fury

[coarse nest]

That’s an easy talent point swap you could compare in a sim

If you wanted to confirm for yourself

[restive peak]

Run it with haste on

[olive wraith]

It’s not gonna be a massive change either way I’m sure

But ya. Super easy to check

[ornate gust]

spark burst? will check it.. thanks

[coarse nest]

Idk man I try to get rid of that belt

[olive wraith]

I keep fucking my weekly 10s overall

[coarse nest]

Nothing I have beats it until 717 belt

[undone flower]

When I was holding the infamous skyreaver 2 weeks ago I had to switch to haste effect on my belt

[coarse nest]

And that’s with Crit chain

Not even haste

[olive wraith]

Bladestorm timing is funny when things die so fast

[mental obsidian]

guys how do you track slaughtering strikes stacks for rampaage after bs

[olive wraith]

You don’t

[coarse nest]

With a weakaura

[olive wraith]

You probably never hit 5 rb

[coarse nest]

Or yeah just don’t lol

[elfin sage]

Frenzied Enrage or Powerful Enrage? to 14+

[drifting token]

frenzy for life

[olive wraith]

Sim question. I’m liking powerful rn

[coarse nest]

I always run frenzy

[restive peak]

Frenzied

[coarse nest]

I don’t even bother simming it since I like the feel of frenzy

[olive wraith]

Extra second of enrage is kinda nice

[restive peak]

We fuckin love haste as slayer man

Swap your belts, run frenzied, we want haste

[elfin sage]

hmm i am playing arms since s1 so i am a bit lost on this new fury slayer hahaha

[devout totem]

press raging blow

[coarse nest]

I never unlocked the haste belt effect so I’m donezo

Or can I go back still? Lol

[elfin sage]

the problem with fury it's the input lag that i have

[summer quail]

can go get it

[coarse nest]

Sweet curious if it’s better now

[mental obsidian]

if i am at 26k haste should i change to powerful enrage ? 🤔

[devout totem]

sim

[undone flower]

on soulhunter in 30 min slayer it seems it is

[coarse nest]

All the haste in the world

40 gorillion hastes bis

[summer quail]

highly doubt it, frenzied gives more haste the more haste you have as well. it's not flat %

[coarse nest]

Glgl

[undone flower]

thx i feel it's gonna be me waiting ranges to do all the stuff until the bosses die

[coarse nest]

Like most bosses lmao

Poor ranges always getting the raid jobs

[olive wraith]

I need to swap to alchemy next tier

[undone flower]

I'm here to zug

[devout totem]

on fractilius i was peace chilling melee range while hearing all the ranges whinning about the movements

[mental obsidian]

so bascily (new fury player there)
i maintain enrage as much as poss
using all cds asap (enrtage is a must)
there goes the main concept of the rotation

for aoe we add ww buffs

[unique forge]

Is this a good damage distribution? I tried simming with dungeon slice and it looks like I press RB way too much. But I wanted to hear your guys opinion first. It's an overall damage for FLOOD +10

[maiden monolith]

someone got a simple number whirlwind WA for me?

[coarse nest]

If that’s flood you could have higher reap

As a best guess

[unique forge]

Okay, so I don't necessarily press RB too much?

[plush zephyr]

mines baked into my wa pack but there are super simple trackers for that

Just look em up on wago

[coarse nest]

No not at all to me that would seem like maybe you don’t always have Bladestorm available at the beginning of a new pull?

[tender sky]

I feel like I’ve seen logs where reap is the top damage by a good bit, but that depends on pull size/dungeon

[unique forge]

Yes that is correct. There are multiple cases of that. Is that a thing to keep in mind? I kinda hesitate with Sudden Death procs as I understand they're most important not to have 2 stacks at the same time

[willow cradle]

Just instal the prior version

[coarse nest]

Yes definitely you want Bladestorm at the start of every pull so you just have to practice game sense of “can I get it back off cooldown if I send it now before next pack”

[unique forge]

Yea okay so even more RB

[tender sky]

If there is one thing to focus on, I think its it’s to have bladestorm available for a new pack

It’s not necessarily RB, it’s playing the overwhelmed minigame

[unique forge]

Okay I was not aware about the bladestorm at the start of the pull, as long as it was available during the pull

[coarse nest]

Bladestorm applies overwhelmed stacks to all targets it hits
Overwhelmed stacks make your raging blow proc reap

[tender sky]

RB only procs reap with overwhelmed up, so thinking about RB only isn’t the best way to think about it

[coarse nest]

See the importance of that synergy?

[sleek cargo]

Slayer or thane for araz prog?

[unique forge]

Oh really, that's insane. Alright okay I see. It's really important then. I will focus more on that. Tysm guys!

[coarse nest]

Sure thing! Good luck!

[iron portal]

You also got more mellow over the last year 👀

[tender sky]

The hard decision imo is knowing how fast you can get bladestorm back and knowing when to save for next pack vs when to send on cd, since all of your aoe is gated behind doing bladestorm first

[coarse nest]

I don’t know how it is in 10s but for reference I’m usually able to Bladestorm twice in a pull at +15 and pretty comfortably get it back before next pull

Depends how much the other dps are cranking

It’s really a case by case judgement call

[iron portal]

In a positive way of course

[sterile stratus]

In 10s you might have to hold the second one

But that's about it. Still crank just by hitting reaps

[tender sky]

There’s definitely a world where you send the 2nd bladestorm in a pack, then use BT for the first couple cycles on the next pack and fish for procs to get the BS up

[midnight sierra]

As I understand it, when we don’t have bladestorm up for the next pack we want to use Bloodthirst once to get up overwhelmed on our targets and then just continue our regular rotation?

[winter shoal]

I played thane, slayer probably better if others are milking adds

[tender sky]

Since overwhelmed stacks I think you use BT until BS is back up

[olive wraith]

You’ll need a few stacks of overwhelm

So gotta bt a few times

[midnight sierra]

Alright cool appreciate the help guys. Think I got it

[mystic monolith]

what should i take from my vault? not the best of options?

[tender sky]

I think you’ll get BS back up before you cap overwhelmed stacks, so the rotation is split into “before you BS - prio BT” and “after-prio RB spin2win”

[midnight sierra]

Makes a lot more sense to me now. BS gotta really pay attention pack to pack

[toxic glacier]

how do you handle sudden death executes etc during this?

[olive wraith]

Run a sim. My guess is ring

[olive wraith]

Follow the prio still

[midnight sierra]

Oh yeah do we still follow the exe weak aura or is not relevant in this m+ spec

[mystic monolith]

yea i did run a sim and for ST the ring is the best but its shit stats for fury and only 7k increase over my 694 ring lol

[tired copper]

so what the play in keys now slayer ?

[midnight sierra]

I have developed a Pavlovian response to the cha Ching

[olive wraith]

Stats are stats(did you remember to socket)

[ornate gust]

Do you guys play Frenzied Enrage or Powerful Enrage when playing Slayer in m+ ? For me, the PE sims higher than FE.

[mystic monolith]

yea i added max sockets for the sim

[coarse nest]

Bro are you living in the future!?

[olive wraith]

Then run powerful

[coarse nest]

[mystic monolith]

haha what do you mean?

[coarse nest]

It’s Monday and you posted a vault pic

[olive wraith]

6 day old vault

Lmao

[coarse nest]

Just cracked a funny for what it was worth

Hehe

[mystic monolith]

haha yea i was gone all week so couldnt check till now

[chilly fractal]

I’d have skipped town too if that were my vault

[edgy widget]

I've never sandbagged or hid shit like some classes do

I'm one of the few TCs that actually asks Blizz to nerf things that are clearly out of bounds, lmao

instead of trying to hide it in the hopes that people won't realize

[chilly fractal]

Archi is all about real bags

No sand

[olive wraith]

Does Bm currently use dark ranger

Or the other hero tree

[fast mural]

i think they switch with with the new tuning

[fading sky]

8.5 % to a spec that blasts😇

[fast mural]

so they would go to dark ranger

[olive wraith]

This most recent timing seems…. Busted

[iron portal]

I meant in here but fair

[olive wraith]

That phantom pain thing is wild

[vestal parcel]

Is it worth making a nameplate tracker for Overwhelmed? I have tried for 20 min and don't seem to have any succes.

