fury

[edgy widget]

anytime

[oblique thistle]

welp, now that archi's done helping that guy

[quiet breach]

actually it only kicks if im hovering my mouse over

[oblique thistle]

back to it

[quiet breach]

hmm

[edgy widget]

from a previous convo

[brittle crow]

thought u needed a empty bracket to get it to recognize ur target i.e
/cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead][] Execute

[edgy widget]

I think that way works too, there are multiple ways to write many macros

[unkempt dagger]

1st pic is dung rn, and 2nd is dung couple of ours ago

double the procs

[brittle crow]

and u do the harm/nodead lines so ur character doesnt go I CANT ATTACK THAT if u accidentally mouseover a corpse

happens all the damn time

[olive wraith]

Same key? Same group? Same pull sizes?

Did you accidentally not bs on pack pull more in 2nd run

[unkempt dagger]

not same group, same key and same pull sizes

[edgy widget]

my guess is you're not paying attention to Overwhelmed

[unkempt dagger]

Should that account for double the procs?

[scenic pecan]

what talent do you drop in the slayeer mm+ build to take both OF and Titanic Rage ?

[olive wraith]

I mean overwhelmed is the main factor in getting good proc chance

[edgy widget]

if you're spamming RB before you have Overwhelmed applied, yes

[oblique thistle]

I'm playing this

[olive wraith]

No overwhelmed =no rb reaps

[edgy widget]

second link in #1273899855852339200

[unkempt dagger]

I wasnt replyin to archi, but rather to u

My overwhelmed was stacked to 10 pretty fast

[olive wraith]

Idk man. Details won’t really help diagnose the issue

[unkempt dagger]

Idk, i might be trippin but proc chance seems to be lower

Is any of u online and can test?

[brittle harness]

bro i had the same thing as well

i crafted a 720 weap and now it seems like im doing less dps

before then

[oblique thistle]

12 ara I did today

like 30 mins ago or something

[unkempt dagger]

Hm

Can u test on dummies rn

And see how it feels

Feels off idk

[oblique thistle]

It hasn't felt off to me all day

[unkempt dagger]

On st it was kinda the same

[oblique thistle]

right because the changes don't really affect ST

[unkempt dagger]

Nono, for me as well, today was okay entire day

[brittle harness]

no nvm

[quiet breach]

got one that works

[unkempt dagger]

Last 2 keys just felt so off

[quiet breach]

/cast [@mouseover,exists][] pummel

[brittle harness]

im tripping

[brittle harness]

its still there bro

its gotta be

[unkempt dagger]

Didnt change anything in my build, didnt change here

I mean i hope it is, it actually feels like u can compete on aoe now

In the average players bracket

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[oblique thistle]

We were competing with thane previously too to be completely fair

this just lets us do very solid aoe and still do great ST at the same time

[unkempt dagger]

Yy was talking slayer specificly

[hot rampart]

Okay cool. I guess prioritizing execute at the end of packs might be helpful just so I'm not stuck doing it at the beginning

Play that balance as you say

[unkempt dagger]

Slayer is so enjoyable to play soundwise

It just sounds soo fuckin good

[olive wraith]

You sure it wasn’t just misplay

[oblique thistle]

yeah that's kind of what I'm thinking here

you were probably missing overwhelmed stacks on mobs at some point

[olive wraith]

Not having bs really slows down the reap procs

[oblique thistle]

Are you BSing twice in the same pack?

[unkempt dagger]

Hm this dungeon im psure i wasnt

I'll try another key to see

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[olive wraith]

Go on dummies

[unkempt dagger]

Copium to justify

[olive wraith]

It’ll be pretty fast to figure out

[unkempt dagger]

Hopin into another key

[oblique thistle]

I'd try dummies first

just to make sure you're not going insane

[nova vessel]

hey guys one question. does critical thinking sims better than deft? it is a noticeable dmg aug using one or another?

[unkempt dagger]

Im poopin rn

But after, sure!

[oblique thistle]

thanks for sharing

[unkempt dagger]

Always buddy ❤️

[olive wraith]

You can sim it lol

[edgy widget]

Deft is better, but you can use both #1273899855852339200

[hot rampart]

Is it okay to let enrage drop when you're spamming rbs after bladestorm?

[unkempt dagger]

okay

im just coping of being bad

❤️

[feral egret]

KACHING

[olive wraith]

No

[hot rampart]

Thanks

[pearl sequoia]

@edgy widget the only ability to allow to fall off enrage is rampage yes, since it enrages itself

[nova vessel]

thx<3

[primal plover]

how many targets are needed before you prio RB > execute even when marked for execution stacks are ready? Im assuming surely 5 targets just fish for reaps all day but 1 target def not worth so where does that tick over? 2+?

[edgy widget]

It does, but you don’t really want Enrage to fall off, particularly if you’re spamming RB

• there’s a small delay between RB and Reap procs, so you really don’t want that damage to go unenraged

[sullen tendon]

@edgy widget do you have the alt code for bullet points memorized

[edgy widget]

Yeah it’s - or *

[edgy widget]

You don’t stop using Execute; if you’re hard holding Bladestorm (which you normally shouldn’t, but maybe for a big add spawn or something) then perhaps wait for 3 Marks, but just sitting on Exe is not worth - for one, you need the rage gen to keep up Rampage

[sharp wasp]

to me this new fury warrior tech is major class fantasy of how warrior should have always been

[edgy widget]

It’s certainly made it a lot more interesting, that’s for sure

Way more nuance now even if the basic principle is very simple

[sharp wasp]

it made me think of a press and hold whirlwind talent and a hold charge for more power

[edgy widget]

I don’t like press and hold stuff, so you won’t find a friend in me, but feel free to let your mind wander

[olive wraith]

No thanks

If any warrior spell should be empowered it’s demolish imo

[earnest canyon]

i just the buttons when they light up in luxthos

[sharp wasp]

or casting raging blow while bladestorm

[olive wraith]

We already cast bt!

[sharp wasp]

why not both?

lol

[olive wraith]

Bladestorm should also cast roar and odyns fury

And it should also battle Rez and lust

[sharp wasp]

and suck enemies in

[olive wraith]

And be uncapped and do a morbillion damage

[edgy widget]

my issue with press and hold is that it tends to go one of two ways

• either you press and release immediately
• or you always want to full charge anyway

further, I think press and release feels more interactive for a very low APM spec like Evoker, but doesn't add as much texture to faster paced specs that already keep your fingers busy like Arms or Fury

[sullen tendon]

well they have to modify it so differnet charges give differnet effects then

[edgy widget]

I'm sure they can find a way, I just don't think it adds a whole lot of value

[sullen tendon]

small charge = slow medium charge = dot big charge = big damage

or whatever

[olive wraith]

I think this still ends up like what Archi is saying though

[sullen tendon]

but actually differnet effects based on charge instead of just more or less damage

[olive wraith]

You either tap it

Or hold full duration

[edgy widget]

bop it

twist it

[earnest canyon]

I find it very un-wowlike as a lot of wow's charm is the combat, whereas other MMOs dont even get close...feels like some FF14 laggy shit or something

[sullen tendon]

i mean yea thats the entire point of a charged ability

[edgy widget]

again, I think it works for Evoker because its so low APM that you're just... waiting to press another button anyway; press-and-hold gives that a little bit more interactivity, because you're using that "wait" time doing something (even something as simple as holding a button down)

[sullen tendon]

I think you could fit it into furys playstyle if you added the functionality of the one plunder storm ability that was like a wind kick into it. Charge for 3 sec = a reap the storm + felrush movement ability 6 sec = giant whirlwind swing

[olive wraith]

People didn’t even like puzzle box

[edgy widget]

but I don't think it works as well for a faster paced spec that's already spamming their keys. Sure you Bladestorm or Demolish channels may get a break from that because they're not on the shorter GCD, but that also gives you a short break from spamming keys, so I don't think it's really a bad thing that needs to be changed

[edgy widget]

that just feels needlessly complicated imo, and creates a lot of room for failure

that just seems like saying Slam, Mortal Strike, and Execute should all just be combined into one press-and-hold button with three stages... just, why?

