fury

[remote bobcat]

change ur weakaura icon to reap or no balls

ANGERY

[flat wigeon]

Is it worth pressing execute on AOE when WA tells me to or just spam RB until out of charges?

[fiery tide]

listen to wa

[potent sphinx]

Wait he has it shown?

[karmic crow]

Does Severe Storm change the prio of thunder blast?

I’m on my phone and am having a hard time finding it on the wowhead guide

[ornate gust]

I start executing my rotation blindly. RB, RB, Rampage, Execute, and so on.

[barren zephyr]

Anyone would suggest the Best video tutorial for war fury ? Trying to help out a friend 🙂

[remote bobcat]

i absolutely fucked in that priory 12

[split comet]

i've started just ignoring execute in aoe unless 3 stacks and spamming raging blow, seems to be doing more dmg overall

[fallow axle]

Sup y’all! I’m trying to find some ressource if there is new build for raid now since the tier set change. Any recommendations?

[remote bobcat]

@flat river

[remote bobcat]

#dps-faq

[remote bobcat]

TLDR: nothing in raid changed except some bosses prefer slayer over thane now

[fallow axle]

Thanks 🙂

[remote bobcat]

just enjoy the free added slayer aoe ykwim

click bladestorm -> more aoe

like nexus king salhadaar is so fun now

we destroy the p2 platforms

[burnt vector]

Do we place bet on when we get nerf

Blizzard won’t allow furry to have fun too long

[iron portal]

Would have beaten DK if i didnt die on one pull

[burnt vector]

What key ?

[iron portal]

15 Eco

[dense elbow]

Gz

I would say 5% his damage was your damage, but that belongs to the real carry of the group: Tung

[calm mantle]

Does anyone have a macro for stone idol with avatar + Reck?

[polar narwhal]

Use it with Charge

#showtooltip
/use Recklessness
/use [@mouseover,harm,exists,nodead] Charge;Charge
/use Cursed Stone Idol
/use Avatar

[split comet]

It does a lot of dmg

Sad to waste it on air

[polar narwhal]

It'll hit when Charge hits.

[split comet]

It AOE

[warm crag]

It usually resolves by the time your charge finishes

[split comet]

You want to be optimally placed

[warm crag]

Let your tank gather then reck charge shrug

[dense elbow]

Sounds like more work than worth, if ya got to minimise charge distance

[calm mantle]

I'd prefer it to just be Stone idol + reck and avatar since I generall just leap in roar then pop cds

[polar narwhal]

Leap doesn't generate Rage

[calm mantle]

Didn't say I played optimally

[dense elbow]

Dont need rage, if you enrage with BT

[velvet hamlet]

Is Frenzied Enrage in this talent build relay better than than Powerful Enrage? this is build I use in M+ got 31% haste and 53% mastery

[hardy bluff]

yes

[dense elbow]

these overalls seems very balanced to me

[digital mauve]

I usually macro Avatar and Thinderous Roar together znd send them after I charge but before I'm enraged ( bedore I send Rampage) Is it really a bad habit ? Should I really send TR after I'm enraged ?

[tribal siren]

hey guys, why target cap still exist ? why are we hardcapped to 5 ? 😂

[olive seal]

Bladestorm and Reap are soft cap 8

[bitter palm]

no it doesnt matter

roar does nothing anyway

[dense elbow]

We kinda aint, our main AoE dam is only softcapped

[supple laurel]

Why does droptimizer show a higher DPS value than my Top gear - current gear?

[dense elbow]

Cause it sims gear ya dont already have

[remote bobcat]

it's suboptimal for sure and people tend to call this sloppy gameplay but numerically it doesnt mean thaaat much.

[supple laurel]

nah if I check the "Current gear slot" it shows like 100k higher

[remote bobcat]

variance, probs

[dense elbow]

Was it Apo that was siming over and over again, to try to minmax his sim varriance?

I just remember that someone did

[remote bobcat]

i dont remember

[dense elbow]

Btw, talking about sims

I sim 4.2m now

Getting there

[remote bobcat]

whats the meme this time

u still simming OF?

in ST?

[dense elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/well-oh-gif-19009954

[remote bobcat]

my man

[valid pulsar]

why is the new odyns fury build taking uproar and thunderous wounds instead of cruel strikes ?

[remote bobcat]

bleed dmg up

[dense elbow]

Cause it is a very very minor DPS upgrade on OF to do so

ya bump it from 2-3% overall, to 2.2%-3,3% overall if even that

[valid pulsar]

wait so is it important to odyns after roar or before is that something that matters ?

[dense elbow]

"important", but yes that would be a theoretical pointless DPS increase

I would just take the crit, honestly

bigger executes are big dam

[valid pulsar]

alright

[dense elbow]

Man, I have started to go into camp: "Odyn's Fury overwrites Thunderous Roar", just makes it one button

The TR into OF is so damned clunky feeling

[digital mauve]

Thx for the replies guys

[dense elbow]

Would also allow them to have OF at least do 10% of your overall dam ez

[austere onyx]

So odyns fury is bis?

[dense elbow]

not that roar is good dam

Odyns is kinda bait, ngl

I love Odyns

and I dont find it worth

[remote bobcat]

not bis its just a bit diff

[dense elbow]

its really really weak

2% mastery and QoL with enrage prolonging that grants you more ramp dam from BS? Or get:

giga overall

[modest needle]

Ideally what are the best 2 dungeon trinkets we can run, idol with Pacemaker / Sac?

[warm crag]

do 3% more st damage you muppet

[dense elbow]

For me it is sacbrood and so'leah / stone

[austere onyx]

Sac + idol

[modest needle]

Fair, i thought it would be something like that, im sat farming floodgate atm for the sword

[valid pulsar]

raidbots says im loosing 4.1% singletarget in a 3 minute m+ boss fight with odyns °_°

[dense elbow]

Odyn's is pretty grim, yep

[warm crag]

gain 3% aoe to lose 3% st if all you're after is overalls you just go of

[dense elbow]

And no, in M+ you dont gain AoE dam from Odyns, as you cant always send OF - meanwhile raw stat is always helpful, even if ya soon abut to go into a new pack

[valid pulsar]

and i am not really gaining a lot aoe for that

[dense elbow]

OF is shit, even on burst AoE like adds spawning

it is 4% on fights with adds spawning

[warm crag]

if you're just after a weapon at all you'll be done faster in ecodome or gambit they both should just have 5 pieces to roll for

[valid pulsar]

though i am not even sure if i can sim that. sometimes i do 5 target 1 min or dungeon slice is that even something i can do for aoe sims ?

