my trinkets is from normal raid 🙁

[naive latch]

I'd do mythic raiding but I work night shift kek

not that good of a player to be doing mythic to begin with though

[undone flower]

I gave the Aug 600k dps on soulbinder

[earnest canyon]

Im in a strange guild in that each HC run we have a few people grey parsing, a few orange and even pink parsing, and we only do HC....never step foot in mythic...its like HC and done...down to 1 night raid a week, and it takes like 1.5hrs now

[undone flower]

It didn’t worked as well on fractilus tho, must be the flat damage not being Aug friendly

[naive latch]

I'm in a CE guild and I just tag along with HC reclears for free vault

[earnest canyon]

lmao nice

[naive latch]

raiding just ain't for me

i've had my fair share of high-level raiding with ff14

[lapis shadow]

I loveeee raiding

[earnest canyon]

i like it, but these days im a 10-20 wipes on a boss kinda guy....not 100s

[earnest canyon]

thats not raiding, thats doing line dancing....ill never get used to the fact the boss may as well not be there because its Ps2 spaghetti code

FF14 - circle appears, dont stand in it, circle disappears, go back...boss does massive smash on you, but it doesnt matter because you werent in the circle

[undone flower]

Yeah I don’t like server tick based gameplay + I love dance fights in wow, but ff is ONLY dances, I get sick quick

Goated MSQ tho

[rough torrent]

Strafe casting in 14 pretty fun tho

[fading sky]

60-100 is ok

If bosses are fun

If they are hard due to random shit its annoying

Heck i did tindy and fyrakk ( late late ce) spend loooads of tries but boss wss highly active

So i didnt mind

[fading sky]

Kek

W t f how early

Can u check mine im on phone

🤣

Thegokke-stormscale

[undone flower]

Yep

[fading sky]

586 does sound insane

How many tinder then?

[undone flower]

I need a guild name to search it

[fading sky]

Disciples reborn

[fading sky]

We had that many

Jesus

My brain said 250

😑

[undone flower]

Time goes fast when we have fun

[fading sky]

Still fights fucked

[bright ledge]

man id like to know what am i doing wrong.... Flood 15

[gleaming siren]

@warm crag singlehandedly cost us 500 pulls on Tindral

[rough torrent]

Record a run

[oblique trail]

This is true, I was there

[earnest canyon]

I would have faked an anal prolapse and gone offline until they killed it

[oblique trail]

Sorry to hear I guess

[fading sky]

Also both specs pump m8

First q, do u have bladestorm for every pull?

[bright ledge]

cant remember well now but i try to

[earnest canyon]

Dont be sorry, i didnt have to wipe 500 times on a boss

[bright ledge]

i died 1 time in a big pull tho

[fading sky]

That as well. Like. But was mobs stacked did u reap all?

[bright ledge]

but i see the order of the abilities and I see the same orden in every photo ppl send here lol

[fading sky]

Also ret farms critter mobs

Overall isnt ness an important metfic

Did u destroy bosses?

[bright ledge]

yeah

[fading sky]

And u timed?

[bright ledge]

wiped last pack b4 boss

b4 last boss i mean

[fading sky]

So no time?

Flood is tight.

[feral egret]

Do you guys make sure to have ww up for everything in m plus or is it just important to ww rb?

[strong ridge]

what do you mean?

[feral egret]

Do I always have ww stacks up for every single rb, rampage and execute

[strong ridge]

yes

for everything

even for bloodthirst

[vale berry]

Why is flask of alchemical chaos recommended, while we can use one that gives us our best stat 100% of the time?

[signal falcon]

For Brutal Finish (Ramp after Bladestorm), do you keep hitting RB if it procs after enrage is over or just Ramp early to maintain enrage

[signal falcon]

When you use a tempered potion with alchemical chaos you gain all four stats, if you use a stat flask then that stat isn’t boosted by your tempered potion

[gleaming siren]

And stats are close enough that it just doesn't matter that much to have the 'best' stat

So you just lose potion effectiveness for a tiny gain at best

[vale berry]

oh wow i had no idea about that potion interaction that's huge

[strong ridge]

stay enraged

[naive latch]