[edgy widget]

na, you don't really need to

[olive wraith]

I don’t think so

[devout totem]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1398980835822272664/image0.gif

[edgy widget]

Bladestorm will apply the majority of your stacks, and Reap will refresh them
so you can really just base your RB use off of "have I bladestormed this pack yet" and unless you somehow end up off target for 15s+ you should have no fear of them ever dropping either

[south kayak]

They're gonna start using Dark Ranger for raid

Pack is still M+

[vestal parcel]

Makes sense, thx for info

[ebon idol]

what secondary stat do we want to get from secret technique?

[median marsh]

Why is it recomended to use rempage on 115 rage and not just asap?

[late forum]

wich trinket are best for M+

[median marsh]

Wowhead guide on bis gear show it all

[shut jetty]

I think im ready to make the transition into Fury...

[radiant plank]

Damn check the new bluepost

Whoever was the guy struggling with the HOA

[shut jetty]

I just hope I got enough haste/ mastery gear

[radiant plank]

your day is on reset

Reduced the numbers of Depraved Obliterators and Depraved Collectors near each Shard of Halkias.
Reduced the density of creatures in the courtyard before Echelon.
Enemy forces requirement reduced by 10%.
Stoneborn Slasher enemy force value increased by 50%.```

Holy goated changes

[ornate gust]

Is it true that we need to use nightly build if want to sim the new hotfix?

[modest condor]

yo halls is free now

[radiant plank]

Latest even

[modest condor]

yes, also use latest

[ornate gust]

Thanks. I kept using the weekly build !

[radiant plank]

The only time you should ever sim with weekly

is that if there is a massive disclaimer on this discord or raidbots stating that nightly/latest is broken

[sterile stratus]

Good lord those are some big nerfs to AK and halls

[radiant plank]

Yeah good

Hoa WR1 keys are like 2 levels behind t he rest

[rocky sequoia]

how much do people usually trade loot for? like the omega ring from forgeweaver

[quaint stag]

Good dungeon tuning and we escaped any nerfs. It’s a good week

[rocky sequoia]

everyone whispering me to buy it but i dk how much to let them buy it from me for

[radiant plank]

State like 500k

and see how they offer back

[hot rampart]

has the aoe prio list been updated for fury slayer? I don't have evidence to back this up but I feel like I should be prioritizing rb even higher than execute kachings or rage cap

[uneven dragon]

for these i dont know if i saw the "new mythic+" build last time i looked but i assume you just send that now?

[drifting token]

Slayer for everything yes

[uneven dragon]

alr tyvm

And for m+ is fury or arms better

[feral ivy]

i want to DIE with these declines.. and my key keeps turning into keys i dont need

[runic acorn]

Is the lack of ST with other specs what really makes slayer work? Because thane does more damage on higher targets

[uneven dragon]

i heard arms was giga ass this season but i'm returning from a long af break so i wouldnt actually know

[young swan]

fury betta

[uneven dragon]

ty

[young swan]

arms still playable

[uneven dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/coke-shake-gif-10345312455443749330

[young swan]

but fury betta

[uneven dragon]

no no

its okay

[coarse nest]

Bro they just haven’t read the wowhead article yet your time is coming!!

[uneven dragon]

i'd rather not cleave atm

[feral ivy]

about to post in the application "LOOK AT WOWHEAD"

[coarse nest]

😂

[sullen dove]

Cinema

rest of changes who cares

[coarse nest]

Whatch it work too and then they mention it when you join

“Thanks for the update”

[sullen dove]

no 5 casters in 20 mob pull w

[subtle marten]

when this go out

[iron portal]

very nice

[radiant plank]

-10% count bigger

[coarse nest]

I hope the put other mobs there…

[sullen dove]

don’t care perish casters

wicked bolt mfs

[coarse nest]

Don’t want to be fighting 3 shards 1T at a time

[feral ivy]

i wonder how much the guardians cost now

[coarse nest]

The little turds that run around don’t count

[limpid magnet]

I dont want to break up the discussion, but is there anyone who's keen on giving me some 99percentile questions/tips in dm? hmu ❤️

[radiant plank]

naw

[gilded pawn]

i would say anything above 90

a lot of it is luck

above 95 rather

[limpid magnet]

I agree

[coarse nest]

Ye that’s what fishy always told me when I was starting out in mythic years ago

95 ish means you know how to play and understand the encounter

[limpid magnet]

I am just abit lost this xpacm rotationally, might be age and bad pc catching up I dont know

[coarse nest]

99/100 means you got good rng

[limpid magnet]

Rampage seems to just be to maintain enrage?

[heavy folio]

you guys play spear on forgeweaver?

[limpid magnet]

then spamm rb

[polar narwhal]

Means you have to kill more packs...

[gilded pawn]

these basic questions can be answered through wowhead

[runic acorn]

I don't play spear at all anymore. Too anoying, rather just dragon roar

[warm crag]

used to but since the 4p fix i kinda cba you can check what ppl ran on top logs tho

[limpid magnet]

Surely they can, but I couldnt make it out and I prefer to discuss it!

[warm crag]

maybe your raidlead wants you to spear for control

[trim hound]

only because i'm assigned it for CC

[heavy folio]

same, but feels like schockwave is enough

[runic acorn]

Yeah I could see CC but then you could also just shockwave and storm bolt. Whole raid should have plenty of CC

[olive wraith]

They reduced the % needed

[blazing ingot]

what do people tend to be using spell reflect on for nexus king, using to potentially block banishment dot or for claws dmg?

[iron portal]

Wild tanka appears

[limpid magnet]

ah shiet bro

help me

[polar narwhal]

[round dew]

are these better than using spark on wrists? :D (in general)

[fading sky]

No

[round dew]

okay thank you very much

[iron portal]

Sub bro

[unborn sparrow]

is rallying cry a must now? i thought it was suboptimal in 5 man content

[sonic shoal]

Any cursed stone idol macros?

[covert coyote]

not a must if you're going for max damage but I always run it because you can save your party if you're paying attention to their hp

[blazing ingot]

@eager thorn did u get an answer regarding reflect on nexus king m ?

[coarse nest]

Nah gotta bite the bullet and keybind it

[warm crag]

what is the question

[eager thorn]

nah

ive just been sring the soaks

[eager thorn]

i asked what was best to sr, conquer dot or claws

[warm crag]

sr the soaks or the end of the banish cast if you have it up

claw sr is good but you can just dstance those

[eager thorn]

saving for end of dot sounds good tbf

but ye claw can just def stance

[runic acorn]

Odyn's fury/Thane/New Slayer, what is your guys' favorite now or do you just swap based on dungeon and comp. Leaning towards Slayer but I really like the simplicity of Thane rn. Thunder clap itches my brain.

ST just seems so forgotten in most comps with so many people running high AOE talents

[soft merlin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1414694191245688842/6b5afc1fbe457dbf1d68fd25906e76a0.gif?ex=68c08022&is=68bf2ea2&hm=b56a8154146c4c52fc13802852469bfbcbd7cba3cc44fda76b5a52bb3b77e4c0&

[warm crag]

just doesnt seem worth to hold sr for claws

[runic acorn]

Fair response

[warm crag]

youre out of melee anyways and the 15% is enough if you charge out of the claw

[blazing ingot]

ye I usually just sr banish dot for the % dr

or soak

[warm crag]

only part of the banish dot that matters is the final one and you can just full deflect it

[blazing ingot]

Oh that I didn't know

[warm crag]

if you time it right it can even hit a group soak if conquer is the first cast he does

[runic acorn]

Has anyone liked running Odyn's Fury build? ST just seems more valuable if you can get comparable AOE and most comps being light on ST

[mental obsidian]

feels like i use rampage more often than raging blow lol

[lavish pond]

most high elo fury warriors use slayer so..