[dense elbow]

its so fucking bad

Do 1 min sim, at least OF will look a lot better then

[warm crag]

someone post the frog thing slamming raging blows gif i need to favourite it

[dense elbow]

I havent seen that gif

[cobalt relic]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1413511346548379739/GIF_20250904_160623_708.gif

[warm crag]

ty

[cobalt relic]

ur welcome bro

[dense elbow]

That aint a frog

[warm crag]

2 eyes and green -> frog

[dense elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/pat-pat-gif-24957682

sure thing buddy bud

what a happy little frog gif

[fresh cape]

still learning, do we use WW stacks until we have 0 then ww again, its a waste to use ww at 1-2 stacks? i find myself doing that accidentally sometimes

[dense elbow]

It is a 'waste' ye, you want to refresh after you sent the 4th stack and you got 0 left. but if you accidently press WW too early, it isnt end of the world on giga AoE, as it does "ok" damage now.
Just do your best not to have it happen

[hidden tinsel]

And do we keep spamming raging blow even when capped on rage? Say I still have ww stacks, still have 2 seconds of enrage but i am at 130 energy

Would it depend on recklessness?

[dense elbow]

As long ya are enraged and got meatcleaver stacks, yep

[warm crag]

i dont think thats right

[remote bobcat]

in heavy aoe clicking rampage too early feels shit

ngl

[warm crag]

it feels shit but you get your cds back as a cdr spec

[dense elbow]

If only our CDs did damage

:(

:((((((((((

BLIZZAAAARD

[remote bobcat]

reck doesnt do much in heavy aoe

bladestorm does, but u wanna play around baldestorm being rdy for next pack anyway

not optimizing dmg this pack

or else u do zero dam

[dense elbow]

I cant wait for next season, when this hurricane JR effect on BS is gone again

[warm crag]

at least the apl doesnt rb above 115 rage ramps and id assume thats up to date

[remote bobcat]

nuh uh

afaik its not optimized yet

for heavy aoe

they changed the % proc mechanics tho

which is good

[warm crag]

ya idk do whatever you'll blast

[gleaming siren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1413511346548379739/GIF_20250904_160623_708.gif

[remote bobcat]

schmidi u got wr16 right?

or smth?

19?

[gleaming siren]

19 I think?

idk I played like a garbage can and randomly did 100m less during the damage amp without doing anything different on the kill

[remote bobcat]

darauf lecker bierchen

ggs

[gleaming siren]

Just got carried

gg

[remote bobcat]

happens

[dense elbow]

Gotta respect ppl that are honest about doing not perfect

[dense elbow]

Ye, never perfect

[gleaming siren]

Oh I mean I also played bad

But the damage amp damage is crazy to me

I was 3% behind our other Evoker (with PI) over the whole night in damage amps

[gleaming siren]

And almost all of the difference is that one pull

[dense elbow]

[warm crag]

wcyd variance happens noober schmidi

[gleaming siren]

time to play a good MMO

[warm crag]

just crit more

[hazy storm]

on AOE Raid do you guys use thunderous roar upghrades over cruel strikes?

cause in m+ u use the upgrades

[dense elbow]

I would check what ppl do on lorrrgs to minmax

[maiden lagoon]

Can someone link the standalone whirlwind stacks tracker WA? I'm failing at search

[buoyant drum]

does someone know how long it usually takes Raidbots to apply class Changes like the Reap the Storm one into their apl?

feel like i cant really sim my character right now

[valid pulsar]

i saw a difference between the weekly and nightly build

on raidbots

[valid pulsar]

maybe that ?

[buoyant drum]

lemme check

[valid pulsar]

and if not try latest

[eager thorn]

based

[thick fossil]

lol, guess this guy thinks those classes are brain dead.

[buoyant drum]

It works now, i totally forgot about the Simc version option 😄

[buoyant drum]

tysm!

[coarse nest]

Another fantastic day to enjoy reap procs is upon us

[valid pulsar]

[red grail]

How do you guys manage keeping up with BT vs RB on a very short global cooldown?

[coarse nest]

well in what sense are you asking?

like the quick decision on which ability is the highest priorty?

[plush zephyr]

Hell yeah. I should hit 99 agility later this week.

6 months later

[sand crest]

15 priory, I hope to god they dont nerf slayer

its a banger

[hazy storm]

why are top tankers using charged bolts on ymthic raid for belt

whats the truth

[plush zephyr]

No way slayer goes longer than next reset like this but we’ll see. Putting up crazy raid st numbers.

[pale lava]

warrior players have such advanced PTSD that even when they lose overall they are still afraid that we'll get nerfed

[fiery tide]

start of season 1 left a big scar

[hazy storm]

anyone??

[remote bobcat]

ret IS braindead, hunter is ait

[clever belfry]

@gleaming siren noob

gratz on CE

[gleaming siren]

Thank andus

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-lol-elissa-slater-bb15-spit-take-gif-14857199341279431068

[thick fossil]

I agree, but man that's funny.

[oblique trail]

[sour frigate]

Need one for dk also

[red grail]

Yess

[coarse nest]

honestly, practice is the only way to get better at split decision making like that

[silver ibex]

Anyone know if oppressing roar affects spear root?

[flat river]

u fucked in the priory? 👀

[remote bobcat]

sure did

[remote bobcat]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/45?boss=62649&bracket=11&class=Warrior&spec=Fury&metric=dps

[flat river]

https://tenor.com/view/cinema-absolute-cinema-peak-cinema-salmon-jjk-gif-6981231960394212546

[remote bobcat]

like yea it was a cheeky casual +12

but the damage i did in a non monk group

[flat river]

not number 1, shame

[iron holly]

If I drop crushing force, where would I put those 2 points?

[remote bobcat]

wrecking throw i guess ?

i mean why drop it

we click bt often enough

[iron holly]

I was just reading the m+ fury builds thread and it says it can be dropped from the class tree, was just curious where they would go

[coarse nest]

Linc pointed out something I wasnt considering either, the BT talents still buff your unhinged BTs

[smoky vale]

yeah but bt sucks

[valid pulsar]

wouldnt you trade dam,age for nothing

if you drop these

[coarse nest]

yes

[valid pulsar]

just keep em

[coarse nest]

thats what I was getting at

[remote bobcat]

not if u get wrecking

wrecking in priory is good

for example

[hot rampart]

man I dunno what it is... I'm trying to have BS up for ever pack. trying to prio raging blows..