[umbral gull]

https://tenor.com/view/spawn-hell-hurl-through-hell-fall-to-hell-fire-gif-17250068

[signal falcon]

🤝

[viral shore]

without 4pc does one play the "no 4p slayer build" in all content? and what is the suggested rotational priority? (a friend is coming back to fury and I got 4p way too fast to even know) 😄

[hardy bluff]

you can but he will have 4p in like 2 days too

[prime bane]

I just noticed that guy complaining ab out his dps in floodgate. That is probably one of the few dungeons I wouldn't hold it against melee to not be th at great at

[viral shore]

ahhh right the catalyst 😄 I forgot about it since I'm always on 0 charges 😄

[prime bane]

he should have 4 charge... i think?

[hardy bluff]

if he has 2k score yes

[prime bane]

carry him in mythics, get him at least heroic pieces

that way he isn't wasting his charges on champion and below

I've been pugging heroic raid for a bit now and my loot rools are horrible on warrior. My guild hasn't been doing heroic alt runs, only normals

In a pug we made it up to fractilus with little to no problem . I suggested them download the weak aura i had for fractilus that would make it so much easier lol but nope don't need a weak aura. I agree you don't need it for the fight but in a pug you get people who do not know it at all

[viral shore]

but then my original question would still need an anwer since I can carry him in 7s or 8s but it would be easier if he at least does some viable dps

[prime bane]

I'd just have him do the 4 piece rotation sincce his damage isn't gonna be off the charts regardless

plus it goes ahead and puts it into muscle memory

[viral shore]

so basically go for the no 4 pc build and swap rb with bt?

[prime bane]

my warrior only needs rings and a neck if you happen to be na and connected to area 52

[viral shore]

eu unfortunately but thanks for the offer 🙂

[prime bane]

no, i said to go a head and just play as if you had 4 piece

[fading sky]

Same

Get comfertable

Also send on champ geae

[prime bane]

and that's only cause one of my friends still hits bloodthirsts often... just from muscle memory

[viral shore]

so you'd have him play full 4p build?

[clever belfry]

schmidi57

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1294680138042183711/1406564095775473714/schmidirot.gif

[fading sky]

U wont upgrade hc gear beyond 704 anyways

[prime bane]

i do but then again my luck in vault is shit

and my guild will not be going into mythic raid

[viral shore]

why not? replacing it with mythic gear doesnt cost crests anymore upt to 710 then

[fading sky]

M gear comes at 707

Champ gear goes yo 704

[prime bane]

are you sure?

at a 6 i don't think th at gear is 704

[viral shore]

yeah, so what reason would I have to not upgrade a piece to 710 even if its not mythic track?

[fading sky]

So if u send on champ gear wait for hc piece

15 crests wasted

[viral shore]

dude... it doesnt cost crests

ah nevermind I get it now

[fading sky]

Free to 701 and u get to play 4p faster

Is my point

[viral shore]

you mean the step from 704 to 707

[fading sky]

Ofc optimal solution is to have full mythic but 4p is gigs

[prime bane]

lol

[fading sky]

So id get it asap

[prime bane]

i am jealous as hell to the people in full mythic gear

[fading sky]

Champ or hc track who cares

[viral shore]

yeah makes sense but only if you plan to raid mythic. the one piece per week from vault you get in mythic track will make you cap on gilded all the time

[prime bane]

i have 1 mythic piece and that's a tier chest piece

[fading sky]

Craft everu 2 weeks

All im saying is champ gesr send, for 4p

U gonna havw fun earlier

[viral shore]

mhm interesting. never thought about crafting more than the 2 recommended items (even for myself). would have to the maths on it though if it actually is a dps incrase to get one 720 instead of 2 710s every 2 weeks

[prime bane]

it is worth it

you don't get the embellishments is all

[fading sky]

I mean prim to shore up weak item

[prime bane]

and if you are having bad rng, it at least covers that until that drop, drops for you

[fading sky]

Ring // neck // belt( when 0.5 hits)

[viral shore]

mhm but basically I am spending 60 gilded instead of 15 to upgrade one slot wastefully

[fading sky]

And its free crestwise

Only waste gold

[viral shore]

ah nevermind... yeah it upgrades the slot to 720 so I save on crests later

[wary falcon]

is the dungeon slice sim on raidbots accurate?