[olive wraith]

As a non arms player I think a slower playstyle might be cool

[sullen tendon]

Im jsut thinking of a dark souls boss

a giant dual wielding two handers boss that does a giant rushing sweep across the arena

implenet charge + whirlwind + rampage into it

[worn rain]

pls keep ds in ds

ty

[edgy widget]

I do generally think Arms should be a little slower while Fury should be a little faster, and that has been somewhat blurred recently, but every time they've tried to make a slow version of Arms players have hated it so

cause slow usually means resource starved

[sullen tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-tasmanian-devil-tas-looney-tunes-annoyed-gif-25204201

tasmanian devil charged ability

big tornado crazy strikes

tornado pulls in enemies if you hold it down long enough and gives you a speed boost if you hold it down for a short amount of time

same damage either way

[edgy widget]

idk, I'm just personally not a huge fan of press-and-hold; I'm sure that with enough creativity there are ways to make it work and even fun, I just don't think it's strictly necessary

[sullen tendon]

differnet utility

[brittle crow]

i think it would be neat to have a spec in the game where u only get so many resources and u have to choose how to spend them

maybe i am Insane

and Fucked Up

[edgy widget]

I think there's merit to that idea to a point
however, sitting on your hands because you want to press buttons but aren't able to because you're waiting on auto-attack swings for rage isn't generally fun

[brittle crow]

thats why u keep a sudoku to tab into while u wait idk

[edgy widget]

I think your concept would work better if you had a combination of filler or generator abilities that can be used more freely combined with spenders for the resources they generate

But then that lets you press buttons more frequently, which also isn't particularly slow either

[brittle crow]

i like arms when ur forced to press filler because u cant afford ur spender, not because its on cd

[edgy widget]

what you describe sounds more like Ret or DK

[brittle crow]

maybe ret and dk are better designed then!

[undone flower]

Like ff14 3 spell combos on the same bind ? I wonder why Blizz did not steal it already / it is coming slowly but very late

[edgy widget]

cause its a crappy idea

doing it like Samurai, where the ability changes contextually based on buffs or whatever would probably work fine (WoW already has some stuff like that already), but combining it all into a press-and-hold just creates unnecessary room for failure

[brittle crow]

it feels weird that the builder/spender warrior is gcd locked and presses their spenders on cd because they're flooded w resource

idk

[undone flower]

Ret got it with their hero talent, it is fine, but can be cancer if outrageous like ff

On some classes the 3 combo spells are just animation diff tho in ff

[sullen tendon]

they have robbed us of the Samuro style of warrior for too long

[undone flower]

They have really cool classes idea, idk if it would fit in wow gameplay, like the ninja thing

[finite token]

Hey all, coming back to fury after playing in DF, im noticing we're running salughtering strikes. Am i trying to get 5 stacks every time before i rampage

obviously that would cause rage capping but im just not sure if i should be rage capping

[next bridge]

No

[sullen tendon]

how many things can they steal from warriors and give to other classes

[finite token]

ok so am i kinda just going with the flow on slaughtering strikes? keep my enrage up as long as i can and only rampage when not enraged still

[sullen tendon]

I would love mirror image blade storms like the hellfire citadel trinket or samuro abilities but they gave it to mages and sub rouges so warrios cant have it

[mossy pelican]

yeppers

[finite token]

ok i figured, this spec has changed a bit and i havent played since they introduced hero trees so i havent experienced anything lol

thanks for the help yall ❤️

[next bridge]

Generally, slaughtering strikes gives the same value as long as you aren’t overcapping stacks (with the exception of the rampage right after blade storm)

[finite token]

yeah that makes sense

i did end up reading the fury guide on wowhead but still wasnt 100% sure

all i know is basically same rotation except raging blow is like the shit now over bloodthirst

i remember running a bloodthirst build for TONS of dmg

i'm just a chronic main swapper and kinda forgot fury exists it was my first spec so im hella excited to get back into it

[next bridge]

Yeah I feel like fury has been oscillating for years between wanting to press bloodthirsty as much as possible or raging blow as much as possible

[mossy pelican]

sorry yea it's important to be specific you only care about slaughtering strikes after bladestorm because of brutal finish, otherwise don't bother with it and resume with the rest of the rotation

[finite token]

oh im not even running blade storm in m+

archon.gg said ravager

maybe i should swap before i start this key

and im ruinning the thunder clap hero tree

[next bridge]

Yeah that’s for the slayer build. Slayer just got bug fixed/buff with the tier set so it is better in M+ than it was before a few days ago

[finite token]

ahhh true

i aint even got tier yet

ill jus keep this til then

[mossy pelican]

if you're running mountain thane you shouldn't be talking about slaughtering strikes or raging blow

make sure you press mountain thane button when you're looking at the wowhead rotations

[winter shoal]

Thane still plays SS

you generally don't consider stacks of SS as part of rotational decision making though as either spec

[mossy pelican]

that's so pedantic i don't know how to reply

[winter shoal]

Based

[mossy pelican]

gg wp

[winter shoal]

I didn't read any of the previous conversation

I assume someone talking about tracking SS stacks or something

[sinful spoke]

im kinda cracked

12 prio

[modest condor]

good job, proud of you

[sinful spoke]

Next is 10m overall

[worn rain]

how about 12

[calm swallow]

New Slayer be ch0nkin (10 Ara)

[rustic cape]

So, what's a class/spec that is the opposite of fury? As in APM. Something I can chill and still do decent dmg

[edgy widget]

Evoker

[chilly fractal]

10 Halls... lol

[rustic cape]

One of two classes I've yet to play. Guess it's time to give it a shot

[edgy widget]

so this is what it feels like to be a DK/Rogue/Lock

[chilly fractal]

I forgot to take off Arcanocore

[winter shoal]

Arcanocore kind good tho

[chilly fractal]

in M+ I think I'd get more out of pacemaker

[hushed gust]

yeah, core's an ST trinket according to my sims

[chilly fractal]

I hate it when tanks try to grab the houndmaster at the start then just run to the first shard

nobody ever brings it in or kicks it

[meager token]

Fellow fury warriors, should I spec cyclone or brutal finish for M+ under hero talents?

[chilly fractal]

Brutal Finish

[undone flower]

I didn’t loot it yet, but I think I’ll go pacemaker+ idol if I could, I’m ara+idol rn

[chilly fractal]

I’m Ara pacemaker for M+ if I ever remember to swap trinkets

Antenna is gonna be in my vault Tuesday though for sure

Or myth legs… I would definitely take those

[undone flower]

Im not sure if I pick antenna if its in my vault with a chest or leg

Since I’m still alone on arcanocore

[chilly fractal]

I’m not getting an Antenna for a long time if I wait for one

[undone flower]

And I have screams heroic

[chilly fractal]

We’ve seen 0 myth Antenna, 1 heroic, 1 normal and 0 screams in my guild

Some got antenna in vault at least

We’ve seen 3 myth arcanocore lol

[undone flower]

We had 1 myth, the funny loot was 2 2 handers on both araz kills

[chilly fractal]

We haven’t got Araz yet hopefully next week

We weren’t really focused this week so it was like 2 hours of meme prog

[undone flower]

It requires some focus for the entire 6 or so minute yes

[finite token]

yall be showing all these amazing 8mil overall runs

im sittin here 646 ilvl in a 2 no tier doin 2.55 im jealous

[undone flower]

I did 10m in a priory

[chilly fractal]

If it makes you feel better my ilvl is 714

[finite token]

yeah im in s1 gear lol

like half s1

[undone flower]

Yeah I’m 713

[finite token]

i havent played in so long but FUCK slayer is fun

bro i wanna gear this mf to the teeth. fury is also a lot more stressful than i remember

i feel like enrage drops SO fast

[finite token]

lol

[winter shoal]

Fuck you and your myth circuit breaker

[finite token]

2.55 - 3 mil every run ill take it as a win with my shit ass gear

[young swan]

3 pieces of mythic tier, mythic wep, heroic boots

[winter shoal]

You can probably buy better gear in many of those slots from the AH

Or renown vendors

[young swan]

wheres ur 11m+ overalls

[finite token]

yeah i COULD

but my realm is dead

everything cost 20k gold

[chilly fractal]

the helm is not tier

[finite token]

for a 642

[winter shoal]

Buy them on another server and put in warbank innit

[undone flower]

I wish you get skyreaver in all 3 vault slots

[young swan]

oh boe even better

./spit

[chilly fractal]

lol

someone told me I should buy the BoE boots to get a crest save on my heroic boots

would be a pretty laughable way to blow a million gold

[undone flower]

current gnome situation, yes i'm not very masterful rn

[chilly fractal]

what is your first ring?