[tardy hedge]

ty for info didnt know its a think

[iron holly]

ok ty all, I wasn't planning on dropping it but the post didn't say what would be taken instead so I was curious 🙂

[tepid cedar]

know whats funny. he couldve done more

[hot rampart]

can't seem to get my Reap the Storm high

[remote bobcat]

ofc

[tepid cedar]

everyone is jsut copying the build, but removing cshb and putting it into rb at bottom is a dps increase in st and aoe

[remote bobcat]

i dont run cshb

shits ass

[tardy hedge]

this is how my overall looks as well, i have no clue how people doing so much dmg with reap the storm

[remote bobcat]

KEKW

[tepid cedar]

just rng brother

[tardy hedge]

exactly my point

[tepid cedar]

same as raid. u can have a same time fight, same amount of used spells and have a 600k dps diff overall

[remote bobcat]

RB > rampage at 130 rage while enraged

imho

its way more aoe

way more

[hot rampart]

Jesus lol

[coarse nest]

yeah thats how I play too

i let rage sit capped and keep spamming RB charges if im still enraged

[tardy hedge]

so u dont spam execute even if u got 2 stacks just blasting rb?

[remote bobcat]

exe at 3x MFE

[iron portal]

I only send on 3 stacks

[remote bobcat]

only

[iron portal]

In aoe

[tardy hedge]

Okay

[remote bobcat]

the thing is

[hot rampart]

And that's when weakaura does kaching right?

[remote bobcat]

i only send rampage early

if pack is about to die and BS is on cooldown

[tepid cedar]

its acutuialyl a dps loss. in the long run

[coarse nest]

yeah you dont care about munching SD charges in aoe

[remote bobcat]

otherwise i spam RB

[tepid cedar]

i did some sims with that change

[coarse nest]

you only care about mfe stacks not getting wasted

[remote bobcat]

even at 3 targets RB seems to outdamage rampage at 130 rage while enraged

[iron portal]

Afaik exe wa is only good to follow on ST or prio target

[tardy hedge]

so if i spam more rb reap the storm skyrocket?

[iron portal]

Could be wrong

[hot rampart]

How many rb casts?

[iron portal]

But i ignore wa in aoe

[hot rampart]

Interesting okay

[hot rampart]

So I just need to rb more and more

[remote bobcat]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/b3yZXcx48PmpM9tD?fight=1&type=damage-done

[hot rampart]

Jesus yeah you have 900 more rb hits than I do

[ornate gust]

guys.. do we use slam as a filler in this season when needed in single target? or WW?

[smoky vale]

ww

[tepid cedar]

dude

[ornate gust]

thanks ❤️

[remote bobcat]

filtered by parses and it looks funny as fuck

[remote bobcat]

what

[remote bobcat]

whirlwind is better than slam rn even without improved whirlwind talented

[tepid cedar]

and to think august 21, this was literally godly dps on a 15 prio

[remote bobcat]

cuz of a buff in season 2

[tepid cedar]

how far have we come!!! hahahahaha

i fkn LOVE it

[remote bobcat]

yea

[tepid cedar]

i was looking at some old logs

and im like, i cant ever gooo backkk

[remote bobcat]

just bricked an eco key cuz tank left melee range on 1st boss

coolio

[radiant sentinel]

Rip

[tepid cedar]

lol had a tank on a 17 eco, pull the fucking miniboss to final boss thinking he got the the small beetle adds

we had 5 min left

lolol wipe

[remote bobcat]

F

[smoky vale]

i had a tank suicide in 17 streets because he thought we had no bres

[tepid cedar]

that mini boss is one of the worst ive seen this season by far

[iron portal]

Which one is that, the big bug?

[tepid cedar]

yea

[remote bobcat]

XD

[austere hearth]

do you guys wear as well the gally mythic ring ?

[smoky vale]

that brew player is blacklisted

[remote bobcat]

nah i dropped it for hero track piece it sims equal

[smoky vale]

along with the healer too

[ornate gust]

which keybind do you guys use to focus a target in the middle of fight?

[smoky vale]

actual preds

[remote bobcat]

gio u still DK'ing?

[smoky vale]

[tepid cedar]

need some NA'ers to run a 4 warrior shammy 15

[remote bobcat]

thats chill

[smoky vale]

my warrior is rising

me xan and fel were doing dk 2 fury

thats how my key got bricked because the brew though since 2 warriors no bres

what a pig

[tepid cedar]

gio

lets do some funky wariror shit la;ter

or u still doinf mop bullshit

[smoky vale]

today is gearing mage day sir

[tepid cedar]

w

t

f

is wrong with u

[smoky vale]

need it to boost keys

no lust players

[coarse nest]

[iron portal]

We did 5 fury keys before it was cool

[smoky vale]

every single mage we've played with is a pred

[tight roost]

Jumper cables

[smoky vale]

or regular bres

me when dk

[tight roost]

Ahh that was the suiciding tank thing

Lol

[tepid cedar]

wait u guys dont have the pre release midnight fury yet? i DM blizzz and asked them to update my retail character for testing

everytime i RB i cast lust and brez

[coarse nest]

yoooo

sick tech

I gotta get on that

[tepid cedar]

lolz

brb got to update my windows blahh

[tardy hedge]

@remote bobcat whats ur prio in raid do u prefer rb above rampage?

[smoky vale]

he does what the apl says

[tight roost]

Do you get resi 12 if youve only completed some keys on 13 but not 12?

[remote bobcat]

not up to date optimized

[remote bobcat]

depends rly

[snow vapor]

so what's the shakeout after some time with it. Slayer or Thane overperforming each other or now just preferential based on needed damage profile, AOE vs ST

[remote bobcat]

slayer > thane

both aoe and st

[quiet breach]

I saved a key a couple days ago by being the jumper cables guy in a bresless group

healer died at beginning of big momma on 13 floodgate

nobody else brought it

[modest condor]

you're trolling if you go into a +13 without jumper cables

[quiet breach]

do u guys actually not care about SD at all in AOE?

[remote bobcat]

we click at 3x MFE for sure

we arent sure if we wanna keep up AJ

which would include more SD uses

[remote bobcat]

oh wait u said raid

in raid nothing changed

its just APL

lmao im sorry i kinda yapped about m+

in raid it's rampage to enrage > raging blow with brutal finish while enraged > rampage at 115 > raging blow

[fresh creek]

didnt think bout that tbh

to overcap on rage by still having RB prio

[tardy hedge]

blasting

[slim coral]

Crazy yap session just to say press rb unless bladestorm isn’t up. EU truly
has mastered yapping

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1413197405561819256/reaptech.gif

[remote bobcat]

well i assumed the guy was new cuz green leaf symbol so i tried to yap a bit more

[remote bobcat]

wp

[knotty nest]

yo boys

new to warr

when exactly do i use bloodthirst

like on wich%

[fresh creek]

never only if you have nothing else to press

[knotty nest]

even on slayer ?