[fading sky]

Yup

[prime bane]

wait it does??

[fading sky]

So crafted nevrr rly bad

[viral shore]

interesting 😄 I have to try this 😄

[prime bane]

i didn't know this 😄

see my issue is on my heroic items, i wasted runed early on so some are stuck needing runed

[fading sky]

Meh not a big deal

Keep farmin 7s for gear

[viral shore]

valorstones upgrade the item, crests upgrade the slot. if you equip a 720 in a slot, you upgrade that slot instantly to 720. meaning you only pay valorstones to upgrade any item you replace in that slot

[prime bane]

in time it will come but it's still annoying

[fading sky]

Doubt u have all must have trinket?

[wary falcon]

my topgear saying to run pacemaker and stone idol over sacbrood

[fading sky]

Idol? Ara kara

[viral shore]

sounds about right for dungeons

[prime bane]

my trinkets is ara kara sacbrood and uhhhhhhhh shit what was my other

astral i think

but at champion level

[fading sky]

Y u need idol

For m+

[wary falcon]

hm ok, ty. i thought most just sac + one of the other

[prime bane]

i don't even know t hat sac is absolute top tier anymore

[viral shore]

sac is better in single target/ raid fights.

[fading sky]

Astral is

[prime bane]

forgotten scream and one other was simming higher i thought

[fading sky]

Scream is kindda bait

Any extra targets useless

[prime bane]

i want the freaking first boss trinket that drops every freaking time that i never win

[fading sky]

Kek arcano is decent

[prime bane]

it sounds great in both raid and mythic

[fading sky]

I use scream + sac in st

Its not great in aoe

Its.. well worse than idol

[viral shore]

for me it sims worse in st than the delve trinket and basically within margin of error for multitarget

[prime bane]

interesting

well the way it reads sounds lovely

lol

[viral shore]

depends on your other items I guess

[fading sky]

Arcano os great for us, more versa helps it

[prime bane]

i'm in the process of regearing my bm hunter too

[fading sky]

Also its great coz its from 1st boss.. mythic😄

[prime bane]

freaking dark ranger changed things

[fading sky]

Dr is iiiinsane

Did a 13 hoa. Hunter hit 9.3m overall

[prime bane]

yeah but it feels silly to be a bm hunter and have your pets doing next to not damage

shew bad morning for me. i must have taken off my sleep mask last night at some point and i woke up into sleep paralysis which led to a panic attack

bad bad morning

i hate that our BiS ring is in priory.. i hate that place as melee

[heavy dock]

Is it tho

Eco dome + halls rings sim better for me

[prime bane]

I haven't really simmed them. Was going off icy veins

[valid pulsar]

can we just consume the spark last boss floodgate with bladestorm?

the leaping spark

[faint quiver]

any useful tips on how to use stone idol effectively? i feel like its clunky whenever i try to use it :S

[chilly plume]

the way it plays is painful

idk if i'm cursed or what but it loves to proc as a pack dies and hit 0 targets

[warm crag]

you should probably not use arcanocore for m+ ye

you're effectively bringing an st trinket into an aoe shitfest

[chilly plume]

i legitimately have no other dps trinkets atm unfort my choices are brand arcanocore and antenna

[warm crag]

idk what brand is but sounds like you are being sent to the ara kara mines

also i am red spongie why are you red spongie

@solemn plover

[chilly plume]

brand of ceaseless ire, soul hunters tank trinket lmao

[hollow pike]

is there a target count where we want to Ragingblow over execute to farm reap the storm?

[chilly plume]

is sac good for fury in m+? i have that one but it sims bad for me

[warm crag]

a trinket that works in aoe is usually better than one that doesnt work in aoe

[chilly plume]

valid

[warm crag]

tbf for your setup idol + antenna is probs best

or double passive

[chilly plume]

Im thinking double passive tbh potentially pacemaker antenna or sacbrood

[undone flower]

Im playing sac+pacemaker for now

[prime bane]

i have champion antennae which is holding ilvl back a bit

most everything is heroic or mythic

[warm crag]

shouldn't really be, normal = hc unless you want to start spending gilded crests on it and you should have enough pieces to still spend them on

[grizzled aspen]

looking at the talent builds here on discord i still can't tell which build is the best one to use

[prime bane]

the antennae is maxxed out

[warm crag]

just copy the first talent string in every faq page or

[grizzled aspen]

so the first slayer build at the top pulls the highest dps with 4pc?