[undone flower]

world boss ring, i got it the first week

[chilly fractal]

oooooo

[undone flower]

i will try to loot hoa ring before raid monday

[chilly fractal]

yea I have a Radiant Necromancer's but I can never get my sims to say use it

[finite token]

ya know fellas

i sent my gear screenshot and realized im stupid as fuck

forgot my 730 cloak and delve belt

[chilly fractal]

yea

[finite token]

didnt even cross my mind I was just so excited i remembered fury was fun

[undone flower]

it replaced my jastor, i can't be sad

[chilly fractal]

those are pretty big

[finite token]

also

HUGE shout to the guy who told me to use warbound bank

to transfer cheap 642 greens

just replaced all my shit gear by goin to area52

[chilly fractal]

prolly a crafted ring is the next on the list so we'll see how the next couple vaults turn out

[undone flower]

My vaults were meh, the gloves and the ring, good note is I still have my catalyst charge

So any random legs or chest in next reclear is mine

[chilly fractal]

yea I don't have one... but we get another next week so that's nice

[undone flower]

Yep, at least if I have to use on the vault, I’ll get this one for the reclear

[polar remnant]

incredible transmog

[undone flower]

i didn't find a suitable weapon yet

[polar remnant]

i love it 💚

[fading sky]

Simple shovel?

[chilly fractal]

TMNT weapons from Trading Post were all pretty fun

[fading sky]

Or a staf?

[undone flower]

Happywar don't fight with a shovel

[fading sky]

Ok tbh...

[chilly fractal]

staff mogs would go hard

[fading sky]

To me id take the biggest ass old school sword🤣

The paddle whats it called again?

[chilly fractal]

Logg from BFA

[hazy mural]

Double fyrakk

Considered staves tho

[chilly fractal]

double Fyrakk would be too serious

[undone flower]

nice ara kara 7 btw

[quasi fractal]

Your first mistake was inviting ret paladins

[undone flower]

the chess piece set is really cool i also use some parts

[quasi fractal]

Those guys dont have hands usually

[undone flower]

i invited plates for my war friend

[quasi fractal]

Worthy sacrifice

Give plates a lust so i can plate stack early

Thats some insane prot damage tho i play with quite a few and theyre rarely above the 3 million mark

[chilly fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-playing-drums-drum-sticks-drummer-headband-gif-26346021

Me when plate stacking

[edgy widget]

that's what drums are for

[quasi fractal]

Are drums still crazy expensive per drum

[chilly fractal]

define crazy expensive

1234g right now on NA

[young swan]

yeah they are stupidly expensive

i bought 40

[cedar bloom]

hi guys i just did a key and my dmg was horrible in a +5 dawn can anyone tell me what i did wrong? i had a fury with me that did double my dmg

[sudden tusk]

do you have 4p

[cedar bloom]

yes

[quasi fractal]

Call me crazy but i prefer to not spend 2500g per m+ run for something that should be free

[undone flower]

1169 in EU, it is stupid expensive

why it is so high, 100% a cartel monopolize the price

[quasi fractal]

It has had me consider actually doing professions multiple times

I will single handedly bring down the price on drums

[rose bay]

So thats why all my leather sells for so much

[sudden tusk]

do you have a log to look at or gear to compare to the other guy. just looking at your damage numbers if anything id say you are casting too many BTs

right now the Overwhelmed debuff you apply now works with your 4p set bonus on multiple targets

so you have a very high chance per raging blow cast if cleaved with the whirlwind buff active to cast a reap the storm from 4 set

[cedar bloom]

i dont have logs all i have is details of the other guy

i was trying not to overcap on rage mayeb thats why?

[sudden tusk]

here is my breakdown from a 17 dawns as an example

looks like you are just casting far too many BTs instead of hitting raging blow after you stack Overwhelmed on your targets from your bladestorm or reap procs

[cedar bloom]

so basically my number 1 prio is raging blow right?

[sudden tusk]

One way you should think about Fury currently is Rampage is how you keep yourself enraged

[cedar bloom]

his details looks more like yours

[sudden tusk]

RB is your #1 prio in aoe, you want to save bladestorm so you have it at the start of every pack to apply Overwhelmed

on singletarget bosses we play like normal

[hazy mural]

heres a 4 prio

[sudden tusk]

but in aoe RB is 100% our best button while we are still enraged

[hazy mural]

identical to madox lol

literally

[cedar bloom]

makes sense now!

[hazy mural]

weird

[sudden tusk]

in AoE basically the only time i cast execute is to make sure my bladestorm will be ready for the next pack

[quasi fractal]

Nvm this is blizzards fault thunderous drums are ridiculously expensive to craft

[cedar bloom]

so send bladestorm at the pack then spam rb

[sudden tusk]

otherwise its RB until i cant press it anymore or i lose enrage then i press ramp. then execute

[cedar bloom]

are you playing powerful enrage or frenzed?

[sudden tusk]

Bladestorm applies this debuff which is insanely important

because its how your 4p works

[sudden tusk]

frenzied enrage for the ST

[cedar bloom]

sorry i am very stupid thats why i tried to pick up an easy class

[sudden tusk]

to be fair this change is literally new THIS WEEK from an unnanounced change in how the 4p works

takes a while for info to spread and solidify

[quasi fractal]

Warriors zug together no need intelligence

[cedar bloom]

really thankful for you im glad im subbed to you

[sudden tusk]

[gusty glade]

Need some help. in aoe, with 4 stacks of WW , do you prioritize rampage if rage capped or still spend your RBs into rampage? Also, RBs over MFE 1 stack? Thanks in advance 🙂 trying to learn

[sudden tusk]

press raging blow until you are out of stacks or enrage is about to fall off

then you rampage. to get back more RB charges as well as to keep yourself enraged

[gusty glade]

So we dont care about over capping rage at this point? with AM talented that is.

[sudden tusk]

the prio would be

1. Keep yourself enraged
2. Keep up Whirlwind Stacks
   3.Raging Blow
3. Rampage
4. Execute
5. BT

this is ONLY for mass aoe

on bosses or singletarget you play normal prio

[gusty glade]

right. so even if we have 3 stacks of MFE this still holds ?

[sudden tusk]

the only time ill spend execute for MFE is if i want to get the additional Bladestorm CD so its ready for the next pack

[fading sky]

Id say send at 3 mfe/ 2mfe

[sudden tusk]

or ive run out of charges

[gusty glade]

gokkeeee ❤️

[sudden tusk]

in mass aoe sending at 3 stacks is still a damage loss

at least for my feelycraft

[fading sky]

Is it though?

[chilly fractal]

If it helps you get Bladestorm back for the start of the next pull I’ve been sending some executes

[fading sky]

I mean bladestorm also does great dmg?