[devout totem]

ye

[fresh creek]

esp on slayer

[knotty nest]

i always thought i need to use it for reap the storm

[fresh creek]

nah rb gives that aswell

[knotty nest]

oh perfect thanks boys

[fresh creek]

as thane it takes prio over RB

but thane is a lost hero talent atm 😄

[remote bobcat]

to give you more context, since it appears like you'd appreciate it:

Bloodthirst gives a 20% chance per target hit to proc reap the storm
Raging blow does the same at 10 stacks overwhelmed per target - so you need to stack overwhelmed first (mainly done by clicking bladestorm) due to the 4set effect

Once that is guaranteed, clicking raging blow is way better than clicking bloodthirst, you basically never click BT unless you have to.

Some Situations occur where you need to stack overwhelmed up manually, thats when BT > RB cuz of the static reap proc rate, but that's only when you didnt have bladestorm ready earlier to get those overwhelmed stacks applied asap (which is a skill issue, improve on that!)

as for the crit% of bloodthirst, that's completely irrelevant as soon as you get the 4 piece

[knotty nest]

but how much bladestorms do i have to press to get 10 stacks

instantly

[floral pond]

All the storms

[steel shard]

yes

[knotty nest]

so the first pack i go

and i go into cds bladestorm

i can use RB and fuck BT

?

[radiant plank]

yeah

[remote bobcat]

your first bladestorm should get them to 7 stacks overwhelmed at least, every following bladestorm to 10 stacks

iirc

[knotty nest]

oh so i should still use BT if its like on 90% upwards

Until i get the next bladestorm

[remote bobcat]

nah

just go RB after bladestorm

its too good

[knotty nest]

ah perfect

[remote bobcat]

we want to Bladestorm RB RB RB RB Rampage anyway

spam RBs while enraged

obviously get whirlwind in

ykwim

[knotty nest]

oh that fits perfectly

[olive seal]

Bladestorm does 6-9 stacks depending on SDs consumed. 6 stacks is plenty to get the rest through RB spam.

[knotty nest]

do i want to overcap with rage to get the 3rd stack of slaugthering strikes ?

[remote bobcat]

yea rage is fake

[knotty nest]

like rb rb full rage rb rampage ?

[remote bobcat]

only enrage matters

[knotty nest]

ahhhh

[olive seal]

if you can do 5 stacks of Slaughtering Strikes without dropping Enrage, do it

[knotty nest]

enrage is the buff u get from pressing rampage right ?

[remote bobcat]

yea

sometimes u can fit 5x raging blow after bladestorm during bloodlust

its not realistic outside of bloodlust

[knotty nest]

ahhhhh

[remote bobcat]

but ye we wanna stack up to 5x

[knotty nest]

nocap perfectly

[remote bobcat]

while enraged

[olive seal]

you can always get a lucky enrage proc from the final BT cast by Bladestorm and more lucky RB resets, but I wouldn't count on it

[remote bobcat]

yea ^

[knotty nest]

thats why i lost so much dmg like

i was comparing my dmg to another furys and they had like lots of bt casts

so i thought i need to spam it aswell

kekw

[rotund ginkgo]

just watch me when i stream so u know what not to do

[slim coral]

W

[rotund ginkgo]

IS THAT BAZE

[slim coral]

Never

[slim coral]

Is that RAGISH

[rotund ginkgo]

common baze W

[remote bobcat]

two tips you might want to hear:

• have the whirlwind buff before bladestorming in aoe situations

• stay in melee range of your primary target while bladestorming or your unhinged casted Bloodthirsts go to waste (they are really important)

this talent casts bloodthirst that can each proc reap the storm, something that people tend to forgor

[vapid tiger]

What's the WW do before BS?

[hot rampart]

I swear I feel like my war UI doesn't move fast enough for fury playstyle. Sometimes the WW cleave stacks lag behind and I forget if I have another stack or not.

I think I may just start counting to 4 every WW

[remote bobcat]

thats not your UI thats blizzard making it so rampage removes whirlwind on the last hit instead of first hit

[supple laurel]

What's MFE?

[dense drum]

Hey boys any of u know how to make so my plater shows seconds on the boss cast? tried to jump out with one second left for suck but its hard when theres no timer

[remote bobcat]

1. it prepares raging blow spam into rampage after bladestorm
2. I think it makes it so unhinged BTs get the AOE reap proc chance

[hot rampart]

Ooooh that makes sense

So any particular guidance to that or just something to be aware of

I think I'll still count to 4 in my head just to be sure

[vapid tiger]

First one makes sense. I'll check on the second

[remote bobcat]

this boss knocks you up just a tiny bit at the very end, thats the queue when ur supposed to jump out

[dusky surge]

I'm curious about the current stats of the Fury Warrior.

[remote bobcat]

raidbots.com

mastry >= haste > vers > crit usually but legit just sim ur character to check whats best

[supple laurel]

I see 'MFE' thrown around a lot, what is this

[hot rampart]

Marked for execution

[supple laurel]

ohh

[remote bobcat]

Marked for Execution

[devout totem]

MArked for execution

[stark nymph]

Hello, I have a big problem with the damage on my spells.I need help pls

if we look at the sims the spell damage should be roughly the same between these two pieces of equipment
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pzHeuiQCPgi8YWXNaB9quP

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pzHeuiQCPgi8YWXNaB9quP

but if we look at warcraft log the dps per spell is very different

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PcBywbDGvTaz7FAk?fight=1&type=damage-done&source=3

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7YJ3hdbzfnrxZvcG?fight=2&type=damage-done&source=4

[dense drum]

@remote bobcat Okay, but it should be doable to change the profile? my old one showed it in seconds

[stark nymph]

My character is Velmeya and I took a random top player with an identical sim.

[remote bobcat]

thats because raging blow includes reap the storm and execute includes slayers strikes

[stark nymph]

so its random ?

[lusty jungle]

different talents

[remote bobcat]

no its just a different visualization

[stark nymph]

This doesn't explain the difference in damage on all the other spells.

on warcraft logs

[remote bobcat]

yea you can change it, i mean i just use jundies plater myself but its up to you

[lusty jungle]

ur missing 1% critical thinking

[remote bobcat]

u can find UI help in #ui-addons-manager @dense drum

[radiant plank]

well

a raid

is not a sim yk

[stark nymph]

the bump resistance does not move

[remote bobcat]

hows blord slarms btw?

[stark nymph]

so the damage by type should be approximately the same

[lusty jungle]

also no monk in one of the raids

which adds 5% phys

[stark nymph]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mv2x74AVBrhJ3qkN?fight=2&type=damage-done&source=8

ok use that if you want

its with a monk

all buff inside that i think

[lusty jungle]

yeah and he also has 5 ilvls on you

[remote bobcat]

ur looking at a single 4 minute fight (where ur breakdown is heavily proc dependant) comparing it to an average of millions of sims

also @stark nymph if ur trying to improve, dont look at damage breakdown or cast amount, look at cast timelines instead

[stark nymph]

So to summarize according to your answers it just means that it is random and that the class depends mainly on luck?