[ornate gust]

I play Slayer with OF.. I enjoy it. It is ~0.1% dps lose to the standard Slayer build.

[warm crag]

just seems grief

lose 3% st gain 3% aoe great your meters look better but you won't time the key

[edgy widget]

if you enjoy Thane, play Thane - if you're not seriously pushing keys, you really don't need to worry about performance metrics

go

[median marsh]

Why is it recomended to use rempage on 115 rage and not just asap?

[radiant plank]

cuz rb deals more dam

[slim coral]

I was legit just typing that

[compact knot]

rage is fake as fuck

thats why

[drifting token]

Look at ramp as an enrage maintain button or an engine to proc rb resets

[gusty cloak]

so its always rb rb then ramp?

[signal jolt]

if i have waaaay more mastery then haste (21k mast, 13k haste) should my cape enchanment be haste instead of mast

[compact knot]

sim top gear

but probably

id just keep it mastery perma

[signal jolt]

oh it sism those now?

sims*

[compact knot]

yeah

its below the gems in top gear

[signal jolt]

awesome ty

[coral isle]

https://tenor.com/view/sweats-gif-25346666

[edgy widget]

better Enrage uptime, really

• if you Rampage at 80, you need to generate a full 80 rage to Rampage again
• if you Rampage at 115, you only need to generate 45 more rage to Rampage again - you may not need to Rampage again after 45 rage, but you can if you do find yourself in a position of Enrage falling off for some reason
  real combat isn't static - you move around, run out of range, chase mobs, lose uptime, etc

[coral isle]

waiting for the rest of the tuning

[compact knot]

its done

only thing left is raid tuning

[coral isle]

im not resting on my laurels till it's 5pm PST

[median marsh]

tyvm guys!

[frank dawn]

I'm kinda surprised nobody got nerfed, but idk, at same time it doesn't seem like anything is really that big of an outlier either. Frost DK can still pop off sometimes

[frank sonnet]

so guys, which build is now recommended for high m+ keys- still mountain thane or slayer, after latest changes?

[frank dawn]

play the one you prefer, but slayer damage profile is generally considered a bit better

[warm crag]

is latest simc borked

its just throwing an error for me

[edgy widget]

link it

[warm crag]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1TFkfCxhHythJM15s1pEsx

[wary smelt]

Frost pops off at 60+ mil with the right pulls lol

[sullen tendon]

thank god

[edgy widget]

looks like a raidbots specific issue, I'll let them know

[sullen tendon]

fuck ara kara

no mention of fixing the evade bugs though

[frank sonnet]

not sure if raidbots is updated thou, because in sim it shows still a major difference between those two

[runic acorn]

I like both really, it's just nice using thane since you are mostly slayer all the time with raid. And being able to compete if not be better with higher targets is solid balancing. I just imagine the extra ST is simply so much more valuable with most other classes leaning so hard into AOE for most comps.

[frank sonnet]

~500k dps in favor of mountain in dungeon slice scenario

[feral ivy]

archimtiros with the connections

[digital mauve]

So if there's a nerf incoming , when do we expect it ? Next reset? If it's not nerfed next reset we can assume that we're safe? Or are we gonna live the entire season with the fear of the nerf?

[fickle bobcat]

i have an question i dont know how to explain in m+ it shows me rampare or raging blow or execute is rdy (usuable)but i press button and it doesnt work,i have to make first something else(attack)then it works !!!!how can it be?

[edgy widget]

should be fixed shortly

[runic acorn]

Fury isn't broken. A nerf would make no sense. With our lack of utility, this type of damage should be baseline if not higher.

[feral ivy]

is there a site that shows if u time a key from time A-B-C u will get that many +++

[warm crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1294680138042183711/1386642077970075698/oYZwS.gif

[warm crag]

ty

[edgy widget]

yeah, over the course, Fury pulls ahead, but it isn't as though you can't play Thane, especially if you're just doing weekly key type stuff

[digital mauve]

Yes but blizzard doesn't understand that, it was alywas like this for years

[edgy widget]

succeeding in M+ is actually very rarely about damage at all, it's about living, kicking, stopping, and pulling effectively
yes, you can compensate for some of that with more damage, but unless you're doing really high keys for your gear level, it is extremely unlikely that a clean key ever fails because of a lack of damage

[olive wraith]

on my way to the big boys club

[runic acorn]

Did you mean to say fury or do you mean Odyn's fury build or slayer?

[fickle bobcat]

i have an question i dont know how to explain in m+ it shows me rampare or raging blow or execute is rdy (usuable)but i press button and it doesnt work,i have to make first something else(attack)then it works !!!!how can it be?

[edgy widget]

Odyn's Fury build is a Slayer build

Thane should never play OF, it just doesn't fit into the rota

[runic acorn]

Right but you said fury pulls ahead of thane lol, you mean OF?

[digital mauve]

I believe @edgy widget post on WoWhead(if it was really his) was a clever move, so that even if we got nerf, the wide audience will know of the fix we got and why important it is as it was nicely explained in the post. Now if we got nerf, we can expect maybe another post asking why we're the only one being nerfed? Cuz I believe that even if the other class get nerfed, it wont be as significant as ours...

[edgy widget]

what competes against Thane?

[runic acorn]

Slayer, but there is a OF build and a non OF, right?

[smoky vale]

slayer

yes

[runic acorn]

To me the ST is more valuable than the 3% tradeoff to AOE on Odyn's fury, but could be wrong

[olive wraith]

That’s fine

It’s dealers choice

[iron portal]

seems like we have decent season ahead of us, just maybe boost the bottom a bit and its all good

[chilly fractal]

What are you dealing?

[olive wraith]

[iron portal]

Lizards

[olive wraith]

Man all the 14s in lfg are ones I already have

Where’s all the keys I need

[frank dawn]

yeah I agree, I really wish they'd throw Windwalker a bone. Conduit of Celestials playstyle this season is so fuckin' fun lol. But tuning is very sadge after they nuked the tier bonus the week before launch. Like it needed to be nerfed, but proper compensation never came (especially in M+)

[dense elbow]

OF is less than 3%, it comes closer to 2% on overalls. In keys it simply does not bring enough a punch to be worthwhile - so anyone who says the "AoE damage" is worth, should get taken out back and sent to the happy farm. OF is quite bad, and only for special interested ppl

[edgy widget]

I mean

OF doesn't contribute a particularly high amount of damage no; arguably 3% damage for a single talent point isn't even a bad return on investment, it's just not particularly exciting for what is supposed to be a "defining ability" either

[frank dawn]

POWERFUL and SIGNATURE

[chilly fractal]

Yea like Onslaught

/s

[dense elbow]

At this point, just make it a damage amp on WW passive

[frank dawn]

[dense elbow]

complete the flattening

[edgy widget]

no

[olive wraith]

Of feels pretty good for burst(boss ads) and general qol

Of into bladestorm feels so good

[frank dawn]

I don't think anyone is arguing that OF doesn't feel good

it's just kinda poopoo tuning

[dense elbow]

^

[edgy widget]

The real issue with OF isn't even that it's not strong enough in AoE - you might argue that it's not, but the real issue is that it's completely worthless in single target (as in, not even worth pressing)

Fix that, and OF would fit in much more comfortably

[gilded pawn]

straight up not worth it?

interesting

[runic acorn]

ST just seems to be more valuable for us considering the state of other specs leaning harder into AOE and not getting the best of both worlds like we do now. In a vaccum OF is comparible, but the intangibles of common comps makes me think you would just want the 3% ST rather than the AOE

[gilded pawn]

im suprised that OF and roar are both in this state

[edgy widget]

You're not going to get OF to be worth 10-15% of your damage without nerfing the crap out of something else though

[olive wraith]

The only time I press it is when I run out for mechanics lol

On st

[dense elbow]

Same time as you press roar, hell yeah

[runic acorn]

They overcorrected due to how bursty we were

[analog kite]

so was the fury blue post about a bug fix or a buff?