[sudden tusk]

every RB is basically a 1mil Reap hit to everything vs a 5 target capped Execute that only gains bonus damage on the targetted mob/ bladestorm only does 2.1m dps comparitivly

you will be capped at 10 overwhelmed stacks

so bladestorm at that point is innecifient for damage

so unless the pack will live long enough to farm a second bladestorm you keep RBing

and hold BS for the next pack

[fading sky]

Guess key size truly matters

[chilly fractal]

Key size and the way the tank is pulling

[fading sky]

Chain pulling

[sudden tusk]

in lower keys you probably will execute more becuase the CDR will be ready pack to back

[gusty glade]

Alright, thanks guys @sudden tusk @fading sky

[fading sky]

Is the death of slager

[sudden tusk]

in higher keys you are garenteed through AM to have BS up every pack

[gusty glade]

Yea i was more concerned about 11+ keys

[fading sky]

Ye so low keys

Cdr more

[sudden tusk]

i prio higher keys, but weekly 10s execute to make sure BS is ready to go each pack is prob worth at 3 mfe

[gusty glade]

Like literally for example the first pull on Gambit.

[fading sky]

I did 12s and if i dont sd a lot no bladie

[naive latch]

I got kicked and replaced with a ww in a hoa13.

[chilly fractal]

In like 10s I’ve been considering running the other BS talent just to not even think about having to send Executes for the CDR to get Bladestorm back up

But I never bothered

[fading sky]

Keep in mind if 5 mobs left exe increasesbin value no?

[sudden tusk]

storm of steel?

[chilly fractal]

Yea

[gusty glade]

and on ST, prio Execute even with a single stack of MFE over RB when enraged?

[sudden tusk]

its an interensting choice but it will omega hamstring your ST

[fading sky]

St is st

Rotation is the same as raid

[chilly fractal]

Yea just in 10s is what I was thinking or lower

[sudden tusk]

the wowhead guide is best for ST rotation

[fading sky]

I spam rb until wa goes sd use it

😇

[sudden tusk]

weeee

brain hurty no think

[fading sky]

Yup

[gusty glade]

wa pops even on 1mfe

[sudden tusk]

ding=execute

[fading sky]

Always angry

[gusty glade]

yea

[fading sky]

And ding = sexecute

[sudden tusk]

WA only pops on 1 MFE if you are below 20% (which is correct) 2 stacks of Sudden Death, or 2 stacks of MFE

all of which are optimal

[gusty glade]

perfect

[fading sky]

Or if juggy droppin

Still dings in aoe at timee😅

Prob why i push at times🤣

Brain is so trained

[chilly fractal]

Muscle memory and shit is rough to kick

I had to completely move my BT keybind

[fading sky]

Monkey hear ding, monkey hitsn execute

Here comes mr, simcraft

[chilly fractal]

Swapped my Execute and BT keybinds for Slayer

[edgy widget]

the <20% part isn't actually optimal for multitarget anymore, but you do generally want to consume Marks on dying targets anyway, so it's a good guideline/reminder to snipe before the target dies and your stacks die with it

[fading sky]

We only get marks on main targetanr?

[edgy widget]

yes, Slayer's Strike always triggers on your primary target
the only way to spread them around is to change targets, though Executes does consume Marks from cleaved targets, so it's pretty hard to fuck up even if you are tabbing around a lot

[fading sky]

So many passive strikes

Window dressing abilities

I love em though😆

I do dislike sitting on 2 x sds

But i will try to ignore and just rb more

But just to be certain

[olive wraith]

When I was in dummies I did proc mfe on secondary targets

[fading sky]

Sd mfe stscks doenst spread overwhelm? Only main target?

[olive wraith]

That I don’t know

Only proced 3 mfe in secondary targets in 5 minutes

[fading sky]

It was more bladestorm often gets me to 5 stacks

[olive wraith]

Ya dummies had perma 10 stacks

[chilly fractal]

[fading sky]

So i send a sd and had 8

Then i just en spammed. But if that sd is for main target only ots waste

Prob bettrt to bt🤣

[tight roost]

Is there ever a case where tabbing to apply mfe in aoe is optimal?

[olive wraith]

Oh ya bt cleave is def better than relying on mfe stuff

[edgy widget]

no, Overwhelmed is only applied when Marks are consumed

[edgy widget]

not really

[chilly fractal]

I think it’s been over an hour since we had some gifs… I’m laying down so someone do me a solid here

[tight roost]

Thank god, i hate target switching to apply dots or the like

[edgy widget]

swapping frequently is generally bad as Fury anyway, because of Frenzy haste

[chilly fractal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1413197405561819256/reaptech.gif

[tight roost]

Yeah that was my assumption

[edgy widget]

keep in mind that Reap itself applies Overwhelmed though, so the basic idea is to use Bladestorm to get 5-8 stacks up all at once, and then let Reap procs finish stacking it; each proc will refresh the debuff, creating a self-perpetuating cycle

[fading sky]

Yeah i just tried to game system

System gamed me

[chilly fractal]

I am a big fan of the synergy

[edgy widget]

this is why it's kind of good to chain pull, even if you don't quite have Bladestorm off cooldown yet, because you can leverage Overwhelmed stacks on existing targets to trigger Reap (and Overwhelm) onto the new targets

[fading sky]

@gusty glade hi brotha btw

[edgy widget]

it's actually quite a nice little interactive loop now between Execute for Bladestorm CDR, Bladestorm for Overwhelmed, and Raging Blow for Reap

[fading sky]

Last tank loved chainin into 1 mob left

[chilly fractal]

Yea I’m a big fan

[fading sky]

Dislike ara kara!

So many small shitters ret farms em better

[chilly fractal]

Only thing I don’t like about AK is the big dudes that causes everything to take 50% reduced dam

[fading sky]

I 100% though they would remove that

Its good for us prio target killers though

[edgy widget]

chaining just one mob isn't as useful since Reap still needs Overwhelm on each target it hits, but in that situation, just focus more on Execute to try to get more Bladestorm CDR faster, and you can always Bloodthirst if RB isn't worth it yet

[quasi fractal]

should we still try to BT if its guaranteed crit or are we just ultra ignoring it unless nothing else is up to press

[fading sky]

Ignore

Place bt on ctrl + 10

[edgy widget]

no, both heroes ignore BT crit entirely w/ Season 3 tier

[chilly fractal]

There’s some Fresh Meat gamers out there

I think Critcake is running FM

[olive wraith]

Ye I like fresh meat

[fading sky]

Over 10% bt

Dmg?

[bright ledge]

[edgy widget]

you will still use Bloodthirst as Slayer though - if you don't have Overwhelmed applied and Bladestorm is still on cooldown, you should prioritize Execute and Bloodthirst until Bladestorm is available

[olive wraith]

It’s kinda nice. Bladestorm unhinged refreshing enrage

[edgy widget]

its part of my Odyn's Fury build, which he ran for at least a couple dungeons; you don't really need it with Deft Experience, but it's also not bad to have in general

[quasi fractal]

yeah i just go smf for the aa enrage chance

[edgy widget]

Improved Bloodthirst isn't much damage, especially in multitarget, but it is still damage
another option is to skip both and take Invigorating Fury for a better defensive CD

[quasi fractal]

rampaging is for chumps

[civic sphinx]

Hi guys, just a Little question, cause im prot Main: how much worse is single minded fury compared to Titans grip? Cause i have nice 1h and bad 2h. Is there something like a ilvl gap when it gets worth?