[remote bobcat]

when you look at this does this look proper to you?

[oblique pond]

guys for mythic soul hunters is it now better to play slayer or thane?

[stark nymph]

The problem is that before I looked at the spells sent and I am generally very well

[stark nymph]

so I'm looking for another explanation

[winter shoal]

where reck ava

[remote bobcat]

idfk its his log

seems that the log ate up the pre reck ava

[stark nymph]

otherwise I can put a fight of my gameplay on yt and you will tell me where there is a problem in my gameplay?

[remote bobcat]

fury procs give more damage variance than some optimizations added together in pure single target situations

[stark nymph]

I really want to do everything to progress but I'm not really moving forward and it's annoying me.

But according to you, how much do the procs vary the average DPS at most?

[remote bobcat]

do a quick sim and click on full html report to see what the variance is

actually imma do one for you

[devout totem]

kronzo podcasts when

[remote bobcat]

yes

[devout totem]

💰😤👍

[stark nymph]

ok thank you

[remote bobcat]

@stark nymph https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dD5vv2mfKZDFKmMeiC5VpU/simc

big variance jaja

[stark nymph]

but if I understand that these are factors that I cannot control?

[remote bobcat]

correct

every class in the game deals with this

[stark nymph]

I will change class in this case

[remote bobcat]

?

every class is like this

fury is one of the less luck dependant specs i'd argue

[stark nymph]

I hate randomness

1 million is huge

[remote bobcat]

then play smth like trackmania 😭

wow inherently includes RNG

[stark nymph]

before i play rogue sub

its not random

[stark nymph]

no

[warm crag]

do you have any idea what you're talking about

[stark nymph]

It's nonsense, that's for sure

[modest condor]

not rng xd

[remote bobcat]

antton

i think you are a bit confused

[stark nymph]

I know very well what I'm talking about

[modest condor]

you clearly dont

lol

[stark nymph]

ok explain to me what is random about rogue sub?

[warm crag]

the damage

[stark nymph]

ok wait

[warm crag]

you can look at the graph

[modest condor]

you know this stat called critical strike?

sub rogue has that stat above 0

[bitter palm]

how big of a role does ability damage variance play

[modest condor]

therefore it has rng

[bitter palm]

always wondered about this

cause spells do damage in some range ye

[modest condor]

5% variance yeah

[bitter palm]

that is big ngl

[stark nymph]

guys i know this class i know what i'm saying the gameplay is absolutely not random there are almost 0 procs

[fast mural]

it still has variance

[modest condor]

and yet sub rogue has really big variance in dps

[remote bobcat]

this alone is crazy variance

[fast mural]

just cause there is a clear priority system on waht to press doesnt mean its not rng

[remote bobcat]

lack of procs doesnt mean absence of variance

[stark nymph]

low damage that

[modest condor]

this list shows how much variance each spec has, the higher the number the bigger the rng on damage

fury is so low it didnt even fit on my screen

and sub is near the top

[stark nymph]

Afterwards I realize it well as a thief I never have a fight where I tell myself damn I was unlucky it's rubbish as a fury warrior it's always like that

[remote bobcat]

if you have extremely high hitting abilities that can potentially crit, thats innate variance added onto your spec

[warm crag]

where can i find it

[stark nymph]

when is it from?

[remote bobcat]

fury has a lot of low hitting spells

crit matters less

[modest condor]

https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/TWW3_Raid.html

click on additional raid information

[warm crag]

ty

[stark nymph]

on the actual patch?

[lusty jungle]

both versa and mastery increases dmg by % so you having 5 ilvls under will of course show a difference, not sure why you think you will do rank 1 dps

[hollow leaf]

14 ara

[bitter palm]

mm dobby tier

[hollow leaf]

bro is sandbagging

[bitter palm]

its easy to compete against bad classes vro

[remote bobcat]

@stark nymph the damage breakdown per fight is RNG but the overall damage result you get from it is not rng because there is an average procrate which causes fury to be extremely streamlined

you are confused about this

you really are.

[warm crag]

just because a spec presses the same buttons in the same order during their rotation windows doesnt mean they do the exact same damage every time

[fast mural]

and lets not fgorget about the lenght of the fight that factors into variance

[stark nymph]

ok so I really want to understand why I have no damage on all my fights pls

If it's not luck then it's my way of playing

[eternal sundial]

You are consistently playing bad then

[hollow leaf]

fury's st is kind of disgusting

[eternal sundial]

Log a run and get flamed - improve with the feedback

[hollow leaf]

I'm able to just throw out 5.5-6m st on every fight

[remote bobcat]

well those plexus sentinel fights you linked earlier include disgustingly bad groups

for example

for parsing* at least

[next bridge]

If you thought it was luck, wouldn’t you expect to be getting lucky sometimes and not others? If you’re always doing poorly I have news for you

[hollow leaf]

oh cool it was a rank 1

for 14 ara

[remote bobcat]

good shit

[restive peak]

715 ilvl mans is on cocaine for sure

[stark nymph]

ok i will upload my last run on plexeus HM on yt

[distant oracle]

715 holy

[stark nymph]

you will tell me if I play badly or not

[radiant plank]

🥄

[hollow leaf]

wait I accidentally ran screams

[remote bobcat]

@stark nymph look at the fight lengths of my plexus kills and compare them to your 4 minute fight

[hollow leaf]

fuck

nice screams damage

[fast mural]

3 min plexus the fuck

[restive peak]

Yeah screams is giga shit unfortunately

[remote bobcat]

thats heroic cuz his kills were about heroic too

[fast mural]

oh i thought you had some gigaplayers in your guild

[stark nymph]

Yes, I'm improving in HM to then become good at mythic.

[chilly fractal]

Buy a BoE ring

[remote bobcat]

i looked through your casts you arent playing that bad antton

[stark nymph]

I'll put my video on as soon as it's available

[hollow leaf]

I'll tell my rl to buy me one 🫡

what ilvl are they even

[stark nymph]

I probably make mistakes, but currently I must be limited in the theoretical part of the class.

[chilly fractal]

714

[fast mural]

whats your ilvl

[stark nymph]

708

[remote bobcat]

playing well is required to parse well, but parsing well doesnt ONLY mean you played well

it also requires a good group

and if its aoe parsing, it requires a bad group

with lots of ST

[stark nymph]

That's why I think it's easier for you to see my gameplay in real time on the video.

[fast mural]

for arms its actually good to have a long execute phase tho

[remote bobcat]

tru

[stark nymph]

Here is the video, thanks in advance for your advice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPMoIEYYXjM

[proven stream]

opener is wrong

[stark nymph]

It's the sim opener, isn't that good?