[warm crag]

for the content it says right above the code sure

[grizzled aspen]

kk ty

[prime bane]

guessing raidbots doesn't sim the belt well

it's telling me to replce with heroic

[chilly plume]

do you have the right effect selected

[viral shore]

it doesn't sim the belt effect at all if you manually select your character on the website instead of exporting frim simcraft

[open crag]

sup guys is jastor diamond a simtrap or is it just that good that i need specific stuff in order to swap off it ?

[gleaming siren]

It randomly bugs out and doesn't trigger at all

If it didn't bug it'd be as good as it sims

[warm crag]

if you're not gonna swap rings before every pull you should probably replace it with a hc track ring

[smoky vale]

MEOW

[smoky vale]

MEOW

[sour frigate]

Rude.

[iron portal]

🔫

[remote bobcat]

gio

gio

gio

fiveseven

hows ur prog

[smoky vale]

https://tenor.com/view/those-who-mow-those-who-know-gif-6741124947321800836

[smoky vale]

meow

[calm mantle]

Do the statues on last boss of Halls kill you if you chage into them while they aren't moving?

One was going through the boss so I walked out charged back in afterwards but it was under the boss and I died.

[thick fossil]

I still climbing this season

[calm mantle]

I'm stuck at 3097, I keep bricking my 14 halls and when I relevel I get halls again lol

[worn rain]

yes

you can charge between them but it can be tricky

[calm mantle]

well one was just sitting right under the boss and I charged the boss and died 🙁

it wasn't moving at all

[worn rain]

movement doesn't matter

[signal steeple]

Whew 5/8m you are beefy

[calm mantle]

teach me to be good

[iron portal]

People cant do gambit 2nd boss i swear

[smoky vale]

woah osaliske teach me too

[thick fossil]

At least I not going red or blue man.

[thick fossil]

Simple, spin to win!

[thick fossil]

And also kick as many casts as possible.

[worn rain]

(optional)

[thick fossil]

lol

It helps though. Doing carry keys with a streamer:
We timed it despite the carry.

[radiant sentinel]

Huge kicks

[thick fossil]

It was an HoA, so no shortage. lol

[solemn plover]

You were born red.

[teal badge]

Anyone catch the WA in Critcake's Araaz kill vid for cc order?
Seems helpful, anyone know what it is?

[paper aurora]

Very random question should I macro my recklessness with avatar or generally press both separately?

I saw critcake delay the avatar cast by a sec or so in mythic nexus and wasnt sure what to do as standard

Also I generally cast reck right before charging to get more rage upfront right?

[thick fossil]

Yeah, I have that as well for Forgeweaver. Hate running it, but it's needed for a mechanic.

It's part of Northern Sky raid package.

[teal badge]

Tyvm!

[prime bane]

when you guys sim for mythic+ what do you sim for exactly, anything special?

i had been doing 5 bosses

i didn't really know what else to do lol

[paper aurora]

Do we usually delay casting bladestorm if reck or avatar is on cooldown or do we want to quickly press bs as soon as its ready?

[remote bobcat]

This is, as osa put it, part of the NS package, but the liquid weakaura package also has this and im p sure they are using liquid weakauras

[remote bobcat]

Depends on situation. If you are fighting one singular target then its avatar 8 seconds and reck 15 seconds ingame cd away to combine them

[lapis shadow]

I assume #updates-midnight will be updated soon but there is warcraft logs voting going on

[severe bough]

Do we still prioritize BT over RB in AoE when there are more than 5 targets or just RB?

[hardy shuttle]

only if you didnt bladestorm during the pack yet

bladestorm and reap apply stacks to increase the chance of RB reaping

[radiant perch]

Im pressing BT only as filler or when i fuk up and fat finger BS at end of pack

[hardy shuttle]

so if you dont have BS you need to BT a few times

[radiant perch]

Im gonna change the keybind.. 😄

[sonic coyote]

Guys

Importent questiomn

[severe bough]

That makes sense, thx!