[frank dawn]

what blue post xd

[gilded pawn]

hypothetically having target caps would allow them to have a lever to tune ST and AOE separately

but they choose not to

[dense elbow]

Archi is now a bluepost

[edgy widget]

there was no bluepost, but it was a bug fix; see #updates-midnight

[iron portal]

There is no war In Ba Sing Se

[chilly fractal]

Let’s have them replace OF with a capstone that Auto casts Whirlwind when we rampage

[iron portal]

So you can afk half the key?

[frank dawn]

no need to replace OF just let it be good lol

OF is fun

[analog kite]

ahh i thought this was a bluepost:

https://www.wowhead.com/news/fury-warriors-reap-the-benefits-of-unannounced-hotfix-in-season-3-378438?utm_source=discord-webhook

[dense elbow]

Nah, just make OF turn WW into OF in name, and give that WW a 10% of value as DoT.

[edgy widget]

it's called Fan of Longswords, and no - that's gonna be a Slayer hero talent

[edgy widget]

no, that's a horrible idea

[dense elbow]

ofc it is

[thin cliff]

Don't do that, don't give me hope

[edgy widget]

nope, the whole point of the article is that the change wasn't announced! lol

[chilly fractal]

Just as long as it works when I have axes and maces equipped /s

[edgy widget]

fan of long handles

fify

fan of longhafts

fan of long shafts

[dense elbow]

Ok Thrall

[frank dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-star-trek-gif-19129737

[dense elbow]

go back to the SLs

[chilly fractal]

Fan of Fans

[runic acorn]

I don't understand why Blizz was ever scared of our burst. Without utility warr's only identity is damage and a raid buff.

[chilly fractal]

While whirlwinding decrease the temperature for your party members if they are a little hot

[dense elbow]

1% less firedam taken, sounds fair

sure

[chilly fractal]

Extinguishes Fire Mage abilities but buffs Frost Mages and DKs

[dense elbow]

oh no, we are overcooking it, we are turning into blizz devs!

[frank dawn]

some encounter designer got piss in his cheerios in season 1, then they went and gave half the classes in the game even more burst than we ever had in season 2

[chilly fractal]

Some Blizz Dev that plays tank and couldn’t hold aggro and got yelled at

[edgy widget]

So real talk, my fix for Odyn's Fury is just to add 5s Avatar proc to Titanic Rage

• it makes the button actually useful in single target
• it makes the button better in multitarget
• it retains the theme of "jumpstarting the rotation" by applying important buffs for quick burst
  that is not to say that the direct damage cannot still be tuned, but just that one change would cause Odyn's Fury to become part of the prime M+ Slayer build

for actual single target (raid bosses), I'd rather improve Onslaught than use Odyn's Fury though

[gilded pawn]

would you put the new odyns torment under odyns or avatar

[edgy widget]

to Titanic Rage

[dense elbow]

While a fix, it just turns the button into another hurricane JR effect

[hoary agate]

poggers, slayer fury making this easy work

[gilded pawn]

ah

mb

[edgy widget]

no it doesn't?

it's not even close to hurricane

[runic acorn]

But you see, the titans and Odyn are the bad guys in lore next expansion, so therefore we are going to nerf Warrior. Thanks for coming.

[gilded pawn]

funky prefers if a spell does the damage by itsel

[dense elbow]

Hurricane Jr, ya buffing the buttons that come after, and that is where the value lies

[gilded pawn]

instead of being a buff vehicle

ya

[dense elbow]

not in the button dam itself

[edgy widget]

almost like Titanic Rage already does that

[gilded pawn]

which is very reasonable

[dense elbow]

Almost like I dont like hurricane Jr effects

[chilly fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/whatsupwithdat-the-rock-the-hurricane-gif-16288006

[edgy widget]

like I said before, Odyn's Fury is not going to be a major damage button unless you nerf the crap out of other stuff elsewhere

• while I understand some people may want OF to be the main source of AoE damage, that's just not likely to happen

[hot rampart]

has the aoe prio list been updated for fury slayer? I don't have evidence to back this up but I feel like I should be prioritizing rb even higher than execute kachings or rage cap

[edgy widget]

but the issues with Hurricane were that it was tied to Bladestorm, a channeled ability with a variable cooldown

and the issue was more for Arms than Fury anyway, since that channel was so much longer

[frank dawn]

I feel like that's part of the problem since for whatever reason fixing Onslaught isn't on the table. OF being powerful is fine if you are sacrificing something for it, but since all of our capstones are mostly garbage they buff OF and it's just used in everything...blah blah etc. I still have to think we have bigger changes coming in Midnight to bring our talent tree more up to the "modern design"

[dense elbow]

I rather take the 20% avatar added value of dam, into the raw dam portion of the ability. Even if that means blizz gotta actually tune the ability up when other things gets buffed to keep up.

[edgy widget]

I mean anything is tunable, it's just a matter of "what's important right now" - despite issues with some of their talents, Warriors actually play and perform pretty well right now, so spending a lot of time rebalancing things that are already working isn't necessarily an efficient use of dev time when other classes have bigger problems

[dense elbow]

I am a huge fan of press the button, do the damage.

[runic acorn]

I have a feeling that Blizzard likes certain buttons to be powerful only for a certain amount of time. Odyn's Fury had its time and they want it to be barely viable to let other styles shine.

[edgy widget]

I'm sure you would, but that would continue to leave it garbage in single target, which is the same issue it has right now

[chilly fractal]

I just hope the Apex talents are actually cool

[edgy widget]

increasing 3% of your damage to 3.6% isn't going to change anything

[dense elbow]

Only if they deem that 3% is the mark

[edgy widget]

allowing the button to increase your ST by 20% for 5s is definitely going to have a bigger impact though

[dense elbow]

Ofc, dont disagree

Not what I want from my node button tho, if I wanted Wake I would play ret

[edgy widget]

again, you're not going to have OF doing 10-15% of your damage without severely yoinking back on other sources of damage

which means Bladestorm, Reap, or passive cleave

[verbal plaza]

any good trinkets i should chase besides antenna?

[gilded pawn]

why cant titanic rage do something stupid like "light your sword on fire, making your autos do X fire damage and Y to targets nearby"

on top of the attack speed buff

[edgy widget]

that's Dancing Blades

and it's ass

[gilded pawn]

ya

[runic acorn]

I don't think bladestorm and Odyn's fury will be good at the same time ever again.

[edgy widget]

becuse autos don't contribute a meaningful amount of damage

[gilded pawn]

just tune dancing blades higher

thats why i say X fire damage thats independent from autos

[edgy widget]

you can, but turning an AoE button into a single target one unnecessarily infringes on Onslaught

[gilded pawn]

so it benefits from mastery and such also

onslaught is already infringed

just like my rights

[dense elbow]

That do be why it is suggested that OF should buff other things, instead of do its own dam. Very zz, but efficient

[edgy widget]

it comes down to what you want buttons to do

[plush maple]

Are you getting declined less? If you are pugging

[iron portal]

Last time Auto Attack was meaningful amount was prob with RF in BFA

[edgy widget]

yes, a lot of people just like seeing big numbers and caring about damage, but not every button can do that

[dense elbow]

Fair, but the Big Dam button could do that

[iron portal]

And RF was only good for pure ST anyway

[dense elbow]

It isnt RA, it is OF

[runic acorn]

Make Odyn's fury replace rampage and go insane lol

[junior gale]

OF at this point just shouldn't exist. If it's not allowed to do dmg on its own. Same with onslaught. No point in adding buttons to the talent tree if their not gonna be important for fury's gameplay design. Ie onslaught the ST option and OF the AOE option always

[dense elbow]

If I wanted to play divine storm, I would play Ret

[edgy widget]

again though, you end up with two buttons doing the same thing (in Bladestorm and OF)

I'm not saying Odyn's Fury shouldn't do damage, but I do not see a future in which it has comparable dam

and as a die hard OF fan, that's bad for you, I get it, but it's just reality of the situation

[dense elbow]

I agree, that is why I am in the camp where OF should cannibalise something. Be it Roar or perhaps even BS

[runic acorn]

This is why I'm convinced Blizzard likes to rotate which buttons are good. Odyn's fury will be good again at the expense of something else.