[proven stream]

u did avatar before reck, so u didnt have rage to rampage and did 2 rbs before bladestorm

it should be
reck
avatar
charge
rampage
bladestorm

[hollow leaf]

rampage is your first global as you reach the boss

[stark nymph]

OK, macro problem, I'll change that, thanks

[proven stream]

its not a big deal but its something u can easily fix

[stark nymph]

I take all the good advice

[stark nymph]

at the same time I don't understand the difference since both give both avatar buffs and reck

[proven stream]

you wont get double rage from avatar if u do it before reck

[charred mountain]

Why is reap the Storm top dmg

[proven stream]

which will leave u short of rage to rampage

[wispy thistle]

M+

[stark nymph]

ahh understood thanks

[proven stream]

other than that gameplay looks fine

[charred mountain]

698 halls 10

[rocky sequoia]

if you run a dragonflight mythic with just 5 people, it drops the same amount of loot as if you had 20 people right?

[young swan]

/spit

[wispy thistle]

If you are proccing reap the right way it should be top dam

[hollow leaf]

depends on the dungeon

[stark nymph]

raid

[hollow leaf]

dungeons with smaller pull counts rb will probably be higher

[stark nymph]

i talk about the raid single target

[junior oyster]

Hear folks disparaging screams. Is it bad in all contexts or just certain ones

[hollow leaf]

dungeons with very big pulls like in ara reap will probably be higher

[stark nymph]

Do you have any other advice?

[hollow leaf]

you can use stormbolt during bladestorm

very very very tiny thing

and on plexus you should run wrecking throw

[coarse nest]

@tepid cedar Fell behind the pug scene after going back to work but half way to resil 15 😄

[hollow leaf]

I haven't done shit on my warrior

[coarse nest]

bro pumps too!

[sullen tendon]

no respect to the fury rerollers

[hollow leaf]

can't wait for people to call me a fotm reroller

[coarse nest]

warrior one trick here 😄

[hollow leaf]

when I've been playing this class nonstop since bfa

[coarse nest]

for like 10 years lmao

[sullen tendon]

All the new peopel showing up were playing frost dk a week ago

[coarse nest]

ironically frost is still more favorable in keys

grip/immunes mechanics/lives easy

[hollow leaf]

yeah fits better into a comp

we just do damage

[sullen tendon]

have some loyalty people

[coarse nest]

cranks always

[sullen tendon]

If oyu cant take fury to keys at its worst you dont deserve to play fury at its best

[stark nymph]

So to sum up, if I'm missing 1 million damage on plexus, it's not a gameplay problem but a proc problem?

[hollow leaf]

if you don't want me at my season 2 you don't deserve me at my season 3

[remote bobcat]

?

assuming same gear and same fight length?

then its both about procs and gameplay

[fast mural]

fight length is also a factor

[stark nymph]

Well I put the video and only got one piece of advice for my gameplay and it remains very minimal, nothing that makes me think that I lose 1 million damages because of my way of playing

[tepid cedar]

LETS GOOO

i took a small break and started again 2 days ago

[remote bobcat]

reck first to double the rage gained by ava and charge, so you arrive at the target with 80 rage to insta rampage

in case someone didnt clarify

[stark nymph]

That's the advice I was given, yes

i have understand that

but if there's nothing else it's still annoying

[remote bobcat]

i mean

which players are u comparing urself to

with what gear and what fight length?

did they get 2x intermissions or only 1x?

[hollow leaf]

if I didn't have a team to play with (really just a tank and a dps) then I wouldn't even try

cba lfg

[fast mural]

fractillus is a better boss to check rotation

[remote bobcat]

fractillus is the best boss to check rotation.

its literally a target dummy

[tardy hedge]

thats crazy i cant get invite on my alt fwarr even on 8 keys with 3k rio main linked 😄

[onyx linden]

oh man, i like doing delves on alt, for 2 wrists in 1 run

[stark nymph]

yes but 4 boss before

[sullen tendon]

they know you are fotm rerolling

[tardy hedge]

whats mean fotm ? 😄

[sullen tendon]

flavor of the month

[coarse nest]

almost 16s!

letss goooo

[tepid cedar]

i been slacking

lol

2 weeks fo shit vaults demotivated me lol

[coarse nest]

vault gave me crit weapon x.x

better than 0 weapon

lowkey getting used to idol

kinda hoping for an idol now

[tepid cedar]

vault gona give me araz weapon or 723 interloper boots

as a make up

[coarse nest]

🙏

[onyx linden]

you misspelled socket

[lavish pond]

guys, in my top gear sim. system recommends using a mixture of gems leaving the blasphemite gem out of the selection, Is it possible? I mean Blasphemite gem is a BIS gem right?

[coarse nest]

makes sense that it would leave it out in favor of other stats sure

although speed owns and id run speed gem

:)

[lavish pond]

😒

that makes my stats really weird. mastery is gonna go down a lot if i use the recommended gems

[onyx linden]

i guess you dont have these ticked

[hollow leaf]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1ohjVhQ4NcDWVbcG7nSSkk

ig

[lavish pond]

yes i haven't. "facepalm"

ty

[onyx linden]

we dont even get zenith tokens on our runs

[red badge]

myabe a dumb question but me and my friend want to push keys with stupid meme builds... anyone have a good single minded fury build? 😅

[chilly fractal]

I believe in you… that luck is about to turn around

Gonna turn that frown upside down

[remote bobcat]

?

[chilly fractal]

Hell yea

[onyx linden]

Loomithar is kinda the same btw

[wintry smelt]

Manaforge vandals is there a renown cap currently?

[hollow leaf]

5 I think

[remote bobcat]

you have to leave melee range from time to time

so no

on frac u can stay melee entire fight

[onyx linden]

like breaking walls

[remote bobcat]

if u break walls u dont need to necessarily leave melee or you get a frame 1 charge back

[onyx linden]

you have to leave the same amount of time on Loomi

[remote bobcat]

if u create walls u never leave melee

like when breaking wall near edge u can simply stand inside the wall and you dont even get knocked on frac lmao

while in melee range

[onyx linden]

did almost 6.1m on Loomithar, and 5.5 on Fractillus

both were great pulls

[remote bobcat]

yea so ?

whats ur argument

[onyx linden]

that loomithar is a patchwerk fight

[remote bobcat]

loomithar is not a patchwerk fight

Ok

you get small pad on ball

[bright ledge]

is there a WA to auto apply to keys

[remote bobcat]

you have to elave melee during aoe

[bitter palm]

skyreaver?