[edgy widget]

haven't checked in awhile, but it was around 5-8% w/ equal ilevel weapons in the past

[chilly fractal]

Also its position in the tree is… interesting

[edgy widget]

you need a pretty severe ilevel difference for SMF to be better, but you can always sim it yourself

I wanna say around 30+

[civic sphinx]

Ty, so i think i will Switch to Arms loot in the Next vaults 😄

[quasi fractal]

the fact that its in the tree and TG is innate is fairly ridiculous

[edgy widget]

always a good idea - just swap to Arms loot spec and never look back

[edgy widget]

well the ability to use 1h weapons is also passive - SMF just makes them better

[chilly fractal]

5% movement speed tho

Move so fast

[quasi fractal]

if you have 33% crit or whatever the number was its theoretically a constant enrage (ignore the fact that rampage isnt even a bad damage button)

[gusty glade]

they should just delete SMF at this point.

[quasi fractal]

i think smf should just be inherent

[sudden tusk]

id consider frenzy not dropping on target swap a rework at this point hehe

[bright ledge]

is there any punching bag in the AH that i can get or any easy one to farm

[quasi fractal]

and they can try to do whatever they want to buff it from there

[sudden tusk]

turnip punching bag prob

[verbal garden]

OK, what is the secret to slayer for AOE? My ST prio damage is great but I can't hand whatsoever in AOE in keys. I see the kind of damage others are doing and know I must be doing something wrong. Outside of prio of RB after BS or BT if if BS isn't available, is that it?

[bright ledge]

farm or AH?

[sudden tusk]

https://www.wowhead.com/quest=29944/leaders-among-breeders#comments:id=2856418

[quasi fractal]

mop my goat

[sudden tusk]

only one from AH that doesnt work in some places is the Barrel of Fireworks

[bright ledge]

thank you<3

[edgy widget]

I'll be honest with you though, the real reason SMF is a talent is to increase its opportunity cost

• no matter how much some people like the fantasy of it, SMF is not meant to be competitive. Doing so would put Fury Warriors in an awkward position of juggling incompatible weapon sets and just generally create extra balancing headaches when it comes to cantrip weapons and the like
• SMF was added to give diehards an avenue to use their favored thing, without negatively impacting everyone else. While that means they get the short end of the stick, it's just the lesser of two evils

[sudden tusk]

i use SMF for tmog runs

[gusty glade]

you dont press BT anymore in aoe unless you have nothing to press

[edgy widget]

not entirely true, see #fury message

[gusty glade]

Oh i see!

[verbal garden]

I thought you did for overwhelm stacks if BS isn't available. Is that not correct?

[chilly fractal]

Yea that’s what Archi linked

[sudden tusk]

yeah if you dont have BS like i talked about befoer BT is your only early Overwhelmed stack generator til you have enough to RB out some reaps

i should have clarified but i am eepy

[chilly fractal]

I’m eepy too

But I’m watching fucking Detective Conan

One day I’ll get through all these episodes

[verbal garden]

So, is the appropriate opener? Reck/Ava then charge?

[bright ledge]

you should use those in mid charge i believe

[hazy mural]

I stay back and wait for the tank to collect

Give like 10 - 20 seconds then charge in, reck / ava if don't need ava for root removal & bs

[dry talon]

Is there anyway to track overwhelmed on targets?

[bright ledge]

yes

ill send you WA in a secf

[urban wraith]

Can you send me that WA as well as

[dry talon]

No,your not special

[dry talon]

❤️

[urban wraith]

I am very special lol

[quasi fractal]

you guys think this changes soul hunters over to a slayer fight rather than a thane one? id imagine it does but its a cleave fight not a full on aoe one wowhead still has it as a thane fight but not sure how updated that is

[verbal garden]

I've noticed Noxiv and Crit don't do that. They charge WW-BT-ramp a few time then pop cds.

[bright ledge]

oh nvm i did it myself just go to /wa > new weak aura> premade aura >icon whoever size you want > debuffs > overwhelmed @dry talon @urban wraith

[urban wraith]

Thx. Mipp

[bright ledge]

no problem

[dry talon]

Ty

[bright ledge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1414136868899131502/reaptech.gif?ex=68be7916&is=68bd2796&hm=27233b819b8b219b1429aa8e73869da28e6c72d2af328b3ad783e2e602d02c6f&

[fiery tide]

after changes, 60% of the people are running slayer

[edgy widget]

yes but you don't really need to

• it usually shows up on nameplates by default
• you don't really care how many stacks there are; by the time you got 5+ stacks from Bloodthirst, Bladestorm would be off cooldown anyway. The simple guideline is to just prioritize BT before Bladestorm and RB after
• the debuff lasts 20s and Reap procs refresh it, so it will never fall off in any practical situations (by the time it does in the case of something like Soul Hunters, Bladestorm is likely to be back off CD anyway)

[sudden tusk]

both are still good for soul hunters

slayer is just less rng which i prefer

[edgy widget]

Slayer has less RNG, but it also doesn't get as many Reap procs vs only 3 targets
I also feel like Thane is more forgiving, since TClap/Blast has a greater range and isn't as sensitive to target swapping when one decides to fuck off somewhere

[rigid stirrup]

I love the fact that they're both viable options

guess its spinning the wheel to see which one I personally play

[edgy widget]

yeah, they both appear to perform fairly similar now, which is really nice

[earnest shuttle]

beat a frost dk 4 ilvls higher than me, life's good

[rustic anchor]

Thanks for this, I'll give Slayer another try, but I feel more comfortable with Thane and also less squishy

[rocky sequoia]

am i hurting my damage by taking both unbridled ferocity and depths of insanity

[sudden tusk]

for ST no for AOE we this was cooked up

[finite token]

with thane am i prioritizing bloodthirst?

[covert coyote]

yes

for TB procs

[dry talon]

Bt gives you insta 5 stacks?

[oblique thistle]

No focus in chaos

[sudden tusk]

when melee is 0.9% of my dam it can explode

[oblique thistle]

This may be a dumb question, but Does it have any impact on rage generation?

[smoky vale]

rage is cosmetic

if you are relying on melees for rage as fury

get help

[edgy widget]

no, read it again

[olive wraith]

No. If it procs reap it applies 1 overwhelm

[restive marsh]

Hi guys dumb question from Arms only player. How does Rampage Enrage you? I don't see a talent for it anywhere but I see it happening?

[edgy widget]

you forgot storm bolt

[sudden tusk]

stink bolt

tbh i just have been running my raid build in keys

i should have boltmus tbh

[oblique thistle]

Read rampage tooltip itself

[edgy widget]

I'm actually thinking of swapping to this for M+

• it's slightly (~1%) less ST dam, but picks up a few more interesting bonuses

[restive marsh]

Am I missing something?

[olive wraith]

“Enrages you”

First two words a

[restive marsh]

Oh my god

LOL

Sorry

Thanks

[edgy widget]

it's also explicitly laid out in the Enrage tooltip - Rampage always Enrages you

[olive wraith]

That made me genuinely chuckle

[sudden tusk]

hehexd

[restive marsh]

I was a strictly Arms only player but had to try out the new Reap the Storm memes

Super fun, not gonna lie

[cobalt relic]

the grind must go on

[earnest canyon]

What key level?

[cobalt relic]

17

[earnest canyon]

aaaaaah

well then 😛

[cobalt relic]

[earnest canyon]

i find 12 very very hectic, so cant imagine what 17 is like

[undone flower]

my hoa 16 is a 14 now 🙂

[brittle crow]

i have a 13 who wants to double fury it

[vestal owl]

Hey guys, quicksim doesnt reflect it, but do you guys drop ww and or overcap rage in higher aoe for "reap the storm" value?