[sonic coyote]

where do u guys binded Cursed Stone with that avatar or charge ?

[hardy shuttle]

i just have it on its own bind

[radiant perch]

I have it on separate bind

[sonic coyote]

BUT AM LAZY

AWWWW

[hardy shuttle]

we have like 6 buttons

[sonic coyote]

thats alot okay

🙁

[radiant perch]

Well, if you wanna minmax it you cant use it with pre charge avatar and reck macro

[sonic coyote]

ok i have to get a new bind then Sadge

i use it befor BS right

or am i tripping

just got the item like 5 mins ago not sure when to use it right

[radiant perch]

Im using it before CDs - same cd as avatar

[sonic coyote]

ok big

[radiant perch]

I still sometimed forgot that i can move as its casting..

[signal zinc]

in what scenarios do i use execute over RB? i found a weakaura on wowhead and im not sure if im supposed to follow that and if its only ST

[radiant perch]

You are consuming the stacks

To reduce BS cd

And to do more dmg with executr

[signal zinc]

so i just smash every Sudden Death proc?

[narrow fossil]

Hi guys would you like to change thane to proc with bloodthirst 20% per target hit? 100% with 5 or more targets

T be less rng

[radiant perch]

Weakaura will tell you when

[signal zinc]

does that go for aoe aswell?

[radiant perch]

Condition is like to not waste SD stacks and number of the debuffs

[sullen rune]

Hi guys, I see in Archon and mythicstats that Seismic Reverberation talent is more widely picked over Concussive Blows. Isn't 5% extra dmg for a target you kick preferred over an extra whirlwind hit, thought those don't deal much dmg by themselves?

[signal zinc]

but the weakaura just pops up all the time in execute phase, is that right?

[paper aurora]

Very random question should I macro my recklessness with avatar or generally press both separately?
I saw critcake delay the avatar cast by a sec or so in mythic nexus and wasnt sure what to do as standard
Also I generally cast reck right before charging to get more rage upfront right?

[burnt oxide]

I have a macro for both and recklessness and a seperate keybind for reck. This way you can essentially use it midfight this way, while still being able to precast reck before charging for more rage

[prime bane]

i'm not finding a good time to press cursed stone throughout the rotation other than at the beginning

[paper aurora]

Usually before a fight do i reck immediately before charging? Or reck and avatar then charge?

[burnt oxide]

Reck->charge->avatar

[paper aurora]

Ok thought so, thank u!

[burnt oxide]

You dont lose that much if you use reck and avatar together, but it is suboptimal

[radiant egret]

Is it only spamming RB and pressing exec when you have 3 stacks? Or when do i press exec in the rota

[paper aurora]

Think there's a weakaura for this one?

[radiant egret]

idk using luxthos

[paper aurora]

tysm got it

[static shuttle]

guys should i go for more haste`? cause all the mythic raid furys have like 6k haste more

[remote bobcat]

raidbots.com

[signal falcon]

Copying someone’s stats in the hope of emulating their damage doesn’t really work

[static shuttle]

thats what im telling my raidlead 😄 but he doesnt consider boss position etc

[remote bobcat]

Are you Tongol-Blackmoore?

[static shuttle]

yea

[red grail]

How does that work though. What is the difference between reck/avatar -> charge and reck-> charge -> avatar?

[remote bobcat]

i looked at your gameplay, you are not doing multiple optimizations

that others are doing

[static shuttle]

what u mean by multiple optimzations?

[remote bobcat]

For example, you are not running wrecking throw on Plexus Sentinel to break the intermission shield, you are not doing the proper opener, you are not clicking raging blows after bladestorm

[iron portal]

That is a lot of impactful mistakes then

[teal badge]

Interesting, we're using the Liquid pack and didn't see it on prog this week.
RL might just not have configured it with the note. Will check - thanks!

[remote bobcat]

and you are not upholding your enrage very well

[static shuttle]

yeah thats what i saw too

[static shuttle]

but that info i will mind it

[prime bane]

so the cursed stone trinket, i liked it in theory. i do press it at the start but within the actual rotation i cannot find a place to fit it

[remote bobcat]

this is your fractillus opener and its simply wrong

you can easily find the proper opener online or in other logs

[signal falcon]

Should just press it before Avatar no?