[tepid cedar]

hopefuly we all eat this tuesday

[onyx linden]

i dont pad

full ST

[remote bobcat]

azrakan

my guy

you NEVER leave melee on frac

NEVER

not even once

on loomithar you do

its not patchwerk

loomithar also has a lot of groups lusting p2

its a bad comparison

just stop man

[onyx linden]

those are bad groups

[proven stream]

fract is way better for a benchmark

[onyx linden]

imo both are great

[coarse nest]

yes...

[onyx linden]

lots of bad guilds are not on fract yet

[bitter palm]

@warm crag victim...

[coarse nest]

[bitter palm]

[warm crag]

who got hit

[coarse nest]

I had no crit anywhere else so I took it (actually tier chest had crit at the time but not much)

[remote bobcat]

bro pugs are on heroic fract

[gleaming siren]

You

[coarse nest]

simmed +100k

[remote bobcat]

its about heroic

this guys entire argument was all abouit heroic

[warm crag]

i dont have skyreaver

[coarse nest]

actually I think it was like 130k ish

[onyx linden]

who talks about heroic? lmao

[gleaming siren]

You got hit with a ban from Skyhold

[onyx linden]

oh

heroic is a meme

[gleaming siren]

Thanks for that opinion Azrakan

[remote bobcat]

? the entire argument was about this guy not knowing how to improve while linking heroic logs

[cobalt relic]

gg

[remote bobcat]

gg

[cobalt relic]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1073246901606039654/1139748703297613956/Media_221119_135304.gif

[onyx linden]

idk if i should ask for this wa/addon or not

[gleaming siren]

I was about to say you need help then I realized who you are

All hope's lost

[cobalt relic]

wdym hahaha

[gleaming siren]

League addict turned WoW addict

It's over for you

[cobalt relic]

https://tenor.com/view/traewockhardt-sad-jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-gif-16591014784735052511

[glass beacon]

do you ever use bloodthirst with the slayer build in m+?

[onyx linden]

on ST

pretty much

[glass beacon]

is it higher prio than raging blow then?

[remote bobcat]

no

[onyx linden]

no

[remote bobcat]

you click BT when you fucked up ur bladestorm so u dont have overwhelmed on the new pack

[hollow leaf]

20% nk pull

[remote bobcat]

thats when BT is clicked cuz then BT is more dmg than RB

[hollow leaf]

just need a few more people alive after intermission and we kill

[onyx linden]

on ST with 5 stacks of bloodcraze only

else you dont use it

[remote bobcat]

On ST you never use it unless its a filler, reagrdless of bloodcraze

[hollow leaf]

that stopped being a thing with this new tier

once you get 4p you can just remove that WA completely

[remote bobcat]

^

[onyx linden]

hmm

[remote bobcat]

bt at 100% crit chance is weaker than Raging Blow

[onyx linden]

we use that talent just for BS BT?

[remote bobcat]

especially with m+ build where we drop CSHB

[remote bobcat]

we use that talent to get to deft experience and because theres nothing better

[onyx linden]

ah, makes sense

i wonder how much of a loss it was to use it with 5 stacks

[remote bobcat]

not much

cuz that only amounts to a low amount of casts

[chilly fractal]

Wouldn’t mind a nice lil Myth Antenna in the top left vault slot

[gaunt loom]

would OF slayer fury be bad in soul hunters mythic?

i run odyn’s fury for m+, but i’m not sure how it’ll do in raid.

[remote bobcat]

im not sure, try simming 3 target patchwerk

comparing the talent setups

actually i wanna do that now

[remote bobcat]

without OF bit better

[gaunt loom]

honestly i tried it today, and it didn’t really feel that different in damage compared to the regular slayer build.

[remote bobcat]

OF not very cash money

also thinking about it

u have to make sure they are together for of+roar combo

[gaunt loom]

guess i’ll just stick with the regular one.

[remote bobcat]

its ab it awkward

or just run loboz build

[gaunt loom]

in m+ my dps definitely went up by around 2m after switching to odyn, so i was kinda hoping it’d be good in raid too, but i guess not.

[remote bobcat]

your overall did not increase by 2 million by taking OF

thats for sure

there are more key points there

more factors

[gaunt loom]

i’m not really sure, but my total damage at the end of the dungeon definitely seemed higher.

it’s true that my dps ended up higher than before.

i also put more points into thunderous roar along with odyn’s fury.

that’s probably a big factor too.

[restive peak]

Your overall would be slightly higher, not 2mil; keep in mind the difference in pug routes/people on your teams skill varies greatly/diff dungeons are massively diff for overall anyway

There’s a chance you find more comfort in the OF QOL and roar and play slightly better too; they’re honestly very close to each other

I’ve been swapping on some of the higher pull keys to OF/roar caps and back to no roar caps and no OF on DB/Streets etc

[tepid cedar]

damn i jsut popped off on 15 priory

[plush zephyr]

Tell the MM to start learning BM 😂

They’re going to be so fucking busted next reset

[restive peak]

BM gonna get the OP into overnerfed special in about 2 weeks man

Those buffs are stupid

[bright ledge]

log

[tepid cedar]

didnt log it unfortunately

but oly log better was a 9.4 who has a 723 circuit + crfated so i wouldent shit onm it with a better weapon lol

[quiet breach]

what other specs are prio DMG specs but NOT FUNNEL like fury warrior?

[tepid cedar]

arms

.<

[gaunt loom]

I think this season’s tier set effects are really fun. Even more so after the hotfix.

[south kayak]

They're gonna have to nerf the pack tier set for the 5th time lmao

[tepid cedar]

is the BM buffs that big?

[remote bobcat]

i random checked rank16 damage parse for psf15 and he had 9.5mil active dps what u on about apo

[hollow leaf]

love how inky black potion is just required for nexus king

[remote bobcat]

rank 2 had 10mil dps @tepid cedar

[minor bay]

How does your Reap the Storm do so much damage? I can't ever get mine to do more overall than Raging Blow

[remote bobcat]

depends on key

[south kayak]

Not really but they're already great in M+

they suck for raid though

that's why they got buffed

[eternal sundial]

noob do more dam

clearly

[tepid cedar]

#1 had 11 mil i think

active

[remote bobcat]

yea

u had 9.2

ANGERY

[tepid cedar]

thaats weapon diff

• timer

a proper 723 weap is like 400k dps increase alone on aoe

[minor bay]

I'm comparing my logs against another warrior who did a 12 arakara at the same time. My reap did 1.64b damage and his did 2.76b for the dungeon. I don't know how I'm getting gapped so hard

[tepid cedar]

are u getting MFE stacks?

hardest part is holding BS

if ur not going in with bs or close to BS on new p[acks ur lowering ur total output a lot

[minor bay]

Sorry I'm new to warrior so I'm still learning acronyms for a lot of things

I'm probably doing my rotation wrong

Or at least not optimizing it

[tepid cedar]

also if u run the concussive build, u need to make sure ur interrupting on cd

best strat is during bs, if u get an interrupt swap to that target

while spin2winning

and continue about your day kicking ass

[minor bay]

Thank for for responding. I will learn these optimizations and keep practicing

[remote bobcat]

Concussive build is too tryhard imho

[remote bobcat]

Route diff and also u need overwhelmed applied in order to make RB proc reap

[tepid cedar]

its harder.

but very rewarding

its good in dungeons like hoa priory

[remote bobcat]

Not that rewarding lbr

[tepid cedar]

but ur big dig overall on big lust pulls arnt as high, i think i gotten like 22 mill or 23 as the highest

its pretty big. 5% on must die targets is a lot.