[quasi fractal]

i think its always overcap rage since all the value for damage is on ww rb procs

as long as you're keeping up enrage that is but that probably goes without saying

[hoary agate]

Amen I'm taking the reduce cd kick and increase also

Doesn't impact kicks much

Was thinking about the reduce cd on ER too tbh or massacre for emergency getting blade storm back by fishing end of packs if I messed up

[olive wraith]

Massacre won’t help with that really. We get more than enough sd procs

10% hp difference isn’t a super huge window to work with either

[hoary agate]

Yeah it's only when you make a mistake and the next pack is small, the point is that 1 talent point is so minor in DPS you can pick something like ER it's hp and reduced cd, probably better than 0.1% DPS for a high key

Wait it's 3s more duration even so pretty nice

Topping g yourself 10% before incoming damage is pretty nice tbh

[olive wraith]

Ya massacre just hasn’t been good for so long

Definitely think the ER talent is an interesting choice though

[hoary agate]

Yea I think I will settle on er

This is what I've been running and flexing that massacre point alongside second wind into bitter immunity if I need a curse/poison dispell

The kicks you get with this and stops is big too

50 kicks last ara Kara lol and the stop reduce cd was big for pugs

Way more value over like 1% DPS as archi says

Just feel more safe with the reduce CDs on defensives and more kicks and stops

[olive wraith]

Bitter immunity is ass

3mins is a crime

[hoary agate]

Agreed but saved my ass on ara Kara many times when the feral refuses to dispell 🤣

Wait for like 3 stacks etc

[earnest canyon]

what was your pfp before DK?

[olive wraith]

Fuck it just iv/er to survive

[hoary agate]

Should be like a 1 minute talent or something, druid has a 10s dispell insane

[olive wraith]

If you don’t get cleansed that’s not your fault

Definitely not 3 damn mins. It’s ridiculous

[olive wraith]

Uhhhhhh. A manga panel

I think

[hoary agate]

It's not, but dying without taking it would be my fault on this dungeon tbh, over taking what? No other talent gives huge value that dungeon

[olive wraith]

You use it once? Twice ?

Only first wing is relevant right?

[hoary agate]

You die first pull it's usually gg and you can usually self dispell two sets last boss

[olive wraith]

I guess final boss too

[hoary agate]

As I said no other talent gives this value on that dungeon

Why it's called a flex talent

[olive wraith]

Meh. Idk still tbh

[hoary agate]

No other talent is greater or equal etc

Emergency heal too

Top yourself a little

[undone flower]

THANK GOD

[olive wraith]

Pog

[hoary agate]

Combo that with improved ER talent 30% hp into defense that last 3s longer you ain't dying

[steady sierra]

Whats the name of that wa

[bright ledge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1414136868899131502/reaptech.gif?ex=68be7916&is=68bd2796&hm=27233b819b8b219b1429aa8e73869da28e6c72d2af328b3ad783e2e602d02c6f&

[undone flower]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1413427310798831616/reaptech.gif

[olive wraith]

Die fdk

[hoary agate]

Gz pugs really struggling with this dungeon this season even tho they've see it a few times and it been nerfed

[bright ledge]

log

[hoary agate]

Took my a while to get my 15

[bright ledge]

:-)

[prime bane]

great numbers by all, what ilvl are you all?

[undone flower]

now the other "awful pug dungeon"

[olive wraith]

I’m struggling with my 14s rn. Been really unlucky with my groups this week

[prime bane]

priory was the one i did last night but only on a 10

dang 713

this was our priory last night, i know this aint a bm channel but the no multi build works fine honestly

[undone flower]

eheh priory

[edgy widget]

my pitch for Bitter Immunity is twofold

• let it affect Bleeds again (if Dwarf racial can on a 2m CD, it should on a 3m; maybe make them share CD or something for balance)
• if it doesn't remove an effect, refund 2/3 of the cooldown (allowing it to be a somewhat more viable self-heal)

[hoary agate]

Yea another one priory 17 - 16 - 15 into resi 14 for me last night 😭

[hoary agate]

Amen

[olive wraith]

Bitter really needs to do something else for a cursed 3mins

Or lower the damn thing

I hate it more than people hate smf

[edgy widget]

removing debuffs is good, it's jsut not frequent enough to make it worth the point

reducing the cd when it only heals without removing an effect would give it a lot more flexibility though

[undone flower]

my personal hate is storm of steel

[edgy widget]

I wouldn't mind buffing it further, such as increasing the amount healed, but I think that would require further opportunity cost - one idea I like is putting it on a choice node with Rally, since that would help justify a stronger personal cooldown

[olive wraith]

That’s brilliant

Raid/keys choice node

Kinda

[edgy widget]

more or less yeah - a small benefit for everyone vs a somewhat less small benefit for you

[hoary agate]

Yes either needs reduced cd or be way more op for a 3 min cd, 3 min cd it should dispell the whole party FFS 🤣

[edgy widget]

and if you do that, I think you can justify more interesting effects like... instead of a self-heal, maybe turn it into a pseudo-Ignore Pain to give you an on-demand absorption shield

[olive wraith]

Mass dispel would be kinda wild

Idk about that one

[edgy widget]

na, no way that's balanced and it infringes on other class/role mechanics, which is not a good thing

[hoary agate]

It means it's 3 minutes, 3 minutes are supposed to be huge

Or make it 5 and dispell whole party or make it 1-2 mins and buff it for self lol

[edgy widget]

warriors are not getting an external dispel, much less a party wide one - full stop

[hoary agate]

Either way it's well undertuned for a 3 min cd

[edgy widget]

put that idea to bed right now, it's never going to happen

[olive wraith]

[hoary agate]

It's not thematic I guess, true. But after rally nerf we don't do much for the party either over some other DPS that can

[quasi fractal]

What if they reworked it into some type of banner that made the party take less damage 🤔 (i miss banners)

[edgy widget]

it's not necessarily supposed to be strong because it's 3m, the reason the CD is 3m is because they don't want to invalidate other class/role mechanics

• they don't want Warriors to just be able to dispel themselves every 30s without any external help, since that invalidates a core gameplay mechanic for other classes
• it could be a 100% heal to justify the CD, but they certainly aren't just going to give Warriors 2x health bars in PvP without severely reducing their survivability elsewhere

[hoary agate]

Dps druid with a 10s dispell

Should be 2 mins for non heal spec by that logic

[edgy widget]

Druids aren't Warriors

[olive wraith]

That’s just poison no?

[hoary agate]

They are not, but still a DPS class having something like that seems imbalanced and perhaps invalidates a healer poison dispell by his logic

[edgy widget]

it doesn't really matter, you're looking for equality in something that is specifically not designed to be equal in the first place

and you'll notice I didn't say "healer" I said "other class/role" mechanics

[hoary agate]

Yeah it's always my dream of balancing classes so they are least have some kind of balance to utility, they seem to have done a half decent job at DPS this tier

[edgy widget]

Druids have certain things that they are able to do, Preists have certain things they are able to do, and so on

[hoary agate]

And what do warriors do?

[edgy widget]

complain

[hoary agate]

Shout and everyone still dies kekw

[edgy widget]

Warriors have plenty of things, but I'm not really going to get into a debate about it right now

[hoary agate]

We didn't close our class discord kekw dispite having giga utility

[edgy widget]

yeah because I'm not fucking child

throwin a fit because I got sat for prog

[olive wraith]

Utility isn’t the end all holy grail

[hoary agate]

Utility is massive for m+

[edgy widget]

damage is massive, utility is secondary

[olive wraith]

Aug has massive utility

[quasi fractal]

Gcd for utility 🤢 Gcd for damage 🤩

[olive wraith]

Ya fuck wasting gcds

Let me zug

[hoary agate]

True but some classes have both

[edgy widget]

Warriors have utility, they just don't really have particularly unique or necessary utility; the stuff they have is either common (lots of stuns in a landscape where everyone has stuns) or useless (slows/fearbreaker in a setting that doesn't feature runners, kiting, or fears)

[hoary agate]

Legit people untalenting rally start of season says a lot too

[edgy widget]

yeah because I told them to xD

[olive wraith]

That’s also a baller raid buff though

[edgy widget]

anyway, I'm not getting sucked into another divergent conversation - this has already been talked to death over and over and over and over and over again - the same conversation just repeats itself and I don't really wanna rehash it again

[olive wraith]

It is weird it doesn’t get the (%better outside of raid)

[edgy widget]

hence: put BI on a choice node with it to justify some boofs!