[static shuttle]

can u send an opener please

[burnt oxide]

You lose a gcd during avater(and a gcd from recklessness) due to traveltime from charge

[prime bane]

sounds great... in t heory

[remote bobcat]

this is the proper opener

[static shuttle]

so i charge with reckles and avatar

not when im there

[prime bane]

why wouldn't you charge with just reckless?

[remote bobcat]

key differences:
Recklessness BEFORE charge
Rampage immediately first GCD
WE DO NOT CLICK ROAR IN SINGLE TARGET EXCEPT AS FILLER ITS BELOW BLOODTHIRST
Raging Blows after Bladestorm while Enraged

[fiery tide]

its simpler to just macro avatar and reck together

[prime bane]

I do it too but doesn't make it correct

[static shuttle]

ok will try it next rt

[remote bobcat]

its simpler to just macro ```#showtooltip Avatar
/cast Recklessness
/cast Avatar
/cast Blood Fury(Racial)
/use 13
/cast Charge

@static shuttle your uptime also kinda sucked on fractillus

im guessing u generally have uptime issues

[static shuttle]

was my first time there, have a realy slow learn curve

[static shuttle]

yeah thats probably it

thanks for the tipps @remote bobcat

[prime bane]

what's your /use 13

i assume a trinket

[fiery tide]

it is

top trinket slot

[prime bane]

which one tho

is being used

[remote bobcat]

I dont use a trinket rn, its jsut in the macro for when i do have a trinket

i have 2x passive trinks rn

[fiery tide]

there is no good on use for st

its just there incase you using something like house of cards or somehing similar

[prime bane]

in my case it would be cursed stone but pretty certain i gotta be in melee range for it

[remote bobcat]

yea i checked, I had 3% downtime on our kill mainly due to getting a dumb amount of break knockbacks instead of spawns (we can keep uptime during wall spawns but not as perfectly during breaks), you had 7.84% downtime

on fractillus

mythic

@winter shoal what is this wowa suggestion?? 😭

[static shuttle]

whats this side?

site*

[remote bobcat]

https://wowanalyzer.com/report/b182d97TPCFzjRQH/15/16

[prime bane]

what is the incorporeal essence-gorger?

[drifting token]

Wdym what is it

[fiery tide]

its a trinket

[red grail]

Oh damn I thought reck and avatar were off gcd

[prime bane]

i haven't seen it before lol

[drifting token]

They are

[burnt oxide]

They are... What i meant is you not being able to attack your target due to range, therefore you have the traveltime from charge, which should be around a gcd in time, in which you dont actually attack and therefore not profit from it

It is a very small optimization

You can just ignore it and be fine

[prime bane]

idk how reliable wowanalyzer is

it's telling me to use that trinket too and i do not have it

[drifting token]

You still pop them before charge tho to benefit from double rage gen

[burnt oxide]

Yeah reck for double

Most important thing is, that you have 80 rage instantly for rampage, so if you delay avatar or not does not really matter that much

[smoky vigil]

how are yall syncing cds? ive noticed reck n bs come back prior to avatar, so i usually send those together, maybe bs naked sometimes just due to cdr but seems like always have it back for ava/reck + gs. havent seen any guides yet that talk ab this just want to make sure im doing properly

[drifting token]

All your CDs are almost always on a be desycned because they all have different sources of cdr (or no cdr at all). It'll come down to your judgment of if you will need to delay using one a bit to wait for another upcoming lineup or to just send

[smoky vigil]

fair so feelycraft it is, ty

[warm crag]

Press everything on cd or as it makes sense, you can hold bs if reck is <15s away

[stiff barn]

Was about to say that

[smoky vigil]

sweet, appreciate it guys, ty

[drifting token]

Yea I try to somewhat shoot to have reck for every other bs more or less

[smoky vigil]

also whats our haste breakpoint? when do we start going for mast/vers?