[edgy widget]

OF can't cannibalize Bladestorm, because Slayer revolves around it
and Roar is in a different tree

[edgy widget]

I mean they do, kinda - they purposefully shake things up from time to time to create variety

[frank sonnet]

any info abt that? @edgy widget ?

[edgy widget]

between what two, you've given me no information

[frank sonnet]

still thane is like ~500k better in dungeon slice scenario

[runic acorn]

The way they are leaning into hero talents with Midnight, though... I don't know if OF will get it's time to shine again until at least TLT. Thematically would make sense too.

[dense elbow]

Even if Roar is in a different tree, it can work as a mod. Aka, OF overwrites Roar, as an example, when taken. Not impossible to do, we got the technology.

[frank sonnet]

i know that is just a sim, but not sure if its included in raidbots at all

[lavish pond]

I do more damage with Thane, wtf...

[dense elbow]

Not a suprise, if ya talking overall

[junior gale]

Called high rolling procs

[dense elbow]

Thane is far from being bad on overall - Slayer just really good at it as well, and got more prio dam

[edgy widget]

they could, but they're not going to lmao

[iron portal]

if only roar knocked mobs down

[dense elbow]

Hey, then it is done, OF can only be a buff button forever more

[iron portal]

Would be at least interupt outside of Stun DR

[edgy widget]

sim diff - Dungeon Slice is mostly low-target cleave, whereas a real M+ is mostly high-target cleave

[junior gale]

Or roar could just be deleted at this point a long with spear

[dense elbow]

What would take that spot tho, in the class tree?

[edgy widget]

Condemn!

[junior gale]

Anything

They can make up anything

[edgy widget]

fwiw, I think Roar should stick around, though it definitely needs a little love

[runic acorn]

If you want to sim multi I would just do patchwerk and up the targets.

[edgy widget]

but Spear should be replaced by Condemn or something similarly single target leaning

[dense elbow]

Yeah, one ST (prio dam / funnel dam) option, and one mass AoE option would be neat

[young swan]

need sinful surge back..

[junior gale]

Not condemn but yeah class tree needs a good ST option to compete with roar

[young swan]

but for avatar...

[junior gale]

And roar needs some buffs man like ffs

[lavish pond]

So, Thane for M+ and Slayer for Raids?

[wispy thistle]

I really want condemn back. The only reason i stayed venthyr for so long

[runic acorn]

Venthyr Fury was so much fun

[junior gale]

Thane is dead in M+ if your serious about going for title it's slayer in keys all the way

[barren zephyr]

condemn is anathem to what execute is about

[edgy widget]

I think Condemn could work pretty well, with some targeted adjustments to make Slayer care more about Execute than just Sudden Death

• it obviously leans more Slayer than Thane/Colossus, but that's fine as long as Roar also gets some decent improvements

[viral shore]

do you have 4p?

[lavish pond]

Yes, i can see that. but atm I do more damage with thane..

[austere onyx]

Fellow fury warriors, what spell queue window are you using?

[dense elbow]

Default

so 400?

[lavish pond]

No, still 2p, waiting for Weekly reset to get it

[edgy widget]

experiment and find something comfortable for you, but never go lower than 150

[runic acorn]

What could they realistically do to dragon roar to make it better? You start changing stuff and suddenly we are "Too bursty" again

[junior gale]

You don't even have 4pc play what you want it doesn't matter

[austere onyx]

Thanks. 400 almost feels laggy with alot of haste

[drifting token]

you cant compare anything without 4pc it literally makes or breaks the spec

[dense elbow]

Make it a longer bleed, is an option. Make it buff our damage on other abilities for the duration is an option. So on and on.

[lavish pond]

yes, i know. But when i get it. then i guess its SLayer all the way..

[dense elbow]

Roar never was a burst tool tho

[junior gale]

Yes

[lavish pond]

yes i agreee

[iron portal]

Oh you dont want to open that can of worms ...mostly cause of pvp 👀

[viral shore]

I did more dps as thane before 4p as well. just didn't click with the slayer build before 4p. (I suck generally though 😄 )

[dense elbow]

Hey, if you dont click with Slayer

play Thane

[inland spruce]

My Thane build is still simming 5-10% higher than Slayer...
What "Fight Style" is everyone using?
I'm 710 w/ 4pc

[heavy folio]

I use reck+ava 1sec before pull then charge but still dont get 80 rage for rampage at times, am i stupid?

[inland spruce]

M+

[lavish pond]

Im waiting for 4p to get my conclusions xD

[junior gale]

Then why are you talking back saying you do more as thane

[frank sonnet]

i got answer just a sec ago: sim diff - Dungeon Slice is mostly low-target cleave, whereas a real M+ is mostly high-target cleave

[viral shore]

ping + 100 is generally what is advised I think

[dense elbow]

Where does this notion that Slayer is just better than Thane at AoE come from?

[runic acorn]

its value comes from the ST boss damage

[lavish pond]

cause NOW without Thane i do more, and i wanted to check if anyone else has the same "problem"

[young swan]

mostly just that its WAY more consistent than thane

[chilly fractal]

Thane can High Roll like a god

[junior gale]

If you use Dslice your gonna be fooled

[young swan]

thane has higher topend

[dense elbow]

Yeah, but ppl talk like Thane is shot and drowned

[young swan]

but if u arent getting at minimum averagely lucky on every pack, let alone the big ones, ur just fucked

[dense elbow]

Hm, that bad eh?

[junior gale]

It's not a problem it's just your not playing this patch of fury yet. The patch doesn't start till you got 4pc cuz the game is balanced around you having it

[young swan]

i mean, it kinda is, slayer is more consistent and just astro gaps on prio and bosses

[viral shore]

I think its just that slayer with 4p feels so much more fun and less clunky than thane

[lavish pond]

Yes yes i get it,

[inland spruce]

Okay, so "dont" run it as D-Slice and run it as what, patchwork +7 targets? 10 targets?
How long is the fight? Just curious for some level of baseline running

Thanks

[young swan]

thane isnt even bad per se, slayer is just way to easy to replicate high damage

[runic acorn]

Thane is still viable for high multi target. It's the ST damage from slayer with comparible AOE at lower targets that puts Slayer in a better position

[dense elbow]

Well, I wont disagree on the funfactor, nor thought about it

[lavish pond]

I add 5 targets

[iron portal]

Slayer also slaps Bosses

[young swan]

the consistency is massive

[dense elbow]

Slayer do slap bosses, but it always have

[lavish pond]

and 5 minutes

[junior gale]

Just ST sim MT Sims are a meme anyways

Cba

[dense elbow]

Do ST sim as prio, but do a 8t sim just to make sure you dont get too scuffed

[inland spruce]

Sounds good - I'll try those

I do like the Slayer 'feel' more than MT overall

[runic acorn]

A 5 target patchwerk and a 10 target can show some disparity as well just to give you more info

[dense elbow]

5t is just based on your 1t either way

[sleek parrot]

man slayer is so much fun to play, glad its finally meta in m+

[viral shore]

I usually do 1 target and 5 target. should I go for 8 target and why? o.O

[frank sonnet]

at 10 target patchwerk, got like 2m diffrence in fawor of thane

[runic acorn]

Yeah, high targets will lean towards thane

[dense elbow]

Hell yeah, ask tank to keep that target count+ even on bosses

for max thane value

[junior gale]

Wowie so cool AOE Sims thane better

Must mean thane is the goto wowie

[dense elbow]

Well, lets not push it so far to tell ppl not to play Thane tho

[frank sonnet]

will try slayer by myself anyway, just saying 😄

[runic acorn]

Thane is fine. Slayer is just more valuable.