[olive wraith]

Hell ya

[hoary agate]

Yea I know what you mean archimtiros. Maybe some ideas come up though and constructive good suggestions can be made visible to blizz without shutting down the discord kekw

[olive wraith]

Give me that reworked bitter

[edgy widget]

yes, they can - which is why I don't shut down the discord when I'm unhappy about something

but your idea, I'm sorry to say, simply ain't going to happen

[olive wraith]

That’s a bitch move. That discord dude is gonna be a meme for a hot second

[hoary agate]

Yeah agreed on that but you can dream, get challenged and fine tune ideas into something more appropriate thematically and without being op by suggesting some wild stuff occasionally

Btw whoever is doing the wowhead click bait ATM needs a raise

[quasi fractal]

I think if they gave us a talent node for BL and made rally better outside of raid we'd be light years better utility wise without really gaining too much power compared to other classes.

[olive wraith]

People want uncapped damage. I would prefer real funnel

[chrome wind]

Can someone who looks deeply into guides tell me if maxroll fury guide is correct overall? seems that they are not uploading nothing

[hoary agate]

Honestly give this person a raise

[olive wraith]

We don’t need lust

[chrome wind]

https://maxroll.gg/wow/class-guides/fury-warrior-raid-guide#gear-header

[edgy widget]

it's a lil out of date, I believe Revvez is on a well deserved break after RWF

it's not horrible or anything, but it doesn't have some of the latest nuance, like trinket tuning or the new Reap changes

[hoary agate]

Wouldn't use maxroll it's not updated that often and usually just a copy past of others work anyway

[quasi fractal]

Yeah but i want it

🙂

[hoary agate]

JD do you take drums?

I'm always got drums, when the BL presses too early and it's on cd comes in clutch if your not packing drums you can't ask for lust imo

[quasi fractal]

We talked about this earlier im not dropping 2.5k gold a run for an ass lust

[edgy widget]

first half maybe, but I wouldn't go so far as to claim the second half; I know Revvez well enough to be confident in his authenticity

[hoary agate]

I mean the plan is never to press it, just emergency just like carrying cables

[quasi fractal]

Maybe if they werent way too expensive because blizz made the recipe ridiculous

[olive wraith]

Cables are goated

I’m surprised more don’t use them

[chrome wind]

Tyvm, my rl just yelled at me when I rolled bis on the first trinket

[edgy widget]

it's def worth for Warriors

[hoary agate]

Why they yell? It's a top trinket for us?

Only others are vault rng, a trinket that 20 people want or last boss lol

[edgy widget]

so if it were on a choice node, I like the idea of kind of "focusing" Rally onto yourself; something like...

• add bleed removal (inflict shared cooldown w/ Stoneform to prevent both from being used in unison)
• remove the 20% heal, replace it with damage absorption equal to 25% of your health for a X-seconds
• if a debuff is removed, also heal for 25% or something (idea being to offset the last tick of damage or so)
  just makes it a little more versatile than a self-heal in a class that already has a decent amount of on-demand self-healing. Making it an aborb shield kind of echoes the functionality of Rally, but condensed onto yourself instead of spread among the party

[fiery tide]

wait since when was arcanocore recommended over antenna?

[olive wraith]

Idk if it’s just me but bleeds feel fairly common in a lot of keys they choose. I would love a bleed cleanse

[smoky vale]

play dwarf

or evoker

[olive wraith]

Absorb reminds me of the thane talent

[edgy widget]

kinda the whole point is you shouldn't have to

[olive wraith]

I would but I don’t wanna pay for race swap

[smoky vale]

well warrior sucks

[hoary agate]

Dwarf potion when for m+? 😁

[smoky vale]

and in most cases

[edgy widget]

that's exactly why they took bleeds off of it in DFS1, because bleeds were super common
except they left Dwarf racial alone, for no apparent reason

[hoary agate]

Meld potion exists

[smoky vale]

if you arent walling big bleeds

you die anyways

as a plate class you are the last one who should be dying to one

er

[olive wraith]

Ya I think i was watching mdi Df 1 and a lot of people were running dwarf

[smoky vale]

archi hi

[edgy widget]

[olive wraith]

We are very tanky. But cleansing ourselves also means we can save defensive for unavoidable damage

And ease healer stress

[smoky vale]

i mean

a bleed is unavoidable

[edgy widget]

that's kinda what its made for, it's not supposed to make you completely self-sufficient anytime a debuff is applied

[olive wraith]

I mean ya

[smoky vale]

also in most cases where packs have bleeds you mostly likely do not need them for anything else in the pack

or like in last boss of streets and negate the bleeds entirely

[olive wraith]

What was that trog dungeon

[edgy widget]

but again, if Dorf racial can exist on a 2m cd, I don't see any reason BI can't remove bleeds on a 3m

• just always make them go on a shared CD, like human racial and PvP trinket

[smoky vale]

uldaman

[olive wraith]

Ye wasn’t there some nasty bleeds on the trash with those big dudes

[smoky vale]

human and pvp share cd?

[olive wraith]

Yes

[edgy widget]

yeah because they don't want you busting out of back to back stuns

[hoary agate]

Why is there a lot of humans, do they take a diff trinket for DPS then?

[olive wraith]

I don’t PvP I can only assume that’s why

[smoky vale]

im not disagreeing about making bi bleed cleanse, i just think the fact that it doesnt isnt a big deal

just press wall and blame healer after

[hoary agate]

Bleeds are usually some of the hardest things to heal in keys, dwarf is insane for those keys so would bi bleed cleanse

[olive wraith]

Wall?

[smoky vale]

defensive

[olive wraith]

Gotcha

[hoary agate]

Like imagine hunter with dwarf, pre turtle into dwarf avoid two bleeds and still have 2 charges of wall remaining

[smoky vale]

like in ws last season doing 6 dogs on a 20 you will just instantly evaporate without soemthing rolling

sure but the difference hunters have less hp and armor

[olive wraith]

Those dogs were nuts

[smoky vale]

we have iv dstance er 10% perma dr

bi

hunter has exhil turtle si

[devout totem]

uldaman 2nd boss was insane with the bleed too

[smoky vale]

its not even comparable

[devout totem]

non dwarf were fucked in high keys

[hoary agate]

Note dwarf kekw

[olive wraith]

We could reflect the bleed right?

[devout totem]

ye

[olive wraith]

Or am I thinking of a different spell

[devout totem]

but timing was random 😭

[olive wraith]

Ye

It was like tot shaman boss

Getting those reflects felt so juicy

[hoary agate]

Reflects feel so good when you use it, cast gets kicked and then the next bolt murders you 🤣

[olive wraith]

Nah trash reflects are okay and all

But those huge boss mechanics

[hoary agate]

People legit kick more when they see reflect up a over your head k swear

[olive wraith]

Chefs kiss

[tardy hedge]

Hey guyz do u stack 3x marked for execution before using execute ?

or 2 is enough

[olive wraith]

Oh! And the naga with the heal absorb in tot

[smoky vale]

2

[edgy widget]

IMO its more about breaking the dwarf stranglehold than something that necessarily needs to be there to save the talent

[olive wraith]

Get the wa. It does it for you

[tardy hedge]

i did get the one from this dc but it just start growingat 3 stacks 😄 thats why i m askin

if its better to execute at 2 or 3 alwaysd

[hoary agate]

Since they acknowledged the issue with meld, racials should just not impact the game remove them for m+ imo let us pick the race we like tbh

[olive wraith]

I’m hoping with shadowmeld pot they’ll continue to make racials less of a locked thing

[olive wraith]

Do you have the s3 one?