[warm crag]

There are none you should personally care about

[drifting token]

Your sim will tell you that

[remote bobcat]

there is no such thing as a stat breakpoint

[warm crag]

Sim top gear and dropzimizers and try to delete the concept of breakpoints from your brain its no longer 2008

[warm crag]

Nerd emoji this is not true

[remote bobcat]

shut up spongie

you know what i mean

ANGERY

[smoky vigil]

interesting, coming from outlaw and some builds need ex 9~/19-20~

will sim

ty

[remote bobcat]

i asked my rogue guy, he said thats bullshit they also just sim

shrugeg

[smoky vigil]

ya idk ive always gone with it just to have something to aim for gearing wise while playing

another "goal" per say idk lol

[remote bobcat]

Like that ?

i mean

why go for a hunch

when you can literally sim your character

[smoky vigil]

true

[drifting token]

I know on my enhance every new expac it literally feels unplayable until reaching certain levels of haste later on but yeah numbers different story than feel

[remote bobcat]

Enhance feels like shit with low haste but you still deal more damage based on what sims tell you, not what "feels" cleaner

[drifting token]

That's what I just said with slightly different words

[remote bobcat]

yea fair

[plush zephyr]

Fire mage is the worst at lower levels lol

[sullen tendon]

There are still diminishing returns after you hit a certain % in each stay

[prime bane]

what's t he %?

[sullen tendon]

So other stats become more valuable becuse you are getting more actual percentages per star point

[prime bane]

mastery with fury for example

[sullen tendon]

Mastery it’s like 60-65% or around there

[prime bane]

alright cause it felt like i had no issue reaching 62%

[modest condor]

i mean that does influence it but it's not the reason

the reason is that 1.6*1.1 is higher than 1.7*1

[prime bane]

they used to show soft and hard caps on guide sites

they don't now for some reason

[plush zephyr]

Pretty sure there’s a post

[modest condor]

because we have raidbots now

[plush zephyr]

But it’s very outdated

[gleaming siren]

When was the last time a class had an actual attainable hard cap

[modest condor]

bfa

[plush zephyr]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/diminishing-returns-on-secondary-stats-in-world-of-warcraft

This

[modest condor]

bfa s4 was special

[gleaming siren]

Right, Corruption memes

[smoky vale]

schmidi

[gleaming siren]

Gala

[smoky vale]

when was the last time i crashed out

[gleaming siren]

Today

[smoky vale]

[viral shore]

you guys running the of m+ build or the standard one and why? I can't decide 😄

[prime bane]

?

oh, odyn's fury

[viral shore]

it always seems like my dps drop a lot when I'm on a boss in m+

[prime bane]

i'm standard

[viral shore]

don't know if of is worth it for me :/

[prime bane]

i would think that's anyone

[coarse nest]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/fury/slayer/DAOBUVBUFRBYVIpRUBUNVUFUUBVRRahQRCEQEFVVUBF

I run like this, can play around with talents on the class side

[viral shore]

mhm so you run no bt at all

[coarse nest]

OF cook was fun but it’s just not that worth imo

No the only time you ever cast BT is from unhinged proccing it basically

BT does like 2% of your overall

[viral shore]

Well yeah but don't you miss Focus in Chaos or is it negligible?

[sullen tendon]

i hope priory of the sacred flame is never in the dungeon pool again

[prime bane]

lol

[smoky vale]

priory is fun

[prime bane]

it sucks soooo much as melee

[coarse nest]

It’s negligible

[sullen tendon]

its not even a melee problem

healers constantly die in it

[coarse nest]

I like priory too

Paladin pulls kinda suck ass but you just get good I guess

[sullen tendon]

I cant make the healer better

[smoky vale]

you can

[sullen tendon]

they jsut die to random shit constantly

[smoky vale]

leave group find a new one

[coarse nest]

Just bring gio on Rdruid

[nocturne salmon]

lol

[coarse nest]

Can’t die that way

[smoky vale]

only healer i have an idea of playing is shaman

[nocturne salmon]

heal it yourself

[smoky vale]

and mw

[nocturne salmon]

[smoky vale]

i do

[viral shore]

thanks I'll try your build. 🙂

[smoky vale]

death strike

[nocturne salmon]

lol

[coarse nest]

Glhf!

[winter shoal]

Idk auto-generated probably, I haven't done anything with trinkets

[prime bane]

what build?