[open prairie]

thane prot just reminds me

how meh thane feels on fury

comparatively

[sleek parrot]

slayer just plays better

[dense elbow]

Smh, what if you already bring a VDH and BM, ya dont need the prio dam from Slayer then (as much)

[junior gale]

Slayer is just better completely. No amount of extra AOE or high rolling is gonna make up for the massive ST diff and consistent aoe

[dense elbow]

You say that till MDI pulls dung in 3 packs

[junior gale]

Slayer still gonna do competitive aoe

[olive wraith]

Each dps picks diff prio

[junior gale]

Not like TB is any much better than reap

[olive wraith]

3 prio targets die

[runic acorn]

The best reason to run thane is because you like thunder blast and are getting burnt out on playing slayer for everything

[dense elbow]

Not gonna be the same tho, and ya know it

[junior gale]

Both are 8 target soft

[restive peak]

Slayer also does massively better ST

Thane does good ST still, but slayer is another planet

[dense elbow]

that point is mentioned

lets see

about at

3ppm

[olive wraith]

Thane is also a little easier

[restive peak]

mostly = AOE with far better ST = slayer is better in all senses

[junior gale]

Will be a minor AOE diff that doesn't matter cuz you will be playing with 2 other DPS specs that will have big aoe and do that job for you

While you crank on bosses

[dense elbow]

Nah nah

cause you play only with funnel specs

trust

[open prairie]

funnel specs are cool

until the lead invites a ret paladin

terrorist spec

[dense elbow]

Arms should be a funnel spec

ya cant change my mind

[runic acorn]

Yeah literally just bloodthirst and thunder lol

[open prairie]

rets are the bigger padders

in this game

[warm umbra]

Boomie

[dense elbow]

Nah, rets beat out boomie pad

by a landslide

[olive wraith]

Seeing overall in dawn makes me sad lol

[warm umbra]

Played it to 3,5k last season

[junior gale]

Bad boomies and rets are gonna storm and Starfall when they should be doing the opposite

[warm umbra]

Its the easiest ive played

[dense elbow]

that hammer splash goes wild wide, and not hard

[warm umbra]

By far

[open prairie]

yet the average boomy player

has 1 braincell

on a good day

[dense elbow]

They are chickens, what ya expect

[warm umbra]

Starfall was about 60% of my dam on stix

60-65

[fickle bobcat]

i have an question i dont know how to explain in m+ it shows me rampare or raging blow or execute is rdy (usuable)but i press button and it doesnt work,i have to make first something else(attack)then it works !!!!how can it be?

[runic acorn]

I am fine with other classes doing insane uncapped AOE as long as they do shit tier single target. We have to have a reason to exist, and being good at both ST and AOE should be Fury's identity

[open prairie]

Yeah the crazy part of stix was seeing boomies not press it

enough in the situation they should be

[warm umbra]

Its litterall the only button you press

On recycling

[dense elbow]

That would bring us back to being bottom DPS by ish 10-20% again on the overall tho

[open prairie]

nah you taunt to get first recycle

🍹

[runic acorn]

Really just gotta find a way for some classes to be actually better at 5 targets and some shit at it while they ramp up when at 8 targets+

[warm umbra]

Treants astrall allign starfall for 20 seconds every global

[young swan]

im lik

so sure

tclap is soft 5

but i cant find anything to back that up

[gilded pawn]

tclap is soft 5 ya

[junior gale]

I'm like not that sure it's 8 target I'm just assuming cuz that makes sense

[gilded pawn]

maybe blast is soft 8?

[junior gale]

I forget sometimes

[gilded pawn]

blast also soft 5

[young swan]

im looking at the spell data on wowhead and theres this, which I assume is the point that the scaling kicks in

[junior gale]

Reap better confirmed

[hoary agate]

I seem to be getting a few more invites but then again I'm trying to apply for comps that already look like they are setting up a melee team mostly

[chilly fractal]

All I do is Reap Reap Reap no matter what

[hoary agate]

so chances are higher, i.e aplying for hunter, feral, monk keys etc or with a sham heal

[junior gale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1413241837900005386/reaptech.gif

[restive peak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/284226322585354241/1413178488713642104/GIF_20250904_160623_708.gif

[chilly fractal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1413197405561819256/reaptech.gif

[open prairie]

mages are banned

[open prairie]

finding a mage that doesnt do half of everyone’s elses damage

is an achievement

[junior gale]

Cuz most mages are bad

Just how it is

[open prairie]

Yep

[gilded pawn]

you need to count AI though

big dps gain

[warm umbra]

Tbf arcane isn’t face roll

[runic acorn]

mages are either 40-50 year olds and clueless or literally firedup

[junior gale]

They all want to be firedup but are never even close

[open prairie]

Ima be real if a tank tells me they actively watch yoda

thats a red flag too

[dense elbow]

ye

that is fair

[warm umbra]

I hate yoda

Milking the tier list propaganda

So that i cant get grp

[open prairie]

I like when creators self admit to making up nerf %s

[junior gale]

Yup that's clearly why you can't get a grp nothing else

[open prairie]

for clickbait

[sullen dove]

“But he only considers top of the line world level keys” ☝️ 🤓

goofy mf

[dense elbow]

The reason for me not getting into the key is not because I have fallen behind the curve on score and gear, IT IS THOSE PESKY INFLUENCERS!

[warm umbra]

If content creators didnt make tier list u wouldn’t see enhancement frost aug every single key in s1

[elfin sage]

it's that ok for 711ilvl with 6.7 overall on a HOA 10?

[dense elbow]

sure, its ok

[elfin sage]

it's seems strange to me o keep up with whirlwind and spam of raging blow

[junior gale]

Those damn tier list makers! They stopped me from getting groups, stole my promotion, and fucked my wife!!!!

[elfin sage]

sometimes seems better to just spam the raging and not use whirlwind

[junior gale]

?

[dense elbow]

plz dont

[junior gale]

You good mate?

[dense elbow]

WW gives you the buff that cleaves the RBs, allowing you to get the reap procs

[junior gale]

What God foreseen disaster lead you to that conclusion

[elfin sage]

makes no sense i know, it's just a feeling when playing

because it's procking reap all the time lol

[chilly fractal]

You have burnt nerve endings?

[dense elbow]

Fair, feelings are feelings, just know those feelings are not close to reality of the situation

[junior gale]

Yeah because WW cleaves RB which procs more reaps

[warm umbra]

Not without meat cleaver

[junior gale]

[open prairie]

ngl in s1 it was maybe a 20% chance i grouped with an aug that didnt feel like they were actively slowing the key down

with their shit dmg

[warm umbra]

Yes rhis is my point

They dont care

[chilly fractal]

100% chance the Observation Evoker was just getting carried

[junior gale]

You should stop trusting your feeling mate something might be wrong with you

[warm umbra]

They see s tier

They invite

[open prairie]

i dont think anyone who was good at aug

[warm umbra]

Exclusively

[open prairie]

liked playing aug even

thats the funniest prt

[jaunty pike]

hello sorry to interrupt did the fury fixes make fury better than arms for m+?

[elfin sage]

kkkkkkk i know, i dont trust on my self

[junior gale]

Are you going for title this season and or world first keys?

[dense elbow]

Who knows, perhaps Kahuu is the luckiest person alive, and would reap all the possible reap procs either way

[open prairie]

“meta tank” moment

[junior gale]

Still would do less dmg cuz not cleaving RB

[jaunty pike]

prob do like 15s and call it

[junior gale]

[dense elbow]

nah nah

cause 1 more reap = more than one WW

[slow drift]

feels like overnight it's become impossible to get invited to pugs

did someone drop a meta video or tierlist or something?