[hoary agate]

Still on void elf because DPS high and mugzee prog it was gg

[olive wraith]

2mfe, 2 stacks of sd, or AJ about to expire =the exe conditions

[smoky vale]

I guess the dwarf stranglehold hasnt been that bad the this and the past m+ season so i dont feel it

[tardy hedge]

whats aj

[hoary agate]

Jugger

[tardy hedge]

so even if i have 2 sd i shoulg execute? even tho i dont have 2 marks?

[hoary agate]

Get the weakaura and press when it goes kaching much easier than thinking

[tardy hedge]

can u gime link for that wa? 😄

[hoary agate]

https://wago.io/r8u4tHLRQ

[tardy hedge]

ty

[hoary agate]

There's a few think crit uses this one for example

[smoky vale]

TURBOTOPCONE

[hoary agate]

But yea still learn to understand the rotation is good but this wa helps alot

[edgy widget]

it waxes and wanes with how many important bleeds there are

[edgy widget]

they're not removing racials completely; they're a core part of the RPG-theme of WoW, which is first and foremost an RPG, not an uber competitive esport

no matter how much some people wish it were

[hoary agate]

They shouldn't no in general but m+ I think there needs options like meld pot, having a dispell pot on a 5m shared cd with a DPS pot would be nice and doable

[edgy widget]

that said, they did say that they were going to be addressing racials at some point in the future, most likely 12.0, specifically citing the imbalance for certain roles (like tanks)

[hardy bluff]

i think racials are fine, if you need a specific race to time the highest keys thats okay

[edgy widget]

we're talking more about the utility effects, than the damage ones

[hoary agate]

Yeah legit 1 bleed dispell could save your key, same as a meld skip or melding agro to not die at a crucial time

Id gladly give up a DPS pot for that

Not ideal losing dps but better than dying or paying 20 bux for a race change and dealing with dwarf mogs

Like that tree boss manor, going out to get PvP trinket or being human insane

[undone flower]

PRIORY 15 LETS GOOOOO

[prime bane]

warrior beat me

lol

not by a ton tho

[hoary agate]

Combination of racial and dungeon design flaws imo need better thought out mechanics that don't require cheese from racial, PvP trinkets or remember that poison dispell for worm boss? There was an item they hotfix meanwhile people already timed big keys with it

[undone flower]

my boss damage is outrageous compared to other dps

[prime bane]

yeah he was passing me on bosses

[undone flower]

second boss of priory

[prime bane]

i was passing him on packs

[hoary agate]

Yup boss dam we eating food rn

Makes keys so easier for hard bosses

Idk what the dk and mm are doing if you're beating them 🤣

On packs

[olive wraith]

Good lord. Look at that beautiful boss damage

[prime bane]

oh my bad

[undone flower]

and the last, idk what happens with the others

[prime bane]

i beat him on last boss of ara kara

[undone flower]

it seems "low" 3.2m

[hardy bluff]

beating melees when you lose 0 uptime holy

[hoary agate]

Looking at that DK, I would say all around they are not pressing buttons correctly lol

[prime bane]

it wasn't a brag

[undone flower]

I am bragging

[hallow sphinx]

GG @sudden tusk

goober

[prime bane]

and a perfectly timed jump could have kept him from losing uptime on last boss of ara kara

[sudden tusk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1414136868899131502/reaptech.gif

[hoary agate]

@edgy widget since alot of discussion about utility and such, do you have your list of top 3/5 wants/needs for warrior with the incoming expansion in mind?

[ornate gust]

Lust and we will be happy 😃

[hoary agate]

No

[ornate gust]

[olive wraith]

Screw lust

[rustic anchor]

As a fury, I'd like to share my Recklesness to party members at 25% of its value when it procs and also when I use it

[olive wraith]

Give us something different

[edgy widget]

Lust would be the most boring do nothing addition

[hoary agate]

Just make drums same as lust and cables Res from range in m+

[edgy widget]

I have several, but it’s well past time

[hoary agate]

O7

[ornate gust]

I’m not into something fun if it will not increase the probability of having a warrior in a group.

[edgy widget]

Damage isn’t utility, it’s just damage packaged with a different bow

[lament drift]

ANy advice for the use of idol trinket with Avatar as it is a channel trinket ?

[olive wraith]

Cast it mid charge

[lament drift]

Ok so I macro with avatar and just repress macro when in melee

[remote bobcat]

did he not leap out last second like hes supposed to?

[olive wraith]

Do you have everything macrod together?

[lament drift]

just trinket and Avatar

[glacial flicker]

hey guys which other race than night elf might be good for fury ?

[olive wraith]

Racials don’t make a huge difference. Pick one you like the look of, or pick one that has a fun little effect

[prime bane]

negative

method.gg will tell you the best min/max racials but you are gonna be sad when you can pick between like 4 races

[olive wraith]

You can also sim all the racials

[remote bobcat]

..just go on bloodmallet for that bro

[radiant plank]

just go on warbreaker simc excel sheet for that bro...

[prime bane]

no matter what you go on

it limits the races

it aint fun

[gleaming siren]

Just feelycraft it bro...

[radiant plank]

Velf...

Mechagnome...

Tauren...

[lilac kettle]

Nelf cuz meld on pull to mitigate "Charge->WW->Release Spirit"

[olive wraith]

There’s a Reddit thread that has a convo debating if fury is a burst class

[hoary agate]

https://pastebin.com/raw/wWbxFY9A

Poor vulpera like 40k DPS loss 🤣

[fading sky]

Also void elf

[olive wraith]

Oh no 40k out of 5mil

[fading sky]

But tbh if u dont care bout looks

Dwarfs always solid

[prime bane]

and humans are pretty much good for anything

[olive wraith]

Rip the rep boost

[prime bane]

i'm confused why velves is considered the best for fury tho

[olive wraith]

Best in what way

[prime bane]

they 'were' ranked the highest

idk if they are now

[fading sky]

Well more dmg

Such is sim

And then u get a portal no?

[mossy fox]

more dam is more dam

[fading sky]

Night elf tax

Worth it

Currently playin dracthyr, not worth it

[olive wraith]

Idk if I’ve ever seen someone use velf portal

I’m human

Rolled for rep/stats

[fading sky]

Fights in lou

[olive wraith]

Oh? I don’t raid much but that’s cool if there was tech

[fading sky]

But real q is

Midnight

With squish, we mechagnoam?

[vivid moat]

Void elf is best looking and best dmg, win/win easy

warriors are blessed

[strong ridge]

armor looks ass on void elves though

[fading sky]

Worst is tauren

[olive wraith]

I like how big Tauren are

But ya some armor looks goofy

[prime bane]

i don't like big ones

that sounded wrong

[strong ridge]

best is orc human and nelf models

[vivid moat]

Some of shoulders maybe, but thats about it

[prime bane]

but i'm a mag'har orc and i hate it for getting out of the way of things. technically shouldn't matter but my vision is odd

[fading sky]

It matters

[olive wraith]

Human/elf models are pretty similar

[fading sky]

Tauren has shitty swings as well

[olive wraith]

So I think they use them as like base models

Orc/troll have weird postures

Undead too

[fading sky]

Id wish ud got a rework

[prime bane]

i have to make my orcs stand upright

[fading sky]

New racial and a looks upgrade

[prime bane]

as it hurts my back irl

[fading sky]

That u can?

[prime bane]

yes at barber

or character creation

[fading sky]

Nwn🤣

[prime bane]

yeah you had lost me

[fading sky]

Read is as u complained u couldnt

🤣

Yes orcs need to standup straight

[prime bane]

i think most hardcore horde from the start disagree

[fading sky]

I mean ive played since tbc

Alliance by heart

Horde coz u had 2

[prime bane]

i've always played horde mostly

except when i mained a prot pally female dwarf back when they were the ugliest things ever

i was unique

lol

[vivid moat]

Imagine if warrior had spellbreaker hero spec and hard elves would go with it

[undone flower]

OOF

[mossy fox]

timed is timed

[remote bobcat]

critty cakey do you enjoy the spin

[mossy fox]

yeye

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