[remote bobcat]

Meh

[tepid cedar]

this is my favorite though

woops worng one

[hollow leaf]

yeah that's pretty standard

[tepid cedar]

well ppl are using chsb

shits worthless

2pts in rb is better

[hollow leaf]

for m+?

[edgy widget]

drop Focus for 2 Deft, optionally drop Imp BT for Invig if you want more living
likewise, try dropping CF from the class tree for Honed & Fast Footwork

[hollow leaf]

yeah was about to say that

gg archi

[tepid cedar]

according to logs yea

[restive peak]

Technically the 2 deft is better

[tepid cedar]

hmm on my sims

[edgy widget]

CSHB fell out of the standard build on wednesday, some people haven't changed yet, but there are better options

[coarse nest]

this feels good

[tepid cedar]

2ps in rb and fic = better than 2 and 2 on deft and rb

[coarse nest]

[edgy widget]

Fresh Meat is fine too, though I don't find it very necessary if you're using 2x Deft

[hollow leaf]

personally what I run

[edgy widget]

Invigorating Fury gives you a really strong CD

[hollow leaf]

I mean you still get decent value from imp bt from unhinged

[coarse nest]

I go back and forth

[edgy widget]

this is what I swapped to

• loses ~1% ST, virtually no MT loss, and gains a lot more defense/utility

[edgy widget]

it's 0.5% of your ST damage and virtually nothing in MT
for raid, I keep it, but for M+ it's nothing

[coarse nest]

i like having fresh meat becuase it makes the opener consistantly the same every single pull

no longer have to think about rage on charge with fresh meat

[ember solar]

for pugging (so smaller pull sizes generally and tank not playing around a class) do you think fury is more damage than havoc?

[hollow leaf]

depends on the havoc

[edgy widget]

that's perfectly fair, I don't dislike the option at all - I've been a big FM enjoyer in a lot of seasons

but Imp Bloodthirst isn't adding a damn thing; it's gonna be like 0.3% of your dam at most

[coarse nest]

yeah its so minor

might as well take the QoL imo

[ember solar]

i am tempted to play havoc but realistically most groups don't pull stuff onto bosses etc for funnel. fury is also tempting

[hollow leaf]

I just choose it over fm because it's a tiny st increase

[coarse nest]

😄

[hollow leaf]

play what you find fun

[cursive hazel]

hey with the new meta of spamming raging blow does it take priority over stuff like ramp or keeping ww stacks i dont know which guides are updated

[coarse nest]

meatcleaver>enrage>RB spam

[edgy widget]

this is Ara-Kara and it's probably the most I've seen Bloodthirst contribute across a key @ 3%, which means Imp Bloodthirst is worth ~0.3% dam; take it if you want, but that's easy drop material IMO

[ember solar]

no way to know until i gear up and get tier etc haha, can't invest time into both (plus my main)

[iron portal]

looks about right

[edgy widget]

hop on the PTR, buy some gear, and hit some dummies

[tepid cedar]

so fic and 2 rb vs 2def + 2rb.... on 8t 1 1.5min, 1 deft 2 rb, loses by only 9k

[edgy widget]

idk what you're simming

[tepid cedar]

ill take the almost 40k in st over 9k aoe

i do like the extra defensive love from invigorating though

[random bough]

Myth track idol simming 2% lower then 710 sacbrood?

[frank dawn]

idol isn't that great in single target if that's what you're simming

[edgy widget]

and keep in mind that ST makes up maybe 15% of your actual active combat time
so that 9k AoE would be more like 60k equivalent

[tepid cedar]

didnt think of it that way

true true

[edgy widget]

it varies with dungeon ofc

streets is more boss and low target

but I'd say like 15-20% of your combat time is bosses in most keys, with the rest being multitarget

[random bough]

I was simmingt hectic add cleave

[tepid cedar]

ill give it a try

[edgy widget]

HAC doesn't get used much anymore, so your cds are probably getting desynced from the waves of add spawns in the sim

Idol is good because its bursty, which works really well in a lot of M+ which are setup to have some purposefully big pulls; sacbrood is a good all-around passive option though

[austere lake]

Do you guys execute only with 3 stacks of mark?

[iron portal]

13 HOA

[hollow leaf]

I just follow ther regular execute conditionals

[iron portal]

so yea it flactuates around that number

[hollow leaf]

you kinda just do the st rotation on aoe while weaving wws obv

[iron portal]

saw it lower than cloak someitmes

[edgy widget]

ok so it was worth 0.38% for you

I'd still call that nothing

[iron portal]

Numbers Mason

What do they mean

[edgy widget]

we just kind of make them up as we go along tbh

[tight roost]

Hitting things makes numbers

[wispy flint]

Is odyns fury used in keys now?

[edgy widget]

it can be

[cursive hazel]

so u would overcap fury if u have rb charges? or am i understanding it wrong

[wispy flint]

Would you recommend it? I’ve been trying slayer in keys and I’m trying to figure out how to get my numbers a little higher because the most I’ve done in a key is 7m overall

[coarse nest]

apoch was saying its better to avoid over capping rage

[cursive hazel]

yea rage not fury my bad too many alts

[fallow matrix]

I've been back to WoW for about a week or so. I had the 720 axe crafted, luckly got a heroic circuit breaker drop and was able to upgrade it to 710. I only got 3 of the shard thingies for tier gear so only have my 2 piece. I was able to upgrade to about ilvl 706 with mythic+ drops. I'm assuming there's no way to get my 4 piece until maybe next week when another shard is available? And I was going to craft a second 720 axe but it looks like I only have 1 instead of 2 of the starlight thingies needed. Is there anything else I can do yet for gearing? Seems like my dps is only capable of clearing a 10 or 11.

[winter shoal]

Overcapping to prio RB vs just playing normal ramp/rb prio is almost the exact same on paper, so probably comes down to how much cdr you need for BS on next pack

[coarse nest]

playing for cdr is prob the best habit to form in the long run tbh

[finite token]

is it reuired to run frenzied enrage for slayer?

i like the increased enrage timer on powerful enrage more