[dense elbow]

you just fell behind the curve

it is what it is

[slow drift]

im 3.5

[junior gale]

Then play what you want arms still has good AOE dmg. Fury is better tho especially for pushing when the ST dmg matters

[slow drift]

🙁

[jaunty pike]

ok! ive noticed my boss damage lacking maybe ill give fury a try

[junior gale]

But if your just doing 15s and under it don't matter any spec can comfortably do keys at that lvl

But fury is more fun than arms these days

[dense elbow]

pretty sure arms can do a 15

[junior gale]

Only thing arms has going for it is the big bonk this season

[warm umbra]

Jesus christ how condescending can you be

Get it together

[jaunty pike]

good to know i started playing warrior alt like 5 days ago and am doing like 7m overall in 690s still feels nice lol

[junior gale]

You good mate?

[chilly fractal]

What would’ve made this even better is if the mage used lust

[dense elbow]

Pretty sure arms can do any key

[junior gale]

That's what I said

[dense elbow]

Pretty suuuuuuure

[open prairie]

idk dont mage players whine

[junior gale]

You like repeating what I say

[open prairie]

about pressing lust

due to their 2nd lust shit

[dense elbow]

Dont start a lust convo

I dont want another lust convo

[coarse nest]

So can legs

[elfin sage]

blasfemia

[hot rampart]

guys I need the world to know fury slaps. not getting invited to keys yet

[dense elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[hot rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1414077026855288872/reaptech.gif

[junior gale]

As an arms main the spec is dogshit cooked burnt to a crisp and needs God

[dense elbow]

Ok, hurry do this:

1. Dont be behind on rio or ilvl
2. Dont fall behind on rio or ilvl
3. Play like your rio depends on it
4. Profit

[hot rampart]

I promise I am!

[quiet breach]

rerollers are arriving to our discord, is this what it's like to be meta chat

[dense elbow]

It will only last a few more weeks

dont worry

we back to doomin soon enough

[jaunty pike]

i main evoker i am at one with u

[junior gale]

Yeah when we get nerfed

[chilly fractal]

Buy some 714 BoEs, bump up that Bag ilvl

[hot rampart]

not top dmg, rerolling

[fast mural]

should have had a monk in there

[shut jetty]

Learning fury in +13s is not the one haha 😅

[dense elbow]

If ya beat a DH, ya should prob whisper him to delete his char for being bad

[chilly fractal]

No flame

[shut jetty]

It seems easy on paper but its so fast paced I am choking 🙁

[hot rampart]

see that surv hunter though? who knew

[elfin sage]

which enchant are you guys using for each 2h?

[hot rampart]

he slapped

[dense elbow]

I knew since the launch of this season

[fast mural]

cause surv is actually good

[junior gale]

Swap to powerful enrage if that's your issue

[chilly fractal]

The vers one and the haste one I think I’m using

Just sim them all on both

[dense elbow]

Master x2

[fast mural]

but hunters hate melee so the only surv players are melee rerollers

[chilly fractal]

Go with the robot

[shut jetty]

I think I just need to give it more time

[dense elbow]

I can gain 0.1% going from mast/mast to mast/vers btw

[shut jetty]

I swapped from Arms and went straight into 13s

lol

[smoky vale]

@warm crag gn

[junior gale]

It genuinely is an option if you want it they both sim pretty equally of each other

[smoky vale]

@gleaming siren tell him goodnight

[quiet breach]

just spam rampage/RB 1212121212 whenever ur noggin gets too coggied

[coarse nest]

It’s almost like having mob control is what makes keys succeed

Wild

[dense elbow]

Almost like that would make Col Arms really strong

[uneven pilot]

It hasn't been pushed out to curseforge yet

[hot rampart]

I wish col arms just had some st

I would play it in a second

[deep plover]

So if I'm getting this right, Slayer for M+ is viable but slightly worse then Mountain Thang. Like, just play the one you like best close?

[dense elbow]

Just bring a DH and or BM, then let em handle the ST

[smoky vale]

no

its ahead

[quiet breach]

wrong, slayer is best for m+ and raid

thane is rip rn

[junior gale]

Just play with two heavy ST DPS specs

[deep plover]

Oh ok, thanks, I guess I misread it

[quiet breach]

only fight that's undoubtedly a thane fight is soul hunters

[junior gale]

Thane is dead but play what's more fun cuz thane isn't bad

[coarse nest]

Idk about that

Slayer pretty cool on that boss too

[dense elbow]

Glad more and more are helping push the important part of: Play thane if ya want, it aint bad

[quiet breach]

crackling thunder too good

[dense elbow]

[junior gale]

You can play either or on soul hunters

[warm umbra]

Pretty sure soul hunters is a slayer fight

[junior gale]

Thane just gonna be easier to play

[fast mural]

litteraly doesnt matter

[warm umbra]

Araz might be thane

[fast mural]

araz is slayer

the hell

[junior gale]

Araz is slayer

[summer quail]

slayer on everything

literally everything

[coarse nest]

Slayer cranks on araz

[quiet breach]

I used to think Araz is thane but since starting to prog it I think it's slayer now lol

[summer quail]

check rankings. slayer on demonhunters as well

[warm umbra]

Then every fight is slayer

[quiet breach]

mythic araz

[fast mural]

only since last tuesday

[junior gale]

You do actual boss dmg as Slayer. Thane is just high rolling add pad

[fast mural]

to be fair

[warm crag]

you can arguably still play thane on araz its fine

[junior gale]

Yeah but your just padding at that point

Slayer does good add dmg too and way better boss dmg

[fast mural]

unless your group struggles with ad dmg

[warm crag]

you also will never hard enrage that boss ever again

[mental obsidian]

how to deal explosive big aoe dmg on combat start

[gilded pawn]

play colossus

[quiet breach]

i need to figure out a slayer build for Araz that has champions spear

[smoky vale]

hey you didnt go nn...

[quiet breach]

do I just take the point out of thunderous

[junior gale]

You underestimate bad guilds

[fast mural]

just switch roar for spear

[quiet breach]

and put it in champ spear?

[warm crag]

right click roar left click spear

[junior gale]

Who are still progging araz

[clever belfry]

labubu rocket

[warm crag]

labubu rocket

[quiet breach]

it sucks tho cuz I can't use it as a damage tool

[knotty nest]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nA1DHvGkgQZMFLdj?fight=last&type=damage-done

[quiet breach]

i am basically the emergency add CC guy

[warm crag]

roar does 3 dps

[quiet breach]

lol

[warm umbra]

Alot of guilds

[knotty nest]

hey boys i just did a key

i know it a +10

but i wanted to ask if its good or bad

i feel like reap the storm didnt procced as much

if any1 has the free time i would appreciate it ^^

[junior gale]

Play slayer and take no roar and put that one point into spear basically no dmg loss

[fast mural]

so you dont take shockwave ?

[quiet breach]

did u bladestorm at the beginning of every pack

[junior gale]

Only press spear to cc

[quiet breach]

I do

[gleaming siren]

@warm crag gn

[knotty nest]

i didnt had it at beginning of every pack

[fast mural]

and you keep spear for emergencies ?

[knotty nest]

do i wanna pool it for every pack at start ?

[quiet breach]

there's your problem, make sure you have bladestorm to put overwhelm on all the mobs so u can proc reap

at the beginning of every pack

[fast mural]

its a 10

[quiet breach]

in high keys you can often bladestorm twice on one pack

but in a 10

prob only once

[knotty nest]

ahhh

[fast mural]

packs die to quick to get it every pack

[knotty nest]

i actually used it on cd thats

[quiet breach]

if pack is low don't use bladestorm again hold it for next pack

[knotty nest]

i noticed it aswell that my debuff didnt go off so i was like i should hold it for every pack

[quiet breach]

bladestorm is what unlocks the reaps

[chilly fractal]

either throw in more executes or go for the meme and use Storm of Steel

[knotty nest]

perfect thats why i did not more dmg

[junior gale]

[fast mural]

how long do packs live in your 10s

[chilly fractal]

depends on the group

If I'm carrying BS will be up

[quiet breach]

r4von do u understand the insane amount of CDR we get from mfe and AM

u can absolutely have BS once per pack in a 10

without storm of steel

[fast mural]

if a pack lives for 15 seconds we wont get BS back

[chilly fractal]

If I'm in a good group of geared people the pulls will likely be large enough BS would be up too

depends on a number of factors

[open prairie]

just group with a mage

they only do half the dps of a regular player

usually

[olive wraith]

can confirm. mages bad

[fast mural]

only 99% of them

had an arcane mage in a 12 doing 5mil overall

[olive wraith]

oh like this mm

14 gambit

[fast mural]

typical gambit experience

[mental obsidian]

so kinda insane big single target dps but no explosive busrt

[fast mural]

thats the opposite of collossus

is the issue that you get aggro ?

easiest fix is to get a dev evoker in your group so mobs go to him

[thick fossil]

That seems kinda low on everyone. Meh, still beat the huntard and Rouge.

[olive wraith]

Ya boss damage was awful

Dragon took 4 mins even with lust

First boss took 4 minutes

Was 11 mil before first boss

And then it just kept getting dropped hard

Should also mention I am quite bad

[rain tiger]

which guides are most up to date? iv or wowhead

[olive wraith]

Wowhead is updated

Iv is written by the same guy so my guess is that it’s updated as well

[zenith moat]

Heys, usually what deals more damage: a single rampage or a raging blow + reap proc?

[olive wraith]

Why would this matter?

[burnt stone]

Hi guys.
I've heard that Fury Warrior has gotten quite powerful, so I'm revisiting WoW.
There doesn't seem to be a special APL for M+ or multi-target (8+ targets) on SIMC (Raidbots). Even if the conditions for Execute provided by APL are met in multi-target battles, is it better to use RB? Or is it better to just cast Execute?

[zenith moat]

Because if rampage deals more damage on my main target and my group needs more prio damage, rampage would be better in this specific scenario

[olive wraith]

Cow farmer!!!!!

[worldly spoke]

so as slayer in keys i see im not pushing RB enough and im pushing alot of rampage... am i suppose to not care about being rage cap then i assume?

[bitter palm]

🐐 🧑‍🌾 👑

[olive wraith]

Depends on a few things. Rb increases ramp damage

[zenith moat]

I have no idea how to measure this though

[olive wraith]

It’s better to just follow the regular prio.

[zenith moat]

Ive seen noxiv not overcapping and critcake overcaping, Im very confused

[modest condor]

it doesnt matter

[olive wraith]

It’s within variance

You can do either

[zenith moat]

Oh okay

[burnt stone]

Last season, I saw an APL where BT was given higher priority than Rampage or Execute for RtS activation in multi-target battles (8 or more targets), but this time, I was curious because there were no such conditions for RB in APL.

[modest condor]

we checked and it makes no difference

[ancient matrix]

eeee

[burnt stone]

If APL fluctuates depending on the number of targets, using M+ for a long time can be confusing.

It's convenient and good that there is no change in APL according to the number of targets.

[ancient matrix]

was hack and slash changed?

[olive wraith]

No

[ancient matrix]

seems to take target count in aoe into consideration now, getting 30 times in row 2 raging blow charges back on 5+ targets, this wasnt a thing before no?

or am I cooked?

Wrote to Archimtiros but no reply

[uneven dragon]

How mandatory does antenna feel for m+ or can you perform competitively without it and just using m+ trinkets

[devout totem]

AraKara tinket, Pacemaker from floodgate and cursed idol for hoa are good atm

[sullen dove]

🐮 🧑‍🌾 👑 🧎‍♂️

[burnt stone]

I haven’t played WoW for a long time, and now that I’m trying to get back into it, looking at the APL feels a bit difficult since the RB conditions are split into several parts. Of course, I do understand the reason—it’s to cover different talents, haha. Even though RB is divided into three separate conditions, if you simplify it, it basically just means: “Cast RB if your rage is below 115.”

[sullen dove]

@dapper goblet he returns

best warrior in skyhold

baze WHO

[south kayak]

what happened here lmao

[burnt stone]

I did pull-ups every single day while I wasn’t playing WoW, all to become a stronger Fury Warrior. lol

[junior stream]

Yo

[thick fossil]

Test?

What happened to the server? It died for a moment.

[lean nacelle]

discord things probably, happened to a bunch of other servers i'm a part of

[olive wraith]

Still bugging for me

[deep stag]

Hey guys, how do you macro ur cds ?
i use macro for reck/avatar, simple
"/cast Recklessness
/cast Avatar"
And when i checked the logs it seems it was used other way around ?

[sullen dove]

think most of the time reck should be first

but also logs are likely to do something like reck > charge >avatar

but dont rly think it matters if u hit avatar before charge or not

just reck at least b4 charge is good for extra rage

[dapper goblet]

🐮 🧑‍🌾 👑 🧎

[devout mauve]

anyone got a really good slayer gse?

[livid lake]

Yeah this spec is broken

To be fair aug and pi but still

[slim coral]

Finally

I'm unbanned

[coarse nest]

And we’re back!

[undone flower]

Undeserved.

We didn’t kill soulhunters

[bitter palm]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1170378356588552214/1414735745737953492/image.png?ex=68c0a6d6&is=68bf5556&hm=f4d41bdf752cf0578d247afaede21fc4fdda64c55affc173c73ed5626d6a105d&

gg spec

[smoky vale]

hi king

[burnt stone]

Nice to meet you. By the way, what do people think about picking something other than CSHB in the M+ talents? Like Critical Thinking, for example.

[quiet breach]

unironically would have been better to PI the prot paladin iirc

that's how bad we are as PI targets lol

[grim star]

any other classes that play like Fury of high apm but pretty simple?

[livid lake]

I feel like a lot of fury players like outlaw

and vice versa

[junior gale]

basically the same specs

[junior oyster]

My go-to alt is enhancement sham

[junior gale]

just outlaw will be harder for most

[glacial flicker]

outlaw after killing spree changes looks sooo cool

[junior oyster]

or feral, but feral isn't high apm lol

[summer quail]

outlaw very fun, just get a weakaura that tells you when to press roll the bones. then the spec isn't that hard

[prime bane]

does anyone know when the apl is gonna be changed to match what everyone else seems to be doing to increase dps?

[summer quail]

no thinky

[livid lake]

I would never suggest someone play feral

Mostly just between convoke and bad balance almost always

[grim star]

lol i'll give outlaw a try

[prime bane]

a really really good feral druid that has mastered it entirely will surprise the shit out of you

[frozen lake]

what are people doing

[junior oyster]

I've seen ferals fuck shit uuuup this patch. Only 2 of 'em, but shrug

Real good ferals are also just a different breed altogether I think lol

[prime bane]

well right now we are having to sim on nightly but what i am noticing on details is that people are having rampage dps being lower than bladestorm, opposite for me

[leaden tartan]

I have abandoned my shield and come back to fury now we're cool again. I feel like I should basically never press Rampage because it's wasting a potential RB>Reap proc. I might just remove rampage from my toolbar

[livid lake]

Oh for sure but convoke is just praying for 16 bites and then hoping your spec is balanced. They are either turbo broken or unplayable it seems

[livid lake]

How will you enrage?

[leaden tartan]

I didnt say i was going to think this plan through

[livid lake]

Real

[leaden tartan]

Fine, I'll keep the magic enrage button

[prime bane]

now i don't know what they are doing unless they are letting enrage fall off

[leaden tartan]

I GUESS

[tranquil dust]

Guys someone please help me, and tell me what tha hell am I doing wrong! I played thane last season, and this season until now, just picked up slayer, still getting used to dump the bloodthirst for the raging blow... Why is my Reap of the Storm damage so bad in either trash and bosses? I cannot understand, after looking at logs from others, I dont understand what I am doing wrong

My PSF 12 (learning slayer)